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What's Not To Like About New iPad?
Hugh Pickens writes "With 3 million sold over the last week what's not to like about the new iPad? Michelle Maltais at the LA Times does a good job of putting together a compendium of gripes about the new device, justified or otherwise. Most people thought that Siri on the new iPad was a gimme; instead it has a scaled back version — dictation. 'If you want Siri, buy an iPhone. Plain and simple.' The new iPad is a little heavier than the iPad 2, thanks to the better graphics processor and more powerful battery. At one-tenth of a pound heavier that really doesn't sound like much, but it can start to matter if you hold your iPad in one hand for long periods or have any kind of repetitive stress injury. Apps designed for Retina display can be up to five times bigger and it's not just a problem for owners of the new iPad. Legacy owners of the original and iPad 2 who have these apps get to feel the pain too, since updates aren't device specific." The list continues, below.
"The hot-selling device can reach up to 116 degrees during intensive use, according to a test by the Consumer Reports. PCWorld tested 43 tablets and found that the third-gen iPad takes the longest — almost six hours — to fully recharge its battery. You'll love the blistering speed of the 4G iPad, you won't love blowing through your monthly data allotment in just 24 hours if you use streaming video. A number of customers have been complaining on the Apple Support page about a weaker Wi-Fi connection that in some cases will hold a connection for only a few minutes. And last, whatever you do, don't drop the new iPad. From waist height, the damage to the third-gen iPad is fairly extensive. 'Only a small portion of the screen survived.'"
It's not just for Android any more!
And with Steve Jobs out of the picture, it will get worse!
I use an android tablet you fool!
We make drama where there is none.
Everything is amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r1CZTLk-Gk
Of course, the next yet-to-be announced version of Android, running on the next yet-to-be announced tablet, will solve all of these problems.
Isn't that how it works?
That is all.
At one-tenth of a pound heavier that really doesn't sound like much, but it can start to matter if you hold your iPad in one hand for long periods or have any kind of repetitive stress injury.
I'm shocked at how physically inept modern people are becoming. The gnashing of teeth over ounces when it comes to gadgets is truly shocking to me. How does one become so incapacitated that an ounce or two is really worth mentioning?
I don't respond to AC's.
Way too many stories about things that don't matter...
Every great new feature has a potential con. If you don't have an iPad, it's a great iPad. If you have an original iPad, it's a good upgrade. If you have the iPad 2, you're probably okay holding on to it until the next generation.
The best part about the new iPad is that the previous versions have gotten cheaper. So if you really want a iPad 2, you can pickup a refurb from Apple for as low as $350 (or $400 new) which makes it more competitive with some of the Android tablets out there.
Note: I am not a tablet user.
I have one, the charge times are quite slow. To be honest, too slow. Don't get me wrong, you can live with it, but it does also matter in some situations. And on top of that if you decide to just use your buddies' iPhone charger instead of the included one, you could charge it all through the work day and only pick up 25% charge or something. With the iPad 2, the iPhone charger was an acceptable back-up plan to the stock charger in a pinch. Unless your battery was almost completely dead the iPad 2 would charge completely off an iPhone charger overnight.
The weight isn't really any different, the reason it's so uncomfortable to hold for long periods is the same as any other iPad, there's simply no good way to hold it without blocking or touching the screen.
The drop situation is the same for all iPads, even if you drop tested an older one and got different results, you just got lucky on the old one. The screen is a huge expanse of glass on any iPad, you have to be careful.
WiFi has been the same on the iPad 3 as the 2. I even used mine side by side with a 2 for a bit and the results were the same.
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It strikes me that this is just par for the course for most Apple releases.
iPhone 3GS, iPad 1 -- both of mine had wifi problems until software updates came out.
iPhone 4 -- antennagate -- appeared totally fine by the time I got my 4 in March of 2011.
iPhone 4s -- batterygate -- greatly improved in 5.01 and mostly fixed by 5.1.
Overall, it seems like there's about 6 months after a device's release that Apple releases a serious of fixes to fix or mitigate some deficiency and that by that time the device is largely as good as it will get.
I just wish they would add bluetooth profiles to the iPad for microphone headsets and mice, although the latter I only want with RDP apps, although I think it might be handy if you were using a full-screen editor, too.
It kind of makes me wonder why no one has made a BT mouse adapter that plugs into the microphone port or the dock connector. With an open SDK, vendors who wanted mouse capabilities could add support for the hardware.
I loathe people who refer to it as "iPad", and not as "an iPad" or "the iPad".
It's a machine, not a person. Do you anthropomorphise your kettle?
It's fast, amazingly beautiful (old pictures look much better), so convenient to have all (compatible) apps automatically copied to the new iPad from my iPhone.
Just disappointed that the iPhone HDR is not included (??) with the new ipad camera and I don't care about Siri (the dictation option is available, i'm happy with that)
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
It doesn't even matter if it runs on iOS, Android or whatever. My brother actually bought into the hype and got himself a Galaxy Tab but had to sell it after about 3 months because he wasn't using it for anything other than occasional web browsing. The 'cool' factor wears off very quickly. Netbooks were better. At least those were still 'real' computers.
It's not an Android.
That's funny. My iPad 1 takes a fucking year to charge.
Mod me down, my New Earth Global Warmingist friends!
I know it has bugs in the LTE connection. It's conked out before, and I even had the WiFi connection disappear after I turned LTE off (to save power). Going to airplane mode and back fixed all the problems, at least for now.
Also, the bars in LTE mode don't make much sense, or at least aren't what you're used to. With 5 bars I get 30mbps down, with 1 I get 24mpbs down. We've been trained from 3G that 1 bar is a lot slower than 5, so they should rescale the bars so that when you are at half speed or less you get 1 bar.
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What's not to like: it's an iPad.
Apple's pricetag, Apple's walled guarden, Apple fanboys, Apple's arbitrary rules, Apple's $100 pricetag to make apps for your own private use...
The battery Watt/hours doubled as a consequence. So, it's a touch heavier. This are minor complaints being turned into mountains because there is essentially little else about which to complain.
This is like bitching that a sports car uses more fuel than an economy car.
Taking a long time to charge means that it must have a really big freaking battery. Apple says you can get 10 hours of use out of the thing. That's pretty good considering how fast the processor, and how good the resolution on that screen is. It take 2 hours to charge my cell phone, and it probably doesn't even have 1/10 the amount of battery as the iPad.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
That latest South Park episode which castigates home shopping channels that sell worthless jewellery at high prices to old people?
I would argue that Apple does exactly the same with its iPads. Sure, it has to improve the technique to sell to people who are mentally sharper, but the result is the same.
Libertarianism at work.
... justify to everyone else that the new product is actually worse than the previous iteration. (I own an iPad 2 so this works for me!)
Can't have cake and eat too is a missing feature. Time machine still just a horribly misleading feature only available on Macs. While holding and looking in mirror, I still see a nerd staring back.
the fact that the manufacturing process has involved two plant explosions that have crippled or killed at least a dozen people. the past suicides and slave labor practices have also prevented me from buying apple products in general.
no user servicable battery, but thats a non-issue for most mac fans so ill leave it be. its also a first-world problem unrelated to my original assertion
Fruit ninja for the first world comes at the expense of grinding poverty and human misery. Its not part of the economic model generally.
Good people go to bed earlier.
Don't you sleep?
That's when my iPad's charge. I lay down at 12, 1, or 2AM, plug it in, pass out, and when I wake up it's charged and if it took an hour or six to charge I give no fucks. It's charged.
As a rock-in-roll Physicist once said, No matter where you go, there you are.
They used the exact same super easy to break digitizer glass.
They really need to go back to the 2X thicker ipad 1 glass. The ipad 2 is incredibly delicate due to the much thinner glass. In fact you can feel it flex while using the ipad 2.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
My iPad 1 takes a fucking year to charge.
Is this one of those biblical things where a day is a year?
It is so rare that I buy any device (or even furniture, for that matter) which is perfect that I'm surprised when I buy something, anything, which I have absolutely no "Had they...", or "They should have..." comments. I read the article before it was posted here. It's just another bit of "journalism" to fill some space. As I look around my home, there are few things I can not come up with some complaint about, no matter how small. I bought an iPad 2 but read about the "next" iPad a day later and the prediction of a better display. So - I called Apple and cancelled the order. It was too late. BUT - They paid for return shipping and refunded my money. When this iPad came out I pre-ordered. So many of my friends with an iPad liked them so much I was pretty convinced I'd like it and I do. The stuff in the article is what it is. You can't please everyone all of the time. Me? No problems. WiFi - Works fine. Charges up fine. It does everything I *expect* it to do, and does it well. It may not be *perfect*, but there are few things in my life which I have bought that were *perfect*, and being in my 60's that's saying something.
What is a good android tablet? take consideration of price and useability. I'm serious btw
It's made by Apple, and has iOS on it. Are people not allowed to dislike these things for the aesthetic reasons, while other people like it for aesthetic reasons?
Hello, human. What's not to like about human?
They're referring to it by its genre, not anthropomorphizing it.
If they're doing anything, they're just making it into a concept or a group noun.
What's not to like about hockey? What's not to like about money? What's not to like about being tall?
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I bought a ipad 2 just a few days ago. Nothing on the ipad 3 could justify the higher price point to me. Plus I was able to get a like new one used from a guy on craigs list trying to raise money for the new ipad. $250.00 for a 32 gig not 3g was a fair price, and a lot cheaper than a ipad3 that has marginal improvements.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
It's got a 43Wh battery, that's nearly twice the capacity of the iPad 2, and about 1.5 times the capacity of the 11" MacBook Air.
Display, Processor, Chips, Battery, ...But hey, It has an Apple logo!
I'm not interested in a computer that can't compile. I deal with it on my iPhone because it's a phone ( but it's really a computer that's faster than my 10yo box), but I'm not going to buy a Mac and a $99 development license just to make a simple RPG assistant (I've been making them with JavaScript as a result; at least they didn't strip all programs that can interpret code).
a DRM'd POS w/no SDHC or USB? yep, that's not to like
IThe weight isn't really any different, the reason it's so uncomfortable to hold for long periods is the same as any other iPad, there's simply no good way to hold it without blocking or touching the screen.
hold it.... you know... by the back.. in your palm.... just saying...
its a two handed device.
and 1/2 the power the battery my laptop has and it operates for 8 hours on a charge and takes 2 hours to fully charge while using it.
Don't you sleep? That's when my iPad's charge. I lay down at 12, 1, or 2AM, plug it in, pass out, and when I wake up it's charged and if it took an hour or six to charge I give no fucks. It's charged.
But that won't work for me - I like to play Infinity Blade II while I sleep.
#DeleteChrome
He's a virgin, so doesn't really know what a "fucking year" is.
40M+ iPad 2 buyers disagree with you.
...and 40M+ iPad 2 buyers are wrong in my opinion.
For me, spending money on an iPad is a waste of money - I have no real need for it. I'd like to have one, but when I think of it, it's just a gadget - an uncessary purchase.
Or think of it this way: the iPad is just another glizty gadget for people to waste their hard earned money in this consumer oriented economy.
And people wonder our savings rate is so low.
The other day, I talked a young woman out of buying an iPhone - I think. I asked her, "Why do you really need it." She just wanted a smart phone, especailly an iPhone because it's a fashion accessory.
Gone the wrist watch; enter the smart phone.
P.S. My wife and I are living on less than $60K/year, got a mortage and we're banking $1K/month - after retirement contributions. And we don't spend money on crap like the this.
Just saying.
"Taking a long time to charge means that it must have a really big freaking battery."
What it really means is that Apple has hit the limit for the amount of current they can put through their proprietary connector. They've already exceeded the spec for what's allowed through the USB end of their cables. A lithium based battery should be able to be fully charged within 2 hours, absent such external constraints.
"National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
The lack of Siri seems a bit annoying. Perhaps many people wouldn't use those features on it anyways, but it just rubs me the wrong way when manufacturers remove functionality they already have and could easily have included in order to segment the market or make sure people buy one of everything. For that matter removing features from cheaper models is somewhat reasonable, but the iPad is a premium product with a premium price.
No Visual Studio, no MSN messenger, no high-end DX11 games. That's what I use my computer for. Everything else is useless.
and 1/2 the power the battery my laptop has and it operates for 8 hours on a charge and takes 2 hours to fully charge while using it.
Using a 3 pound 'brick'.
Physics, folks. It runs your life.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Does anyone else think apple were a little premature to name it a retina display (in the same way my platinum card is made of platinum) and what is the likelyhood of them suing the company first to market with a real retina display. Piss taking f***s. But apparently appropriation is the american way.
My iPad 1 takes a fucking year to charge.
Is this one of those biblical things where a day is a year?
If we go "by the book", hours could seem like days.
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The new shiny still doesn't deliver on the basics and the obviouses. Scaled back siri? Really? Why? It's such a simple mechanism right? The processing for it is actually being handled elsewhere isn't it? A central processing network? What's "not ready for new iPad" about it? This rather reminds me of the first iPhone not having copy and paste.
And really. Why no sdhc card support? So they can sell you the same 'upgrade' from 32GB to 64GB for a bunch more money? I'm pretty sure that's why... that and we need to be able to donate our old iPads to charity so we can feel good about not putting them directly into a landfill when we buy the new ones. Seriously, the failure of Apple to include expandability and replaceable parts is so environmentally unfriendly it's sad. People want to be able to change their battieries and upgrade their memory. Why doesn't Apple deliver on that? I think I know why...
Even the average joe is getting a little tired of it all when everyone with an Android device can do all of those things and more.
I hate to say it... (I know you probably think I love to say it but I don't) but without Steve Jobs the mystical cool-maker who died and went to starbucks, Apple just can't live long as we know it.
But here's what I want and I'm pretty sure I'm not going to get it:
More focus on workstations like MacPro. Those are some REALLY nice machines. Built for lots of hard drive space and lots of RAM. Interally, a JOY to work on and externally a joy to look at. And the power? They got some good guts in them. I don't have much room in my life for Mac OS X... I've tried, I really have. I support Mac users and I know my way around the OS and most of the really cool hacks. I'd rather just use Linux... but at least I can run some "mainstream" apps on Mac OS X like MS Office and such if I really needed to... I think that abomination of a "Portable Document Format" application which every PDF supporting application should be able to read and write is about the only thing that isn't really duplicated in the F/OSS world in some way.
I've written all this drivel for no good reason -- it's stupid to reply to it or even mod it. I'm just sick of Apple's crappy consumer/entertainment stuff getting headlines when every update is just kind of incremental and it is obvious they are just holding back to keep milking the gadget lust from all those brainless people out there with more dollars than sense.
Apple can do a LOT better than this. It's sickening and disappointing.
When I'm holding it vertically, like in bed, I can't just palm it. I have to use two hands to hold it.
And if I use two hands to hold it, do I just use my third hand to tap the screen to use it?
This all could be solved with a small ridge or dent on the back, so there is a smaller feature I can span to grip it one handed. The same principle as a handle, just more integrated.
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Obviously, any app can be cracked manually, with enough time invested into it, but is there any mechanism that can be used to at least reliably defeat any automated tools that crack them?
I know that more effort should be spent on making a good app than on trying to prevent piracy, but if it's something relatively simple to code, and easy enough to obfuscate that automated tools wouldn't find and bypass it, that would probably be good enough, IMO.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
This can not be. I thought negative articles were reserved for RIM ...???
ban all reviews on everything. Anytime something negative is posted about Apple/Android, the other side puts on the full suite of armor and takes up their horses and goes to war.
Everything is just awesome - Does that make your day. Oh wai... The iPad poops rainbows - ARE YOU HAPPY NOW!
The weight isn't really any different, the reason it's so uncomfortable to hold for long periods is the same as any other iPad, there's simply no good way to hold it without blocking or touching the screen.
Sounds like you need a case to put the iPad in or a work surface to place the unit on.
The case could also contain some cushioning/some small amount of protection against accidental drops
Not a word about Flash? That was the big complaint about iPad 1 & 2.
Hacks like iSwifter can be temporary workarounds, but c'mon the entire premium porn industry hangs in the balance.
This is slashdot, of course not. Pick a side and demonize the other side.
Is the absurd amounts of craven worship it gets in the press. At Business Insider there's maybe a half dozen articles A DAY extolling the divine greatness which is the iPad.
The drop thing is particularly egregious in this article. TFA cites Square Trade, who dropped iPads in various orientations and gave qualitative descriptions.
Their conclusion?
So what? Once the screen is shattered, you're getting a new one either way; the magnitude of the shattering doesn't particularly matter. If you take it in to an Apple store, they're just going to clone the contents to a replacement; if you take it to an independent repair shop, they're still just going to replace the screen. It's not like there's much in there that'll get damaged from hitting the ground.
And the thing is, falling face down is an absolute worst-case scenario for the iPad; I've already dropped my iPad 3 from about chest height, and it survived without a scratch after landing on its corner and sliding under the stove. (tip: don't hold your iPad while cooking until they come up with better covers and cases; the Apple Smart Case will pop off when you least expect it).
Inadequate charging current seems to be all the rage for portable devices these days. My last two smartphones have been unable to charge while in hotspot mode with the screen on. "Why would you have the screen on?", people ask. Because, "Screw you. I want it on.", I reply. With the screen off, my last phone would take 8+ hours to top off from around 40% while in hotspot mode. For about a year, I was using a Clear Spot (4G hotspot with a battery) and it would regularly run the battery completely dead while plugged into the wall. I used it for a month in Vegas as my primary connection and I had to turn it off for about 4 hours every few days so the battery could recharge.
I think it's crazy that these portable devices are delivered with power systems that can't keep up with the drain of heavy use even when they're connected to what is, for all practical purposes, an unlimited source of power. If the device uses 10 watts running full-tilt, give us a power supply that puts out 20 watts so the battery can be charged at a decent clip while the device is being used. If that means a bulky charger, so be it. Offer a "slim" charger for people who need something smaller and don't mind waiting a year and a day for a charge. Even packaging the slow charger and selling the fast charger as a premium item would be a step up from what's happening now. It's been a long time since an 8+ hour recharge time was acceptable.
And a more powerful charger doesn't need to be a "brick". The 19 volt 40 watt charger for my laptop is about the size of a big pack of gum, weights a few ounces, and can plug in either vertically or horizontally.
If it needs to be hacked, that means it a fundamentally restrictive and oppressive device.
Dont give money to companies that try to tell u how to use ur equip.; and worst of all, do their best to prevent you from extending its functionality/use on your own.
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I thought the biggest issue with the iPad 'new' was as they say here:
http://gizmodo.com/5895299/maybe-the-new-ipad-is-hot-because-its-processor-is-310-huger
Every other CPU manufacturer has decreased their fabrication size, but Apple (or Samsung) is still using the 45nm which Intel and AMD stopped using a while ago. If the new CPU was 32nm it certainly would be smaller, would probably use less power, and probably generate a lot less heat. Even the nVidia Tegra 2 and Tegra 3 are 40nm.
Maybe that isn't the biggest issue, but my guess is the iPad '2013' will have a smaller CPU and almost nothing more. I think they need to consolidate though. The iPhone and iPad are all exactly the same thing. If somebody can actually do something like the Asus Padfone right, it would be Apple. I see no reason to have to have a tablet and a phone, when they both have 99% the same functionality, just different screen sizes.
Well, you asked.
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
Apple's products overwhelmingly try to lock you into their marketplace and keep you out of the innards of their devices.
Many lower end Android tablets can be converted to a main stream Linux distribution (with a little work).
I killed da wabbit -Elmer Fudd
Work surface?
I'm reading books in bed.
What kind of work surface solution do you have for this?
Come on, stop trying to look for ways this is my fault. Apple could have made the device easier to hold and really should do so. They could put a small ridge on back so I don't have to put a much larger case on it just so I can hold it.
They figured out the slippery seed-shaped iPhone 3 was a bad idea eventually and went to something you can hold properly. Maybe they'll figure out with the iPad at some point too.
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In that case, I think I have one of those. It's called a tire pressure gauge.
Since we are talking about ipad3 here I want to ask: is it possible to configure ipad3 to have internet connection via bluetooth tethered to some phone (not iphone) just a phone with bluetooth?
I have nokia 3120c and it works great with my http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_(console) to provide internet connection over bluetooth. Configuration was painless, just few clicks on pandora and entering a code (to allow bluetooth connection) on the phone. To start internet connection on pandora I only click the network icon on bottom panel and select "enable", pandora then connects via bluetooth to my nokia 3120c, and internet just works. I was amazed the first time I saw it. Now I'm spoiled because this is so crazy comfortable.
Would nokia 3120c work with ipad3 to provide internet connection via bluetooth?
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Taking a long time to charge means that it must have a really big freaking battery. Apple says you can get 10 hours of use out of the thing. That's pretty good considering how fast the processor, and how good the resolution on that screen is. It take 2 hours to charge my cell phone, and it probably doesn't even have 1/10 the amount of battery as the iPad.
I can vouch for the battery life. After the battery got topped off the first time I used it for an hour fairly heavily and it was still showing 100%. Even using it for movies and games for hours and I mean 4 to 6 hours of use I've never had it below 60%. It does take a long time to charge but it's like saying I have a 50 gallon fuel tank in my car so why does it take longer than the tank in my old 10 gallon compact car? I've used my iPad for a week and I haven't a single complaint. The pixel doubling is amazing and my standard def movies look like HD films. The screen is jaw dropping for a handheld. Now how do I get one for my big screen TV:-) 4K movies here I come!!!!! My only kind of sort of complaint would be some of the features are hard to find but if you have a ten year old handy they can figure it out. I was a little frustrated that all my old iPhone games showed as small windows making them nearly impossible to play. I was surprised that they didn't resize. When I let my 10 year old nephew play with it he figure it out in under a minute. There's a tiny icon you have to click to upsize it. The games look a little soft but it's up res'ing graphics 4X in this case so I say good job! The iPad games look incredible.
My requests would be for more memory and PLEASE! Open it up so it's easier to at least get content out. Moving photos and movies off the device is a headache! Apple is paranoid that you'll using it for something they didn't specifically intend.
It's impossible to tell the action of gravity near a planet's surface from upward acceleration of one's frame of reference. So in practice, "zero gravity" means "zero net accelerating force within a frame of reference", and this is the case inside a vehicle in freefall, be it the interior of an orbiting space station or the interior of a Vomit Comet aircraft in a parabola.
"Taking a long time to charge means that it must have a really big freaking battery."
What it really means is that Apple has hit the limit for the amount of current they can put through their proprietary connector. They've already exceeded the spec for what's allowed through the USB end of their cables. A lithium based battery should be able to be fully charged within 2 hours, absent such external constraints.
Sure. No matter the capacity of the battery, it should be able to be fully charged within 2 hours.
So, whether it's a cellphone, an iPad, or a Chevy Volt, it should be able to be charged in 2 hours.
Citation, please.
It's an Apple product.
The lack of Siri seems a bit annoying. Perhaps many people wouldn't use those features on it anyways, but it just rubs me the wrong way when manufacturers remove functionality they already have and could easily have included in order to segment the market or make sure people buy one of everything. For that matter removing features from cheaper models is somewhat reasonable, but the iPad is a premium product with a premium price.
And Siri is a free software service with less-than-infinite processing power and bandwidth.
Think about it. How many times do you REALLY need the kinds of questions answered that Siri is designed for while sitting stationary with your iPad?
"Find me the closest [fill in the blank]" makes a LOT more sense on a device that fits in your pocket. Similarly, "Check my appointments" also makes more sense "on the go", than on something that is usually not used while driving/walking.
And oh, BTW, the iPad is actually pretty much price-equivalent with the iPhone 4s. You're just forgetting that iPhones are usually purchased on a "subsidized" basis, whereas iPads are not.
Work surface?
I'm reading books in bed.
What kind of work surface solution do you have for this?
Come on, stop trying to look for ways this is my fault. Apple could have made the device easier to hold and really should do so. They could put a small ridge on back so I don't have to put a much larger case on it just so I can hold it.
They figured out the slippery seed-shaped iPhone 3 was a bad idea eventually and went to something you can hold properly. Maybe they'll figure out with the iPad at some point too.
How in the FUCK could Apple make the iPad "easier to hold" in ALL orientations?
Get a fucking CASE. When I read/browse with my iPad in bed, if I lay on my side, I disable the auto-rotate feature, and the case turns into a "chevron", which nicely holds the iPad. When I read/browse on my back, then my case already is designed to hold the iPad at several angles. Again, not a problem.
Having said that, I would like to get one of those cylindrical bean-bag "pillows" for using the iPad while sitting in a chair, because my case doesn't seem to have a goo angle for that use.
but the rest of us know that Apple is over-priced, under-specced and your toys are made by exploiting children in sweatshops
Now that's just not true. Apple does not exploit children in sweatshops!
Apple products are made by enslaved fetuses.
Yes, it's true. Apple manufactures in China because of the large available number of unwanted female fetuses. Chinese parents want a boy to carry on the family name, but because of the one-child policy it's an iffy proposition. So Apple collects unwanted female fetuses and enslaves them. Fetal fingers are very small and can do very fine precision work. And fetuses never complain about working conditions or ask for time off.
So please stop saying that Apple exploits children. It's just not true.
Exploited children are too expensive. Enslaved fetuses are the key to Apple's superior supply chain.
Apple is paranoid that you'll using it for something they didn't specifically intend.
Which oddly didn't make it into the article's list of gripes, but continues to be the single biggest reason I refuse to buy one.
I want to be able to use my devices for whatever the fuck I want. I connect my phone as a USB device and copy files to/from it. I install software from websites. I visits sites that use Flash even.
Steve Jobs made a lot of money but he's dead now. Why is his monopolistic anti-competitiveness continuing to cripple Apple devices?
We appear to be dealing with a difference of definition, so let's resolve it now. I define weight is mass times one's acceleration relative to some frame of reference. How do you define weight?
Sure. No matter the capacity of the battery, it should be able to be fully charged within 2 hours. So, whether it's a cellphone, an iPad, or a Chevy Volt, it should be able to be charged in 2 hours.
Think so actually, assuming you can get enough power to it. Higher capacity lithium ion batteries can generally handle higher charging currents too. The Chevy Volt is apparently constrained by the amount of power the charging outlets it uses can supply but the website claims it takes 4 hours to charge it from a 240 volt outlet.
Mine works great. No complaints here. I see a lot of complaints from people that clearly don't have one. Your opinions have been noted and will be given the consideration merited. That is all.
your gravity fails and negativity don't pull you through
I lay down at 12
You lay down your iPad.
Then you lie down.
It also has young, gainfully employed, physically and mentally healthy employee population. Suicide rate among those should be zero. The fact that some of these people commit suicide, especially at work and in such a public way as jumping out of windows or high factory floors, speaks volumes. Apple apologists make me sick.
I'd bet part of the confusion is people charging via the USB port on their computer vs a wall charger.
USB ports on a computer are limited to 500mA, wall chargers are typically around 1000mA, though some I've seen go up to 2000mA.
So, someone who is saying "gee this takes forever" is likely the person who is charging via their PC.
The capacity I have seen listed for the iPad3 is 14000mAh. If you were to do a dead battery to fully charged via PC only, it could take almost 28 hours. (though batteries charging rates are not linear)
Bought an HP tablet for $99 and put Android on it, does everything the iPad can do. Still kind of a useless device.
I bought a ipad 2 just a few days ago. Nothing on the ipad 3 could justify the higher price point to me. Plus I was able to get a like new one used from a guy on craigs list trying to raise money for the new ipad. $250.00 for a 32 gig not 3g was a fair price, and a lot cheaper than a ipad3 that has marginal improvements.
If you think that double the screen real-estate (with better color performance to boot), twice the RAM, non-carrier-locked LTE, newest-generation Bluetooth and 4X the graphics performance for the same price as the previous model constitutes a "marginal improvement , then you are clearly delusional, or one of those typically sad people who doesn't understand the difference between "price" and "value".
Too bad you aren't as smart as the person you bought your used iPad 2 from, HAHA!!!
Steve Jobs made a lot of money but he's dead now. Why is his monopolistic anti-competitiveness continuing to cripple Apple devices?
I think Apple feels that in order to provide a high quality user experience, they need to have as much control over their products as possible, in order to avoid unintended adverse consequences.
Whether or not that is the best strategy or not is something we'll see over the next few years, as the closed/controlled iPad model competes against the open/uncontrolled Android model.
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
Of course if it has a faster mobile connection you'll eat through your data limit faster. What the hell were people expecting?
The biggest issue is the inability for Safari or any iOS browser to wrap text. Reading websites on a 10" screen can get tiresome on the eyes, especially if your eyesight isn't that great. I don't know why Apple hasn't seen fit to include the ability to wrap text in Safari. It's the main reason I stay away from Apple products and force myself to use Android tablets and smartphones. Without text reflow reading on a mobile device is guaranteed to give you eyestraight.
Why can't these portable devices come with or the company offer an optional pack for, gee, I don't know...
SOLAR RECHARGING?
The tech is out there, many people do this sort of thing, some end up ruining their devices on the first or first few tries before they get it right, but seriously folks.. the time has come for portable electronic devices to include the option of and devices properly made for SOLAR RECHARGING.
My main bitch about these devices is, I usually can't read or use the device long enough before the battery wants recharging.
What's even worse, is sometimes I won't use a device for a day or two and the battery is almost HALF DRAINED! I've even witnessed some of these devices POWERING THEMSELVES ON! None of the device's firmware offered an option for this action so it makes me wonder how many SAT COM are probing electronic devices, especially those with FM included. (google: FM Fingerprinting)
Since less than 10% of the newiPads sold are LTE, it's kind of hard to get worked up over the greater data requirements. They just won't matter to most folks
I don't need one. I'd rather spend my money on something I need more. Food, mortgage payments, fuel, books .....
"The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes" - Winston Churchill
The best thing about the new iPad, is that mine is arriving today :)
If your wrists or arms really hurt from carrying a 1.44 lbs COMPUTER you should really re-think about your future childrens (and further generations) wrists and HOW THEY ARE GOING TO BE WEAK BECAUSE OF YOU! :)
Only thing I'd get an ipad3 for is bjorks newest album. (needless to say, not yet worth it).
-bgg
It makes more sense for all of us to jump of the sinking ship [of Adobe Flash].
In this analogy, what do lifeboats represent?
Some games solve [the completely flat touch screen on an iPhone or iPad] by (eg - Age of Zombies) making the left and right controls appear wherever you place your thumbs
So the movement gesture is done by placing the left thumb at a "neutral" position and then rolling it in a direction rather than sliding. I can see how this would work, but I can foresee problems in platformers and other games where the player is expected to hold a direction for a long time, and not having an iPhone or iPad with which to test it myself, I can't see how the games end up solving them. (My current Android device is an Archos 43 that doesn't support multitouch.) And what about the other thumb? How would it work with more than one button, such as a jump and fire button, or punch and kick, or punch and magic? Or are practical on-screen gamepads limited to one button like an Atari game?
And obviously it doesn't really apply to the massively popular puzzle games that are hugely successful (eg - Cut the Rope, Draw Something!, etc).
There are two different kinds of block puzzle games: those that work by manipulating objects already in the field (e.g. Bejeweled), and those that work by guiding objects into a field (e.g. Tetris). I tried Tetris on a relative's iPhone and could never get nearly as fast as I routinely do on a DS, though Klax might work with downward and upward flick actions. So are falling block games worthless? And even in games with touch, there's the problem of seeing around the finger, though I admit that's more of a problem with the iPhone, where the finger is larger relative to the display.
A colleague of mine installed something on his iPad 1 the other day. It came up with the message Unauthorized application or some such. WTF? He installed it, so therefore it is authorized. Stupid Apple control freaks. That's why I own a Galaxy S2. The iPhone might be better, but Apple can fuck off telling me what I can put on there and having the damn cheek to charge 100GBP more for an extra 16GB of storage instead of giving their users an SD card slot like nearly every other manufacturer.
I want to be able to use my devices for whatever the fuck I want.
You only think you do. Do you visit Flash sites with your toaster? Do you connect a USB device to your DVD player? An iPad is an appliance that does a lot of things.
I was surprised that they kept the 10W charger.
The battery is massive (compared to the iPad 2), and almost half the size of an actual Macbook - and those use much more powerful chargers.
I have to assume that the charging circuitry is simply not rated for the much higher current.
You can play while charging.
I had a very good rep until I posted true experiences showing bugs with the ipad 1 and IOS 5. Apple even deleted posts of mine on the Apple forums. I don't actually care about rep so from here on out, F^$%K YOU APPLE. Lying, cheating, unscrupulous dealing. People don't seem to see underneath the style and design to realize they are doing exactly what Microsoft was so guilty of in the last decade. Apple even pushes it further by trying to control every bit of your information they can. Try to play a game, You have to sign into game center. Your anonymity is unfortunately gone. Have a 12 year old child? Too bad, their real name is posted everywhere. Have an objection? The paid shill force plus the fan boys will discredit you until you look the fool rather than showing the real problem. F^%$#EK YOU APPLE.
"Computers are a lot like Air Conditioners" "They both work great until you start opening Windows"
Yes. We know that as soon as a new model is introduced, the old Apple gear becomes instantly shitty and only a fool would continue to use it.
What are you even here on Slashdot for? Regurgitating bullet points from Apple brochures isn't very interesting to the rest of us.
Except that the gravitational field near a planet's surface is spherical while the equivalent field generated by constant acceleration is uniform.
And the limit of spherical as area decreases is uniform.
just that your example should either consider the action of gravity sufficiently far from the planet's surface
I was under the impression that for most objects considered to be in a "zero gravity" freefall, tidal forces were negligible.
Pretty much every major site has switched to html5 for video.
That's understandable for video, in the sense of compressed sequences of bitmap images. But what have sites switched to for vector animation? Canvas still doesn't work on Internet Explorer for Windows XP.
I don't ever run into any sites that require flash anymore.
How did you happen to never run into Homestar Runner or Weebl's Stuff or Newgrounds?
The problem is simple, The thing has no vents or cooling. But don't expect a solution anytime soon (unless they invent nanofans and heatsinks) :)
Yes. We know that as soon as a new model is introduced, the old Apple gear becomes instantly shitty and only a fool would continue to use it.
What are you even here on Slashdot for? Regurgitating bullet points from Apple brochures isn't very interesting to the rest of us.
So why are you expending the effort to read, let alone REPLY to them?
NOW who's the idiot?
That shouldn't be on a list of complaints about the iPad, but rather the #1 complaint about US data plans.
It's worthless without one
It's not perfect for all people. Who woulda thunk it?
Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
I can accept your opinion, but still can't say I agree with it myself.
I don't think "paranoia" factors in. That's just more Apple bashing. The fact is, Apple sells their products as part of an entire "user experience" you're supposed to get from them. That's one of the reasons you don't ever see Macs for sale at the local Wal-Mart or "Joe's Computer Shop" down the street in a strip mall. Apple is concerned with the sales experience you receive meeting certain minimum standards of theirs. Even the "unboxing" experience is thought out in advance, so you feel as though your new purchase is something important, valuable and "high end" in nature. As you use their products, they want them to work in the manner they designed too. If you call for technical support, the person on the other end of the line needs to know your product has certain menu options and runs everything a certain way - or else they can't give you the type of "step by step" support answers you might expect.
It's legitimate to disregard all of this as "meaningless" to you, or even to say in your opinion, it's not how a computer product should be sold. But it's part of the formula Apple has for their products - and it's a very successful one.
I'm technical enough so I never need to call Apple's help line ... and sure, there are times I wanted to do something with a product of theirs that's way outside the scope of what THEY intended for it. But usually, I can do that if I so desire (such as jailbreaking an iPhone or iPad) and all is good. 90% of the time though, I actually LIKE what they've done with a given product, and I'm fine with using it within those parameters they built it with. Apple is, by and large, pretty good with that stuff, IMO -- so I keep coming back to them.
rasterizing the vectors and bloating the data by a factor of ten
I'm pretty sure all of those old Homestar Runner videos are available on youtube via html5
The conversion process to put Flash cartoons on YouTube bloats the data by a factor of ten, which means you can't watch as many per month and stay under your cap.
How much time do you spend playing flash games? I don't really know how well flash games designed to be used with a mouse really translate to an iPad's touch based interface anyway.
Any game that relies only on click, not on mouseover, would translate perfectly.
You can of course just use your computer or laptop when you want to play flash games, I certainly don't think an iPad replaces a general purpose computer.
It'll have to once laptop makers stop making laptops that are small enough. Dell already discontinued its line of 10" laptops.
Android tablets are garbage .... mostly because the OS is garbage.
Kindle Fire is selling .... in the imagination of fandroids. Amazon reported to the SEC a purchase of 250K Kindle Fires ..... and they still have many in inventory.
So what magical "alternative" are we talking about? The crappy iPad clones nobody buys?
problem solved.
for you--you should stick with that.
"So a 'mouse' for an iOS device would cause a mouse pointer to emerge on the screen."
Priceless.
Yawn. I feel like Apple-haters are getting dumber over time--it didn't used to be so trivial to punch holes in their arguments, did it?
The word in Genesis is Yom.
Yom means day.
24 hours.
There is no debate about this in any group.
Holding even a small weight for hours on end gets tiring. A small increase in the weight can make a big difference in comfort over the long term.
(a) heat (battery temperature & rate of rise increases with charging current, there's limited heat transfer/dissipation in a small aluminium chassis, and LiPol batteries aren't known for their immunity to thermal runaway), and
(b) 10W = 5V x 2A, which is already 30% over the rating of the USB Type A connector (1.5A).
What part of "a well regulated militia" do you not understand?
Steve Jobs made a lot of money but he's dead now. Why is his monopolistic anti-competitiveness continuing to cripple Apple devices?
You're really asking why apple, having made insane amounts of money by designing desirable products and being anti-competitive, isn't immediately changing course after one guy dies?
Don't care. I don't use Apple. Android does what I want the way I want. If Apple's iOS did it, I'd buy it. The end.
This sig no verb.
You can play while charging.
But it does charge significantly slower then.
Write boring code, not shiny code!
I The fact is, Apple sells their products as part of an entire "user experience" you're supposed to get from them. That's one of the reasons you don't ever see Macs for sale at the local Wal-Mart or "Joe's Computer Shop" down the street in a strip mall.
My local Walmart sells iPads and iPods.
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Can we get /. editors to rename his account to Captain Macs4All Obvious?
Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
Who'll buy a $62 joystick to carry around just to play one video game?
Corking quote from TFA: "The Verge noted that these apps can be up to *five times bigger*. A dramatic example of an app getting fatter is Tweetbot, which grew from under *10 MB to 25 MB* in its Retina-ready update."
Glad to see the LA Times thinks the best illustration of "5 times fatter" is "2.5 times fatter"
No, its one of those relativistic years where he leaves it on earth while charging and travels through space at large fractions of c.
At one-tenth of a pound heavier that really doesn't sound like much, but it can start to matter if you hold your iPad in one hand for long periods or have any kind of repetitive stress injury.
IPad3 != jerk off friendly. See this is the important information they don't seem to tell you in the shops.
manufactured in Texas by Apple-owned Fab house, Intrinsity
Intrinsity (back when it existed independent of Apple) was a fabless manufacturer that contracted out to other foundries (including and especially Samsung) to manufacture their chips. Samsung just upgraded its Austin plant for A#-series chip production; Intrinsity never had an Austin plant and Apple hasn't built one.
Rumor has it (ugh...) that Apple was trying to shift assembly to TSMC, but they didn't have the quality/yield.
That's funny. My iPad 1 takes a fucking year to charge.
As we're on slashdot, I imagine a year's worth of fucking would be about five minutes.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Problem is it takes more time than a typical night's sleep to charge it. In fact, I believe it takes longer on average to charge than deplete. Note that the iPad cannot charge if its in use, and may even loose a (very) small amount.
I'm sure their thinking went kinda like this:
1. Hmm, Adobe's mobile flash plugin sucks. We can't count on them to do it right. The desktop plugin just happens to be the leading cause of crashes and beachballs while browsing using Safari on OS X. Hmm.
2. So we should probably develop our own plugin. But hey, why develop a runtime from scratch that we're not going to be making any content for?!
3. So maybe we should be making content for it (and maybe also tools)? Meh, why would we help anyone make content that can run on other, worse yet, competing, platforms?
4. Screw that. We can invest all of that effort into making our own tech better. Our market doesn't seem to mind.
A successful API design takes a mixture of software design and pedagogy.
Steve Jobs made a lot of money but he's dead now. Why is his monopolistic anti-competitiveness continuing to cripple Apple devices?
Taking a wild guess, the monopolistic anti-competitiveness has made them shed loads of money in the past, and is projected to make them shed loads more in the future.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
That's one of the reasons you don't ever see Macs for sale at the local Wal-Mart
Walmart has been selling Apples for years now.
What political party do you join when you don't like Bible-thumpers *or* hippies?
what's not to like ? how about the anti-innovation , patent trolling , general pushover attitude of it's maker ?
as far as i'm concerned they will never do good enough on hardware as long as this attitude exist
How about the $400 Galaxy Tab 10.1 (lighter, bigger screen and nicer to use IMHO than iPad v. any)?
That's the same price as the iPad 2 now, only the iPad 2 is lighter, has a better screen, and 1000x the applications built specifically for a tablet...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Yes, they do ... but not Macs, as I said above.
They're not as concerned with your sales experience with a new iOS device or classic iPod. Those are more of "self contained" devices where most of your questions about usage come AFTER you get it home and unbox it.
Walmart does NOT sell Mac Pro towers, iMacs, Mac Minis, Macbook Airs, Macbooks or Macbook Pros -- to the best of my knowledge.
You're engaging in a lot of rhetorical flourishes but you aren't actually telling anyone anything meaningful.
That's because everyone already knows, or can use google.
But just in case you were serious:
* Better battery life (over two hours longer playing video).
* Faster recharge times (by an hour).
* 100x more applications built specifically for the iPad to take greater advantage of the larger space instead of blindly scaling up a handful of UI elements.
I mean, the application thing along pretty much nails it if you meant to buy a tablet for anything real as opposed to just having a toy for the sake of it.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I want to be able to use my devices for whatever the fuck I want. I connect my phone as a USB device and copy files to/from it
There are multiple applications (at least for the Mac) that do just that. They open your iOS device filesystem, and you can easily copy in/out.
You can pretty much do anything you want with it as is, if you really want to get crazy jailbreak it.
Why is his monopolistic anti-competitiveness continuing to cripple Apple devices?
It's not.
Your perception that it is cripples your own use of the best possible gadgets for portable computing.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I have one, the charge times are quite slow. To be honest, too slow.
Try to use a charger or a powered USB port that is rated for "fast" iPad charging -- These chargers/ports supply 1.5-2.0A rather than the USB minimum which is typically 500mA for a powered port but can be as low as 100mA per port on an unpowered hub. That said, simple math will tell you the new iPad takes a long time to charge. The device has a 42Wh battery and charges at 5V which requires 8.4Ah @ 5V to fully recharge. On a 500mA connection, that takes 16.8 hours and on a 100mA connection it takes a whopping 84 hours.
However, on a 2A connection (iPad rated), it takes only 4.2 hours. It's also worth noting that the iPad continues to charge for up to 1hr after it says it's 100% charged so real charging time is actually a little longer than what you might think.
The weight isn't really any different, the reason it's so uncomfortable to hold for long periods is the same as any other iPad, there's simply no good way to hold it without blocking or touching the screen.
FWIW, the iPad is much easier to hold than the smaller Kindle Fire. I have both and the Kindle Fire has such a thin boundary that thumb touches always accidentally register when trying to hold the device.
No field replaceable units (batteries, or case parts).
What else, -- cost.
Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada
There's always the PlayBook, a fantastic OS, solid hardware, and a brilliant user interface.
Aside from a limited selection of apps, it's fantastic. The over-all user experience is undoubtedly better than the iPad.
Required reading for internet skeptics
It's not working right, then.
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Let's leave the produce department out of this.
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So play longer.
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Mostly because most of the wind went out of their sails once an Intel processor (for desktop/laptop) and a Unix-based OS went onto Apple products.
Now it's just trivialities.
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Actually, from what I've just read, when doing a CPU intensive task it may not charge at all.
Write boring code, not shiny code!
The minimum charge juice needed, for iPad 2 at least, seems to be 0,5 A though; my MacBook Pro when running Windows 7 only delivers 400 mA to the iPad 2 (Windows apparently reserves 100 mA for "something"), and the iPad 2 when connected says "not charging". Does charge the iPhone 4S though...
Adobe gave up on mobile flash (because it sucks), maybe it is time for you to give it up too.
This is key. They never claim it is actually more likely to shatter.
Look at it this way. I had Flash installed on my 600Mhz PC, my 900Mhz PC, my 1.2GHz PC.. Why wouldn't I have it installed on my dual-core 1.5GHz computer?
Just because it's mobile doesn't make it crap.
(Admittedly, being Flash does make it crap, but tell that to the 80 million websites that use it)
I don't have any monthly data cap
What carrier, what country? In my country, satellite and cellular ISPs have roughly 5 GB/mo caps. Even wired home ISPs such as Comcast have a monthly data cap. And if you're outside of 3G coverage and your device has fallen back to EDGE, you will probably not have enough bandwidth to maintain an AVC stream, but an SWF can still successfully preload at that speed.
Any game that requires dragging won't work.
The choice of Flash or HTML is orthogonal to the choice of pointing device. Here's how it could work, whether in Flash or in HTML: A script on the page marks the interior of an element as clickable and not scrollable. Touching the surface fires a mouse over event, an immediate mouse down event, a series of mouse moved events while the finger continues to move, and a mouse up event.
No one is going to stop making laptops.
I said "stop making laptops that are small enough", or in other words, "stop making laptops that fit in a bag designed for a laptop with a 10 inch screen".
You're describing a Bluetooth keyboard or Bluetooth joystick. But in that case, it's not when the tech will become available at all as much as when the tech will become affordable as an impulse buy in the same way that a game on the App Store is an impulse buy. A $62 gamepad currently is not.
"My local Walmart sells iPads and iPods." ... and what does this have to do with the comment you quoted? Neither of those are Macs, which Wal-Mart does NOT sell.
OR, someone who doesn't want to shell out two grand for a computer that will run iTunes just for the privilege of being able to spend $500 on an iPad, when I can just plug a USB cable into my phone and Linux box. It's exactly the same functionality as plugging in a flashdrive, and yet I'm the one who gets downvoted?
MSIE: The world's most standards-complaint web browser.
But isn't it kinda telling that he never replied?
That's very interesting. My emulators aren't game emulators, or at least, not per se -- they're machine emulators. For example, one is an emulation of a 1970's era 6809 system with disk operating system and so on. Only one of the companies involved was still in business at the time I wrote the emulator, and I do have permission from them to include their software. It has everything from assemblers to c compilers to basic to forth to whatever you can think of from that era, pretty much.
Still, it's a big pushup, for a small potential audience, to go thru with a chance Apple will say "no." And it isn't like I don't have other things on my plate, either.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
You didn't say anything interesting to rebut or defend the notion that Apple products become instantly obsolete as soon as the new version comes out.
Just boring meta-noise.