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Critics Blast Apple's Cheesy New Ad Campaign

theodp writes "BetaBeat reports that people are pretty much falling over themselves to mock Apple's cheesy new Genius ad campaign, using zingers like 'intellectually cheap,' 'cringe-inducing,' 'borderline smarmy,' and — perhaps the unkindest cut of all — Microsoft-worthy — to describe them. Apple's trilogy-of-terror ad lineup includes Mayday ('An Apple Genius shows a fellow passenger how easy it is to make great home movies with iMovie. All before the tray tables are returned to their upright position.'), Labor Day ('An Apple Genius shows a soon-to-be father all the amazing things he can make with iPhoto.'), and Basically ('An Apple Genius points out there are a lot of things that separate a Mac from an ordinary computer, like great apps that come built in.'). The Atlantic's Jordan Weissmann says Steve Jobs would be appalled by the new ads, which certainly don't fare well in a head-to-head comparison with Think Different."

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  1. Successful ad campaign is successful by drinkydoh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They even got their ad campaign freely detailed on Slashdot and by all those different critics. Can't be more successful than that.

    1. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      it's detailed well elsewhere too.
      if views were a metric, then it's successful. but if apple had filmed a turd for 20 seconds and published that as an official advert it would have the highest viewcount on youtube - however I really doubt that would mean it's a successful advert for them in building of their brand image.

      Basically they're Apple adverts, basically.

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    2. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the bottomline of all the ad campaigns. Regardless of them being good, bad or worse, they are always successful in getting the attention and coverage :/

    3. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, is this stuff that matters?

    4. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by romanval · · Score: 1

      Ah, so controversy is the campaign! It worked for Calvin Klein's creepy-guy-filming-kids-in-a-basement commercials in the 90's. I have a feeling this isn't as bad though.

    5. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by vlm · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They even got their ad campaign freely detailed on Slashdot and by all those different critics. Can't be more successful than that.

      If the ads were any good we'd see Samsung ads that look just like it.

      I still haven't seen the ads... mythtv dvr with auto commercial detection and autoskipping, adblocker on the web browser, don't watch sports, haven't watched live TV in years, don't buy newspapers or magazines (although I get a couple "journal" type mags)... What's apple's plan to push their message to a guy like me who has buckets of cash and no ad viewing habit? Oh, I see, get their ads discussed on /. damn you apple damn you that worked pretty well.

      The only ads I've seen a couple years are the ford sync / etc / ads inserted inline on twit and revision3. However, recently when I watch revision3 shows on my roku the first thing is womens herpes medications WTF is up with that. Are all ads that poorly targeted out in the real (aka unblocked/unskipped) world? Like are sporting event commercials all romance novel publicity spots, etc?

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    6. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. I just watched all three. They're all terrible. They also didn't tell me anything new about Apple (I knew that they have people who call themselves Genius. *Blech*) If your only metric is the number of people who saw the ads, then yes, add me to that number. If your metric counts put-off people as negative, then you'll definitely have to put a -1 for me.

    7. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Funny

      but if apple had filmed a turd for 20 seconds and published that as an official advert it would have the highest viewcount on youtube - however I really doubt that would mean it's a successful advert for them in building of their brand image.

      People would have said they liked the new fully cornerless design and swirly textures. Brown is obviously the new white (or black) and you have to be impressed by the new smell feedback technology. It's soft and warm to the touch as well, making it comfortable to hold.

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    8. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by MrCrassic · · Score: 2

      That's true, but it doesn't make them any less weird. They aren't funny like their Mac vs PC commercials were or impressive through subtlety like their iPod/iPhone/iPad commercials usually are. They seemed kind of pointless...almost like Microsoft commercials, except with more obviousness.

    9. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by 0ld_d0g · · Score: 1

      Not really. "Any publicity is good publicity" is deeply stupid.

      Consider two cases for advertisements.

      1. Advertisements that want you to think product X is better than Y,Z,..
      2. Advertisements that want you to simply know that product X exists.

      Apple has no need for #2. With respect to #1 - Apple has historically been successful by the content of their advertisements. By that I mean the emotional reaction that average consumers have when they see an Apple product / marketing material is largely a function of the content, rather than it just being spammed to them for recall value.

    10. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Did you hear what everyone said about HP's new commercial lineup? Me either.

    11. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do I get the feeling this was actually a prototype for a Zune ad?

    12. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Enderandrew · · Score: 5, Interesting

      People say that there is no such thing as bad publicity. That isn't the case. Ask BP what it was like to be in the news constantly for the oil spill.

      Microsoft is in the news for losing market share in just about every key segment since Ballmer took over. Apple is in the news for failing to meet sales expectations for the iPhone and a disappointing earnings statement.

      These ads suggest that Apple may have lost their touch when Jobs died. Consumers and stockholders might have reason to question the future of the company under Tim Cook.

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    13. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I hear about Microsoft a lot here too. Do you think that all helps Microsoft?

      Anyway, David Mitchell - who played PC in the British Mac vs PC ads - said it best. In Britain, we hate smugness and prefer the PC character. So this can only make things worse.

    14. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by BriggsBU · · Score: 4, Funny

      Basically they're Apple adverts, basically.

      Are you from the Department of Redundancy Department?

    15. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      Exactly what I thought.

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    16. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      "No such thing as bad publicity" is wrong. Bad publicity is bad.

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    17. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Funny

      People would have said they liked the new fully cornerless design and swirly textures. Brown is obviously the new white (or black) and you have to be impressed by the new smell feedback technology. It's soft and warm to the touch as well, making it comfortable to hold.

      But being Apple it wouldn't be compatible with a genetic anus, it'll be proprietary.

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    18. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you've never used a Zune?

    19. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus, the Haterade Addicts get to call another meeting!

    20. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Nixoloco · · Score: 1

      That's true, but it doesn't make them any less weird. They aren't funny like their Mac vs PC commercials were or impressive through subtlety like their iPod/iPhone/iPad commercials usually are. They seemed kind of pointless...almost like Microsoft commercials, except with more obviousness.

      As I posted below, I don't think these ads are for Apple's current customers. They are designed to reassure users thinking about switching to the Mac that they will have support. If Apple wants to expand their market share (in Mac sales), it can only come from PC/Windows users.

    21. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Missing.Matter · · Score: 2

      Apple has a history of mixed success with Ads. Look at the "I'm a Mac" ads. People loved to hate them on the internet, and they had tons of exposure. But were they successful? I would say no, given Mac market share remained pretty much stagnant at a time when Microsoft released their worst OS ever (Vista). Instead of running to OSX, people ran back to XP.

      The problem with the "I'm a Mac" ads were that people identified more with the funny quirky "PC" character than the pretentious hip "Mac" character, and the point of the ads seemed more to be to affirm the choice of current owners rather than to woo new ones.

      Now these new ads feature the "Apple Genius," another pretentious title which screams "I'm better and smarter than you" and supposedly the mac user is always clueless, when this Genius comes to save the day. I guess the takeaway is that Macs have support when you need them, but what I'm getting is just another variant of "You're holding it wrong." As a mac user I'm insulted, as a potential mac user, I don't want to have to deal with some asshole kid telling me "No it's easy, just do this..."

    22. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Mr.+Tom+Guycot · · Score: 0

      I honestly though the summary was overblown and a case of overzealous apple hate from slashdot, but watching those ads was... wow, I literally cringed, they were just so unexpectedly awful. Like, they would be awful for microsoft, who've never had good ads, but for apple? Fuck, they're so *bizarrely* awful that it really does raise an eyebrow.

    23. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by khendron · · Score: 2

      but if apple had filmed a turd for 20 seconds and published that as an official advert it would have the highest viewcount on youtube - however I really doubt that would mean it's a successful advert for them in building of their brand image.

      People would have said they liked the new fully cornerless design and swirly textures. Brown is obviously the new white (or black) and you have to be impressed by the new smell feedback technology. It's soft and warm to the touch as well, making it comfortable to hold.

      Good thing I didn't step in it!

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    24. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but if apple had filmed a turd for 20 seconds and published that as an official advert it would have the highest viewcount on youtube

      Turds do have rounded corners...

    25. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You deserve herpes you fucking leech. Watch the ads, fucker, they're the price of admission.

    26. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by serbanp · · Score: 1

      See the Apple advert named "Basically", then you'll understand...

    27. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes but your think about BP not Shell. Good or bad you still think of BP.

    28. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because you've never used a Zune?

      Who has?

    29. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by chispito · · Score: 1

      Is that like the tired joke department?

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    30. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 2

      I hate to burst your bubble, but that presumes an awful lot about advertising working. Do you really think vlm is going to buy women's herpes medication? Ads that have no hope of translating into purchases or recommendations are wastes of everyone's time and money. That's why this article is hardly free attention for Apple—basically, we're laughing at them, basically.

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    31. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They are the first in a long time that don't lie. All the iPhone and iPad ads were sped up, the real devices not being as fast as they show them to be. The Mac vs. PC ads made ridiculous claims about Macs not getting viruses. Maybe if you strip away the bullshit this is what is left.

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    32. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      As I posted below, I don't think these ads are for Apple's current customers.

      Did you figure that out all by yourself? Why would Apple advertise to people who are already buying their crap? They're trying to sell their crap to people who aren't buying it, like every other business ever.

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    33. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by amrs · · Score: 1

      People say that there is no such thing as bad publicity. That isn't the case. Ask BP what it was like to be in the news constantly for the oil spill.

      If only the PCs on the oil rig had been running Windows. No, wait... So did Microsoft take a hit for that? I doubt it.

    34. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Nixoloco · · Score: 2

      As I posted below, I don't think these ads are for Apple's current customers.

      Did you figure that out all by yourself? Why would Apple advertise to people who are already buying their crap? They're trying to sell their crap to people who aren't buying it, like every other business ever.

      Ignoring the condescension... Businesses often advertise focusing on existing customers as well as new ones. That's how they let them know there are new products/new versions/next-greatest-thing etc. These commercials don't appear to be like that.

    35. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Reasonable+Facsimile · · Score: 1

      but if apple had filmed a turd for 20 seconds and published that as an official advert it would have the highest viewcount on youtube - however I really doubt that would mean it's a successful advert for them in building of their brand image.

      People would have said they liked the new fully cornerless design and swirly textures. Brown is obviously the new white (or black) and you have to be impressed by the new smell feedback technology. It's soft and warm to the touch as well, making it comfortable to hold.

      I mis-read "cornerless" as "corn-less."

    36. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by vlm · · Score: 1

      Do you really think vlm is going to buy women's herpes medication?

      LOL No thats not going to sell to me. Thats the weird part, that either they think I'm in the target market, or most of the people who own a roku streaming box and watch revision3 shows are in the target market. I don't know which is unspeakably weirder. Either the mighty GOOG (or someone) knows a lot more about my sex life than I apparently do, or "the ben heck show" despite superficially being for nerdy guys who never get laid is primarily watched by herpes infested groupies. Other than the herpes thing, maybe I should start a tech videocast? Perhaps I insulted the Mighty GOOG to receive his holy judgment? Perhaps a burnt offering of internet troll would sate the Mighty GOOG? I've got the propane barbeque... wherever could I find some Internet Troll to grill? Hmm

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    37. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      it was a test to test if people reading had actually seen the vids or were just basically acting on hunch, basically. I'm actually starting to think the turd advert would have been hailed as brilliant.

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    38. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      genetic? you mean generic.

      sigh, why do people complain about slashdot editors not proofreading their submissions when even the average poster here cant even do the same...

    39. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Probably the worst place to advertise, as half the population are already Apple fan-boys and the other half will never buy an Apple product.

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    40. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Stormtrooper42 · · Score: 2

      Wait, so you don't think Slashdot editors should be held to higher standards than the average poster?

    41. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Cederic · · Score: 3, Funny

      Surely a generic anus is a genetic one?

      (No, I can't believe I'm posting this either)

    42. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Whatever man, these ads a painful. I would be super embarrassed to associate myself with a product pitched with a hybrid of a Wal-Mart and a Microsoft ad. Apple is supposed to appeal to affluent, if not technical, people who view themselves as intelligent. These ads are not funny, not cute, and not at all informative.

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    43. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Support for commodity items? Not a big concern usually and most people have their support network in place.

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    44. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      You forgot one of the key components of advertising. It has to relate the product to the needs (need for image, need for utility, etc...) of the customer. They tried for this but that message got derailed by the freakin chipmunk. It made me want to go running to the Geek Squad. Really weak, and a sign of group-think disaster at Apple AND the ad agency. Dysfunctional GM comes off with better ads than this.

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    45. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by jbolden · · Score: 1

      The "I'm a Mac" ads drove the high value customers to Apple. By the time Apple was at 8% by volume they represented almost 90 of the profits. I think the purpose of Apple ads is to reaffirm people's choices and their brand identity. Apple has had mostly the same ad for 30 years they hit one of these themes:

      -- Apples are better
      -- Apples are easier
      -- The only reason people would choose a PC is because they are brainwashed lemmings

    46. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by mjwx · · Score: 2

      People say that there is no such thing as bad publicity. That isn't the case. Ask BP what it was like to be in the news constantly for the oil spill.

      The saying "there's no such thing as bad publicity" is true when you're not trying to manipulate public opinion/thoughts.

      This is true for a lot of companies, just to get or stay in the public consciousness. Companies like Microsoft, McDonalds, Citibank and Walmart aren't really hurt by negative publicity and benefit by it by simply being mentioned. Even BP wasn't harmed by the negative publicity from the oil spill, they were harmed more by the loss of production (x barrels per day removed from the revenue stream).

      However the reverse is true for companies that are trying to maintain an image such as Apple, BMW and Rolex. If the "Prius" control error happened to a BMW (or Lexus, considering many Lexus' are just re-badged Toyota's) the brand would have suffered greatly, losing a chunk of it's luxury status. As it stands, Toyota is still considered a highly reliable brand despite the Prius issues. Because Apple needs everyone to think a certain way about it to support its business model, negative publicity is very harmful to them. Hell, this is why Toyota and Lexus are different brands, no one likes a Camry, Land Cruisers are too blue collar so a Toyota can never be luxury, but a Lexus... well that's different(TM).

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    47. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Grudge2012 · · Score: 0

      They are the first in a long time that don't lie. All the iPhone and iPad ads were sped up, the real devices not being as fast as they show them to be.

      Yeah, and all those adds that show your phone enabling you to fill an empty railway station with people in 20 seconds, or switch from day to night are 100% truthful. While the Apple ads were lies because they were 30 seconds instead of 1 minute with 30 seconds of waiting time for an app to load over the net.

    48. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Grudge2012 · · Score: 0

      The "I'm a Mac" ads drove the high value customers to Apple. By the time Apple was at 8% by volume they represented almost 90 of the profits. I think the purpose of Apple ads is to reaffirm people's choices and their brand identity. Apple has had mostly the same ad for 30 years they hit one of these themes:

      -- Apples are better -- Apples are easier -- The only reason people would choose a PC is because they are brainwashed lemmings

      While the other manufacturers focused on their products being worse than others, hard to use, and all others are for the hip people. Don't make me laugh.

    49. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes totally! Apple always using proprietary interaces, for keyboard, mouse, screen, speakers, headphones
      you name it.

      * Checks laptop for amusingly proprietary (Sony like) interfaces ...oh ...

    50. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by jbolden · · Score: 1

      The other manufacturer focused their campaigns on different issues.

      Most of them focused much more heavily on value / price. "We are the best deal for the money" is central to their advertising, far more consumers are highly price conscious than not and most of the others were aiming for market share either in consumer or corporate.
      Most of the consumer stuff from other manufacturers is focused on their software / hardware actually working a "we get that Windows stuff to work the way it should" meme. Like Toshiba's "no untested software" or HP's Dr. Dre ads.
      Dell's ads directly target segments of the market without much consideration to how these ads play more broadly: lollypop ads for inspiron, or the "dude you're getting a dell" when they moved into consumer. Conversely when they wanted to push their IT services arm lots of ads showing big server rooms full of Dells.

      Ad campaigns are specific to the strategy and the issues facing the companies that create them. In Apple's case it has been:
      a) Appeal to a demographic willing to pay more (b) Justify the higher price

      Apple's problem is that this strategy for computer ads are alienating to large segments of the population. They would like to convert people who are iPhone & iPad users over to Macs but they have to do so in a way that doesn't create a backlash. Its not easy. But that doesn't change what the message had been for 30 years.

    51. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's detailed well elsewhere too.
      if views were a metric, then it's successful. but if apple had filmed a turd for 20 seconds and published that as an official advert it would have the highest viewcount on youtube - however I really doubt that would mean it's a successful advert for them in building of their brand image.

      Basically they're Apple adverts, basically.

      This will now happen.

    52. Re:Successful ad campaign is successful by nobodie · · Score: 1

      smarmy, i couldn't sit through all three

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  2. Why is this a subject of debate? by jeffmeden · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Isn't an ad campaign basically a self-measuring practice? Either their sales will go up, or they wont. Why do we need pundits to weigh in on *everything* in the universe? Advertising these days is everywhere and constant, this is like someone criticizing Heinz for making lousy ketchup. Are people buying it? Yes? Then shut the f up and go find something worthwhile to debate.

    1. Re:Why is this a subject of debate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except for the fact that Heinz makes the best ketchup out there, I agree.

    2. Re:Why is this a subject of debate? by MoonFog · · Score: 1

      There are people commenting on the stock market and on NFL games, yet seem to do no better than a coin flip. That said, you can look at these ads in the context Apple has created by its other ads and its image in general. Does it fit with that image? Not really. Well, a lot of Apple users like to identifiy with the "coolness" of Apple and these ads are not cool in any way, shape or form.

    3. Re:Why is this a subject of debate? by x6060 · · Score: 4, Funny

      You big-ketchup shill. Everyone knows Rold Gold is the finest in tomato based confectionery condiments. NO BLOOD FOR KETCHUP!

    4. Re:Why is this a subject of debate? by Dragonslicer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Isn't an ad campaign basically a self-measuring practice? Either their sales will go up, or they wont.

      Half of the money spent on marketing is wasted. The problem is figuring out which half.

    5. Re:Why is this a subject of debate? by kaizendojo · · Score: 1

      I don't think anyone was debating whether the commercials are 'successful' because as you state, sales are the ultimate determiner. The question being debated is taste, and on that count I have to agree with the pundits. I did *physically* cringe when watching them, and what's really sad is that they aren't even as good as the relentlessly annoying (and only half true) Mac vs. PC series.

      What Jobs would think is immaterial. Watching this even made one of the fanboiz in my office start to look at my android a little closer. The fact is, unless Apple pulls a rabbit out their hat with iPhone "next" instead of yet another incremental improvement, he's moving to the droid - and I found he's not the only one considering the swap.

      And as a stockholder, *that* is what *really* makes me cringe!

    6. Re:Why is this a subject of debate? by Hentes · · Score: 1

      It's very hard to determine the effects of an ad camoaign on sales, as the figures are constantly changing and depend on a lot of variables.

    7. Re:Why is this a subject of debate? by redizhot · · Score: 1

      Because they're one of the largest, most controversial brands in the world and ads are a significant way companies brand themselves.

    8. Re:Why is this a subject of debate? by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      Except for the fact that Heinz makes the best ketchup out there, I agree.

      That's the thing; anyone who says "well this marketing campaign is terrible" without numbers behind it (since numbers are easy to come by when it comes to how much of a thing got sold, and when) is basically just sharing their opinion. And who the f cares about what some guy who likes to complain about ads thinks? That would be like me expecting national press for protesting this shit. I know no one else cares about it, that's what slashdot is for.

    9. Re:Why is this a subject of debate? by jeffmeden · · Score: 2

      You big-ketchup shill. Everyone knows Rold Gold is the finest in tomato based confectionery condiments. NO BLOOD FOR KETCHUP!

      You put ketchup on your confections? lol gross. I do NOT want to know what you do with mayonnaise.

    10. Re:Why is this a subject of debate? by steelfood · · Score: 0

      Ketchup is not tomato-based.

      It's actually corn starch-based with red dye.

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    11. Re:Why is this a subject of debate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know if this is a joke or if you just buy some weird off brand, but I highly recommend reading the ingredients list some time if you're being serious. Heinz and Hunts at least for sure are tomato based products.

    12. Re:Why is this a subject of debate? by hkmwbz · · Score: 1

      Isn't an ad campaign basically a self-measuring practice? Either their sales will go up, or they wont.

      Ads are not necessarily about sales. They are frequently used for branding as part of a long-term strategy, and in these cases they are not trying to push for sales right now.

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    13. Re:Why is this a subject of debate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do we need pundits to weigh in on *everything* in the universe?

      You don't have to read it, but you certainly chose to 'weigh in' on this issue when you could just take your own advice and STFU.

      Advertising these days is everywhere and constant, this is like someone criticizing Heinz for making lousy ketchup. Are people buying it? Yes? Then shut the f up and go find something worthwhile to debate.

      Yeah don't criticize anything, just let the market buy it and find out for itself!

  3. Think Different by somersault · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the Think Different Ad: "They push the human race forward."

    By litigating so that their competitors can't sell what may end up being superior products! Yeaaaaaaahhhhhh! Keep pushing the human race forward Apple!

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    1. Re:Think Different by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      remember: they're not about the money, they're about quality.

      (sarcasm).

    2. Re:Think Different by lennier · · Score: 1

      From the Think Different Ad: "They push the human race forward."

      "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot pushing a human face forward... FOREVER."

      (And the memory hole was like beep beep beep and it devoured my Emmanuel Goldstein paper and I was like ehhh? And it was a really good paper. And then the Thought Police burst in. And I was like, bummer.)

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    3. Re:Think Different by jbolden · · Score: 1, Informative

      Just in case anyone is reading this and believing it. Libre Office runs fine on OS X. As does Open Office and there is a Mac interface specific version Neo Office, which is what I'd generally recommend all things being equal. Pages has a strong doc import, Mellel which is a layout based muli lingual word processor which many Mac people have has one as well.... And of course there is also Office for Mac.

      Apple has become the very thing that they despised, back then. One True Way of doing things, and if you don't like it, hit the highway.

      Nonsense. There is far more application and usage diversity among Mac users than among PC users. We don't have anything like standard corporate images.

    4. Re:Think Different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > iPad in the wild, my new roomie has one.

      > Just in case anyone is reading this and believing it ... because clearly, you didn't bother reading it in the first place and decided to comment, anyway.

      >There is far more application and usage diversity
      You're also clueless if you think that a Mac is present in more vertical application markets than the PC. There's a reason MSFT invented VB, and later .NET. Go buy a Shoretel system. It's got Linux, VXWorks, and Windows parts. No Macs. Go by a Mitel system. Linux, Windows. No Mac. Avaya. No Macs in the racks there, either. Cisco? CISCO! Eh, no for Cisco.
      But, perhaps those applications aren't diverse enough for you. How about *all* AT&T's various billing systems. That's as niche as you can get, and... no Macs in it. How about National Grid Electric? They've got TONS of diverse applications, I bet they've got Macs all over the place! Err... no. Not even the Nuke Control Rooms, which run applications that are about as diverse from the norm as you can get, run Macs. Cellular One? Loaded? Not. My local library has a 3D Model Maker, and SolidWorks! MAC? No. But hey, we've got firetrucks and police cars with laptops in them, all running custom software talking over radio modems! Must be MACS! Right? Eh, uh... no, no vendor on the planet would code that crap to run on a Mac.

      Seems your definition of "diverse" is "300 variations of the exact same Fart App". The ACTUAL definition of "diverse" is about where things are used and what things are used for. And quite frankly, if the average Mac user is as STUPID as the ones shown in those ads... well, there's no way such diversity could be possible.

      > We don't have anything like standard corporate images.
      I have no idea what this means. I suspect that you don't, either. You mean to say that a room full of Macs cannot be centrally managed, and instead requires some retard to sit in front of 50 different keyboards to add a new user, or deploy an application? And more, you think that's a benefit?

    5. Re:Think Different by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      OSX? We're talking about iPad. Nice try to distract the conversation.

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    6. Re:Think Different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >made my comments, and resent the file to him
      Any reason you didn't export to PDF instead of being a proprietary format weenie?

    7. Re:Think Different by jbolden · · Score: 1

      You're also clueless if you think that a Mac is present in more vertical application markets than the PC.

      I didn't say that, though Linux might be. What I said was the average user had a more diverse set of applications on their device.

      I have no idea what this means. I suspect that you don't, either. You mean to say that a room full of Macs cannot be centrally managed, and instead requires some retard to sit in front of 50 different keyboards to add a new user, or deploy an application? And more, you think that's a benefit?

      There is OSX server which handled that sort of thing. What's different is the degree to which the system allow for central lockdown. Apple allows for management but is much more hostile towards management control.

    8. Re:Think Different by jbolden · · Score: 1

      OK so on OSX which they see as primary devices you agree they still support freedom. But on devices which are sold exclusively as secondary devices your concerned they don't offer enough diversity? My HP printer's WebOS is even more locked down, guess HP is going fascist too.

      Anyway, iPads have a USB device as their primary interface. It isn't an industry standard USB but he's was right the correct way to load a song is loading it into the computer library and syncing the song to the device either physically or remotely. iPads are not designed to self manage.

      There are about 200 doc viewers on the App store some free, some cost. Quick look technology is on the iPad so you could just write a 20 line script to view .doc files using the OS level support that exists. I assume the majority of iPad users that want to interact heavily with doc files do so via. Pages, which yes is $10.

    9. Re:Think Different by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Does a PDF show inline comments? The idea was, he inserts his comments and send the file back. I'll be honest, I was so shocked that the iPad didn't have a free .DOC viewer worth anything, it didn't occur to me. I just gave up in disgust at that point.

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    10. Re:Think Different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple has become the very thing that they despised, back then.

      where the hell were you? They've ALWAYS been that way. ALWAYS. That's why I've always hated them.

    11. Re:Think Different by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Libre Office runs fine on OS X

      Wow! They have iPads with OS X now? That is something. Where can I get it?

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    12. Re:Think Different by jbolden · · Score: 1
    13. Re:Think Different by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      I assume the majority of iPad users that want to interact heavily with doc files do so via. Pages, which yes is $10.

      So aside from your failed attempt to distract from the point , you agree with the parent post of the quoted post of yours. If you have still not grasped , this is exactly what he was saying.

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    14. Re:Think Different by jbolden · · Score: 1

      No I don't agree with the parent poster. The iPad is a secondary device. Flexibility should be coming from the primary device. The parent poster was failing to understand how to properly use an iOS system, and then complaining that if he used it improperly it didn't do what he wanted.

    15. Re:Think Different by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Parent poster did not say flexibility should not come with "primary device"[sic]. He said iPad doesn't have that flexibility. Which you agree with.

      Your eagerness to earn your shill salary made you see "primary" and "secondary" devices into it. . It is irrelevant to the topic at hand. The example was about iPad, you might get a bonus penny for (pretending to) conflating it with OSX but it will remain a failed attempt to mislead.

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    16. Re:Think Different by jbolden · · Score: 1

      He said iPad doesn't have that flexibility. Which you agree with.

      No I don't agree with that. This is no different than me wanting to view doc files on an Android device and complaining it doesn't work because when I pour soda on it the files don't pop up. You would give me a different procedure and then things would work fine.

        If I wanted to load my iPad full of doc files I'd use my Mac to convert them to a iPad friendly format. And that is the procedure for using an iPad use it as a secondary device.

      If the claim is that the iPad is a bad primary device, well it isn't a primary device at all, so who cares?

    17. Re:Think Different by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Wilfull ignorance gets you guys a lot of perks, I see.

      There is no "primary device" . There is a device, it can or cannot do things. When it can't, saying that it can't is called truth. All this is in non-Apple-shill language.

      Why would I give a different procedure? I would agree that pouring soda does't pop up files. And if there are other devices which support this intetface, they are clearly superior in this regard.

      Most importantly , when someone points out a scenario when pour soda pop files interface would save money/time/effort, i would not invent meaningless terms to justify the extra money/time/effort spending. But then I don't get paid to shill so it is obvious.

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    18. Re:Think Different by jbolden · · Score: 1

      . There is a device, it can or cannot do things

      No you are wrong these is an eco system not a device. Apple doesn't sell raw hardware ever. The iPad can do these things if you use it properly. There is an ecosystem and various parts of the eco system play different roles. The loading files device is iTunes and from there file conversions are really easy. Email is not the appropriate interface for loading files.

      I'm not being a shill by saying that iPad aren't defective because they don't do things the same way Androids do. Heck if that were the case I could just write Android off entirely because they can't use program independent cloud based object databases (like iCloud can).

    19. Re:Think Different by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Sure, write off Android for all I care. What does this have to do with your conflation between iPad and OSX?

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  4. People are talking by wbr1 · · Score: 1

    It is generating buzz. Bad or good, that is the goal of an ad campaign.
    Look at the stupid GEICO commercials. "weeeeeeeeeeee....." that's as annoying as having satan slowly shove rusty nails through your testicles, but people talk about it. Hell, my girlfriend uses the sound bite as a notification message on her phone. I want to throw it at a wall every time she gets a text or tweet.

    That said, I think MS does own the patent on poor tech commercials (Where would you like to go today? Anywhere but here!), so litigation may ensue.

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    1. Re:People are talking by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      GEICO and Progressive ad campaigns generate giggles, but they're being dumped because they actually don't generate any increase in revenue.

      Personally I can't see how anyone thought it was a good move to label Apple technicians "Geniuses". If they were geniuses, they would be doing something useful.

    2. Re:People are talking by vlm · · Score: 1

      I think MS does own the patent on poor tech commercials

      There's prior art.

      Are you old enough to remember Intel's bollywood act done in an imaginary chip fab cleanroom, where suddenly they shut down the line and hundreds of people break out into a disco dance routine?

      Are you old enough to remember the Coleco Adam computer ads from the home computing bubble? One line summary: "What a rainy day; its seems little johnny turned out to be a Fing idiot ... I know what'll fix it, we'll buy him a Adam computer!"

      And, no, on my honor as a 5 digit /. UID holder I am not making this shite up. If I was a video guy I'd post youtube links... probably to rickrolls... maybe you're better off...

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    3. Re:People are talking by wbr1 · · Score: 1

      Oh, I remember those. I was a kid for the Coleco Adam though.

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    4. Re:People are talking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're overrating buzz. Apple is a brand, and brands live and die by their image.

      It's one thing to court controversy and attract people to, say, a bad boy image, but when people point and laugh, it's counterproductive to the brand. A dork in high school can get people talking about him by never showering and smelling like BO 24/7, having acne from never washing his face, and a million other things but it's not going to net him any hot dates.

    5. Re:People are talking by NJRoadfan · · Score: 1

      Another issue with the ads is the depiction of the "Genius". They don't do training like depicted in the ad, their position in the stores is strictly tech support.

    6. Re:People are talking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess most people are able to take the "Genius" label as the marketing gimmick it's intended to be?

      Only geeks worry about nonsensical shit like this. Everyone else moves on with their lives.

    7. Re:People are talking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have classes at the Apple stores. Saw one in progress for iMovie, in fact.

      This is all just the geek community forgetting they are still (and always will be) a niche no sane person cares about. Hollywood has stopped fetishizing geek culture for the most part now, so geeks will (hopefully) fade back into obscurity and keep their OCD/borderline personality disorder ranting to themselves.

    8. Re:People are talking by chispito · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is generating buzz. Bad or good, that is the goal of an ad campaign.

      You don't want to generate buzz by destroying your hard-earned brand identity. Let's compare:

      1) Old campaign "You can intuitively and effortlessly do cool things with our products."
      2) New campaign "You will find yourself in tech emergencies while using our products, from which only a trained professional can save you (even though we used to tell you this only happened to customers of our competitor)."

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    9. Re:People are talking by cffrost · · Score: 1

      Only geeks worry about nonsensical shit like this. Everyone else moves on with their lives.

      So, it's geeks watching Jersey Shore?

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    10. Re:People are talking by Moses48 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Also,
      1) Old campaign "You will be cool and fashionable as an Apple user"
      2) New campaign "Only annoying geeks are Apple genius"

    11. Re:People are talking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're putting too much stock in Neilsen ratings. Typical geek.

    12. Re:People are talking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Geniuses? Nope. I had an Apple laptop disk fail, and took it to the nearest Apple store to see what they would charge to replace. The guy at the Dullard Bar could not answer or look up the answer to the question, so a supervisor came over, responding with a humongous price. So I found a quality replacement online, ordered it. Found the replacement instructions online for my exact model, downloaded and printed that.

      Then I learned why labor cost would be high. 22 screws, in 6-8 different sizes (must use little bowls with labels on them), replaced that sucker, and all was well.

      Do not know how complex a disk swap would be on my current MacBook Pro. I hope not to find out.

    13. Re:People are talking by ravenscar · · Score: 1

      That isn't true. The GEICO and Progressive ad campaigns will continue. They work well for the demographic those insurers are trying to reach - the discount-seeking, direct purchasers. The funny, 'copycat' campaigns by the likes of Allstate and Nationwide are proving to be unsucessful and are being canned in favor of different approaches. Allstate and Nationwide aren't considered discount carriers and they traditionally sell through insurance agents (i.e. not direct to consumers), thus they have a different demographic to reach.

      I wish I could find the link to the article that covers this, but I can't at the moment.

    14. Re:People are talking by Omestes · · Score: 1

      Odd... unless something has changes, it isn't that hard. My girlfriend had a MacBook, and all it took to change the disk was removing the battery and two screws... A little bit more complicated than changing my old HP Pavillion's HDD (one screw and a pull-tab), but doable in around 3 minutes just the same. Much easier than when I upgraded a MacMini (new HDD, RAM, and CPU... ouch.).

      But then again my older iBook had some issues with its HDD (odd issues, since OS X wouldn't boot or install, but Yellow Dog Linux ran just fine, albeit without sound or wifi); and there was basically no way to swap it out.

      Luckily Apple products have a pretty good resale value. So when they die (something common), you can still get good money. My girlfriends MacBook with a burnt out motherboard (and smelling somewhat of Belgian ale) sold for around 60% of what she paid for it two years previous. My franken-MacMini sold for about 75%, and my dead iBook for around 40%. I'm actually sad that we're a Mac free household now, just because of the nice money you can fleece from Apple people when they break.

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    15. Re:People are talking by TheSeatOfMyPants · · Score: 1

      'copycat' campaigns by the likes of Allstate...are proving to be unsucessful...

      I can't imagine why -- doesn't everyone want to join an insurance company that appears to be designed for obnoxious know-it-alls that correct everything other people say until others want to punch them in the face? /facetious

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    16. Re:People are talking by datavirtue · · Score: 2

      I think you are right, it was usually at the word "genius" that I started to cringe.

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    17. Re:People are talking by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Apple stores provide training. They regularly run courses on Apple software. I'm not sure which employees do them, but they have them.

    18. Re:People are talking by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      You could remove the battery!? I want one of those Macs!

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    19. Re:People are talking by mjwx · · Score: 2

      GEICO and Progressive ad campaigns generate giggles, but they're being dumped because they actually don't generate any increase in revenue.

      Such ad campaigns are deliberately designed to be annoying. They know its a negative effect but they also know it gets in your head. You're more likely to remember something you dislike rather than so the theory goes you'll remember the name Progressive or GEICO because you dislike their ads. This unfortunately does work, but not all the time. Most people aren't smart enough to determine why they remember "progressive" let alone make a conscious decision to avoid them because of their annoying ad (more often than not, these are the people who claim "advertising doesn't affect them").

      Personally I can't see how anyone thought it was a good move to label Apple technicians "Geniuses". If they were geniuses, they would be doing something useful.

      Apple thought it did. Apple needs to maintain the image that their products are for the "discerning" and "Intelligent" buyer despite the opposite being true (don't know how to use a computer, get a Mac because they're soooo simple). You cant have such a person serviced by an ordinary technician. No, they have to be serviced by a genius even if all the genius can say is buy a new Mac.

      When you see someone getting out of a BMW in a BMW ad, they are a suave mid 30's business man in well tailored suit, square jaw, slightly ruffled hair, a hint of stubble and possibly an attractive woman in a low cut dress in the passenger side. Why do they use this image instead of Billy-Bob in his latest designer flannel (the on with only two holes in it)? Because BMW need to maintain an image of luxury and exclusiveness despite their cars becoming more common.

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    20. Re:People are talking by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/insurance/story/2012-07-26/insurers-funny-ads/56489910/1

      Looks to me like the big impact here is "you can compare quotes online!" while all the funny stuff is just funny stuff. Some of these places are doing a major image shift; Progressive and Geico don't want to do that, so Progressive is keeping their spokeswench and shifting attention away from her and onto everyone and everything else. She's on-screen, but she's going to become VERY unimportant as they stop trying to make Flo look funny and start talking about how gas prices are so expensive and how annoying it is to spend a lot of money.

      They're dumping the laugh fest strategy in favor of other things.

    21. Re:People are talking by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      It's too gaudy and immediately tells me the whole company is stuck up and full of shit.

  5. No classy ads.... by Kenja · · Score: 1

    Like guys in sparkly clean room suites dancing to Wild Cherry. Or a guy shouting "dude, you got a Dell!".

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    1. Re:No classy ads.... by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Hey, I liked the Dell kid you insensitive clod! I think it was real bullshit, him losing the gig for smoking a bong or whatever.

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  6. the 'Steve Jobs would be appalled' hypothetical by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This inevitably pops up everywhere, but I think it's more symptomatic of a lack of confidence in post-Jobs Apple, producing a self-fulfilling prophecy, than necessarily an independent assessment. Perceptions of Apple have been so closely tied to Jobs for years that evaluation of how smart decision are are strongly influenced by that. There are things that Apple could do today that will get people kvetching about "ugh, if only Steve Jobs were still here he'd never do that", but if Steve Jobs himself had done the identical thing 5 years ago, people would raise an eyebrow, maybe think it's weird, but give him the benefit of the doubt, assuming he knows what he's doing. Basically, people don't trust Apple knows what they're doing the way they trusted jobs, so even things Jobs would've done get that "if only Jobs..." treatment!

    1. Re:the 'Steve Jobs would be appalled' hypothetical by hey! · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, they say the portrait of Jobs in the Apple boardroom shed a tear when the ads were screened. Or maybe they had the AC turned up too high.

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    2. Re:the 'Steve Jobs would be appalled' hypothetical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh noes! poor APPLE is lost without their departed MESSIAH....

    3. Re:the 'Steve Jobs would be appalled' hypothetical by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You know, the funny thing is that if you substitute "Commander Taco" For Jobs and "Slashdot" for Apple, your paragraph still works pretty well.

      Founder effect?

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    4. Re:the 'Steve Jobs would be appalled' hypothetical by flimflammer · · Score: 1

      Apple really only has itself to blame for this. Steve had his hand in so much, they basically built their entire public image around him. Now Steve is gone and the company needs to make all the big boy decisions that Steve would have a big hand in making, using their voice instead of Steve delivering it to eager crowds. It's like trying to make a late sequel to a really good movie. It's likely never going to live up to the predecessor even if it's just as good because nostalgia is just unbeatable.

    5. Re:the 'Steve Jobs would be appalled' hypothetical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but... the ads really suck and that what this tread is about.

    6. Re:the 'Steve Jobs would be appalled' hypothetical by chispito · · Score: 1

      No, they say the portrait of Jobs in the Apple boardroom shed a tear when the ads were screened. Or maybe they had the AC turned up too high.

      I heard the Steve Jobs in that portrait can travel freely to the portrait in his house to get away it all, or send messages in emergencies.

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    7. Re:the 'Steve Jobs would be appalled' hypothetical by Junta · · Score: 1

      The issue being if they did try to de-emphasize Jobs nominally in Apple, they would have been forfeiting opportunity. Jobs' leadership was a large marketable facet of Apple. If they made effort to push it aside, it probably wouldn't have worked.
      For all we know Jobs hasn't had such a siginficant role in decision-making for a while, but for the sake of marketing he continued to be the face of the decisions.

      If without Jobs your company is going to decline, might as well delay the decline so long as possible rather than sacrifice what limited opportunity you have in a misguided effort to be more sustainable.

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    8. Re:the 'Steve Jobs would be appalled' hypothetical by NameIsDavid · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of things that demonstrate that Steve Jobs was human and didn't have perfect taste. Approving the fake wooden iBooks bookcase. Bringing in swatches of Corinthian leather to meeting and insisting that the "Find My Friends" UI replicate the look. And this: http://www.cultofmac.com/163265/steve-jobs-wanted-to-dress-up-as-willy-wonka-provide-tour-of-apple-campus-for-millionth-imac-purchase/ In one article, Jolie O'Dell opined that Apple's use of a multicolored logo was an aesthetic gaffe marking the post-Jobs decline of Apple. Sounds good, except that Apple also used a flashy, multicolored logo at the original iPad unveiling. Misguided predictions like this are easy but usually short on research.

    9. Re:the 'Steve Jobs would be appalled' hypothetical by fafaforza · · Score: 2

      But maybe Jobs' successes were what would affect people's opinion of a poor ad and make them think that *they* are the ones missing something; make them assume that everything was done in a certain because Jobs has such a better idea than the rest of us.

      Here, it's more of a blank slate. Everyone's opinion can remain unbiased by someone's reputation. This ad is something Microsoft would come up. Way too much talking, way too self promoting, too long, etc. Apple ads and design have become known for simplicity and clarity. An ad like this just muddies the water with unnecessary minutiae. The unrealism of this kid wearing "genius" t-shirt on a flight and pompously calling himself "a genius" and not just "an apple genius" won't engender much sympathy from viewers either.

      This is an ad that a focus group of business development consultants would come up with. It is significant in that it might be indicative of whether the same design process will creep into Apple's products in their post-Jobs era.

    10. Re:the 'Steve Jobs would be appalled' hypothetical by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Well one area where Jobs wasn't involved was manufacturing logistics. At NeXT Jobs sucked at it. And when he came back to Apple they had problems. So he handed it of to Cook whose run with it. The fact that Apple has cool products and the fact that Apple can sell them may not be Cook. The fact that they can actually make them fast enough and get them to stores and customers in those quantities....

      I think Cook is trusted, just not for the same things.

    11. Re:the 'Steve Jobs would be appalled' hypothetical by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      I think he could have pulled off the Willy Wonka thing. He was kind of crazy like Willy Wonka.

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    12. Re:the 'Steve Jobs would be appalled' hypothetical by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      When your entire business is built around a cult of personality, it's (wait for it)...mortal as man himself!

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  7. Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who cares?

  8. Yet another critique by Sinister+Stairs · · Score: 1

    http://kensegall.com/2012/07/new-mac-ads-landing-with-a-serious-thud/

    The site belongs to "a creative director who’s had...a long history with Apple," and the blog includes this gem: "I can’t even say this without feeling awful [these ads feel] like something Best Buy would do."

    1. Re:Yet another critique by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, busted: I didn't RTFA to notice it contained the same link I referenced above. Sue me redundant.

  9. Who cares? by DynamoJoe · · Score: 2

    Really, why does this matter?

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    1. Re:Who cares? by just+another+AC · · Score: 1

      This matters because if Apple is starting to make decisions that cheapen its "premium" image, then it is a signal that we could be at a turning point... the 2nd fall of the Apple (and this time no Jobs to pull it back).

      This matters even more if anyone here owns shares in Apple.

    2. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since youve put in enough effort to post a comment, then i say you care. You care.

    3. Re:Who cares? by coldsalmon · · Score: 2

      It matters because it could be a significant blow to Apple's business model, which depends upon being fashionable. People buy Apple products because they think the company and the products are cool, and that buying these products will make the consumer cool as well. It will be a complete disaster for Apple if people start to realize that Apple is not actually cool, and is instead a corporate behemoth engaging in rent-seeking behavior (just like Microsoft). People don't like being tricked.

    4. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple is all about image. If Apple's image as the best changes, then they are basically finished. I'm seriously reconsidering my purchase of an iPhone 5 thanks to this advertisement.

    5. Re:Who cares? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I'm struggling to understand whether you're a troll or just an ignorant fuckwit.

      Deciding to buy an iphone 5 before they've been announced is stupidity in the extreme. It might be fucking shit. It might be an iPhone 4S with a bigger screen but otherwise a year behind the curve on the technology, UI and cost front.

      Conversely it might be the greatest electronic device in history, capable of telephoning all of your friends for free, finding prospective employers for you and predicting the lottery numbers. But no, you don't want one because a fucking advert has received some bad press.

      How about - and I appreciate I'm going out on a limb here - waiting for the next Apple telephone to be announced and deciding at that point whether it meets your needs and would be a sensible purchase.

      Or continue being an ignorant fuckwit and spending your money on whatever's fashionable, cool and makes you feel superior. Which is, lets face it, the modus operandi of most Apple iPhone buyers anyway.

    6. Re:Who cares? by datavirtue · · Score: 1
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    7. Re:Who cares? by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Deciding to buy an iphone 5 before they've been announced is stupidity in the extreme. It might be fucking shit.

      Come on. How likely is that? How often are Apple's products shit? One of the wonderful things about Apple is that you can trust them and not have to be careful and skeptical. I bought the rMBP the day after the announcement, I would have bought the day of but had trouble figuring if I wanted the 512g hd + CPU upgrade for $600 or not. I didn't have to wait for all the detailed reviews, I'd been waiting for something like this for almost 2 years.

    8. Re:Who cares? by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Or continue being an ignorant fuckwit and spending your money on whatever's fashionable, cool and makes you feel superior.

      Hey, it fills a need.

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  10. Remember when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mac's were so easy to use you didn't need to be a genius?

    I think these ads are sending the wrong message.

  11. I agree it's not very Steve Jobs. by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 1

    But Steve Jobs is dead. And he requested people at Apple not spend their time asking "What Would Steve Jobs Do?".

    Also, this advertising, cheesy as it may be, is getting attention. Isn't that what ads are for? To get attention.

    Remember the Mentos ads? 20 years later? Yep. Cheesy? Yep.

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    1. Re:I agree it's not very Steve Jobs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Attention isn't everything. I remember the Mentos ads. They're the reason I've never eaten the candy; they've given me a visceral repulsion to it.

    2. Re:I agree it's not very Steve Jobs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember the Mentos ads? 20 years later? Yep. Cheesy? Yep.

      Part of why I didn't buy Mentos? Yep.

      Look, we're all sorry YOU seem to have this problem with being unable to resist purchasing or otherwise spending money on everything that's advertised to you*, but many of us CAN be put off by an ad and not give any patronage to the product or company being advertised.

      *: We're also aware this, deep down, is why you're so vehemently against targeted advertising.

    3. Re:I agree it's not very Steve Jobs. by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      I picture an awkward silence at the ad screening where everyone is thinking "Would Steve go for this?" However, since it is a big faux pas to ask "What would Steve do," there is no dialog entry for anyone in the room full of group-think to break the ice and ditch that shit.

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    4. Re:I agree it's not very Steve Jobs. by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I remember being repulsed by the packaging and then I saw the commercials that gave the same stale grainy impression and confirmed my suspicions. Plus I tried them once and they were nasty.

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    5. Re:I agree it's not very Steve Jobs. by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Nobody does a Mentos ad like Jean-Claude Van Damme

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  12. Advertising Critic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that's a career to aspire to.

  13. Could'a been worse... by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    They could have gotten Vince Offer to do ads for them. Or Jerry Carroll.

    Or Jerry Seinfeld.

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    1. Re:Could'a been worse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They could have gotten Vince Offer to do ads for them.

      Please explain to me in what way getting Vince Offer to pitch for Apple would be anything less than crazy awesome.

  14. What's the problem? by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

    I don't see the big deal. I just watched the "Basically" ad, and thought it was kinda cute.

    What would these supposed critics prefer? Something like this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqkNPcUMffU

    1. Re:What's the problem? by Junta · · Score: 2

      I only watched mayday, and the thing that struck me was the impression I thought likely was that 'you better hope there's an apple genius around to help use your macbook, or else you will be screwed'. Historically, Apple focused on everyday people being self-sufficient without a lot of complexity, no 'genius' needed.

      That and the tone of the ad just seemed so frantic and unsophisticated somehow.

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    2. Re:What's the problem? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Oh man, that PS3 ad was seriously creepy.

      As an Apple user, I must say I think these new ads suck. They suck when examined from a stand-alone viewpoint; and they doubly suck when you realize they're so much like a couple recent Honda ads it's ridiculous.

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    3. Re:What's the problem? by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      Ah, that's my problem. I don't watch TV, so I'm totally out of the loop in ads. The few ads I see when I'm out and about almost universally make me go WTF anyway, so I didn't realize.... ;)

    4. Re:What's the problem? by datavirtue · · Score: 1
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    5. Re:What's the problem? by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Watch out! The anti-anti-TV league may be lurking around waiting for someone who doesn't watch TV to mention that they don't watch TV so they can post that onion article again and freak out.

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  15. Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The myth that more the eyeball, more successful the ad is just that, a myth. Pushed ad nauseum by mindless bots like you.

    It's partially true, in some case only, and only for those who want their names to be remembered (one way or the other). Apple is already a known brand. They don't need this.

    In fact, this ad is just depicting mac users as the most idiotic people on the earth. And for a chance, Apple actually made ads that's based on fact. Irony is that it's backfiring.

    1. Re:Wrong by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      The myth that more the eyeball, more successful the ad is just that, a myth. Pushed ad nauseum by mindless bots like you.

      It's not totally untrue. Brand awareness does help sales. If people are looking for a product of a certain type, they are more likely to buy one from a company that they have heard of than one that they haven't.

      In the case of Apple, however, it's a pointless goal. Everyone who hasn't been living under a rock for the past decade has heard of Apple. They've also probably heard of Nokia, Samsung, and Dell. An advert for a company in this situation needs to say more than 'we exist and are in this market!' it needs to say 'our products are good for these reasons.'

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    2. Re:Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He bothered to log in.

    3. Re:Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And so what? So all AC are now defaulted to "-1"?

    4. Re:Wrong by Omestes · · Score: 1

      And a lot of us refuse to mod up AC posts, even if they deserve it. Fair trade off, you get to be anonymous, and people who aren't get the karma. You should feel lucky that people actually read it, some of us generally screen out AC posts (much higher level of noise to signal than non-AC posts).

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    5. Re:Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's partially true

      It's not totally untrue

      This is why I come to Slashdot.

    6. Re:Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      S'true. I have mod points and am modding this thread, and I'm ignoring AC's unless they've really got something interesting to say.
      It's not that I won't mod AC's up, I just hold them to a higher standard. So someone logging in to paraphrase your post will get 'your' mod points.

  16. the ad campaigns were insulting by SuperBanana · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's insulting, as a male, to see a husband portrayed as a complete ditz; if they'd done it with a woman, there would have been hell to pay, or people wouldn't have thought it was funny. Look at the idiot man, everyone!

    As a techie, I found the way the Genius acts to show someone who is practically codependent. They're not people - they're apparently robots who spend their entire lives wherever they are, serving as customer service agents?

    1. Re:the ad campaigns were insulting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blame television sitcoms. It seems like for the last few decades, in any sitcom with a family, the husband is a complete ditz. Perhaps this is just a role reversal from earlier shows like All In The Family where the wife was a complete ditz.

      Yeah, the ads suck horribly, but they'll probably end up increasing sales, simply because they appeal to a different demographic. One that doesn't want to think, let alone think different.

    2. Re:the ad campaigns were insulting by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 1

      It's insulting, as a male, to see a husband portrayed as a complete ditz; if they'd done it with a woman, there would have been hell to pay, or people wouldn't have thought it was funny. Look at the idiot man, everyone!

      This has been a pattern in sit-coms for a while -- doofus husband, whip-smart wife.

      I think that men who object to this will certainly get less attention than women who object to bimbo-esque female characters. That said, I also think that the ultimate arbiter is the audience, not political correctness. This content is directed at women, who represent a large consumer demographic which was ignored for a long time. There are still plenty of ditzy women characters in male-oriented entertainment.

    3. Re:the ad campaigns were insulting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If idiot men are off-limits and idiot women are off-limits, then you won't be able to portray idiots on TV at all. Unless it's Pat, I suppose.

    4. Re:the ad campaigns were insulting by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      This has been a pattern in sit-coms for a while -- doofus husband, whip-smart wife.

      And to be more specific, it is an overweight, white guy that is the doofus.

      You don't see this with Asians, Hispanics or Blacks....at least not with a mixed set of actors, if it is mixed the white guy is the dumb one. If an all Black show for instance, you will sometimes seen the doofus male...

      It is political correctness in general, you can't make fun of anyone, besides straight white mails. Family Guy, while making fun of white males..is about the only exception to the rule I stated above...I've been amazed how they do seem to get by with so much, that is not seen on any other television show currently out today.

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    5. Re:the ad campaigns were insulting by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      I agree. I caught part of the "husband's wife is having a baby so he consults an Apple Genius at home" ad and all I could think was: How stupid is this dad-to-be if his first thought when his wife went into labor was "I need to consult my local Apple Genius on making a multimedia presentation or something."

      Then again, husbands and fathers are often portrayed on TV as being idiots who don't know anything and with whom the beautiful and intelligent wives/mothers have to put up with. One time I caught part of a sitcom where the dad was the smart one (having no income due to a strike, opted not to buy a new TV set) and the wife did the stupid move (bought the expensive new TV set after they agreed not to). I thought it was refreshing until a news program suddenly came on in the sitcom explaining that the strike was over and everyone had their job back. Suddenly, the wife was shown as the smart one (despite having made the wrong decision based on the information they had at the time) and the husband apologized to her. So even when the wives do stupid things and husbands do smart things in sitcoms, the wives are still right and the husbands are still wrong.

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    6. Re:the ad campaigns were insulting by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 1

      This has been a pattern in sit-coms for a while -- doofus husband, whip-smart wife.

      And to be more specific, it is an overweight, white guy that is the doofus.

      You don't see this with Asians, Hispanics or Blacks....at least not with a mixed set of actors, if it is mixed the white guy is the dumb one. If an all Black show for instance, you will sometimes seen the doofus male...

      Disagree. It is still not (or rather, no longer) open season on ethnic and racial stereotypes, but in most family oriented sit-coms, the husband is usually hapless and husky, regardless of skin color.

      Again, this has to do with snaring eyeballs for advertisers by presenting images that appeal to the most potentially lucrative demographics. PC-types might make the loudest fuss, but I see no evidence that TV writers are listening. Which makes sense, because uptight liberals a) don't watch TV and b) don't by Hamburger Helper, much less at Walmart).

    7. Re:the ad campaigns were insulting by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 2

      One time I caught part of a sitcom where the dad was the smart one (having no income due to a strike, opted not to buy a new TV set) and the wife did the stupid move (bought the expensive new TV set after they agreed not to). I thought it was refreshing until a news program suddenly came on in the sitcom explaining that the strike was over and everyone had their job back. Suddenly, the wife was shown as the smart one (despite having made the wrong decision based on the information they had at the time) and the husband apologized to her. So even when the wives do stupid things and husbands do smart things in sitcoms, the wives are still right and the husbands are still wrong.

      The ultimate message of this scenario is not men are dumb and women are smart, it is that that consumption is good and women can be suckered into consuming by presenting them with patronizing hat-tips to their innate wisdom. Given that, is it men or women who are getting the short shrift?

    8. Re:the ad campaigns were insulting by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Blame television sitcoms. It seems like for the last few decades, in any sitcom with a family, the husband is a complete ditz.

      Go back and watch some of the Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet episodes from the 50s and 60s. It's the same situation - the husband is a ditz, and the wife spends most of her time sorting things out after his screw-ups.

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    9. Re:the ad campaigns were insulting by steelfood · · Score: 1

      These "geniuses" also wear this blue polo that's reminscient of, well, the other major OS company that uses blue as it's primary marketing color.

      I wonder if the editing was done on a Windows box...

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    10. Re:the ad campaigns were insulting by Boronx · · Score: 1

      Tracy Morgan

    11. Re:the ad campaigns were insulting by SmurfButcher+Bob · · Score: 1

      Well, Apple is just going back to it's roots - "Computers for the Rest of Us". You know, the ones too stupid to handle a two button mouse.

      It's pretty sad when the core premise behind your purchase decision is that you're a simpleton. It gets more sad when there's an entire market of such people, and a company can reach Apple's size by selling to it based on that premise. And it makes me vomit that the definition of "Genius" has been lowered to that of some f*wad tier-1 tech support who demonstrates a no-help-needed userland app.

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  17. Sorry Apple, by BlueTak · · Score: 1

    As french, I've got a patent on cheesy ads..

  18. "The Problem with Apple ... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    ... is that they have no taste."

    (then again, I can think of some TV shows they could air this on where it would be over the heads of their audience. Perhaps they're expanding down-market to people who wouldn't recognize Cesar Chavez. People with no taste have money to spend on computers too.)

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  19. First Justin Long... by wjousts · · Score: 1

    ...now this d-bag. Come on Apple. Spare us.

  20. The take-away by mwvdlee · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Apple customers need help for even the simplest thing on their Apple computer.
    Apple customers lack common sense.
    Apple customers don't even know what an Apple computer is.

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    1. Re:The take-away by Nixoloco · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Apple customers need help for even the simplest thing on their Apple computer. Apple customers lack common sense. Apple customers don't even know what an Apple computer is.

      The ads aren't for Apple's current customers. They are designed to reassure users thinking about switching to the Mac that they will have support. If Apple wants to expand their market share, it can only come from PC/Windows users.

    2. Re:The take-away by DeeEff · · Score: 1

      If Apple wants to expand their market share, it can only come from PC/Windows users.

      Now do you mean to tell me, that Apple has no interest in one of the 6 Hurd users? The 3 Haiku users?

    3. Re:The take-away by Junta · · Score: 2

      Before the message was consistently 'you won't need support, our stuff is so effortless'. That's a much more compelling sort of message to send. The frantic tone of these ads actually evokes a message more like 'our experience is just like everyone else's'. Maybe you say that's a necessary midset to entertain to play in the same game as the other PC manufacturers, but if image-wise they are on equal footing, they will lose on pricing. Otherwise, they start being price competitive in which case their widely envied margins get flushed down the drain.

      The PC/Windows market may not be worth it.

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  21. Are they as deceptive as past iPhone ads? by lee1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    If they are basically truthful, then they are improving on their record.

  22. At least it's accurate by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 1

    In my country, most Apple users *are* ingratiating, smug and condescending. Out of the whole Unix lot of the self-righteous, they take the cake.

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    1. Re:At least it's accurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let not group the Apple users together with the Unix/Linux people. That's insulting to the Unix/Linux crowd. We know how our systems work, and when their are issues we research and find solutions without hand holding and we do not crawl to a store for help. Sometimes help does come from someone in a T-shirt, but it would be someone with a cool shirt that's not fruity.

    2. Re:At least it's accurate by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      We know how our systems work, and when their are issues we research and find solutions without hand holding and we do not crawl to a store for help.

      I can see why Unix/Linux has such a bad reputation with regards to documentation.

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    3. Re:At least it's accurate by jbolden · · Score: 1

      ingratiating, smug and condescending

      Yep and Apple ads for 30 years have been appealing to the smug and condescending. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYP1Tjgt1Ao
      Coke doesn't run a 30 year campaign that the only reason someone would drink Pepsi is because they are unenlightened about the advantages of Coke.

      That being said... SGI users put Apple users to shame in the smug and condescending department.

  23. Those are eerily similar in tone by AmazingRuss · · Score: 1

    ... to the windows launch party videos. We have the incompetent boomer with laptop, and the geeky guy... all we're lacking is the black guy and the mom.

    Yeesh. Who vets these things?

  24. This matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone is watching the transition of the company from Jobs to Cook. Along the way they're allowed a few slips here and there, but they must know when to retract and when to push back.

    I for one hope they don't just live with this, pull it, and put something worthy out there.

  25. An Apple Geniusly by uigrad_2000 · · Score: 1

    If you take "Think Differently" and change the adverb to an adjective, it becomes "Think Different".

    I'm not normally annoyed by small grammatical errors, but when it's a multi-million dollar ad campaign, it really drives me crazy. I figured that the campaign worked only because the grammatical error caused people to repeat the phrase in their head multiple times in an effort to reconcile the error (ie. "maybe it will sound okay if I stress the syllables differently"). Repetition builds recognition.

    Now that they've started the precedent of incorrect grammar, they should continue it. Genius could be changed from a noun to an adverb, for example.

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    1. Re:An Apple Geniusly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you asked someone what the new WTC looked like and they responded "think big" would tell them they should have said "think bigly?", no, because it's a description not a command. Think Different is a description of an Apple computer not a command to the viewer. Why do all grammar pedants think it's an order? do you have a submissive mentality and assume everyone is telling you what to do? and being a pedant is your little way of being passive aggressive back against the world that tells you what to do? Grammar pedants are creepy people. See a shrink.

    2. Re:An Apple Geniusly by FatAlb3rt · · Score: 1

      If you take "Think Differently" and change the adverb to an adjective, it becomes "Think Different".

      I'm not normally annoyed by small grammatical errors, but when it's a multi-million dollar ad campaign, it really drives me crazy. I figured that the campaign worked only because the grammatical error caused people to repeat the phrase in their head multiple times in an effort to reconcile the error (ie. "maybe it will sound okay if I stress the syllables differently"). Repetition builds recognition.

      Now that they've started the precedent of incorrect grammar, they should continue it. Genius could be changed from a noun to an adverb, for example.

      You've got mail!

    3. Re:An Apple Geniusly by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Ah.... but "Think Different" reads perfectly fine if you take it as meaning that it is implying the existence of an unstated noun, and "different" is not intending to describe how the thinking is done, but rather describing whatever it is that is being thought about.

      You don't say "Think largely" when telling somebody to envision something of potentially grand size or stature, for example. You say "Think big". While it's true that ordinarily the words may be gramatically incorrect, in context they are actually entirely valid.

    4. Re:An Apple Geniusly by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      I always thought that should have been Think 'Different'. With a little pause between the two words.

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    5. Re:An Apple Geniusly by Johann+Lau · · Score: 1

      If you asked someone what the new WTC looked like and they responded "think big" would tell them they should have said "think bigly?", no, because

      ... the adverb of the adjective "big" is.... "big".

      Think Different is a description of an Apple computer

      That makes zero sense.. and judging by the randomness of your rant I'm pretty sure that deep inside you know that, too.

    6. Re:An Apple Geniusly by kencurry · · Score: 1

      Ah.... but "Think Different" reads perfectly fine if you take it as meaning that it is implying the existence of an unstated noun, and "different" is not intending to describe how the thinking is done, but rather describing whatever it is that is being thought about.

      Exactly. it's not suggesting the "how" but the "what." . Plus it had that "made you think about it" quality.

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  26. This is as bad as... by Seumas · · Score: 1

    This was as painful to watch as the "Dude, you're gettin' a Dell!" commercials, used to be. Maybe more painful, because I actually grew to have a bit of an affinity for Apple products from OSX on-ward. Blech.

    1. Re:This is as bad as... by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Dude you're getting a Dell was an incredibly successful ad campaign for what Dell thought they wanted. They had to break out of their boring office / corporate image and make themselves players in consumer. They needed something non corporate and the pot head skateboarder worked wonderfully.

      The fact that a decade later people still know the campaign...

  27. Think Different by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Yeah, sure, this is an astroturf post. Why else would it repeat Apple's words, as well as provide links to all the appropriate ads? You know, they intentionally make lame ads like this to "encourage" social media discussion. The worst ad is the one that nobody talks about.

    Enough about that, let's examine Apple's most famous ad, "1984". Read the text, while thinking (differently) about the kind of company that Apple is in 2012.

    "Today, we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directives.
    We have created, for the first time in all history, a garden of pure ideology.
    Where each worker may bloom secure from the pests of contradictory and confusing truths.
    Our Unification of Thoughts is more powerful a weapon than any fleet or army on earth.
    We are one people, with one will, one resolve, one cause.
    Our enemies shall talk themselves to death and we will bury them with their own confusion.
    We shall prevail!"

    How ironic, eh? Apple has become the very thing that they despised, back then. One True Way of doing things, and if you don't like it, hit the highway.

    I'm a late adopter, for very good reasons I won't go into here. I recently saw my first iPad in the wild, my new roomie has one. I had some cool Cajun mp3s he wanted, so I gave him my USB stick to transfer the files. I even GAVE him the actual CD that I purchased from the hand of the artist himself, to keep, as I didn't particularly care for the music and he loved it. Oops! The iPad doesn't have a USB port. He explained he had to do everything by iTunes. Bummer, eh?

    Next, he was going for a new job, and wanted me to look over his contract. He sent me the .DOC file by email, and I annotated it using Libre Office's "CTRL-ALT-C comment" function. I highlighted the parts of the contract I thought should be changed, made my comments, and resent the file to him. Oops! Turns out, there's no free .DOC reader that will show those comments. His brother ended up loading the files onto his PC and sending him JPG screenshots. I'm sure if he wanted to pay $19.99, there would be some sort of solution to his problem. Again, a garden of pure ideology, secure from the pests of contradictory and confusing truths.

    Jeez, the entire Apple motto, "Think Different", is a riff on IBM's motto, "Think". Let's all think differently and ignore the obvious grammatical error. Oof, how outdated! It's like how Texas A&M defines themselves by the rivalry to UT, and has no personality without it...now they're in different conferences. Awkward.

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  28. orly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those commercials are cheesy indeed, but imho Apple commercials always were. Only explanation i can came up with for this reception is that the reality distortion field is wearing off.

    1. Re:orly? by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 1

      Or their attempts to appeal to a broader, less hip demographic is annoying the traditional recipients of their cheesy appeals, who didn't mind it as long as it was stroking their different thinking egos.

    2. Re:orly? by kencurry · · Score: 1

      Or their attempts to appeal to a broader, less hip demographic is annoying the traditional recipients of their cheesy appeals, who didn't mind it as long as it was stroking their different thinking egos.

      You mean our "think different" egos. Why can't you haters get your shit together!? (This was sarcasm, BTW)

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    3. Re:orly? by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 1

      You mean our "think different" egos.

      Shhh! You want to get sued!?

  29. Everyone move along by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing to see here.

  30. iWOPR by eguaj · · Score: 1

    The guy from this ads reminds me of David Lightman (played by Matthew Broderick) from the "Wargames" movie.

  31. #8 by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    #8 in the article states that IT World asked its users if they simply want to punch that genius guy in the face, lol. I think the geniuses overall have a worse customer satisfaction rating than Geek Squad (as read on slashdot) so even before the commercial aired, I think people wanted to do that. But anyway, the really funny thing is I absolutely guarantee you they won't do that he's doing in that commercial, on an airplane or in the store. They won't help you with a specific, 1 time project you're working on in iMovie. They'll tell you in general how to use it but won't basically assemble a slideshow for you. Great job, Apple.

    1. Re:#8 by AdrianKemp · · Score: 1

      You think wrong.

      Apple customer support is generally regarded as some of the best in the world, and most definitely the best in tech.

  32. Videos by Useless · · Score: 1

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  33. Re: the idiot man by bbbaldie · · Score: 1

    Try being a southern white male. With the notable, rare exception of Matthew Mcconaughey, a white male with a southern drawl is invariably portrayed in the movies as either a wife beater, a racist, a child abuser, a drunk, or as simply stupid. More often it's a combination of all five.

  34. You're not paying attention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The husband/dominant male in EVERY AD is an idiot. His wife is either just normal, or considerably more intelligent.

  35. Mission Accomplished by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Apple marketing department is just using the effective tactic of suggesting to Apple users that they are smarter than they really are, just because they use Apple products. XD

  36. The real truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The ads are targeted at non-geeks, to teach non-geeks basic computer skills, and in the geek community that is worse than 17 Hitlers because geeks are, mostly, people with various personality and mental disorders.

    1. Re:The real truth by Junta · · Score: 1

      I'd say the failure is that it suggests you need to either be or have the help of a genious to understand and use the product. This is a departure from the previous messaging that was pretty consistently suggesting a self-sufficient experience for the common person. It wasn't saying everyone had to be geeks, it was saying no one had to be a geek or even needed a geek to help them.

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  37. Re: the idiot man by neonmonk · · Score: 1

    If the shoe fits...

  38. Re: the idiot man by bbbaldie · · Score: 1
    Good point. Let's see, all Irish are drunks, all Frenchmen are arrogant, all Orientals are bad drivers, all blacks are lazy, and the only person I ever knew as neonmonk was a dipshit.

    Got it! :-)

  39. Apple's Target Audience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For some reason people think that Apple's core audience / market are techies. Apple has always been about bringing technology to the masses. The genius just reinforces that vision. The people who buy Apple products do not want to tinker. They want a product that works and for some reason it doesn't work they want someone to fix it or someone to talk to.

    Think about the Mac vs PC campaign. The entire campaign pointed out all the things that people hated about Windows.

  40. Re: the idiot man by WilyCoder · · Score: 1

    You just complained about southern while males being labeled racist and then YOU WENT AND SAID RACIST THINGS.

  41. The ads are fantastic by AdrianKemp · · Score: 1

    - Within 2-3 seconds you know exactly what Apple is marketing with these ads (which is not the computers, but the software and support network surrounding computers).

    - There are no god-awful sex appeal tactics

    - They get the point across very clearly (when you buy an apple, you can count on a uniform and cultivated support network, and usability out of the box)

    - They don't have actors/actresses with horribly annoying catch phrases or voices to try to "stand out".

    This ad campaign is completely fantastic. They know they don't need to build the mac brand; they also know that they have to make very clear what makes them special.

    1. Re:The ads are fantastic by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 1

      - There are no god-awful sex appeal tactics

      At least I can get some low-brow entertainment out of such tactics. Apple's appeal to the preciousness and wisdom of consumer product purchasers (whoopty-friggin-do, its a computer/phone) do nothing for me.

    2. Re:The ads are fantastic by AdrianKemp · · Score: 1

      You make the self-righteous mistake of assuming they were talking to you.

    3. Re:The ads are fantastic by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 1

      You make the self-righteous mistake of assuming they were talking to you.

      Which "they"?

      I think you make the mistake WRT what Apple is selling. Though, ironically, "self-righteousness" is a large component.

    4. Re:The ads are fantastic by AdrianKemp · · Score: 1

      Your ignorance and stupidity aside, you know perfectly well they you're wrong here. That means this conversation is over.

  42. Apple Geniuses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're spotlighting the people that earn ~$12.00 an hour in commercials that are supposed to help you with your newly purchased $1000 computer.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/24/business/apple-store-workers-loyal-but-short-on-pay.html?_r=2&src=me&ref=general&pagewanted=all

  43. Yeah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WON'T SOMEBODY STICK UP FOR THE WHITE MIDDLE-CLASS MALE?

    Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.
    Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

  44. Re: the idiot man by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 1

    With the notable, rare exception of Matthew Mcconaughey, a white male with a southern drawl is invariably portrayed in the movies as either a wife beater, a racist, a child abuser, a drunk, or as simply stupid. More often it's a combination of all five.

    Except on CMT. Oh, and on Fox News.

    Matthew Mcconaughey is frequently cast as a simpleton (albeit with a heart of gold).

    On the other hand, how soon we forget the "two modern day Robin Hoods"

  45. Just by oldmac31310 · · Score: 2

    some dorky ads. Nothing to see here. Move along.

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  46. Re: the idiot man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the shoe fits...

    Shoes are a Yankee thang.

  47. Why not? by Vyse+of+Arcadia · · Score: 1

    They've already completely captured the hipster, coffee-shop, pseudo-intellectual market with their past advertising campaigns. Might as well go for a different demographic that didn't buy in to their weird-and-kinda-snobby aesthetic.

  48. The Right Way (TM) by JBMcB · · Score: 1

    Look at their old ads - Full screen shot of an iPad. "Here's what you can do on an iPad." with a simple piano jingle behind it. Fade to Apple logo. The End. The right way to do an ad.

    The wrong way includes that Motorola ad where the guy pilots a mech/spaceship with an Android tablet, the ad with the spinning razor death phones slicing through a city, and pretty much anything else involving jumping off buildings, talking to aliens, shooting lasers, robots or cyborgs.

    These latest ads veer into the latter category.

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    1. Re:The Right Way (TM) by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      I dunno, I kinda like the new Fibre One Bar ads.

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  49. Oh, Slashdot by glwtta · · Score: 1

    I love that the story isn't "Apple made some shitty ads", but rather "people are mean to Apple (because of their shitty ads)".

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  50. Embarrassed to be a Genius by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    As an Apple Genius I can honestly say I would never in a million years wear my Apple uniform outside of work. Also, if they announced the need for an Apple Genius on an airplane I would sink so far into my seat that I'd be invisible. If one of my misguided travel companions volunteered me I'd probably cause the plane to crash by stuffing them into the engines.

    Also, techie people when you go to the Genius Bar try not to be so insufferable. Yes, you probably do know more about computers than me. No I've never written a line of code in my life. I'm just a guy trying to do a good job.

    Wish I didn't have to post this as AC.

    1. Re:Embarrassed to be a Genius by Cederic · · Score: 1

      No I've never written a line of code in my life.

      Try it, you might find it fun.

      Worse case, you can at least tell people, "Yes, I can code, but it's not my thing. I'd rather be helping people deal with their computer problems face to face.."

  51. Re: the idiot man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try being a southern white male. With the notable, rare exception of Matthew Mcconaughey, a white male with a southern drawl is invariably portrayed in the movies as either a wife beater, a racist, a child abuser, a drunk, or as simply stupid. More often it's a combination of all five.

    Try being Scottish - your choice is a drunk, a heroin addict or Sean Connery.....

  52. These are going to sell a lot of Macs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    These ads will work, and they will work well.

    The only people pissed off by them are confirmed anti-Apple geeks anyway. But none of you are lost sales because you weren't going to buy Macs ever anyhow. You don't matter.

    But my Mom matters. She can switch platforms on a dime. And now my Mom is going to want to buy a goddamned Mac. Lovely.

    See, they're not selling computers, they're selling a Matthew Broderick clone. Moms like Matthew Broderick clones. Mine does anyway.

    Apple has seen the light, and the light is telling them that when you're trying to dominate the Mass Market, then the way to do it is not to woo the niche hipster crowd, (who, by the way, will not be dissuaded in the slightest by these ads as they've already heavily emotionally invested in Apple and so will bend over backwards to forgive them any slight,) but rather, you need to charm the normals.

    Cuz, you see, when people self-identify with the products, how many Moms are going to say, "Yes, I'm chic and cool. That's who I am."?

    Exactly. None.

    Apple didn't drop the ball here at all. They hired smart people who will sell a lot of Macs for them.

    1. Re:These are going to sell a lot of Macs by hkmwbz · · Score: 1

      Cuz, you see, when people self-identify with the products, how many Moms are going to say, "Yes, I'm chic and cool. That's who I am."?

      No, they are going to say "if I use this product, I will be cool." Apple has been branding itself as something that makes you cool. This ad makes Apple uncool. You won't be cool by using their products. You'll either be an annoying geek or a complete moron.

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  53. Your gettin a Dell, dude! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These ads are worse than the "You're gettin' a Dell, dude!" commercials. I'm almost embarrassed to be seen with anything Apple now. And Apple touts ease of use, but now they show a need for an Apple Genius to do basic tasks like edit some photos?! WTF??

  54. Coming up at 11: Apple isn't perfect by sootman · · Score: 1

    - Hocky-puck mouse
    - G4 Cube
    - The iPod shuffle without buttons

    Seriously people -- they're doing pretty well but they aren't perfect.

    Besides, who gives a fuck what CRITICS think of ads? In 3 months, Apple will know if the ads worked or not, and then we'll see more of them, or we won't.

    Jeez. Slow news day?

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  55. You are not the audience by Alomex · · Score: 1

    I was told by an ad executive that about half of the TV ads are directed at the employees, not the customers, with the sole intention of rising morale among their working masses. Studies have shown that they are way more effective than increasing the employee's salaries by the cost of the commercial campaign.

    Next time you see a commercial pay attention and it is easy to tell who the target audience is. In the case of the cheesy apple ads, clearly the target are the teenagers working at the Apple store.

  56. PUNCH the KEYS! by Thud457 · · Score: 1
    You dropped your link :

    Sean Connery....

    You don't want to be in violation of S2000.YTMND, now do you? I sure know I don't.

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  57. Re: the idiot man by Boronx · · Score: 1

    The prejudice against the southern accent is deep. I found it in myself at the my first tech job, taking tech support calls. If the caller had a southern accent, I'd immediately think they were stupid. It took me awhile to get over it.

    Now I notice it everywhere in show biz with stereotypes, but also online with people insulting strangers just based off their accents.

  58. Re: the idiot man by Boronx · · Score: 1

    Notice they didn't have much of an accent.

  59. I don't see what the deal is by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

    Are they some of the most iconic ads ever? Nope, not all Apple ads are. They're not the worst ads either. They're just average imo. But now eveyone is aparently talking about them and making them more valuable than they should be. So I guess they're better ads than I would have assumed.

  60. Re: the idiot man by bbbaldie · · Score: 1

    And the sarcasm went (whoosh)

  61. Re: the idiot man by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 1

    Notice they didn't have much of an accent.

    No, but they did have a giant Confederate flag painted on the roof of their car!

  62. Right, because all Apple ads used to be perfect. by RoverDaddy · · Score: 1

    Have we all forgotten about Ellen Feiss: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2-UuIEOcss

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  63. Re: the idiot man by Grudge2012 · · Score: 0

    Now I notice it everywhere in show biz with stereotypes, but also online with people insulting strangers just based off their accents.

    Must be quite a strong accent if it gets noticed online ...