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Papa John's Sued For Unwanted Pizza-Related Texts
jfruh writes "Nationwide pizza chain Papa John's is finding itself on the receiving end of a $250 million text spam lawsuit. From the article: 'Seattle law firm Heyrich Kalish McGuigan, representing three Papa John's customers, alleged that the pizza delivery service has sent 500,000 unwanted text messages to customers. If the court finds that Papa John's violated the U.S. Telephone Consumer Protection Act, the pizza maker could have to pay damages of $500 per text message, or US$250 million, one of the largest damage awards under the 1991 law, the law firm said.
"Many customers complained to Papa John's that they wanted the text messages to stop, and yet thousands of spam text messages were sent week after week," Donald Heyrich, attorney for the plaintiffs said in a statement. "This should be a wake-up call to advertisers. Consumers do not want spam on their cell phones."'
to just have pirated 3 movies and be done with it.
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Companies should honor requests for people to be able to opt out of their text messaging programs. I used to work in a call center supporting a major cellular carrier and their devices. The most common problem people called about was text messages they did not want and needed help in stopping. All we could do was educate the customer on how to opt out of the text messaging spam. This was one year ago. I left and never looked back.
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Real spam, real annoying: Papa John's
I wouldn't call that crud pizza. Fake mozz? Hell, every pizzeria around here uses the real thing, whole-milk mozzarella.
-uso.
What you hear in the ear, preach from the rooftop Matthew 10.27b
The law says that you aren't allowed to spam cell phones with commercial advertisements. No opt out necessary.
Just as info for those who don't know these morons.
"Before the election Papa John’s CEO John Schnatter, a big Romney supporter, was one of the highest profile CEOs threatening layoffs and pizza price hikes (god forbid!) if Obama won. He doubled down after the election, like the Vegas man saying he’d start making layoffs and reducing hours at Papa John’s locations rather than having to provide healthcare for people working more than 30 hours per week."
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/190955/idiots-line-up-to-thank-papa-johns-for-screwing-them-out-of-healthcare/
If they offered a spam topping on their pizza then I'll be interested.
Little rectangular squares of ambrosia..mmmmm.....pizza....
I used to get texts from Pizza Hut until I asked them to stop. However if Papa John ignored their own "stop" requests they shouldn't be surprised if they get fined (mind you $500 per text is a bit excessive).
Whole-milk? Real mozzarella is made from buffalo milk.
Not to be nitpicky but proper Mozzarella is made from (European) buffalo milk. Not that cheap cow stuff.
Not every lactation of any bovine will do for proper Mozzarella.
But anything is better than that horrid cheese analogue they stir together from second rate fat, rotting skunks and paint.
20 minutes into the future
What I imagine happened is this: A marketing firm contacts Papa John's marketing about spamming sms, convinces them its a great idea.
Marketing arm of Papa Johns goes ahead on its own, resulting in this case.
At no point was any technical, legal or compliance arm of Papa Johns consulted, where they would have found people who know about this stuff due to existing business relationships with above-board SMS platform providers who would have informed them of the legal requirements for operating a sms service (opt-ins, requirement for STOP handling, etc).
Anonymous because the stuff in bold is true.
This won't go to trial, it will be settled beforehand. The case is that unwinnable for Papa Johns.
It will cost the pizza drivers, not so much the company.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
"Consumers do not want spam"
FTFY
The pizza drivers pay for the ingredients, lose from the lack of space in the oven for genuine customers' pizzas etc? The drivers are paid anyway - all they're losing is the tip. But yeah, if you work for that sort of company there'll be disadvantages at all levels.
Man, it really sucks that Papa Johns would do crap like that, with the texting and threats of layoffs and reduced hours. What a cheapskate that guy is. Too bad they make the best pizza out of the three big chains. Now I might have to consider not eating it on ideological grounds.
Jerks.
Couldn't happen to a "nicer" guy. He was so angry about the $0.14 per pizza he would have to spend to give his employees healthcare coverage that he will now be paying out the equivalent on healthcare costs for an entire state and with nothing to show for it.
Oops.
Stupid is as stupid does.
Seems to me the company that Papa John's (or it's franchisees) hired to run the campaign is responsible for deciding who gets the messages... Unless, of course, there is a document from Papa John's or it's franchisees directing the third-party to either ignore requests to remove numbers from the campaign OR instructed the vendor to send text messages to anyone without regard for their desire to receive such messages.
I find it hard to believe that either Papa John 's or it's franchisees would be dumb enough to write such instruction to the third-party running the campaign.
Ken
I'm going to order so many pizzas to be sent to random addresses with the name "sam spam" etc they're likely to get the message pretty quickly.
Be sure to order a spam, spam, spam, spam, cheese, tomato and spam topping.
No sig today...
I don't want spam, I want pepperoni!
he pizza maker could have to pay damages of $500 per text message, or US$250 million, one of the largest damage awards under the 1991 law...
That would have bought some health care for their employees.
According to Forbes magazine, it would cost Papa Johns 5 cents per pizza to provide health care to their employees.
http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2012/11/14/Forbes-Papa-Johns-ACA-cost-5-cents/UPI-54101352940627/
It never was about the nickle and it never was. Most species of apes, specifically the males, assert their sexual dominance by keeping more of the good stuff - whatever that might be- for themselves than they can possibly use. This is so they can broadcast the fact of their dominance to females .
I think it's safe to say that the owner of Papa Johns is a physically unprepossessing specimen, basically he looks like some guy on your neighborhood watch.
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/papa-johns-obamacare-will-raise-pizza-prices-131331.html
Without a mindset that causes him to spend his life seeking, acquiring hording and displaying his wealth, he'd never get laid, or at least, he would not get as laid as he feels he should be.
In making a show of denying those under him healthcare, and especially by talking about how little it would cost him to provide those benefits as per the article above his primordial mind is attempting to broadcast the fact of his sexual dominance / desirability to available females. That's what's going on here.
When shit as demented as "No nickle for healthcare !!!! " becomes that public and is even paraded around by the perps themselves, you have to go to waaaaay back in evolutionary time to find the part of their brain that's being activated.
It's amusing that the conservatives who deny evolution is real seem also to be the people whose motivations are most clearly amenable to forces governing basic evolutionary processes.
I fail to see what Papa John's has to do with pizza.
It could be argued that unless they specified in the contract that it was to be opt-in, or double opt-in, they are responsible, especially given evidence that they knew it was "probably illegal". "I told the hit hitman to 'get rid of him', I didn't specifically say 'kill him'" doesn't fly.
lack of space in the oven for genuine customers' pizzas
... so the pizza parlor just tries to pass on those pies to other customers who ordered a similar one.
==> So, when playing this prank, remember to ask for extra anchovies...
I don't want spam, I want pepperoni!
Well, you could order the spam, spam, pepperoni and cheese, that hasn't got much spam on it.
The pizza drivers pay for the ingredients, lose from the lack of space in the oven for genuine customers' pizzas etc? The drivers are paid anyway - all they're losing is the tip. But yeah, if you work for that sort of company there'll be disadvantages at all levels.
Drivers buy their own gas and put miles on their own vehicles.
By the way, "Sam," you'd be committing fraud, and on the scale you're suggesting, there's no way it would be a misdemeanor.
No, the drivers lose in the cost of gas to go out. They lose tips for non-existent deliveries. They lose income from people being angry and petty. Remember, the people working in the stores aren't the ones who sent the spam, but they will be the ones to bear the worst of the punishment for such actions. Best response is to just not buy from them anymore. I've stopped ordering a long time ago when I found out he was a heavy political backer of the "nut-job right" (not to be confused with actual Conservatives).
I hope that other companies are paying attention to this. To me, unwanted texts are particularly annoying. I'm already used to finding dead tree junk mail in my mailbox and junk email but there is something about junk texts that just seems... sleazy. News flash Papa...if I want to order a pie I know where to find you. No need to spam me with junk texts. Maybe the problem is that in order to receive text messages I have to pay for them, unlike email and tree mail.
If they get hit with the $250M fine we all know what will happen...low paid pizza workers will get laid off. Law firm gets rich(er). Consumer ends up getting the award in the form of a coupon for the next Papa John's pizza. The only positive outcome will be if other companies see this and decide not to follow that path.
I personally can not stand there food.
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Nice followup to the Obamacare PR fiasco, dipshits. Alienate half your customers by being a dick about providing health care coverage for your employees and then top that by spamming everyone's cell phones with unwanted texts.
One more is a hat trick. You're this close to the stupid trifecta, might as well go for the gold.
Maybe announce you don't want to pay for birth control and alienate your female customers. Or rape comments are all the rage these days, though it would be hard to come up with any new material on that topic.
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Actually, the FCC has a currently open comment period on how to address automated system for sending spam texts to cell phones. See http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7022037251
With this Public Notice, we seek comment on the petition for an expedited clarification and
declaratory ruling filed by Revolution Messaging, LLC.1 Revolution Messaging asks the Commission to
clarify that the Telephone Consumer Protection Act (TCPA)2 and the Commission’s related rules3 apply
to users of Internet-to-phone text messaging technology and similar technologies involving the storage
and automatic dialing of wireless telephone numbers.4 Revolution Messaging states that such a ruling
would make clear that Internet-to-phone text messaging technology is a type of “automatic telephone
dialing system” under the Commission’s rules and is therefore subject to the prohibitions in the TCPA
and the Commission’s related rules.
Anyone can file comments urging the FCC to make clear that such systems should be considered a type of “automatic telephone dialing system” under the Commission’s rules.
Read the full petition here: http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7022037252
File comments on the FCC ECFS system, the docket number to use is "02-278". http://http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/
And although the deadline is close, the FCC is generally fairly liberal in allowing and considering late-filed comments.
Hey, I think I got one of your orders... "I C Weiner".... BRB, going to sit down and rest at this table in front of a bunch of tubes....
Monstar L
actual meatspace storefront .... Please.
actually using the word "meatspace" and you're *not* a character in a bad 90's era cyberpunk novel? ...Please.
Like to each person on their list?
They must of contracted out this advertising and paid per spam message, because no one would think that that would drum up business.
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
So you saying this lawsuit is a Liberal Agenda to get revenge on John Schnatter exercising the freedom of speech. By exercising loopholes in laws passed by the Liberal Elite, that are attended to clamp down on good and honest business, to help pave the way to a socialist communist America?
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
I don't want the shit that is papa's pizza or the other big 3.
I live in area with lot's of good small chain places.
I personally can not stand there food.
Why are you calling the GP "food"? And why can't you stand there?
Free Martian Whores!
pizza drivers have to pay for gas / all car repairs out of there own pocket and they get a very low per run rate + sub-mini pay on the road.
Also that topper cuts MPG also papa makes his works pay for uniforms with markup as well.
I personally can not stand their food.
FTFY
The Papa John's pizza places I see all use conveyor belts to cook the pizzas. More like cooking by space heater then oven. Ever notice how the better pizza places have a pizza oven or wood or coal oven? They have a real oven not a conveyor belt.
IANAL, but I suspect this will get thrown out of court.
This sounds like a frivolous lawsuit, and quite possibly one of the worst examples of people using the government to solve their problems. Shunning, shaming, and publicizing this message problem is the proper solution -- hit them in their sales in the marketplace.
Oh come on. I know it's hip to hate on chain restaurants, but suggesting Papa John's isn't pizza and getting +4 informative? That's ridiculous.
Papa Johns is one of the better nationwide chains of pizza. Pizza hut, dominos even after they did the makeover, little ceasars, they're not as tasty. And I say that grudgingly as someone who thinks the CEO is an asshole.
Slashdot: news for nerds and also pizza elitists.
So who gets the money? Every single customer who got the spam? The three people who actually sued them? Why should they get "my share" of the money when all the damages weren't done to them?
Papa Johns is one of the better nationwide chains of pizza
That's like saying "Having electrodes pasted onto your nuts is one of the more tolerable forms of torture."
Hell, every pizzeria around here uses the real thing, whole-milk mozzarella.
Unfortunately, not everyone can live in a city with decent pizza. For the rest of us, Papa Johns is better than the other national chains.
Why is it that advertisers think it's acceptable to be rude when asking people to buy their product?!!!
People like that should be locked in an iron coffin with spikes on the inside.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Interesting that Papa Johns was willing to go to this expense and risk these fines when Papa John himself fought Obamacare claiming it would force him to raise each pizza by 14 cents and endanger his entire business.
Depends on the area. Papa Johns in Memphis tastes great. The ones in southern Mo tastes like a horrible cheap pizza. The rest tastes much better around here.
The problem with opt-out is that you confirm that a real person is reading the spam. You might not get messages from that exact source again, but you may well get on even more spam lists.
Why are you calling the GP "food"?
Maybe helix2301 is a cannibal?
"I'm not sure I like the fugnutish tone you used in your post!" -RogL (608926)-
I've stopped ordering a long time ago when I found out he was a heavy political backer of the "nut-job right" (not to be confused with actual Conservatives).
I didn't realize this. I won't be as bummed out that they won't deliver in my area now.
If my poor as heck friends are correct, food stamps only work for un-cooked food, so they only get Papa Murphy's pizza.
While it's certainly true that pizza joints are not a "get rich quick" path to success, there is nothing wrong with people who don't like a corporate chain's policies taking their business elsewhere. Later when Papa John's failed marketing and publicity has cost them marketshare, they will have to lower their franchise price, or people will buy other franchises. This is how the free market works, and it's a good thing.
Secondly, it's not a targeted expense that solely affects Papa Johns. Many of their competitors are going to have these same expenses, and the pizzas will get more expensive and the consumers will have to choose: A $12 pie at Stingo's Italiano Pizza, or $12.50 at Papa John's where "we treat employees right." Again we need to trust the free market, that the better employees will switch to the non-cheating pizza places with benefits, and as better employees they'll provide better service.
I'll pay the extra 50 cents for my take-out pizza so that everyone involved gets good healthcare.
Can we all agree that it's better than Cici's?
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Drivers buy their own gas
Not always. I don't know if this is on a store-by-store basis or what, but my brother who works for Dominos is reimbursed* for his gas.
*Setting aside the semantics of paying up front vs paying after the fact.
"I'm not sure I like the fugnutish tone you used in your post!" -RogL (608926)-
Even when they are bad they are still good.
I haven't thought of anything clever to put here, but then again most of you haven't either.
has driven the right wingers even crazier. Expect more of this reality free hysteria from them.
Republican leadership = Idiocracy
How dare they turn down delicious tasty pizza!
When baking it, one doesn't turn pizza.
Captain Obvious, to the rescue! Yay!!!111
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I have been frequently assured, on these very pages, that any opposition to liberalism is, in fact, racism of the overt or disguised type. No joking. I am curious to find what sort of dissent would be acceptable.
Given that America was founded on Liberalism intentionally and that the constitution was written specifically to eliminate any possibility of right wing ideas from our nation's government perhaps you should just leave and go live somewhere that supports right wing ideology like Saudi Arabia.
No, you'll just keep whining like a little crybaby making up idiotic crap. "Whaaaaa I get called racist when I support the enemies of my nation and piss in the face of it's founding principles Whaaaaaa". You'd actually need to have integrity to go live under a real right wing government like the ones America defined itself by it's opposition to in the American Revolution and the two World Wars.
America is the original real world instantiation of Liberalism. This was by design. If you hate the fundamental basis of the country leave. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. This is not a Democracy specifically so that losers like you couldn't destroy the nation through your cowardice, your ignorance, and your douchebaggery. Grow up and deal with the fact that you and those like you were defined as the nation's worst enemies over 200 years ago.
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About that criticism of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (otherwise known as Baucuscare, after Senator Max Baucus of Montana, the man who *actually* wrote the law (or rather, it was Sen. Baucus' aides and lobbyists, but at least Baucuscare is less of a misnomer, since laws are not written by the executive branch))
Mr. John Schnatter, CEO of Papa Johns, estimates that the PPACA will cost his company $5 to $8 million annually.
In September, Papa Johns ran a campaign where they gave out two million free pizzas. The cost of these pizzas would be $24 to $32 million, estimated.
In other words, free pizza advertising gimmicks cost about four times as much as providing health care to your employees.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/calebmelby/2012/11/12/breaking-down-centi-millionaire-papa-john-schnatters-obamacare-math/
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Best is to find a local mom-and-pop store that delivers. Or do what I do: go to the restaurant.
e.g. a Pizza at Domino's will set me back 8EUR. At the local pizzeria (pizza made by real Italians in a stone oven) it costs me 5.50EUR for a Pizza Margarita. Pizzahut would set me back 7,25EUR.
The local real restaurant is cheaper, tastes much better, is nicer to sit, does sponsor local economy and not some remote CEO, so why should I order out again?
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
After pj's opened nearby, my kid wanted to try their pizza. I included my mobile in the online order because we were on our way home - in case delivery arrives before we do. I was completely unprepared for the torrent of messages that has ensued. It took me weeks and many calls to get messages to stop. I only bought their pizza 2 or 3 times since, always in shop, always refusing to provide any details no metter how adamant they were (they want it all btw) and only paying cash.
It seems to me, from what I understand from politicians, that’s really rare, If it’s a legitimate conservative, the country has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let’s assume that maybe that didn't work or something: I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be of the voters, and not attacking the constitution.
Is 1563649 a prime number?
And makes a kick-ass browser.
--- Mercutio was right.
Unfortunately, not everyone can live in a city with decent pizza.
Stupidest post, EVAR!
Hint: I can make pizza. Perhaps you can too? Lina's Italian place on Centre St. N. sells frozen pizza shells. Paint with pizza sauce, add mozzarella, black olives, sliced mushrooms, and pepperoni slices (or pepper rings for vegetarians), ... et viola[sic]! Twelve minutes in the oven and Bob's your uncle.
This's Slashdot. We're expected to be capable of doing stuff. Ya know? FFS.
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Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
You might want to go back and watch the Monty Python sketch before you're so quick to say 'whoosh' to people who got the joke that you didn't...
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Why are you getting texts if you don't have a text plan? Clearly they're trying to illegally force you into paying for something you never signed up for.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Damn. Best rant I've read all week.
"Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
You shouldn't, obviously. I can't imagine how a crappy chain pizza restaurant stays in business wherever it is you live. But here in the US (most places, anyway) the local places are going to cost double what the shitty chain stores charge.
I remember the Cici's from VA Beach or Norfolk that was washing the dishes in the alley with a garden hose. They would set the plates on the ground and just fire away with the hose, next to the ever pleasant dumpster. I can't seem to find the action video anymore.
Clinton was probably the best Republican president of the last half century. We haven't had an actual Democrat in that office since Carter.
"Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
If that was the case, there would be no delivery drivers. Most of them make minimum wage and deliver way more than one pizza an hour. With a tank of gas going for 3+ a gallon, a highly doubt any of them do. And as the comment below said, I definetly know dominoes reimburses for gas. I worked for one back in the late 80's as a teen, back when gas was no more than $1.5 and they reimbursed then.
I promiss my company sends no unwanted pizza related texts.
Apparently cooking is like alchemy to most people. While I'm not the world's greatest chef I do know how to prepare my own meals and making pizzas is extremely fun to do especially when you get down to making the crust. It's great to get the family involved with, too. Most breads are pretty simple to make, the most difficult part is having a decent oven. Pizza stones help out with this. Ultimately it comes down to effort and not everyone is motivated after work. BTW I like the et viola, very cool!
Man blir trött av att gå och göra ingenting.
The owner of Papa John is a Romney supporting douche bag on top of a maker of shit pizzas. I hope they hit him with the highest possible penalty.
Some people might even enjoy it.
Kid-proof tablet..
Who the hell cares how the CEO foolishly spends his money? Do I care that Tom Cruise gives money to his wacky Religion? No, I decide if I want see his movie based on the previews/reviews not his political affiliation. I'm not pro-life, but I will tell you Chic-fil-a makes a tasty chicken sammich.
In the US, there are more than 500 000 new businesses started every year (sole proprieters, limited partnerships, and such). Want to opt out of all the new businesses? Prepare to wind your way through 1300+ opt out forms and procedures every day of the year for the rest of your life. Then there are the 2/3rds of a million corporations that have been around longer than a year. In your free time you can opt out of those; at 1000/day it should only take 2 years with a few weekends off.
Requiring people to opt out is demonstrably insane.
Dominoes costs $4.90NZ and Pizza Hut costs $4.90NZ. Local pizzerias cost between $15 and $30NZ. You get boned by pizza chains in Europe. (FYI, $4.90NZ is about 3.14EUR)
.... and I'm going to push your chair over
- Nibbler
Apparently cooking is like alchemy to most people.
Tycho Brahe was an alchemist, as was Isaac Newton. Chemists owe those people a lot.
I was blessed with a couple of parents who could cook and were capable of passing it on to their kids; well, one of their kids (my sister could burn Jello, but she's improved a lot since then). It was good training for an IT guy too. Recipes are just like other systems. Ingredients, timing, process, tools, presentation, yada yada. I can make a different breakfast every day of the month without repeating any of them, and I can thrill my ca. ninety year old Mom with half an hour's effort in a kitchen. It's great to not need a microwave except for leftovers. Pizza Pops?!? Screw that. Roast your girl a chicken, and she'll be crawling all over you before you're finished dinner. Now that's power! :-)
"Tongue tied and twisted, just an Earth bound misfit
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"ver notice how the better pizza places have a pizza oven or wood or coal oven?"
nope. They taste like smoke, or they have corn meal on then to take away the texture. Most of the time they crust isn't cook evenly, they take forever to cook. IT's just emotional attachment to a perceived 'good old days' fallacy
Conveyor belt oven is the best way to get pure pizza flavor, even cooking, and consistent pizza.
I have had all kind of pizza cook many different ways. My father ran a pizza place, I have worked in Pizza places, I have judged pizza.
I love pizza. I have literally been know to eat nothing but pizza for months. I understand baking and cooking.
So yes, I do know what I am talking about.
Sadly, I have reduce my pizza intake substantially in order to get to a healthy weight.
It should be noted there is a difference between good / Bad and Like / don't like.
People can like poorly prepared food, people may not like well prepared food. So you like oven cooked pizza? fine, enjoy. It isn't the best way to cook a pizza.
oh. Nothing is magic.A pizza with bad dough, bad topping and/or bad sauce will be a bad pizza, I don't care if you cook it with lasers.
I used to work in a Pizza place(about 3 decades ago) that had a conveyor. I invited my pizza snob friend from a mom and pop pizzeria over to cook one of their pizza in the over after hours.
Heh, shut them up quick. After considering it they decided not to get a convey. They where concerned about their image.
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No.
It's made from Water Buffalo, not Buffalo. And traditional even that was only in part of Italy.
I'm not sure how you can call one 'proper' when they came about pretty much at the same time.
Now, water buffalo Mozzarella is part of the weird EU protect country items thing for Italy.
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I like how you say 12 minutes, the ignoring the other hour it takes to get everything and make it.
and frozen pizza shells? please. when I make pizza, I MAKE the fucking pizza, eh?
We are capable of doing stuff. NEWSFLASH not everyone is capable of doing the same stuff.
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I like how you say 12 minutes, the ignoring the other hour it takes to get everything and make it.
and frozen pizza shells? please. when I make pizza, I MAKE the fucking pizza, eh?
Cool.
We are capable of doing stuff.
Okay, maybe that was a bit cruel.
NEWSFLASH not everyone is capable of doing the same stuff.
Duh. It's a fair cop. But come on, geeks ought to be able to make their own pizza, FFS!!!111
Sorry. Actually, I've been dreading the prospect of a real Italian showing up in here. NorthAm pizza !== "pizza" as invented by Italians. Me: pepperoni (or pepper rings), mushrooms, & black olives!
"Tongue tied and twisted, just an Earth bound misfit
Or perhaps you've just worked at some shitty pizza places? I've done my fair share of baking too. Gas is a easier to deal with, but if you're notcing corn meal or smoke, someone is doing it very wrong.
I call bullshit on your entire post. If anything, you sound like the snob.
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Not sure what country you live in, but in America the company is actually required to provide compensation for that by law. If you're driving and not getting properly paid, you should be filing some legal paperwork.
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Given that America was founded on Liberalism intentionally
Yes; classical liberalism. Not modern Leftism.
As a matter of fact, successful revolutions such as the American Revolution had strong conservative streaks; such revolutions overthrew existing regimes in the name of ancient and long established principles that the regimes had been undermining and corrupting. The American Revolution was meant to revive the rights of Englishmen, restoring the principles of the Glorious Revolution and the natural law it was based upon.
Needless to say, those like you have once again undermined and corrupted the long-established principles of natural rights, liberty and limited government.
Monty Python post
Sure we have CAN-SPAM and all the various state level spam laws that spell out the rules advertisers have to abide by, but the huge problem with these laws is that a private individual cannot initiate an action against someone, only the government can sue someone using these laws. Of course the government can't devote resources to chase down all the little spammers (my local car dealership is the worst, I've e-mailed, called and finally stopped by in person in hopes of getting them to take me off their e-mail list) but I still get e-mail from them and there isn't anything I can do about it.
I talked to two different lawyers and was willing to spend my own money to sue them and get them to respect people's wishes to not receive their junk advertising, but both of them told me there was nothing I could do about it. So, yeah, thanks government. If you made these laws actionable by anyone the world would have a lot less spam in it.
Will pretty much end the company.
---- Booth was a patriot ----