Plans Unveiled For Full Scale Replica of the Titanic

Seperation of classes by matthewlw · 2013-02-26 22:23 · Score: 5, Interesting

I would have to wonder if they will effectively separate classes on a ship as they did in that time, this hardly seems like it would be a popular concept in modern day, however it is hardly an accurate recreation if they ignore this aspect.

Re:Seperation of classes by Joce640k · 2013-02-26 22:33 · Score: 4, Interesting

Rose had plenty of fun in the the third class "Irish Jig" bar
Plus it got her drunk/horny enough to grab Jack and do him in the back seat of a car so maybe it isn't all bad.
The whole point of going on it is role playing so it should be a big hit in the orient even if whiny westerners don't think they can live a week without Facebook .

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Re:Seperation of classes by JaredOfEuropa · 2013-02-26 22:52 · Score: 3, Funny

Perhaps passengers on this thing can get a taste of each. 2 days in 1st class, 2 days in 2nd and 2 days in 3rd. And 1 day shoveling coal into a furnace...

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Re:Seperation of classes by gl4ss · 2013-02-26 22:58 · Score: 1

well exactly.
nobody in their right mind would build an exact replica at this day and age. where the fuck would they find passengers for the lower decks??????? it's not like australia, usa or wherever this thing cruises to would be taking in passengers just wanting to transit from shore a to shore b.

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Re:Seperation of classes by sg_oneill · 2013-02-26 23:11 · Score: 4, Insightful

Clive Palmer is actually completely fecking bonkers. People here in australia treat him as sort of a scary/facinating madman who got all the dollars but none of the sense that one might associate with being a billionaire. Granted its not uncommon with australian billionaires to be a bit cranky (See rupert murdoch, gina rinehart, and so on).
That said. I want someone to convince him to spend his billions on space travel. He's just far enough off his rocker to actually consider it.

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Re:Seperation of classes by Frankie70 · 2013-02-26 23:20 · Score: 4, Insightful

What do you mean not a popular concept in modern day?
Flights have cattle class, business class, first class etc don't they?
Re:Seperation of classes by mabinogi · 2013-02-26 23:27 · Score: 1

Just remember that the same person that wants to build this, also declared that Greenpeace was a CIA plot to destroy Australia's mining sector...

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Re:Seperation of classes by meddle99 · 2013-02-27 00:14 · Score: 4, Funny

and another day floating in a life raft, you know, to complete the experience.
Re:Seperation of classes by DNS-and-BIND · 2013-02-27 00:20 · Score: 3, Insightful

The point is that she never would have been there...the movie was a work of FICTION. Imagine an elegant society woman going to a hoedown with the hillbillies to understand how ridiculous the concept is.

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Re:Seperation of classes by CAIMLAS · 2013-02-27 00:22 · Score: 2

They're going to have to redesign the decks for the simple fact that the Titanic was not a cruise ship, it was a passage (aka passenger) ship. Cruise ships are going to have to have a lot more comfort and room available.
That said, drinking, eating, and sitting around doing nothing are the primary activities on a cruise (I'd imagine). You can do that in any 'class' on the ship, conceivably. But I do imagine they'd improve berthing a bit for the 'general transport' class to more effectively use the space.
Honestly, I think it's a splendid idea for those who want to 'disconnect' from modern distractions for a while. There are a lot of us who do. We need a detox, and being able to say "Sorry boss, I won't be available for the next week. At all." has a lot of appeal. You've only got a couple ways to do it now:
* Go on a normal vacation but leave your phone off. This puts the burden of responsibility for missed calls squarely on you. And you're still likely to 'check in' because you're addicted.
* Go to a very, very remote 'destination' vacation: remote to the point where you have neither a hotel or coffee shop near by, or cell service. I can only think of like, one or two places in WY and SD where this applies, but I'm sure AK has a couple, too...
This is a 'guilt free' option. Honestly, the only downside I can see to a Victorian era cruise aside from how fake it'll be (I don't doubt they'll skimp on the decorations and use eg. cheaper woods and furnishing materials) is the lack of air conditioning (and/or heat?). But maybe they'll provide that, too.

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Re:Seperation of classes by sjwt · 2013-02-27 00:26 · Score: 1

Clive menchion something about that on the news tonight, and also stated that he would be staying in 3rd class for the maiden voyage.

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Re:Seperation of classes by pkbarbiedoll · 2013-02-27 00:34 · Score: 4, Insightful

Because historically, extreme concentration of wealth in the hands of a few coincides with recession/depression and high levels of national debt. This is not hard to understand. Redistributing wealth to a smaller group of people means the larger group of people have less to spend. The smaller group owning the majority of the wealth will not spend their money the same way someone from the lower classes will.
The reason we had such a great economy in the 1950s was in part due to the low income inequality via high taxation on the rich. Capitalism worked beautifully then, lifting the standards of practically every American. One can argue the same is not true today.
Re:Seperation of classes by thelamecamel · 2013-02-27 00:59 · Score: 1

Just remember that the same person that wants to build this, also declared that Greenpeace was a CIA plot to destroy Australia's mining sector...
...just in time to steal the front pages in the days before the Queensland state election, when his preferred party was leading but starting to attract bad press. Sneaky bastard.
Re:Seperation of classes by Anonymous Coward · 2013-02-27 01:00 · Score: 1

This absolutism is unfounded. The (post)Edwardian Era was a time of much social rebellion, mingling of the classes, ripening of the Labour Party, suffragette drama, etc.
Even during the Victorian Era, much interclass screwing around took place. Don't confuse the stereotype of exemplary chastity with, as they say, "the facts on the ground". Prostitution was all over the place. Etc.
A key indicator of class rigidity is serfdom, which in England died out around the 1400s, while in some other European countries it lasted into the 1860s.
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Re:Seperation of classes by Anonymous Coward · 2013-02-27 01:25 · Score: 1

Try to remember that she hated elegant society, what with her controlling mother and abusive fiance, so much so that she tried to kill herself. Also, he did save her life, he draws well, and he looks like a young Leonardo DiCaprio.
I'm not saying the film is accurate, but the romance is plausible as a rebound. I feel bad for her next husband though, it seems like she never got over the boy she knew for about a week.
Re:Seperation of classes by Sasayaki · 2013-02-27 01:44 · Score: 1

Makes me want to write a story about that.

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Re:Seperation of classes by Anne_Nonymous · 2013-02-27 01:48 · Score: 1

>> hardly seems like it would be a popular concept in modern day
In most of the world today, you can travel in various "classes" of accommodation.
Re:Seperation of classes by nukenerd · 2013-02-27 02:03 · Score: 4, Insightful

Even during the Victorian Era, much interclass screwing around took place. Don't confuse the stereotype of exemplary chastity with, as they say, "the facts on the ground". Prostitution was all over the place. Etc.
Prostitution generally involved higher class men screwing lower class women. The other way round was rather unusual.
Re:Seperation of classes by Sponge+Bath · 2013-02-27 02:20 · Score: 1

...convince him to spend his billions on space travel.
Titanic 2... in SPAAAAACE! Lookout for that iceberg... err comet. In space, nobody can hear Rose blowing her whistle.
Re:Seperation of classes by Kupfernigk · 2013-02-27 02:39 · Score: 2

A friend of ours who died a few years back was the son of a West Indian jazz musician and an upper-class British woman.
His mother used to tell the story of how his father went to ask for her hand in marriage. This was early 1920s.
Daddy: "So, er, how much exactly do you earn? Will you be able to keep my daughter properly?"
WIJM: "About £65" (roughly an average annual income for a worker of the period)
Daddy: "That isn't very much"
Daughter: "That's a week, Daddy."
Daddy: "Oh. Er...where were we thinking of for the ceremony?
The past is often not how Hollywood imagines it.

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Re:Seperation of classes by DerekLyons · 2013-02-27 03:08 · Score: 2

They're going to have to redesign the decks for the simple fact that the Titanic was not a cruise ship, it was a passage (aka passenger) ship.
It wasn't even a passenger ship - it was a passenger liner... designed to efficiently move as many people as possible on as tight a schedule as possible. (The term 'liner' refers to a line on a schedule.) The closest modern equivalent would be a high speed commuter train - shuttling back and forth along it's route on an infinite loop, and otherwise pretty much nothing like a modern cruise ship. Cruise ships tend to pack people into the berthing decks to make room for the bars, casinos, and shopping areas because that's where they make their money. (Deck plans of both modern cruise ships and of Titanic are widely available, comparing them is instructional.) A 'modern' Titanic has no room for those amenities without compromising the accuracy of the re-creation.

That said, drinking, eating, and sitting around doing nothing are the primary activities on a cruise (I'd imagine).
Close enough. Though other activities are available/possible depending on the cruise... on sea days on the Alaska cruise we took for our 20th anniversary, I spent many hours on deck with my camera. (My wife spent the time in the spa... I'd join her in the heated pool when I got chilled.) There was also a variety of classes and lectures each day. Most modern cruises are also built around port excursions, sprinting between ports overnight. (Again, these schedules are available on the web, and it's instructional to compare them to Titanic's itinerary.)
Re:Seperation of classes by Richy_T · 2013-02-27 03:45 · Score: 1

If you think cell phone and wireless are not available on a cruise, you're going to be very disappointed...
Re:Seperation of classes by dywolf · 2013-02-27 03:48 · Score: 1

so you ignore the key phrase to ask a question answered precisely by that key phrase....

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Re:Seperation of classes by ralatalo · 2013-02-27 03:57 · Score: 1

Yes, this is Slashdot!
Re:Seperation of classes by tehcyder · 2013-02-27 04:07 · Score: 1

As long as the wealth is created in a free market, that wealth is a reflection of merit, either of the individual in possession of the wealth or of someone who left it to them voluntarily.
The possession of wealth is a reflection of the fact that you have a fuck of a lot of money, nothing more.
I don't know what merit you think the Oligarchs in Russia have, other than being good gangsters.

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Re:Seperation of classes by deadweight · 2013-02-27 04:10 · Score: 1

You may want to research the following term: "slumming" http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slumming Getting some from the peasants is not an unknown activity.
Re:Seperation of classes by tehcyder · 2013-02-27 04:11 · Score: 4, Funny

As long as the wealth is created in a free market, that wealth is a reflection of merit, either of the individual in possession of the wealth or of someone who left it to them voluntarily.
Remind me again how being born to rich parents is meritorious?
You are clearly a deranged socialist who can't understand common sense. The wealth is meritorious in itself. Once created, it creates meritoriousness in all who are clever enough to touch it. An so a Meritoriocracy is created. You poor peasants wouldn't understand.
Now get off my expensively manicured front lawn, you unutterable oik.

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Re:Seperation of classes by tehcyder · 2013-02-27 04:19 · Score: 4, Funny

Mod parent -5 for knowing any detail whatsoever of the plot of Titanic.

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Re:Seperation of classes by Jarik+C-Bol · 2013-02-27 04:20 · Score: 1

How do you define "absurdly rich"?
The sort of people who, if they open their wallet, and a 100$ bill slips out and falls to the ground, the time it takes to bend down and retrieve it (aka, make 100$) is wasted, because their time is worth more than 50$ per second at their rate of income.

Yes, these people exist.

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Re:Seperation of classes by bkmoore · 2013-02-27 04:59 · Score: 1

Kif...Call me when it's a catastrophe.
Re:Seperation of classes by Iamthecheese · 2013-02-27 05:21 · Score: 1

Wait, a cruise ship with classes and lectures?? What is this magical cruise line?

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Re:Seperation of classes by DerekLyons · 2013-02-27 05:54 · Score: 1

Norwegian Cruise Lines, though they're found on many others as well.
Re:Seperation of classes by Capt.DrumkenBum · 2013-02-27 06:17 · Score: 1

* Go to a very, very remote 'destination' vacation: remote to the point where you have neither a hotel or coffee shop near by, or cell service. I can only think of like, one or two places in WY and SD where this applies, but I'm sure AK has a couple, too...
My favourite camping site meets this description exactly. No wireless signal at all. Half a mile up the road I can get a signal, enough for email, and texts, probably not good enough for phone.
The best part is it is that the site is about 20 miles up a road that is impassible without a pretty good 4x4. Most times I will not see another person while I am there.
I wish I could go there right now, but there is probably at least 4 Ft of snow.

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Re:Seperation of classes by Anonymous Coward · 2013-02-27 06:53 · Score: 1

This is a common fantasy. The reason the 1950's were so great for the working class in the United States was that we supplied the world with the vast majority of its finished goods. This was the result of everything being bombed into the stone age during WWII. The remainder that wasn't bombed was still largely pre-industrial.
After the war we stimulated the developed world by flooding it with loans. In turn, those countries massively purchased goods from the United States and the United States also imported most of the world's leading scientists. For a time the only place to do business was really in the United States. This created a shortage of labor and is why unions were able to capitalize on the situation and demand higher wages and benefits like health care and pensions.
Over time the rest of the world has become more competitive. On top of that the United States has had more wealth concentrated at the top. However, this is mostly due to declines in effective buying power at the bottom rather than gains at the top. The average US factory worker's wage has been eroding for over four decades against foreign counter parts.
It may seem like the wealth concentration is the cause of recessions, but really it's the lifestyle of the United States workers slipping to what is sustainable. The bubble after the 1950s was one of the largest in human history and the ripples from that boom contributed to smaller, longer bubbles and recessions. Generally, each bubble/recession window has stretched out in time and looks remarkably like an underdamped response to a system step function. That sharp change in economic situation that caused the ringing was the end of WWII.
Re:Seperation of classes by viperidaenz · 2013-02-27 07:43 · Score: 1

They weren't very effective back then. poor-man Leo still poked rich-girl Kate.
Re:Seperation of classes by Haoie · 2013-02-27 07:44 · Score: 1

Only Cunard has any remaining trace of the class system [and even then it isn't segregation].

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Re:Seperation of classes by viperidaenz · 2013-02-27 07:55 · Score: 1

If you're one of the lucky 32% who survived. The rest can hang out in the North Atlantic, freezing their balls off.
Re:Seperation of classes by maxwell+demon · 2013-02-27 08:07 · Score: 1

I don't know what merit you think the Oligarchs in Russia have, other than being good gangsters.
Being smart enough to not criticize Putin?

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Re:Seperation of classes by CAIMLAS · 2013-02-27 20:19 · Score: 1

That sounds like a challenge, actually, though I've only got about 24" of snow clearance... How far could you get in with a 4x4 with a snomobile on the back?
My favorite places are all off the beaten trail as well.

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Re:Seperation of classes by Capt.DrumkenBum · 2013-02-28 05:42 · Score: 1

How far could you get in with a 4x4 with a snomobile on the back?
Not very far at all. I tried last winter and made it less than a quarter mile in my Jeep. But I expect a snowmobile could get in there without too much trouble.
It is my "the shit has hit the fan", bugout location, so no details on where it is. There are supplies, buried nearby. I have snowshoes, and I know how to use them. I could hike in if I had to.

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Re:Seperation of classes by kyjellyfish · 2013-02-28 11:55 · Score: 1

I would have to wonder if they will effectively separate classes on a ship as they did in that time, this hardly seems like it would be a popular concept in modern day, however it is hardly an accurate recreation if they ignore this aspect.
First Class, top of the heap suites are supposed to sell for a minimum of $1,000,000, per person, so, as in everything else, wealth will find it's own level... and umpteen degrees of separation...

And the movie already exists! by 91degrees · 2013-02-26 22:24 · Score: 1

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1640571/ For those who are interested, the expression on the ship's funnel indicates just how good a film this is.

Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica... by jonwil · 2013-02-26 22:26 · Score: 5, Funny

There are some parts of the old ship that most definitely should NOT be replicated on the new one.
Like the lifeboats.
And the engines.
And the bridge (and its navigation equipment and iceburg detection systems)
And the kitchens

Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by a_hanso · 2013-02-26 22:31 · Score: 4, Funny

There are some parts of the old ship that most definitely should NOT be replicated on the new one.
Like the lifeboats.
And the engines.
And the bridge (and its navigation equipment and iceburg detection systems)
And the kitchens

And the iceberg itself. I don't think I'll be comfortable in a recreation of a scenario that ends in people freezing to death.

Well spent monay, not. by u64 · 2013-02-26 22:34 · Score: 5, Funny

What's next, Hindenburg replica?

Re:Well spent monay, not. by heypete · 2013-02-26 22:42 · Score: 5, Interesting

What's next, Hindenburg replica?
Why not? Traveling by airship would be a unique experience for many people.
With proper precautions, hydrogen as a lifting gas is not considerably more hazardous than jet aircraft loaded with gobs of jet fuel /covering the fabric of the airship with highly flammable chemicals seems like a bad idea
Re:Well spent monay, not. by JaredOfEuropa · 2013-02-26 22:48 · Score: 1

I'd actually pay for a trip on that, though perhaps not if it'll use hydrogen as its lifting gas like the original.

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Re:Well spent monay, not. by Kupfernigk · 2013-02-26 23:42 · Score: 1

Given what happened to the R101, travelling by airship could literally be a unique experience for the last lot of passengers. And indeed, their last ever experience.
Face it, balloons either use an irreplaceable resource far too important to waste on vanity projects (helium), or they are insanely dangerous by modern standards.

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Re:Well spent monay, not. by RabidReindeer · 2013-02-26 23:52 · Score: 1

I'd actually pay for a trip on that, though perhaps not if it'll use hydrogen as its lifting gas like the original.
More recently it has been noted that the hydrogen gas was hardly the only major flammable thing about the Hindenberg.
Re:Well spent monay, not. by squiggleslash · 2013-02-27 00:34 · Score: 2

From memory, the R101 disaster was caused by structural failures (in turn caused by poor design decisions in turn caused by political problems with the project.) R101 didn't catch fire until after it crashed. Had it been a plane with the same problems, the same thing would have happened, except there'd have been no survivors from a plane crashing into the ground at standard cruise speeds.
Further I don't think one can reasonably travel across the Atlantic in a 747 pumped full of jet fuel, and then, on reaching the other side, complain that hydrogen lifted airships are a bad thing because they might catch fire, especially as the Hindenberg experience, if anything, proved hydrogen's relative safety - a plane catching fire at the same height would not have had anything like the same survival rate.
The problems with 1930s airships are mostly to do with the difficulty at that time of creating a massive, skyscraper sized, object that was also lightweight and able to move at speeds of up to 100mph. Hydrogen? Outside of its corrosive properties, that had to be handled and probably weren't to the degree needed, it was never the major problem.

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Re:Well spent monay, not. by Kupfernigk · 2013-02-27 00:40 · Score: 1

Airships have to have light superstructures to be able to have adequate lift, and they have a very large surface area. To the best of my knowledge nobody has come up with a convincing way of safely landing (or taking off) an airship in high winds. Modern materials, good as they are, are still not sufficiently stronger than materials available in the 1930s to make a safe airship.
I wasn't aware that hydrogen was corrosive.It can cause embrittlement of steels, but that is quite a separate issue.

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Re:Well spent monay, not. by Virtucon · 2013-02-27 01:35 · Score: 1

Why Not? It's already being tried in Egypt.

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Re:Well spent monay, not. by dbIII · 2013-02-27 01:52 · Score: 1

Modern materials, good as they are
Some of the best aluminium bicycles and aircraft parts today are made from an alloy indistinguishable from the duralumin in some of the airships. Same composition, same heat treatment, same amount of work hardening, just a bit better quantified, better quality control and we now know why it has those properties instead of the trial and error that went into devising it.
Hydrogen doesn't do anything that will cause problems with aluminium alloys.
Re:Well spent monay, not. by bluefoxlucid · 2013-02-27 01:54 · Score: 2

Why is it 3 inches longer?

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Re:Well spent monay, not. by drinkypoo · 2013-02-27 02:44 · Score: 1

Modern materials, good as they are, are still not sufficiently stronger than materials available in the 1930s to make a safe airship.
[citation needed]

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Re:Well spent monay, not. by drinkypoo · 2013-02-27 02:47 · Score: 1

Using Hydrogen was the smartest thing about the Hindenburg. Using various ultraflammable components with the hydrogen was not a good idea.

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Re:Well spent monay, not. by luther349 · 2013-02-27 04:17 · Score: 1

Hindenburg happened because they used the more flammable hydrogen witch at that time was all the germens had access to due to the wars. there is a still a few airships floating around today and they don't have issues doesn't Budweiser own a fleet. and i have to agree in most jet crashes nobody lives but for that time it was the worst airship disaster enough to scrap commercial airships world wide. not to mention they just got passed by by other stuff like airplanes and we live in we have to do this now get there now world and they will chose going subsonic speeds to get there over a airship going 50mph.
Re:Well spent monay, not. by tehcyder · 2013-02-27 04:38 · Score: 4, Funny

Why is it 3 inches longer?
Clive Palmer is standing on the front sticking his cock out pretending Kate Winslett is on the end of it.

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Re:Well spent monay, not. by Capt.Albatross · 2013-02-27 09:05 · Score: 1

Weather was as much a danger for rigid airships as was fire. The US built three big helium-filled airships, and they were all bought down by bad weather. With today's vastly-improved weather forecasting and imaging, perhaps you could operate one successfully, but I think you would have to choose where in the world and when to operate it, to avoid the risk of being caught in a violent storm.
Re:Well spent monay, not. by DiEx-15 · 2013-02-28 09:32 · Score: 1

I'd pay good money to point at it and scream "OH, THE HUMANITY!".

Then again, I did the same thing with that Texas Cowboy blow up statue and Big Butter Jesus, so I can probably say I already did it...

Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by Joce640k · 2013-02-26 22:34 · Score: 1

There are some parts of the old ship that most definitely should NOT be replicated on the new one.
Like the lifeboats.
And the engines.
And the bridge (and its navigation equipment and iceburg detection systems)
And the kitchens

What was wrong with the kitchens?

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Looney by hairyfish · 2013-02-26 22:36 · Score: 5, Informative

For those outside Australia, Clive Palmer is well known looney tunes. He has a habit of making outlandish claims (such as the CIA is funding the Green (hippie) party purely to destabilise our coal industry), I'd be surprised if this ever sees the light of day.

Re:Looney by mad+flyer · 2013-02-26 22:46 · Score: 4, Informative

And nobody tell the guys that the titanic had -from memory- at least one sistership who went on with her own commercial career without anykind of troubles...
Re:Looney by Alioth · 2013-02-26 23:05 · Score: 4, Interesting

Almost any kind of troubles. The Olympic did crash into a British warship, the collision holing her both below and above the waterline, but no one was hurt in that one and neither the Olympic nor the warship sank.
According to Wikipedia, one of the passengers on the Olympic when it crashed later was later on the Titanic when she sank (and survived that ordeal), and later was on the Britannic when it sank (surviving that one too).

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Re:Looney by Anonymous Coward · 2013-02-26 23:34 · Score: 4, Interesting

According to Wikipedia, one of the passengers on the Olympic when it crashed later was later on the Titanic when she sank (and survived that ordeal), and later was on the Britannic when it sank (surviving that one too).
Slightly luckier than the Tsutomu Yamaguchi who got hit by two nukes. (and survived that ordeal.)
Re:Looney by DerekLyons · 2013-02-27 00:05 · Score: 1

That's what (the generic) you said when he first floated (pardon the pun) this idea a year or so back... looney tunes or not, he's making progress on his plans. (Granted it's a long way to to completion.)
Re:Looney by Anonymous Coward · 2013-02-27 01:02 · Score: 1

One person was present at all three crashes? Now that's kind of suspicious! Alert the TSA!
Re:Looney by Ecuador · 2013-02-27 01:38 · Score: 1

According to Wikipedia, one of the passengers on the Olympic when it crashed later was later on the Titanic when she sank (and survived that ordeal), and later was on the Britannic when it sank (surviving that one too).
Well, only the first time is really hard. Each subsequent shipwreck you are into, your accumulated experience makes it even easier to emerge unharmed while people drown left and right...
Perhaps after a dozen or so shipwrecks you could even be fit enough to have a chance getting out of sinking u-boats...

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Re:Looney by AnalogDiehard · 2013-02-27 03:30 · Score: 2

Almost any kind of troubles. The Olympic did crash into a British warship, the collision holing her both below and above the waterline, but no one was hurt in that one and neither the Olympic nor the warship sank.
That collision was shortly before the Titanic sailed. Over twenty years later towards the end of her career, Olympic had another collision. It collided with and sank the Nantucket lightship with loss of life from the lightship.

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Re:Looney by Nimey · 2013-02-27 04:24 · Score: 1

True, but Olympic ended up being retired in the '30s because she was no longer economical to operate.

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Re:Looney by westlake · 2013-02-27 07:18 · Score: 1

And nobody tell the guys that the titanic had -from memory- at least one sistership who went on with her own commercial career without anykind of troubles...
There were two, Olympic, in service on the North Atlantic run for 24 years, and the Britannic, lost to a mine or torpedo while in service as a hospital ship in World War I
Re:Looney by kryliss · 2013-02-28 09:25 · Score: 1

So now we know what the common denominator was..

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Guess the forgot the song by DarkOx · 2013-02-26 22:36 · Score: 1

So they built another ship called Titanic number 2,
This time they thought they had a ship to sail the ocean blue,
So they christened it with beer and she sunk right off the peer.

It was sad when the great ship went down.
To the bottoms of the sea.

Uncles and ants many many lost the pants,
It was sad when the great ship went down

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Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by 91degrees · 2013-02-26 22:36 · Score: 1

Like the lifeboats.

The original design had plenty. They just took a lot off because it looked nicer.

And the bridge (and its navigation equipment and iceburg detection systems).

Well, they could at least give the crew binoculars:)

Seriously though, replica ships do make some compromises for modern safety laws. The replica of The Matthew for example has a Diesel engine in there.

Re:I really don't think by Joce640k · 2013-02-26 22:37 · Score: 1, Insightful

This may be a bigger hit than expected. Just a stressless cultural experience. Live music, dancing, shows and participation. Skilled artists, great shows, probobly great food too.

I agree.

Slashdot might not be the best place to vote whether an attraction with no WiFi will be a success or not.

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If they're going to do it... by egcagrac0 · 2013-02-26 22:37 · Score: 2

I'd prefer it to be called the Olympic - the one of the three that didn't sink.

Re:If they're going to do it... by serviscope_minor · 2013-02-26 23:50 · Score: 1

I'd prefer it to be called the Olympic - the one of the three that didn't sink.
In fairness to the Britannic it hit a mine which are designed specifically to snik ships, and almost everyone survived.
Apparently one person survived the sinking of both ships and a near sinking of the third.

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steers clear of icebergs? by fustakrakich · 2013-02-26 22:38 · Score: 1

I think they should reenact the entire voyage more accurately. Just restrict ticket sales to bankers, lawyers, and politicians.

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No internet by DFJA · 2013-02-26 22:40 · Score: 2

I never knew the original Titanic didn't have internet access. I thought it was supposed to be a luxury ship!

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Re:No internet by ccguy · 2013-02-26 22:45 · Score: 1

I never knew the original Titanic didn't have internet access.
It did, but being telegraph based the bandwidth was horrible, and with Hamming codes not having been invented yet transmission errors were a real issue.
Re:No internet by Kupfernigk · 2013-02-26 23:45 · Score: 1

In one of the ironies of history, the Titanic was equipped with wireless but the operator was too busy sending the important messages of the VIP travellers to make distress calls. It was the early 20th century equivalent of people making Facebook status updates "Ship is sinking, lol" rather than dialling 911.

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Re:No internet by SirCowMan · 2013-02-27 15:18 · Score: 1

If I recall correctly, the guy on the Californian was told to shag off the wireless so the guy on Titanic could get his messages out earlier in the night. At the time, wireless was used as mobile telegram first, ship information system second - the operators belonged (in this case) to the Marconi company, not to the liner. Spark gaps don't really discriminate frequencies - they had a lot of power, and effectively one channel, so were particularly prone to interference if trying to work the same station.

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Re:No internet by deadweight · 2013-02-28 02:31 · Score: 1

What I think might be causing confusion was some references to the Titanic's radio operator being too busy with passenger "look at me - I'm on a ship" messages to bother with ice warnings. This happened some time BEFORE they hit the iceberg, not after.

Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by Bearhouse · 2013-02-26 22:52 · Score: 1

They will be; original link is crap; this one has slightly more information:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/26/titanic-2-launch-new-york-replica

and of course...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic_2

Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by leathered · 2013-02-26 22:53 · Score: 5, Funny

They had British chefs.

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Sounds like a comic book story by Chrisq · 2013-02-26 22:53 · Score: 1

Somewhere a millionaire supervillain is making a steerable iceberg!

Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by Razgorov+Prikazka · 2013-02-26 22:57 · Score: 1

The iceberg itself is only a problem if the get a full scale model for that one as well... and hit it...
Nevertheless I think that it would be a nice way to travel about for some folks, think of all the goths that are breaking their piggy-banks *right now* to have a cruise their way! :-)

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Really? by MitchDev · 2013-02-26 22:58 · Score: 1

What is the fascination with this silly, sunken Deathtrap?

Re:Really? by loufoque · 2013-02-26 23:18 · Score: 1

Romantism.
Re:Really? by Kupfernigk · 2013-02-26 23:49 · Score: 1

One of the greatest European epics, the Chanson de Roland, is about a lost battle. Then there are the Greek tragedies. The Titanic story is a pure tragedy because the builders and the operators of the ship were brought low by hubris and by tempting Fate. That is why it has cultural resonance.

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Re:Really? by MitchDev · 2013-02-27 01:15 · Score: 1

Were they really? Were they actually bankrupted and scorned?
I know in the modern area they'd have paid not a dime and their investors would be wiped out while they go off scot-free and continue to spend others money while hoarding their own.
Re:Really? by udoschuermann · 2013-02-27 05:45 · Score: 1

We built the Titanic, and that hit an iceberg and sank.
So we built the Titanic 2, and it hit an iceberg, flipped over, and then sank.
So we built another, and that also hit an iceberg, caught fire, flipped over, and went down like a stone.
But did we give up? No, we built a fourth one! And that ...
(feel free to continue)

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Re:Really? by Kittenman · 2013-02-27 10:20 · Score: 1

Romantism.
Shouldn't that be Romanticism? Or is it really the Romans who have this fascination?

(Ok, I'm a pedant. Sue me).

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Re:Really? by loufoque · 2013-02-27 12:14 · Score: 1

Maybe.

Something about this by shikitohno · 2013-02-26 23:00 · Score: 1

gives me a terrible, sinking feeling.

And the next /. poll question is... by tigersha · 2013-02-26 23:17 · Score: 1

Would you take a ride on Titanic 2?

a) No!!!!!
b) Oh yeah!!!!
c) No, but I would pay for CowboyNeal's ticket

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Finally, the ship for the movie by Doalwa · 2013-02-26 23:17 · Score: 3, Funny

I was wondering when somebody would step up to the challenge and finally build a ship based on that wonderful movie from a few years back: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1640571/?ref_=fn_al_tt_9

Re:Finally, the ship for the movie by egcagrac0 · 2013-02-26 23:39 · Score: 1

You know it's quality cinema when the same individual is directing, writing, and starring...
Re:Finally, the ship for the movie by ebinrock · 2013-02-27 01:59 · Score: 1

Dang, if James Cameron would have just waited a couple of decades, he could have shot his movie on a real ship and not a CG one.
Re:Finally, the ship for the movie by jarlsberg71 · 2013-02-27 10:26 · Score: 1

I'd prefer this one.

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Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by Chrisq · 2013-02-26 23:18 · Score: 1

They had British chefs.

Can we send Jamie Oliver off in the replica please

Actually... by thegarbz · 2013-02-26 23:19 · Score: 1

It would be more accurate to say he comes across as a Looney. Most of his controversy is carefully planned to generate some distraction in the media.

What else give me hope that this is not a hoax is that most of his outlandish claims are only repeated once and then he disappears into the rather. This on the other hand is the fourth time in a year I've heard him talk about this idea.

Dilation by Zaatxe · 2013-02-26 23:23 · Score: 1

The Titanic II will be built 883 feet long – 3 inches longer than the original Titanic

At what temperature? A ship this big could not dilate more than 3 inches if the temperature increases?
(I just thought this size difference detail might be pointless...)

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Re:Dilation by Kupfernigk · 2013-02-26 23:50 · Score: 3, Funny

Three inches extra dilation? She seemed to think it was important.

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Re:Dilation by ebinrock · 2013-02-27 02:00 · Score: 1

This is why we need to move to the metric system. Without fail, every time someone mentions "inches", someone always inevitably remarks about the male sex organ.
Re:Dilation by Kupfernigk · 2013-02-27 02:54 · Score: 1

No, that wasn't the reason. It was the phrase in the GGPP "could not dilate more than three inches". Ships don't dilate, they expand. I was commenting on the abuse of English.

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Re:Dilation by tehcyder · 2013-02-27 04:54 · Score: 1

This is why we need to move to the metric system. Without fail, every time someone mentions "inches", someone always inevitably remarks about the male sex organ.
So people using the metric system don't ever talk about the male sex organ?
A brief survey of some of the classics of adult art films from Europe would indicate otherwise.

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Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by Zaatxe · 2013-02-26 23:24 · Score: 4, Funny

Don't worry, global warming took care of this one!

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I'm sure it'll be fine.. by mabinogi · 2013-02-26 23:32 · Score: 1

I'm sure it'll be fine....as long as the front doesn't fall off...

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Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by Millennium · 2013-02-26 23:36 · Score: 1

And the lack of adequate sealing in the lower compartments. It might actually have stayed afloat long enough for help to arrive if they'd been sealed at the top.

Nothing wrong with the equipment... by Kupfernigk · 2013-02-26 23:39 · Score: 3, Insightful

...or indeed with the iceberg detection. The problem was with the owners and the officers, and they aren't around any more.

Here's a hint: there were other ships in the area and none of them sank due to icebergs.

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Re:Nothing wrong with the equipment... by Nimey · 2013-02-27 04:23 · Score: 1

The engines are obsolete now - one steam turbine (modern, at least on warships) and two triple-expansion reciprocating steam engines (obsolete everywhere).
The hull was bad because of substandard materials.

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Re:Nothing wrong with the equipment... by dkleinsc · 2013-02-27 06:27 · Score: 1

It did have something to do with iceberg detection. The ship responded as quickly as it could have once the iceberg was spotted, but the only way they had to do that was to have a couple of guys in the front watching for them, and they didn't see it until it was too late.

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Re:Nothing wrong with the equipment... by toddestan · 2013-02-27 16:00 · Score: 1

That's pretty much how it worked. It was pretty common to stop sailing at night when there were icebergs around because you'd never see them in time. However, you're not going to cross the Atlantic in record time doing that.

Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by Anonymous Coward · 2013-02-26 23:41 · Score: 2, Informative

Well, they could at least give the crew binoculars:)

The lack of binoculars and that affecting the lookouts ability to see the iceberg is a bullshit myth. Even with today's binoculars it's easier to see things in the dark with just bare eyes simply because when you're staring at almost complete darkness with binoculars you have no references you can see when you look around so it's pure luck if you spot something. However, with bare eyes you can easily spot even a tiny difference from the complete darkness ahead (when your eyes have adjusted, which takes 15-20 minutes). Then you use night vision binoculars to figure out what exactly it is that you see. Back then optics were complete shit compared with today's motion stabilized binoculars and nobody back then had even envisioned night vision binoculars.

Because bare eyes are still the best way to notice things in the widest possible field of vision in the dark, ships' lightning is designed very carefully so that none of the lanterns or cabin lights or any other lights are reflected to the bridge windows. If you look closely, you can see that this is the case even with extremely well lit cruise ships at night.

(Yes, I am cruise ship bridge crew.)

unsinkable by Threni · 2013-02-26 23:47 · Score: 1

> to Palmer, who stopped short of calling the vessel unsinkable.

Also like the original Titanic then, which was also never called unsinkable until after it had sunk.

Re:unsinkable by wonkey_monkey · 2013-02-27 00:09 · Score: 2

Well...

publications such as the Irish News and Belfast Morning News and Shipbuilder printed detailed articles about the ship's construction and noted that "The Captain may, by simply moving an electric switch, instantly close the doors throughout and make the vessel practically unsinkable."

a White Star promotional flyer for the Olympic and Titanic ... claimed "as far as it is possible to do, these two wonderful vessels are designed to be unsinkable."

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Re:unsinkable by Threni · 2013-02-27 00:17 · Score: 2

I designed my statement to be practically correct.
Re:unsinkable by wonkey_monkey · 2013-02-27 04:06 · Score: 1

But not technically correct, which is the best kind of correct.

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Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by RabidReindeer · 2013-02-26 23:50 · Score: 1

There are some parts of the old ship that most definitely should NOT be replicated on the new one.
Like the lifeboats.
And the engines.
And the bridge (and its navigation equipment and iceburg detection systems)
And the kitchens

And the iceberg itself. I don't think I'll be comfortable in a recreation of a scenario that ends in people freezing to death.

And don't forget the best one of all - a double-hull construction using brittle steel where water, once entered into one of the compartments can then pour over the top into the other compartments!

Having an iceberg in the water doesn't make people freeze to death, though. Being in water cold enough that the icebergs are common, however...

Re:I think by SimonTheSoundMan · 2013-02-26 23:50 · Score: 1

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17890754 Australian billionaire Clive Palmer to build Titanic II 30 April 2012

Little slow on the news /.

Driscoll ... that name rings a bell by skegg · 2013-02-26 23:51 · Score: 1

says Michael Driscoll, editor of industry newsletter Cruise Week

Yup, the name of someone else whose boat journey could have gone better.

Why three inches longer? by wonkey_monkey · 2013-02-26 23:52 · Score: 1

Why is it three inches longer?

Like the original ship, there will no TVs aboard and probably no Internet service

What, the original Titanic only probably had no internet service?

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Re:Why three inches longer? by dbIII · 2013-02-27 02:06 · Score: 1

Window dressing on the con.
This guy became a millionaire by working MITM attacks on mining leases as a clerk in the Queensland Government department of mines, back when the government was so clearly on the take that around half of cabinet ended up in jail. He became a billionaire in a strange deal with BHP where he bought a Nickel refinery for far less than one years profit for that Nickel refinery - very strange since BHP was not in a situation where it needed to do a fire sale. Lately he's trying to sell a mostly worthless mining lease to Chinese investors at massive markup, but it's not working. He's got a long history of misleading people and ending up in court after deals where the other party got a big surprise. This thing where he just appears to want to make a bit of noise and convince people he is serious then laugh at them is mostly harmless.

Dress Code by Psychotria · 2013-02-26 23:56 · Score: 1

Passengers will be able to dress in 1912-style clothing, giving them an opportunity to step back in time [...]

I am so glad they have given permission to dress as one sees fit. But, Mr Palmer and associates, if I want to dress in 1912-stlye clothing I'd do it with or without your permission, so please stay the fuck out of my personal life and dictation of how I should dress. Thank you. Am I allowed to abstain from shaving?

Re:Dress Code by PPH · 2013-02-27 05:01 · Score: 1

Passengers will be able to dress in 1912-style clothing, giving them an opportunity to step back in time [...]
Assuming 1912 style clothing can be found in XXXL sizes. I'm guessing it will be sweat pants and flip-flops.

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Re:Seperation of classes [is good] by oreaq · 2013-02-26 23:57 · Score: 1

Millions of people have made it across the ocean on ships similar to the Titanic (though smaller); only a few thousand had perished.

You might want to check your numbers: "It is suspected that of 11 million slaves transported, this represented a third of the slaves from the start. so approximately 22 million slaves died on the slaves ships in the Indies and Americas alone."

Futurama reminiscence by nu1x · 2013-02-27 00:00 · Score: 1

Now why after reading all this I am reminded of a certain Futurama episode ?

I honestly find the whole situation really funny.

Now all we need is Iceberg MKII, and we're set.

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Re:Futurama reminiscence by Virtucon · 2013-02-27 01:36 · Score: 1

With Global Warming, no Icebergs to worry about.

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Re:Futurama reminiscence by ArcadeMan · 2013-02-27 03:32 · Score: 1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Flight_to_Remember
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mutants_Are_Revolting

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Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by Peter+Simpson · 2013-02-27 00:03 · Score: 1

There are some parts of the old ship that most definitely should NOT be replicated on the new one. Like the lifeboats. And the engines. And the bridge (and its navigation equipment and iceburg detection systems) And the kitchens

And the "watertight" compartments. IIRC, they only went up a couple of decks, so when the water level got high enough, they all flooded.

Commercial viability by Registered+Coward+v2 · 2013-02-27 00:13 · Score: 1

Disney's ships hold about 40% more passengers and they are priced at the higher end of the mass market lines. Given operational costs such as fuel are relative fixed it would seem their cruise costs would be significantly higher. The question is is the T2 experience compelling enough to attract capacity crowds and repeat business to be a viable long term business?

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wtc by leuk_he · 2013-02-27 00:19 · Score: 2

build a replica of the new york WTC. What are the odds a place will fly into it twice?

Re:wtc by Anonymous Coward · 2013-02-27 00:58 · Score: 1

Close to zero. After the first time, it's likely not airworthy anymore.

Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by westlake · 2013-02-27 00:24 · Score: 2

There are some parts of the old ship that most definitely should NOT be replicated on the new one.

Olympic, Titanic's twin sister, was in service for 24 years on the North Atlantic run.

I don't see any problem with the engines.

If your complaint is about the inefficacies of coal or the manning requirements and working conditions aboard a coal-fired ship, take it up with Winston Churchill. Naval innovation: From coal to oil

If you are First Lord of the Admiralty. you can make these things happen.

I don't see any problems with the kitchens.

Last Dinner On the Titanic: Menus and Recipes from the Great Liner, in print since 1997, and a particularly fine example of the cookbook as art and history, is far from obsessed with the first class service alone.

afloat by ssam · 2013-02-27 00:24 · Score: 1

will it take an HP lawsuit to keep it afloat?

In this week's fear factor by WinstonWolfIT · 2013-02-27 00:24 · Score: 1

Titanic II through the north Atlantic with half of its lifeboats.

Re:I think by wylf · 2013-02-27 00:28 · Score: 1

There's been renewed media interest on this topic recently in Australia, not sure what brought it about though.

Party on, Clive! by Muad'Dave · 2013-02-27 00:42 · Score: 1

What's that old saying, "A fool and his money are soon partying"?

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Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by Joska · 2013-02-27 00:46 · Score: 1

The junk steel and the compartment divisions that stop short of the ceiling are the bits of authenticity that are most troubling. Seriously though, it's not a remarkable object with the benefit of hindsight and scarcely merits a replica. Maybe he can be persuaded instead to sink some money into architecture and rebuild Frank Lloyd Wright's 1906 Larkin Building in Buffalo, NY. This would rectify a very real loss to history with the added benefit of a significantly decreased iceberg threat. It's a win/ win.

Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by Joska · 2013-02-27 00:47 · Score: 1

That's a big one right there.

Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by markxz · 2013-02-27 01:00 · Score: 1

The new ship would have to comply with all the current SOLAS (safety of life at sea) conventions. The loss of the Titanic was the catalysis that started the move towards increased Safety. Since then (mainly reacting to numerous disasters) the conventions have been enhanced over time.

Technological advances will also alter the ship. The Titanic used riveted rather than welded steel for its hull, this reduced the strength and increased the iceberg damage. Modern ships use diesel rather than coal, most of the funnels would be decorative (a tactic used by Disney Cruise Line) and the engine noise would be different. The RADAR, communication equipment, helipad etc. would all change the look of the ship.

The onboard facilities would have to match modern expectations (such as larger cabins with en-suite bathrooms and air conditioning,most cruise ships have cabins with balconies. The very large first class suites (with extra accommodation for servants) may need to be reworked to meet price targets and get enough customers.

In the end I think this will end up as a modern ship with a similar outline to the original Titanic, with some internal areas looking similar. I would like to see a (very) accurate replica, this would be interesting to visit for a short period of time but would be difficult to sell to customers (especially in 2nd and 3rd class).

Clive Palm(greas)er! by BurstElement · 2013-02-27 01:10 · Score: 1

To be honest Clives recent endeavours appear to be misguided attempts to buy favour with Chinese investors so that he can get his latest IPO off the ground...
1. Buy football (soccer) team but screw it up so badly the team gets expelled from the league.
2. Buy PGA golf course / resort but make such a mockery of the game with his robotic dinosaur and other crazy antics that the course gets removed from the 2013 tour.
3. Contract Chinese shipbuilders to construct replica of HMS Titanic... await spectacular failure.

There has always been something shady about his business deals, from unscrupulous tactics regarding his dealings with competitors and business partners / investors and then there are the increasingly frequent rumours of bribery and corruption.

Costa Concordia by Kupfernigk · 2013-02-27 01:14 · Score: 1

What makes you think modern cruise ships are any different? A hole in the bottom and the thing nearly capsized in shallow water. Many of those cruise ships cannot use the North Atlantic in winter.

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So why the 3" difference in length? by argStyopa · 2013-02-27 01:17 · Score: 1

I mean, if your goal is a meticulous re-creation, why the 3" difference?

Did someone measure wrong and just shrug and say "whups, oh well, it's close"?

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Re:So why the 3" difference in length? by kannibal_klown · 2013-02-27 04:46 · Score: 1

Without reading the article, the best answer I can come up with is a minor change in hull design to accommodate either a different / better engine or some some sort of safety feature that's required now-a-days.
But I don't care enough to read the whole thing,

Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by MitchDev · 2013-02-27 01:23 · Score: 5, Insightful

Actually, load the the ship with the "top 1%" and sink the bitch fast, no lifeboats.

Re:I think by dbIII · 2013-02-27 01:31 · Score: 4, Informative

He had a big event on this subject in New York yesterday.
Of course he's well known in Australia for stupid announcements that have little to do with reality. It was just over a year ago that he called a press conference to announce that Australia's environmental groups were funded by the CIA.

Re:Not the engines? by jonwil · 2013-02-27 01:43 · Score: 1

Hey, the guy DOES own a whole pile of coal mines :)

Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by dbIII · 2013-02-27 01:44 · Score: 2

Since I've got a materials background I thought that as well, especially since I've spent a lot of time hitting little bits of steel that had been soaked in ice water with a huge hammer and seeing how brittle some are. There definitely is unsuitable steel for ships in the North Atlantic, as seen later when the Liberty ships used the cheapest steel available and repeated earlier mistakes. However after reading Joseph Conrad's newspaper article on the Titanic enquiry (thanks to Project Gutenburg), it's hard to argue with his suggestion that the impact was so large that the toughest steel available would not have helped enough. That's a lot of momentum and the point of impact with the ice would not have been large.

Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by amanaplanacanalpanam · 2013-02-27 01:44 · Score: 1

Indeed, global warming may result in more iceburgs.

Re:I think by durrr · 2013-02-27 01:44 · Score: 4, Funny

Yes, the league of Irony and Evil have agreed to fund a life-size replica of the iceberg that sunk titanic.

If you happen to know the formula of ice-coloured stealth paint and/or how to build silent diesel electric motors, please send you CV to titanic_reenactment@repeathistory.com

Breaking news is overrated... by rmdingler · 2013-02-27 01:46 · Score: 2

It is also notoriously inaccurate as competing 24 hour news outlets attempt to out-scoop one another with little, if any, story validation. Early reporting at recent FPS stories like Sandy Hook, Fort Hood, and the Colorado theater included a misidentifed shooter and multiple-shooter inaccuracies. The best intellectual reflection is usually done when variables such as untruths can be left out of one's regression analysis.

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Re:Breaking news is overrated... by retchdog · 2013-02-27 10:09 · Score: 1

while slashdot is, of course, both slow and alarmist.

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Re:Breaking news is overrated... by rmdingler · 2013-02-27 10:53 · Score: 1

Well put. But there is no use panning for gold where there is no gold, so go to a stream where people have found gold before. That is also /.

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Jinx Factor by ebinrock · 2013-02-27 01:57 · Score: 1

I highly doubt with the name "Titanic" permanently etched in people's minds for over a century as a name synonymous with one of the most horrific disasters in history, that anyone would want to sail aboard the Titanic II, even if it avoids icebergs or other dangers. And yet another product built in China? (My God, what's NOT built in China now?) Not proudly made by the British at the Southampton shipyards like the original? That would have better followed the tradition, if that's what all this is about. The British have been proud for centuries of their navy and their shipbuilding. And no TV or Internet on a modern-day cruise ship? How much is this privilege going to cost? No thanks, I'll choose Disney or Royal Caribbean if I ever go on a cruise. FAIL.

Sounds like fun, but... by tverbeek · 2013-02-27 02:01 · Score: 1

I'm going to sign up for a berth in Steerage Class; that looked a lot more entertaining than the upper decks (at least until things got wet).

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Edwardian culture by Kupfernigk · 2013-02-27 02:48 · Score: 4, Insightful

Prostitution yes. Affairs, no.

Upper class women were often left at home for long periods while their husbands went off to rule the Empire. The result was a culture of affairs with men of similar social standing, and also of sex with the servants. The latter was in some ways a form of prostitution; in exchange for a clean indoor job involving standing around handing out food and drink and shifting luggage, all board, lodging and clothes provided, a footman was expected to service the mistress and perhaps her friends. In a divorce case (which was really considered scandalous) it was not done to cite other parties lower than one's own social status, i.e. bonking servants didn't count.

Not in all cases obviously, perhaps not in a majority, but the rules have been well documented.

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Re:Edwardian culture by Shinobi · 2013-02-27 03:48 · Score: 3, Insightful

In a way, that reminds me of the Clinton-Lewinsky "scandal" and some of the extreme reactions....
The "good christians/family values wardens" in the US: "Omg, he's got a mistress!!"
Italians, spaniards and french people I knew at the time: "Omg, he's got only 1 mistress!"
Re:Edwardian culture by tehcyder · 2013-02-27 04:22 · Score: 2

The latter was in some ways a form of prostitution; in exchange for a clean indoor job involving standing around handing out food and drink and shifting luggage, all board, lodging and clothes provided, a footman was expected to service the mistress and perhaps her friends
If you read any Victorian novel, the footmen are almost always well-built and good-looking, with fine calves and a ready smile. You can see why they annoy the god-fearing, moralistic young heroes, who clearly aren't getting anywhere near the same quantity or quality of horizontal jogging.

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An EXACT replica? by wcrowe · 2013-02-27 02:56 · Score: 1

I hope it's not an EXACT replica. I, for one, would prefer to be on a ship that has watertight compartments all the way to the main deck.

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I'm working on a replica HINDENBERG by Jeremiah+Cornelius · 2013-02-27 02:56 · Score: 1

I'm gonna crash it into the new Titanic.

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Re:I'm working on a replica HINDENBERG by meerling · 2013-02-27 06:21 · Score: 1

Um, both were transport disasters.
Both went down and involved a crash.
One went down and crashed after going up in flames.
The other went down after crashing with ice in the water.

It's a joke of the dark or gallows variety.
I'm not saying it's a good one, but still.

One thing gong for it by Waffle+Iron · 2013-02-27 03:10 · Score: 1

At least it looks like a *ship*, instead of the more typical floating office building with the ass end of a whale glued on top.

Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · 2013-02-27 04:07 · Score: 1

The lifeboats should be replicated! 3x over, in fact.

Also I'd put their luxury kitchen up against a modern one any day.

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Re:Seperation of classes [is good] by deadweight · 2013-02-27 04:19 · Score: 1

Besides for THAT, "steerage" aboard the Titanic was NICER than the homes most of them came from and for many was their FIRST exposure to running water and flush toilets! That said, the evil of *unregulated* capitalism led the owners to sail with inadequate safety equipment. After the Titanic rules were put in place that made sea travel much safer.

Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by deadweight · 2013-02-27 04:22 · Score: 1

The ship will be unable to get insurance or clearance into most ports without meeting 2013 safety regs, so I doubt they will be recreating the ship THAT exactly.

Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by bkmoore · 2013-02-27 04:26 · Score: 1

Not necessarily, but there will be a motorcoach for making out in in the forward cargo hold between some crates of beer from Prussia and sacks of spice from Persia.

Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by deadweight · 2013-02-27 04:26 · Score: 1

Why would the engine NOISE be different. I can't imagine they won't use oil-fired boilers, but the actual engines will still get the same steam as always, or did I miss something?

Re:Seperation of classes [is good] by tehcyder · 2013-02-27 04:28 · Score: 1

Slavery is the very antithesis of capitalism, which is the economic paradigm that finally ended it.

There is nothing in the theory of pure capitalism which says it is opposed to slavery. In fact, the only way slavery is ended is when the government makes it illegal, and that is an interference in the free market.

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Re:I really don't think by tehcyder · 2013-02-27 04:32 · Score: 1

You do realise that Celine Dion will be gigging on this until the heat death of the universe?

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Re:I think by SimonTheSoundMan · 2013-02-27 04:33 · Score: 1

It's born to sink...

http://i.imgur.com/AlFL9Od.jpg

Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by tehcyder · 2013-02-27 04:34 · Score: 1

So, in this Titanic 2.0 we're going to have Gordon Ramsey, Jamie Oliver and Nigella Lawson?

Well, I wouldn't mind going down on her.

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Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by markxz · 2013-02-27 04:41 · Score: 1

The new ship is planned to have "diesel engines driving azimuth thrusters" rather than steam piston engines.

The QE2 was the last steamship built to cross the Atlantic. She used a steam turbine (rather than piston) engine. Diesel engines replaced her steam equipment after about 20 years of service.

Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by deadweight · 2013-02-27 04:51 · Score: 1

My interest in this thing just dropped to less than zero. The engines would - by FAR - be the coolest part of the whole ship. I went on a short trip aboard a steam powered ship and spent the whole time in the engine room watching the triple-expansion engine. Anyway, steam ships are still being built. Some LNG tankers use the gas that boils off to run the boiler.

Re:I think by Mad-Bassist · 2013-02-27 04:58 · Score: 1

Why not the RMS Olympic? It was the lead ship of it's class, survived several collisions, served in WWI, and completed 257 round trips across the Atlantic, transporting 430,000 passengers on her commercial voyages, travelling 1.8 million miles (according to Wikipedia.)

Of course, the sister ship with the most casualties was the one most remembered. The third and largest one (Britannic) got one movie, but only thirty died when she hit a mine.

It makes me wonder how many people would feel safe going out on this replica...

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Re:I think by demonbug · 2013-02-27 05:01 · Score: 1

Well duh, everyone knows the CIA has been in a state of undeclared war with Australia for decades, and clearly the best way to bring Australia down is by protecting their environment. I mean, have you seen Australia's environment? I figure another decade, two tops, and the nation of Australia will crumble from within due to the unrelenting assault by their natural environment, and China will be free to sweep in and exploit their natural resources.

What, did you think the CIA was working for the U.S.? Sheep.

Re:I think by imikem · 2013-02-27 05:30 · Score: 1

Bastards. They stole my idea again. Maybe I should just take the hint and send them my CV. Or run off to the patent office and file so I can sue.

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How long will the line be for "King of the World?" by default+luser · 2013-02-27 05:32 · Score: 3, Funny

You know every fucking passenger will have to "experience" it, but there's only one prow on this ship, and more people there just ruins the experience.

Maybe they'll use FastPass to reserve your place in line?

"My love, I reserved the King of the World ride at 6pm, followed by a frolic in the back seat of an old clunker!"

So romantic!

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Given today's cruise ships... by khelms · 2013-02-27 05:36 · Score: 1

I'd settle for unstinkable.

Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by dkleinsc · 2013-02-27 05:51 · Score: 4, Funny

Ah yes:
Heaven - where the police are British, the chefs are French, the lovers are Italian, the cars are made by the Germans, and it's organized by the Swiss.
Hell - where the police are German, the chefs are British, the lovers are Swiss, the cars are made by the French, and it's organized by the Italians.

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A kickstarter project: build an iceberg by whitroth · 2013-02-27 06:05 · Score: 2

So, what do you think, slashdotters - should I start a kickstart for a project to build a self-moving, steerable iceberg?

mark "the ship sank; get over it"

Re:A kickstarter project: build an iceberg by Tablizer · 2013-02-27 10:55 · Score: 1

It's called "Congress".

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Toothbrush Trivia by crazyvas · 2013-02-27 06:16 · Score: 2

And that passenger who was on all three ships when they crashed/sank, became a pro at handling ship sinkings:

"She had also made sure to grab her toothbrush before leaving her cabin on the Britannic, saying later that it was the one thing she missed most immediately, following the sinking of the Titanic."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violet_Jessop

entertainment by k6mfw · 2013-02-27 06:39 · Score: 1

After dinner, can I go down below deck where the people really party instead of hanging out with bunch of stogy old men with port and cigars discussing the stock market?

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Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by Quila · 2013-02-27 07:42 · Score: 1

The old engines with their boilers took up half the ship below the water line. Throw in one of those new ship diesels and you could easily reclaim half that space. This would be much better than the old Titanic.

Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by Anonymous Coward · 2013-02-27 07:45 · Score: 1

I'd like those who modded this Insightful to please explain why.

Re:Seperation of classes [is good] by maxwell+demon · 2013-02-27 08:32 · Score: 1

Workers cannot keep the fruits of their labour either. They get paid for their labour, but they don't get the fruit of it. If something they made turns out to be very successful, not the employees make the big money, but the employer. So from that logic, employment would be a direct antithesis of capitalism, too.

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Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by maxwell+demon · 2013-02-27 08:36 · Score: 1

What would those £3 be today after adjusting for inflation?

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Re:I think by MouseTheLuckyDog · 2013-02-27 08:42 · Score: 1

Well duh, everyone knows the CIA has been in a state of undeclared war with Australia for decades, and clearly the best way to bring Australia down is by protecting their environment. I mean, have you seen Australia's environment?

Either that or import frogs.

Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by Ol+Biscuitbarrel · 2013-02-27 10:54 · Score: 1

How are they supposed to microwave the hot pockets with an old kitchen?

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Re:Two datapoints by petermgreen · 2013-02-27 11:44 · Score: 1

Air has an average relative molecular mass of about 29. Methane has a relative molecular mass of 16, ammonia 17 while hydrogen has a relative molecular mass of 2 and helium has a relative molecular mass of 4.

The effectiveness of a lifting gas is proportional to the difference between the relative molecular mass of the lifting gas and that of air. Calculating this figure gives us

Methane: 13
ammonia: 12
hydrogen: 27
helium: 25

In other words hydrogen or helium are about TWICE as effective as lifting gases as ammonia and methane.

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Costa Concordia II by jfdavis668 · 2013-02-27 13:59 · Score: 1

All these comments, and no one suggested building a Costa Concordia II?

Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by SirCowMan · 2013-02-27 15:10 · Score: 1

There are two Matthew's. The one from Bristol had a diesel, and a GPS fitted to one of the masts. Assumedly, it had some level of proper accomodations - though when it arrived in 1997, the tour area was basically just the main deck. Also, being over a decade ago, memory is a little fuzzy. And I've been drinking. The one here in Newfoundland is locally designed and rather more or less accurate for the time, aside from the lumber (locally sourced, except the masts - they are Douglas fir from British Columbia). That boat has, to my knowledge, been to sea once - to film a documentary about the exploration of the Hudson River; a feat which in itself was difficult to arrange, due to insurance concerns. It is kept in Bonavista as a tourist attraction.

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Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by gargleblast · 2013-02-27 15:13 · Score: 1

Because Clive Palmer, that's why.
Oh and Gina Rinehart.
And Twiggy Forrest.
And anybody other billionaire who wears Hi Viz on TV and blusters on about Jobs For Australians. All the while meaning Profits For Me. And Acshly Is Jobs for Migrants.

Re:Shipping tons vs. weight by SirCowMan · 2013-02-27 15:24 · Score: 1

Ah, well, gross tons would usually refer to a volume measurement - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonnage

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Re:I think by SirCowMan · 2013-02-27 16:02 · Score: 1

A modern day replica will face a huge number of problems trying to achieve even superficial accuracy - all the nice wood paneling is a fire hazard, the glitzy 1st class accommodations were limited, lifeboats won't cut it obviously, can't dump sewage and good luck with practicalities of coal burning and the expectations of a modern passenger... etc. The differences from meeting all the required minimum international regulations would grossly exceed the variations between sister ships.

Mind you now, you're probably safer from sinking on an exact Titanic replica than most modern vessels. The coal bunkers and limits of materials/rivets of the time lent themselves to high levels of subdivision, and the WT bulkheads were carried quite high up - higher than many modern passenger vessels would have their watertight deck. They were well designed, if somewhat utilitarian, boats struck by circumstance rather than endemic flaw.

As an aside, there are a good number of incorrect posts below and a quick read shows some minor problems on the Wikipedia entry for this paper boat as well. I'm a Newfoundlander who enjoys history, a HAM, and a naval architect by trade - so the old Titanic is like a confluence of personal interests. If there are any late comers, I'd be happy to answer any particular questions on the boat - old or the theoretical new.

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Matthew story by Kupfernigk · 2013-02-27 22:48 · Score: 1

At one point in a voyage, at night, the Matthew was intercepted by a military ship - probably American - who demanded to know what she was and got the reply "Sailing ship Matthew, on a voyage from Bristol to Rio". The immediate reply was "I don't believe you, identify yourself correctly or we will board you".

The captain instructed that the Diesel be started and then had all the display lights turned on - it must have been quite impressive out there in the Southern Atlantic. Very soon after a one word message arrived: "Sorry".

Auxiliary Diesels on sailing ships can come in very handy at times.

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Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by semilemon · 2013-02-28 03:56 · Score: 1

I agree, I would be much more interested in this project if it was a stationary, exact replica on land that operated as a museum. Of course, it would not have to be totally complete (ie. only a few completed staterooms, with the rest of them just being closed doors). This would allow you to tour all parts of the ship (the bridge, the engine rooms, the Turkish baths, etc.) just as if you were on the real Titanic.

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Re:I think by kryliss · 2013-02-28 06:18 · Score: 1

It's going to be built in China, just imagine how many corners will be cut. I'll be surprised if it doesn't sink in the harbor.

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Re:Please tell me it wont be an accurate replica.. by Dabido · 2013-02-28 22:18 · Score: 1

Thanks to global warming icebergs are no longer a threat! :-)

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