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Gaza's Only Power Plant Knocked Offline
necro81 (917438) writes "Gaza's only power plant (see this profile at IEEE Spectrum — duct tape and bailing wire not included) has been knocked offline following an Israeli strike. Reports vary, but it appears that Israeli tank shells caused a fuel bunker at the plant to explode. Gaza, already short on electricity despite imports from Israel and Egpyt, now faces widening blackouts."
Why doesn't Israel just nuke that shithole?
Israel is sure doing a good job in that area creating more enemies, if that is their intention, the plan is working.
Depending on just how freshwater is distributed in Gaza, and the infrastructure demands it has, this could mean a lot more heat exhaustion, and water-borne infection related deaths.
Even a smallish percentage of people being affected is a huge number of people dying in a high temperature densely packed urban environment.
is a bunker so an obvious military target.
Those terrorist deserve a swift death in the nuclear fire!
Then there would be nothing to fight over and maybe some peace at last.
Isn't hitting civilian infrastructure terrorism?
Posting AC because of all you politically-correct pussies who think any criticism of Zionists, no matter how radical they are or what they do, is "anti-semitic."
But it appears that the only lesson that SOME Jews learned from Hitler was "Hey, *we* should do that when *we're* in charge!" Ghettos, ethnic oppression, etc. Looks like they learned from the best. I just hope it doesn't come down to the ovens.
Do you propose that all concentration camps should be nuked? Gaza is a concentration camp. Until Israel gives all it's citizens equal voting rights, it is nothing more than one of earths most ugly prisons*.
* What does that make the Israelis?
I forgot: If Israel nukes Gaza, they would in effect nuke them selves. It's like New Jersey nuking New York.
Israel targeted the school deliberately, says it was warned after the fact *(It wasn't.) Then blamed Hamas. Now we know the truth, days later.
The question is will the US continue to veto UN action to hold this rogue terrorist state to task?
...from your territitory and chances are good that you won't get missles fired back at you. Sign a document to that effect and you will most likely have peace.
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
duct tape and bailing wire not included
bail: to clear of water by dipping (usually followed by out ): to bail out a boat
bale: to make (hay, etc) into a bale or bales
Try "baling". Also, try not using words you don't understand.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
I mean more than the average slashdotter?
Note: modding this down makes as much sense as negotiating with somone who denies your right to life.
Storing rockets in a school is most definitely Hamas' fault.
How's that working out for you.
Since 1948 the Palestinians have insisted on their right to resist. One has to ask,
"How's that working out for you"?
Seriously, how's that working out for you.
In 48 the UN partitioned the area between the Jews & the Arabs. The Jews accepted it and the Arabs did not. BTW the Arabs had more territory then the 67 borders. Of course the Arabs maintained their right to resist. From 48 to 67 the West Bank & Gaza was in Arab hands, but rather then create a country for their people the Arabs kept their people in Refugee camps to continue the Resistance. Again,
How did that work out for you?
After 67 there was an open offer of land for peace from Israel, but the Arabs maintained their right to resist.
How did that work out for you?
In 2005 the PA assured Israel that Gaza would be demilitarized. In 2007 Hamas took control of Gaza, killing hundreds of Fatah men, and maintained their right to resist.
How's that working out for you?
Maybe, just maybe, it's time to stop resisting and just start building you country. Look at what Israel did in that time. The Palestinian people, not their leaders, that I've known, have been smart, hardworking, industrious people, who, in my opinion, could give Israel a run for its money as a start up nation.
The real tragedy here is that some of Israel's neighbors hate Israel so much that they are willing to fight her to the very last Palestinian and Hamas is more than happy to let that happen. It truly is tragic.
I have karma to burn, and anti-Jewish, anti-Christian Islamist terrorism really, really ticks me off, so what the hell.
If the murdering thugs from Hamas hadn't slurped off tens of millions of dollars in humanitarian aid to build terror tunnels and hundreds of terror rockets instead of paying attention to the decaying infrastructure that was the specific target of the humanitarian aid, then that power plant would have been in much better condition. If the murdering thugs from Hamas hadn't insisted in raining rockets on innocent Israeli citizens for months and years, then the Israeli military wouldn't have been forced to fight yet another war to cut down on the growing threat to the lives and safety of said Israeli citizens. If the murdering thugs from Hamas didn't insist on using mosques, schools, hospitals and private residences for stockpiling weapons and for firing on Israeli troops, then the death toll and damage to critical infrastructure would have been vastly lessened.
The Israelis already have lost a significant number of troops specifically from having been so careful to conduct pinpoint strikes and to put their troops in harm's way rather than simply flatten every possible Gazan target from afar. My sympathies lie utterly and totally with hard-pressed Israeli troops and not with the disingenuous apologists for murder and terrorism who frantically, convulsively and endlessly vomit pro-jihadist propaganda.
The squirming slugs who hysterically refuse to recognize Hamas and other Islamoterrorist groups as constituting quite literally 100 percent of the source of all war and misery in the Middle East should crawl back under their rocks and quietly excrete their slime until they suffocate and fossilize in dried crud.
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This one seems to be caused by a tiny percentage of assholes on both sides. Peace will never be in the assholes' best interest as it will reduce the amount of control the assholes have over their populations. Dozens of times during my lifetime peace has been within reach, only to be shattered by some asshole on one side or the other. Until such time as leaders arise on both sides who are interested and committed to a peaceful solution, this situation will not change.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Don't suppose anyone knows the current state of affairs with regard to the power plant?
I would call the Israelis "animals" for what they're doing to the Gazans, except that I know of no species so cruel and vicious.
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
In a war between countries, power generation facilities are a legitimate target.
Remeber the dambasters of WWII
Of course as far as Hamas is concerned, any target in Israel is fair game, so they shouldn't complain.
The only peaceful solution is for the Palestinians to be relocated elsewhere in the world, (I am sure there are much more hospitible places with better climate and resources) and Israel, and the global jewish community that supports them should pay for the relocation.
I have karma to burn, and anti-Jewish, anti-Christian Islamist terrorism really, really ticks me off, so what the hell.
Seems you're ok with the anti-muslim terrorism being visited on children in Gaza by the israeli military. Dead children, killed by the military, to instill fear.
Let's see, if Hamas stopped the rocket attacks, tunnels and kidnappings, Israel wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Keep this up for 5-10 years and they'd probably end up with a reasonable situation. But instead, they hold fast to their ideology, launch random rockets attacks, and create tunnels with the intention of kidnapping Israeli citizens. Repeatedly. And then complain when they get stepped on.
Spewing ideology works wonders with the faithful (see Tea Party advocates) but reality has to interrupt at some point.
when your country is getting smaller an smaller because another one is expending,i would get mad also,but hei, Israel is right to kill the last people of their conquered lands while none is actually getting involved in this.
Don't speak of the peace and humanitarian gestures when all this are a cover up for the land stealing.Look at the fucking evolving map starting with 1947 before you make this kind of nazi comments.Go back to your cave where you can kill and pillage all you can in the name of your god.
I would have believed it if they just said there were WMD's in the area and they had to secure the threat
Please, someone explain to me how seemingly rational and normal people who seem to have it all together and seemingly hold a good sum of beliefs that can be called measured and critical can demonize Israel for defending themselves...in an amazingly measured manner I must say...in a lion's den of homicidal and genocidal area of the world against a people who will accept nothing but their destruction (it's in their charter or something) when all these other dudes (who happen to be a designated terrorist organization) by NATO..I think, at least by the US)...and.... ...you know what, fuck it. People who complain about Israel and make martyrs out of HAMAS are truly fucking deluded or stupid.
hate more.
The irony is that early in this round of fighting rockets fired by Hamas into Israel hit power equipment in Israel used to supply power to Gaza knocking out power to tens of thousands in Gaza - a self inflicted goal on the part of Hamas. the Israelis promptly fixed it restoring power to tens of thousands of people in Gaza. I doubt that most people are aware in the first place that Israelsuppliez much of the power to Gaza or that the Palestinian governing authorities are perpetually behind in their payments for the power but despite that the Israelis don't turn off the power.
Anyway, I wouldn't read much into this story, it was probably a stray shell that caused the problem. In the this as in all other things, the Israelis are grossly inefficient at harming civilians and civilian infrastructure. If the wanted to harm civilians they would follow the lead of Syria, who has managed to kill more civilians in couple of years than soldiers and civilians that the Israelis have managed to kill in 65 years.
Incidentally the NYT reported yesterday that the civilian death toll in Ukraine has now reached 800 - if you add the 300+ Ukrainian army deaths plus the unknown number of rebel dead it is greater than the death toll in Gaza. Now comes news of 20 more civilian dead overnight including 5 elderly when an old age home was hit by shells fired by the Ukrainian army.
So many people here calling for the extermination of all the Palestinians. Blaming them for resisting an occupation!?
Why don't you just get you fleshlight ready and crack open a can of Cyclon B?
The militarization of a population is a direct and predictable result of occupation. An occupation that is entirely the responsibility of Isreal.
Isreal as a pure jewish state doesn't have the right to exist any more than a pure arian state. They stole that land. That is what happened. Right of return!
The only legitimate targets in this occupation that Isreal is responsible for is isrealis. The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves. Using violence like Hamas is doing is stupid but technically legal. Notice that Isreal is not calling for any war crimes trials. Far from it.
The murders committed by individually responsible Isreali soldiers are not even making a dent in the palestinian population. While the isreali population is in an irreversible decline.
The conflict will eventually cool down. The isrealies will call the palestinians seperatists for a while, when they realize that the one state solution is best for them. They will not succede. There will be two states. One for the palestinians and one for the isrealies and all the arabs the will work there and over time form what is essentially an islamic isreal.
Good luck with the "nuke all the evil brown people and their evil children" politics. You surpass the nazis in schadenfreude.
A job well done. Try keeping your rockets to yourself next time.
Trying to blame Israel for very real world-wide problem of Muslim-on-neighbor violence is missing the root cause. The Palestinians and most Muslims have been taught from age zero to hate the Jews because of the lunatic ravings of their "prophet." Their Qur'an is filled with war tactics and how to treat the enemy, which is everyone who doesn't believe in their god. And the vast majority of Muslims believe in Sharia law that enforces these barbaric 8th century laws. Browse thereligionofpeace.com for a few insights into the real source of the problem.
imho, that's the real question people should ask themselves. if one can extract oneself from the insane notion that our propaganda presents, that of 'THIS time, an escalation of VIOLENCE will SURELY lead to PEACE!" then once you realize this pattern has repeated .. forever.. and never worked.. the remaining conclusions are to me a) pockets of humanity are literally insane, and b) someone (or group of someones) is benefiting from all this activity. it behooves us all to ask ourselves who this might be, as it will likely shed light on the truer drivers.
Israel wants to wipe Palestine off the map and claim all the land their for their own.
This much should be obvious through the military attacks and new settlements being built.
Why won't anyone just admit that Israel wants to see the genocide of Palestinians?
Israel never bombed their own citizens, you probably mean Hamas.
The people living in Gaza are not citizens of Israel? They are for all practical purposes since this is territory controlled by Israel. So in real terms how is this anything other than a civil war? Both sides are bombing each other and neither side is willing to be calm or rational. If you ever needed a better example of why I think organized religion is a terrible thing I certainly cannot find it.
Israeli citizens has all the rights that Americans have.
Tell that to the people living in Gaza. I'm sure they'll agree that their "rights" aren't being trampled on in any way and I'm sure they're fine with being kept in what amounts to a large prison camp with walls and guards.
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of Neandertals.
Israel has also offered legitimacy to the Palestinian government in exchange for a cease fire and removing the language in the charter to kill all jews.
I will. First how about reading foreign news sources outside of the US and Israel. The US news media is so one sided along with being incompetent. Fox News is so goddamn pro-Israel they should have a Star of David in their logo.
Secondly, how about Israel allowing the creation of a Palestinian State.
No? Can't have that because of security? Or is it that they want to allow more Israelis to steal Arab land, bulldoze old olive groves and call them "settlers"?
You know, this whole settler bullshit is a cheap negotiating ploy. Some assholes steal someone's land and during negotiations, Israel has the nerve to use the stolen land as something that has to be given up.
And every time there's about to be peace, it is mostly Israel who fucks it up. Why?
Because they can. They have their trained dog - the USA - to be their backup.
And considering the constant lying of Israel in regards to this matter, they have no moral standing.
It is also too bad that the Palestinians blew their moral high ground when Ariel Sharon pulled that stunt years ago when he went to the temple mount.
Israel does not want peace.
Fucking disgusting.
Anyway, all those people deserve what they get because they created their own karma, baby!
No matter what anyone wants to believe, the voices of the dead speak for themselves.
Also, it takes 2 to dance, to claim they are 100% to blame is picayune.
Instead of making opprobrious remarks, why not include some EVIDENCE to back up your claims?
Or do you just want to regurgitate the propaganda spoon fed to you.
Gee, seems nobody is on your side except your own kind (terrorists). Everyone hates you and you have nowhere to go.
How do you like how that feels?
In the not so distant past there was another ethnic group in those shoes, and who ended up suffering the greatest genocide in world history... gee I can't remember who that was... oh right, the Jews.
We're getting really tired of your bullshit. You're living on 141 square miles of prime seafront real estate that I am sure has a better use than being a cesspool of indignant, entitled, welfare-sucking parasites with a penchant for murdering innocent people in the name of a false prophet.
Maybe you ought to learn a little bit from history before the rest of us decide that the world really would not miss you.
Which one will the US government assist? Of course when you do the math, the answer becomes clear.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Hamas started it and reuses to agree to any proposed cease fire.
Doesn't matter who started it. That's an argument that children make to justify their own bad behavior. There is no innocent party here.
Israel isn't the group calling for the extermination, Hamas is.
Israel has turned Gaza into a large open air prison. Many people in Gaza are innocent of any criminal action and yet they are made to suffer along with the terrorists. Israel will not give any voice in government to anyone who is not Jewish. Israel is not remotely being a fair minded party here. They conquered this territory and haven't done a good job of winning hearts and minds. They aren't going to convince the extremists but they could have convinced the more reasonable people to deal with the extremists. There is no evidence I can see that this was ever tried with any serious intent.
Israel has also offered legitimacy to the Palestinian government in exchange for a cease fire and removing the language in the charter to kill all jews.
Hamas is not the Palestinian government. Neither is Fatah which is the other major political group involved. They are roughly akin to political parties with a percentage of their membership (particularly Hamas) who are radical. There are extremists in the Israeli government too and they keep provoking the Palestinians even when it is clearly not a good idea. Neither side is listening to what the other cares about and neither has been willing to do what it will take to bring peace.
You also have to consider that the Palestinian people as a whole are not Hamas, in the same way the Northern Ireland population were not the IRA.
And yet the Palestinians have not rejected Hamas wholesale either. Obviously a large percentage of the Palestinian people supports Hamas and their goals. Some don't but clearly not enough to clear out the radicals willing to use force. The Israelis for their part are just as bad. They keep electing people who support policies that they know are provocative to the Palestinians and they damn well ought to know what the results of those policies will be by this point.
See here at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHC8KC5cLs8
More than 2000 years these problems have been around, why are we expecting change now? There are 2 ways to "win" this.
1. The Chinese method of "Invade us if you want, in 2 generations you will be us."
2. The American method, which worked very well on the native Americans.
As it is, the people of Gaza (Hamas, PLO, whatever) will continue to poke the fate bear. It is classic bear baiting with the world anchoring Israel's chain.
It will only get uglier from here on out as Hamas knows that wars are now fought in the media, so if you can get Israel to kill women, children, and babies you have a better chance of changing which side gets support.
So what do you think should be Israel's response to the constant bombing of their country?
Here's a notion. How about trying to win the hearts and minds of the people who aren't trying to bomb Israel and get them on Israel's side? This conflict will NEVER be won by force of arms unless we countenance genocide. If Israel really wants to have a solution they need to listen to what the Palestinians are saying and actually work out a deal. They need to bring economic prosperity to the region and give it a voice in political matters even though the people there aren't Jewish. If they need to establish separate nation states then do that. Stop moving into contested territories. Stop making Gaza an outdoor prison camp. Kindness might work here. Bullets never will.
The fact that Israel hasn't just wiped the country off the map is perplexing to me. It is usually what happens when a weak country continues to poke at a stronger one.
So you are proposing that the Jews commit genocide? Have you forgotten the Holocaust? If ANYONE would be reluctant to do that I should think it would be the Jewish people.
The Gazans also destroyed the water de-salinization plant the Isrealis GAVE them.
what I don't understand is why the civilians don't flee to Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon or another country? I'm not familiar with the conflict between Reuven Rivlin, Hamas and Mahmoud Abbas. I must be missing something. I almost moved to another state during a big manhunt for a fugitive in my town a few years ago.
I could not dream of a better argument for distributed non-centralized power generation than this conflict. This region is by most accounts very sunny, and would be a perfect test case for distributed solar generation (or possibly even wind they are coastal in Gaza). Now there are some real impediments to achieving such a system, i.e. embargo/blockade by controlling nation-state. If there were the political will in Gaza to smuggle in power generation technologies rather than armaments along with the supplies needed for survival this might actually be a possibility.
For the general populace on both sides, this must seem like having a rather protracted sword of Damocles hanging over for decades. No one ever interviewed does not want this problem to be resolved This of course brings the real question up, why does this conflict not resolve itself? The answer is not simple. There is of course the media horse race, religion_A v. religion_B, argument. This may motivate the extremists on either side. One must consider the fact that there are significant economic resource impediments, the sides are being used in a geopolitical proxy fight, and the idea of ethnic identity defining statehood is historically problematic.
This region is resource constrained for multiple reasons. For Gaza, it is ridiculously population dense. For the region in general there are simply not enough water resources for everyone. These problems are not insurmountable, but when negotiating for independence things like water rights (ground and surface), and when determining the border who gets the nice farm land greenacre vs. who gets arid brownacre/desertacre. The Palestinians are currently dependent on foreign aide, charitable organizations, etc. This is problematic as well for obvious reasons that liberal and conservative scholars will attest. Foreign aide has strings attached so it prevents using resources efficiently (money for a water treatment plant, but no sewers for example). Foreign aide also creates dependency and prevents the growth of local markets. (There is one argument from each side.) This is not even scratching the surface of other natural resources, fly over rights, etc.
This fight is also one between many geopolitical rivals. Just as the European empires of the last two centuries spurred fights and unrest, so too do the economic empires of our current time. Players like other middle east oil states, Iran, EU, Russia, Syria, and of course the US of A. There are mixed foreign interests in this region not to mention NGOs (not the charity kind) who thrive and exist for reasons completely external to this conflict. Iran funds these one set of guys, we give money to Israel, and Russia helps Syria politically, who funds a different set of guys, and so on and so forth. This is an oversimplification of course, but we can see that this is about influence. Without this conflict, many countries and NGOs lose bargaining powers.
Historically, if we use solely ethnic identity to define statehood/nationhood we create weak states in the long run. The problem is of course the majorities and minorities of ethnic groups wax and wane. Assume Blueland has a minority Purple People population. Assume Blueland is founded on the concept that it is for the the Blueanese. Eventually if due to birth rates the Purpleansi become a large enough minority, the state will either have to amend its founding principles to include the Purpleansi or there will be a conflict. So, right now there is a Jewish state of Israel, and an Islamic pseudo-state of Palestine. Let's say in 100 years the Zoroastrian minority in Israel has a baby boom and are now a big population in both. Houston we have a problem. See the post-colonial mess that is other Middle Eastern States, Africa, etc.
These arguments are oversimplifications, but are just a Slashdot post with no sourcing to describe some of the problem. The solutions are probably as most solutions, difficult. Vote the leaders all out of power would be one really good start. Good Luck with that, we c
Let us cleanse Europe of this parasite. They can fight the Arabs to the death over their little sandbox but it should not concern white people. Europe for Whites.
The people in Gaza are not Israeli citizens.
And yet Israel insists on controlling the territory. They may not get a vote but they ARE Israeli citizens until such time as Israel actually stops trying to control their political processes and truly leaves. Israel conquered the territory, they control what goes in or out and they fairly regularly send their military in. Even the maps show Gaza as a part of Israel. What they have done is to conquer a territory full of people who don't like Israel and never made a secret of that and then treated them badly for a long time. Shocking why things have gone badly.
Since I'm sure you'll mention the naval blockade, So for your information, the blockade was enacted in June 2007, when the Palestinians elected a terrorist organization (Hamas) to lead them, and started firing rockets in to Israel. Btw, right after their election, Hamas eradicated PLO members from the Gaza strip (which were *relatively* moderate muslims), through a series of violent clashes.
Yep, both sides are doing all sorts of evil things to each other. That's what happens in a civil war. Ever consider that a big part of the reason Hamas has such a large voice is because of the decades of stupid decisions by Israel? I totally get that Israel is a bit touchy given that they are surrounded by neighboring nations who have to put it mildly been quite hostile. But this is a conflict that will NEVER be won with bullets or walls. It will be won with cooperation and discussion and genuine caring about others.
Until there's another holocaust.
I think there was a Big Bang Theory ep where Sheldon tried to solve the "Isreal Problem" or however it is put. Since this is slashdot I wish someone would really explore some possible tech solutions being proposed. I've always wanted someone to put the problem in monetary terms. If it were possible to give every resident of gaza a million dollars to move to another country you could just buy them out. Obviously that is not possible, but there might be a number below that which would buy out enough of the population to be effective.
Not saying money is all that is at play here, but it certainly seems like something a bit more objective than all these fuzzy arguments about human rights or religious mandate.
In fact, aren't there Muslims in the Knesset?
Show me another country in the region that has a single Jew or Christian in office
Iraq used to have a Christian in the Cabinet - until Uncle Sam killed him
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Over at the Wall Street Journal Bret Stephens questions the claim that as many as 1,023 Palestinian lives have been lost in the conflict. The column is paywalled but can be accessed for free via the WSJ Opinion Facebook Page.
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Israel claims that it is merely exercising its right to self-defense and that Gaza is no longer occupied. Here’s what you need to know about these talking points and more.
Israel has killed almost 800 Palestinians in the past twenty-one days in the Gaza Strip alone; its onslaught continues. The UN estimates that more than 74 percent of those killed are civilians. That is to be expected in a population of 1.8 million where the number of Hamas members is approximately 15,000. Israel does not deny that it killed those Palestinians using modern aerial technology and precise weaponry courtesy of the world’s only superpower. In fact, it does not even deny that they are civilians.
Israel’s propaganda machine, however, insists that these Palestinians wanted to die (“culture of martyrdom”), staged their own death (“telegenically dead”) or were the tragic victims of Hamas’s use of civilian infrastructure for military purposes (“human shielding”). In all instances, the military power is blaming the victims for their own deaths, accusing them of devaluing life and attributing this disregard to cultural bankruptcy. In effect, Israel—along with uncritical mainstream media that unquestionably accept this discourse—dehumanizes Palestinians, deprives them even of their victimhood and legitimizes egregious human rights and legal violations.
This is not the first time. The gruesome images of decapitated children’s bodies and stolen innocence on Gaza’s shores are a dreadful repeat of Israel’s assault on Gaza in November 2012 and winter 2008–09. Not only are the military tactics the same but so too are the public relations efforts and the faulty legal arguments that underpin the attacks. Mainstream media news anchors are inexplicably accepting these arguments as fact.
Below I address five of Israel’s recurring talking points. I hope this proves useful to newsmakers.
1) Israel is exercising its right to self-defense.
As the occupying power of the Gaza Strip, and the Palestinian Territories more broadly, Israel has an obligation and a duty to protect the civilians under its occupation. It governs by military and law enforcement authority to maintain order, protect itself and protect the civilian population under its occupation. It cannot simultaneously occupy the territory, thus usurping the self-governing powers that would otherwise belong to Palestinians, and declare war upon them. These contradictory policies (occupying a land and then declaring war on it) make the Palestinian population doubly vulnerable.
The precarious and unstable conditions in the Gaza Strip from which Palestinians suffer are Israel’s responsibility. Israel argues that it can invoke the right to self-defense under international law as defined in Article 51 of the UN Charter. The International Court of Justice, however, rejected this faulty legal interpretation in its 2004 Advisory Opinion. The ICJ explained that an armed attack that would trigger Article 51 must be attributable to a sovereign state, but the armed attacks by Palestinians emerge from within Israel’s jurisdictional control. Israel does have the right to
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Never been known to fail..."
Channel 10 Israel today reports via Times of Israel (http://tinyurl.com/mxsgx44) "that 20 Palestinians who participated in an anti-war protest in the Gaza Strip were rounded up by Hamas and summarily executed as alleged Israeli collaborators yesterday.
Reports yesterday indicated that 30 suspected collaborators have been executed by Hamas thus far, but it isn’t clear whether that figure included the 20 anti-war protesters."
Channel 2 Israel (via same link) also reports "that disgruntled Palestinians in Beit Hanoun clashed with Hamas policemen after an argument with UNRWA employees over food coupons yesterday. The police opened fire on the Palestinians, killing two and injuring dozens, the report says."
Also read that a French-Arab journalist in Gaza who reported on Hamas' command and control buried on Shifa hospital in Gaza city was intimidated so badly by Hamas police that he asked his paper to retract the story and fled Gaza.
I think it's worth remembering who the different sides are when we are discussing this conflict. Hamas is anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-freedom of speech, anti-freedom of press, anti-freedom of religion, anti-democratic, and generally anti-modern (except for methods of population control and military related stuff)
The people in Gaza are not Israeli citizens
And yet Israel insists on controlling the territory...Let us step back a little and look at other parts in the world ...
In West Germany, it used to that the children born of Turkish parents do not Gemany citizenship
In Japan, the ethnic Koreans whose ancestors were enslaved by the invading Japanese soldiers and brought over to Japan to work as slaves, do not get Japanese citizenship
In Malaysia, only the ethnic Malays get to be first class citizens - for the others, no matter how many generations they had been staying in that country, they are 2nd class / 3rd class citizens, by law
Did we not attack Iraq infrastructure, including the Iraq power grid and telecommunications network at the start of the Iraq war? Are Israel and Hamas, the elected government of Gaza, not at war? Civilians suffer in war, that is why it is best to not go to war against a superior force or support a government that does so on your behalf.
If you are curious why so many children are killed in Gaza, look at this footage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Everyone in that area has hated them for thousands of years, what new enemies are there to create?
This is utter bullshit. If an enemy is trying to kill you, you try to kill them — using the best weapons you've got, hitting them as hard as possible. Because they are doing their best.
That lie was exposed as such, when the Gazans voted — in free and internationally-observed elections — for Hamas.
Contrary to the haters' portrayal, IDF are not indiscriminate killers they don't need this sort of calculations to try their hardest to avoid killing innocent civilians. Shit still happens, unfortunately.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Nobody is campaigning to keep the homosexuals unable to marry — they are unable to do so already. Not because they have no right — only because they have no ability.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Several important facts are missing from the summary. The only correct one is that, yes, Gaza's only power plant has been attacked.
However:
1. The effect of this power plant being out of commission is relatively minor. Gaza receives most of its electricity (and water), whether in war or peace, from, guess who - Israel. And no, they don't pay their bills (their debt is around $500 million). In fact the bizarre and twisted reality in the Middle East today is that the Israeli taxpayer is funding electricity for the enemy's rocket manufacturers.
2. The Israeli army has denied firing anywhere near the power plant and there is a high probability that the attack was a misfired Hamas rocket or mortar bomb, similar to other recent cases where Hamas rockets have killed Gazans.
3. About 50,000 Gazans have already been in a blackout for a couple of weeks since a Hamas rocket fell near one of the power lines supplying Gaza with electricity from Israel. The Israeli Electric Company will not risk its technicians' lives to repair this line while under enemy fire, thank you very much.
I find it interesting that pretty much all posts in support of the Gazans have been moderated down, yet there seem to be an awful lot of such posts. There's nothing like censorship by the mods to ensure that all viewpoints aren't heard equally. So with the expectation of being moderated down...
Israel likes to claim they're targetting Hamas installations. Yet if that's the case, each of those installations they've targetted has only launched an average of less than two rockets at Israel, when you consider the number of rockets Israel claims have been launched vs. the number of sites they've targetted.
It seems to me rather highly unlikely that Hamas has actually got *that* many rocket launchers, considering they have to be smuggled in.
Another common thread is the "terror tunnels." Don't forget that Gaza is isolated and has to smuggle in supplies. There is no way to tell whether a tunnel was being used for smuggling goods in or attackers out, but given that there have only been *two* reports of Hamas sending attackers through the tunnels, I think it's safe to say that those tunnels were being used primarily to smuggle in goods.
Well over a 1000 Gazans have been killed, the vast majority civilians. In the meantime, only 3 Israeli civilians have been killed. As to the soldiers on both sides, I *expect* them to die -- they're in battle. I've no sympathy for dead soldiers on either side.
I don't see how anyone can take a "moderate" stance on the issue. Israel invaded Palestine. Israel destroys Gazan homes to make room for settlements in violation of the Geneva conventions. Israel targets civilian infrastructure. Israel has tanks, planes, missiles, and gun emplacements; the Gazans have some pretty-much-useless rocket launchers that don't do any damage to Israeli infrastructure.
The Gazans are walled in, have no where to escape to, and are, for the most part, just civilians trying to survive. Bleat as they will about "self defence", I don't buy the Israeli arguments for this violent and genocidal assault on the civilians of Gaza. Not one bit.
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I saw a map yesterday showing Israel's true intent: with the exception along the Egypt border, they've evenly shoved into the Gaza territory by three klicks. They will be adding that territory to Israel proper with a clear message sent: keep attacking us, and we'll slowly drive you into the sea. I'm just surprised it hasn't happened before now.
Both sides are killing women, children, elderly, and the injured. Both are depraved entities that have lost their humanity a long time ago. There is no right side and wrong side, there's just two monsters attacking each other and killing innocent people.
I wish Slashdot wouldn't report news like this, because Israel and Palestine will fight until the end of days. It's a never-ending conflict and both sides are more concerned about spilling blood than finding peace.
Eliminating the only power plant will probably end electrical service for Gaza...and that will be hardship. No power means no pumps for water and sewage, no air conditioning or heat, no light, no electric cooking, no computers, no digital controls, etc. Electricity is a requirement for comfortable modern living. But...Hamas chose to launch not one, but hundreds, maybe thousands of missiles at Israel. The people in Gaza chose to accept the missiles or at least look the other way. Hamas was elected by the Gaza population to be their leaders...another choice. Launching missiles at someone is...war...and war is not comfortable, safe, clean, easy or without cost. When you go to war, people die and those left behind are going to be without comfort until the war ends. If Hamas was in Canada and chose to launch missiles at Boston, the United States would never rest until every last one of the missiles was eliminated, Hamas was destroyed, and a new more-friendly government had taken Hamas's place. As it is, Israel has been remarkably restrained. Yes, thousands of Gazans will likely die before the war is over. That is war. War kills. Gaza chose war. War has arrived. Be glad that there is no war whereever you are and never, never, never choose war.
If the American slaves would have just been APPRECIATIVE of what they had , the USA wouldn't have had that whole civil war mess. How the fuck is this insightful? Fuck you Slashdot!
Is that 2 weeks beforehand, Hamas stuck an Israeli power plant that supplies them power: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/182859#.U9fpMPldV8E
This is in spite of the fact that Gaza is $1.5 billion behind on their bill payment (!!) and are simultaneously launching rockets at the very country that is supplying them this power.
They bit the hand that fed them and the world said absolutely nothing. Israel has been supplying power to Gaza for decades now. If they wanted to, they could have cut power a long time ago but did not. This contradicts any reports that Israeli is intentionally targeting Gazan power plants.
Hamas is intentionally targeting civilians. It has publicly said so and (more importantly) done so for many decades now. They kidnap and murder Israeli civilians. They call for Israel's destruction without room for negotiation. There are plenty of video evidence proving this and on the other hand proving that Israel has aborted important military targets because of the presence of civilians. Hamas has released numerous videos praising their people for acting as human shields. So don't take our word for it. Take *their* word for it.
Your post simply shows how often international NGOs depend witnesses that later turn out to be Hamas members. NGOs have neither the time, funding or expertise to witness these events first-hand so they rely on Hamas members instead. When a rocket lands on a school and witnesses say it came from Israel, they don't have the necessary expertise to actually reach that conclusion. Hamas' own rockets have landed *inside* Gaza hundreds of times in the past two weeks. Do you honestly think none of these caused Gazan civilian deaths? And yet, the media hasn't reported once of such an event. Funny that, eh?
The storyline put forth goes like so: this all started when Hamas kidnapped three teenagers and then killed them in June. Israel launched a search and rescue mission, and Hamas responded by firing rockets.
But it's all bullshit. The month before the teens were kidnapped, the IDF straight up murdered two Palestinian boys in the street. And the month before that Israel tried to provoke Hamas by murdering one of its members the same night that Hamas and Fatah announced a unity agreement. The day before the kidnapping, Israel murdered a member of Hamas they accused of planning rocket attacks. Despite Israel's repeated violations of it's own cease fire agreement with Hamas, the latter did not respond in kind. Finally, not only had Hamas not fired any rockets since the last time Israel violated a cease fire in 2012, it had helped arrest those who had.
But Bibi found the excuse he needed with the kidnappings of the three teenagers. Despite being pretty damned sure they were all dead - you can hear gunshots over one of the teens cell phones and the car was soon found full of blood and bullet casings - they spent weeks arresting Palestinians and bulldozing homes in Gaza for a kidnapping in the West Bank even after the Palestinian Authority was helping search for the missing teens. And even Israeli outlets admit that rockets were only fired in response to IDF attacks:
At least 16 rockets were fired at Israel Monday morning, most of them hitting open areas in the Eshkol region, the army said. The security sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, assessed that Hamas had probably launched the barrage in revenge for an Israeli airstrike several hours earlier which killed one person and injured three more.
Since then, a thousand Palestinians have died, many of them children, for which the population equivalent would be over 200,000 people getting killed in the U.S. If anyone is defending themselves, it's Hamas defending the people of Gaza from racist Israeli provocation and aggression.
The whole reason Israel runs Gaza is because the United States and Rothchilds selected them, and subsequent infighting resulted in the largely by the United States loyal Israeli's genociding an entire race of people and outright killing them.
It's a bit of a cop out to pretend that civilians in The United States can't be blamed for Israel - they can, they voted for them, and voted for billions of military funding, and they supported absolute domination and genocide of an entire race, those who supported Israel were hailed sickly and derangedly as heros and god's people.
So the Americans in the United States share an awful lot of the blame for Hamas is actions - they actively create and support the environment in which Hamas can do what it keeps doing.
Fixed that for you.
Sure, restarting turbines with car batteries is neat and all, but it was 5 years ago. Why is this relevant?
Religion only figures into it as far as it being the justification for a bunch of immigrants from Europe and the U.S. moving to another continent and laying claim to all of the land in a certain territory from people of another faith.
Religion is no more central to this conflict than was Manifest Destiny or South African Apartheid.
Hamas hadn't fired any rockets since 2012, prior to being struck multiple times by Israel. That's not according to Hamas, but Israeli officials. What was Hamas doing? Arresting groups that did.
And all this in a rampage through Gaza for kidnappings in the West Bank when Israeli authorities knew pretty damned well that the kids were already dead, between the shots heard over a cell phone call to the car being found full of blood and bodies.
You're just another imperialist blaming the victims of imperialism.
Sign a document with people that want to exterminate you and your family for...peace...
You are Neville Chamberlain and I claim my 5 dollars.
blogging on Israel/palestine, is that no one - absolutely no one - seems to have any empathy for the other side
Indeed, even the simplest of "facts" call forth the most vituperative language
Take the phrase "blockade of gaza"
yes, Israel controls 3 sides - but the Egyptians control rafah, at least de facto, and
*the egyptians maintain the blockade, due to palestinian violence and attempts to sneak into egypt* (exactly like the southern us border)
I do have one question: in the last 60 years, has the situtation of the palestinians gotten better or worse ?
Has violence and rejection of Israel helped or hurt them ?
I am in my 50's and all I remember is them (the arabs and israeli's) beating on each other, resting for six months, and then beating on each other again.... There are no good guys there. All sides should be embargoed and no one enters or leaves until they settle things out. If they don't, let them all rot.
CNN just showed the only fire truck and fireman at the scene dragging a hose to the truck. They can make this stuff up as they go along too. Hamas keeps hiding behind their children and keeps shelling Israel, they broke the cease fires. What do they expect will happen? Then they want the sympathy of the world? They started this and Israel will end it. GO ISRAEL. Gitter done.
I'm not kidding, so don't go wacky on it:
If the Palestinians pulled a Ghandi, no violence, do you think they'd achieve their aims faster or slower or the same as they're getting them now.
I have a sneaking suspicion had this been the case, they'd already have had their own country for decades.
Israel has clearly invested in a bunch of astro-turfing goons to load down Slashdot with their crap.
And it seems to work. It seems the psychopaths running Israel have learned the lesson well from their abusive father. Something to the effect of: "The bigger the lie the better; just keep repeating it."
Hell, people in the know don't even buy that Palestinians kidnapped and killed those three teenagers which sparked this current aggression.It is not just possible, but entirely probable that they were murdered by their own government in order to create an excuse for this latest round of genocidal mass murder. There is certainly enough peculiarity surrounding that tale to raise eyebrows.
And on that note, do you ever find it strange that right when Israel launches a new offensive against their captive population that some major event goes down on the world stage which re-directs attention away from their monstrous activities?
Like.., oooh, exploding air passenger liners?
It is worth noting that Malaysian Flight MH17 left from an airport controlled by ICTS, an Israeli security company. -The same one which allowed the infamous "shoe bomber" and the addled "underwear bomber" (who, let it not be forgotten, was walked through security by a man in a suit with the normal screening process waived).
But yeah, sure, keep reading the posts here regurgitating the spin as Israel attempts to convince the world that, gee, THEY are the victims rather than the hundreds of civilians they are murdering. Heck, if you consider that the three teens were the unfortunate terminal subjects of a MOSSAD operation, then Palestine hasn't done anything to deserve the current round of bullying at all, other than exist on their own land.
Not a single Israeli apologist argument holds water, but you cannot convince those who are so pyschologically damaged and cult-programmed that reality is not even able to register as a distant rumble in their brains.
Thankfully, not all Israelis are completely insane. The voice of protest on the Israeli side, (and around the world) by people horrified by what that psychopathic government is doing is only silenced by a compliant media looking the other way.
And, of course, by paid agents sitting in their air conditioned suites furiously keying discussion forums like this one full of stupid arguments and canned bullshit.
"By way of deception..."
The Israelis have a moral obligation to supply electrical power to a country bent on destroying the Jews?
Is it unreasonable to ask that they build their own power sources, their own industries, their own livelihood?
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What the rest of the society considers worthy of recognition as "marriage" should, indeed, be up to that society... This is not about sex-life, which should be up to the willing participants, but about other people's opinions: "We are a married couple!" "No, you are not — you are two men..." "Yes, we are — this new laws says so!"
To force others to consider a particular union as "marriage" may be illiberal...
Sure. And move straight on to fighting the species caveat next, will you not? Or, perhaps, the one person caveat will be next — why can't I be married to two consenting adult human females and an adult male cat — at once, after all? How is that prohibition not discrimination?
Full agreement here — there should be no special provisions for "spouses" in any laws — we are all equal subjects and citizens. Until then, however, "marriage" and "spouse" are legal terms and their precise definitions are up to the legislatures...
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The whole population of what was Palestine has been displaced by those nazis. By an standard, this is called Ethnic Cleansing, and it is a serious Crime Against Humanity. Look at a map of Palestinian land ownership from 1948. The Palestinians didn't just get up one morning, and decide they didn't like living in their own country any more - they were ethnically cleansed by these ultra-racists. The fact that the US media doesn't bother to report this objectively, doesn't change the fact that the rest of the world is showing utter disgust for the current genocide that is occurring in Gaza.
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Several of the power lines bringing power in from Israel to Gaza were cut by Hamas rockets. Oh the irony!
And Hamas is hundreds of millions of dollars behind in paying their power bill. I get cut off if I'm behind a few months. Hamas gets a better deal from Israel than I get from my power company. Life just ain't fair.
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The article you link to was from June 30. It was after then that Hamas increased its rocketing big time.
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Now, why do I put such a subject header on my comment, when I know it will have me branded as 'anti-Semit' before I even start? Well, because it doesn't actually make much difference - as soon as anybody voices any concern over what Israel does to the Palestinians, they are stamped that way, no matter how carefully and well-intended their put their words. But maybe, just maybe, if I start out being provocative, I can get at least somebody in the automatically responding, pro-Israel faction to at least think and try to see the issue in a more nuanced way.
I am not against Israel's right to exist as a nation; I am pragmatic about it. The state that calls itself Israel is no doubt founded on a historically dubious justification, but it is a current reality and that is what we have to consider. But on the other hand, I don't think what Israel is doing is right, not by many miles. It is not right to annex palestinian territory - if it wasn't right of the European nations to establish colonies all over the world in the 18th and 19th centuries, then it isn't right for Israel to do this now.
And how can it be right for Israel to smash up Gaza's infrastructure, hospitals and schools, killing 10 - 100 Palestinians for every Israeli? The answer is of course, that it isn't. And the outcome in the long run is inevitably that Israel will erode the support it has in the rest of the world. The West has been far too permissive with Israel, because of a long, bad conscience for the Holocaust; but the power of Europe and America is on the wane, and the new powers don't have that historical background. At some point you guys will lose all your allies - what will you do then?
Most of us criticise Israel because we care, and because we expect that you can do so much better - if only you would try. But arguing with you is like arguing with Scientology or Jehovah's Witnesses; there is no honest dialogue taking place. All you do is look for ways to mishear or misinterpret any criticism, and find ways to twist it around as a weapon. Sometimes I don't think you guys want friends in the world; sometimes I think you are addicted to this never ending conflict, because if it ends, you have to look at yourselves and see what miserable creatures you have become; caricatures of the evil bullies that broke you during the Holocaust.
The question is will the US continue to veto UN action to hold this rogue terrorist state to task?
As long as Israel keeps buying American-brand munitions, sure they will.
The point isn't that Hamas hasn't fired any rockets, the point is the claim that Israel is responding to rocketfire is a falsehood, when even Israeli officials admit it's the other way around.
Which territorial boundaries are you speaking about? Israel occupied Gaza between 1967 and 2005 and never annexed it. Since 2005, Israeli troops are only visiting Gaza periodically, after accumulating some threshold amount of noisy (and sometimes lethal) invitations from Hamas, but never stay there for a long time, as then the noise of rockets is joined by noise of that special kind of peace lovers who care about peace only if it gives them excuse to blame Jews; when Arabs kill Arabs in neighboring Syria, these peace lovers seem to be quiet and happy. And, do you indeed believe that we are enslaving Gazans by remote control? Really insightful!
What, O wise ./ readers, do you think would happen if Israel simply tore down the walls, removed all checkpoints, and allowed any Palestinian who wanted into Israel to just walk, drive, or ride on in, followed by an apology for their use of force and a promise that future violence would be handled by the police and not the military? I think the one thing everyone can agree on is that what they've been doing so far hasn't worked (on both sides). Maybe something flat out crazy should be tried instead; take a few hits to the jaw to show they're serious about peace. I don't think most people in Palestine would think it a sign of weakness and begin their own genocide, despite any charters or lunatic fringe snippets about "killing every Jew", etc. The vast majority of Palestinians aren't savages, and the real terrorists would lose any reason for further support by the Palestinians. Yes, there would be more terrorist attacks in the short-term inside Israel, but those deaths could be the price for an end to a cycle of perpetual violence.
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Survivors of massacre in Khuza’a say Israeli forces used Palestinians as human shields
Khuza’a is a village in the very eastern part of Khan Younis adjacent to the border fencein the southern Gaza strip. Its farmers have faced death almost on a daily basis in the past 7 years as Israeli gunfire has become the norm along the buffer zone between Gaza and Israel.
Following the Shuja’iyehmassacre, Israeli forces invaded Khuza’a withaerial strikes targeting any moving object. Survivors recall with horror thatseemingly heavy random tank fire led to the killing of dozens, injuring dozens others.
Over 150 of its residents were arrested by Israeli forces. Most of them were released, others are still in detention. Rescue calls were made live on the local radio stations, as many residents were besieged in their homes, unable to leave. Those who managed to leave came under fire as they were fleeing.
Ayman Abu Toaimah, 32, a resident of Khuza’arecalls,“As Israeli invading troops advanced to the village they besieged it and used residents as human shields. When the Israeli army arrested people and then released some of them, they were told they are free to go back to the village, but as they were fleeing they came under fire and some of them shot dead. These people were used as human shields.”
Abu Saleem, 56, a resident of Khuza’aechoedAbu Toaimah,“Israelis claim that Hamas is using us as human shields– how? This is a lie, we do not see fighters in the streets. It’s them, the Israelis who used us as human shields in Khuza’a and Shuja’iyeh. They turned our houses into military posts, terrified residents in the houses. They attacked innocent civilians with their bombs, and missiles, they attacked chicken farms, they burned our crops, they have no mercy.”
What happened in Khuza’a was a massacre. Civilians were killed in their homes and while they were fleeing. Even ambulances were not immune. Paramedics report that Israeli forces stopped ambulances that were trying to reach casualties and tried to arrest a number of wounded. Ambulances came under fire despite the coordination by the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC). Scenes of dead bodies scattered in the streets reminiscent ofthe Sabra and Shatila massacre that took place in two Palestinian refugee camps in 1982 have begun to leak out of the village.
Abu Ali Qudail a resident of Khuza’a said: “When the ICRC told us that ambulances are waiting usat the entrance of the village from the western side, about 1,000 people rushed to leave their homes, some of which were used as a hideout for Israeli forces. As people were leaving they were surprised that the ambulances were not there, and as we were waiting tank shells rained down on our heads.”
Many people were killed, many others injured. Survivors say they could not help the wounded, many were still under the rubble, homes were destroyed and the smell of smoke and bombs was everywhere.
Abu Ali Qudail continued: “I was watching members of my family dying in front of me, some of them were torn to pieces. Rami, Ibrahim, Alia, Haj Abed died..we had to leave them behind, as soon as we reached one of the Khan Younis schools we entered it to seek shelter but it was very crowded with people who fled their homes. It’s hard to see people dying and you do not know what to do. One of my relatives’ homes were struck while they were inside.”
As the all-out Israeli assault on Gaza entered its 19th day, John Kerry announced from Cairo that he proposed a one week ceasefire, but Israel’s PM Netanyahu refused the offer and only agreed to a 12-hour lull.
Ma’an News reports on one family thatfled Khuza’a andwas then killed by an Israeli missile strike in Khan Younis as the ceasefire went into effect:
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1) Let's be clear Hamas has indiscriminantly launched thousands of rockets into Israel. Israel has responded with attacks that they KNOW will result in SOME civilian casualties. The IDF can certainly claim they attempt to minimize civilian harm but by attacking the power plant it is undeniable that they are attempting to end the conflict by making Gaza more unlivable . . . as if that place could get worse. But the price will be paid by the civilian population. It's a fascinating cycle of violence where BOTH sides are responsible for their own behavior yet persist in blaming the other for EVERYTHING. 2) Some people are conflating how Israel treats Gaza/West Bank and how they treat Arabs that live within Israel's borders. Many (if not most) countries lack significant compassion for non-citizens outside their borders but Israeli Arabs are indeed treated as 2nd (or 3rd) class citizens. Could you imagine your parents, grandparents and great grandparents being born somewhere and then a 'country' gets 'created' yet your rights are less due to your religion/ethnicity? It's not apartheid but it's certainly immoral. Israel excuses this behavior by saying allowing full rights to Israeli Arabs would lead to the loss of the 'Jewish nation' within a few generations. Sound familiar? Once you develop the ability to see your neighbor as 'other', almost any behavior becomes excusable in pursuit of what you believe to be the 'greater good' or 'lesser evil'.
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Good god, people. Just stop the madness! A pox on both your houses.
Every time that things flare up between the Palestinians and the Israelis, everyone hops on top of their soap box and starts ranting and raving about how bad the other side is in this conflict, and how high and noble their own cause is.
I just wish that some brave people from both sides of this seemingly endless conflict would be bold enough to lead and make the moves necessary to end all of this killing. It takes two sides to keep this cycle of killing going, so nobody has a moral high road to take in the current situation.
Israel : You can't go on treating the Palestinians like pariahs in their own land. And stop telling me that they bring it on themselves. Their actions are somewhat understandable (not justifiable) given how they are treated.
Palestine : Just recognize the fact that Israel is here to stay, and learn to live side-by-side. They're not going anywhere, so stop pretending that you can make them go away with all of your violence.
I just pray that there are those with bold vision and strong hearts on both sides who can find the common ground necessary to stop this death and destruction.
A prominent Israeli rabbi, Dov Lior with tens of thousands of followers, urged soldiers to “not to hesitate to shoot and kill enemy civilians, including children”.
“There is no such a thing as enemy civilians in war,” the cannibalistic rabbi said.
Kasher churned out elaborate manifestoes justifying Israel’s tactics during Lebanon II and Operation Cast Lead. Kasher’s concepts of warfare are best defined by his explicit justifications for killing unarmed civilians in any instance when an Israeli soldier believed that they were in danger.
http://maxblumenthal.com/2011/03/after-itamar-exploring-the-logic-that-makes-everyone-a-target/
http://maxblumenthal.com/2010/08/how-to-kill-goyim-and-influence-people-leading-israeli-rabbis-defend-manual-for-for-killing-non-jews/
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The west bank has peaceful protest but the west bank has been carved up, just look at how the boundaries have changed over the years, give it a few more years and there wont be a west bank. At least Hamas are attempting to defend their land (I know its a rather horrid way BUT) who is building settlements and occupying foreign land and does so without any care, basically its a slow ON GOING invasion which Hamas are defending. Its only when you see the terms Hamas keep posting and some if it is down right depressing, the last I saw they wanted the 2010 borders returned NOT the 1947 or even the 1960's borders the 2010 borders !!!!