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Intel Drops Gamasutra Sponsorship Over Controversial Editorials
An anonymous reader writes Processor firm Intel has withdrawn its advertising from Gamasutra in response to the site's decision to carry feminist articles. The articles had drawn the ire of the self-described "Gater" movement, a grass-roots campaign to discredit prominent female games journalists. Intel was apparently so inundated with criticism for sponsoring the Gamasutra site that it had no choice but to withdraw support. An Intel spokesperson explained that "We take feedback from our customers very seriously especially as it relates to contextually relevant content and placements" and as such Gamasutra was no longer an appropriate venue for their products."
So called gater movement needs to fuck off and die.
There are people who don't like Anita Sarkeesian or Carolyn Petit or a lot of other people who make it their overbearing agenda to misrepresent reality and gamers and focus 155% on perceived feminism in video games or perceived gender-damaging things. Those people aren't a grass roots movement, or gaters, we're just people who hate bullshit and don't tolerate it. Never heard of these gaters referred to as a group before but wow, give me a break.
This story just keeps getting better and better. The funniest thing is that the two women at the heart of this issue are now 'prominent'. I've even heard one is now an 'award winning, indie game designer'. Har!
I've written at length about this particular topic - it's a bane on the existence of the internet at the moment.
I am not endorsing abusing the woman by any means, but she wrote a deliberately inflammatory article which decided to single handedly lump all gamers in as trouble and make the label gamer a "dirty word" In doing so, she alienated a *LOT* of people who previously had no stake in this entire saga.
People are doing the wrong thing on both sides of the fence on this debate. As someone who has followed it for 6 weeks and dealt with excessive censorship in regards to discussing it too, I recommend simply avoiding this one, it's nasty.
Posting Anon, I really can't be bothered with potential backlash (and this post is hardly spiteful but you never know at the moment)
their advertising because the site will carry female journalists and articles about female gamers? That sounds like the type of decision that backfires on a company.
>> "Processor firm Intel has withdrawn its advertising from Gamasutra in response to the site's decision to carry feminist articles. "
Nope. Intel removes advertising after Gamasutra lead a charge of articles saying gamers were dead. Obviously Intel are quiet taken with PC gamers and the millions they spend on CPU's each year. As Gamasutra was no longer a site targeted at that demographic they decided not to waste the money advertising to people who aren't there.
>> "The articles had drawn the ire of the self-described "Gater" movement, a grass-roots campaign to discredit prominent female games journalists. "
Nope. it's a campaign is to rid Gaming of shitty, biased, corrupt journalists who conspire against their supposed audience. Like whichever anonymous cockroach submitted this article. These same journalists like to hide behind feminists and minorities to avoid criticism.
>> "Intel was apparently so inundated with criticism for sponsoring the Gamasutra site that it had no choice but to withdraw support."
Nope. Intel realised that advertising on sites that are aggressive and hateful towards the demographics being targeted by an ad campaign is counter-productive and a waste of marketing budget.
As ever anti-GG brigade are there telling lies and twisting the truth. So which PR company did this submission company come from Slashdot? We know you know. Anonymous my arse.
They only care that people are complaining, it's a PR thing. They are pulling their advertising because there is some controversy going on with the site, so it's easier to pull out then pick a side and anger people. Intel would plaster their logo on the side of churches if they knew that people wouldn't complain about it.
If you harass any company long enough, they will drop almost any advertising deal that you want. You just need to be loud and obnoxious enough. We got Glenn Beck off the air by whittling his advertisers down to a couple gold scams.
It's a little unsettling that a group that's supposed to be about "corruption" in the "games media" wants to punish "corrupt" "game journalism" websites by making them even more dependent on their sponsors. But then again, the whole thing about GamerGate was punishing a game developer for the crimes of game development while female, having sex while female, and developing non-games (non-game in that it's not catering towards the very narrow Male 18-24 demographic).
Also, "game journalism" is one of the most ridiculous terms I have ever heard. Nobody who reports on games is doing journalism - not unless they're talking non-stop about the industry's horrible working conditions, pervasive contempt for consumers, or ridiculous levels of developer lockdown. Incidentally, those outfits also tend to be the ones who are proudly feminist.
I know that the submitter lifted this line from the article, "campaign to discredit prominent female games journalists", but I read the earlier articles on this subject. The attempt was not to "discredit prominent female games journalists." The attempt was to discredit specific female games journalists, at least one of whom acted in a manner which was calculated to stir up outrage and was possibly unethical (for those of you who want to argue about whether or not her behavior was unethical, I am not interested in spending the time looking at what she did in order to reach a conclusion).
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
Intel has pulled an advertising campaign from video gaming website Gamasutra after it reportedly received a number of complaints from self-identified gamers upset that the site was championing fair gender representation in video games.
When you write:
However, Women's Rights activist/advocates should be firmly expressing their disdain towards this horrible movement of Femi-nazi's.
Why? When people point out that "gamer" no longer includes just a small hard-core subset of males who orgasm over every new video card and think that all female characters in games should have "vital statistics" that would put a Barbie doll to shame, they're not being "femi-nazis." The appeal of games like Minecraft (58% female) shows that the word "gamer" is either an archaism or needs to be updated to include the new reality.
If the old guard doesn't like that women are "invading their space", they need to realize that it's simply not just "their space" any more.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
I can relate, in parts. To the anti-feminists, that is.
I'm sick and tired of getting feminism shoved down my throat absolutely everywhere. There's new laws, most companies have policies, our language is being policed for misunderstood "gender-equality" and that's just the tip of the iceberg.
I'm in full support of women fighting actual oppression. If you can't vote just because you're female, I'm with you on that. If you can't drive a car because you're a female, I'm with you on that. If your boss tells you that short skirt is the appropriate dresscode, while he insists on long trousers for your male colleagues, I'm with you on that.
But the feminazis who insist that absolutely everything has to be exactly 50/50 male/female, then for all I care you can fuck off and die.
Also, let's be honest, many of the most vocal feminists quite publicly state that their goal is not 50/50, but female dominance.
Women in video games is one of the "soft topics". Yeah, it's ridiculous what armor female characters wear sometimes. But you're blind, deaf and stupid if you think it's a gender thing. Look at the male characters - they are all Schwarzeneggers, too. According to my female friends, I'm quite handsome, but most video game characters beat me hands down in both beauty and body shape. It's the same as in movies and magazines - we get idealized, unnaturally enhanced versions of humans.
Could video games improve their representation of women? Sure, they could. But the subject is by far not as simple and clear-cut as voting rights or such.
And frankly speaking, I play video games to relax and shut down. You could keep your politics out of my entertainment and work on improvements in the real world. You know, the one that matters.
Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
They're concerned about being sued by readers for repetitive stress injuries stemming from eye-rolling at these articles.
"in response to the site's decision to carry feminist articles. The articles had drawn the ire of the self-described "Gater" movement, a grass-roots campaign to discredit prominent female games journalists"
I am not going to attribute this to ignorance, this is plain malice trying to discredit #gamergate
as the stuff people were complaining about.
Intel has pulled an advertising campaign from video gaming website Gamasutra after it reportedly received a number of complaints from self-identified gamers upset that the site was championing fair gender representation in video games.
Wow, could this have been written to represent one side any more strongly?
Another would be that video game players(intel's customer) are kind of sick of feminist extremists posting articles about about how all gamers are a bunch of basement dwelling woman haters.
This medium seems to get attacked a lot by people who don't understand it. Which I kind of understand. If you saw someone playing GTA you'd probably think they're a murderous psychopath.
First we had Jack Thompson blaming games for school shootings. And now we have third wave feminists blaming games for some kind of rape epidemic.
Feminazi. Ok, so much for you.
The summary and article are both completely misleading. It's not a political movement. There's nothing political about it, they want a higher standard of journalism. The journalists have been using minorities and women as shields from criticism, hence, #notyourshield.
It isn't about feminism (esp. waves 1 or 2 of feminism), but about journalistic integrity. Third wave feminism actively seeks to undo the equality that waves 1 (and to some extent, 2) of feminism got for women. If you look into the facts, you can see that the journalists:
1. Have close personal relationships - sexual, financial, even living environment - with the subjects they write about. They do not recuse themselves appropriately.
2. They actively collude to push their personal politics.
3. Do not actually like or care about games or gaming.
4. Effectively take bribes.
5. Ostracize those that don't toe the party lines. So they're an asset if you're with them and a huge roadblock if you're not with them. They control most gaming events and actively work to shut down those that they don't control.
6. Dissenting opinions are never expressed in their pieces and facts are scant at best. It's all based on feelings.
7. They do not verify their sources and an egregious example is found directly in TFA. Nobody bothered to verify Anita Sarkeesian's story and somehow it keeps getting parroted as a fact. There have only been a couple people that looked into this and have found that the details are muddy at best and nonexistent at worst. As a result, she's come up with the phrase "listen and believe," but I'm much more a fan of "trust, but verify."
These things would be stomped out in any real journalistic setting. They're clearly violations of ethics and have nothing to do with feminism and only tangentially about feminist pieces where no facts are presented and no opposing opinions or alternative interpretations are presented. It's a stonewall for rationality and an attempt to co-opt gaming like so many institutions before have been co-opted by this PC crowd.
The *only* reason anybody thinks it's about feminism is the fact that the journalists tried to paint the side demanding better journalism as "misogynists" and the fact that they can screenshot your average Internet troll.
A real journalist better start looking into the factual portion of this soon, otherwise these obvious biases are going corrupt media in general and you're going to have something much, much bigger on your hands. You *can not* rely on these journalists for facts so nobody should start with their articles. Since discussion about this is censored almost everywhere (guess who did that?), you're going to have a tough time looking into the facts. It's worth it, there's something seriously rotten going on.
When the only source of information you accept as legitimate is a horde of morons who fly into screaming apoplexy because someone says "Hey guys, when you're alone on an elevator with a woman you've never met before, leaning in close and inviting her to an orgy is kinda creepy. Don't do that." you need to take a long hard look at yourself, and realize you're either an idiot who needs to shut the hell up before your foot goes any further down your throat, or you maybe need to actually look at the world.
That review thing? It never actually happened - there was no review. Just a dipshit who got butthurt over being dumped, and made shit up about his ex, then conned a bunch of losers into being his personal army of revenge. Looks good on you moron.
The poor oppressed straight white man. Saddest thing in the fucking universe.
Amen to this. I know it's a controversial position to take,but women have equality (if not superiority) to males. The only reason women don't run the world is because they choose not to. They choose to have children instead. Fair enough, but you can't have it both ways, ladies. And as for the lack of equality in gaming, IT, tec., women simply have different interests. We hate to admit things are biological these days (seems to upset the PC liberals), but women naturally are drawn to more childcare type positions (nursing, teaching). Big deal. And right now, the law is so stacked against men it's not even funny. Domestic abuse? The woman wins by default. Child support, child custody, alimony? Again, men get screwed big time. All of this is in addition to chivalry by males (paying dinners, etc.) and of course, biologically, women still have mate choice, so they can (and many do) use their bodies to have power over men in morally repulsive ways. And I feel really sorry for young men growing up right now, especially those being raised ny single mothers. They are so feminized, by their parents and the school system, which favors women by punishing men for being active and forces them into a more passive feminized role. Sorry this seems to have turned into a rant, but this really needs to be said, because you almost never hear the opposite point of view (at least not in the mainstream).
Ha, so I dropped the terror word. After spending more hours on everydayfeminism.com than and normal human should I am much more of a believer in that term.
.0001% the ability to fit in. It's a great way to further alienate themselves rather than making it easier for them to fit in with everyone else.
It's amazing how some people will stop at nothing to loudly express how much they need to allow
Either gamers are all sexist pig men who rape women at every change they get, or gamers are a mix of people and all these feminist gamer rape articles are BS.
You can't have it both ways. The feminists use gamer to mean whatever they want. Oh look, a sexy female game character: gamers are rapists.
Oh look, minecraft is a game. Gaming needs a safe space because women game.
Oh and btw, where are all the complaints when a game character is a muscled 6 foot tall guy who can lift a ton?
The problem with these feminists is that they complain constantly about games that they find sexist.
Other people like to play those games.
Don't like a game? Don't play it and shut up. Let other people enjoy their pastime.
...The articles had drawn the ire of the self-described "Gater" movement, a grass-roots campaign to discredit prominent female games journalists....
The GamerGate movement had nothing to do with that at all, nor has it been about feminism. It actually started when a male Kotaku journalist published an article about a female game developer that he was sleeping with without disclosure, an act that is generally intolerable in any credible journalistic circle. From there, the mainstream gaming media outlets started with "defending it" to "attacking 'gamers'". It was almost funny how coordinated it was, because on August 28th almost every one of the gaming sites posted a "Gaming is Dead" article in unison (http://gamergate.giz.moe/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/1409546711940__large.jpg) when they were unable to squash it.
This article is a perfect example of the problem. It's near impossible to get a truthful story, because it turns out that most of the big names in games journalism have similar skeletons in the closet.
The bias in the summary is overwhelming. Gamergate has nothing to do with feminism in video games and everything to do with journalistic ethics and integrity, specifically the close relationship many gaming journalists appear to share with the gaming industry they cover. Yes, Gamergate started as a story about a young woman who made a game and reportedly slept with several game journalists who went on to write positive articles about her game, donate money to her Patreon, and, in one case, a man she had a close relationship with was a judge at an indie award show, and whadayaknow, her game won an award.
The story of that woman (I will not say her name for fear of censorship as on Reddit and 4chan) revealed the unethical relationships game journalists had with game developers, but that was only the beginning. Recently it came out that EA had discovered that about 40,000 of its user accounts' passwords were stolen, but they asked the game journalists who knew about it not to report it, and they happily obliged since they were friends.
The collusion and intense cover-up of the corruption inside gaming media by various media sites has been astounding, and the article and summary here and another example of that. The anti-gamergate crowd seems to hold onto the initial perceived misogyny in order to push an agenda. I will repeat one more time: this is not about feminism. It is about ethics.
Clearly the best way to combat the supposed corruption and unethical behaviour in the games media is to encourage their advertisers to demand editorial changes or risk having their funding removed.
The issue is video game reviewers and sites providing unearned positive praise for a product due to:
- Bias from personal relationships, including those of a sexual nature
- Political pressure to over-represent games which claim to be the product of a given minority group
If the 'customer' in this case, is the person expecting a fair and non-biased review of upcoming and current games, they are not served by these biases, especially when they're not revealed from the beginning. This is a basic failure of journalistic integrity.
This was further compounded by a backlash that centered around censorship of any discussion of these issues, no matter how applicable or tangentially related, which pointed these issues out, which is seen as patently unfair - not to mention draconian.
Perhaps the worst part of it all is that those trying to hide this discovery - or promote their side with no argument - chose something ethically sound to stand against, Women's Rights. This is unfortunate, because women's rights have nothing to do with this issue, and pretending it does only weakens future ACTUAL complaints that involve Women's Rights.
Read this article five times, and then promptly fire the brain-dead fuckwit who decided to pull your ads because of complaints from a mob of psychos.
"These obtuse shitslingers, these wailing hyper-consumers, these childish internet-arguers -- they are not my audience. They don’t have to be yours. There is no ‘side’ to be on, there is no ‘debate’ to be had. "
Intel has pulled an advertising campaign from video gaming website Gamasutra after it reportedly received a number of complaints from self-identified gamers upset that the site was championing fair gender representation in video games.
When you write:
However, Women's Rights activist/advocates should be firmly expressing their disdain towards this horrible movement of Femi-nazi's.
Why? When people point out that "gamer" no longer includes just a small hard-core subset of males who orgasm over every new video card and think that all female characters in games should have "vital statistics" that would put a Barbie doll to shame, they're not being "femi-nazis." The appeal of games like Minecraft (58% female) shows that the word "gamer" is either an archaism or needs to be updated to include the new reality.
If the old guard doesn't like that women are "invading their space", they need to realize that it's simply not just "their space" any more.
You are missing the point.
Most gamers, male and female alike, just want to play video games. They want to be able to simply ask, "Hey, wanna play Street Fighter/Quake/Halo/Warcraft/etc?" without any drama, and 99% of the time that is how it goes amongst friends. Random idiots online are trying to get a rise out of you, don't pay attention to them. For most gamers, it doesn't matter if someone is male or female. There are plenty of creepy males and females online, but they're not the norm.
http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/girls-and-software is related to the above statement.
Apparently, also, Anita Sarkeesian, being a horrible human being undeserving of the attention they get, may have very well fabricated the death threats against herself. http://www.staresattheworld.com/2014/09/anita-sarkeesian-fabricate-story-contacting-authorities/
The major, and salient, point is the fact that there is an endemic corruption in journalism as pertains to gaming. Not just that, but most of them, except for IGN strangely enough, are connected to a sort of PR company (Silverstring Media) that is more focused on generating controversy than on anything related to gaming, equality of sexes, improved representation of strong women in video games, etc.
They're pushing a hardline, militant form of feminism, attempting to pervert the word further to gain more legitimacy, Feminism used to be about equality of the sexes, removing all institutionalized discrimination and attempting to foster an environment more conducive to viewing each other as equals, or perhaps even, view each other as just other human beings. Rather than "that black dude", or "that asian chick", etc, you think of them as people like yourself.
Another equally important point is the over-exaggeration of all gamers (and I myself view anyone who sets aside some of their free time specifically for playing a video game of SOME SORT (computer, console, handheld, cellphone even!) to be a gamer, hardcore gamer being the more nebulous term) as being mysogynists and constant desire to sexualize women in games as if their lives depended on it. I understand, in say, Dragon's Crown that the male characters are probably not even close to every woman's fantasy of their perfect man, and that the female characters (except the thief, whom is more modestly dressed) are quite sexualized... But I can accept the ridiculousness, you know why? It's all part of the game's style and aesthetics. Most of it is ridiculous!
Take a look at Mount & Blade, without any modifications mind, and play as a woman. You put on plate armor, it's the same shape as men's armor, because boob-plate would be ridiculous in a game attempting some realism (and make melee blows more likely to strike the center of the chest). There are other games like that, and other games that are on the more ridiculous sexualization side, though I feel it'd be better to
Tetris didn't have any politics!
Goddamned Russki's building a WALL. Yeah, nuthin' political there.
And 'poof'! it's gone.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
'Gamer' isn't just a dated demographic label that most people increasingly prefer not to use. Gamers are over. That's why they’re so mad.
This is in particular a contradiction. If Gamers are over then why do a portion of those PC Gamer Enthusiasts continue to buy Intel's processors for a premium which happens to pay for the advertising?
I'd want to have an intellectual discussion on this, but both sides have had it and are at the point of being stupid so that's not going to happen.
For anyone interested, here is a link to the article Intel pulls ads from Gamasutra over. It is ... colourful in its descriptions of gaming to say the least.
About ten or so articles like this appeared over the course of a few days at the end of August across most of the top game news sites. Apparently, a lot of gamers were upset enough to write into site advertisers to request they stop sponsoring the offending site with ads. Intel have evidently made a dash for the door out of a building the owners have decided to set on fire.
The author of the piece, Leigh Alexander is a described feminist critique of video games and video game culture, as well as wider "geek" cultures. Her personal views on geeks and their fandoms are ... equally colourful.
I am not convinced that this person is not an ultra-conservative plant sent to discredit feminist and progressivism in geek and gaming culture. If she is, she's making a spectacular effort at doing so. This entire furore is doing real damage to the genuine participation of women in the video game and even wider tech. Intel's pulling of ads might help take the oxygen out of this fire before the industry gets burned.
May the Maths Be with you!
That is what you would call your opinion. You're as welcome to it as those you disagree with.
Bye!
What the heck is Intel doing even listening to these complaints? If they had an employee do anything after hearing these moronic complaints, they wasted shareholder's money. It's ludicrous and should have been completely ignored. I can't believe there are people who give a crap about the word "gamer" and what it connotes. It's like complaining about what's said about "bowlers." Some bowlers are smart, some are complete idiots. No one should consider them an entity that needs to be considered en mass for any reason at all.
Funny as this might seem now, if we keep saying this long enough, it will become true. Time was, the image of all white men as rich fatcats who ruled the world through oppression was a bit closer to a reality. Now that's changed quite a bit and continues changing, but the malice towards the white man isn't.
In fact it's intensifying, especially when the white men in question get upset about it. It might have been karmic justice if the white men in question were the ones from, say, the 1950s, or the wealthy assholes, or the few actively and consciously misogynistic fools out there. But few of them are, so the more you insist that they are, the more of them you will create.
1st world problems indeed.
Why is it that every time I see someone using that phrase, it's always some idiot demanding that people stop talking about thing X, because people over there in awful shithole Y have it worse?
Do you even know why we're considered the "first world"? It's because we don't let shit like that fly. It's because, at least at one time, we had respect for our fellow human beings, and accepted that they really were fellow human beings deserving of rights and respect.
Now, you want to use that difference to demand that we stop respecting other people, and stop caring, and definitely never talk about things that are wrong , unless everything has finally degraded to the point where shithole Y is a better place than we are - that's the only way these assholes will accept anyone saying "Thing X is a problem and it should stop". That means these assholes (yes, that includes you) actively want our society to be degraded into a worthless shithole "like in Middle East and Africa and India where governments don't have an established protection system and rights for women compared to the 1st world" - because despite your claims that the government here has an established protection system and rights for women, you're demanding that we not use it.
Makes some good points in this case, so far as I can see, though.
PHEM - party like it's 1997-2003!
Terror word? No. What happened is that you made yourself sound like Rush Limbaugh. Do you want to be though of as being like a lying, hate-driven gasbag that poisons weak minds with misinformation?
Nobody wants to be thought of as Anita Sarkeesian.
What are you stating, that the self-described feminazi's only call themselves that because the extreme right-wing nut jobs also use that term? It's a term that the extreme-wing of "feminists" use. I quote feminists there because I don't see them related to what feminists in the 60's and 70's was about. 30 minutes on Tumblr and eventually you start to see how these folks use the term for themselves and exactly what they want. It's a beatdown on people that agree with them.
The majority of the gamers who wrote Intel agree with you. In fact, the entire furore over the past month seems to have cemented the idea of "gamer" as a inclusive, universal identity into the collective mind of the gaming community across the web.
However, that was not the argument the Gamasutra and other articles made. The gaming press collectively declared that "Gamers were dead", that gaming as a descriptor was obsolete, that the "identity was dead", or referred only to a obsolete subset of exclusionary, female unfriendly, "selfish", "conservative", "tribalistic", and -- implied by the accompanying stock images -- fat angry unkempt adult males.
Meanwhile, games companies, marketing firms and online game fansites were still actively using the term to refer to everyone who, well, plays games. Even Forbes magazine was shaking its head in disbelief at the game media's attack on its own consumers. People are now asking how much damage recent controversies may have done to the public image of the gaming industry.
A $80 billion dollar industry which had achieved almost universal consumer acceptance and success may have just been torpedoed as a woman-hating "Cathedral of Misogyny" by its own press publications. Intel is cutting its losses before the conflagration spreads to the rest of tech.
May the Maths Be with you!
Bro mentality. You wonder how they figured out how to use a game controller.
You are welcome on my lawn.
The controversy is called Gamergate, and it is strange that the summary doesn't mention it by name. I've never heard "gater" used to describe it before. The anti-Gamergate side has a history of trying to alter the name--they've tried "Game Ethics" and hilariously "We Love Videogames")--in an attempt to take control of the narrative, so maybe that's happening again here.
This is a good summary of the events so far (though decidedly from the pro-Gamergate side):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
The wikipedia article is not much help, as it has adopted the anti-Gamergate narrative that the movement is about misogyny. Many of the primary sources cited are the same ones whose journalistic integrity has been called into question.
Here's an interview with a law and ethics professor about some of the journalistic behavior involved, and whether it's OK:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Probably the most disgusting (and damning) behavior of the anti-GG side is the attempt to silence discussion, from the fraudelent DMCA notice to the initial media blackout, and ongoing widespread censorship of user forums/comments.
I read your post all the way through, and you make some very good points. Misandrists are an extreme reaction to misogynists, and reverse discrimination violates the rule most of us learned as kids, that two wrongs don't make a right. People who attack someone based on their gender are idiots, doesn't matter whether they're men or women. But Intel pulling advertising over a bunch of griefers? Of either sex? That's equally idiotic.
Hard-core, bra-burning anti-male feminism was a reaction to the barriers women had to overcome. There's still plenty of sexism, lots of "glass ceilings" and silly assumptions related to competency for various tasks depending on your gender and stuff, but I'd like to think we're making some progress as time goes on.
And not just for women. 20% of all nurses are now men. And let me tell you, when you're ill, really ill, you don't care about the gender of the person helping you.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Oh and btw, where are all the complaints when a game character is a muscled 6 foot tall guy who can lift a ton?
Is he only allowed to wear clothing that can fit inside of a Tic-Tac box? Is his entire purpose in the story to tell the female protagonist how awesome she is and then get killed at a dramatic moment so that she will have something to be angry about? And are there copies of him in half of the movies, books, video games and TV shows on the market?
No? Then it's not the same thing at all.
Don't like a game? Don't play it and shut up.
I'm curious. Would you like us to do as you say, or do as you do?
From an objective setting, all opinions are equal, though truth (objective truth) may be closer represented by one side or another. But, since we're all subjective beings, all opinions are intrinsically equal. One's opinion of will always be weighted higher than those given by others when considering an anonymous setting like internet chat boards suck as slashdot.
Specifically to my note, saying that candy crush isn't a game is like saying hop scotch or hoola hoop aren't games either. Why not say Call of Duty isn't a game, its a killing simulator. All these terms are subjectivly asserted by people, and the fact that multiple people differ in terms of their meaning is nothing new. Everyone is welcome to their opinion, and in a case like this, probably everyone is right (in their own mind).
Bye!
I'd say she is a good proof of the saying: Beauty is only skin deep.
Honestly. At this point, there's pretty much NOBODY involved with the entire debacle (on ANY side) whose hands are clean.
What we need now are EVERYONE to climb off if this nasty, smelly toilet and hit FLUSH.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
Right now, women, in general, are noobs in games. They don't 'get it'. They die easily and en masse, because they are retarded, and haven't figured out all the complexities of the game they're playing. In lieu of this, they have presumptions about the game based on casual observations from various sources, but no personal experience. They don't know how to 'do it' and are complaining that the definition of 'doing it' must be changed to suit their needs.
Nobody's saying "dumb down the game." At least, nobody I know. But saying someone is retarded? Really?
So maybe what's needed is more "single person modes", to help people get past the "n00b" stage. Too bad the gaming industry doesn't want that - they want everyone playing together on-line to grab more subscriptions and more in-game purchases and more downloadable content. And in doing so, they're inadvertently alienating new players of both genders. Short-term greed.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Perhaps it would be worth looking at where all that money comes from, then.
In 2012 US consumers spent $8.4 billion on console games, including your preorders of Medal of Honor Warfighter and Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor.
That same year the Candy Crush crowd spent $6.5 billion on casual websites, mobile gaming and social network based games.
If your criteria of "Gamer" means "spends a lot of money on games", then that's a fifteen billion dollar pile of gamers right there. It's not until you change the definition to mean "only likes the kind of games that I personally like and only in the way that I like them" that you get to pretend that 43% of that demographic doesn't exist.
The mass censorship of gamers over the last month has raised questions about how well functioning that immune system really is. Gamers and the game media have never gotten along. But the degree to which gamers were thrown out of sites for talking about Gamergate was disturbing, and the "trivial" nature of gaming as a subject matter does not soften the blow.
Gamers were ejected from all major game news sites/blogs, almost all major game forums, news media outlets, subjected to shadow bans and mass deletions across the whole of Reddit, barred from editing Wikipedia, and finally -- in the the most absurd capstone to the whole farce -- all gamergate discussion was banned from 4chan, a place which still openly permits the posting of severed human body parts and rabidly anti-semetic hate speech. What few remaining forums for discussion were left ended up being DDoSed.
What happened during gamergate was what we were told could never happen to free discussion on the web: Site by site, the lights on the internet went out for video gamers.
In retrospect, it could only have happened for something as "trivial" as video games, and to a group as "subcultural" as the gaming community. But it has happened; It is still happenning. The entire concept of the Internet as a "fifth estate" or a forum for open debate has been severely discredited by recent events. If video gamers are unable to discuss or dispute that "Gamers are dead", or that games are not misogynist on the internet, then what can be discussed or disputed?
If the internet has an immune system, I don't see the patient recovering yet, and even in the event of a return to "health", the complications of this acute inflammation of censorship will be with us for a long time. This may yet end up being a watershed for the medium and our assumptions about it. Something has just gone very, very wrong.
May the Maths Be with you!
Just another fine example of how Feminists dont want actual gender equality, and how a lot of men have been successfully brainwashed by them and the media to support it anyway.
But I am a white dude. So ... all them black dudes and asian chicks are white dudes... got it.
Thanks. That slate article is good!
Game companies and developers are now reaching out directly to quasi-amateur enthusiasts as a better way to build their brands, both because the gamers are more influential than the gaming journalists, and because these enthusiasts have far better relationships with their audiences than gaming journalists do. (Admittedly, most anyone does.)
I went through the 2-1/2 months of press releases at Intel. They weren't all about chips. For example, there was one about the Michael J Fox Foundation. It's too bad that Intel, in making this decision, didn't post a press release on their site explaining why they are dropping the ads. It would have been a lot better than
"Intel has pulled its advertising from website Gamasutra,” Intel spokesperson Bill Calder said. "We take feedback from our customers very seriously especially as it relates to contextually relevant content and placements."
... which sounds so last-minute.
They could have posted something along the lines of:
Gamers are a diverse and growing segment of the population, and we are enthusiastic about making products that help them get the most out of their gaming experience. We have decided to pull our advertising from [list of sites] because they continue to promote an outdated view of gamers that stigmatizes people. At Intel, we listen to the men and women who buy our products, and we appreciate both their patronage and their concerns. Therefore, we have decided not to subsidize web sites that have become platforms for disparaging our customers. We will, of course, continue to advertise in other, more appropriate venues. If you feel that a site showing our advertising is violating this policy, please let us know. Thank you.
That would have sent a powerful message.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
This is an industry we're talking about here.
The only thing that actually matters is money. If the industry can in fact survive by shunning the crowd that plays expensive old school games, I would be quite surprised.
Most of the "candy crush" crowd contribute ZERO to the bottom line of any company. At best they are "sticky eyeballs" that help contribute to buzz and attract the actual paying customers.
In a different decade they would be called degenerate pirates.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Gamers is an industry term. The iPhone candy crush crowd doesn't meet the criteria of "Gamer".
Hey, no hating on that cute old lady on the Geico commercial! She swings a pretty mean hammer!
Just because most women that play video games are ugly
[citation required]
Way to go, insulting your natural allies (women who play games).
58% of minecraft players are women. Are they mostly ugly? Somehow I doubt it.
As I originally wrote, the definition of "gamers" has to be changed. The old view that all gamers are fat nerdy males needs to be abandoned. Either update the definition to match today's reality, or come up with a new word to describe people who play video games that is more inclusive.
It's that YOU women are invading our hobby
All I'm saying is make things more realistic. We already have a world where girls have poor body images because they see photoshopped images of women on magazine covers that are literally impossibly thin unless you're anorexic. Even Barbie is getting some more realistic competition because the old one had a ridiculously impossible physique, so bad she wouldn't have been able to stand.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
I read your post all the way through, and you make some very good points. Misandrists are an extreme reaction to misogynists, and reverse discrimination violates the rule most of us learned as kids, that two wrongs don't make a right. People who attack someone based on their gender are idiots, doesn't matter whether they're men or women. But Intel pulling advertising over a bunch of griefers? Of either sex? That's equally idiotic.
Hard-core, bra-burning anti-male feminism was a reaction to the barriers women had to overcome. There's still plenty of sexism, lots of "glass ceilings" and silly assumptions related to competency for various tasks depending on your gender and stuff, but I'd like to think we're making some progress as time goes on.
And not just for women. 20% of all nurses are now men. And let me tell you, when you're ill, really ill, you don't care about the gender of the person helping you.
Since you use the term "bunch of griefers" I will assume that you have never heard of Leigh Alexander. You will be hard pressed to find a more vehement, vitriolic, and chauvinistic person even if you lived 500 years. In fact, here's a shortlist of some of the more interesting things http://theralphretort.com/game...
I especially like where she states (way back in 2010 already) that all core gamers are maladjusted losers looking for maladapted coping via games. It's hard to find a broader brush than that.
If anything, Intel pulling out is not enough.
...everyone is acting like their side is the good guys and the other side is the bad guys, when it increasingly seems like it's the bad guys vs. the bad guys.
It's like being a Ukranian in 1941 and having to choose between fighting for Germany or Russia.
The thing is that social justice warriors (SJWs) are in the constant state of being offended by something. They inject themselves into a community and start pestering people with their insane demands. Requesting that everything is to be made as PG13 as possible and as non-offensive as possible.
If you look at games as a form of art (which it is in many cases) you can see how crazy it is that these SJWs try to enforce their sensibilities on the artistic process.
For years now we've been told by the likes of Anita and Co. that games are sexist and gamers are misogynist pricks. They proclaimed from their moral high ground that developers should listen to what they say and adjust the games accordingly. And then Zoe Quinn scandal erupted. So she slept her way to the ... middle, good for her. And the writers at game news websites will sell their souls for a lay, good for them. But gamers did get upset over this. I mean gaming websites were caught red handed. But instead of firing the writers and apologizing, the editors and other writers decided to dump a bucket of fecal matter on their readers while admins on various social media sites were suppressing any conversation on the topic. At this point it became interesting mostly because you wanted to see just how deep the rabbit hole went. And then the unthinkable happened. 4chan decided that this gamergate topic was too hot for it and banned people and closed threads. I mean 4chan, ffs, that moral pillar of society.
That should show you just how much sway these SJWs have in our society right now. It is truly worrying to me. And if you step back from gamergate and look at the bigger picture you will see that the same thing happened to atheist movement with its A+. And if you step back some more you will see that this obsession with political correctness leads to real horrible things. Like the child abuse scandal in England where authorities were not going after the abusers because of the fears of being branded as racists.
So i think it's a very good thing that gamers are pushing back on these SJWs and making some headway. It might seem like an insignificant battle over nothing but it just might pave the way to a bigger more general protest against unchecked political correctness.
I was fortunate never to have heard of her until now. She's a troll, just like a lot of other griefers. They enjoy hurting people because that feeds their inner brat.
However, Intel should have made it clear, via a press release, not a poorly-worded spokesperson's reply, as to why they are taking this action. I've posted it elsewhere, but I'll repeat the salient part here to save a few clicks:
Gamers are a diverse and growing segment of the population, and we are enthusiastic about making products that help them get the most out of their gaming experience. We have decided to pull our advertising from [list of sites] because they continue to promote an outdated view of gamers that stigmatizes people. At Intel, we listen to the men and women who buy our products, and we appreciate both their patronage and their concerns. Therefore, we have decided not to subsidize web sites that have become platforms for disparaging our customers. We will, of course, continue to advertise in other, more appropriate venues. If you feel that a site showing our advertising is violating this policy, please let us know. Thank you.
Now something like *that* would have sent a clear, powerful message, and it's something that pretty much everyone who wants to advance beyond the old stereotypes can get behind.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
If we're all subjective beings, isn't that evidence that there is no such thing as an "objective opinion"? And since we're not all equal (except perhaps in the eyes of some mythical God or some mythical government), then why would you think our opinions are equal?
No. A young gamer who believes all women secretly want to be raped is not welcome to his opinion. Or if he is, it's not by anyone who doesn't hold the same aberrant viewpoint. "Welcome" indicates some element of respect. Not all opinions are worthy of respect.
What your suggesting is that there is no right and wrong. That someone who believes the Earth is 6000 years old thinks he is right in his own mind does not mean that his opinion has to be welcome in a classroom or among a group of biologists.
This notion of "there is no right, there is no wrong and there are two sides to every story" is very silly. It's something that certain people say because they think it sounds smart and worldly, but is actually very dumb. It doesn't matter what they think is right in their mind. Nobody else is required to respect their opinion in any way.
You are welcome on my lawn.
So... why did you?
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
I know all about the special treatment these women want. Like not being catcalled by every undersexed boy. Like not being assumed that they can't game as well as anyone else in a sport that doesn't involve upper body strength. Like perhaps being represented by gamer figures who would look anorexic next to Barbie.
This isn't new. ANYTIME there has been some form of progressive movement of any form in Human civilization, there has been the knee jerk, circle the wagons response to it. This isn't any different.
If you were looking for a textbook demonstration of misogyny, look no further than the post above. Domestic abuse? You call being assualted, beaten up, raped, and occasionally murdered by your boyfriend or husband, winning? Especially when many of these crimes are never reported? Yeah that's some victory there mate. It may be news to you but women DO take leadership positions. And men like you call them "bossy" for daring to step onto the male preserve. Child support? that's a convenient way to ignore the vast number of deadbeat dads who leave both mother and child on their own. Alimony delinquency is not a trivial problem in this country when men excercise the option to leave their responsibilities at the state line. And you feel upset because of the dinner tab you picked up? And yes we DO here rants like yours all the time.
We have decided to pull our advertising from [list of sites] because they continue to promote an outdated view of gamers that stigmatizes people.
"Outdated"? What does the dated-ness of the labels have anything to do with it? You're trying to change this to a message about "advancing" some cause or another, when that's the precise problem.
Gaming is for gaming. There's no Higher Cause or Progress to push. Have fun. Enjoy. Build a better game that includes those awesome tropes that you want.
everyone who wants to advance beyond the old stereotypes can get behind.
You're assuming that gamers want to "advance" something. No, not everyone. Speak for yourself.
When the only source of information you accept as legitimate is a horde of morons who fly into screaming apoplexy because someone says "Hey guys, when you're alone on an elevator with a woman you've never met before, leaning in close and inviting her to an orgy is kinda creepy. Don't do that." you need to take a long hard look at yourself, and realize you're either an idiot who needs to shut the hell up before your foot goes any further down your throat, or you maybe need to actually look at the world.
That review thing? It never actually happened - there was no review. Just a dipshit who got butthurt over being dumped, and made shit up about his ex, then conned a bunch of losers into being his personal army of revenge. Looks good on you moron.
I will only address the last part, since you are a bit below the level I usually require to engage. Regarding your stellar claim that Eron Gjoni (linkey here http://thezoepost.wordpress.co... ) 'made shit up' I can only laugh. He has presented proof and verification for his claims, which interestingly enough, you have not.
"Hey guys, when you're alone on an elevator with a woman you've never met before, leaning in close and inviting her to an orgy is kinda creepy. Don't do that."
Yes, and that's a fairly insulting thing to say to a stranger. It's like if I walked up to you and asked you to stop beating your wife and neglecting your daughter. It presupposes: 1) That you obviously ARE a wife beater, and 2) that you must stop that. If you show insult, the response to that only mentions point #2: "What, so you think beating your wife is okay? Are you just a complete asshole?" The incorrectness of point #1 is not questioned, nor is the insult that assuming that people in a group conform to a stereotype of a small minority.
So yeah, go into a large group of people and shout "Jesus, why are all you people such fucking assholes??" Yeah, it should come as no surprise that you get a negative reaction.
Is he only allowed to wear clothing that can fit inside of a Tic-Tac box? Is his entire purpose in the story to tell the female protagonist how awesome she is and then get killed at a dramatic moment so that she will have something to be angry about? And are there copies of him in half of the movies, books, video games and TV shows on the market?
"Barbarian" fits two of these.
Besides, I can't remember the last game I played that does portray women like this. Can you think of a game in which a woman fits all three of these?
"ÃGame cultureÃ(TM) as we know it is kind of embarrassing -"
"ItÃ(TM)s young men queuing with plush mushroom hats and backpacks and jutting promo poster rolls. "
"petri dish of people who know so little about how human social interaction"
"infantilized cultural desert of shitty behavior"
"You know, young white dudes with disposable income"
"atrocities committed by young white teen boys in hypercapitalist America"
"ItÃ(TM)s probably intense, painful stuff for some young kids, some older men."
"Gamers are over. ThatÃ(TM)s why theyÃ(TM)re so mad. "
"These obtuse shitslingers, these wailing hyper-consumers, these childish internet-arguers"
This sounds like the mad rantings of a Freshman Gender Studies student who have never touched a video game, not the news director of a gaming website! It is nothing more than sexist, ageist, name-calling. It sounds like she not only hates her job but also hates the industry she is covering. No wonder Intel pulled their support, I can't imagine any corporation would want to be associated with this.
Some games are classics for a reason. Some games have near-universal appeal. And many modern games aren't hard-coded so that the main player is one gender or sex.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
No, scantily clad does not equal mysoginist - ever been to the beach?
For those not in the know, the "slut walk" is an annual protest that started after a cop told a college class that they should be careful not to dress "slutty" or they would increase their risk of sexual assault. A combination of "blame the victim" and "men can't control their actions", denigrating both genders.
Does that sound like a view that promotes either misogyny or misandy?
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
You call being assaulted, beaten up, raped, and occasionally murdered by your girlfriend or wife, winning?
Fixed that for you. Domestic abuse of men by women is as common and as violent as the other way around.
Alimony delinquency is not a trivial problem in this country when men excercise the option to leave their responsibilities at the state line.
Alimony is an absurd concept in the first place. What do I owe to someone with whom I no longer have a relationship?
Circumcision is child abuse.
Cracked used to be a humor site, but it is mostly social justice stuff these days.
Circumcision is child abuse.
Are you sure you were not spending more hours trolling everydayfeminism.com than a normal human should?
On a sidenote, this is yet another problem that Bitcoin will solve for us.
Of course, I mean the problem that bank accounts and income streams can be garnished.
So many men are going benefit from the ability to hold their savings and earn income in a currency which no judge can remotely confiscate.
You realise that you're talking about people who raised over $70,000 specifically for a feminist (radfems actually) to fund female game developers and get them into the industry, right? Some of the most ardent supporters of gamergate have been women, minorities, and yes feminists who are tired of seeing racists like Leigh Alexander (who calls black men racial slurs and threatens to smash glass in their faces for eyeballing her wrong) continue to use the name of "feminism" and "social justice" to cover for her bigotry.
Leigh Alexander and her ilk have been targeting women and minorities for doxxing, threats, and harassment so severe that two people (one a black game developer) have already been fired because of harassment and four more have had attempts made to get them fired. One of those was a prominent feminist supporter who received threats of mutilation and rape to her workplace. That's not even getting into the more than twelve other doxxings at this point including a transgender developer whose financial accounts were hacked. I've personally watched as a woman who built schools for little girls in pakistan tweeted about how she was afraid of reprisals for daring to be a "gender traitor". It's insane.
Here are some interviews with thirteen developers, industry insiders, and the feminist group whose female game jam was almost shut down before gamergate:
http://www.nichegamer.net/2014... [nichegamer.net]
http://techraptor.net/2014/09/... [techraptor.net]
http://apgnation.com/archives/... [apgnation.com]
The problem with protesting journalists is that journalists can and will write whatever they want about the people protesting them.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
Is she murdered, tortured, and mutilated by the millions as the core mechanic designed to bring you entertainment? Is her life devalued to the point of utter disposability? Does she have absolutely no worth or value to the story whatsoever except as an object of violence?
You're right, it's not the same at all.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
Intel pulled out because Leigh Alexander is a blatant racist who doxxes people and sides with domestic abusers, other racists, and transphobic bigots.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
Not even close. Cracked is just siding with literal domestic abusers, racists, sexists, and transphobes who have doxxed and threatened even children.
Here are some interviews with thirteen developers, industry insiders, and the feminist group whose female game jam was almost shut down before gamergate:
http://www.nichegamer.net/2014... [nichegamer.net]
http://techraptor.net/2014/09/... [techraptor.net]
http://apgnation.com/archives/... [apgnation.com]
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
Dammit slashdot...
http://www.nichegamer.net/2014...
http://techraptor.net/2014/09/...
http://techraptor.net/2014/10/...
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
Either gamers are all sexist pig men who rape women at every change they get, or gamers are a mix of people and all these feminist gamer rape articles are BS.
You can't have it both ways. The feminists use gamer to mean whatever they want...
That's a false dichotomy. And did you realise you are talking about "the feminists" as if they are single monolithic group right after you just finished complaining about how people think gamers are a single monolithic group?
Oh and btw, where are all the complaints when a game character is a muscled 6 foot tall guy who can lift a ton?
The super-masculine super soldiers are designed to appeal almost exclusively to the power fantasies of teenage boys. Are you honestly trying to tell me you've never heard feminists complain about that? I mean, isn't fear that the nasty feminists will take your boobs and you space marines away exactly what this is all about?
It's slashdot, how can you tell they're getting it wrong _deliberately_?
In any case, it appears the SJWs have sown the wind, and inherited the whirlwind. Couldn't happen to a kinder bunch.
Dammit slashdot, stop eating my links:
http://www.nichegamer.net/2014...
http://techraptor.net/2014/09/...
http://techraptor.net/2014/10/...
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
The poor oppressed straight white man. Saddest thing in the fucking universe.
Yeah, it is about time the white men got what was coming to them. I think they need a few centuries of oppression to really experience the misery they have put black men and all women through.
Hell, white men still have it so great. They get selected first for every job out there. They have laws enshrining their right to be selected first. They get the largest amounts of college scholarships. In every marriage dissolution, the woman has to pay back all of the money the man gave them during the marriage and she has to continue supporting his lifestyle afterwards. A white man can just yell, "discrimination", and have the police, courts, and HR departments immediately on their side.
We need to reverse all of that. Fuck the white man.
"Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
It's about calling out scam artists like Anita Sarkeesian and her bogus kickstarter. It's about calling out scumbags like Zoe Quinn and the gaming journalists with the undisclosed conflicts of interests that reported on her games. It's about calling out those who defend those other people by ignoring facts and manufacturing controversy, trying to discredit legitimate criticism as misogyny. People just like you, Timothy. This trash piece is unsurprising, though, since Slashdot has completely sold out to the SJW lie.
I find it interesting that this said it's not about journalism, it's about Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian. Then I look up the page and there's half a dozen people saying it's about journalistic integrity and Zoe Quinn is just pretending it's about her because she's an attention whore.
It's almost like, if you have a decentralised movement with no obvious leadership, that you don't have the ability to say what your movement is (or isn't) about any more. So when people say that Intel are caving to the kind of idiot who thinks the above isn't misogyny, you can't say that's not what's happening, because you don't own the movement and you can't point to anyone who does.
"It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him." - Tolkien
Example: Light (photons) behave like a particle, AND a wave. BOTH are true
Bad example, this isn't two truths, there is only one, the fact that photons have dual behaviour and are not only a particle or only a wave.
Regarding the very statement of the nature of light, there is one truth.
Regarding observed properties of light, there are many, and at least those two properties are valid/verified, but this isn't related to an in-between or non binary truth.
I apologise, but Slashdot ate my HTML.
The top paragraph is a quote of the above AC, if you hadn't already worked it out from context.
"It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him." - Tolkien
I think it was C.S.Lewis who once said that political infighting amongst academics often become so vicious, not because the stakes are big, but exactly because they are so small. And looking at the comments in the discussion here seems to confirm this - it's just about games. Recreation, in other words - when you are an adult, there are other things in life that ought to be more important.
Cracked used to be a humor site, but it is mostly social justice stuff these days.
Social justice, like Batman, the A-Team and Knight Rider then? How is that a bad thing?
SJW n. One who posts facts.
You might want to try watching her lo-fi let's play videos on YouTube where she plays through some 80's text adventure games them see if you feel the same way. That's where I first encountered her, without a clue that she was busy terrifying people elsewhere on the internet, she's far more a geek than a lot of self professed gamers. If anything I think she harks back to the era before the COD crowd came to dominate everything.
I was (s)trolling through. Not even sure how I got pointed to an article on there but I did read a few of the headliners and a couple random articles that show up at the footer. In any case trolling isn't something I'm fond of doing nor could I pass for a d-class troll.
Right now, women, in general, are noobs in games
What? Women. In general. Like my sister and her friends, who were playing Mario before I could go to school? Or like my wife, who has been a gamer for 10+ years? Oh, maybe you meant the various women in my office who play video games?
Noobs are noobs - gender has *nothing* to do with that. Considering that about half of the gaming population is female and that I've been playing with girls/women in different games since middle school (15-ish years?), lumping women (or anyone) into a single group like that based on unrelated factors is pretty much the reason people get pissed off.
(Looked at the unmangled links you posted below).
There is no room in my universe for racism. Or for attacking people based on sex, gender identity, etc. I think that is true for many, perhaps the majority, of people are the same (I may be overly optimistic here, but it is definitely getting better with time).
That being said, I'm probably as guilty of getting my back up whenever I hear the accusation of Femi-nazi being thrown at anyone, because it's been used inappropriately so often in the past to avoid discussing issues of legitimate concern.
The people making threats should be called what they are - bullies. That they're doing it "in the name of feminism" or claiming to be a "social justice warrior" doesn't change the fact that they are bullies. They "get off" on being bullies - the whole "Femi-nazi" or SJW thing is just a vehicle for them to exploit. Anyone who wants to fight for social justice or promote any cause has a lot more credibility if they don't drag the level of discussion down to racism, threats, and other stupid behavior.
Now, about the collusion between the game sites in attacking their core customers - they obviously did this as "click bait". It's one thing to be controversial - another to throw out ethics and collude in an attack on a specific group of people for money. Stories should be covered based on their own merit, period.
The problem with protesting journalists is that journalists can and will write whatever they want about the people protesting them.
Only up to a point. Attacking your core audience sounds like they got the footgun out and didn't know it was loaded. Now they're paying the price. Anyone who remembers Maureen O'Gara's attacks on Linux, PJ, and Groklaw, and her false denials that she wasn't getting paid by SCO or otherwise working with them knows how this will end.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
The term was coined by a friend of Limbaugh, who went on to popularize the word.
Any woman who self-identifies as a "feminazi" is either trolling or trolled.
So I've learned over the last day. Definitely someone I would love to meet in a fair public discussion, just to have the chance to shame such views.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Yes, but she's not likely to engage in a fair public discussion.
Definitely someone I would love to meet in a fair public discussion, just to have the chance to shame such views.
Yes, but she's not likely to engage in a fair public discussion.
Even better. All someone has to do is clue her into my current .sig and everyone can just sit back and watch her foam at the mouth. Works for me.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
I appreciate very much the varying points of view here .. that didn't get TOO paranoid or conspiratorial, thank the godz.
However .. I just went to www.gamasutra.com, expecting to see a hotbed of feminist rages.
Surprise, surprise, surprise - very bad Gomer Pyle imitation
One, uno, ein, 1 blog entry from a female worker at Angry Birds on gender balance, and a very thoughtful article indeed!
So where's the beef? Why the furor? Tempest in a teakettle, eh?
I'm thinking Intel is succumbing to a kneejerk response to a flood of bogus complaints. Tch, shame on them.
There has been misogyny in gaming (and in society) for years. There have been feminists for years, and anti-feminists who object to them. No news there.
The news is that Intel bowed to pressure from a group of anti-feminist gamers and withdrew its support from a site that published some feminist criticism of gaming culture. That makes me very sad. I would have preferred to see Intel stand up for the feminist gamers, or perhaps even increase its support of Gamasutra in response to the blackmail. That they chose to pull their ads shows that they care about the bottom line more than they care about social justice.
As was noted, the poor oppressed white man. I'm sure in your world, the white men are last in line for all the jobs. Of course, your world bears virtually no resemblance to reality.
That's a false dichotomy. And did you realise you are talking about "the feminists" as if they are single monolithic group right after you just finished complaining about how people think gamers are a single monolithic group?
Not all groups are created equal. Some are more homogenous than others. "Feminists" as a group tend to be vocal activist types who wish to change society/organizations according to feminist principles. Whereas gamers are people who play games. One is politically motivated. One is enjoying a hobby/pasttime.
The super-masculine super soldiers are designed to appeal almost exclusively to the power fantasies of teenage boys. Are you honestly trying to tell me you've never heard feminists complain about that? I mean, isn't fear that the nasty feminists will take your boobs and you space marines away exactly what this is all about?
And said audience buys them. What's wrong with that? Do you have a problem with the existence of Fifty Shades or Harry Potter or Hunger Games?
Is it wrong for a chick flick to appeal to chicks over the main girl's relational angst on choosing between Guy A or Guy B?
Where'd this strange notion come from that you get the games you want by trying to change the ones that are popular and selling? People who like shooters don't complain about the existence of StarCraft and its lack of shooter mechanics, nor do RPG players complain about the lack of experience levels and stats in a platformer.
Go support the games that do what you want. Those who try to dictate what people are allowed to like are getting natural blowback.
On a sidenote, this is yet another problem that Bitcoin will solve for us.
Of course, I mean the problem that bank accounts and income streams can be garnished.
So many men are going benefit from the ability to hold their savings and earn income in a currency which no judge can remotely confiscate.
Who's Us? The Legion of Deadbeat Dads?
"Us" is all the people who have to live in a world where a fraction of the population uses violence and coercive power to get what they want and are looking forward to a post-state society.
Can I get a source on this? I don't doubt you necessarily, but the only thing googling is turning up for me, is her calling out other people for racism/transphobia.
Ohh, I figured it out. It's because Zoe Quinn once tweeted a link to an article that exposed an MRA who was posing as a trans woman while trying to negatively modify Zoe Quinn's Wikipedia page, as well as softening the page on the misogynist Isla Vista killings and on the men's rights movement. He also has explictly admitted to being a dude, so, you know. Not transphobia if they're not trans. :)
Also, like, all your posts are about how serious #gamergate is, and how feminists are the real hypocrites who are dangerous and must be stopped.
So, uh, yeah, don't bother with that follow-up post.
Zoe Quinn doxxed a 14yo transgender child and a transgender developer supporting #gamergate had her financial accounts hacked. They won't foam at the mouth, they'll just consider you a gender traitor/invader and target you for even more severe abuse than everyone else. That's the problem with these people, they're cultists.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
And who was it that claimed that? Oh right the people who doxxed a 14yo child. And got a black man fired. And hacked a transgender developer's financial accounts. And sent rape and death threats to a feminist supporting #gamergate. And paid the GNAA to tweet racial slurs and fake "threats".
Such a reliable source you got there.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
That's why I consider #gamergate to be not just a consumer revolt but also a long-time-coming civil war inside of feminism/social justice. #gamergate is the dividing line between "feminists" like Amanda Marcotte, Lindy West, and David Futrelle who just use it as a cover to scream hate and bile and feminists who will raise $70,000 to actually *help women*.
As for footgunning themselves... The problem with SJW ideology is it's basically a cult. Combine their utter intolerance for ANY break with the "party line" with a private mailing list (The Game JournoList) and you get an extremely insular self-reinforcing clique. They didn't print the anti-gamer articles as clickbait, they did it because they genuinely believe in this twisted straw man of gamers as evil unattractive white men, and they target women/minorities supporting #gamergate for doxxing and threats because they can't handle the cognitive dissonance.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
Sources: https://github.com/GamerGateOP...
Heads up, they censored github.
But they have only so much time, and if every potential target says "hey, bring it on", what are they going to do? As for doxxing me, I'm already completely out, both on and off the net. And others are purposefully "outing" themselves to help educate the masses as to what effects their attitudes have on us, and to fight the culture of shame.
I already have one troll who regularly goes through my posting history and crap-floods after almost every post for days on end, but it doesn't bother me, and I really feel sorry for him. I replied often enough to get it all on the record, and now I just ignore him.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Unfortunately they do have an advantage, though one which you may have some immunity to. The social justice warriors have pretty much taken over HR departments and have great influence over top management at many companies. So if they manage to doxx a male (particularly a white male) and send a note to his employer saying he supports those "nasty misogynists at #GamerGate", he's likely to have a bad time. And he can't defend himself against the accusations, because under the rules of SJWs, contradicting an SJW is misogyny.
You have a valid point. The problem is that many of us, seeing this for the first time, have absolutely no clue as to the history of this mess. But now that it's more out in the open as to what the heck is going on behind the scenes, people will see them for what they are. If Intel has pulled their ads, can others be far behind?
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
I mean, I'm trans. And part of being trans online nowadays is learning to tell TERFs apart from feminists, and trolls apart from trans women. It's a *really* common tactic for anti-SJW people to say "As a black disabled transgendered, I think that really it's white men who are most oppressed. This catering has gone too far!" I'm not gonna get it right 100% of the time, but a lot of times it's pretty obvious.
I don't know anything about you - maybe you're a trans lady too, which explains your concern about doxxing trans people. But in the overwhelming majority of my experience, people on the #feminist side are trans-inclusive, and the kind of people who are #gamergate are... not. Like, I use 4chan, and I play video games - I know what gamer culture is like. I also use tumblr, so I know what "SJW" culture is like, too. And of the two communities, it's very clear to me which one I'm more welcome in.
Doesn't even need to be white, the very first person they targeted was the black man that founded the #notyourshield tag. Not surprising given that Leigh Alexander is a blatant racist.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
Considering they've already escalated to mailing people open syringes and hacking people's bank accounts and have hit every notably visible female or minority supporter so far I really have no idea. They may well just take you up on it. I mean we're talking about people stupid enough to doxx a DoD employee with Top Secret level clearance.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
Pre-SJW takeover 4chan was downright welcoming of trans channers and many of gamergates most prominent supporters have been women, racial minorities, LGBT, or some combination thereof.
On the other hand anti-gamergate SJWs have hacked a transgender developer's bank accounts and doxxed 12 other people, specifically targeting women and minorities to such a degree that even a woman who built schools for girls in pakistan is afraid of revenge attacks against her. As far as I know every major female and minority supporter has been doxxed and had their lives and families threatened at this point. They even got the black man that started the #notyourshield hashtag fired and sent a feminist who's very moderate threats to mutilate and murder her for supporting #gamergate.
I'm not trans, I have trans friends who are called "scum" by SJWs but I'm not myself. I am however a victim of sexual and racial violence from a family of holocaust survivors. I oppose SJW culture because I know how it works, I know what it leads to. I've seen it before.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
The problem is its it's extremely easy for these people to coordinate and push a narrative. Between their private mailing list, other external SJWs like Marcotte, and the misogyny moral panic everyone reporting on this is either deliberately lying or simply taking those lies at face value and refusing to do any research. That's why women and minorities have stepped up so much, they know they're the only ones that can talk without being ignored. It's brave as hell of them to keep doing this even when they're getting death threats at work and at home or having their bank accounts hacked.
If there was ever a time for organized feminism to make a stand for true equality and clean house of the charlatans and hatemongers now would be it. A statement from an organization like the NOW decrying the false claims of misogyny and outright criminal behavior against #gamergate would basically destroy Alexander, Sarkeesian, and their inquisition.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
Oh, your friends are "truscum"? (That's a label they coined for themselves, btw).
Basically the ideology there is that all these transes-come-lately are stealing testosterone from the tru trans guys, and also making them look bad. Which is dumb, because if there's more demand for testosterone sales, the pharmaceutical companies will just make more. And really, the effect is just to put down the most vulnerable members of our community - those who are just figuring out their identities and figuring out where they belong. And it's not like trans people were exactly well-respected up until the moment that some kid decided to use "they/them" pronouns.
On March 20, 1978, a former member of Synanon was severely beaten (for being a "splittee") during his honeymoon when he took his bride to show her where he had once lived at the Walker Creek Ranch.[citation needed]
Synanon is heavily implicated in the late-1972 or early-1973 disappearance of Rose Lena Cole, who was ordered by a court to enroll in Synanon before she disappeared. She has not been seen or heard from since.[14]
During the summer of 1978, the NBC Nightly News produced a news segment on the controversies surrounding Synanon. Following this broadcast, several executives of the NBC network and its corporate chairman allegedly received hundreds of threats from Synanon members and supporters.[15] However, NBC continued with a series of reports on the Synanon situation on the NBC Nightly News.
On September 21, 1978, ex-Synanon member Phil Ritter was severely beaten by two Synanon members, which fractured his skull and caused him to fall into a coma with a near-fatal case of bacterial meningitis.[16]
Several weeks later, on October 11, 1978, two Synanon members placed a de-rattled rattlesnake in the mailbox of attorney Paul Morantz of Pacific Palisades, California.[17] Morantz had successfully brought suit on behalf of a woman abducted by Synanon. The snake bit and almost killed him[citation needed].
Six weeks later, the Los Angeles Police Department performed a search of the ranch in Badger that found a recorded speech by Dederich in which he said, "We're not going to mess with the old-time, turn-the-other-cheek religious postures...our religious posture is: Don't mess with us. You can get killed dead, literally dead...these are real threats," he snarled. "They are draining life's blood from us, and expecting us to play by their silly rules. We will make the rules. I see nothing frightening about it...I am quite willing to break some lawyer's legs, and next break his wife's legs, and threaten to cut their child's arm off. That is the end of that lawyer. That is a very satisfactory, humane way of transmitting information. I really do want an ear in a glass of alcohol on my desk."[16]
Dederich was arrested while drunk on December 2, 1978. The two other Synanon residents, one of whom was Lance Kenton, the son of the musician Stan Kenton, pleaded "no contest" to charges of assault, and also conspiracy to commit murder. While his associates went to jail, Dederich himself avoided imprisonment by formally stepping down as the chairman of Synanon.
Much of the violence by Synanon had been carried out by a group within Synanon called the "Imperial Marines."[18]
The Point Reyes Light, a small-circulation weekly newspaper in Marin County, received the Pulitzer Prize for Public Service in 1979 in recognition of its coverage of Synanon when other news agencies avoided reporting on it.
Synanon struggled to survive without its leader, and also with a severely tarnished reputation. The Internal Revenue Service sued for $17 million in back taxes, and all of its properties were confiscated and sold.[when?] Synanon formally dissolved in 1991.[19]
Mailing syringes, doxxing, hacking accounts - these are the acts of someone so chicken that they have to do their crap at a distance. They can easily get my address from my name - let them send me a few open syringes. They'll probably be stopped at the border (I'm in Kanukistan, pronounced "Ka-na-dah") and trigger an investigation.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
The problem is that there are a *lot* of charlatans and hatemongers who are pushing crap in any organized movement. "cleaning house" could also be seen by many as highly political, suppressing views opposed by the leadership. It's one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" things. Sure, I'll say that people who attack others the way they have is moronic, but who am I?
Which is actually possibly the key to the whole thing - when diverse women who are not part of any feminist movement say "hey, this is wrong", it means more because there's no hidden agenda.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Unfortunately it can't be the key because feminism has become an ideological superweapon. Feminists can do whatever they want in the name of feminism and people will simply no-true-scotsman them away but the moment anyone responds to that they're branded as an "anti-feminist" and "misogynist", which in today's society is essentially a social death sentence.
I mean just look at #gamergate, it really is a living breathing example of all of this. Even though they raised $70,000 for a feminist group to help women and are losing jobs and getting death threats even NPR is willing to simply lie through their teeth about them because they made the mistake of opposing someone who called "feminist" and cried victim louder.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
Oh, you're one of those kinds of liars. "True Scum" aka "TruScum" is a slur invented by a tumblr SJW for anyone who actually seeks medical treatment for gender dysmorphia, wants to transition, and especially isn't a "die cis scum" SJW. In other words it's a slur for anyone that isn't part of their hate group.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
Indeed, their tactics are so childishly simply it's hard to see how anyone actually buys into them. Objection to the word and actions of any given woman (in their in-group) becomes "attacking women".
Shrugs. That's how they identify themselves, guess I was misinformed on that point, if truscum.tumblr.com can be believed.
I have gender dysmorphia, binary-identified, have medically transitioned, and I'm not a "die cis scum"mer. Strangely enough, I don't get hate or anyone accusing me of being "truscum." Do you know why? It's because I'm not shitting on other people's identities, and I recognize that there are human beings who are trans who have different experiences than I do.
"Truscum" is only used to denote trans people who are policing *other* trans people's identities. Anyone saying that they're being attacked simply for *being* traditionally binary trans is... misrepresenting, at best. We don't take issue with people having dysmorphia or being binary trans folk - we only take issue with people saying that there's only one correct way to be trans, and everyone else is just pretending.
If by "policing" you mean calling out that people who claim to be transracial transpandas that identify as on every tuesday divisible by a prime number in base 7 and use social justice as an excuse to cover for their own bigotry then sure.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
"Us" is all the people who have to live in a world where a fraction of the population uses violence and coercive power to get what they want and are looking forward to a post-state society.
Post state? Now that's truly laughable. Past coinage had sone inherent value from being bits of precious or semi-precious metal. Bitcoin couldn't even EXIST outside of a state society network and the infrastructure it maintains.
I lost count of the number of things that are factually and conceptually wrong with that post.
Yeah, if that person actually existed. But they don't, and the fact that you've got to resort to such incredible hyperbole is kind of telling.
You do know that, like, almost every famous "transethnic/transracial" person is quite obviously an anti-SJ troll, as soon as you look into it? Y'all sit around making fake accounts & posts, fall for your own trolls, then post it up proudly "See this is why tumblr is terrible." The demons you're battling *aren't real.*
And yeah, some people actually do identify as "tumblr genders" - demigirl, or agender, or whatever. So what? That's between them and their friends & family - it affects the people in their lives, but not ours! Literally, the only thing that anti-truscum are asking, is "Mind your own business."
You realise the "this is you falling for your own troll" argument falls flat because SJW's run with these things unironically on their own, right? Stuff like #endfathersday may have been STARTED by pre-SJW takeover /pol/ but an enormous number of people still genuinely bought into it of their own free will. You don't get to blame trolls for revealing what's already inside people, it's like claiming someone isn't really a racist because they only revealed it thinking you were one too.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
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No? You're still railing at an enemy that doesn't exist, using them to justify your invalidation of other people's identities. Whether or not some of your opponents would side with this imaginary person is largely irrelevant.
Again, y'all are doing *real* harm to *real* people. "Transtrenders" ain't hurting you, so leave them alone.
First you say they don't exist, then you say they're real and being harmed.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
Real trans people exist that don't fit into the truscum narrative. And hey, I personally know binary-identified trans people that identified as genderqueer for a time. All that shitting on non-binary folk does is discourage people from exploring and finding their gender.
"people who claim to be transracial transpandas that identify as on every tuesday divisible by a prime number in base 7 and use social justice as an excuse to cover for their own bigotry" are not even close to real.
I can't even tell if you understand this point.
They're so not real and yet they happen to fill up tumblr in great numbers.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."