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Google Announces Motorola-Made Nexus 6 and HTC-Made Nexus 9

An anonymous reader writes In addition to Android 5.0 Lollipop, Google today also announced the first devices running the new version of its mobile operating system: the Nexus 6 and the Nexus 9. The former is a phablet built by Motorola, and the latter is a tablet built by HTC. The Nexus 6 is going up for pre-order on October 29, starting at $649. The Nexus 9 meanwhile is going up for pre-order this Friday (October 17), and you'll also be able to get it in stores on November 3.

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  1. The amazing part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I think the amazing part of this whole story is Motorola is still in business.

    1. Re:The amazing part by Stewie241 · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's amazing how companies can manage to survive when they are owned by Google.

    2. Re:The amazing part by Tumbleweed · · Score: 0

      I think it's amazing you don't know that Google doesn't own Motorola anymore.

    3. Re:The amazing part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It'd be more amazing if you had reading comprehension. Then again, maybe you should have posted anonymously.

    4. Re: The amazing part by StarWreck · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think its amazing that you don't know Google still owns Motorola. The Lenovo deal isn't finalized or approved yet.

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    5. Re: The amazing part by Tumbleweed · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's amazing I was wrong. Dammit! :)

    6. Re:The amazing part by Stewie241 · · Score: 1

      Hmmm... did I misread something? Please enlighten me. As for posting anonymously, meh. I try not to get too hung up on stuff like Karma or whatever else people worry about.

    7. Re:The amazing part by geekoid · · Score: 1

      They make money, why is that amazing?

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    8. Re:The amazing part by Stewie241 · · Score: 1

      Do they?

      http://investor.google.com/ear... seems to suggest that they are losing money:

      "Motorola Mobile Segment Operating Loss - Motorola Mobile segment operating loss in the fourth quarter of 2013 was $384 million, or -31% of Motorola Mobile segment revenues. This compares to segment operating loss of $152 million, or -10% of Motorola Mobile segment revenues in the fourth quarter of 2012."

    9. Re:The amazing part by Blue+Stone · · Score: 1

      Motorola's last two or three android phones were flipping amazing. So maybe they also have that going for them?

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    10. Re:The amazing part by Stewie241 · · Score: 1

      Yeah I wasn't really commenting on the success or failure of Motorola as an organization. Was only saying that no matter how well or poorly Motorola was doing, they are owned by Google and therefore have a lot of contingency available in the event they lose money.

      Which, upon further investigation, they seem to be doing.

    11. Re: The amazing part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's amazing that you don't know that Google does not and never did own Motorola, just a division of Motorola named Motorola Mobility.

    12. Re: The amazing part by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hmm...have to say I didn't find any points in this conversation to be amazing.

    13. Re: The amazing part by Dragon+Bait · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's amazing I was wrong. Dammit! :)

      It's amazing that someone admitted they were wrong. Consider +2 to your credibility.

    14. Re: The amazing part by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      The Lenovo deal is not officially approved yet. But nobody seems to be making any real objections to it, so it's pretty much certain to happen.

    15. Re: The amazing part by LordKronos · · Score: 1

      It's amazing

      it's amazing

      its amazing

      It's amazing

      It's amazing

      WTF? Did I stumble onto the set of "The Bachelor" or something?

  2. Meh by blackomegax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wake me up when there's a small one for $350 again.

    1. Re:Meh by Stargoat · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I think that NVidia has a pretty good one for 299. The Tablet Shield.

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    2. Re:Meh by stdarg · · Score: 4, Informative

      Google has arranged a release with 5 major US carriers simultaneously -- Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint, and US Cellular. They will be available under contract at a big discount (up front cost $50 or so instead of $650). The carriers probably put pressure on Google to keep the unlocked price high so we perceive a value to the contract.

    3. Re:Meh by Amnenth · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The page that the Nexus 6 is presented on still has a link to the Nexus 5. My personal theory at this time (unproven) is that they're keeping the Nexus 5 around as their lower-end model, since they don't have anything to replace its price point with. Hell, the Nexus 5 page now shows the device running Android L (Lollipop.)

    4. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I was just thinking that, now that AT&T dropped their prices and offered a lot of data for a reasonable monthly amount, how great it would be to not have to pay the extra $25 to upgrade, and instead justify a great phone purchase to my wife after ~1yr saving our money instead.

    5. Re:Meh by erice · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The page that the Nexus 6 is presented on still has a link to the Nexus 5. My personal theory at this time (unproven) is that they're keeping the Nexus 5 around as their lower-end model, since they don't have anything to replace its price point with. Hell, the Nexus 5 page now shows the device running Android L (Lollipop.)

      While the Nexus 5 is not as enormous as the Nexus 6, it is anything but small.

      Which is the chief problem with the various "mini" models available today. Not a one is actually a small, well featured phone. They are simply old and/or reduced spec phones every bit as big as the first wave of large phones.

    6. Re:Meh by Scot+Seese · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why couldn't they have hit the sweet spot - 5", 1080p, and focused on camera quality & battery life?

      Google doesn't understand hardware.

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    7. Re:Meh by Tailhook · · Score: 1

      Yep. They've pretty much ruined the Google phone formula with this overpriced phablet.

      5", 1080p, 2+GB RAM and enough CPU to make the browser work properly. That's all the phone I care to suffer.

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    8. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The carriers probably put pressure on Google to keep the unlocked price high so we perceive a value to the contract.

      Or, the phone has killer specs and poses unique value to those who value the best large phone on the market. This Nexus 6 will keep Samsung up with night terrors and murders the bendy iPhone hype all in one go.

    9. Re:Meh by Geeky · · Score: 1

      I think you've pretty much described the Nexus 5.

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    10. Re:Meh by sasparillascott · · Score: 3, Informative

      You are correct, except the Sony Z3 compact (they put the high end stuff in a smaller design):

      http://arstechnica.com/gadgets...

      We just have to wait and see if we can actually buy it.

    11. Re:Meh by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      I am quite happy with my Nexus 4. I could have maybe dealt with the 5 but surely the 6 is more than what is going to fit in my shirt pocket.

    12. Re:Meh by Nemyst · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, they totally aren't seeing a successful trend and following it.

    13. Re:Meh by swillden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why couldn't they have hit the sweet spot - 5", 1080p, and focused on camera quality & battery life?

      Google doesn't understand what I want in hardware.

      FTFY.

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    14. Re:Meh by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      Why couldn't they have hit the sweet spot - 5", 1080p, and focused on camera quality & battery life?

      They already did that with the Moto G2.

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    15. Re:Meh by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Of course they do. You just don't understand the market.

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    16. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Z3 compact seems to fit the bill of a small yet full featured phone. And with a awesome battery life to boot.

    17. Re:Meh by DougDot · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here ya go: http://oneplus.net/

    18. Re:Meh by un1nsp1red · · Score: 1

      And the Nexus 5.

    19. Re:Meh by shellbeach · · Score: 1

      It's available in Europe and seems to be selling pretty well on Amazon UK right now. I don't know why Sony ignores the US ...

      If I was looking for a phone right now I'd be seriously considering the Z3 compact. Seems pretty much the perfect size to me, and the battery life is insane.

    20. Re:Meh by Miamicanes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In other words, AT&T and Verizon will sell crippled, ruined, defective-by-design phones with locked bootloaders masquerading as real "Nexus" devices, tainting the brand name as badly as Verizon's Galaxy Nexus did. :-(

    21. Re:Meh by shellbeach · · Score: 1

      The 2nd gen Moto G isn't 1080p, and it's not exactly a flagship phone performance-wise (although it's very nice). Thankfully, it looks as though Google is keeping the N5 around for another year ...

    22. Re:Meh by shellbeach · · Score: 1

      I'm not so sure there's a big market for 6" phablets yet -- that's going into uncharted territory, somewhere not even Samsung dared to go (this year's Note 4 has the same screen size as last year's Note 3, at 5.7"). At some point, phones are simply going to get too big for people, and this phone is going to be very hard to fit in a pocket or use one-handed.

      It's also worth pointing out that Google's previous Nexii have had very mixed success sales-wise, so I'm not sure you can really assume that they've got the phone marketing thing down pat, or even that they care about sales that much. With a $650 price tag, the N6 seems more like a developer niche thing to me -- just as the Nexus One, Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus were (which also all had similarly high price tags).

      But, I could be wrong ... maybe it'll sell like hotcakes, and we'll be seeing a 7" phone next year.

    23. Re:Meh by Miamicanes · · Score: 3, Informative

      Huge warning about the Z3 -- Sony implemented a chunk of the camera firmware in a way that causes it to be crippled forever if you unlock the bootloader... and as of at least a few days ago, there was no root exploit that didn't depend upon having an unlocked bootloader. There probably will be one eventually... but you might be waiting a LONG time to get it. Ask yourself whether you'll still be happy with the phone if you end up not being able to root it for months (or ever), and if you'll still be satisfied with it if the low-light performance goes to hell as a consequence of unlocking the bootloader.

      Put another way, don't buy a Z3 unless you know beyond doubt there's a working root exploit for it that doesn't require an unlocked bootloader, and make equally sure that the phone you're buying has a ROM that hasn't slammed the door and locked out that root method. You'll still lose a chunk of the camera's functionality for the duration of your use of a custom ROM, but at least you'll preserve the ability to restore the phone back to stock at some future time if desired.

    24. Re:Meh by erice · · Score: 1

      The Z3 Compact is no exception. It has a 4.6" screen, making it much closer in size to to the 4.95" Nexus 5 than the 3.5" Iphone 4 that is the usual benchmark for a small phone. It also has a screen resolution of 720 x 1280 pixels. That's not bad but it is definitely cut down from the 1080 x 1920 pixels of the full size Z3.

      The other mini's are worse, of course, but the Z3 Compact is the not the savior of small phone aficionados.

    25. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Google's doing a fine job on it's own, I'm still pissed that my microSD card is virtually worthless as most apps are no longer allowed to use it. I bought a beefy card because a couple of apps needed a large amount of space only to discover that they couldn't be moved nor could they be made to use the space on the card for their cache files. What's more, none of the apps that move things to the card work.

      Considering that the phone has a microSD card slot, I shouldn't have to look up whether or not the current release will let me actually use it.

    26. Re:Meh by Paco103 · · Score: 1

      Amen, even my Nexus 4 is bigger than I really want. Honestly I might even tolerate the size, but that price is absolutely ridiculous, going from a $300+ phone to a $600+ phone, and they STILL didn't include a damn SD Card slot? Sorry Google, hope this goes well for you but I will not touch this piece of junk. Maybe I'll try the OnePlus One, the FairPhone, or hopefully some other compact and unlocked phone will come out in the future.

      Luckily for me, the specs of my Nexus 4 are still more than enough to run anything I've encountered, so maybe I'll make it until this whole phablet craze is over.

    27. Re:Meh by thrillseeker · · Score: 1

      You may now feel less pissed. https://code.google.com/p/chro...

    28. Re:Meh by fistfullast33l · · Score: 1

      You may now feel less pissed.

      https://code.google.com/p/chro...

      Maybe I missed it, but what does re-adding ext2/3/4 support to chrome OS have to do with SD Card support on Android?

    29. Re:Meh by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      Seriously the draw of the Nexus 5 was the not quite top line features but HALF the damned price.

      So they take that and make the 6 cost double and close to iPhone/Samsung territory?

      So much for that...

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    30. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Presumably Backup TA & DRM would allow you to pull those off, unlock the bootloader and then reload the TA & DRM partitions, making it so you don't actually lose anything.

    31. Re:Meh by non0score · · Score: 1

      So you can use your SD Card w/ EXT2/3/4 on CrOS again, I'm guessing? Like, some other use?

    32. Re:Meh by 7-Vodka · · Score: 1

      I own and still use a verizon galaxy nexus. Unlocking was as simple as booting into the bios and choosing 'unlock bootloader'. Done. No software or hacking necessary.

      You must be thinking of another phone. I've run many custom roms on this one.

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    33. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the raging success of the Nexus 4 and 5 might indicate that Google understands hardware a lot better than you do. The market demands larger screens while smaller screens are reserved for the less fortunate.
       
      iPhone-sized screens are going the way of the postage stamps they resemble.
       
      Nexus 6 is a must have, the size of a Note 4 but better in every way.

    34. Re:Meh by c · · Score: 1

      Not a one is actually a small, well featured phone. They are simply old and/or reduced spec phones every bit as big as the first wave of large phones.

      Generally true, but I've been hearing good things about the Sony Xperia mini/compacts. At least, I'm hoping that's true because when I have to replace my current 4.3" phone, I'm not keen on going much larger...

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    35. Re:Meh by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      Hence, my second paragraph ;-)

      The catch is... nobody really knows for sure WHEN someone will have a working root for bootloader-locked Z3s. It's probably safe to say that SOMEONE eventually will... but it could EASILY be 3-7 months, with no guarantees. And if you DID root the phone, back up the DRM keys, and reflash, you'd STILL probably be fucked if the phone got lost/stolen/broken & had to be replaced under warranty, because the new one would probably be locked in a way that defeated the older root method.

      I learned MY lesson the hard way. ~3 years ago, I bought a Motorola Photon fully expecting it to either have a working bootloader unlock that didn't disable Wimax, or for Motorola to become non-evil as a Google-owned company. I will never, ever totally forgive Motorola for the 2.3.4 Trojan non-update they did their best to make everyone THINK was going to be an early open beta of ICS, but REALLY permalocked the bootloader(*) so you couldn't even sacrifice working wimax and unlock it. The phone got angrily thrown in a drawer in disgust, and I went back to using my old Epic 4G for 3 months until I finally got a Galaxy S3 on release day. #Motofail. #Neveragain.

      As a direct result of AT&T's decision to lock the bootloaders like Verizon on all new phones, I'll be fleeing the intolerable yoke of AT&T's authoritarianism for the liberating sanctuary of T-Mobile when my new Note 4 arrives in a couple of days.

    36. Re:Meh by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      I'm sure you HAVE... but from what I remember, the gNex bootloader wasn't even TENTATIVELY circumvented until February or April of the following year, and wasn't robustly-overcome to the point where owners no longer worried about Verizon pushing an involuntary phone-bricking update on them until summer... ~7 months after initial release on Verizon.

    37. Re: Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure where you got your information, but you are completely incorrect.

    38. Re:Meh by madbrain · · Score: 1

      Actually, there is no microSD slot on the Nexus 6 or 9 .

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2014/10/15/motorola-nexus-6-everything-you-need-to-know/
      http://www.extremetech.com/computing/192061-nexus-9-unveiled-43-screen-64-bit-tegra-k1-soc-android-5-0-and-no-micro-sd-slot

      Also, the battery is non-removable.

      I will keep my LG G3 .

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    39. Re:Meh by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      It's not a Google phone, but I am pretty happy with my HTC One (m8) and there's a newer less expensive version (HTC Desire?). Five inch, 1080p, and very little bloatware / UI lag. HTC did a good job and it's a very responsive UI, better then my Asus tablet.

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    40. Re:Meh by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You mean a Nexus 5?

      Lolipop is being released for it, improves battery life, and it's cheap. Good camera, optically stabilized.

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    41. Re:Meh by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      I have a Z1 Compact and I really like it, it's a solid little phone with decent battery life. The Z3 seem to be an upgrade on all sides.

    42. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Google has arranged a release with 5 major US carriers simultaneously -- Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint, and US Cellular. They will be available under contract at a big discount (up front cost $50 or so instead of $650). The carriers probably put pressure on Google to keep the unlocked price high so we perceive a value to the contract.

      It never amazes me how Americans claim it's at a discount. It's like an installment plan where they hide the installment size from you and you keep on paying it after it's been paid. 600 $/€ is a typical price for a highend phone.

    43. Re:Meh by creepynut · · Score: 1

      Hmm let me think of all the Nexus devices which had an SD card slot (attmpted to do from memory in chronological order).

      • Nexus One (HTC, 2010) - yep
      • Nexus S (Samsung, 2011) - no
      • Galaxy Nexus (Samsung, 2011) - no
      • Nexus 7 (Asus, 2012) - no
      • Nexus 4 (LG, 2012) - no
      • Nexus 10 (Samsung, 2012) - no
      • Nexus 7 (Asus, 2013) - no
      • Nexus 5 (LG, 2013) - no

      Eight devices, only the first had an SD slot, and only the first 3 actually had a removable battery. It's always been my opinion that Google wants folks using their cloud storage. Many apps don't like storing data on the SD card, but for me I'd like to have it for media, not apps.

    44. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you actually BUY it now, or is still an email harvesting scam?

    45. Re:Meh by jbssm · · Score: 1

      Let us know when we can actually buy one... 9 months after it's supposedly out.

    46. Re:Meh by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 1

      (up front cost $50 or so instead of $650)

      Who gives a shit if the up-front cost is only $50? You still have to pay the entire cost of the phone. You just have 2 years in which to do it.

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    47. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. +1

      WAY too expensive for mainly yawnworthy updates, although TBH I already promised myself not to buy it unless they coughed up a 64b SoC.

      I really don't see $250 in added "value" over my $400 n5(32GB), just a hefty profit margin.

    48. Re:Meh by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      US Cellular doesn't require a contract after the initial one to start service. They instead offer a phone upgrade every so often depending on the price of your current plan.

    49. Re:Meh by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Why couldn't they have hit the sweet spot - 5", 1080p, and focused on camera quality & battery life?

      Erm... My Nexus 5 is about 5 inches. It has 1080p. The camera seems pretty good. If my phone idles for 14 hours is still has 93% battery left.

      Isn't the Nexus 5 what you really want? It is dirt cheap too.

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  3. cool by Charliemopps · · Score: 0

    Cool... I sure with the US wireless spectrum wasn't so fragmented that I can't use this on any carrier other than AT&T and Tmobile.

    1. Re:cool by Stewie241 · · Score: 1

      If I can properly decode your sentence (which I suspect got fragmented because you tried to change the way you expressed it three to fours times before hitting submit), you are expressing a suspicion that it will only be available for AT&T and T-Mobile.

      However, according to http://www.google.com/nexus/6/ one might be lead to believe it will be available on Sprint, Verizon and US Cellular also (based on pre-order logos). Not intimately familiar with the US cellular market, but I don't think exclusion of other carriers is based on fragmented spectrum.

    2. Re:cool by Charliemopps · · Score: 2

      No, I have a writing disorder and tend to type like that. Sorry. You should see my handwriting. :-)
      Keyboards have been a godsend for me.

      Anyways... previous Nexus models were GSM which makes sense for the rest of the world. But in the US we have a lot of carriers that are CDMA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...

      GSM you can move from carrier to carrier. CDMA you cannot.
      I've very supprised to see they are going to both types of carriers.
      I found the specs:
      Channels, North America GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
      CDMA Band Class: 0/1/10
      WCDMA Bands: 1/2/4/5/8
      LTE Bands: 2/3/4/5/7/12/13/17/25/26/29/41
      CA DL Bands: B2-B13, B2-B17, B2-29, B4-B5, B4-B13, B4-B17, B4-B29

      Does it have BOTH? Or are there 2 models of phone?
      If it has both, I'll be switching to this when my contracts up.

    3. Re:cool by Scutter · · Score: 2

      Maybe he typed it on an iPhone.

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    4. Re:cool by Stewie241 · · Score: 1

      Ah, I see what you're getting at. We also have carriers that use both CDMA and GSM here. Wikipedia suggests that the North American model of the Nexus 5 supports:
      2G/3G/4G LTE
      GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
      Model LG-D820 (North America)
      CDMA band class: 0/1/10
      WCDMA bands: 1/2/4/5/6/8/19
      LTE bands: 1/2/4/5/17/19/25/26/41

      I would then guess that the Nexus 6 would do the same.

      My understanding is that technologies are converging and the technical divide that used to separate two groups of carriers is disappearing.

    5. Re:cool by mrchaotica · · Score: 2

      FYI, the Nexus 5 is GSM & CDMA, and works just fine on Sprint's network. The only reason it doesn't (or didn't -- maybe it's changed?) work on Verizon's network was because Verizon decided not to allow it, not technological incompatibility.

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    6. Re:cool by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      Making a phone that can do both CDMA and GSM, and work on multiple carriers' LTE, is a political and business obstacle caused mostly by Qualcomm's complicity with anticompetitive American carriers, not a technical one.

      The radios in these phones are overwhelmingly software-defined (and constrained by limits dictated and imposed by the carriers, the most important of which is "thou shall not support the frequencies of any other US carrier, even if the phone is nominally unlocked"). Even in cases where the RF amplifier might not be optimized for a particular carrier's band, the line between "doesn't work" and "doesn't work as well as it does with other carriers" is a lot blurrier than most people realize. Put another way, it's not rocket science. American phones aren't physically INCAPABLE of interoperating with multiple networks... they're arbitrarily PROGRAMMED to be incompatible.

    7. Re:cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Snapdragon CPU has everything but the kitchen sink built into it. From the Qualcomm website:

      Integrated 4G LTE Advanced World Mode, supporting LTE FDD, LTE TDD, WCDMA (DC-HSPA+, DC-HSUPA), CDMA1x, EV-DO Rev. B, TD-SCDMA and GSM/EDGE (when paired with 3rd or 4th gen. Integrated LTE modem)

      Apple utilizes a similar strategy with the iPhone, except they use a Qualcomm modem chip with their Ax CPU, instead of a Snapdragon all-in-one part.

    8. Re:cool by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      FYI, the Nexus 5 is GSM & CDMA, and works just fine on Sprint's network. The only reason it doesn't (or didn't -- maybe it's changed?) work on Verizon's network was because Verizon decided not to allow it, not technological incompatibility.

      Right, which is the problem. If the carriers all allow it... it really is a carrier agnostic phone. I can not stand to be locked into a carrier or a contract. But given the current system you basically are. There is no point in getting a pay as you go phone, you can't GO anywhere.

    9. Re:cool by schnell · · Score: 1

      Making a phone that can do both CDMA and GSM, and work on multiple carriers' LTE, is a political and business obstacle caused mostly by Qualcomm's complicity with anticompetitive American carriers, not a technical one.

      Not so much. It's not collusion, it's a cost/feature tradeoff. First, Qualcomm makes chipsets that support every carrier under the sun, so it has nothing to do with them. When a handset OEM goes to design their phone, they specify which carriers to support. Throwing bands at the wall to see what sticks is not a popular approach because each additional band you add has a cost in money (from Qualcomm for engineering and testing) and space (the radio filters themselves are physical). Usually Qualcomm will sell you a chipset that has X number of "slots" available for different frequencies to support, and you have to pick them. The more slots you want, the higher the BOM cost to you of the chipset, where even a few $ per unit can be a big deal in a competitive market.

      On top of that, a device manufacturer will also spend millions of dollars to test and certify their their device with each carrier (as well as porting and testing the carrier's own unique "deck" of preloaded bloatw.... er, apps), and invest lots of engineering time. You don't want to support every carrier under the sun unless you really think they are going to bring you meaningful sales volumes to justify the time and resource expense.

      Even in cases where the RF amplifier might not be optimized for a particular carrier's band, the line between "doesn't work" and "doesn't work as well as it does with other carriers" is a lot blurrier than most people realize.

      That may be technically true, but it's not the way that the wireless business works. There's no such thing in the big-time cellular world as "it kinda sorta works on our network, so what the heck, why not?" Carriers don't want to take the chance of a bad performing device making a customer think the network sucks and cancel their contract as a result. Device makers don't want devices returned because they "sorta work." Neither wants the customer service hassle associated with it. So for both carriers and device makers, there is a powerful incentive to make sure a device works solidly on a particular carrier or they won't support it.

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  4. Nexus 6 by Krymzn · · Score: 5, Funny

    I though Tyrell made the Nexus 6?

    1. Re:Nexus 6 by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 2

      All those... moments... will be lost in time, like [small cough] tears... in... rain.

      Time... to die...

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    2. Re:Nexus 6 by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      The Thing is, there was a problem with those models, someone in engineering called Annie made a mistake in a background routine that caused the OS to keep trying to phone home to keep in touch with a Master Control Program, causing the Wrath of Google who were afraid the whole thing would end up on Conan so they pulled the whole thing from the shelves before someone drew First Blood.

      So now we have Nexus 6: The Sequel.

    3. Re:Nexus 6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tyrell means Google in ancient Sumerian...

  5. Will it fit in my front pocket? by Rinikusu · · Score: 1

    My Note 2 is at the edge of discomfort already. I'm not going to buy a Fanny pack. Hrm.. maybe JNCO can stage a come-back with Phablet pocket bags.

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    1. Re:Will it fit in my front pocket? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Note 2 is at the edge of discomfort already. I'm not going to buy a Fanny pack. Hrm.. maybe JNCO can stage a come-back with Phablet pocket bags.

      Sure, if you bend it.

    2. Re:Will it fit in my front pocket? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's a feature patented by Apple apparently.

    3. Re:Will it fit in my front pocket? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah good one. Now go suck on your lollypop kid.

  6. Same cell modems? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because there has been no farfare to the contrary, I assume that these still come with cell modems that are not only closed source, but whose drivers require that they share memory with the main system, opening everyone's data right up to attackers. Thank for caring about our privacy, Google!

    1. Re:Same cell modems? by RavenLrD20k · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, I don't know of any cell modem manufacturers other than Qualcomm, so thus, not much option for an open modem platform. Unless you happen to have information on other platforms that are open and mass marketed that could enlighten me.

    2. Re:Same cell modems? by CRCulver · · Score: 1

      The Neo900 has found a cell modem manufacturer that, while still closed source, at least doesn't required a shared-memory driver with all the security problems that brings.

    3. Re:Same cell modems? by assassinator42 · · Score: 2

      Searching brings up Intel, MediaTek, Broadcom and Nvidia.
      The Blackphone uses an Nvidia modem; which supposedly doesn't need to share memory.
      I'm assuming the Nexus 9 will use an Nvidia modem as part of their SoC as well.

  7. Expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The phone looks massively overpiced. Tablet doesn't seem too unreasonable but I don't see any compelling reason to switch from my Nexus 10.

  8. No SD card, non-removable battery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Based on the images, it looks to have no SD card slot and a non-removable battery. I like the keyboard on the tablet though. Google should take a hint from the Jolla phone and provide an accessory port so we can buy a keyboard if we want one.

    1. Re:No SD card, non-removable battery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Based on the images, it looks to have no SD card slot and a non-removable battery. I like the keyboard on the tablet though. Google should take a hint from the Jolla phone and provide an accessory port so we can buy a keyboard if we want one.

      You could look at the limited images, or you could just read the specs. But yes, it does not come with an SD card slot.

      It is an almost 100% Moto X Gen 2 clone, so you wouldn't have expected the slot or removable battery.

    2. Re:No SD card, non-removable battery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there a modern phone with a removable battery, and an SD card slot that isn't locked down?

    3. Re:No SD card, non-removable battery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LG G3! :)

    4. Re:No SD card, non-removable battery by tbuddy · · Score: 2

      Galaxy S5 Google Play Edition

    5. Re:No SD card, non-removable battery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That requires buying something from Samsung, which I will never do.

    6. Re:No SD card, non-removable battery by Kielistic · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nexus devices no longer offer those features. With the high price-point on this phone it really does seem that Google has abandoned everything that made the Nexus line so much better than the iPhones. I guess they think their OS is prime time enough they no longer have to offer those frills.

      As for an accessory port: It's called USB. Bluetooth is also available.

    7. Re:No SD card, non-removable battery by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Because few used them, and they are a maintenance nightmare.
      I used them, but I was one of the few.

      I don't think it's a OS weakness, I think it's a hardware design choice.

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    8. Re:No SD card, non-removable battery by Kielistic · · Score: 1

      I didn't say it was an OS weakness... I said they seem to no longer feel the need to compete on expandability like the Nexus line was originally marketed as. The distinguishing feature is now just Android. Especially with the new high price. $350 for a Nexus 5? That was practically an impulse buy when I dropped my Galaxy Nexus. $650? Not so much.

    9. Re:No SD card, non-removable battery by tbuddy · · Score: 1

      Get a Blu Dash 5.5 or something like that then. There are a ton of choices. Blue, ZTE, Huwei, and others all make things with plenty of choices. I'm not going to suggest someone buy some farkle brand in order to simply disprove that there aren't modern phones with replaceable batteries.

      I don't consider Apple, Samsung, HTC, or LG to be any less evil than the next one. Couple in whatever your carrier is, there is little to no chance there isn't a scumbag or two in the experience.

    10. Re:No SD card, non-removable battery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HTC One M8 Play Edition

    11. Re:No SD card, non-removable battery by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      Is there a modern phone with a removable battery, and an SD card slot that isn't locked down?

      Galaxy Note 4. Just make sure you buy the T-Mobile version. The Verizon and AT&T versions are pre-crippled with locked bootloaders.

    12. Re:No SD card, non-removable battery by Amnenth · · Score: 1

      With the Nexus 5 still in up-to-date advertising material, I'd say they haven't abandoned it yet. Hell, the page images show it running Android L and in more backing colours than were on the Play Store as I write this (Black, white, red).

      I'm pretty sure that means they're not dropping the '50% of the price of an iPhone' feature of the line.

    13. Re:No SD card, non-removable battery by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I don't think they are actually retiring the Nexus 5, it is still available if you want a cheaper 5" device. Okay, no SD card, but the battery is not hard to replace.

      As for accessories, I like NFC. No cables, no pairing. Omron make some nice health monitoring products that communicate via NFC.

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    14. Re:No SD card, non-removable battery by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Nokia 130.

    15. Re:No SD card, non-removable battery by Kielistic · · Score: 1

      Which is the Apple model again. Which, I guess, if it works why change it? The Nexus 5 definitely does not have a user removable battery- I have one right in front of me. The screen isn't hard to replace either but it is not a user replaceable part. I'm really just commenting on the fact that the Nexus line was originally marketed as affordable and for those of us that would use features like SD cards. Now that they've got both feet in the door they can jack up the price and drop features.

      NFC is just the pairing stage is it not? My understanding of the technology was that it was really only for when devices are nearly touching. Or do you mean monitoring device monitors then transfers data later?

  9. phablet by Russ1642 · · Score: 1

    Please oh please may that term die a quick painless death.

    1. Re:phablet by Trepidity · · Score: 2

      I hope it does along with the form factor...

    2. Re:phablet by Tailhook · · Score: 2

      No. The phablet term is not going to be allowed to die. It concisely expresses contempt for crazy huge "phones" and those of us that know better than to expect our phones to be portable movie theaters will continue to use it freely.

      Deal.

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    3. Re:phablet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please oh please may that term die a quick painless death.

      It will, right after the industry gets away from this asinine idea that people want to hold a book up to the side of their head to have a conversation.

      And since the makers of iAddicts just released their 6+XXL48DD sized model, you're not going to convince anyone bigger is not always better.

    4. Re:phablet by Russ1642 · · Score: 1

      The term, not necessarily the device. If you want a device that size then fine. Just don't call it a phablet.

    5. Re:phablet by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "...and those of us that know better ..."
      I see you 'know better' and know the correct way to use a device.

      Aren't you special. This should be familiar to you:
      http://goo.gl/YwYdZG

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    6. Re:phablet by RavenLrD20k · · Score: 1

      I'm waiting for a Pipboy style mount for my phone with hard inputs on top of touchscreen. Telephone style communication can be had through Bluetooth headsets.

    7. Re:phablet by nblender · · Score: 1

      I thought Phondle-slab was better.

    8. Re:phablet by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      You're welcome: http://www.motorolasolutions.c...

      Runs Windows Mobile though, so it's useless.

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    9. Re:phablet by rossdee · · Score: 1

      "Please oh please may that term die a quick painless death."

      Well then you could call that sort of device a "tane"

      (and have it rhyme with Dane so we don't get it confused with the god of the forest)

    10. Re:phablet by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The main attraction for many people is not watching movies, it's browsing the web and other content. So much nicer on a larger screen, and 6" is about right for many people. I wouldn't go any smaller than 5" these days.

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    11. Re:phablet by LordKronos · · Score: 1

      It will, right after the industry gets away from this asinine idea that people want to hold a book up to the side of their head to have a conversation.

      It's as if, after all these years, the n-gage lives on.

  10. What's the point anymore? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At first, the Nexus line was aimed at developers and hobbyists. Then they changed the Nexus to appeal to people who were too stupid to use a microSD card.

    The Nexus phone was then said to be an affordable device for those who hated long carrier contracts.

    What's next? A Nexus phone with carrier bloat and slow updates?

    1. Re:What's the point anymore? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nexus 4 owner here, and love the device. It was cheap ($250 when it came out), has no bloat (stock android), and of course no carrier contracts. The manufacturer that can keep that game up will be what I purchase in the future. BTW: My household has 1 Nexus 4 (mine), and 3 Nexus 5s (wife+kids)-- phone bill with unlimited talk/text/data for all devices: $120/month in the US on T-Mobile.

    2. Re:What's the point anymore? by Geeky · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I got one because I didn't want to be on contract or have all the bloatware, and the Nexus 5 is/was great value. Looks like I'll be sticking with it, and maybe even getting a like for like replacement if it breaks, because I don't want a phablet. I have a tablet, what I want in a phone is something I can put in my pocket. The Nexus 5 is pretty much at the limit already.

      I'd even buy a more expensive unlocked phone from someone else, but then you've got to put up with the non-standard interfaces.

      Doesn't really matter though - the Nexus 5 is still a pretty respectable spec.

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    3. Re:What's the point anymore? by Eccles · · Score: 2

      Yeah, they just lost me. I hate contracts and have been switching phones fairly regularly, selling the old phone to help pay for the new. So it was perhaps $100 to upgrade each time. Now it's more like $400 to upgrade, and there's lots of quality competition at that price. The only clear advantage it has, assuming you don't absolutely want a phablet, is its version of Android is most up-to-date. I think it's going to lose the Nexus fans, most of whom will stay with the 5, without gaining much of an audience. How unique is the fast charging?

      And I'm particularly annoyed because I'm on T-Mobile, which has their new Wi-Fi calling/texting feature, but it's not supported with the 5. (Rumor was the 6 would support it.)

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  11. Also announced Nexus player by vivek7006 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And it is powered by an Intel chip. Interesting that Google decided to go with Intel 64-bit SoC instead of ARM. This is a big win for Intel

    1. Re:Also announced Nexus player by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Why is it a big win for Intel? Regardless of how cool it is (and I think it's cool, and am maybe considering getting one -- especially if I can put normal Linux on it), Google isn't going to sell enough of them for anybody to care.

      (I know this because no Nexus devices sell well enough for anybody to care... even things as comprehensively awesome as the Nexus 5 aren't marketed well enough to the dumb [m]asses to outsell the contract-carrier schmuck-phones like the Galaxy Note and iPhone.)

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    2. Re:Also announced Nexus player by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I'd call it a "big" win - this is still a pretty niche product. I'd say this might be Google testing the waters with x86 to see what'll happen.

    3. Re:Also announced Nexus player by Narishma · · Score: 1

      Do we know it's 64-bit? Some Atoms are artificially crippled to 32-bit-only.

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    4. Re:Also announced Nexus player by macromorgan · · Score: 1

      I suspect it's the Z3560. If I were you I'd be less worried about the bitedness and more worried about the graphics drivers if you wanted to run Linux on this thing. Intel chips with PowerVR graphics have had a terrible track record (compared to Intel chips with in-house graphics).

    5. Re:Also announced Nexus player by vivek7006 · · Score: 1

      I agree, Google isn't going to sell enough. But still its a big deal for Intel, since they have struggled to put their SoC in big name products. They are making progress in tablet space, but this Nexus win adds credibility to Intel's SoC roadmap

    6. Re:Also announced Nexus player by vivek7006 · · Score: 1

      This is a media player (like Roku), so there is no battery involved here

    7. Re:Also announced Nexus player by ADRA · · Score: 1

      Yes, because nobody bought chromecasts or chomrbooks either, so who give a whack?

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    8. Re:Also announced Nexus player by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      And it is powered by an Intel chip. Interesting that Google decided to go with Intel 64-bit SoC instead of ARM. This is a big win for Intel

      How big a win can it be when it's flanked by 2 much more mass-market devices that are powered by the competition?

  12. RIP Nexus 7, you were the best. by eddy · · Score: 1

    I just wanted a new 3rd gen Nexus 7 with a spec bump. Cheap but durable. For in-home (bed) use; wifi-only is fine. $199. Sold.

    Maybe next year. Or maybe not.

    I don't need nor want a big tablet. I can't replace the 7" tablet with a 6" phone (no upside). The 9" I'm sure is a nice size and all, but it's going to be at least twice the price. No go.

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  13. Nexus 6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Can you pre-order the Darryl Hannah model? Or do I have to get Rutger Hauer?

  14. Pass - Had major issues with Nexus 5 (from LG) by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

    I decided to give the Nexus 5 Google Play Edition a chance. It was a (relatively) decent price, decent kit, and a nice screen. It didn't have as many features as the latest Galaxy but it was still quite good. And I was digging the latest Android screenshots so I got it shortly after release.

    It had a major Microphone bug.

    It didn't matter where I held it, but the mic would sometimes die out and nobody could hear me. At all. I eventually left myself a voicemail at work and could BARELY hear myself.

    I wasn't the only one with the issue.

    So... was NOT a fan LG after that. And I don't know how much faith I'm willing to put in a Nexus phone if it released with that big of a bug.

    1. Re:Pass - Had major issues with Nexus 5 (from LG) by Maltheus · · Score: 2

      LG messed up the 7 too. I read somewhere that it's battery issues may be tied to the substandard wiring people were observing, when they took the unit apart. I have much better luck with the 10.

    2. Re:Pass - Had major issues with Nexus 5 (from LG) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rumor has it that the Nexus 6 isn't made by LG, has almost nothing in common with previous Nexus phones, and isn't for weenies like you anyway. Probably a good thing nobody can hear you. HAND.

    3. Re:Pass - Had major issues with Nexus 5 (from LG) by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      So... you had a defective unit and, instead of doing the logical consumer thing and sending it in for a warranty-covered repair, you decided to keep it, problems and all, and then complain about it on internet forums.

      That sounds smart.

    4. Re:Pass - Had major issues with Nexus 5 (from LG) by Nemyst · · Score: 3, Informative

      Huh? The Nexus 7, both variants, was manufactured by Asus.

    5. Re:Pass - Had major issues with Nexus 5 (from LG) by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      Funny.

      Obviously the rumor is LG isn't making it. That wasn't my issue. My last sentence summed it up

      If Google wants to promote their Nexus line as THE official TEMPLATE for their phones... and misses such a HUGE design flaw that impacts the core aspect of the device (being a phone) then I'm not going to trust future Nexus versions for a while either. Because either they didn't care enough to notice it, or didn't care enough to do something drastic to delay the release or AT THE LEAST put out a press release. I'll go with something else instead (HTC, Samsung Galaxy, etc.)

      Apple was kind of in the same boat with the whole "You're holding it wrong" situation. That was a big bug that impacts day-to-day use of the core aspect of the phone. They missed it, presumably because they tried to test the phones with camoflauged cases.

      Though I find the Nexus 5 MICROPHONE issue worse than hand-gate (and bend-gate) because the mic issue completely prevents me from using the phone as a phone. While Hand-Gate was just a signal reduction issue resolved with a bumper, and bend-gate doesn't affect me. And I still skipped iPhone for a generation.

    6. Re:Pass - Had major issues with Nexus 5 (from LG) by swillden · · Score: 2

      Huh? The Nexus 7, both variants, was manufactured by Asus.

      And as far as I've seen, both of them have proven to be excellent devices.

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    7. Re:Pass - Had major issues with Nexus 5 (from LG) by Maltheus · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I realized that after I posted. I confused the manufacturer with my 4 (which is pretty decent).

    8. Re:Pass - Had major issues with Nexus 5 (from LG) by shellbeach · · Score: 1

      I assume you had it replaced free-of-charge under warranty, and ended up with a perfectly good replacement? Google are very good with replacing Nexus phones bought through the play store -- you get sent a replacement phone before you ship your old phone off.

      And if you didn't, you're still at least two weeks within the warranty period ... it's not too late :)

    9. Re:Pass - Had major issues with Nexus 5 (from LG) by Maltheus · · Score: 1

      You must have gotten lucky. I've found many threads with people complaining about the same problems I've seen.

    10. Re:Pass - Had major issues with Nexus 5 (from LG) by stebbo · · Score: 1

      The original 7s had a problem with memory TRIM or something. They get horribly slow over time. A factory reset fixes it for a while, but that's far from ideal. OS update was meant to fix it, though I've not seem evidence of a fix. If it wasn't for that then they are lovely devices.

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    11. Re:Pass - Had major issues with Nexus 5 (from LG) by swillden · · Score: 1

      Hmm. I had one for over a year (before upgrading to the 2013 model) and never saw that. Perhaps it depended on usage pattern.

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    12. Re:Pass - Had major issues with Nexus 5 (from LG) by swillden · · Score: 1

      You must have gotten lucky. I've found many threads with people complaining about the same problems I've seen.

      Well, since I had two of the original Nexus 7s and there are currently four of the 2013 model in my house, I must be really lucky :-)

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    13. Re:Pass - Had major issues with Nexus 5 (from LG) by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      Be careful sampling from forum threads. People who don't have any problem don't post. Generally speaking, I think you'll find that looking up any device will pop up a few problems. It's when a significant proportion of the devices manufactured exhibit that problem that you can say the device's design is bad or faulty. Thousands of failures due to the same issue can still only mean a sub-0.1% failure rate, which'd be stellar.

    14. Re:Pass - Had major issues with Nexus 5 (from LG) by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      So... you had a defective unit and, instead of doing the logical consumer thing and sending it in for a warranty-covered repair, you decided to keep it, problems and all, and then complain about it on internet forums.

      That sounds smart.

      Did that, got another bad one. Didn't matter who used it or tried it. Same thing. Even brought it to a couple AT&T dealers to see if they could figure it out... none of us were blocking the mic with our fingers or anything.

      Others on the support forums had similar "replaced with yet another bad one" situations.

      It was a known problem... perhaps with a batch? If you Google Nexus 5 microphone bug you'll find a lot of hits from around the same time.

      I would have been OK with the occasional crash or some other unstable bug that would eventually be fixed by software. But being unable to use it as an actual PHONE until it was fixed was not an option.

    15. Re:Pass - Had major issues with Nexus 5 (from LG) by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      I assume you had it replaced free-of-charge under warranty, and ended up with a perfectly good replacement? Google are very good with replacing Nexus phones bought through the play store -- you get sent a replacement phone before you ship your old phone off.

      And if you didn't, you're still at least two weeks within the warranty period ... it's not too late :)

      Yup, replaced it and got another defective unit. This was around March or April. The person on Google Play's support line knew what I was talking about when I called about it too.

      It was a common / known issue, and others had bad replacements as well. A Google search will show it.

      Perhaps a bad batch, or a bad software update was pushed or something.

      So I did a full return / refund on the second unit.

      I could tolerate a common-crash or some Internet based issue that might "eventually" get fixed in a patch. Heck maybe the Mic issue was eventually fixed, but a Google search shows people still complaining about it in June.

      But being unable to use my phone as an actual PHONE made it a no-brainer... I had to move on.

    16. Re:Pass - Had major issues with Nexus 5 (from LG) by shellbeach · · Score: 1

      Sorry to hear that ... my N5 that was one of the first batch ever made (purchased in the first minute after launch) has never had a mic issue. I know it's one of the problems that got reported on forums, but all the other N5 owners I know (all five of them -- it's not a huge sample!) haven't had any issues with the phone and I suspect the batch of phones affected was relatively small. At least you got a refund!

      In the almost-year I've owned the N5, I've been pretty happy with the build quality of the phone. The buttons still work and don't wobble, the case doesn't creak, and the soft-touch backing hasn't worn off. The screen's stayed scratch-free, too, and I'm still getting great battery life. The only issue I've got is that the USB port has become a bit temperamental for charging over the last month (it now seems to work reliably with only one particular cable -- I should probably get it replaced while I still can!)

      I still think it's one of the best phones available -- right up there with the iPhone6, Sony Z3/Z3c and the Moto X; and for the price, the Z3c is really the only competition I can think of.

    17. Re:Pass - Had major issues with Nexus 5 (from LG) by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      Thanks. Yeh, it seemed like the perfect phone. Decent build quality, nice size, great price... I was thrilled.

      Until I had to make calls :-(

      And when the replacement had it too :-(

      It was a shame. But enough to turn me off of Nexus for a version or so.

    18. Re:Pass - Had major issues with Nexus 5 (from LG) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize that your problem with the microphone wasn't a design flaw, but a problem with your particular unit...?

  15. VS Moto X Gen 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is almost 100% a Gen 2 Moto X.

    So what is the difference between the Moto X Gen 2 and the Nexus 6.

    I see it supports more LTE bands. The Moto X is already the most minimal of all Android flavors, so not really much advantage software wise.

    Anything else apart from the increased cost?

    1. Re:VS Moto X Gen 2 by danbob999 · · Score: 2

      Moto X 2nd has a smaller, lower resolution display, less RAM, and a slower SoC. Many people will prefer the smaller size of the Moto X however.

    2. Re:VS Moto X Gen 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Going by the Google Play Edition of the MotoG, they'll probably use a less-than-best-of-breed camera & an inferior touch screen ASIC with reduced sample rate & accuracy.

  16. Bring the 10 Back by Maltheus · · Score: 2

    I have the 4, the 7 (2nd gen) and the 10. The Nexus 10 is the best smart anything I ever bought. Good speakers and nice sized screen. I can go a couple weeks between recharges. That should have been their flagship product.

    I thought the 7, despite all the stellar reviews was garbage. Crummy battery life makes it unusable. I might get a day or two on this. The random reboots don't help either.

    I have pretty much the exact same software on both, except that I confine my video watching to the 10. I'm lucky if I can even check my twitter feed on the 7, without having to plug it in everyday.

    I don't see the point of the 9. A 7 is about the best you can comfortably manage with one hand. If you have to use two anyway, then they should have just moved up to an 11 or a 12.

    1. Re:Bring the 10 Back by gander666 · · Score: 1

      Word. My experience exactly. The advice? Load CM on it. Nah, it sits in a drawer unused

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    2. Re:Bring the 10 Back by mjwx · · Score: 1

      I thought the 7, despite all the stellar reviews was garbage. Crummy battery life makes it unusable. I might get a day or two on this. The random reboots don't help either.

      Which "7" are you talking about?

      I've got a 2013 Nexus 7 (LTE version) that gets 5 to 7 days on battery (depending on usage) and has never randomly rebooted.

      The only time I ever have had less than 2 days battery life was when I watched 8 hours of video in one go when flying on a budget airline.

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    3. Re:Bring the 10 Back by gweilo8888 · · Score: 1

      This. Google has monumentally screwed up the size of these things.

      The Nexus 6 is ridiculously large for a phone (and I'm not against large phones per se -- my Xperia Z2 hits the sweet spot for me). I have no interest in a Nexus 6, needless to say. At the same time, the Nexus 9 doesn't offer enough of a size advantage over my phone for content viewing -- and that's the primary reason for a device like this.

      The Nexus 9's screen is, in terms of size, essentially a Nexus 10 screen with the sides cut off to a 4:3 aspect ratio. Most content I view on the device will be 16:9 or CinemaScope (movies), 3:2 (photos) or somewhere in between (ebooks using printed pages option; I consider the layout and font choices an important part of the experience, and can't stand reading ebooks as flowing text.). So the Nexus 9 screen is the wrong aspect for basically every type of content I will consume on it, and will have black bars surrounding the content. It's almost as large as my Nexus 10, the screen size is identical on the shorter side, but the content will be 20-30% smaller depending on what I'm viewing. Where my Nexus 10 offers a 3.5x larger picture for 16:9 movies than does my phone, the Nexus 9 will only be 2.5x larger.

      I'm definitely sitting these out, and if the Nexus 10 doesn't get a replacement before mine dies, I'll be switching to an Xperia Z2 tablet instead.

    4. Re:Bring the 10 Back by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The 2012 Nexus 7 Wifi is the garbage one. Takes a full day to recharge, takes only a handful of hours to go flat with use. If it's not charged overnight expect it to go blank on you at some point in the following day.

      Not to mention cable problems charger problems etc. Google "Google Nexus 7 battery life" and the thread on the forums is insanely long and full of complaints.

    5. Re:Bring the 10 Back by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      I found a lot of these problems were resolved by doing a system cache wipe ; it went from hardly charging at all to charging in sensible time. Currently the tablet has been sat lurking in an IRC channel on my nightstand, off charger, for at least a week, and still has more than 40% charge.

      The only cable problem I had was when I dropped the thing on the floor when charging ; I had to rebend the shroud on the USB socket back into place. It's still a bit loose, depending on the cable you use.

      Yes, you shouldn't have to tinker with things. I can't say I'm impressed with the overall quality of Asus's tablet offerings - my girlfriend has one of their transformer tablets, and the keyboard dock has failed - the connection seems to work fine, because the touchpad part still works... just the keyboard doesn't.

    6. Re:Bring the 10 Back by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I don't see the point of the 9. A 7 is about the best you can comfortably manage with one hand. If you have to use two anyway, then they should have just moved up to an 11 or a 12.

      Are we still talking about tablets?

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    7. Re:Bring the 10 Back by Xciton · · Score: 1

      Then you have something wrong with your 2012 Nexus 7. Mine (WiFi model) takes I'd guess less than 4 hours to change, and can last days and days. More than a week sitting idle.

      Make sure you're using the included high capacity charger, otherwise it will take a day to change.

    8. Re:Bring the 10 Back by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I and 10000 other people. Yes something is wrong with it, it's a flaky hardware or software design.

      The solution has been attributed to everything from cache wipes, to replacing the USB cable. Heck if you search ebay for Nexus 7 charger you get replacement USB cables advertising that they fix the problem.

      I think all Google customer service employees should be shot with a bucket of their own shit and then the company should start customer service from scratch. It's one thing to offer a free service and then ignore all complaints, it's quite another to create and brand a product, provide the software of the OS, sell it to customers and then ignore them.

      My Nexus 7 used to take less than 4 hours to charge too.

    9. Re:Bring the 10 Back by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Cache wipe, replacement charger, replacement cable, I think at one point the solution was to sacrifice a goat during full moon as well.

      Unfortunately there's been no root cause identified, and there are many different fixes that various people have said works.

  17. Is that a Nexus 6 in your pocket..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....or are you just happy to see me? ;)

    1. Re:Is that a Nexus 6 in your pocket..... by rasmusbr · · Score: 1

      I'm planning on making rubberized case with a handle that turns you phablet into a ping-pong paddle. It'll come with an app that tracks your movements and the movements of the ball using the sensors and camera on the phone, in order to give you advice on how to improve your game.

      Wait, does Kickstarter accept obviously sarcastic submissions?

  18. awesome by slashdice · · Score: 2

    This may be the only time android users can experience a 69! Well, outside a LUG, that is.

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  19. Beware by chinton · · Score: 1

    Stay away from the Nexus 6 -- its a killer.

  20. Wireless charging gone? by ukoda · · Score: 1

    Did I miss-read the specs? I don't see wireless charging on the Nexus 6. It was one of the best features of the Nexus 4 and 5. Well I guess I will save money by skipping this one.

    1. Re:Wireless charging gone? by jigamo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Google's page for the Nexus 6 doesn't list charging info, but it's really sparse with the spec information. Motorola's page has a lot more details, which include under the Battery information, "Qi Wireless charging support."

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    2. Re:Wireless charging gone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has wireless charging according to the full spec page.

      https://sites.google.com/a/pressatgoogle.com/android-10-15/nexus6

  21. Too big by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what's the phone to own for people without Chewbacca sized hands and an orbital defense laser to obliterate incoming debris attracted by this thing's gravitational pull?

    I just want a well rounded device without much bloat (or hardware deficiencies) that's going to last me ~two years. (And the OnePlus One can piss off because I don't have friends in high places)

  22. HTC by gatzke · · Score: 1, Insightful

    HTC made some great stuff. Many times in the last weeks I have been asked how I like my new iPhone. I have a two-year old HTC One (m7).

    But my old phone still has higher resolution than the brand new 6, higher DPI, more RAM, and working NFC. I assume the HTC One m8 is even better now, with a new version coming out soon.

    I hope the 9 is great and gets HTC running full steam again.

    1. Re:HTC by sttlmark · · Score: 1

      Sure, HTC makes nice, shiny devices, but their support for anything more than 1 year old absolutely sucks. Hopefully this behavior won't be repeated for their Nexus devices since it's Google who's driving software updates, not HTC.

    2. Re:HTC by gatzke · · Score: 1

      I will admit I hate that so much cruft is installed by default. They have this "Blink feed" crap that takes up a whole panel and there is no way to remove it. Not cool.

      Then Verizon force-installs a bunch of crapware too. I don't want to spend time rooting my phone to purge that crap. Forced software installs are my only complaint on this phone...

    3. Re:HTC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sweet. Must be great with all those Android updates too.

      Oh, they don't publish any? Gee, that sucks.

    4. Re:HTC by Shados · · Score: 1

      As you said, Google supports these. Which means the "SLA" is minimum 18 months from release, so you reasonably will have the "latest and greatest" for about 2 years, considering at what pace updates come out. Generally they keep doing minor releases a bit after that too, its just you're not guaranteed the next major Android version, though Cyanogen and whatsnot tend to support nexus devices pretty well afterward.

      Its not as long as I'd like it to be, but at least there's no surprise with Nexus.

    5. Re:HTC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You've been able to disable Blinkfeed for a long time now. Verizon is another issue altogether though (outside of iPhones).

    6. Re:HTC by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      I greatly enjoy my (m8) that I got this past spring. The phone is very responsive, makes my 2-year old Asus TF700T tablet feel like a slug (even though both are quad-core and the speed on the HTC is not that much more).

      BlinkFeed thing is eh... doesn't bother me and sometimes I use it to pass the time, but I wouldn't miss it either.

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    7. Re:HTC by YoopDaDum · · Score: 1

      They've been sloppy with updates a few years back at their peak of popularity. I guess they had became complacent then. With their recent challenges it seems they have understood the importance of keeping your customers happy, and hence loyal long term, instead of pressuring them to update faster by not supporting old models and just succeeding in annoying people. It's long term vs. hypothetical short term gain. I'm glad they've taken the long view in the end.

      Now I find they take updates of "old" phones seriously at least for their flagships (can't tell for the others). I have the first One (M7), it's about 18 months old now and I have Android 4.4.3 with Sense 6 on it, just as the latest One M8. I had a handful of updates since I bought the phone, tracking Google new versions closely. HTC announced Lollipop will be supported on the M7 too. Typically all the big updates are made available within 3 months or so of Google release. If they keep it like this (nice phones with updates), I'll probably stick with them when replacement time come.

      One important point: I have an unlocked phone, bought without contract and independently from my operator. Updates may not be as fast when the phone is bought with a contract through an operator, but then the issue would be the operator not HTC.

  23. Re:The Feminist Plague. by Famak1994 · · Score: 0

    oh crap, I posted this in the wrong forum...I have too many tabs of slashdot open. My bad!

  24. No wireless charging built in? by Higaran · · Score: 1

    Thank you very much, I'll keep my Nexus 5.

    1. Re:No wireless charging built in? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes the Nexus 6 has wireless charging built in and is water resistant.

    2. Re:No wireless charging built in? by jigamo · · Score: 2

      This is correct. You can see for yourself on Motorola's site that it comes with "Qi Wireless charging support."

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    3. Re:No wireless charging built in? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have no idea why the default Nexus 6 page doesn't list the full spec. But there is wireless charging according to this page.

      https://sites.google.com/a/pressatgoogle.com/android-10-15/nexus6

    4. Re:No wireless charging built in? by Higaran · · Score: 1

      That's weird that it doesn't show that spec on googles website, that's where I was looking.

  25. And they'll be running Android Lollipop by garryknight · · Score: 0

    According to what I read at BBC News, engineering chief, Hiroshi Lockheimer said, "We've made a concerted effort around focusing on the enterprise-use case. If you think about it most people only carry one device. The one device that they carry [should] work for various scenarios in their life -obviously for personal use, but also if they want to use it for corporate purposes." That must be why they named it Lollipop...

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    1. Re:And they'll be running Android Lollipop by RivenAleem · · Score: 2

      They named it lollipop because it will come with the next evolution in biometric unlocking, tongue-print to unlock. I'm coining the phrase "Unlicking my phone" right now.

  26. Re:The Feminist Plague. by Jae686 · · Score: 1

    I admit I was getting scared while reading it, since the work "feminism" is everywhere on the internet (c)

  27. $649 for that? by jopet · · Score: 1

    Google decided to compete with Apple for the stupid people it seems.

  28. OnePlus One by __aardcx5948 · · Score: 1

    I just got a OPO and this Nexus 6 does look awesome. No idea how I'll get it in EU though, so there's that.

    But better hardware, probably a better camera (does the OPO have OIS?), Android L. Mm.

    Also, less buggy touchscreen (looking at you Cyanogenmod/HW manufacturer)

  29. The Nexus 9 is a major disappointment by stoploss · · Score: 1

    I was eagerly anticipating the Nexus 9. However, when I read the Google product page I was very disappointed.

    For $400, I expected it to have 3+ GB of RAM and more than 16 GB of storage. What kind of specs are those? Is this 2012? Hell, I would have been willing to pay even *more* for a Nexus 9 if it only had decent specs, but alas, that's not an option.

    Guess I will have to wait for a viable 64-bit Android tablet. Maybe next year.

  30. Re:The Feminist Plague. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This would be fucking stupid even if you posted it in the thread you had intended.

  31. What's my option now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have an aging Nexus 4. I was waiting for months for the Nexus 6, but there's no way I'm paying 650 dollars for a phone. What's my best option that has:

    - World phone (need to use it in China, Hong Kong, and USA)
    - Unlocked bootloader and will be supported by Cyanogenmod for at least two years (and can be rooted easily, preferably as easy as Nexus devices)
    - Good specs, and especially good battery life
    - Good design and durability (doesn't look cheap or break easily)
    - Under $500, and needs to be purchased without a contract because of the traveling

    Should I get the Nexus 5? Or is there something else you can recommend that might fit better?

  32. Strangers with candy by Forever+Wondering · · Score: 1

    The problem with Android Lollipop [for developers] is [still] the "android fragmentation" problem, which Google is trying to address with its Android One program. Lollipop has 5000 new API's, but developers have to program to the lowest common denominator, which is probably pre-4.0.

    This is in contrast to Apple. Most devices get upgraded to the latest iOS in short order [3-6 mos]. IIRC, an author writing an iOS developers' book stripped all pre-iOS8 from it, because he felt that iOS8 was just so much better. Whether he's right or wrong doesn't matter as much as the fact that he can do it because of the iOS upgrade cycle. This makes iOS development much easier than Android development.

    The latest Linux runs quite well on older devices. So should Android. This is just like a PC game that, during install, speed tests the machine and backs off on things like resolution, anti-aliasing, etc. to make it run smoothly.

    Android One needs even more teeth:
    - Vendors _must_ upgrade old devices [even at a loss] unless they can prove [to Google] that it won't run due to memory, etc.
    - Vendors shouldn't force people to upgrade their device just to get the latest Android, just because the vendor wants to force this by refusing to upgrade Android on "last year's device".

    I have a Galaxy S3 and Samsung has upgraded it every six months. I really like the fact that they're not forcing me to upgrade the device just to get the latest/best Android OS. As as result, they've got my loyalty. When I do [eventually] upgrade my device [at a time of my choosing], Samsung's firmware upgrade policy will be a major factor in my staying with them.

    If Google can't get vendors to cooperate [even better] on this, it should offer backports of Lollipop [API's] to older versions via Google Play. This helps consumers with older devices, Android developers, Google, and even the [recalcitrant] vendors [even though they might vehemently disagree].

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  33. So who does? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why couldn't they have hit the sweet spot - 5", 1080p, and focused on camera quality & battery life?
    Google doesn't understand hardware.

    Hi Scott,

    This is somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but I just did a mental inventory of newly released phones meeting for your specs and am wondering whom, from all of the companies making cell phones, do you think understand hardware?

  34. Motorola vs Nokia / Google vs Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's amazing how companies can manage to survive when they are owned by Google

    Having been owned by huge giants does not automatically guarantees one's survival, and even if one still survives, it doesn't guarantee to have any future either
     
    Take a look at Nokia if you do not believe me
     
    Nokia is owned by the tech giant Microsoft, it is still surviving, but does it has any future??

  35. THANKS FOR EXPLAINING THE JOKE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I might have missed it.

  36. Too big by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am going to get the Galaxy Note 4 because it has almost as big a screen, but is significantly smaller in every dimension, especially thickness. Who still makes a phone that's over a centimeter thick?

    If it's a question of cost, they should just throw out the effort to make it affordable and make a true flagship model than can compete with the likes of HTC and Samsung.

    I sure would like Android 5.0 on my Galaxy Note 4 I'm getting tomorrow, but hey, I can wait.