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The Town That Banned Wi-Fi

An anonymous reader sends a story from The Guardian about Green Bank, West Virginia, a small town housing the National Radio Astronomy Observatory. There are other telescopes nearby, too. Because the telescopes are so sensitive, stray electromagnetic signals are strictly regulated in the surrounding area, which is called the National Radio Quiet Zone. But the town is running into a problem: its population was around 120 when this began, and by now about 40 people have moved there because they want to get away from radio waves and Wi-Fi signals and other types of electromagnetic radiation. There have been reports of tensions in the town: tales of threats and abuse unfitting to a sleepy mountain village. And it is all the stranger when you consider that no serious scientific study has been able to establish that electrosensitivity exists. ... Where the locals might have been happy to tolerate one or two of the sensitives, the mass migration was beyond the pale. ... People would walk towards [one woman] with concealed electronics, in an effort to provoke a reaction. A meeting she and her husband organised to help educate the others about electrosensitivity descended into a slanging match.

529 comments

  1. Sad, isn't it? by dtmos · · Score: 5, Funny

    A thunderstorm must torture these people terribly.

    1. Re:Sad, isn't it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Never mind that, just think of all the EM from the sun!

    2. Re:Sad, isn't it? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1, Troll

      . . . then you can imagine all the "fun" sadistic police would have with these folks and a Taser.

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    3. Re:Sad, isn't it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Dude, to any cop "Fun" and "Taser" are synonymous, with or without the batshit crazy.

    4. Re:Sad, isn't it? by gijoel · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, man, that's like, uh, organic EM field. Not any of this man made, GMO electromagnetism. You just wouldn't understand man, you're just, like, too far into Big Electro man.

    5. Re:Sad, isn't it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Never mind that, just think of all the EM from the sun!

      And Jupiter!

    6. Re: Sad, isn't it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's gluten free, man

    7. Re: Sad, isn't it? by Talderas · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's organic, non-GMO, gluten free, free range EM.

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    8. Re:Sad, isn't it? by TheEmpyrean · · Score: 1

      Hell, how about a radar gun, or even a blow dryer with a diffuser attachment.

    9. Re:Sad, isn't it? by Vihai · · Score: 2

      Or, better yet, a scary-looking antenna connected to a fake device with an on-off button

    10. Re:Sad, isn't it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      great idea for a movie!

      Big Electro Man vs. Giant Octopus

      Maybe he could shoot giant balls of electrons from his arm (kinda like mega-man)
      Maybe if he electrifies you and and a nearby stationary object, the repulsive effect could throw you down the block..

      this stuff practically writes itself!

    11. Re: Sad, isn't it? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3

      hey, I think it's great that these particular crazies have a town to move to. I mean, to voluntarily live under radio silence already takes a special kind of person. This seems like really good news.

      I'd love to see more towns concentrate all the gluten-free or GMO-free or nut-free or chemtrail-free or DHMO-free people. I suppose I should clarify 'tree nuts' to disambiguate word overloading on this story.

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    12. Re: Sad, isn't it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where can I buy this? I neeeeeeed some, this man made stuff is not healthy.

    13. Re: Sad, isn't it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DHMO-free people.

      My town is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to avoid the infestation of DHMO.

      You should be more sensitive.

    14. Re:Sad, isn't it? by kheldan · · Score: 2

      These people are likely experiencing anxiety from who know what or how many sources, and their poor caveman brains, unable to cope, looks for anything it can blame it on.

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    15. Re:Sad, isn't it? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Sponsored by GE and the NSA?

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    16. Re:Sad, isn't it? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      There's medication for that. E605 comes to mind.

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    17. Re:Sad, isn't it? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Jupiter and Venus are converging this month!

    18. Re: Sad, isn't it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      High voltage cables in power lines make my dogs irritated when the car passes beneath one in the highway. There must be some ultrasound associated with high voltage cable lines.

    19. Re: Sad, isn't it? by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      I'd love to see more towns concentrate

      I live in one of those towns. It's not officially a town, more like an extended community, they have a website and everything. I bought it for the cheap land. For as much as the people hate chemicals in their bodies, they do seem really like marijuana.

    20. Re:Sad, isn't it? by BlackPignouf · · Score: 1

      The thing is, they really get bad symptoms from all this anxiety. Call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
      It's like those people in Ukraine that lives relatively close to Chernobyl.
      Many think "Shitty life, too much radiation, we have no future". So they all drink, smoke, take weird drugs and live like there's no tomorrow.
      The radiation isn't high enough to have any direct impact on their body, but they're doomed to die young nonetheless.

    21. Re: Sad, isn't it? by loufoque · · Score: 1

      you mean they're building a dam?

    22. Re:Sad, isn't it? by meerling · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure the Japanese already did that back in the 50s. :P

    23. Re: Sad, isn't it? by meerling · · Score: 1

      So, they want to move their town to the Atacoma Desert?

    24. Re:Sad, isn't it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You talk like a cop.

    25. Re: Sad, isn't it? by mjrider · · Score: 1

      depending on the weather, i can hear the powerlines, they make a buzzing sound. Dogs have better ears so i assume they can hear them even better.

    26. Re: Sad, isn't it? by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      And this is one of the great things about our country and why things should be done on the local level more often instead of the federal.

      People that share this belief have a place to go and don't need to force that on everyone else.

    27. Re:Sad, isn't it? by zerosomething · · Score: 2

      Jupiter and Venus are converging this month!

      So that explains what's causing the the extra stress and aberrant behavior of the inhabitants.

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    28. Re: Sad, isn't it? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      The claim of being able to detect hidden electronics is extremely easy to test. Why haven't we run experiments on people who say they have this power?

    29. Re: Sad, isn't it? by publiclurker · · Score: 3, Informative

      they have. As far as I know, all of the results would be exactly as you would expect.

    30. Re: Sad, isn't it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Power lines make sound you deaf moron.

    31. Re: Sad, isn't it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey, I think it's great that these particular crazies have a town to move to. I mean, to voluntarily live under radio silence already takes a special kind of person. This seems like really good news.

      I'd love to see more towns concentrate all the gluten-free or GMO-free or nut-free or chemtrail-free or DHMO-free people. I suppose I should clarify 'tree nuts' to disambiguate word overloading on this story.

      my wife has celiac, and gluten-free is not a choice for her. dont be a douche bag...

    32. Re:Sad, isn't it? by Misagon · · Score: 1

      Because skin cancer is just a hoax perpetuated by the skin lotion industry.

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    33. Re:Sad, isn't it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never mind that, just think of all the EM from the sun!

      Not to mention all the lights inside buildings. If they really are sensitive to EM radiation, shouldn't these people be hiding out in (unlit) caves?

    34. Re: Sad, isn't it? by kuzb · · Score: 1

      It's not great for the non-crazy people who live there that understand the reason for the ban. The I feel badly for the scientists that now have to put up with a whole new brand of fucking idiot.

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    35. Re:Sad, isn't it? by OrangeTide · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure sunscreen causes cancer.

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    36. Re:Sad, isn't it? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Tell me about it. I feel it too. My body heats up and I get terribly warm when the sun comes out. I get some reprieve at night and can go back to wearing a jumper like I usually do, but all that EM radiation just causes me to heat up when the sunlight hits me.

    37. Re: Sad, isn't it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How's the aluminum foil hat working for you? Is it keeping the space aliens from fucking with your brain waves? I am talking about the ones from Roswell who are advising the US government at Area 51.

      I'm sorry I have to remain anonymous because if they knew that I know about them they would abduct me to study my incredible advanced intelligence in figuring out their plan.

      Good luck, counter-alien brother. We will stop those fuckers from dominating the world if we stick together and keep our a aluminum foil hats on straight.

    38. Re: Sad, isn't it? by gpronger · · Score: 1

      You're almost right.

      It is not 'keeping the aliens from fucking with your brain waves'.

      As we all know, they are much more intelligent than we, and they no longer copulate in the traditional sense. What they do, is they 'copulate with brain waves' (switched verbs for clarity of point). And when they do abduct you (given your incredible advanced intellect it's a given), you know what you're in for.

      And by the way, the reason foil hats work, is that as we all have probably noticed, someone wearing an aluminum foil hat, looks utterly ridiculous, which completely shoots the cross species sex appeal.

    39. Re: Sad, isn't it? by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      And more importantly the vegans!

    40. Re:Sad, isn't it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can they test if a Toshiba satellite is communicating with adapters disabled and airplane mode on...??? THAT would be useful! Or any other laptop brand or even motherboards, BIOSes, software bundles...

    41. Re: Sad, isn't it? by jwhitener · · Score: 1

      Is it also a heritage breed, woodland raised, and fed a vegan diet?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAlWrT5P2VI

    42. Re:Sad, isn't it? by nobodie · · Score: 1

      well actually I am kinda thinking this is,well not entirely true at least partly true. I worked out in the sun (farmer and construction) for 25 years and never used any skin protection. I also refuse to use it at the beach or outside playing soccer with my son, for example. I spend a lot of time outside still. Now I do wear clothes outside in the sun. No, seriously. I don't wear shorts, and I often wear long-sleeved shirts outside in the sun. Why???? Am I crazy???

      Year ago, I asked an old farmer (a real lifer) why he always wore long sleeved shirts and long pants. What he said changed my habits: he said it was cooler when you kept the sun off your skin. Think about it, as he said, the sun goes in deep and then you have to work to get rid of that heat, and that work makes more heat. Keep the sun off and you don't heat up as much or as fast. Also the yellow jackets can't get you as easy.

      Still today I wear long sleeves and pants, here in Florida people think I'm crazy, but I am cooler than they are . How much cooler? mostly I don't use AC in my house and easily move from inside to out because I'm not over-cooled and then over-heated. Yeah, I'm crazy.

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    43. Re:Sad, isn't it? by Meski · · Score: 1

      So we could block Wi-Fi with sunscreen?

  2. "Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by khchung · · Score: 4, Funny

    So, they have to hide from the Sun during the day like a vampire also?

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    1. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Many people are sensitive not to EM radiation, but to seeing antennas. A telco here first installs the antenna systems on their towers (this is easier to do when everything is off and there are no feedlines connected), then a month later or so a technical team installs and connects the actual comms equipment.

      Health complaints start instantly when the (still disconnected) antennas are installed. Furthermore, receive only systems give the same amount of complaints as systems with active transmitters. Systems with hidden antennas (on a roof for example) give almost no complaints.

      Dish antennas give disproportionately many complaints, even though they are very directional and thus should not leak radiation where it is not desired.

    2. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonanonaon · · Score: 1

      The Sun creates noise. Cells react to modulated frequencies.

    3. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

      Many people are sensitive not to EM radiation, but to seeing antennas.

      If that's the case they're pretty dumb for moving to a place full of radio telescopes. They must be really powerful if they can see for millions of miles, right? Just look how big they are!

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    4. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by gnasher719 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Many people are sensitive not to EM radiation, but to seeing antennas.

      More precisely: They are sensitive to believing that an antenna is working. There have been studies where people showed symptoms when a button was pressed and a red light went on to demonstrate that an antenna was transmitting, and the symptoms disappeared when the button was pressed again and the red light went off. (Nothing was transmitted at any time during the experiment).

    5. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by dargaud · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have a perfect example here at work. After we installed a Wifi relay in the lobby, the idi^H^Hperson manning the entrance started taking sick days after sick days, claiming the wifi was making her sick. Problem was, it wasn't activated yet (building installation wasn't finished), but since it was already powered, it was blinking. Then we activated it and placed a piece of black tape on the LEDs, told her 'Fine, we won't be using it then', and all was fine.

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    6. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by smallfries · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That is almost a well designed experiment. For counter-balancing it should randomise when something is being transmitted, and not, independently of the light. That would collect data on all four conditions.

      Sorry, I have to pick these things apart for a living and it gets difficult to stop sometimes.

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    7. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by oobayly · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was going to suggest that the more sensible option would be to get rid of the woman as she was faking sickness to get days off - especially if the "sickness" goes when the light is off - but then she would probably have sued because just because it's psychosomatic it doesn't mean she's actually sick.

    8. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Overzeetop · · Score: 5, Funny

      No shit. I went to a studio to record some stuff last week, and the microphone was so big I was worried my hearing was going to be damaged.

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    9. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [citation needed]

    10. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bb..b..but there's a delayed action and latent effect!

    11. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by MightyDrunken · · Score: 1

      The night is worse, have you seen how many radio sources are in the night sky?

    12. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by fnj · · Score: 4, Funny

      You have a LIVING HUMAN in reception in your company??? Answering the phone and greeting people who walk in?

    13. Re: "Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      That has already been done, using a setup with a blinking light and rf that is either on or off independently, and effect is completely correlated to the light and uncorrelated to the rf.

    14. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by bws111 · · Score: 2

      Bullshit. Woodstock, NY, about as liberal place as you will find in the US, has so many of these loonies that the town board is trying to ban smart meters.

    15. Re: "Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Maybe they should have put the black tape over her eyes.

    16. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by yndrd1984 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes. We're legally allowed to discriminate against dead people, at least for now.

    17. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always wondered about that one. I knew those things took time after going up to be powered on for whatever reasons. I can hear some EM signals, just a general light ringing in my ears that I've learned to live with (read as ignore). I sometimes stop and ask anyone nearby "do you hear that" but get back a "hear what?" response. What I hear in those cases are things cutting in and out, usually high power components like capacitors and transformers. Whenever I bring it up people treat me like I'm a conspiracy nut when it's not even my intention to tell people what they can and can't use, just curious if I'm the only one that hears it since the only people I met that claim to hear it as well are very obviously faking it.

    18. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There seem to be two types of such humans: security guards for the building, who are very underpaid and unlikely to take sick days, their companies can replace them quickly. And cheeful pretty women with curves, who are still effective first contacts for making people feel welcome. And if they're playing the "wahhh, I need sick days!!" card, they're related to someone on staff.

      My father taught me "make friends with these people", and I *always* make friends with them and the cleaning staff. They work there, they're often treated like furniture, and they know material that the board and HR keep behind very poorly managed masks of confidentiality.

    19. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was going to suggest that the more sensible option would be to get rid of the woman as she was faking sickness to get days off - especially if the "sickness" goes when the light is off - but then she would probably have sued because just because it's psychosomatic it doesn't mean she's actually sick.

      A psychosomatic reaction _would_ mean she was sick. Symptoms such as inflammation, nausea, vomiting and diorreah can manifest due to purely psychosomatic causes.

      Just the same, people who believe this kind of nonsense still piss me off.

      Shoggoth.

      Posting anon due to mod points.

    20. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I always wondered about that one. I knew those things took time after going up to be powered on for whatever reasons. I can hear some EM signals, just a general light ringing in my ears that I've learned to live with (read as ignore). I sometimes stop and ask anyone nearby "do you hear that" but get back a "hear what?" response. What I hear in those cases are things cutting in and out, usually high power components like capacitors and transformers. Whenever I bring it up people treat me like I'm a conspiracy nut when it's not even my intention to tell people what they can and can't use, just curious if I'm the only one that hears it since the only people I met that claim to hear it as well are very obviously faking it.

      I too can hear inductors (or at least I could when I was younger) and I got the same reaction: "hear what?"

      Just wait until you get older: the ringing in your ears will become a 24x7 thing, not due to anything actually making a sound but your body starting to wear out (most likely due to blood pressure).

      Shoggoth. (anon. due to mod points)

    21. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by bws111 · · Score: 4, Informative

      That is not 'hearing' EM, that is just hearing vibrating components.

    22. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least banning the smart meters would reduce interference on the 900 Mhz spectrum there, which is the only class-licensed frequency that gets through those dense woods.

    23. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was going to suggest that the more sensible option would be to get rid of the woman as she was faking sickness to get days off - especially if the "sickness" goes when the light is off - but then she would probably have sued because just because it's psychosomatic it doesn't mean she's actually sick.

      It's not our fault she is fucking crazy

    24. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Cells react to modulated frequencies. "

      That's not actually totally wrong. Although cells do react to noise also, you get a tan, and sunburns, and cancer. At least suns radiation has way way more energy than anything these people encounter on daily basis, modulated or not. The fact is there is most likely upwards of 1 million dollars of money available to anyone who can actually sense if a cellphone (or equivivalent equipment) is on or not. Many places are offering rewards for such things. Haven't heard of any takers.

    25. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

      Necrophobe!

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    26. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by NotDrWho · · Score: 2

      If that's the case they're pretty dumb for moving to a place full of radio telescopes.

      Instead, they should do what crazies have done for generations--move to Alaska.

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    27. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Every time I encounter this particular "illness" other than in, "Better Call Saul," the victim is female. Does anyone know if this is more common among females (like schizophrenia)?

    28. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [citation needed]

      Actually, do you have a link to the studies?

    29. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by cdrudge · · Score: 2

      Generally I would agree with you WRT wifi-induced illnesses. However just because something is psychosomatic doesn't mean a person is not sick. Talk with someone with a severe anxiety disorder, or PTSD. They aren't sick with a virus or an infection. There isn't any diseased or tissue physically traumatized. But they can definitely be "sick" due to their condition. I'm married to such a person that on bad days when they are triggered, such a sickness is extremely debilitating.

    30. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I said "Furthermore, receive only systems give the same amount of complaints as systems with active transmitters."
      So in the context of the conversation, Hognoxious' reply makes total sense (even if they didn't quote what they should have).

    31. Re: "Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have they tried George Aldrich, he may be able to smell if a cell phone is on:

      Aldrich is a chemical specialist or âoechief snifferâ at the White Sands Test Facilityâ(TM)s Molecular Desorption and Analysis Laboratory in New Mexico. His job is to smell items before they can be flown in the space shuttle

      http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/shuttle/support/people/galdrich.html.

    32. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Cells react to [the sun].

      [citation needed]

      Citation provided.

      (Yes I am just trying to be funny. Yes I know that I prolly failed.)

    33. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, you sound like you don't even understand the words you're writing. Do you know what modulation is?

    34. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by AdamHaun · · Score: 2

      You might be hearing coil noise. Perhaps you're better at hearing higher frequencies than other people.

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    35. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by emacs_abuser · · Score: 1

        I sometimes stop and ask anyone nearby "do you hear that" but get back a "hear what?"

      What you have is called tinnitus. Look it up and stop believing in magic.

    36. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bonobos insisted on better working conditions.

      captcha: person

    37. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Minwee · · Score: 1

      There have been studies where people showed symptoms when a button was pressed and a red light went on to demonstrate that an antenna was transmitting, and the symptoms disappeared when the button was pressed again and the red light went off.

      So you have proven through scientific study that some people are allergic to the colour red. Where's the problem there?

    38. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by jsrjsr · · Score: 1

      Hmmm... I tried listening to some pure tones from my PC one time. I could not hear the higher notes, so I turned them up. The young guy in the next office said "WTH ARE YOU DOING!!!!"

    39. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Lifeist!

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    40. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1, tinnitus sufferer.

    41. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 1

      Now wait, maybe she has blinking LED sensitivity? That's a serious issue, especially when you have nothing to do all day but stare at blinking LEDs.

    42. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      True, but there's a bit of a difference. Someone with PTSD could very well have that disease (which is a mental illness) due to traumatic experiences, such as being in combat. You can't just wish that away, at least until they develop memory-erasing technology like in the movie "Paycheck". Similarly, someone with severe anxiety disorder may have that problem because of (or have it greatly exacerbated by) various life experiences, too much stress, etc. Not everyone is rich enough to just go take a nice, long vacation and relax.

      Someone who gets sick because of WiFi (even when the WiFi device is turned off and they don't realize this) is doing it to themselves; it hasn't been done to them. It's another version of hypochondria, and a lot like religion. With people with PTSD or anxiety disorder, there's things you can do to help them: give them counseling to help deal with their traumatic memories, do things to make their lives easier so they can de-stress, etc. There's nothing you can do for one of these wifi-hypochondriacs, because it's all based on their irrational belief about EM fields, which you can't change using logic and reason; similarly there's nothing you can do for someone who believes the earth is 6000 years old, or they're infested with Body Thetans or demons, because these beliefs can't be changed with logic and reason, they're completely irrational.

    43. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      Systems with hidden antennas (on a roof for example) give almost no complaints.

      That must be the source of the selection pressure that is causing cell towers to evolve into pseudo-trees.

      (One day I hope to come across one while it is bearing fruit -- I assume that is how new cell phone varieties are cultivated)

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    44. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Nkwe · · Score: 2

      There seem to be two types of such humans: security guards for the building, who are very underpaid and unlikely to take sick days, their companies can replace them quickly. And cheeful pretty women with curves, who are still effective first contacts for making people feel welcome.

      [...]

      My father taught me "make friends with these people", and I *always* make friends with them and the cleaning staff. They work there, they're often treated like furniture, and they know material that the board and HR keep behind very poorly managed masks of confidentiality.

      These people also typically have unbelievable levels of security accesse. They can be powerful allies.

    45. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      So, they have to hide from the Sun during the day like a vampire also?

      I expect their tinfoil hats work as sunshades quite well.

      After all, how many conspiracy theorists have a glowing tan?

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    46. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonanonaon · · Score: 1

      Um, you're determining my level of definition knowledge based on two short declarative sentences which don't break any grammar rules?

      Thanks, Kreskin. I'll take that on advisement.

    47. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonanonaon · · Score: 1

      [citation needed]

      Yes it is.

      I recommend if you actually want to know that you go find one. There is a mountain of excellent information available on Google or through your library system.

      But I refuse to enable your learning disability by playing the dance you want to dance.

      The last move of the denial dance is people essentially closing their eyes and ears, "I won't read that because (insert childish reasoning here)" and not answering any more posts.

      If you wanted to know, you'd already know. If you're ignorant, then you don't want to know, and typing "[citation needed]" is just the mechanical way you've learned which allows you to avoid knowledge while pretending to yourself that you're the intelligent one.

    48. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by phoenix_rizzen · · Score: 2

      Follow-up studies are needed to see if the colour of the LED makes a difference. Try with green (usually used to show "traffic"), orange (sometimes used to show "traffic", or "link speed"), and blue (annoyingly used on things that need to be on in the dark). Maybe to really mix things up, throw in some purple or yellow or white as well. :)

    49. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by bws111 · · Score: 1

      Their objections never once mention privacy or anything like that. Their objections are solely based on the 'proven health problems' caused by smart meters.

    50. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3

      If that's the case they're pretty dumb for moving to a place full of radio telescopes.

      Instead, they should do what crazies have done for generations--move to Alaska.

      To be fair, Alaska is amazing. You can see Russia from there!

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    51. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but I think it's comparable to any other unexplainable phobia. Some people are very much afraid of snakes, and even a picture of a snake will make them feel very uneasy. If somebody has huge phobia of snakes, it would probably be insensitive to put a giant photo of a snake in their field of view at work or throw a rubber snake on their desk. In the same way, these people are afraid of radio devices. There is no reasoning with them to make the bad feelings go away.

      There's a woman in my wife's office who tells my wife that she's not allowed to have her phone out on the table during meetings because she is sensitive to the cellular signals. It doesn't matter that putting it away in your pocket doesn't change the amount of electromagnetic radiation in the room. It's also OK that there's a WiFi router in the room, because it's out of sight. Just because it's an unwarranted fear doesn't mean it's not real.

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    52. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I don't care if the fear is real, it's based on stupidity and shouldn't be catered to.

      There's no reason to have rubber snakes in a workplace, but using cellphones and wifi routers is basically mandatory these days, and is based on sound reasons. If someone has a problem with that, they should be fired.

    53. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by cusco · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily. I used to hear the hum of florescent light ballasts, which pretty much no one else I worked with could. A squealing fan belt or worn brake pads were physically painful to be near. As I've lost hearing over the years (hereditary factors) those particular annoyances have gone away, but on the down side I can't hear crickets any more or the wind in the trees.

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    54. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Guy+Harris · · Score: 2

      Now wait, maybe she has blinking LED sensitivity? That's a serious issue, especially when you have nothing to do all day but stare at blinking LEDs.

      Remember, when a blinking LED is on, it's transmitting electromagnetic radiation....

    55. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      You can have a vulnerability to blinking LEDs being a 'trigger' event for you, and then mandate no blinking LEDs around you. The whole 'trigger' deal is flexible and thus a popular syndrome to suffer from.

    56. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by cellocgw · · Score: 1

      Hah. Just wait 'til someone tells them those radio sources are in the day sky but invisible . You know, invisible just like radiation!

      So... if sunlight's bad for vampires, but the moon isn't, even tho' the moon is lit primarily w/ sunlight, does this mean vampires could live happily in houses where all sunliight is reflected once before entering the house?

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    57. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People just like to complain.

      I have a family member that specializes in electrical systems for airports and is fairly involved with many new airports all over the US.

      Spoke about more than one instance where the FAA received massive noise complaints.. Months before any plane ever took off or touched down on a runway.

    58. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by towermac · · Score: 1

      Dammit, we had an unbroken thread running down the stupid people. And now you go and point out a plausible explanation.

      How am I supposed to pretend to know everything if you bring your open mind to the forum?

    59. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Stavr0 · · Score: 2

      Radiotelescopes do not work that way!!! Good Night!!!

    60. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by chilenexus · · Score: 1

      Oh, cut the bleeding heart crap, will ya? We've all got our switches, lights, and knobs to deal with, Striker. I mean, down here there are literally hundreds and thousands of blinking, beeping, and flashing lights. Blinking and beeping and flashing - they're *flashing* and they're *beeping*. I can't stand it anymore! They're *blinking* and *beeping* and *flashing*! Why doesn't somebody pull the plug?

      - Buck Murdock

    61. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by chilenexus · · Score: 1

      Time to call residual human resources.

    62. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by srmalloy · · Score: 1

      It's rare for me to encounter them any more with the progress of technology, but I can hear the whine from the flyback transformer in a CRT display, more strongly if it's badly adjusted or starting to go bad. It made the terminal rooms at college annoying because of the constant background whine.

    63. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      The treatment for phobia is exposure therapy. If anything the current societal strategy of sheltering people is making mentally ill people with phobias worse.

    64. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      On average, research has shown that women are more likely to believe in things without evidence: religion, fortune tellers, superstitions, the inner goodness of their family members. There's no real evidence about whether it's genetic or the product of their upbringing.

    65. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Easily detected with proper longitudinal analysis.

    66. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      You cannot hear EM signals. You may be able to some high frequency sounds from poorly made electronics that most older people can't anymore. On the other hand, you may have tinnitus.

    67. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Do they like rock and roll or classical better? Porn or reruns of I Love Lucy?

      Cells may respond to particular frequencies more than others. They don't give a shit if it's modulated or not.

    68. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by meerling · · Score: 1

      Those that have a phobia but understand it's all in their mind are one thing, those that have a self induced "illness" based on belief is something different.
      Trying to avoid something you are afraid of can be problematic, but is often accepted on some level by society.
      Trying to ban or otherwise make others not use something you are afraid of is a very different situation, and that's where the problem lays. The technophobic, that includes EMF sufferers, are afraid of technology, or some aspect of it, and want other people to stop using it. That's not only unreasonable, but it's not going to happen.
      We make fun of them, not because they have a psychosomatic issue and acknowledge that, but rather because they believe it's a physiological condition and want us to bend over backwards and change the world for their psychosomatic issue. It's would be no different if someone was to complain that they were allergic to faires and that the faires are invisible and attracted to flowers so you must ban flowers. Worse yet, they are in a florists shop when they make their claims. Yeah, not going to happen, and laughter will probably ensue.
      Those people need help, psychological help and maybe a good dose of science to go along with it, but they don't want help that would improve their condition, instead they want the world to bend to their imaginary whims. Again, it's not going to happen.

      I've a few friends who are deathly afraid of spiders. Real problem, but they never tried to force anyone to get rid of their spiders, neither the pets nor the wild ones. They knew the problem was in their own mind. One of them got counseling. Now, years later, he's still rather creeped out by spiders, but he doesn't run from the room screaming if he spots one anymore. Also, he can carry/hold a spider cage if asked, but he sure won't volunteer. I'm proud of his progress, but he only got better because he recognized it was all in his head, and got appropriate help.

    69. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by meerling · · Score: 1

      Very very true. In my case, I never sought them out for those reasons, rather I was taught to try and be nice and civil to everyone, at least until they earned a demotion for their own words/actions. End result, I'm lousy at office politics, but I get treated great by the ones lower on the totem pole. This was true even in the military.

    70. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by ahodgson · · Score: 1

      Vancouver's full of them, too. And the Gulf islands. And they're about as "liberal", as in loony-leftie, as it gets.

    71. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by omnichad · · Score: 2

      The area of the planet where you can actually see EMF?

    72. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by meerling · · Score: 1

      There are a lot of those anymore, but if you don't have sufficient education in certain fields, it will read like a Chinese newspaper to blind man that only speaks Icelandic. If you hit some of the sites that aggregate or otherwise report on science topics at a level you are comfortable with, just search their archives for EMF Allergy and I'm sure you'll find some articles that are readable. Sorry I'm not linking to any in particular, but I know which sites you have access to, or what you've trained it. Also, please try to stay to reputable science sites, there's a boatload of new age baloney sites out there constantly screaming rhetoric and nonsense.

    73. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by meerling · · Score: 1

      There is also a high pitched whine some electronic components give off. More than a few techies can hear it. Often the components only give off that noise when they are nearing failure. Of course, you could have tinnitus instead, so you should probably bring it up with your doctor.
      Here's a small test on hearing range for you, search for and listen to the mosquito ringtone. There are a lot of teenagers who think no adults over 30 can hear it.

    74. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was once warned by the cleaning guy that I, and 4 other people in my department, would be fired on a certain date, which was almost 3 months in the future. So, I started shopping around and managed to get some good leads going. A while later was packing up for the weekend, when my boss walks over and says, "We need to talk." The story he told me was that 3 of the higher ups had been talking the day before and decided that my department needed to downsize. It didn't click until I got home (as I was somewhat rushed to get all my things) that it was exactly 2 weeks before the date the cleaning guy told me. Yeah, decided the day before my ass.

    75. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, you're determining my level of definition knowledge based on two short declarative sentences which don't break any grammar rules?

      Thanks, Kreskin. I'll take that on advisement.

      Well, you may take that UNDER advisement. (Hey, you brought up grammar.) ;-)

    76. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hah. Just wait 'til someone tells them those radio sources are in the day sky but invisible . You know, invisible just like radiation!

      So... if sunlight's bad for vampires, but the moon isn't, even tho' the moon is lit primarily w/ sunlight, does this mean vampires could live happily in houses where all sunliight is reflected once before entering the house?

      Vampires are affected by UV, not visible light.

      Borrowed from Coolsciencedad:
      The amount of light reflected off the surface of the Moon and received by Earth is MUCH, MUCH less than received directly from the Sun. The reflected light from the Moon is 500,000 LESS intense than light directly from the Sun. In addition, the Moon does not reflect UV light as well as visible light, so the amount of UV light reflected off the lunar surface is even less. There just isn't enough UV light reaching Earth's surface from the Moon to produce a moonburn.

      Also, IANAV.

    77. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah! Some of the best people I know are dead!

    78. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by WheezyJoe · · Score: 1

      "We do your laundry, cook your food,
      and serve you dinner.
      We guard you while you sleep.
      We drive your ambulances.
      Do not fuck with us."
        --Tyler Durden, Fight Club

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    79. Re: "Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a moron, I hope you die under a mountain of rubber snakes.

    80. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Health complaints start instantly when the (still disconnected) antennas are installed.

      OK, then, so perhaps the health problems are not solely based on what is being transmitted using that antenna.

      The antenna could be picking up existing signals that are a multiple length of the antenna and reflecting them back out as a modified signal, all without any equipment attached to that antenna. ^_^

    81. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      At least she thinks she's human. The workers almost blew it when they powered up the Wi-Fi router -- it's a good thing they covered the LED before they hooked it up to the network, so her failsafes could kick in.

    82. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Whenever I bring it up people treat me like I'm a conspiracy nut when it's not even my intention to tell people what they can and can't use, just curious if I'm the only one that hears it since the only people I met that claim to hear it as well are very obviously faking it.

      You are hearing magnetostriction, and you ARE a nut if you think you're the only person who can hear it, and dismiss people who claim to hear the same thing as "faking."

      You probably also have tinnitus. I do too, so I know what it's like to hear ringing all the time, and I can tell the difference between electronics and what's going on inside my head.

    83. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by suutar · · Score: 1

      yes, as long as the mirrors aren't backed with silver.

    84. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Likely he is talking about high frequency transformers such as the flyback transformers in old tube tv/monitors. They make a high pitched noise when turned on, but not everyone can hear into that range.

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    85. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typically that sort of psychosomatic issue is actually a form of OCD (which is itself an anxiety disorder, and not just the Hollywood obsessive-compulsive touching/neatness/etc.). It can be treated, in varying ways, depending on severity, but it does need to be properly diagnosed and such, first.

    86. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      One thing I've heard a lot about mental illnesses is that you can't treat them very well unless the person believes and understands they have a problem. Otherwise, counseling is completely ineffective, and medication doesn't work either unless you can somehow force-feed it to them on a regular schedule (something you can only really do if they're institutionalized).

      A frequently-cited problem with schizophrenics, for instance, is that they'll take some medication, feel much better, and then decide they're "better" and don't need medicine any more, and stop taking the medication, and then go back to nutty behavior.

    87. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by qeveren · · Score: 1

      Yeah, transformers often vibrate at 50/60Hz (transformer hum), and other components like switching power supplies will produce a high-pitched, 'pressure-like' tone due to the switching frequency. I remember being able to hear the flyback transformers in old CRTs before they went extinct (and my ears got old).

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    88. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WRT wifi-induced illnesses

      Well fuck, should I switch to Tomato??

    89. Re: "Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tomatoes are poisonous, so probably not.

    90. Re: "Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The power of the placebo effect in antidepressant trials doubled from 1980 to 2005. Not sure where it's at now. Also if you just tell someone they have been switched to placebo but keep giving them the antidepressant it will lose effectiveness. I don't feel like looking up sources right now, but if we accept those claims as true then it really looks like most of psychiatry has nothing to do with chemical imbalances. Then again I saw a paper that claimed they could only figure out what was actually in these placebos for 8% of the papers.

    91. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Durrik · · Score: 1
      This actually happened to my father when he was into HAM radio. It was back in the day when you assembled your own equipment. He put up the monopole antenna/tower first, and ran the coax back to the house. Industry Canada (or whatever it was called) came by about 2 weeks later with complaints about him causing people's TVs to go out and they had to inspect his equipment.

      They did so, found it only half assembled, and the coax from the Antenna sitting bare without even the connector put on it yet. The inspectors rolled their eyes and filed the complaint as groundless by NIMBY people and left.

      Its definitely the sight of the antennas that cause the bulk of the issue.

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    92. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no reason to have rubber snakes in a workplace

      Hey, if I want to decorate my cubicle with rubber snakes, that's my business and not yours.

    93. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I refuse to enable your learning disability by playing the dance you want to dance.

      The last move of the denial dance is people essentially closing their eyes and ears, "I won't read that because (insert childish reasoning here)" and not answering any more posts.

      And the first move of the bluff is to claim "Oh, yes, there is plenty of evidence out there (somewhere), but I'm just not going to show any of it to you". You would come across as far more credible if, rather than striking a defiant pose, you just provided a couple of citations. Sorry, but I'm going to call your bluff. It's time to put forward some evidence. Anything less than that is just adding white noise to the discussion.

    94. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect it is probably more of a "psychoceramic" illness.

    95. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      No, it's not transmitting electromagnetic radiation. Hold on, it is. No, it isn't. I can't figure this out.

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    96. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      In my not-very-successful attempt at grad school, I soon learned that the most fascinating person to talk to in the building was one of the janitors.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    97. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      You do realize that iPhones are GMO, don't you?

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    98. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I can hear high frequencies as well as I ever did. Cost me a fair amount of money for the hearing aids, but they work.

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    99. Re: "Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Thanks AC, that was an interesting little read.

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    100. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Old CRT TVs used to drive me freaking nuts with that.

    101. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But omg the HAARP skybusters are there!!11!1oneomgeleven!!1

    102. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonanonaon · · Score: 1

      Touché

    103. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      The Sun creates noise. Cells react to modulated frequencies.

      I'd love to look this one up, but I've no idea what to search for. I tried just googling what you wrote, and I found this:

      Nutjob article

      It's pretty great stuff - "THE HUMAN DNA IS A BIOLOGICAL INTERNET" - etc, but it doesn't seem to be related to the sun. It seems to be about the existence of telepathy, telekensis, and self-radiant balls of ionised gas that contain considerable amounts of energy and float around somewhere in Russia the entire time.

      So. Er. I guess, citation needed?

    104. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then we activated it and placed a piece of black tape on the LEDs,

      Yes black tape shields you from the EM forces.

    105. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by volmtech · · Score: 1

      I'm one of those who think the Earth is 6000 years old. It only looks 4 billion. Your mental well being depends on there being no God. I hate the "God wants me to run your life" types as much as you do. Maybe I would be happier without religion ( I don't actively do the church thing anymore) but once you believe something is true it becomes real.

    106. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On average, research has shown that women are more likely to believe in things without evidence: religion, fortune tellers, superstitions, the inner goodness of their family members. There's no real evidence about whether it's genetic or the product of their upbringing.

      Well, that makes sense, given that they spend their lives being told things to believe things without evidence - just look at any political debate around contraception, abortion, or wages.

    107. Re: "Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. What model AP?

  3. Quiet zones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A slight pedantic correction - there are actually other studies that have radio quite zones, for example

    http://www.ska.gov.au/Observatory/Pages/RadioQuietZone.aspx

  4. SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by lesincompetent · · Score: 1

    no serious scientific study has been able to establish that electrosensitivity exists
    How come nobody had the common courtesy of a "simple" double blind experiment?

    1. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by MPAB · · Score: 1

      Because mental disorders are taboo and nobody dares messing with those wackos.

    2. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonanonaon · · Score: 0

      no serious scientific study has been able to establish that electrosensitivity exists
      How come nobody had the common courtesy of a "simple" double blind experiment?

      It's ridiculous to think for even a second that this hasn't happened. Of course there are such studies.

      The two key words here are 'serious'. -A qualifier which isn't applied to any study which doesn't support the party line.

      -And specifying "electrosensitivity". -Which means tests demonstrating, (for one example), that the blood/brain barrier becomes permeable under exposure to certain low-power frequencies, regardless of its repeatability or implications, is not relevant if the study doesn't specifically look at somebody claiming "electrosensitivity".

      Basically, this whole attack is a crock, people being persecuted by science cultists (who don't actually respect science), going far out of their way to persecute people who are disrespectin' their cherished belief system.

    3. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just like the recent vaccine scare. It is hard to prove to people that something is indeed safe. One off comment that something is dangerious our a dangerious word is used to explain it is enough to turn off their brains and go into fear mode.

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    4. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There were such experiments and they didn't show existence of electrosensitivity (which means test subjects were not able to properly detect electromagnetic waves). But to show that electrosensiticity DOESN'T exists it would be probably reqired to test most of people who claim they are affected.

    5. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by MPAB · · Score: 4, Informative

      From TFA:

      “I encourage scientists to go to where we are and measure the environment,” she replied. “Don’t try to pretend that you’re God and expose us to different frequencies in a lab. That’s like taking someone and breaking their legs and asking how much it hurts.”
      “Conventional government-funded science isn’t a reliable indicator of health defects,” she told me. “There’s a vested interest in keeping the truth out of circulation. But the independent science isn’t sceptical about it at all.”
      And "Eventually I established that I was reacting to a buried cellphone tower. US Cellular was the brand – I didn’t react to AT&T, Spring or Cellular One towers.” She reeled off the names as if it would be the most normal thing in the world to have a brand-specific allergy."

      Many of them are not willing to take part on experiments. And if they do, they can always say science is flawed, the symptoms are frequency- or even brand-specific and if all else fails, you know: "It's a conspiration and I felt bad throughout the whole experiment because chemtrails."

    6. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      no serious scientific study has been able to establish that electrosensitivity exists

      How come nobody had the common courtesy of a "simple" double blind experiment?

      Because no matter how much you want to, poking these people's eyes out is against the law.

    7. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 5, Interesting

      no serious scientific study has been able to establish that electrosensitivity exists How come nobody had the common courtesy of a "simple" double blind experiment?

      It's ridiculous to think for even a second that this hasn't happened. Of course there are such studies.

      The two key words here are 'serious'. -A qualifier which isn't applied to any study which doesn't support the party line.

      No, it refers to controlled experiments run and managed in accordance with established best practice. On the other hand, you ARE guilty of dismissing studies based on conclusions, rather than methodology.

      -And specifying "electrosensitivity". -Which means tests demonstrating, (for one example), that the blood/brain barrier becomes permeable under exposure to certain low-power frequencies, regardless of its repeatability or implications, is not relevant if the study doesn't specifically look at somebody claiming "electrosensitivity".

      Some of the studies have focused on self-identified electrosensitives.

      Now let me talk about MY electro-sensitivity. There is a high-voltage power line that crosses the motorway on the route between my childhood home and where my grandparents used to live. When we went under it, I used to get a funny feeling in the top of my head -- every time, without fail. So someone if my family (I can't remember who) suggested that I shut my eyes and tell them when I felt it. For a year or two, I kept opening my eyes too early and seeing the powerlines before we went under them. So one year I got determined to do it properly. I closed my eyes as soon as we reached the first bend on the motorway and kept them shut for ten minutes or more. No sensation. Ever since then, I have felt nothing whatsoever when passing under the lines. I couldn't even make myself conjure up or relive the sensation.

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    8. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      no serious scientific study has been able to establish that electrosensitivity exists

      How come nobody had the common courtesy of a "simple" double blind experiment?

      Well I doubt that such an experiment would establish that electrosensitivity exists....

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    9. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Especially hard if you have experiments that prove that you CAN indeed manipulate the brain with elecromagnetic stimulation:

      http://www.heise.de/tr/artikel...
      http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com...

      So we're way past the "is there a measurable effect - yes or no" phase.

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    10. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by oobayly · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing it's the stickers or paint on the actual equipment causing the problems, seeing as it's all probably the same Ericsson or Huawei kit.

    11. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Vermifax · · Score: 4, Informative

      The thing is EMF strength falls off due to the inverse square law. The strength needed to actually impact the body is far greater than what is put off by cell phones and wifi.

      Standing in front of a Jet plane with its active radar on can render you sterile. A jet plane flying overhead with its radar on doesn't even give you goosebumps.

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    12. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Yes, but it's far far more difficult to find out the threshold on how radiated, how far away, how sensitive you have to be to become sterile, or to be completely safe, or to receive damage with which probability. 90%? 0.09%? What probability is considered safe, which one is measurable at all. What about long term effects?

      Would be much easier if you could start by showing that even high doses of EM radiation had no ill effects. But now quantitative studies have to be done. Even harder when 99% of those people feeling bad when seeing a cellphone tower are indeed... well.. just say: without organic diagnosis.

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    13. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Bigbutt · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's because by then, that part of your brain had already burned out.

      [John]

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    14. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the best laugh of the day!

    15. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 0

      The "inverse square law"refers to point sources. It's hardly universal in near field phenomena, such as the EM fields around a long power line (which falls off as as mainly an inverse law), or capacitive coupling to ground noise (which is pretty stable with modest distances near a large enough ground planes and signals with wavelengths considerably larger than the distance involved, *especially* 60 cycle noise!), And it's hardly true for notably quantized phenomena such as individual photons, or the most basic photoelectric effects or human vision wouldn't work by triggering electrochemical changes with individual photons.

      So please, before handwaving about inverse square laws do learn a bit more about how it actually plays out.

    16. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Those experiments have nothing to do with the energy levels we're discussing here. Experiments have been done which show that electrosensitivity to phone masts, power lines, mobile phones, microwave ovens, etc. simply does not exist.

    17. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A burried cell phone tower? How will that work?

    18. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There was one time when an electricity pylon was placed on pasture land that became water-logged at certain times of the year.

      Whenever this happened, the cattle in the pasture would end up standing side on to the pylon. Whenever they moved into a position where the were standing perpendicular to the pylon, they would give a small jump and then turn sideways.

      Standing sideways, meant that the resitance between the near-pylon side of the cow and the far-from-pylon side of the cow, was less than the resistance when the cows were standing head-on. The difference in resistances in conjunction with the eddy currents that were being caused by the pylon set in boggy pasture caused small electric shocks.

      Try repeating your experiment on days when there are different levels of humidity.

      The atmospheric charge that builds up before a thunderstorm also feels distinctive. Try storm-chasing. :D

    19. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      Exactly this. And just like with the anti-vaccine folks, if you debunk one claim "Electrosensitive" people make, they will deny your evidence to the contrary, claim it's part of a conspiracy, and/or give new reasons why EM Sensitivity exists/vaccines are bad. In the latter case, it becomes a game of whack-a-mole where NOT disproving their latest theory PROVES (to them) that they are correct. It doesn't matter if this is Theory #7,453 - you must prove it wrong or else they are right!

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    20. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by currently_awake · · Score: 2

      I think this is an excellent chance to study mental disorders. We should set up a village that is completely devoid of all EM radiation (no radio/cell/wifi/electricity) and encourage these "sensitives" to move there for the "pure" enviornment.

    21. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by EvilSS · · Score: 2

      A burried cell phone tower? How will that work?

      The molepeople need cell service too.

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    22. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Nope. We're looking for falsification.

      Those experiments only show that no subject sensitive to those low levels has been studied yet.

      Granted, it would be easier if you had not to test a bunch of wackos who CLAIM to be sensitive at those levels. And it would be a safe guess and you wouldn't even have to think of designing experiments to prove or disprove low level sensitivity if you could show that high energy levels don't have an effect either, but high levels have an effect.

      So we're in the scientific dead end of "we haven't found a pink unicorn/electrosensitive person yet, but have no proof that they don't exist"

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    23. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then we release the hounds, or killer bees on the unsuspecting populace???

    24. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by dave420 · · Score: 2

      The studies show that people who claim electromagnetic sensitivity don't have it. Until that changes, there is absolutely no reason to assume they actually have a real, non-psychosomatic illness.

    25. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      You missed the best quote:

      “See those?” he asked.

      “Aeroplane trails?”

      “Not contrails – chemtrails,” he said. “The government sprays the air – it gets in the atmosphere.” He paused and looked me in the eye. “The world needs to know what’s happening here.”

    26. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by hhas · · Score: 1

      Yup. The only experiment that needs to be performed is to discover what happens when you quietly tip a year's supply of anti-psychotics into their water supply. Medication is what's needed here, not Faraday cages. Fixed delusions suck.

    27. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except when people talk about electromagnetic sensitivity, they aren't talking static electricity. At least I've never seen anyone claim it so.

    28. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by rsclient · · Score: 1

      So, of that persons comments, the one about branded actually makes sense. Different companies actually do work on different frequencies (and there's a bunch of other differences; frequency is just part of it). Once we posit that some microwaves cause problems, it's very reasonable that different frequencies would cause more or fewer problems.

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    29. Re: SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately that is indeed what is required of researchers who choose to proceed by testing null hypotheses rather than making precise predictions of thier own. If your theory can't do better than predict a positive/negative relationship we cannot have confidence that it is the correct explanation, so we must rule out all others. Now in this case the mainstream theory does correspond to the null hypothesis (exactly zero effect exists), which is a superior situation.

    30. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by TheEmpyrean · · Score: 1

      Crab People

    31. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      No:
      It shows that all people who have been tested so far and claim to have electromagnetic sensitivity don't have it.

      Yes:
      There is no reason to assume they have a real illness

      But No again:
      That's no proof.

      That's scientifically rather unsatisfying.

      On the other hand, we have scientifically proven, that humans ARE sensitive to higher levels of EM fields. It's safe to assume that the threshold varies from person to person. It's also safe to assume, for 99% this threshold is orders of magnitudes away from the levels we receive from the nearest cellphone and wifi,

      But it doesn't answer the question about the lowest possible level that someone could be sensitive to!

      The psychosomatic electrosensitivity is not connected at all to the real effects. But it makes serious research about possible effects of low intensity exposition almost impossible as it will be inevitably get mixed up.

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    32. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So in other words, OP's statement about inverse square law was correct in this instance? Why the hate?

    33. Re: SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't the galaxy rotation anomaly that gravitational force appears to drop off at 1/R at large distances?

    34. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      such as the EM fields around a long power line (which falls off as as mainly an inverse law),

      I'm afraid the EM field strengh still falls off proportionally to the square of the distance, even for a long power line (or an antenna).

      It's true that the E-field strength falls off linearly with distance between two charged plates (e.g., in a capacitor), due to the geometry and the physics.

    35. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by myowntrueself · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Because mental disorders are taboo and nobody dares messing with those wackos.

      Also theres money to be made from delusional wackos, like the transgenders who'll pay for cosmetic surgery to help back up their delusion.

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    36. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well since you're in a "let's split irrelevant hairs" mood, you need to learn a bit more about some of these topics as well. Applying a not-too-fine comb, now.

      It's hardly universal in near field phenomena

      First, TFA (yeah, I can tell you didn't RTFA, but still, some of these things were quoted in the /. comments) was about things like turning off light bulbs and cellphones. Those are a lot closer to point-like sources than to near-field effects, so the inverse square law is a decent approximation; slightly less so for neon lights, but still nowhere near near-field (see what I did here?). Remember that inverse square law works for point-like sources, a.k.a. if the size of the source d is much smaller than the (average) distance R to it, so you can ignore the powers of (d/R) in the Taylor expansion of the intensity integral (a.k.a. multipole moments).

      capacitive coupling to ground noise (which is pretty stable with modest distances near a large enough ground planes and signals with wavelengths considerably larger than the distance involved, *especially* 60 cycle noise!)

      If 60Hz is a problem for your 'electro-sensitive' body you need to move off the planet - say hello to Schumann resonances. Besides, at those frequencies you'd be sensitive to your own brain's neural oscillations, so grab an alien's body too, while you're moving off-planet.
      But, technically, your example is indeed a near-field type of effect, so you're correct in a sense that's completely irrelevant to TFA. Congratulations!

      And it's hardly true for notably quantized phenomena such as individual photons

      And, for the grand finale, a spot of bad understanding of Physics. Say hello to elementary dual-slit interference patterns, now done with photon counting equipment. The 'executive summary' rule of thumb, if you don't want to go through the relevant Physics, is that the particle-like description of photons is relevant w.r.t. interactions, whereas propagation (which is what matters here for intensity calculations) is described by the wavefunction model. Which, you guessed it, obeys the inverse square law due to conservation of energy (or, if you like, conservation of number of photons). In short, you're mistaken, badly - and you don't really understand what the inverse square dependence means at quantum level.

    37. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, he's about right on these two counts (and not much else), at least inasmuch as the line/planes can be approximated as infinite. It's all about using an equivalent of Gauss's law for the energy flux. And btw, for the capacitor plates, you're thinking of voltage, not electric field - voltage drops linearly from the positive plate to the negative one, so E (its derivative) is constant.

    38. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by bws111 · · Score: 1

      You are certainly right about that. I recently witnessed such as exchange.

      Person 1: Smart-meters/Wifi, etc cause cancer! The proof is that the Soviets microwaved the US Embassy in Moscow for decades and some people got cancer.
      Person 2: A very large study examined that case, and found no negative health affects from it
      1: The US government manipulated the data! You can't trust them. And besides, the GAO issued a report that the FCC should lower exposure limits but the FCC won't do it because the head of the FCC was in the industry
      2: The GAO report actually states that there are no known problems with the levels of EMF from cell phones, etc, and asks the FCC to RAISE the limits
      1: The GAO is corrupt and you can't trust them! The MILITARY knows the truth because they did some experiments (links to some FOIA document)
      2: That only says that if you hit someone with microwave-oven levels of microwaves for several minutes you can give them fever-like symptoms, wifi and smart meters have energy levels millions of times lower
      1: You can't trust the military, they lied about the Gulf of Tonkin. And besides, power levels don't matter
      2: Power levels DO matter, you can't effect change without an input of energy
      1: There is NO SCIENCE proving that. And besides, these things use SWITCHING POWER SUPPLIES, and there was a cancer cluster in a high school where switching power supplies were found.
      2: Okayyyyy...

      http://www.dailyfreeman.com/op...

       

    39. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      “I encourage scientists to go to where we are and measure the environment,” she replied. “Don’t try to pretend that you’re God and expose us to different frequencies in a lab. That’s like taking someone and breaking their legs and asking how much it hurts.”

      I think I just.. brain dying... words...

    40. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm dealing with a good friend who's gone into the zone in the last couple of years.

      He's always on about secret gov't conspiracies - he's convinced he's going to be in a camp somewhere bc of his views, and so he tries to anonymize internet browsing activities. That dovetails into EMF paranoia - not only is the gov't snooping on his wifi (where I think the bulk of the activity is craigslist, ebay, and crackpot websites) but the EMF is ZOMG going to kill everything.

      And because he knows the truth about electrosensitivity and HAARP and chemtrails and vaccines and aspartame and flouride in water and (assorted other congeries of such ideas) he's convinced that he'll be taken and starved to death in a high-desert death camp.

      He wasn't always this way, but I think I know why he's where he is.
      - He's been economically marginalized as the small businesses (usually wineries and small breweries) he works for as a chemist have folded,
      - He is entirely behind the curve where technology is concerned (I set up his computers for him, and his router, which has wifi even though he doesn't know it).
      - He hasn't had reliable healthcare in over a decade (PPACA helped, thankfully, though he resents being forced to purchase insurance....)
      - He had melanoma (fortunately small and treatable but scary) which he wouldn't have survived without the healthcare he so resents (the treatment was like 5x his annual income, which is quite low).
      - he's losing his hearing, which he claims is the result of HAARP/electrosensitivity/chemtrails/secret gov't conspiracies/toxic poisoning/etc).

      He's also a great and generous human being with graduate-level degrees in chemistry.....I don't understand the transition but I've learned that even questioning his premises leads him into a screed against the sheep who don't agree with him, so I leave off by and large.

    41. Re: SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If they were able to escape the charge by turning perpendicular, that can only mean one thing...

      You must construct additional pylons.

    42. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by cusco · · Score: 1

      Just a bit of historical trivia, the reason the Soviets were microwaving the embassy was because they could eavesdrop on conversations in the room (to a certain extent) by Doppler readings of the vibrations of the single-pane windows.

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    43. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've had zero cosmetic surgery, but if you saw me, you'd think I was a "real" woman (whatever that means). As in, you'd hit on me, then piss your pants when you saw the M on my driver's license and blame your misconception that I was a "real" woman on me instead of your own stupidity. This even happens to me when I'm clearly dressed as a boy and making zero effort to "pass!" See also Pandora Boxx and Ru Paul, two cisgendered, heterosexual men who are famous for their drag performances. To the best of my knowledge, no surgery, no HRT. You've got me with Harisoo, but she was already in unicorn territory in the hot-crazy matrix before surgery just like yours truly.

      Also, unlike these EM wackos, there is emerging evidence that men and women are different. Let me clarify since I assume you already knew that, but were too stupid to think critically about it. Evidence is slow to come, but apparently the brain is a gendered organ. If you're going to tell me that intersexed people don't exist, and that a person's mental gender couldn't possibly not match their legal gender, and that gender is this holy immutable always-matching thing, you're just as wacko as an EM wacko.

      -- kurenai.tsubasa (why the fuck am I still coming here? don't worry, not clicking the SJW bait article about how American Women (AWs if you will) are too stupid to download a compiler after school, because EM wackos amuse me, while SJW/3rd wave feminist/gender lunatics make me want to puke)

    44. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then after a few years of living "EM free", tell them that you've actually been blasting them with every tv, radio, cell phone, and wifi signal known to man.

    45. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fuuuuuuu. My dental hygienist recently filled me in all all the details of the 'chemtrails'. She knowingly explained it all to me and I nodded and acted like she was giving me sage advice.

      I'm no retard - you don't piss off someone poking sharp things in your mouth by telling her she's a god damned idiot.

    46. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Never know what they're putting in our water supply. Water never used to do this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    47. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once we posit that some microwaves cause problems, it's very reasonable that different frequencies would cause more or fewer problems.

      No, honestly it's not. We're talking about such a tiny difference in frequency that it takes actually effort and specific circuits to separate them. I highly doubt her body has such complex structures imbedded in it.

    48. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Except that they were supposedly buried cell phone towers. This does not exist.

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    49. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're saying I can stand in front of a jet one time and never have kids *and* not to have to get a doctor to snip snip around my testicles? WHY DON'T MORE PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THIS?

    50. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by threecolorable · · Score: 1

      There have been double-blind studies of electrosensitivity ( here are a couple that I came across: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu... ).

      People tend to discount the seriousness and validity of studies that don't support their beliefs, though.

      And if you have beliefs like "government-funded science can't be trusted," "you have to come measure my environment instead of trying to isolate variables in a lab" or "I only react to cell towers for one specific carrier (so research about other cell transmissions must not be applicable)" it's easy to dismiss the validity of any studies that don't reinforce your convictions about electrosensitivity.

    51. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      I've had zero cosmetic surgery, but if you saw me, you'd think I was a "real" woman (whatever that means). As in, you'd hit on me, then piss your pants when you saw the M on my driver's license and blame your misconception that I was a "real" woman on me instead of your own stupidity. This even happens to me when I'm clearly dressed as a boy and making zero effort to "pass!" See also Pandora Boxx and Ru Paul, two cisgendered, heterosexual men who are famous for their drag performances. To the best of my knowledge, no surgery, no HRT. You've got me with Harisoo, but she was already in unicorn territory in the hot-crazy matrix before surgery just like yours truly.

      Also, unlike these EM wackos, there is emerging evidence that men and women are different. Let me clarify since I assume you already knew that, but were too stupid to think critically about it. Evidence is slow to come, but apparently the brain is a gendered organ. If you're going to tell me that intersexed people don't exist, and that a person's mental gender couldn't possibly not match their legal gender, and that gender is this holy immutable always-matching thing, you're just as wacko as an EM wacko.

      -- kurenai.tsubasa (why the fuck am I still coming here? don't worry, not clicking the SJW bait article about how American Women (AWs if you will) are too stupid to download a compiler after school, because EM wackos amuse me, while SJW/3rd wave feminist/gender lunatics make me want to puke)

      Still delusional. Your appearance doesn't change that.

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    52. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Spaham · · Score: 1

      wow, you made me want to read TFA !

    53. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I have a way of manipulating my brain with electromagnetic radiation. I take certain frequencies and reflect them off a surface that is partly reflective and partly absorbent, in detailed patterns. Then I keep switching out to a new surface. This has had some really good effects over time.

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    54. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      :-)

      Amazing how that works at such low energy. I could imagine that a simple LED creates enough radiation for that trick to work!

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    55. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Also theres money to be made from delusional wackos, like the transgenders who'll pay for cosmetic surgery to help back up their delusion.

      I'm not transgender, nor do I personally know any TG people so take my opinion with the grain of salt it deserves.

      My thinking is that someone opting for gender-reassignment surgery is quite committed to living their lives as the gender they feel they really are. It's not a fad or a phase: they've likely lived a good portion of their adult lives in this manner. I imagine they hold their new gender in the same esteem as non-TG people hold their from-birth gender. With this in mind, is 'delusional' really the right word for a person in this mindset?

      I can only imagine how horrible it might be to feel oneself to be in the wrong body. I'm a firm believer in Live And Let Live as a life philosophy and feel a little compassion might not go astray for an otherwise-normal person struggling with a serious personal situation. Labelling them as 'delusional' is about as fair as saying the same thing about homosexual people.

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    56. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Also theres money to be made from delusional wackos, like the transgenders who'll pay for cosmetic surgery to help back up their delusion.

      I'm not transgender, nor do I personally know any TG people so take my opinion with the grain of salt it deserves.

      My thinking is that someone opting for gender-reassignment surgery is quite committed to living their lives as the gender they feel they really are. It's not a fad or a phase: they've likely lived a good portion of their adult lives in this manner. I imagine they hold their new gender in the same esteem as non-TG people hold their from-birth gender. With this in mind, is 'delusional' really the right word for a person in this mindset?

      I can only imagine how horrible it might be to feel oneself to be in the wrong body. I'm a firm believer in Live And Let Live as a life philosophy and feel a little compassion might not go astray for an otherwise-normal person struggling with a serious personal situation. Labelling them as 'delusional' is about as fair as saying the same thing about homosexual people.

      Except most of them end up trying to revert and/or killing themselves.

      If I believed I was Napoleon do you think there'd be support for me getting cosmetic surgery to look more like the historical Napoleon or do you think people would call me delusional?

      If I believed I was a tall black man and got cosmetic surgery to make me look like a tall black man, do you think I'd be good at basketball?

      No.

      Homosexuals are generally different; a gay man typically doesn't have the delusion that they are a woman.

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    57. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Except most of them end up trying to revert and/or killing themselves.

      I wasn't aware of that, if it truly is the case then you certainly have a point.

      If I believed I was Napoleon do you think there'd be support for me getting cosmetic surgery to look more like the historical Napoleon or do you think people would call me delusional?

      I think this is unrelated. This example is obvious because that would be trying to change oneself to be another person which is a clear fiction; Napoleon is dead. It's harder to prove a person's internal feelings to be fiction.

      If I believed I was a tall black man and got cosmetic surgery to make me look like a tall black man, do you think I'd be good at basketball?

      This seems like a straw-man argument because unless I'm reading it wrong, you're 'mixing your metaphors'. I don't agree that tall black people do not necessarily make good basketballers. Unless I'm missing something obvious.

      Why would you think becoming a tall black man would make you anything other than just a tall black man? Unless you perhaps feel that tall black men are naturally better at basketball than tall white men, but that's another argument and tangential to our discussion here.

      Homosexuals are generally different; a gay man typically doesn't have the delusion that they are a woman.

      There you go again, this time mixing non-sequitur with circular logic.

      By your thinking I could just as easily claim that a gay man is under the delusion that he finds men attractive.

      I'm not trying to be obnoxious, I just think your arguments are unconvincing at best and if I were feeling unkind I'd call them specious.

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    58. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      The problem we are running into, what I'm calling a delusion, is caused not so much by the people who are going through that delusional process but by something in Western culture.

      Western culture has a very black and white view of things, theres an insistence on things being one or the other, nothing in between.

      So we have men growing up feeling not quite male yet not being female. They feel pressured by society into making a choice, that they have to throw themselves completely into trying to be male XOR female. They can't be allowed to be a bit of both.

      So they go into this delusional state where they acquire this earnest belief that, with cosmetic surgery and hormones they can somehow transform themselves into the other gender.

      There are other cultures which don't enforce this black or white approach to gender. Have a look at how things play out in these cultures for people growing up like this. It generally works out a lot better.

      In some ways race might be playing out the same way in Western culture, where people must be either black or white or hispanic or asian. Yet there are people growing up who feel neither or a bit of both. Can these people become 'transracial' and get cosmetic surgery to choose a race? Or would it be better for their mental health for them to be allowed to be in between?

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    59. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Now that was a coherent and well-argued reply, thank you. Damn I sound condescending but I don't intend to be, I appreciate your thoughtful response and also for taking my (hopefully constructive) criticism of your earlier points in the spirit it was intended.

      I think you've raised some interesting ideas and the research you suggest is probably a wise idea as I have no idea how foreign cultures feel about the topic.

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    60. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by hhas · · Score: 1

      Never know what they're putting in our water supply. Water never used to do this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Aerosolized unicorns, apparently.

    61. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      The difference in resistances in conjunction with the eddy currents that were being caused by the pylon set in boggy pasture caused small electric shocks.

      Do electrosensitives react differently to recieving electric shocks than other people? If not, induced electric shocks are irrelevant to the question at hand.

      The atmospheric charge that builds up before a thunderstorm also feels distinctive.

      The atmospheric conditions feel distinctive, but it's a stretch to state categorically that what you are feeling is the charge. What you're detecting could be the combination of fairly particular heat, humidity and air-pressure.

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    62. Re: SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to test against the null hypothesis; however, you should also have controls in place to eliminate other explanations. Most medical science does this - partly by matching demographics between experimental groups, partly by making it double-blind, and when possible, by having large numbers of people.

    63. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by ImprovOmega · · Score: 1

      I love the XKCD on that. Playing conspiracies off of each other. The steel melted in 9/11 because the chemtrail chemicals burn way hotter than just plain jet fuel!

    64. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by spitzak · · Score: 1

      There have been double-blind studies and they have shown it does *not* exist.

      The statement is that there have been no serious studies (including double-blind ones) that show it *does* exist.

    65. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      They feel pressured by society into making a choice, that they have to throw themselves completely into trying to be male XOR female. They can't be allowed to be a bit of both.

      Sure. There are people like that, and no-one rational should prevent them from living their lives as they see fit. If someone wants to be a little bit girl and a little bit boy, then more power to them.

      But that's not everyone is it? The fact is that there are people who feel trapped in the wrong-gendered body, and wish to change it. It's their body, and they should be free to modify it how they please. I don't believe that this is always the result of black-and-white girl-or-boy false dichotomies (if that's what they are, you get the idea). After all, gender modification is a serious undertaking, and takes years of surgery and medication. You're saying that everyone that undergoes that process is delusional, and should be happy with the bits that god gave them?

    66. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by myowntrueself · · Score: 2

      They feel pressured by society into making a choice, that they have to throw themselves completely into trying to be male XOR female. They can't be allowed to be a bit of both.

      Sure. There are people like that, and no-one rational should prevent them from living their lives as they see fit. If someone wants to be a little bit girl and a little bit boy, then more power to them.

      But that's not everyone is it? The fact is that there are people who feel trapped in the wrong-gendered body, and wish to change it. It's their body, and they should be free to modify it how they please. I don't believe that this is always the result of black-and-white girl-or-boy false dichotomies (if that's what they are, you get the idea). After all, gender modification is a serious undertaking, and takes years of surgery and medication. You're saying that everyone that undergoes that process is delusional, and should be happy with the bits that god gave them?

      But the truth is that they can't change it. There is no way to change their gender. What they are being offered is cosmetic surgery to give the *appearance* of the other gender.

      Cosmetic surgery cannot alter gender.

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    67. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      Well that's exactly it. Isn't the argument that a person may feel as though their brain is a particular gender, and that the physical characteristics of their body represent the opposite gender. I can imagine, being quite comfortable with my own gender, that this would be something of a nightmare.

      You're right, they cannot change their gender, for that is seated in their brain. And so they're changing their body, which certainly can be modified, to match.

      Why is this a bad thing, if we accept the initial argument?

    68. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by anyGould · · Score: 1

      And "Eventually I established that I was reacting to a buried cellphone tower.

      Wait. What?

      "Buried cellphone tower" - is that actually a thing? If so, why?

    69. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by anyGould · · Score: 1

      Yes:There is no reason to assume they have a real illness

      Strictly speaking, there's no reason to assume they have a physical illness. There's many reasons to suspect they have a mental illness - namely, a fear of technology. Of course, you can't crusade for people to change their lives to help you when the problem is You.

    70. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Well that's exactly it. Isn't the argument that a person may feel as though their brain is a particular gender, and that the physical characteristics of their body represent the opposite gender. I can imagine, being quite comfortable with my own gender, that this would be something of a nightmare.

      You're right, they cannot change their gender, for that is seated in their brain. And so they're changing their body, which certainly can be modified, to match.

      Why is this a bad thing, if we accept the initial argument?

      If their 'brain feels' a particular gender different from that of their body then isn't that by definition a delusion?

      Gender isn't like ethnicity, where its driven by self identification. Its more like species.

      Theres a similar continuity of species where membership of a species isn't black and white, much like I posit for gender. However, the point where an individual is on that continuum isn't something they can change by wearing different clothes or getting cosmetic surgery. Same with race.

      Suppose I was part Asian, say my great grandfather was Asian, but the rest of my ancestors were European. So on the continuum of race I'm way over the European side but not all the way. But I 'feel like my brain is Asian'. To look at me you would think I was European. This makes me uncomfortable; I want people to look at me and think I'm the race that I 'feel in my brain'. So I get cosmetic surgery to make me look Asian such that if you were to look at me you'd go "Oh an Asian guy". But that wouldn't make me Asian, would it?

      I have no problem with such a person, or a 'transgender' person, wanting to get cosmetic surgery to feel more comfortable in their body. I just hope it works out and they don't feel like a disgusting mess afterward and kill themselves because they can't really get their penis reconstructed.

      Where I draw the line is the distortion of the concept of gender or race so that it becomes like something you can 'dress up like' and change. I think that this is where 'sex change' or 'gender reassignment' surgery is being misrepresented to the people to whom it is being offered. Its a fraud.

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  5. Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    * People who believe in electrosensitivity are paranoid wackos.
    * Paranoid wackos tend to create problems and start fights.
    * Profit!

  6. Yeah, make fun of them, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't this an acceptable solution? Give them space where they can have their way. Radiosensitivity is a harmless crazy. It's not like the United States of America lack space. Every year many thousands of tech freaks gather in a desert to live out their dream of a high tech tribal life. Isn't there room for other loonies too?

    1. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you read the article (I know, I know...) the people who have actually lived there for generations are upset with it because the crazies are showing up and making unreasonable demands (stores have to use certain kinds of lights, etc.) and are going out on the internet and telling other crazies to come live there. It's a (very) small town that can't support too many people, and the residents who've lived there all their lives are at risk of being forced out by these people.

      Instead of giving them space, how about we give them an appointment with a psychiatrist?

    2. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Small town that can't support too many people, like Gerlach and Empire on the edge of the Black Rock Desert, each with a population of about 200? Not 40, but 60000 people come through those towns and use their infrastructure every year to live out their particular crazy. If life gives you lemons, make lemonade. If expanding your customer base by 30% isn't worth putting in non-fluorescent lights (I assume, not going to read the article), then you're doing it wrong.

    3. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Isn't there room for other loonies too?

      The problem is that the town originally had 120 normal residents. Now, 40 extreme sensitives have moved there, and have started stirring up trouble, like demanding that other residents remove neon lights in stores, etc. The original residents are not enthused with this, and fear that the loonies with drive them out of their own town.

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    4. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A week-long festival isn't really comparable to living somewhere year-round.

      Le Mans gets 250,000+ people showing up every year for the 24hr but it's fine because they're only there for a week.

    5. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Seems to me they just need to invest in plenty of neon signs reading "FUCK OFF!".

    6. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stirring trouble like this?

          "People would walk towards [one woman] with concealed electronics"

      C'mon, folks. What's wrong with you? You may think electromagnetic sensitivity is real or just hysteria -- but going out of your ways to "prove" "them" "wrong" seems just too much.

      Live and let live. Try to solve conflicts when they arise. This involves respect of people you don't agree with!

      There are enough conflicts to resolve that you don't need to *artificially create* new ones.

    7. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by BitZtream · · Score: 5, Insightful

      C'mon, folks. What's wrong with you? You may think electromagnetic sensitivity is real or just hysteria -- but going out of your ways to "prove" "them" "wrong" seems just too much.

      Its more than proving them wrong, they don't need to do that. The point is to piss them off and get them to leave.

      Nut jobs who think wifi is bothering them are NUT JOBS. These kind of people are a problem in a civilized society because we can't just kill them when they annoy everyone with their lunacy. So the next best thing you can do is annoy them back until they go away.

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    8. Re: Yeah, make fun of them, but... by AgNO3 · · Score: 1

      Ha just put up a dozen old small sat dishes with blinking LEDs

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    9. Re: Yeah, make fun of them, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not simply dispose of them? They're a small minority, nobody would miss them. If this was Europe, we would settle the matter in a week.

    10. Re: Yeah, make fun of them, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cut the electric for a day citing em concerns.

    11. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You heard it here folks, if you're not willing to midify your life style to make a buck, you're not living right.

    12. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Small town with crazy pop in the rise... I guess the stores will more than happy to change the lights if it means it will get all the crazy costumers business.

    13. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by oobayly · · Score: 1

      Simple - put neon tubes everywhere and starve the loons out of town.

    14. Re: Yeah, make fun of them, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not simply dispose of them? They're a small minority, nobody would miss them. If this was Europe, we would settle the matter in a week.

      Are you saying we should treat Europe as a crazy halfway house or asylum? You shouldn't tempt us unless you are serious. I'm sure many people would be willing to pay for that type of socialism on this side of the pond.

    15. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A bad customer is worse than no customer. First, "EMF sensitivity nutjob" doesn't like your florescent lights, then he or she doesn't like your doorbell, then he or she doesn't like something else. It's a no-win situation because you are trying to appease someone who is actually insane.

    16. Re: Yeah, make fun of them, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They should burn big lowercase t's on their lawns. For "time to leave".

    17. Re: Yeah, make fun of them, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit - Europeans appease every whackjob now, which is why everyone regards Europeans as weak and worthy only of contempt.

    18. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is nothing wrong with showing the truth. There is something wrong with cowardice, which you demonstrate.

    19. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, fuck this. I had a nice reply typed up, but Slashdot won't let me post it, because apparently one AC comment every one and a half hours is too much. Now you only get this. I'll stop posting "+3, insightful" comments and do what's expected of ACs instead. Hot grits for great justice!

    20. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by houghi · · Score: 1

      And what would be wrong with that? I mean, as long as they go through the proper chanels and follow procedure. e.g. they hold up qn election if neon lights should be banned or not. If the majority wants that to happen, so be it.

      What could happen is that 81 more people move in and they get the majority. Well, so be it.

      To me this is just another case of "Everybody wants change, nobody wants to change." and this goes for BOTH sides.

      And why call them loonies? I know people with imaginary friends that they talk to only on sunday and I don't call them loonies (ok, I do, but not for that reason.)

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    21. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      Why would they have neon lights near a radio telescope? Those things generate wide band EM from the plasma.

    22. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by ComputerGeek01 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Isn't this an acceptable solution? Give them space where they can have their way. Radiosensitivity is a harmless crazy. It's not like the United States of America lack space. Every year many thousands of tech freaks gather in a desert to live out their dream of a high tech tribal life. Isn't there room for other loonies too?

      You're missing the story between the lines here aren't you? Most of the people here are as well. The real reason that the residence are complaining is that this is a tiny rural town in West Virginia and most of the existing population will not be able to weather any amount of gentrification. After all it was chosen for the site of these radio telescopes because there was never any pre-existing infrastructure to reconfigure or rip-down. The types of people that can just uproot their lives and move to a backwoods town in the middle of nowhere are either retired or independently wealthy. Either way that family home that some-ones great great grand-pappy built with his own two hands is getting knocked into the dirt where it belongs and a shiny new McMansion is going up. They're pissed because there ain't nothin' that brother-cousin Cletus can do about any of it.

    23. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I get what you are saying. But sometimes people *are* sick. Take for example my wife. If she eats mayo she gets sick. Every time. People keep trying to sneak her mayo to test her. Sick every time. I personally think the stuff is just gross and will not eat it. I have narrowed it down to vinegar. For some reason she has a sensitivity to vinegar. But only particular kinds of vinegar. Her grandma is the same way and her great grandma was the same way. Her mother however is fine with it and so is her sister.

      The hard part is everyone seems to 'be sensitive' to something. Then people seem to create things to be sensitive to. The people who are actually sensitive to it can not be taken even slightly seriously because the nut jobs.

      It is like being a victim is a good thing and people are looking to become a victim somehow. Want to know how my wife handles her 'victimhood'? 'No mayo' and she moves on.

    24. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      You can't reason with craziness like that, so mental health professionals can't help.

      What these people need to do is go to the Midwest and find a completely abandoned town, and move there. Then no one will care, and everyone else will be glad to be rid of them. There's lots of abandoned towns in the midwest.

    25. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      The problem is that these people vote. And they are not necessarily 'harmless'.

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    26. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by linuxrocks123 · · Score: 1

      That's probably not it. These people probably own their houses. Property value going up is good for you unless you're renting.

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    27. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      Not selling to the nut jobs would be a starting point.

    28. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >retired or independently wealthy
      Or living off disability/insurance settlement/selling quack cures.

    29. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by cusco · · Score: 1

      Property value going up is only a good thing if you intend to sell. Otherwise it raises your taxes for little to no benefit to you. Unless you're the type who likes to boast about how much their house is worth, I suppose.

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    30. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed.

      Trying to reason with the irrational is a fools errand.

      Bes you can do is contain, marginalize. Prevent harm to yourself, themselves, and others.

    31. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      If your wife was "sensitive" the neighbours having mayo in their fridge, you might have a slightly different opinion.

    32. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either way that family home that some-ones great great grand-pappy built with his own two hands is getting knocked into the dirt where it belongs and a shiny new McMansion is going up.

      You say this with such certainty. You must be a lot of fun at parties. The _real_ problem is how annoying these nut jobs are. Did you read to the last paragraph?

    33. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Have you made mayonnaise from scratch? Is oil OK? Is egg yolk OK? That's all mayo has to have - it's better with salt and a tiny pinch of seasoning. You don't have to use vinegar, but lemon juice is nice.

    34. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Buy a nice directional antenna and walk around pointing it at them :)

      http://www.newegg.com/Product/...

      It would be well worth the price for entertainment.

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    35. Re: Yeah, make fun of them, but... by dysmal · · Score: 1

      Why not simply dispose of them? They're a small minority, nobody would miss them. If this was Europe, we would settle the matter in a week.

      It would take that long to finish the debate about when the first meeting to decide their fate will be!

    36. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by flashsag · · Score: 1

      It's not harmless crazy when they start demanding everybody else accommodate their crazy.

    37. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by flashsag · · Score: 1

      If an EM-sensitivity nutter complained in my store I'd install a Van de Graaff generator in the store and point used satellite dishes at the door as a repellant.

    38. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by flashsag · · Score: 1

      Fuck walking around, put that shit in your car and park outside their house with it towards their house.

  7. Feel sorry for the townfolk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I too would be pissed if these assholes came to my hometown with their bullshit and started telling everyone how to live.

  8. Maybe, maybe not by miketheanimal · · Score: 1

    There is a real problem with studies related to things like this. A few people claim to have some problem - electrosensitivity in this case - which they may or may not have. Then a whole load of other people hear about it, and all claim to have it as well, most simply because they have had some minor random problem, and latch onto it as a reason. In effect the whole thing snowballs. Now, there may actually be a very few people who do genuinely have the problem, but when you come to do the studies, you sample a large number of people. You do the statistics. You do not conclude that there is no link - studies like these cannot show that there is *no* link. You conclude - correctly - that there is no statistically significant link. But there still might (or might not) be a real problem for a very few people.

    1. Re: Maybe, maybe not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they are email sensitive why live in a town? The country is full of empty space.

    2. Re:Maybe, maybe not by Muad'Dave · · Score: 2

      See Morgellon's Disease. At least mainstream medicine calls it what it is - Delusional Parasitosis.

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    3. Re: Maybe, maybe not by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      They want all the benefits and convenience of living in a town, but they insist on everyone else doing things their way and conforming to their demands.

      Basically, they're assholes.

      You're exactly right; normal people who just don't get along that well with society don't do this: they move out to the sticks and live as they please out there.

    4. Re:Maybe, maybe not by Alsee · · Score: 1

      Now, there may actually be a very few people who do genuinely have the problem, but when you come to do the studies, you sample a large number of people. You do the statistics. You do not conclude that there is no link - studies like these cannot show that there is *no* link. You conclude - correctly - that there is no statistically significant link. But there still might (or might not) be a real problem for a very few people.

      This is like people who claim they have ESP and magical abilities. If there were even ONE legitimate case, they could simply walk into a casino and repeatedly win multi-million dollar wins until every casino on the planet bans them.

      All it takes is ONE "electrosensitive" who can consistently answer yes/no to whether an antenna is broadcasting. Much like ESP and other supernatural abilities, so far they do not exist.

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    5. Re:Maybe, maybe not by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      What evidence do you have that psychics don't walk into casinos and make money? A smart one would be careful not to get banned. Or maybe they play the stock market instead, which has more money with less visibility?

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  9. The Guardian?!?? (Why not NY Times?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... a story from The Guardian about Green Bank, West Virginia ...

    It's rather sad that a British newspaper is needed to write news stories about an American town.

    1. Re: The Guardian?!?? (Why not NY Times?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the Europeans I have spoken to, West Virginia and Tennessee, Alabama, etc are all representative of the culture of Americans overall (go figure). I think it is more entertaining that way.

    2. Re:The Guardian?!?? (Why not NY Times?) by randalware · · Score: 1

      They are just echoing an existing article, with some editing to make it sound sensational.

      That town is wi-fi free because there are sensitive radio telescopes nearby and the US Federal government made the restrictions manditory a long time ago.

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    3. Re:The Guardian?!?? (Why not NY Times?) by omnichad · · Score: 1

      It's an Associated Press article. You'll find the exact same text and photos in paper and digital news sources all over the world (including the U.S.). It was not written by any staff of The Guardian.

    4. Re:The Guardian?!?? (Why not NY Times?) by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Because we all laugh at the crazies, and they don't like that. Brits have this amazing power to keep a straight face when talking to people with mental disorders.

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  10. Subsidized tin foil hats: Only in Sweden. by MPAB · · Score: 1

    From TFA: "Sweden is one of the few places to recognise electrosensitivity as a disability and the government will help sufferers insulate their homes."
    I suppose they can also apply for full disability and a pension because they cannot work in any modern environment.

    1. Re:Subsidized tin foil hats: Only in Sweden. by fnj · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Sweden, fiberglass insulation will really do a lot to stop electromagnetic waves, no?

    2. Re:Subsidized tin foil hats: Only in Sweden. by Megol · · Score: 5, Informative

      The article is wrong.
      EHS isn't generally recognized as something but psychosomatic illness by medical science however the use of the label is allowed (EU directive IIRC).
      Some places gives money to "sanitize" the homes of people claiming sensitivity - but most doesn't. The stated goal for those places that do isn't to reduce electromagnetic radiation per se but to reduce the nocebo effect. The law doesn't count alleged EHS as a disability and doesn't require anyone to reduce EM exposure which it would if the effect were considered real.

      People diagnosed with EHS may apply for disability just as other suffering from some serious psychosomatic illnesses.

      In short it seems that Sweden was listed as an example to "prove" the effect is real as considered by some state. That's simply false. The local law, medical science and research all consider it being purely psychosomatic triggered by the nocebo effect.

    3. Re:Subsidized tin foil hats: Only in Sweden. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, foil backed EPS board.

    4. Re:Subsidized tin foil hats: Only in Sweden. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's like having a crippling phobia or anxiety disorder. You get help for those, but neither spiders nor the gathering darkness are considered impending medical problems.

    5. Re:Subsidized tin foil hats: Only in Sweden. by MPAB · · Score: 1

      Thank you for the comment. It's very difficult not to believe news that say Sweden makes it too easy for people to live off the state.

    6. Re:Subsidized tin foil hats: Only in Sweden. by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Sweden, fiberglass insulation will really do a lot to stop electromagnetic waves, no?

      I doesn't have to stop the waves, it only has to convince the homeowner that the waves are being stopped.

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    7. Re:Subsidized tin foil hats: Only in Sweden. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, it will fix the sensitivity if you pack a lot of it tightly enough around the electrosensitive.

    8. Re:Subsidized tin foil hats: Only in Sweden. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The general advice to doctors in Sweden is to meet those who "suffer from EMF" with respect and to thouroghly examine if there is any illness that is causing the symptoms.

      Electrosensitivity in itself is not considered a disease, however it is considered a disability to suffer from it. I guess you could compare it with a phobia. If your phobia stops you from being able to work you might get some help from the government. Still the official standpoint (in Sweden) is that there is no evidence that electrosensitivity is a real thing outside the patient's mind, and that the clinical tests that have been made shows no difference between claimed electrosensitive people and control group in detecting EMF (both are just as good as a random chance).

  11. MASS MIGRATION!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ummm.. 40 people.

    1. Re: MASS MIGRATION!!!! by AgNO3 · · Score: 2

      Maybe they were all fat?

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    2. Re:MASS MIGRATION!!!! by jo7hs2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The town only had 120 residents. From their perspective, 40 new people is a mass migration. Heck, most towns of this size are slowly decreasing in population. They lack the resources to absorb 40 new people, let alone 40 new nut jobs with bizarre needs.

    3. Re:MASS MIGRATION!!!! by mbone · · Score: 1

      The town only had 120 residents. From their perspective, 40 new people is a mass migration. Heck, most towns of this size are slowly decreasing in population. They lack the resources to absorb 40 new people, let alone 40 new nut jobs with bizarre needs.

      This town basically is an observatory town, and the population has been pretty stable for decades. As long as the NSF doesn't shut off the GBT (as they keep threatening to), the town won't shrink.

  12. An article last January by wiredog · · Score: 1

    in The Washingtonian probably inspired the Guardian's article.

  13. microwaves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would like to test their sesitivity to microwaves. Have them stop by my kitchen. $20 paid after 5min of exposure.

  14. Dirty WiFi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet this is a movie promotion starting Patrick Swayze's ghost.

  15. Not So Fast by dcw3 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The FCC ban was created in 1958. The town didn't ban this.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    1. Re:Not So Fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Also, as the article actually points out explicitly, many residents do have Wi-Fi, it is not illegal (they can be asked to turned it off), but the churnalist chose the headline before doing the research and dedided to keep it for clickbait purposes although it is simply not true.

  16. So what? by damn_registrars · · Score: 0

    This summary seems to have been written to pick on these people. If they don't want wireless technology in their town, what is the harm in letting them ban it? We wouldn't expect the Amish to accept it either.

    In fact, they almost seem to be a small religion that is lacking a charismatic leader. There are plenty of religious movements in this country that are based on nonsense that have more acceptance than this because they have convincing leaders.

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    1. Re:So what? by ShadowRangerRIT · · Score: 2

      The town already bans most transmitting devices. That's the whole point. The problem is that the wackos want stores to replace and/or disable lighting fixtures because of their "sensitivity", and they want staff in cafeterias to wait on them directly because they'd have to pass through lit areas to reach the food and don't want to. Read the article. I'm fine with self-treating psychosomatics, up until the point where they start imposing unreasonably on others.

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    2. Re:So what? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      We wouldn't expect the Amish to accept it either.

      Who is this "we"? Much like an FCC notice, I would expect the Amish to have to receive non-interfering RF. And that's the point, isn't it? These people are claming to be sensitive to things even the radio observatory isn't bothered by, because it's below the level of the background noise.

      In fact, they almost seem to be a small religion that is lacking a charismatic leader.

      Oh, no. Never base your religion on something that can be conclusively disproven by science.

      Now, I can get a headache from a CRT television that somebody left on in the corner with no signal — I can literally hear that consciously and even identify it — across a crowded room full of talking people. So you might say I'm sensitive to the idea that some people can be sensitive to things that other people don't notice. I find that certain fluorescent lamps really hurt my eyes, too; but not all of them, I don't think I'm allergic to fluorescent lights. There's just some combination of phosphors that I find particularly irritating. In the kitchen I mixed warm and cool white and that seems OK — but the ballast has started making a new and grating humming noise recently...

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    3. Re:So what? by buck-yar · · Score: 2

      If you don't change your lightbulb for her, that's harassment!

    4. Re: So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's likely the strobing effect from bad electronics, not chemicals. The humming noise suggests a bad transformer (which also worsens the strobing) that is now about to fail. Replace it.

    5. Re:So what? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      I would expect the Amish to have to receive non-interfering RF. And that's the point, isn't it? These people are claming to be sensitive to things even the radio observatory isn't bothered by, because it's below the level of the background noise.

      If they choose to believe that non-interfering RF is causing them great harm, what is the harm in allowing them to hold that belief? It appears they are only harming themselves in so doing; outsiders can choose to visit other towns instead. Make no mistake that I don't agree with their ideas of Wi-Fi causing harm to humans, but I also don't see how their idea hurts anyone outside their own group.

      Oh, no. Never base your religion on something that can be conclusively disproven by science.

      Isn't that generally how religions grow, by touting something that is disproven? Hell the religion with the fastest growth rate in the US - in terms of number of new members relative to their total number of existing members - is almost certainly the one that counters reality the most strongly.

      If these "electrosensitive" people could find a leader willing to post lots of youtube videos (which would likely be tricky if they think that the requisite technology for making such videos harms them) they could likely see the same kind of huge growth.

      But again, why does it matter? If they want to shut themselves off from the outside world, why should the outside world care? They still pay their taxes, they still send their kids to school. They don't seem to be breaking any laws.

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    6. Re:So what? by dissy · · Score: 1

      Who is this "we"? Much like an FCC notice, I would expect the Amish to have to receive non-interfering RF. And that's the point, isn't it? These people are claming to be sensitive to things even the radio observatory isn't bothered by, because it's below the level of the background noise.

      So why does this matter to you?

      These new people aren't responsible for no-wifi, the radio blackout was put in place for the observatory.
      If these people wish to relocate to an existing radio blackout area, that makes them happy, and it doesn't affect you in anyway - why not leave them be?

      Oh, no. Never base your religion on something that can be conclusively disproven by science.

      Again, why does this matter to you?

      Let them be "stupid" where their stupidity won't harm anyone. Why can't we just leave them be?

      Short of their stupidity resulting in them carrying around a radio transmitter they aren't aware is actually a transmitter, they aren't hurting anything.
      And even in that case, I would imagine just telling them the thing is a transmitter would very quickly get them to shut it off willingly, maintaining the radio blackout.

      But short of that I don't see why anyone would care that stupid people are going out of their way to be stupid in a place that stupidity doesn't harm anyone.
      In fact, good on them for finding an existing radio blackout zone to use, instead of forcing it needlessly on everyone around where they used to live.

      Moral of the story: Leave motherfuckers alone.

    7. Re:So what? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      I thought you knew how crazy and dangerous religion can be. Majority rule has its flaws.

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    8. Re:So what? by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      If they choose to believe that non-interfering RF is causing them great harm, what is the harm in allowing them to hold that belief? It appears they are only harming themselves in so doing; outsiders can choose to visit other towns instead. Make no mistake that I don't agree with their ideas of Wi-Fi causing harm to humans, but I also don't see how their idea hurts anyone outside their own group.

      Ignorance is harm in and of itself, let alone the idea that, if they choose to blame something on an incorrect source (cows are dying because witches) they remove the possibility of finding and fixing the actual problem. (Cows are dying because contaminated feed, water, disease, whatever).

      --
      Vintage computer games and RPG books available. Email me if you're interested.
    9. Re:So what? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Moral of the story: Leave motherfuckers alone.

      Yes, that is the moral of the story. But the motherfuckers in question won't leave other people alone: they're trying to force people to do stupid shit for no reason.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    10. Re:So what? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Moral of the story: Leave motherfuckers alone.

      The way the insane are moving into a town and demanding others change their lives to accommodate them? Those motherfuckers aren't leaving motherfuckers alone. But you support the insane motherfuckers over the sane motherfuckers. Why?

    11. Re:So what? by dissy · · Score: 1

      The way the insane are moving into a town and demanding others change their lives to accommodate them?

      You'd have a point if that was happening, but I saw nothing mentioned but the new arrivals requesting things at a town hall meeting, and ultimately being ignored.

      Making a request is not, IMHO, forcing your will on others.
      I even used a reverse example in my first post, that the observatory might ask the new arrivals to stop using radio transmitters if it's discovered they are doing so.

      Now to my basic math skills:
      120 original people + 40 new people = 160 total people
      40 new people / 160 total people = 0.25 , aka 25% of the population.

      I would be pretty surprised if 25% of a population was enough, even if all voting en-mass, to force anything on anyone.
      I may actually be wrong there, although if so I would agree that situation would be complete bullshit and shouldn't even be possible let alone reality.

      Perhaps there are other articles not linked to by slashdot or the guardian that supports the claim that these people are forcing anything?
      If so I'll gladly admit ignorance of the situation.

    12. Re:So what? by dissy · · Score: 1

      Yes, that is the moral of the story. But the motherfuckers in question won't leave other people alone: they're trying to force people to do stupid shit for no reason.

      I already posted a similar reply to someone else, but basically what I said was:

      I saw nothing mentioned except the new arrivals requesting things at a town hall meeting, and ultimately being ignored.

      I would be surprised if 25% of a population was enough to force anything on anyone via voting or passing new laws. If I am incorrect on that fact then I admit I would revise my previous statements, as well as call bullshit on such a situation.

      But so far as The Guardian article linked in the slashdot summary, I didn't see anything more than the new arrivals asking for things and the existing population saying 'no'.
      And I don't see any problems with asking.

    13. Re:So what? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      And I don't see any problems with asking.

      At best, it's a waste of other people's time, money, and energy. They have better things to do than to listen to repeated requests made on an unfounded basis.

      There's just no reason to suspect that anyone can be bothered by something that won't even offend a radio observatory. I'm sympathetic to the notion that some people might be sensitive to some of this stuff, and just as soon as a study shows that instead of the complete opposite, then they should be able to intrude on other people's time with their requests.

      Unless you think there's a problem with the electrosensitivity trials which have happened so far?

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    14. Re:So what? by dissy · · Score: 1

      At best, it's a waste of other people's time, money, and energy. They have better things to do than to listen to repeated requests made on an unfounded basis.

      Fair enough, I too agree it is a waste of time, but unfortunately short of some mass population cleansing or something equally terrifying, I feel this is still one of the better ways of handling things.

      Far from claiming the government works [adjective not needed], it at least seems to be serving its purpose.
      Listen to the minority, judge any basis for harm or loss, and act accordingly - even if that action is to reject their claims.

      Unless you think there's a problem with the electrosensitivity trials which have happened so far?

      Oh no, far from. I agree these people are at best hypochondriacs that are full of shit, and at worse real-life trolls full of shit.

      I'd even go so far to say that putting up with the needs of the many over the few is simply one of the prices to pay for living in a civilized society.
      That puts the onus on them to change their life style as they want it.

      Shy of any real forcing their will on others I may be missing here, my take on the article was they are kinda doing just that.

      Don't want to believe there is EM radiation around you? They believe an EM blackout zone such as the one around the observatory makes them happier? Then move to the blackout zone (which they did)

      They want to believe florescent lights give them problems? Them replacing their own lights to avoid such perceived problems is the right thing to do.

      I'll even grant going so far as requesting others do the same for their benefit isn't at all out of line.
      So long as it is a willing and voluntary change that isn't being forced upon them (which is how I read the article) then I see no problem.

      It all comes down to voluntary requesting vs forcing upon others.

    15. Re:So what? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      By your logic, the robber politely asking you to hand over your wallet while pointing a gun at you is not using "force" unless they touch you. I disagree with your assessment of "force".

    16. Re:So what? by dissy · · Score: 1

      By your logic, the robber politely asking you to hand over your wallet while pointing a gun at you is not using "force" unless they touch you. I disagree with your assessment of "force".

      Not at all. Once you point the gun at someone, that is force.
      NOT pointing a gun at someone and doing the same would be implied force, which still qualifies.

      Asking the town hall to make a new law, to which the town hall says NO, and no one comes to any bodily harm nor has a gun pointed at them afterwards however - is not force.

      Are you claiming these 40 new arrivals are pointing guns at people or the equivalent?
      Are they even threatening violence?

      I saw nothing even close to that in the article. No threats implied or otherwise were reported on. No guns were reported to be in use.
      Nothing but the normal town hall processes that is democracy.

    17. Re:So what? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If people with an irrational belief demand that others do more or less onerous things for their belief, that's a problem. In this case, the irrational woman is loudly attempting to force storekeepers into changing their lighting to accommodate her delusions.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    18. Re:So what? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      If people with an irrational belief demand that others do more or less onerous things for their belief, that's a problem. In this case, the irrational woman is loudly attempting to force storekeepers into changing their lighting to accommodate her delusions.

      I will admit I did not read that far in to the article; I read the summary and figured it was more front page clickbait. If this woman is indeed trying to force other people to do things for no good reason I would tell her she can go shop somewhere else. If someone from the town agrees that the lights are a problem and wants to open a new store with different lights, that's fine too but I don't see their freedom to ban WiFi in their town as being something that extends to being able to dictate how others in town do their business on a level as fundamental as lighting fixtures.

      --
      Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
  17. Wow, Yet Another Harrassment Narrative by Kunedog · · Score: 5, Insightful
    No, trouble like this (larger quote from TFA):

    In an effort to make Green Bank more navigable, Schou made some requests of local businesses. A Dollar Store was opening, but its fluorescent and halogen lights would be intolerable. She asked that they were changed. “They wouldn’t do it. And without the light it gets very dark in there, so they’re not willing to turn off the power.” She took to eating her meals in the senior citizens’ centre, where a gap in the lighting gave her some peace. But walking to collect her food entailed exposure to problem bulbs, so she would ask others to wait on her.

    Things came to a head. A town meeting was called. “She became very demanding, asking other people to turn their lights off or replace their bulbs,” said Stewart. “It was too much. And Schou was encouraging other sensitives to move here, and this is not a town with many jobs or houses to begin with.”

    Where the locals might have been happy to tolerate one or two of the sensitives, the mass migration was beyond the pale. Another sensitive who moved to Green Bank was reported to have flown into a rage at the library, denouncing the “dumb hillbillies”. “People tell me to stop encouraging others to move here, and to stop bringing them into stores,” Schou confirms. “The hostility continues.” People would walk towards Schou with concealed electronics, in an effort to provoke a reaction. A meeting she and her husband organised to help educate the others about electrosensivity descended into a slanging match. Schou, who has called herself a “technological leper,” said the ill will went further: “I had a visitor staying, a fellow refugee, and the air was let out of our car tyres overnight.”

    At best, she is a nuisance demanding everyone accommodate her invisible disability that she has zero evidence for. At worst, it sounds like she might be trying to literally take over the town by creating a solid electro-senstive voting block.

    As for the townsfolk harrassing her, well we once again have only her word on that. And after almost a year seeing unverified and outright known to be false accusations of harrassment trumpeted in the media--the Guardian itself being one of the (very) guilty outlets--yeah, I'm gonna need some substantial evidence before I believe a word of that either.

    1. Re:Wow, Yet Another Harrassment Narrative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So why is she not simply converting to Amish?

      They do not use electricity at all unless required to do so (by health codes, such as refrigerators in their food processing areas).
      They use natural gas for lighting, and all hand tools.
      Most of them are farming and have large open air spaces.

      In fact, since they tend to be closed-in, they are needing new people to come in so their incidence of genetic diseases would decrease, and refresh the gene pool.

    2. Re:Wow, Yet Another Harrassment Narrative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't like halogen lights, which have no electronics? What do they want, candles?

    3. Re:Wow, Yet Another Harrassment Narrative by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      > As for the townsfolk harassing her, well we once again have only her word on that. And after almost a year seeing unverified and outright known to be false accusations of harassment trumpeted in the media--the Guardian itself being one of the (very) guilty outlets--yeah, I'm gonna need some substantial evidence before I believe a word of that either.

      It's within the realm of possibility. I'm sad to say that when younger, I remember such actions against unwelcome races, genders, religions, sexuality, income, and lifestyle. I also remember reaching out to those people being harassed if I became aware of it in progress: it was difficult to respond to it when it occurred quietly and was mentioned later, but I'm afraid I'd met some of the sources of it. I even spent several weeks with a chair and a lamp, reading myself to sleep and studying on the porch of a mixed race family who had a cross burnt on their lawn. We took turns sleeping on their porch, we brought beer and coffee and snacks, and we made friends. We were very, very careful _not_ to bring weapons, and this long predated cell phones, but one of us even set up a ham rig and police scanner to call out if there was trouble.

      There were a few windows broken and even some tires flattened for we who showed up. It was a long, long time ago, but these sorts of things can still happen, especially in neighborhoods without the encroaching maze of CCTV monitoring in so much of modern life.

    4. Re:Wow, Yet Another Harrassment Narrative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, Halogen? I can understand fluorescent to some extent, especially old magnetic ballasts, but halogen?

    5. Re:Wow, Yet Another Harrassment Narrative by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      Pretty much how liberals take over any place.

      or Conservatives.
      Just a different list of things you can/can't do.

    6. Re:Wow, Yet Another Harrassment Narrative by BVis · · Score: 1

      Oh, grind your ax somewhere else.

      Nothing makes you look like a reactionary idiot faster than stuffing "Lol librls r dumb" into a conversation where it's completely irrelevant.

      --
      Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
    7. Re:Wow, Yet Another Harrassment Narrative by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Simple: these "electrosensitives" aren't willing to work that hard.

    8. Re:Wow, Yet Another Harrassment Narrative by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I don't see the problem with people harassing these "electrosensitives". They're self-righteous assholes, and interlopers.

      The mixed-race people you talk about most likely were not newcomers, and were not doing anything to irritate their neighbors, such as demanding them all to change their lightbulbs. These "electrosensitives", OTOH, are basically invading a small town which doesn't want them there, and then demanding all kinds of changes and generally being a nuisance. I don't see why the townsfolk should be obligated to treat them nicely at all. They're not welcome there. No one forced them to move there, and they should move somewhere else.

    9. Re:Wow, Yet Another Harrassment Narrative by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      So why is she not simply converting to Amish?

      They do not use electricity at all unless required to do so (by health codes, such as refrigerators in their food processing areas). They use natural gas for lighting, and all hand tools. Most of them are farming and have large open air spaces.

      In fact, since they tend to be closed-in, they are needing new people to come in so their incidence of genetic diseases would decrease, and refresh the gene pool.

      Don't they also have to have stupid Seventeenth Century religious beliefs?

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    10. Re:Wow, Yet Another Harrassment Narrative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a liberal and I live in a liberal place. Most of these hypochondriacs are middle age liberal women who are obsessed with fringe health fads like shoving crystals in your ass and doing yoga... despite being fat as hell.
      The exception is maybe some early 20s SJW types they're using as tools and grooming to be the next generation of whackjobs.

      If you acted like a freak and had a lot of mental issues would you flock to people who tend to shun weirdos or would you flock to people who tend to do their best to let you go about your life even if you're weird?

    11. Re:Wow, Yet Another Harrassment Narrative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's within the realm of possibility.

      So is a wolf attack. But cry wolf one too many times when there isn't one, and eventually people stop believing you.

    12. Re:Wow, Yet Another Harrassment Narrative by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Or the SJWs and their Gamergate conspiracy theories.

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    13. Re:Wow, Yet Another Harrassment Narrative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What stupid Seventeenth Century religious beliefs are you afraid of?

    14. Re:Wow, Yet Another Harrassment Narrative by SteveAstro · · Score: 1

      Amish ?
      Bullshit. I know Amish guys in Central Pa with better texting deals for their cellulars than me. And they have more power tools than me.

    15. Re:Wow, Yet Another Harrassment Narrative by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I'm usually against harassing people, but it would be so tempting to make a small black box of some shape with a flashing battery-powered LED and walk around with it showing in my pocket.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  18. Nuts or visionaries? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even if they are nuts, these folks have a right to find a place where they can feel comfortable,
    but they don't have a right to dierupt the lives of other folks already there.

    They could go find a valley in the zone without folks and do their own thing.

    As a concentrated group in the town, they have the means and opportunity to figure out how to do the science to prove their claims.
    If the problem is as they say it is, they should be working towards that goal.
    If not for the respect of others, then to better understand their own condition.
    If they don't feel the responsibility to prove that things are as they say, then they should not have the right to expect others to bend to their needs.

    The fact that they don't do this leads me to the nuts conclusion.

    DISCLAIMER: The folks I have seen with this condition seem to adjust the rules in ways which are convinient to them.
    On the other hand, if there is a real things here, I would like to know about it.

  19. It is like the old tv show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eerie Indiana.

    They should rename from Green Bank to Ludditown.

  20. Re:People need to learn to stop giving a shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I guess people are afraid that at this rate soon the crazy will outnumber the "normal" population, end eventually normal people will be a oppressed minority.

    It's difficult to not give a shit when you start considering possible outcomes.

  21. Re:People need to learn to stop giving a shit by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Informative

    Are they interfering with your life?
    No?

    Yes, apparently. They are insisting the residents change their own electrical fixtures to accomodate their own little neuroses, for one thing.

  22. Re:People need to learn to stop giving a shit by Megol · · Score: 1

    But they ARE interfering!

  23. was this funded by cable companies? by mix_left_and_right · · Score: 2

    anyone else wonder if the electrosensitivity "movement" has been funded by cable/ISP companies?

    1. Re:was this funded by cable companies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.
      Our cable company (shaw) is installing wifi access points heavily in urban areas to give "free" wireless internet to cable subscribers.

  24. A rose by any other name by sjbe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A synonym for electrosensitivity is hypochondriac.

    1. Re:A rose by any other name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought hypochondriacs imagine they have real disease.

    2. Re:A rose by any other name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A blacksmith i worked with, was sensitive to magnetism, due to the levels of iron that were embedded in his skin, and his sensitivity in muscle control due to twenty years working with a wide range of hammers. He could feel qualitative differences in magnetic fields, which was great for diagnosing faults in electric motors. :D

      It's not outside of the range of possibility that there are people who are sensitive to this.

    3. Re:A rose by any other name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A blacksmith i worked with, was sensitive to magnetism, due to the levels of iron that were embedded in his skin, and his sensitivity in muscle control due to twenty years working with a wide range of hammers. He could feel qualitative differences in magnetic fields, which was great for diagnosing faults in electric motors. :D

      It's not outside of the range of possibility that there are people who are sensitive to this.

      Yes, it pretty much is "outside of the range of possibility." They are claiming to be sensitive to high frequency radio waves directly, not have enhanced sensitivity to near magnetic fields due to ferrous material embedded in their skin. JFC.

    4. Re:A rose by any other name by ImprovOmega · · Score: 1

      It sounds like your friend was demonstrably able to tell the difference between magnetic fields in what could have been set up as a double blind study which makes it a scientifically provable ability to distinguish magnetic field intensities. This does not sound unreasonable.

      What we're talking about with "electro-sensitive" people is some folks who vaguely say that electromagnetism makes them "feel bad" or "fatigued" or some other hard to pin down ailment which is not reproducible in any scientific setting and has never been shown to be an actual thing. Also no matter how much science you throw at them they willfully ignore you and keep on about how your methods are flawed or you're part of the conspiracy.

      These folks are nutjobs. Your friend doesn't sound like a nutjob.

  25. Re: Electrosensitiviy is a mental disorder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am now imagining a troll with "Adolf mustache."

  26. Re:People need to learn to stop giving a shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is their business. They are being harassed by deranged people.

  27. Re:People need to learn to stop giving a shit by gsslay · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Are they interfering with your life?

    Did you RTFA? They are interfering. They are going about town demanding that other people turn off electrical stuff that they imagine causes their imaginary disease.

  28. Jamb them up with GMO by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    I hope they're also eating multi-grain GMO-free food with no artificial colors.

  29. Re:People need to learn to stop giving a shit by nedlohs · · Score: 1

    You have a very strange idea of what not interfering is.

  30. Take that NSA! by tomxor · · Score: 1

    Bwahahahaha, my evil plan... "Release the brainwashed electro-sensitive zombies!", all but invisible to the NSA, no known modern technology can track them...

    The Quiet Zone protects the telescopes of the NRAO facility, and the antennas and receivers of the U.S. Navy's Information Operations Command (NIOC) at Sugar Grove. The NIOC has long been the location of electronic intelligence-gathering systems, and is today said to be a key station in the ECHELON system operated by the National Security Agency (NSA)

    Let see how long they can stand the onslaught of pseudo-science arguments until they cave and abandon post.

    1. Re:Take that NSA! by mbone · · Score: 1

      The NSA has been at Sugar Grove since the 1950's. They are not going anywhere.

    2. Re:Take that NSA! by tomxor · · Score: 1

      Apologies, i forgot the NSA (especially when combined with FBI) only posses the ability to interpret everything literally... you see the contents of the communication you intercepted (aka my post) was a peculiar type of human fiction known as a "joke", what this means is that i did not actually train and send an army of electro sensitive zombies to defeat the NSA at sugar grove.

  31. The former residents tend to be RF knowledgeable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And of course, radio astronomers and similar folks who *work* at Green Bank probably are more educated about RF emissions and their health effects, so they find the "quiet zone pilgrims" even more annoying.

    It's like when people ask me (I'm an RF engineer, and I've done a lot of RF exposure dose analysis) to help them fight that dangerous cell tower, and I used to try to patiently explain that
    a) the exposure you are getting from the WiFi in your house and your cellphone are higher than you get from the cell site
    b) you're way below the levels with any documented effects
    c) don't sleep with your phone on the pillow (ALARA principle)

    But that's like convincing a missionary that there is no god. Not worth the time. So now it's "you know, I think I'm busy then"

  32. it is NOT all the stranger by sribe · · Score: 1

    When you have an influx of people who are delusional, then conflict is to be expected.

  33. Science? You mean ignorant. by barryvoeten · · Score: 1

    Can science prove that I can feel a drop of moonlight on my hand, shining ?

    Can science show why I can sense the aura of fruits, trees, animals, humans, with my hands or with a simple rod ? Or are you saying that I can't, while I have obviously done that. I can teach anyone in an hour, unless they have their minds shut down.

    1. Re:Science? You mean ignorant. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well you're a nutjob who doesn't believe in viruses. So I guess I have my mind shut down.

    2. Re:Science? You mean ignorant. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I love the part where she says, don't subject me to a double-blind controlled experiment. Just come to where I am and measure what I have to put up with every day. Because the second one is totally science.

    3. Re:Science? You mean ignorant. by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Today is your lucky day. Demonstrate any of these things under laboratory conditions with JREF, and you'll win yourself $1 million.

      If you don't do that then shut the fuck up.

    4. Re:Science? You mean ignorant. by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Yes, science can demonstrate you can feel moonlight, if there is anything to feel and a mechanism through which to feel. For science to demonstrate you can sense auras, you have to show auras exist, as no one has done that yet.

    5. Re:Science? You mean ignorant. by barryvoeten · · Score: 1

      Interesting isn't it.

      When I say what I can, you tell me what to do or to shut up.

      How polite.

    6. Re:Science? You mean ignorant. by barryvoeten · · Score: 1

      Sure. I taught many people how to do that, actually. It is easy. It's a 10 minute job. Who needs "science" when you can do it right away.

    7. Re:Science? You mean ignorant. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm actually interested in this... (Not the fake, sarcastic interested.)

      When you teach people, is this something that has to be done in person? What do the steps look like?

    8. Re:Science? You mean ignorant. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The implication is that if you can do those things, and haven't proven it to claim $1,000,000, you are most likely a liar. Why not prove such things possible and collect some money at the same time? Regardless of your response, the actual answer to that question will be assumed to be "because I know I'm a liar."

      Exposing fraud is never impolite, no matter how polite the fraudster claims to be.

    9. Re:Science? You mean ignorant. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Calling the guy a liar goes far beyond the evidence. There are people who believe they can do these things. They may well be perceiving things most people don't, by more conventional means, and probably have never tried an objective test (the first thing I'd try doing).

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    10. Re:Science? You mean ignorant. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      If they believe it so strongly and are inviting others to witness, why wouldn't they object to objectively proving it?

  34. Re:People need to learn to stop giving a shit by dave420 · · Score: 1

    So you're fine changing your business practices because someone with a well-demonstrated psychosomatic condition moves in next door and tells you to do so? Good to know.

  35. Keeping idiots employed by sjbe · · Score: 1

    After we installed a Wifi relay in the lobby, the idi^H^Hperson manning the entrance started taking sick days after sick days, claiming the wifi was making her sick.

    I would personally fire such a person. Someone that stupid is going to be a detriment to the company at some point.

    Then we activated it and placed a piece of black tape on the LEDs, told her 'Fine, we won't be using it then', and all was fine.

    You are much kinder than I would be. I hope this person had many other wonderful qualities to offset her lack of critical reasoning ability.

    1. Re:Keeping idiots employed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope this person had many other wonderful qualities to offset her lack of critical reasoning ability.

      I bet you that I can guess at least two of them.

    2. Re:Keeping idiots employed by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Most likely, she's related to someone important there, and/or she's very attractive and this is useful to the company for when visitors arrive.

    3. Re:Keeping idiots employed by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Why fire the person when you can solve the problem with a piece of electrical tape? All of us have our problems. The next person you get may be thoroughly rational and educated, and not as good a receptionist.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  36. "My telescope is allergic to wi-fi!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will the hypochondria never end?

  37. Re: People need to learn to stop giving a shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'd say going around town demanding people turn off lights or change bulb types, asking people to wait on you so you can avoid "dirty" lights and so on is pretty damn clearlt "interfering". Let's see how tolerant you are in such a situation. Crazy-ass sensitives can move into the country; towns are for civilized life.

  38. Fun with EM sensitivity by DogDude · · Score: 1

    There have been a handful of people who've come into my place of work, looked up at our lights and have said, "I'm so glad that you have incandescent lighting. Fluorescent lights really bother my EM sensitivity" or something to that effect. All of our lights are CFL (but look like incandescent).

    --
    I don't respond to AC's.
    1. Re:Fun with EM sensitivity by Misagon · · Score: 1

      That's not EHS. Those people are bothered by the low-frequency flicker of older types of fluorescent lights that use magnetic ballasts - especially older or low-quality lamps with or older or low-quality ballasts. The flicker can get as low as half of the power supply frequency, where it is just at the limit of being visible.
      Modern lamps and CFLs use electronic ballasts that operate at a much higher frequency, and that is why they don't bother people.

      --
      "We mustn't be caught by surprise by our own advancing technology" -- Aldous Huxley
    2. Re:Fun with EM sensitivity by WheezyJoe · · Score: 1

      Old-style big-tube fluorescents can be annoying, but not for some dumb EM sensitivity - they cause headaches because they can hum and strobe/flicker at a just perceptible frequency, particularly when their ballasts are wearing out and/or in combination with viewing a CRT-style computer screen (which itself is also flickering). Your handful of people may have gotten conditioned by this. I can remember getting killer headaches pulling all-nighter code sessions on a library workstation with such lights buzzing away in the ceiling.

      Industry experts acknowledge that day-to-day exposure to older, magnetically ballasted long tube fluorescent bulbs found mostly in industrial and institutional settings could cause headaches due to their noticeable flicker rate. The human brain can detect the 60 cycles per second such older bulbs need to refresh themselves to keep putting out light.

      CFLs, on the other hand, refresh themselves at between 10,000 and 40,000 cycles per second, rates too fast for the human eye or brain to detect. I was skeptical of them at first, but since they colored down to soft-white, CFL's don't bother me in the slightest.

      --
      Take it easy, Charlie, I've got an Angle...
    3. Re:Fun with EM sensitivity by omnichad · · Score: 1

      CFL's do have electronic ballasts with a much higher frequency than the 60Hz of the standard ballast on tube fluorescent lights.

      That wouldn't be EM sensitivity. It would be from actually seeing the flicker (or not actually seeing it - it may be sub-perceptual and still cause headaches. Yes, I made up sub-perceptual because I don't know the right words).

    4. Re:Fun with EM sensitivity by ImprovOmega · · Score: 1

      I had a friend sensitive to that. He could perceive things at just fast enough of a framerate to notice the flicker in old style fluorescent bulbs and projector flicker in old films (before digital) that used low frame rates.

  39. Re:People need to learn to stop giving a shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, in principal I agree with you. But in reality I'd be irked if some whiny idiot started encouraging more whiny idiots to move next door to me. I'd tell them to piss off when they demanded I changed my lamps, but you know, wouldn't be happy to have them in my place to start with making my employees miserable in the process.

  40. What's a slanging match? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, I've *never* heard that expression. Is it people trying to invent new slang?

    1. Re:What's a slanging match? by IRGlover · · Score: 1

      Its a British term meaning an argument or heated discussion

  41. Re: What I wrote's nonsense dave420? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have no idea what your complaint is dude. You need to take a pill or smoke a bowl. Relax... It's /. It's nothing serious...

    That should be /.'s new tagline, "is nothing serious." Because more than half the shit on here is just that.

  42. Re:What I wrote's nonsense dave420? by dave420 · · Score: 1

    Someone's off his meds again it seems. Let it go, APK. That was last week, and you're still all butthurt that obvious flaws in your software exist. Instead on working to fix them, you turn on the people who highlight them. I feel really sorry for you.

  43. Re:People need to learn to stop giving a shit by jimbolauski · · Score: 1
    You seem to be missing a lot, so I'll try to clarify the issues. When there is a 30% increase in the size of a town you need 30% more houses, 30% more food, 30% more water, a fire department that can handle 30% more fires, 30% more crimes. None of those are the real issue, the real issue is the 30% voting block that could elect Mayor Crazy Pants and turn their town into crazy town where florescent lights are banned neon lights are banned all on the whim of a crazy person.

    Are they interfering with your life? No? Then shut the hell up and mind your own business.

    That's what the people in the town are tying to do but crazy people are demanding that they stop using using neon lights in their business, stop using florescent lights in their business.

    --
    Knowledge = Power
    P= W/t
    t=Money
    Money = Work/Knowledge so the less you know the more you make
  44. Re:What I wrote's nonsense dave420? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're evading questions asked of you as was said you'd do dave420.

  45. Re:People need to learn to stop giving a shit by hhas · · Score: 2

    Forty untreated psychotics, you mean. Sorry, I wouldn't want them next door either. Meds or GTFO.

  46. Re:What I wrote's nonsense dave420? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see in apk's post a quote you agree with his points on hosts. Changing your tune now dave420?

  47. Simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just go Purge Day on them. Declare a day where they shut down the research antennas and declare all radio fair game. Then glue some plastic soup bowls to the ends of toy guns and chase the whackjobs out of town with "radio death rays".

  48. There is evidence... but it's classified by faway · · Score: 1

    Militaries have been working on microwave weapons for decades...

    1. Re:There is evidence... but it's classified by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 1

      Microwave weapons rely on simple heating, just like a microwave oven. Thermal effects of high intensity RF fields are well known and widely applied.

      These "EHS" nutjobs are claiming symptoms at signal levels FAR below those that cause thermal effects. There is no known mechanism for such weak RF fields to cause the symptoms claimed.

      --
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    2. Re:There is evidence... but it's classified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no known mechanism for such weak RF fields to cause the symptoms claimed.

      I bet its the same thing as homeopathy where both sides are obsessed with some idiotic theory an initial person came up with (the remedies are *not* free of the active ingredient due to the way they take samples from the sides of the container each time). In reality there is probably a very simple explanation.

  49. dave420 "defends himself" by ac & evasion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Answer questions dave420 http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    or

    * Are you just butthurt over being exposed in your TRUE MOTIVES as a webmaster or advertiser here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ?

    APK

    P.S.=> Answer = Yes... lol, you were just (& you're MAKING me just HAVE to say it, as per usual, vs. easily EXPOSED TROLLS like YOU) "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'" to "FLUSH OUT" of the brush as to your motives in trolling/stalking/harassing me - what's the matter dave420? Can't take what YOU DISH OUT? apk

    1. Re:dave420 "defends himself" by ac & evasion? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      What on earth do hostfiles have to do with choosing between Apache or Nginx? Sorry, this is getting silly.

      And making an on-topic recommendation like that doesn't appear in any way to be an advertisement, as far as I can tell. What "true motives" are you saying he has? And how do they relate to you, personally?

    2. Re:dave420 "defends himself" by ac & evasion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Learn to read. dave420 admits bugging apk. Apk crapped all over him for it rightfully.

    3. Re:dave420 "defends himself" by ac & evasion? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      How does that justify clogging up everyone else's feed with off-topic spam? Answer: it doesn't.

  50. Whole House Plug by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 4, Funny

    They could have just opted for "science" and the incredibly cheap $50 Whole House Plug Neutralizer and neutralize those bad boy EMFs :)

    http://www.amazon.com/Aulterra...

  51. small town doesn't like outsiders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A small town doesn't like outsiders moving in.

    That's hardly news. My experience has been the small the town, the meaner the people. Sure, if you're one of them, Great! You might even be the local weirdo/nerd. But stand against the status-quo and the true nastiness & intolerance shows through.

  52. Re:People need to learn to stop giving a shit by Headw1nd · · Score: 1

    Wow, you've got yourself a crazy stalker. Sorry to see that.

  53. Re:What I wrote's nonsense dave420? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would anyone do extensive hostfile filtering? Is it because they aren't smart enough to properly configure a router?

  54. so you claim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can science prove that I can feel a drop of moonlight on my hand, shining ?

    Can science show why I can sense the aura of fruits, trees, animals, humans, with my hands or with a simple rod ? Or are you saying that I can't, while I have obviously done that. I can teach anyone in an hour, unless they have their minds shut down.

    No you haven't obviously done that. you're simply claiming that you have obviously done that; learn the difference.

  55. Re:What I wrote's nonsense dave420? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?

    You mean you actually have a product, not just spam? What's the URL?

  56. They are nuts by PPH · · Score: 1

    A friend of mine works in the disability insurance area. He described n attempt to accommodate people claiming multiple chemical sensitivity. One solution tried (and finally abandoned) was to build an apartment complex to very strict standards, eliminating volatile chemicals, paints, etc. And to institute rules against residents bringing in perfumes, soaps, and an entire range of chemicals. All of this instead of seeking out individual residences suitably isolated from neighbors and typical background chemical traces.

    The residence rapidly devolved into screaming matches between the afflicted. With each sufferer accusing their neighbors of faking their sensitivity while insisting that only theirs was legitimate. It turns out that they all know subconsciously that its root cause is psychological. And so they project their behavior onto the surrounding patients.

    --
    Have gnu, will travel.
  57. Welcome to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    America, the profoundly uneducated.

  58. Re:What I wrote's nonsense dave420? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Posting anonymously, because this dude is dangerous.

    APK: If you can't see that you are sounding and acting like a crazy man frightening pedestrians on the street corner, then you need to broaden your vision a bit and think about your effect on the world. It isn't a good one. You are acting on wildly unfounded assumptions as though they were hard fact with no uncertainty. This is irrational. You are not helping or fighting the good fight or anything like that. You're sick. You're STALKING people, and you think this makes sense.

    As an outside observer, I can tell you that you are scary and creepy and wrong.

    Get help. No kidding. Before you hurt somebody close to you. Like, what if a granny looks at you funny and you think that she's this dave420 guy come to spy on you? What will stop you from acting on another one of your unprovable assumptions which seems perfectly correct to you?

    Get help. Do it now.

  59. Why did Hitler commit suicide? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He got his gas bill.

  60. Here's an idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take pictures of those who claim to be electrosensitive, compile a database of those people and their families, then refuse to serve those assholes in the stores, in the markets, in the restaurants, at the gas pumps. Tell them that if they ever set one pinky toe in any of their establishments that they'll be arrested for trespassing. Make it impossible for them to get any of their necessities. See how long they'll enjoy life in that town when it's all turned against them.

    1. Re:Here's an idea. by omnichad · · Score: 1

      That would be discriminating against a disability. Depending on who you ask, that disability would either be a psychosomatic/mental disorder or a real illness - but both are probably protected under the ADA.

      So all that would do is put a very hard to defeat lawsuit on your hands.

    2. Re:Here's an idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No that would be discriminating against a troublemaker. Last time I worked in retail (nationwide hardware store) we could (and did) ban people for being problem customers (shoplifting, arguing excessively with management, taking a pee in the lumber dept. you know the usual)

  61. Question Answered by CauseBy · · Score: 1

    "People would walk towards [one woman] with concealed electronics, in an effort to provoke a reaction."

    And there was no reaction. Therefore the claimed illness is total bullshit.

    Live in a cave if you want, believe bullshit if you want, make nutty claims if you want -- and meanwhile, the rest of us will laugh at you and make fun of your stupidity by doing things like standing near you with concealed electronics. That's freedom.

    Next question, please. This one is answered.

  62. Re:1% of the energy it takes to kill you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Correction: 1% of 8 watts, spread over the two square meters of the body nets us the ICNIRP standard that all cell phone companies go by.

  63. Easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The long-time residents should mount large, scary-looking antennas on their homes and in their yards--receive-only, or not even wired in. Since EM sensitivity appears to be a psychosomatic illness, those afflicted will become uncomfortable and leave.

  64. Re:What I wrote's nonsense dave420? by barryvoeten · · Score: 1

    Yeah Dave, that is nonsense. Good.

  65. Hey, I have sensitivity to fluorescent lighting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a computer technician and I bathe is Wifi signals all day long, but fluorescent lighting does bother me. I can understand how someone might attribute the lights bothering them to the evil magnetic fields. The problem is that those lights cycle at 60hz and bother my eyes. They have glasses for that sort of thing.

    The other option is to just not go into the store with the bad lighting, instead of bitching and moaning about it.

  66. Yes, let's concentrate them all in one place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We can call it a "concentration camp"...

  67. barryvoeten: disprove these validly then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (beyond malicious ads: See 2-10 next)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop communication to C&C servers
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop communication to C&C servers
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop communication to C&C servers
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. bandwidth caps
    11.) Get you past a dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up websurfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on ANY webbound app (think stand-alone email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily texteditor controlled data for the above
    16.) Do all that & block ads (better than addons) more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on AdBlock doing it as well or at all!

    APK

    P.S.=> AdBlock does FAR less than hosts do & FAR less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    AdBlock's 4++gb & 100% CPU usage flooring inefficiency -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... + ClarityRay defeats it + it 'souled-out' & is crippled by default paid off to not do its job http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... & ABP too http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...

    AdBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    AdBlock's SLOWER than hosts: http://superuser.com/questions...

    For the BEST hosts file?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    ... apk

  68. If you don't open your eyes, you can't see by Misagon · · Score: 1

    The quote from the article says:

    No serious scientific study has been able to establish that electrosensitivity exists ....

    There are literally thousands of studies that have confirmed that electromagnetic hypersensitivity (EHS) exists. The intra-cellular mechanism has been discovered independently by different research teams composed of credited scientists in the field at major well-regarded universities in different parts of the globe.

    But of course, a study about something that does not exist can not be "serious", now can it?

    Here are the search terms to google for: Voltage-Gated Calcium Canals (VGCC), NO-ONOO cycle.
    There are a couple of very good videos about it on Youtube, by professor Martin Pall. I very much recommend them, especially how he debunks earlier studies that had claimed that electrosensitivity wouldn't exist.

    BTW, 40 people are nothing. The associations for people with electrohypersensitive disorders have thousands of members that would love to move to a town like Green Bank.

    --
    "We mustn't be caught by surprise by our own advancing technology" -- Aldous Huxley
    1. Re:If you don't open your eyes, you can't see by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      What is the proposed mechanism for the EM radiation interfering with ion channels? I googled Martin Pall and he seems to implicate the NO-ONOO in multiple chemical sensitivity as well... there wouldn't likely be any overlap there, which would start to get some clicks on the BS-o-meter.

    2. Re:If you don't open your eyes, you can't see by Misagon · · Score: 1

      Indeed, a significant portion of people with EHS are known to suffer from MCS as well. He brings that up in his talk.

      The good news is that this points to it being likely that it is not EM radiation alone that would have triggered EHS in these individuals.

      --
      "We mustn't be caught by surprise by our own advancing technology" -- Aldous Huxley
  69. Re:What I wrote's nonsense dave420? by omnichad · · Score: 1

    Dave420 is not the one squirming. All of the rest of us are from having to see your repeated off-topic posts. He was on-topic and had something thoughtful to say. You do not. A HOSTS file simply isn't relevant to the discussion.

    By the way, I do my DNS filtering at RING -1 - on the router. No impact on computer performance, centralized management, and OS Agnostic filtering.

    Oh, and I'm perfectly happy not blocking any sites, because I know how to use the Internet. So that's a centrally managed empty hosts file.

  70. Re:What I wrote's nonsense dave420? by omnichad · · Score: 1

    Considering he spams these answers just about everywhere, I could answer off the top of my head. The DNS results are cached in-memory and run in kernel memory space and so it's faster than any sort of software filtering such as ad-block. Technically, that's faster than maintaining a hosts file on a router or doing any router-level filtering like OpenDNS, but it's not exactly convenient. Especially if you own multiple computers and devices.

  71. Interesting mix by mbone · · Score: 1

    It's like a social science experiment.

    I have done work with the NRAO at Green Bank (I was technical lead on one of the 20 meter telescopes) and the vast majority of the people who live in Green Bank work for the NRAO (or are part of the family of someone who does). There are, in other words, a lot more PhDs than in most small country towns (even though it looks like a small country town). These are people who are used to having evidence to back up their beliefs.

    Now, you take this set of people and add in a bunch of people with (shall we say) poorly evidenced medical ideas, and there is no surprise there is friction.

    1. Re:Interesting mix by thejesses · · Score: 1

      I drive through Green Bank every september as part of a motorcycle ride, and calling it a "small country town" is giving it all the best. The GBT is quite an impressive sight to behold.

  72. Re:What I wrote's nonsense dave420? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Say "apk you won" if that crap's best ya got dave420 (you're a webmaster from apk's post).

  73. Re:What flaws dave420? by omnichad · · Score: 1

    People don't evade AC comments intentionally. I personally have notifications turned off for AC replies and have no motivation for turning them on. Sorry, if you reply I won't get it unless you sign up for an account. You might as well - everyone knows who you are already.

    If you feel that it's OK to spam Slashdot, you shouldn't get so upset if I reply to each one.

  74. I agree--it's JUST like homeopathy--- by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 1

    Complete and unmitigated BULLSHIT, that is....

    --
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    1. Re: I agree--it's JUST like homeopathy--- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, if you look up what the homeopathic method actually is you find out these dilutions are not really dilutions, the amount of solute asymptotes eventually. Incredibly, no one has been checking their claims that none of the initial ingrediants remain. There is probaby some similar confusion going on here, somewhere there is math being misapplied due to bad assumptions and lazy investigation.

  75. Re:What flaws dave420? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Odd then that dave420 replied to apk here stupid http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  76. What I wrote's nonsense dave420 (by ac)? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)

    Why'd you agree w/ my points on hosts then? Quoting you here:

    "I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    Of course you're not: It's impossible to dispute FACT on HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!

    Since my points of fact in favor of hosts SINGLE FILE native kernelmode faster part show hosts doing more, with less, vs. so-called 'competitors' many part messagepassing + other overheads laden slower usermode FAR MORE COMPLEX 'solutions' doing less than hosts do for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity online!

    I make creating a superior more efficient solution EASIER!

    (Which is more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).

    ---

    "I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)

    Then WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT & use 'em? Answer that!

    (You stalk/harass me instead!)

    I bother you? Use them!

    OBVIOUSLY, you don't & you're just a "ne'er-do-well" troll, OR you have "other motivations" (see next):

    ---

    * QUESTION:

    DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , or ARE YOU A MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?

    Answer that!

    No, instead as per your usual, you'll avoid every question, or lie!

    (You can't EVER "get the best of me" & you know it, witness the above - & their "so-called 'solutions' are INFERIOR TO MINE on TONS of levels, OR YOU'D USE THEM, merely evidencing their stupidity in & of itself via inferior designwork & YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED as to your "true motives" in that last link above!)

    APK

    P.S.=> SEE Dave420 SQUIRM - evasions galore from him will ensue, guaranteed... apk

  77. Re:What I wrote's nonsense dave420? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like YOU are stalking/harassing dave420 via comments.

    captcha: godsend

  78. Re:People need to learn to stop giving a shit by catsRus · · Score: 1

    Seems to me everyone that believes in any "isim" is trying to force us to bend to their neuroses.

  79. omniweasel, you're personally going to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: "eat your words" vs. what I put up vs. quoting you:

    "Your hosts file comments are not trustworthy" - by omnichad (1198475) on Friday August 09, 2013 @11:22AM (#44520759) Homepage

    Oh, really? Ok:

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who has seen & verified its sourcecode too no less as safe) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ---

    Tells us, omniweasel:

    * HOW'S IT TASTE "EATING YOUR WORDS" flavored with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH ramming them down spiced with the BITTER TASTE of SELF-DEFEAT", omniweasel? LMAO...

    APK

    P.S.=> You also conceded MANY points on hosts to me & made huge mistakes vs. me here http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... and here too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... lol, @ U, "omniweasel"... apk

  80. Re:What I wrote's nonsense dave420? by Coren22 · · Score: 1
    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  81. omniweasel, how's it taste "eating your words"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: On a quote of you giving me guff on hosts:

    "Your hosts file comments are not trustworthy" - by omnichad (1198475) on Friday August 09, 2013 @11:22AM (#44520759) Homepage

    Oh, really? Ok:

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who has seen & verified its sourcecode too no less as safe) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ---

    Tells us, omniweasel:

    * HOW'S IT TASTE "EATING YOUR WORDS" flavored with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH ramming them down spiced with the BITTER TASTE of SELF-DEFEAT", omniweasel? LMAO...

    APK

    P.S.=> You also conceded MANY points on hosts to me & made huge mistakes vs. me here http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... and here too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... lol, @ U, "omniweasel"... apk

    1. Re:omniweasel, how's it taste "eating your words"? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      This doesn't exactly answer my question. All it does is prove that you have a vendetta against literally everyone.

    2. Re:omniweasel, how's it taste "eating your words"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You start it. apk finishes it + you with it like w\ dave420. I'm curious: How'd eating your words taste when you say apk's posts on hosts aren't trustworthy yet every antivirus out there says his program's safe and the best of them all even host his ware for him? You got anything like that to your name? Doubt it. All you have is eating your words. You fools are too dumb to mess with him and he trashes you both at every turn. It's hilarious to watch.

    3. Re:omniweasel, how's it taste "eating your words"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quit projectin! Ya answer our question on how fuckin stupid ya are eating yer words http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    4. Re:omniweasel, how's it taste "eating your words"? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I said your comments aren't trustworthy. I wasn't talking about your software. Like - you can't trust them to be on-topic or relevant or new in any way.

  82. Re:What I wrote's nonsense dave420? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    dave420 you start it. Apk finished you w\ it by your words http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  83. AlmostAllAdsBlocked+ = Inferior + 'SouledOut' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ab+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (beyond ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stops C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stops C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stops C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you past a dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do all that & block ads (better than addons) more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on ab+ doing it + hosts = already on every device natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).

    +

    ClarityRay defeats it detecting it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods to do so!

    +

    Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...

    Ab+ adds complexity from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    What's better?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/... ... apk

    1. Re:AlmostAllAdsBlocked+ = Inferior + 'SouledOut' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You undoubtedly know more about the subject than me, as I don't care as much as you.

      However, there is something I realise that seems to elude you. You are pushing a product in a manner which alienates the very people who are most likely to use it. Your off-topic rants and your personal war with dave420 are not likely to make you any friends or users.

      Anon because I don't really want to be stalked myself.

    2. Re:AlmostAllAdsBlocked+ = Inferior + 'SouledOut' by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I attempted to reply to every point you have, but unfortunately your style is so bad even the lamness filter doesn't like it.

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  84. Re:Brand Specific Frequencies by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 1

    Brand-specific frequencies?

    "I don't mind WiFi signals usually, but that 2.4GHz coming off Netgear routers really gets to me. And don't get me started on the 4G (700MHz) signals coming from my AT&T Android phone; that's why I have to use an iPhone on the US Cellular network!"

    Yeah, I can see people believing that.

    Hell, I can even imagine wireless providers /marketing/ to people like that. "Use our new HEALTHY-4G network, designed from the ground up for EM-sensitive users! Sure it costs twice as much, but isn't being able to use a phone without worrying worth the price?". The wireless providers could make a mint. It would be like marketing "organic" food, except without actually having to do anything. They may need to recruit the advertisers who work for Monster Cables first, though.

  85. EMR is harmless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Electromagnetic Radiation can't hurt you and anyone who says they are sensitive to it are liars. To prove it I will stand in front of this 1600W radio transmitter and it can't hurt me. I will also put my hand in this microwave oven and it won't get hot. This spectrum analyzer is reporting that there are emanations in the area and it is lying because your body is not made of materials that have a potential to resonate in the presence of EMR. People are different from the constituent matter they are built out of and don't have the capacity raise the electrons in your atoms to higher energy states when exposed to certain frequencies. Sun exposure can not burn your skin. Stupid people. You can't even see most of the electomagnetic emissions.

  86. You're "eating your words" dave420 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I post's nonsense? See subject & you quoted:

    "I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)

    Why'd you agree w/ my points on hosts then? Quoting you here:

    "I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    Of course you're not: It's impossible to dispute FACT on HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!

    My points of fact in favor of hosts SINGLE FILE native kernelmode faster part show hosts doing more, with less, vs. so-called 'competitors' many part messagepassing + other overheads laden slower usermode FAR MORE COMPLEX 'solutions' doing less than hosts do for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity online!

    I make creating a superior more efficient solution EASIER!

    (Which is more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).

    ---

    "I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)

    Then WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT? Answer that!

    (You stalk/harass me instead!)

    I bother you? Use them! You don't & you're just a "ne'er-do-well" troll, OR you have "other motives" (see next):

    ---

    * QUESTION:

    DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , or ARE YOU A MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?

    Answer that!

    No, instead you'll avoid every question, or lie!

    (You can't EVER "get the best of me" & you know it, witness the above - & their "so-called 'solutions' are INFERIOR TO MINE on TONS of levels, OR YOU'D USE THEM, merely evidencing their stupidity in & of itself via inferior designwork & YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED as to your "true motives" in that last link above!)

    APK

    P.S.=> SEE Dave420 SQUIRM - evasions galore from him will ensue, guaranteed... apk

  87. What he hell is "Slanging"? by SeaFox · · Score: 1

    A meeting she and her husband organised to help educate the others about electrosensitivity descended into a slanging match.

    I don't know that "Slanging" is, but I doubt they had a meeting marked by heavy cocaine use as Urban Dictionary says.

  88. Re:What I wrote's nonsense dave420? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i am so sorry

  89. Considering you had to "eat your words"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    *:)

    (You don't seem to be answering the main question there after you shot your piehole off only to have to eat your puke afterwards... lol!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Tell us, omniwuss: HOW DID IT TASTE "eating your words" FLAVORED w/ your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH "ramming them down" spiced with the BITTER taste of SELF-DEFEAT? - well? Silence is golden & says it all, lol - "odd" you "went silent" after your tirade there to me first, eh? NOT, lmao... apk

    1. Re:Considering you had to "eat your words"? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      If you didn't notice, you're little personal war had you replying to me yet ignoring someone who was actually asking about your hosts file.

      The comment you're replying to has me speaking on your behalf (since you didn't do it) and explaining to them why it works better than other methods, speedwise.

      I don't at all question that it's the fastest option for DNS queries and blocking sites by hostname. Back in this original thread you're enjoying linking to, I simply stated that most of us have sufficiently fast computers with CPU cycles to spare and that fastest isn't necessarily best.

      P.S. I "went silent" because I don't get notifications of replies from AC's. But since I know you're off your meds this week, I decided to go looking for your replies to see what you're saying this time.

  90. Better than "eating your words" like U by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    *:)

    (You don't seem to be answering the main question there after you shot your piehole off only to have to eat your puke afterwards... lol!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Tell us, omniwuss: HOW DID IT TASTE "eating your words" FLAVORED w/ your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH "ramming them down" spiced with the BITTER taste of SELF-DEFEAT? - well? Silence is golden & says it all, lol - "odd" you "went silent" after your tirade there to me first, eh? NOT, lmao... apk

  91. Have YOU had to "eat your words"? Yes, lol! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    *:)

    (You don't seem to be answering the main question there after you shot your piehole off only to have to eat your puke afterwards... lol!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Tell us, omniwuss: HOW DID IT TASTE "eating your words" FLAVORED w/ your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH "ramming them down" spiced with the BITTER taste of SELF-DEFEAT? - well? Silence is golden & says it all, lol - "odd" you "went silent" after your tirade there to me first, eh? NOT, lmao... apk

  92. Yes he is: He ran. I do it w/ 1 file... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & you "ate your words" -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    *:)

    ANYONE CAN SINCE HOSTS ARE NATIVE TO THEIR OS & IN KERNELMODE (vs. usermode like most DNS server programs that have more moving parts, security exploits galore, + eat more resources, & same with browser addons being even worse) , & MOST ROUTERS CAN'T DO IT WELL DUE TO LACK OF RAM, stupid...

    (You don't seem to be answering the main question there after you shot your piehole off only to have to eat your puke afterwards... lol!)

    DID YOU LIKE "EATING YOUR WORDS" HERE, YET AGAIN?

    BY THE WAY: Router exploits, anyone? Oh, tell us THOSE don't happen too, bigshot...

    R O T F L M A O @ how EASY it is to outsmart you cretins... lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> Tell us, omniwuss: HOW DID IT TASTE "eating your words" FLAVORED w/ your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH "ramming them down" spiced with the BITTER taste of SELF-DEFEAT? - well? Silence is golden & says it all, lol - "odd" you "went silent" after your tirade there to me first, eh? NOT, lmao... apk

  93. Re:What I wrote's nonsense dave420? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Yes, what you write is nonsense. You come across as someone with a mental disorder, possibly related to stalking. You imagine that people care about hosts files just like you do, and you post anonymously so that no one can use your own techniques of bashing people with posts until they concede.

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  94. "Inquiring mind want to know", lmao... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How's it TASTE "eating your words", omnichad? See here http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    * :)

    (A smoky flavor, perhaps? LMAO - you burnt yourself, so THAT might make some sense... lol!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, there's ALWAYS that "bitter taste of SELF-DEFEAT" in the mix too (lol) along with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH "ramming it down", spiced with the taste of you having to eat your puke, lol... apk

    1. Re:"Inquiring mind want to know", lmao... apk by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I'm not really tasting anything. I don't feel a burn either. I think you overestimate how much I care about this supposed years-long war that I'm not party to.

    2. Re:"Inquiring mind want to know", lmao... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you on topic? You bitched on apk that way. Pot calling a kettle black, hypocrite?

  95. Re:What flaws dave420? by omnichad · · Score: 1

    It's not odd. He's either watching for it, or he has his account set up to track AC replies.

    Also - why are you talking about yourself in the third person?

  96. Trusting you to not "eat your words" vs. me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject - IMPOSSIBLE, lol: U always DO vs. myself -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    * :)

    (Kind of tough to deny, isn't it, when it's YOUR OWN MESS you have to suck up, eh?)

    APK

    P.S.=> Besides - you started it with me then too, no questions asked... & now your BUTTHURT ASS is clearly projecting about "having a vendetta" here & shows itself to be just that - projecting your OWN "special level" of STUPID giving away your own "modus operandi", right here, easily -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    QUESTION:

    Is your FAVORITE COLOR 'transparent'? Has to be - you're "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'" to SEE right thru as to your motives, omniWEASEL... lol! apk

    1. Re:Trusting you to not "eat your words" vs. me? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Your replies are getting even more disjointed. I can't even read this one. This is when you will get the last word - because you're making so little sense there is literally nothing left to reply to.

      I'm not saying this as an attack on intelligence, because it's not. It's just that people with schizophrenia tend to see connections between ideas that other people do not. And it makes communication quite difficult.

  97. I'll take radio-sensitivity over God anyday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I personally prefer the crazy that is radio-sensitivity over the delusion of God anyday.

    You don't see the radio-sensitive killing people over their delusions, or saying your kids should become radio-sensitive, or declaring that their form of radio-sensitivity is the one true form and all other forms are heresy.

    And better yet, we can actually PROVE that they are delusional, and don't have to rely on putting the burden of proof on their side of their claims.

    So if you gave me a choice of being radio-sensitive vs. being religious, I'll take radio-sensitive for 300.

  98. Re:What flaws dave420? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not odd seeing apk make you "eat your words" again omnichad http://slashdot.org/comments.p... and you started it with him there too stupid where he drew the quote of your own words from too. Projecting your special level of stupid is no way to live life either http://slashdot.org/comments.p... talk about giving up the ghost on you being frustrated at how easily apk makes you look foolish every single time your dumb ass tried him.

  99. Not any router does it well's why... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject, nuff said (RAM on most != enough for large deny lists).

    APK

    P.S.=> NOT unless you want to spend some POTENTIALLY SERIOUS CASH for things like CISCO routers, or others, that MOST FOLKS DO NOT HAVE THAT KIND OF RAM on their ISP modems for instance, as far as router blocklists: BUT?

    YES, they DO have a native to their OS run in kernelmode speed hosts file though!

    My program makes it EASY TO POPULATE IT for security, anonymity & RELIABILITY + SPEED (especially vs. remote DNS) & more efficiently BY FAR vs. "almost all ads blocked" & the like!

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... akp

  100. What I post's nonsense dave420? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)

    Why'd you agree w/ my points on hosts then? Quoting you here:

    "I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    Of course you're not: It's impossible to dispute FACT on HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!

    Since my points of fact in favor of hosts SINGLE FILE native kernelmode faster part show hosts doing more, with less, vs. so-called 'competitors' many part messagepassing + other overheads laden slower usermode FAR MORE COMPLEX 'solutions' doing less than hosts do for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity online!

    I make creating a superior more efficient solution EASIER!

    (Which is more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).

    ---

    "I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)

    Then WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT & use 'em? Answer that!

    (You stalk/harass me instead!)

    I bother you? Use them!

    OBVIOUSLY, you don't & you're just a "ne'er-do-well" troll, OR you have "other motivations" (see next):

    ---

    * QUESTION:

    DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , or ARE YOU A MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?

    Answer that!

    No, instead as per your usual, you'll avoid every question, or lie!

    (You can't EVER "get the best of me" & you know it, witness the above - & their "so-called 'solutions' are INFERIOR TO MINE on TONS of levels, OR YOU'D USE THEM, merely evidencing their stupidity in & of itself via inferior designwork & YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED as to your "true motives" in that last link above!)

    APK

    P.S.=> SEE Dave420 SQUIRM - evasions galore from him will ensue, guaranteed... apk

  101. Illogical failing ad hominem attacks now? LOL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    omnichad: "Eating your words" != GOOD nutrition -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    * That's right, & YOU ONLY DID THAT TO YOURSELF, stupid!

    (Resorting to ad hominem attacks directed my way too? Illogic "logic" FAIL on your part vs. myself, as always... grow a BRAIN, puh-leese - you NEED one fool!)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're right - I can't attack intelligence, but then again? YOU CONSTANTLY SHOW US YOU HAVE NONE @ ALL whatsoever, lol... apk

  102. What I post's nonsense dave420? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)

    Why'd you agree w/ my points on hosts then? Quoting you here:

    "I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    Of course you're not: It's impossible to dispute FACT on HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!

    Since my points of fact in favor of hosts SINGLE FILE native kernelmode faster part show hosts doing more, with less, vs. so-called 'competitors' many part messagepassing + other overheads laden slower usermode FAR MORE COMPLEX 'solutions' doing less than hosts do for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity online!

    I make creating a superior more efficient solution EASIER!

    (Which is more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).

    ---

    "I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)

    Then WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT & use 'em? Answer that!

    (You stalk/harass me instead!)

    I bother you? Use them!

    OBVIOUSLY, you don't & you're just a "ne'er-do-well" troll, OR you have "other motivations" (see next):

    ---

    * QUESTION:

    DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , or ARE YOU A MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?

    Answer that!

    No, instead as per your usual, you'll avoid every question, or lie!

    (You can't EVER "get the best of me" & you know it, witness the above - & their "so-called 'solutions' are INFERIOR TO MINE on TONS of levels, OR YOU'D USE THEM, merely evidencing their stupidity in & of itself via inferior designwork & YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED as to your "true motives" in that last link above!)

    APK

    P.S.=> SEE Dave420 SQUIRM - evasions galore from him will ensue, guaranteed... apk

  103. What I post's nonsense dave420? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)

    Why'd you agree w/ my points on hosts then? Quoting you here:

    "I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    Of course you're not: It's impossible to dispute HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!

    Since my points of fact in favor of hosts SINGLE FILE native kernelmode faster part show hosts doing more with less, vs. so-called 'competitors' many part messagepassing + other overheads laden slower usermode FAR MORE COMPLEX 'solutions' doing less than hosts do for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity online!

    I make creating a superior more efficient solution EASIER!

    (That's more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).

    ---

    "I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)

    Then WHY DON'T YOU DO IT & use 'em? Answer that!

    (You stalk/harass me instead!)

    I bother you? Use 'em!

    OBVIOUSLY you don't & you're a "ne'er-do-well" troll, & you have "other motivations" (see next):

    ---

    * QUESTION:

    DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , or ARE YOU A MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?

    Answer it!

    No, instead as per your usual you'll avoid every question, or lie!

    (You can't EVER "get the best of me" & you know it, witness the above - & your "so-called 'solutions' = INFERIOR TO HOSTS on TONS of levels OR YOU'D USE THEM, merely evidencing stupidity in & of itself via inferior designwork + your REFUSAL to use 'em despite your statements & YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED in your "true motives" in that last link!)

    APK

    P.S.=> SEE Dave420 SQUIRM - evasions galore from him will ensue... apk

  104. Re:What I wrote's nonsense dave420? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Parsing /etc/hosts in kernel mode would be stupid, and I don't think any OS does that. It's more likely parsed by system libraries (winsock, glibc?) in user space.

    One advantage of DNS filtering that you missed though is the ability to wildcard-block entire domains. As far as I am aware, hosts files can do nothing of the sort, but I'm willing to be proved wrong on this.

  105. It's NOT polite to talk w/ your mouth full by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & this: "Eating your words" http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    * EATING YOUR WORDS != GOOD NUTRITION, omniweasel!

    APK

    P.S.=> You don't seem to want to ANSWER on how they tasted either? Like puke?? They ought to... lol! apk

  106. Not polite to talk w/ your mouth full... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & this: "Eating your words" http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    * EATING YOUR WORDS != GOOD NUTRITION, omniweasel!

    (You don't seem to want to ANSWER on how they tasted either? Like puke?? They ought to... lol!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Lastly: Vs. yourself? I *do* feel as if I have been discriminating vs. a cretin - see above, it's proof, & YOUR OWN WORDS quoted showing your *special kind* of utter stupidity... lol! apk

  107. Re:What I post's nonsense dave420? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK, I demand you take down your hosts file as they cause electromagnetic radiation that is harmful to my spleen.

  108. Coren22 "eats his words" ABP vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Hosts vs. AlmostAllAdsBlocked+ http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & guess what stupid?

    YOU STARTED IT - I merely utterly FINISHED IT & YOU WITH IT, due to your stupidity!

    * :)

    (Is your "FoAmiNg-@-TeH-MouTh" illogical ad hominem attacks directed my way FAILING TOTALLY helping YOU any, vs. the above? No... lmao!)

    Lastly:

    Is it MY FAULT you're STUPID ENOUGH to be a "registered 'luser'" sheep that's EASILY TRACKED for re-trolling, moron?

    NO!

    It's yours, dolt... you lose for being so stupid yet again, lol! Remember - YOU STARTED IT, & I easily shut you the FUCK up... easily.

    APK

    P.S.=> You FAIL, fool - as always vs. "yours truly" (the "Lord of HOSTS" so-to-speak)... apk

  109. Tcpip.sys IS PnP kernelmode fool... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: I never said otherwise fool!

    APK

    P.S.=> You dumbshits are unbelievable, effetely & VAINLY *trying* to "put words in my mouth" I never ONCE stated... man, unbelievable & by "unidentifiable ac posts" no less! Puh-leese, grow up & give up - you CANNOT beat "the LORD of HOSTS" so-to-speak, here - certainly NOT with bs like that! apk

  110. Re:What I post's nonsense dave420? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not as harmful as dave420's eating his words vs. apk http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  111. Why won't U tell how eatin yer words tastes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & this http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    * WELL?

    (R O T F L M A O!)

    You seem "rather reluctant" to answer the question in the subject omniFOOL... why's that? LOL!

    APK

    P.S.=> You are just MAKING me HAVE to say it, you know that, don't you? Here 'tis:

    THIS? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'" vs. a dolt like omnidouche, like it is every SINGLE time he tries it, lol... apk

  112. In addition to my other post as to why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Read here (where I swept the floor with omnitroll) http://slashdot.org/comments.p... as it adds onto where I SHOT YOU TO PIECES TOO, moron! See below... lmao!

    APK

    P.S.=> It explains a LOT, & *any FOOL* can mess with a router of ANY kind but to do a COMPLETE thorough blocklist on a typical home users' router (vs. say a CISCO)? IMPOSSIBLE!

    There's just not enough RAM & costs are huge, per my other post to you here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ("Read 'em & WEEP" - yes, that's my KNOWING you're just an ac troll "playing games" - Well, I *still* had to SHOOT YOUR DUMB ASS DOWN FOR IT too, stupid...) apk

  113. Re:What I wrote's nonsense dave420? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop stalking people APK. It is just childish. It is antisocial behaviour generally found in mentally-disturbed people.

    Without the diagnosis of a mental health professional it is impossible to discern whether you really are mentally ill or just a cunt.

  114. Re:What I wrote's nonsense dave420? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Squeal some more, little piggy!

  115. Re:1% of the energy it takes to kill you by KGIII · · Score: 1

    Wait until you learn what your monitor is putting out!

    --
    "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  116. Gosh, dave420's posting ac now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: A douche with zero to show for himself posting as unidentifiable ac? Yea, "ok".

    "Whatever an expert like you has to say MUST be 'right'" (not).

    (The day ANY of you morons can do better is the day you get to tell me "how it is"... wannabe 'experts' (not)).

    APK

    P.S.=> I just LOVE it when fools that haven't got a pot to piss in themselves *try* to tell me "how it all works", lol... unbelievable! apk

  117. "Run" some more "Forrest" (dave420) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Keep doing a "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" from this http://slashdot.org/comments.p... you pitiful little douchebag zero... lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> What's it like being a POT PUFFING CLOWN, Dave420? Oh, we know - it shows in being a "ne'er-do-well" FOOL like yourself! apk

  118. What I wrote's nonsense dave420 (ac now)? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)

    Why'd you agree w/ my points on hosts then? Quoting you:

    "I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    Of course not: It's impossible to dispute HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!

    Since my points in favor of hosts SINGLE FILE native kernelmode faster part show hosts doing more w/ less vs. so-called 'competitors' many part messagepassing + cpu/ram use overheads laden slower usermode FAR MORE COMPLEX 'solutions' doing less than hosts do for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity!

    I make creating a superior more efficient solution EASIER!

    (That's more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).

    ---

    "I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)

    I bother you? Then WHY DON'T YOU DO IT & use 'em? Answer that!

    (You stalk/harass me instead!)

    OBVIOUSLY you don't & you're a "ne'er-do-well" troll & you have "other motivations" (next):

    ---

    * QUESTION:

    DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , or a MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?

    Answer it!

    As per your usual you'll avoid every question, or lie!

    ---

    (You can't EVER "get the best of me": You know it! Witness above - your "so-called 'solutions' = INFERIOR TO HOSTS on TONS of levels OR You'd USE 'EM - Evidencing stupidity in & of itself via inferior designwork + your REFUSAL to use 'em despite your statements & YOU'VE BEEN EXPOSED in your "motives" in the last link!)

    APK

    P.S.=> See Dave420 SQUIRM - evasions galore will ensue (as well as effete downmods to *try* vainly "hide it" -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )... apk

  119. To be expected... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have a bunch of scientists in the same place with a bunch of people who are making an irrational claim. How could any of the scientist resist the opportunity to experiment on these people to validate that their claims are irrational.

  120. I am not dave420 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nope, I'm not dave420. Not everyone who thinks you're a twat is dave420. Here's a hint - it's most people who read your posts.

    I don't really expect you to believe that I'm not dave420 even though my posting style is different. You'll make your own mind up, reality be damned.

    Either you're a troll or you need help. I really think you need help.

    I said you you know more about the subject (ad blocking etc, just in case you try to twist my words), because you've looked into it. I have not.
    You're pushing a solution for it. I am not.
    You're interested in the subject. Guess what? I am not.

    Let me spell it out: I don't fucking care about the technical details. I've never argued about it with you, and since I know nothing nearly nothing about the subject I'm not about to start now.

    I posted in the misguided belief that you might (1% chance maybe) not realise how you come across. I freely admit, I was wrong. There is something wrong with you.

    I tried. It was a mistake. I will learn and move on. I suggest you do the same, but I find it very unlikely.

    Again, posting as AC because I don't need a crazy stalker.

  121. Re:People need to learn to stop giving a shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    apk is an ass who deserves all the harassment he gets on /. for his spammy off-topic shitposts.

  122. Re:Coren22 "eats his words" ABP vs. hosts by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    So now I am stupid because I point out your trolling? Keep it up APK, doesn't bother me any, and just demonstrates the mental disorder to everyone.

    You didn't easily shut me up, as I have a registered account with good karma, I cannot be shut up. Have fun trying though.

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  123. Their illness may not be real but their symptoms a by Chris6502 · · Score: 1

    First of all I should mention that I am a resident of Green Bank WV and the people mentioned in the article are known to me. Including Diane Schou.

    Just wanted to say that while the cause of their symptoms can be argued about endlessly the symptoms they have are real and they can be debilitating. The whole issue is no joke to them and as was said by Charlie Meckna, "Do you think I want this?, No!"

    I don't think any of them are trying to pull a fast one or indulging in attention seeking behaviour. The ones I have met are just plain folks.

    --
    UNIX: 'cuz you can tattoo it on your knuckles!
  124. Wi-Fi and other Electromagnetic Waves by Josepdin · · Score: 1

    So, does the town distribute a tinfoil hat to every man, woman, child and dog that live there?

    --
    TV-MA - the Beginning: "Ward, don't you think you were a little hard on the Beaver last night?"
  125. You fail: Hosts vs AlmostAllAdsBlocked+ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Your illogical ad hominem attacks fails vs http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    Fact is?

    You SHUT YOURSELF UP for me right after that - no reply from you there, was there??

    Nope... how could there be? See next below!

    ---

    FACTS:

    Your SOULED-OUT "so-called 'solution'" is WEAK & INEFFICIENT vs. hosts by not doing it's 1 JOB IT HAD RIGHT ANYMORE

    &

    Adblock variants DON'T DO A FRACTION OF WHAT HOSTS CAN for added speed, security, reliability, or anonymity

    +

    AdBlock+ is VERY INEFFICIENT SHOWN IN THAT LINK ABOVE WITH VERIFIABLE CONCRETE PROOF THEREOF with added messagepassing overheads operating in slower USERMODE too vs. hosts!

    APK

    P.S.=> NO questions asked - "argue with the numbers" & facts shown in that link from reputable sources (they're logical, your name tossing isn't)... apk

    1. Re:You fail: Hosts vs AlmostAllAdsBlocked+ by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      APK, they make meds for your issues, you should really look into them. You haven't ever won an argument except in your own head.

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  126. Sarcasm: "Right... we 'believe' you" (not) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello ac dave420! U don't like facts dusting you http://slashdot.org/comments.p... via your OWN WORDS QUOTED contradicting yourself... lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> Dave420, when you blow it as badly as you did?

    CLUE/New News/NewsFlash:

    I don't NEED any help - you're the BEST HELP I COULD *EVER* HAVE quoted contradicting yourself AGREEING WITH MY POINTS in favor of hosts files giving users more for less in added speed, security, reliability & anonymity

    You helped me bigtime, lol... apk

  127. A challenge for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why don't you entertain for a moment the idea that I might not be Dave. Got that?

    Right. I'm not going to post using my /. nick. I've made that clear.

    How can I convince you that I'm someone else? Can you even accept that possibility?

  128. "Eating your words" != GOOD nutrition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Your hosts file comments are not trustworthy" - by omnichad (1198475) on Friday August 09, 2013 @11:22AM (#44520759)

    Oh, really? Ok: MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who has seen & verified its sourcecode too no less as safe) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    &

    MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus (per this VERY recent testing of them all) -> http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean (per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently) in BOTH its 64-bit model -> https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ---

    Tells us, omniweasel:

    * HOW'S IT TASTE "EATING YOUR WORDS" flavored with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH ramming them down spiced with the BITTER TASTE of SELF-DEFEAT"?

    LMAO...

    APK

    P.S.=> Lastly: In the past, You also conceded MANY points on hosts to me & made huge mistakes vs. me here http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    &

    Here too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    LMAO @ U, "omniloser"... apk

  129. What I post's nonsense dave420? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)

    Why'd you agree w/ my points on hosts then? Quoting you:

    "I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    Of course not: It's impossible to dispute HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!

    Since my points in favor of hosts SINGLE FILE native kernelmode faster part show hosts doing more w/ less vs. so-called 'competitors' many part messagepassing + cpu/ram use overheads laden slower usermode FAR MORE COMPLEX 'solutions' doing less than hosts do for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity!

    I make creating a superior more efficient solution EASIER!

    (That's more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).

    ---

    "I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)

    I bother you? Then WHY DON'T YOU DO IT & use 'em? Answer that!

    (You stalk/harass me instead!)

    OBVIOUSLY you don't & you're a "ne'er-do-well" troll & you have "other motivations" (next):

    ---

    * QUESTION:

    DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , or a MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?

    Answer it!

    As per your usual you'll avoid every question, or lie & You've been EXPOSED in your "motives" in the last link just above, lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> See Dave420 the "pot puffing clown" SQUIRM - evasions galore will ensue (as well as effete downmods via sockpuppets to *try* vainly "hide it" -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )... apk

  130. What I post's nonsense dave420? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)

    Why'd you agree w/ my points on hosts then? Quoting you:

    "I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    Of course not: It's impossible to dispute HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!

    Since my points in favor of hosts SINGLE FILE native kernelmode faster part show hosts doing more w/ less vs. so-called 'competitors' many part messagepassing + cpu/ram use overheads laden slower usermode FAR MORE COMPLEX 'solutions' doing less than hosts do for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity!

    I make creating a superior more efficient solution EASIER!

    (That's more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).

    ---

    "I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)

    I bother you? Then WHY DON'T YOU DO IT & use 'em? Answer that!

    (You stalk/harass me instead!)

    OBVIOUSLY you don't & you're a "ne'er-do-well" troll & you have "other motivations" (next):

    ---

    * QUESTION:

    DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , or a MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?

    Answer it!

    As per your usual you'll avoid every question, or lie & You've been EXPOSED in your "motives" in the last link just above, lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> See Dave420 the "pot puffing clown" SQUIRM - evasions galore will ensue (as well as effete downmods via sockpuppets to *try* vainly "hide it" -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )... apk

  131. What I post's nonsense dave420? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)

    Why'd you agree w/ my points on hosts then? Quoting you:

    "I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    Of course not: It's impossible to dispute HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!

    Since my points in favor of hosts SINGLE FILE native kernelmode faster part show hosts doing more w/ less vs. so-called 'competitors' many part messagepassing + cpu/ram use overheads laden slower usermode FAR MORE COMPLEX 'solutions' doing less than hosts do for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity!

    I make creating a superior more efficient solution EASIER!

    (That's more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).

    ---

    "I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)

    I bother you? Then WHY DON'T YOU DO IT & use 'em? Answer that!

    (You stalk/harass me instead!)

    OBVIOUSLY you don't & you're a "ne'er-do-well" troll & you have "other motivations" (next):

    ---

    * QUESTION:

    DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , or a MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?

    Answer it!

    As per your usual you'll avoid every question, or lie & You've been EXPOSED in your "motives" in the last link just above, lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> See Dave420 the "pot puffing clown" SQUIRM - evasions galore will ensue (as well as effete downmods via sockpuppets to *try* vainly "hide it" -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )... apk

  132. omnichad=dave420 sockpuppet "eatin his words" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Your hosts file comments are not trustworthy" - by omnichad (1198475) on Friday August 09, 2013 @11:22AM (#44520759)

    Oh, really? Ok: MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who has seen & verified its sourcecode too no less as safe) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    &

    MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus (per this VERY recent testing of them all) -> http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean (per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently) in BOTH its 64-bit model -> https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ---

    Tells us, omniweasel:

    * HOW'S IT TASTE "EATING YOUR WORDS" flavored with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH ramming them down spiced with the BITTER TASTE of SELF-DEFEAT"?

    LMAO...

    APK

    P.S.=> Lastly: In the past, You also conceded MANY points on hosts to me & made huge mistakes vs. me here http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    &

    Here too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    LMAO @ U, "omniloser" = dave420 sockpuppet, obviously... apk

  133. What I post's nonsense dave420? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)

    Why'd you agree w/ my points on hosts then? Quoting you:

    "I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    Of course not: It's impossible to dispute HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!

    Since my points in favor of hosts SINGLE FILE native kernelmode faster part show hosts doing more w/ less vs. so-called 'competitors' many part messagepassing + cpu/ram use overheads laden slower usermode FAR MORE COMPLEX 'solutions' doing less than hosts do for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity!

    I make creating a superior more efficient solution EASIER!

    (That's more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).

    ---

    "I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)

    I bother you? Then WHY DON'T YOU DO IT & use 'em? Answer that!

    (You stalk/harass me instead!)

    OBVIOUSLY you don't & you're a "ne'er-do-well" troll & you have "other motivations" (next):

    ---

    * QUESTION:

    DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , or a MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?

    Answer it!

    As per your usual you'll avoid every question, or lie & You've been EXPOSED in your "motives" in the last link just above, lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> See Dave420 the "pot puffing clown" SQUIRM - evasions galore will ensue (as well as effete downmods via sockpuppets to *try* vainly "hide it" -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )... apk

  134. Re:What I post's nonsense dave420? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As per your usual you'll avoid every question, or lie & You've been EXPOSED in your "motives" in the last link just above, lol!

    You're a hypocrite. You have utterly failed to respond to anything I posted in the comment you're replying to, yet you criticise me for not answering your questions. Questions that were adressed to someone else for that matter.

    Answer that post in full and I will answer your questions. If you don't I won't reply again. You won't, so don't expect any more replies.

  135. Cornhole22 LMAO@U: Facts vs. your bs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ab+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (beyond ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stops C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stops C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stops C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you past a dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do all that & block ads (better than addons) more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on ab+ doing it + hosts = already on every device natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).

    +

    ClarityRay defeats it detecting it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods to do so!

    +

    Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...

    Ab+ adds complexity from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    What's better?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  136. Tell us about "AlmostAllAdsBlocked+" Coren22 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & LMAO @ U, boy -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    * Gonna go "cry in your cereal" now, boy?

    (You ought to for being STUPID enough to use OR SUGGEST a blatantly INFERIOR solution! See below... it's fact & truth!)

    APK

    P.S.=> FACT: "AlmostALLAdsBlocked+" is INFERIOR vs. hosts - hugely so!

    AB+ doesn't even DO what it's supposed to fully anymore being BRIBED http://finance.yahoo.com/news/... not to!

    AB+ doesn't do a FRACTION of what hosts do for more speed, security, reliability, + anonymity online!

    AB+ EATS 128mb of RAM (vs. hosts @ 11 *maybe* tops via my program with CURRENT data, the important kind vs. current threats + ads) http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    AB+ adds messagepassing overheads!

    AB+ operates in SLOWER usermode (vs. hosts in PnP kernelmode)

    AB+ creates huge CPU consumption!

    I use what you already have that works & does more with LESS, no less - you by way of comparison? Pile on "MoAr" that doesn't do as nearly as much & what it's supposed to do, massively inefficiently no less (see above)? It NO LONGER DOES!

    AFTER ALL THAT?

    AB+ = "better", Coren22?? LMAO - NO f'ing way!

    If you say it is, you are *TRULY* stupid & I'd reply saying "argue with the numbers" & facts above, from reputable sources & analysis proving my points for me... apk

  137. Tell us about "AlmostAllAdsBlocked+" Coren22 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & LMAO @ U, boy -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    * Gonna go "cry in your cereal" now, boy?

    (You ought to for being STUPID enough to use OR SUGGEST a blatantly INFERIOR solution! See below... it's fact & truth!)

    APK

    P.S.=> FACT: "AlmostALLAdsBlocked+" is INFERIOR vs. hosts - hugely so!

    AB+ doesn't even DO what it's supposed to fully anymore being BRIBED http://finance.yahoo.com/news/... not to!

    AB+ doesn't do a FRACTION of what hosts do for more speed, security, reliability, + anonymity online!

    AB+ EATS 128mb of RAM (vs. hosts @ 11 *maybe* tops via my program with CURRENT data, the important kind vs. current threats + ads) http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    AB+ adds messagepassing overheads!

    AB+ operates in SLOWER usermode (vs. hosts in PnP kernelmode)

    AB+ creates huge CPU consumption!

    I use what you already have that works & does more with LESS, no less - you by way of comparison? Pile on "MoAr" that doesn't do as nearly as much & what it's supposed to do, massively inefficiently no less (see above)? It NO LONGER DOES!

    AFTER ALL THAT?

    AB+ = "better", Coren22?? LMAO - NO f'ing way!

    If you say it is, you are *TRULY* stupid & I'd reply saying "argue with the numbers" & facts above, from reputable sources & analysis proving my points for me... apk

  138. "Eating your words" != GOOD nutrition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Your hosts file comments are not trustworthy" - by omnichad (1198475) on Friday August 09, 2013 @11:22AM (#44520759)

    Oh, really? Ok: MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who has seen & verified its sourcecode too no less as safe) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    &

    MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus (per this VERY recent testing of them all) -> http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean (per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently) in BOTH its 64-bit model -> https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ---

    Tells us, omniweasel:

    * HOW'S IT TASTE "EATING YOUR WORDS" flavored with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH ramming them down spiced with the BITTER TASTE of SELF-DEFEAT"?

    LMAO...

    APK

    P.S.=> Lastly: In the past, You also conceded MANY points on hosts to me & made huge mistakes vs. me here http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    &

    Here too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    LMAO @ U, "omniloser"... apk

  139. "Eating your words" != GOOD nutrition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Your hosts file comments are not trustworthy" - by omnichad (1198475) on Friday August 09, 2013 @11:22AM (#44520759)

    Oh, really? Ok: MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who has seen & verified its sourcecode too no less as safe) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    &

    MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus (per this VERY recent testing of them all) -> http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean (per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently) in BOTH its 64-bit model -> https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ---

    Tells us, omniweasel:

    * HOW'S IT TASTE "EATING YOUR WORDS" flavored with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH ramming them down spiced with the BITTER TASTE of SELF-DEFEAT"?

    LMAO...

    APK

    P.S.=> Lastly: In the past, You also conceded MANY points on hosts to me & made huge mistakes vs. me here http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    &

    Here too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    LMAO @ U, "omniloser"... apk

  140. "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" = Coren22... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ab+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (beyond ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stops C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stops C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stops C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you past a dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do all that & block ads (better than addons) more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on ab+ doing it + hosts = already on every device natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).

    +

    ClarityRay defeats it detecting it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods to do so!

    +

    Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...

    Ab+ adds complexity from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    What's better?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  141. Answer these questions Coren22 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ab+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (beyond ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stops C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stops C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stops C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you past a dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do all that & block ads (better than addons) more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on ab+ doing it + hosts = already on every device natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).

    +

    ClarityRay defeats it detecting it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods to do so!

    +

    Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...

    Ab+ adds complexity from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    What's better?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  142. Answer these questions then Coren22 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ab+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (beyond ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stops C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stops C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stops C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you past a dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do all that & block ads (better than addons) more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on ab+ doing it + hosts = already on every device natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).

    +

    ClarityRay defeats it detecting it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods to do so!

    +

    Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...

    Ab+ adds complexity from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    What's better?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  143. "Eating your words" != GOOD nutrition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Your hosts file comments are not trustworthy" - by omnichad (1198475) on Friday August 09, 2013 @11:22AM (#44520759)

    Oh, really? Ok: MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who has seen & verified its sourcecode too no less as safe) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    &

    MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus (per this VERY recent testing of them all) -> http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean (per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently) in BOTH its 64-bit model -> https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ---

    Tells us, omniweasel:

    * HOW'S IT TASTE "EATING YOUR WORDS" flavored with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH ramming them down spiced with the BITTER TASTE of SELF-DEFEAT"?

    LMAO...

    APK

    P.S.=> Lastly: In the past, You also conceded MANY points on hosts to me & made huge mistakes vs. me here http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    &

    Here too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    LMAO @ U, "omniloser"... apk

  144. "Eating your words" != GOOD nutrition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Your hosts file comments are not trustworthy" - by omnichad (1198475) on Friday August 09, 2013 @11:22AM (#44520759)

    Oh, really? Ok: MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who has seen & verified its sourcecode too no less as safe) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    &

    MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus (per this VERY recent testing of them all) -> http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean (per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently) in BOTH its 64-bit model -> https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ---

    Tells us, omniweasel:

    * HOW'S IT TASTE "EATING YOUR WORDS" flavored with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH ramming them down spiced with the BITTER TASTE of SELF-DEFEAT"?

    LMAO...

    APK

    P.S.=> Lastly: In the past, You also conceded MANY points on hosts to me & made huge mistakes vs. me here http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    &

    Here too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    LMAO @ U, "omniloser"... apk

  145. "Eating your words" != GOOD nutrition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Your hosts file comments are not trustworthy" - by omnichad (1198475) on Friday August 09, 2013 @11:22AM (#44520759)

    Oh, really? Ok: MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who has seen & verified its sourcecode too no less as safe) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    &

    MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus (per this VERY recent testing of them all) -> http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean (per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently) in BOTH its 64-bit model -> https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ---

    Tells us, omniweasel:

    * HOW'S IT TASTE "EATING YOUR WORDS" flavored with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH ramming them down spiced with the BITTER TASTE of SELF-DEFEAT"?

    LMAO...

    APK

    P.S.=> Lastly: In the past, You also conceded MANY points on hosts to me & made huge mistakes vs. me here http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    &

    Here too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    LMAO @ U, "omniloser"... apk

  146. Re:People need to learn to stop giving a shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apk slaps you fools around with facts and better software he wrote himself vs crap you use though.

  147. Re:People need to learn to stop giving a shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    dave420 webmaster advertiser starts it, apk finished it + dave420 too. dave420's quoted admittedly harassing apk and got shot to pieces by apk. dave420's gets it back, evading questions http://slashdot.org/comments.p... and merely shows us he can't take what he dishes out. Especially when he's caught exposed in his true motivations for stalking and harassing apk since dave420's an advertiser or webmaster who hates hosts files. So not all of your sockpuppets can change that dave420 (headw1nd). You can minusmod this all day like you did here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... and it doesn't hide it at all. Other see it and reply to it dumbbell.