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Donald Trump: America Should Consider "Closing the Internet Up In Some Way" (dailydot.com)
Patrick O'Neill writes: Hours after Donald Trump suggested the U.S. ban Muslims from entering the United States, the leading Republican presidential candidate said America should also consider "closing the Internet up in some way" to fight Islamic State terrorists in cyberspace. Trump mocked anyone who would object that his plan might violate the freedom of speech, saying "these are foolish people, we have a lot of foolish people ... We have to go see Bill Gates," Trump said, to better understand the Internet and then possibly "close it up."
Ironic isn't it that Trump wants to kill the very instrument that would be most effective in de-radicalizing people?
Free speech and free flow of information does more good than harm. Seems counter intuitive to lock violent radicals out of the very information that could change their minds, educate the ignorant, and carry a non violent message.
Sure terrorists use the Internet to recruit. But how many people did not join up because of information on the Internet?
Are we really so scared that we will turn proto-fascist?
Another consultant who stuck it out.
"We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx..."
America should consider ignoring Donald Trump in every way. The guy is the political equivalent of a troll. He adds nothing but noise to the political debate. It merely deflects attention from things that actually matter.
"We have a lot of foolish people" If that's not irony, I don't know what is.
He's like Hitler. Using my account because I actually believe this now. I rejected my friends' comments as silly Godwin-law rhetoric until now.
What is the disease does this country have in listening to people like this? I realize there are other candidates that are clearly not all there upstairs but when is this Trump shit gonna go away. Fuck that idiot and fuck his hi-jacking of the discussion.
"We have to go see Bill Gates," Trump said, to better understand the Internet and then possibly "close it up.""
Why Bill Gates? We all know he has nothing to do with the internets and it was Al Gore the one who invented it. But, of course, Trump wouldn't engage a dem even to save the country of those pesky... well, everybodies.
Jeb Bush has summed up Trump very nicely, and in a single word: "Unhinged".
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Meanwhile Eric Schmidt proposes a ContentID-like system to suppress "hate speech".
Pick your poison, left or right, up or down, makes no difference.
HAHAHAHA Because Bill Gates, of all people, understood the internet from the get-go.
It's not a series of tubes, it's a Tidal Wave.
Cut to the chase, Trump supporters. Upstream of using the Internet is thinking. Thinking leads to bad thoughts, and bad thoughts lead to bad acts. Our only hope now is to outlaw thinking. Do it now! For the children ...
"We receive as friendly that which agrees with, we resist with dislike that which opposes us" - Faraday
America: The Don Should Consider "Closing the Don's Pie-Hole Up In Some Way"
Left MS Windows for Linux Mint and never looked back!
Vote for Bernie in 2016!
I dont care how crazy it comes off or about getting modded down. Trump is a ringer who's only purpose is to make sure no Republican candidate has a chance in the elections.
The Internet Should Consider "Closing Up Donald Trump In Some Way"
Probably not that many. All of the schools of "radical Islam" were in existence and active well before the Internet, but the Internet has given them an unprecedented ability to reach out to Muslims very far away from their core audiences such as Muslims in Malaysia and Indonesia which were prohibitively expensive and difficult to reach in pre-modern times.
With the advent of broadcast communication, radicals were able to start reaching their diasporas and Muslims outside of the normal stomping grounds of the radical schools based in the Middle East. The Internet not only enables that broadcasting, but enables dialogue. It's now possible for radical imams and jurists in the Middle East to do more than a fire-side chat with young Muslims across the world, they can actually engage them as pupils and groom them personally.
I absolutely do not support Trump's proposal, but guys like you are precisely the sort of idealists that he will steamroll over without any effort in the public spotlight. Everyone else out there can see that as a matter of fact, the Internet enables terrorist recruitment probably 10x better than broadcast media did in the 60s to late 80s/early 90s.
The way I talk about the Internet is the way most gun rights activists talk about guns. I care more about freedom than security. "If it saves one life" is not an argument to me. I'd rather lose lives in the name of freedom than save lives in the name of security.
Please don't vote this idiot into power.
Thank you.
The rest of the world.
Because Trump said 'internet', this somehow qualifies as tech news I wanted to know about on slashdot? Shame. Quit feeding the bear, ladies and gentlemen. Eventually, it will leave and not come back.
You know SNL has really hit it over the top this year with this Donald Trump for president running gag.....
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Which country is calling? The country of UNIX? The country of the Chrysler 440 cubic inch engine? Throw the clown out and be American Americans!
I hadn't the slightest objection to his spending his time planning massacres for the bourgeoisie... (P.G. Wodehouse)
Nixon will be considered a good president compared to the last two ass clowns and if we elect trump,,,,,Oh my!
Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels.
More important to the discussion, why the so called reporter didn't bother to try to call Bill Gates to see if he agrees with that or not?
He's just saying whatever it takes to get the nomination in an increasingly radical party environment.
All he's REALLY interested in in getting big tax breaks for himself and his business/rich buddies. If he can do that by winning the Presidency, fine. If (more likely), he's just putting himself into a nice bargaining position to demand support of those cuts from whoever wants his endorsement later, that's fine too.
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
Wouldn't Al Gore be the better person to talk to about changing internet Architecture?
Who know Putin and Trump agreed on something....
that keeps that hairpiece on the skull. It sinks in and poisons what's left of his brains.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
...and the democrats want to "kill the very instrument that would be most effective in de-radicalizing people" which are firearms.
There is no lack of firearms in the Middle East and yet their availability (and routine use) is clearly not slowing radicalization. Your argument makes zero sense and is clearly contradicted by the facts. Your notion that radicalization is effectively fought with firearms is not supported by the US Military. You cannot win a war of ideas with guns. All you can do is provide time and space for your own ideas. We've dumped trillions of dollars into wars in the Middle East and groups like ISIS are stronger than ever as a result. The ONLY thing that will ultimately defeat groups like ISIS is with speech and ideas. Firearms can only suppress them for a time at best. You don't win hearts and minds at the point of a gun.
I'm not for banning anything, but we should block hate speech or any speech associated with known or suspected terrorists.
You claim to not be for banning anything and then contradict yourself in the same sentence. So clearly you aren't in favor of free speech. Here's a hint - free speech doesn't just consist of speech you approve of.
Trump is a bit of a clown but he's saying what the people want to hear so what does that tell you...
It tells me that the people who are taking him seriously are idiots. The words "President Trump" should be terrifying to anyone with a functioning brain. What people need to hear and what they want to hear are frequently different.
Trump is making an effort to reach out to the bigots and racists who felt disenfranchised when a black president was elected.
Wait ... so ... what you say is that in Iran and China, those VPNs and proxies are good because there you get free speech out of them, but over here, those VPNs and proxies are bad because you get child porn and piracy out of them.
Wow, it's amazing. How do the VPNs know where they are running so they transport the right content?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Many people make fun of Donald Trump or don't take him seriously. What most don't realize is that he is represents the pinnacle of what the Republican Party has become. All that he says is little more than populist slurs and factually incorrect statements, barring any context. He is extremely anti social, anti socialist and very pro industry and military. He resents using government money for social programs but has no problems spending the same taxpayer money for military projects. His world view is an immature outlook where the US is at the center and the rest is a nuisance or a playground for the military. He willingly and knowingly misleads the public using fear, uncertainty and doubt tactics. When he's on television he revels in the attention and uses it to entertain people with outlandish rants and to polish his public image as an anti-establishment rebel, while saying absolutely nothing of consequence. He is the kind of person that can only appeal to, for lack of a better word: white trash and its scary that it has come so far that he reaches mass appeal in the US. Abraham Lincoln must be turning in his grave from what his party has become.
Outside of the USA, the USA doesn't have a great image. It never really had, to be honest.
And, unfortunately for the USA, Donald Trump is doing absolutely nothing to make that image any better.
If anyone were to look just at Donald and how he represents you guys, then they will see an idiot, a racist, a bigot, a religious intolerant... he posses, in their worst forms, all of the bad stereotypes applied to "Americans". And, in many ways, he is the most un-American person one could point to. Taking just the simplest of American values - Freedom: He wants to close down the internet, ban Muslims, and have everyone saying 'Merry Christmas', because that's obviously what Freedom means to him.
I really feel sorry for you guys. He really does make the whole country look like a joke. I dare not imagine what your country will become if he were to be elected.
To be honest, there's an awful lot of things that he says that reminds me of one Adolf Hitler.
- observations from an outsider.
I've always thought that Trump just does this because he likes the attention. His comments lately may be him trying to get out of the race.
Trump likes his riches too much to actually be president. It's never felt like he actually wants the job.
Trump has no idea who to call; that's the first name that came to his mind.
At least he realizes that he's ignorant on this matter, unlike a lot of people. He might be a clown but he's not THAT foolish.
Of course, he's in for a nasty surprise. "Closing up" the Internet will only turn the United States into another North Korea, as the... ... no, I'm not qualified to predict what will happen in a world unable/unwilling to do business with the US. A Pax Sinica, maybe?
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What a dumb ass.
At first, I looked at Trump's rhetoric with a bit of curiosity, but now when he just spouts off about things he doesn't understand I just facepalm.
Does he really believe this stuff he's saying or is it an act? I really don't know.
One could say that is he dumb as a rock, but that would be offensive for (orange) rocks.
That's funny, because I feel the exact same way about Christianity.
Name a time Christians *didn't* come into contact with a new culture and start killing people like crazy. Perhaps you've never heard of Native Americans?
Oh, you probably haven't because, with few exceptions, those good christians wiped them off the planet.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
Thank you. Now that we've seen the full quote, we know who's looney.
I'm not sure why people are hammering Trump on this, he isn't saying anything different than Clinton or Obama.
Here is what Clinton had to say: “We’re going to hear all the usual complaints, you know, freedom of speech, et cetera. But if we truly are in a war against terrorism and we are truly looking for ways to shut off their funding, shut off the flow of foreign fighters, then we’ve got to shut off their means of communicating." And Obama has proposed outlawing encryption.
At least Trump has has the balls to admit that the media are part of the problem.
You joke, but his thinking is exactly as sophisticated as what you parody. He thinks that Bill Gates is "in charge of the computers" and would be able to "close up the Internet" to keep those nasty terrorists off.
He's an angry little child in an old man's body. He's never had to learn anything beyond lemonade-stand-level business skills, which have been sufficient for making money by throwing his inherited wealth around.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
Both Trump and Clinton said the same thing. Why only attack one of them in the summary when the article criticizes both parties? This goes to show that both sides have no concern for the constitution, and are probably just pandering to fears.
The article says:
Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton urged tech companies to “deny online space” to terrorists. Clinton then anticipated and waved away presumed First Amendment criticisms. We’re going to hear all the usual complaints,” she said on Monday, “you know, freedom of speech, et cetera. But if we truly are in a war...
Wow, she basically summarized the first amendment as "blah blah blah" and justified that it is okay to violate the constitution during wartime. This is the exact same kind of logic that was used 200 years ago that made us write those constitutional amendments. We have been fighting the same political battles for 200 years.
It should not too difficult to close this series of tubes... Right?
Ah thank you, from the complete quote it's clear that he doesn't want to just come in and take away our essential liberties for fun, he wants to take away our essential liberties for imagined security. Really cleared things up there.
Just remember though, once you've decided some Amendments are optional, there's absolutely nothing standing in the way to make the rest of them optional. What are you going to say to the next Democratic president who says "Oh, right to bear arms, right to bear arms"?
If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
This may be the most insightful comment in the entire discussion.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
Look how well the Soviets did this in Afghanistan. Find the problem and eliminate it. Done and done.
Why can't we have even the slightest hint of he effectiveness of the Soviets? /s
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
No! We do not need to shut down the net in some way. We need to shut down Trump and I don't care how it is done.
than the sad little gun nuts infecting this country would loose their one and only excuse for avoiding the real problems. Other countried have mentally ill, yet the do not have a mass shooting of the day issue.
they did not change the definition. The FBI deals with mass killings, hence the number of people killed. gun fetishists seem to think that being shot but not killed is peaches and cream that we should all learn to live with so they can continue their perversion.
Umm, no.
We have a website that changed the definition of "mass shooting" so they could claim we had one almost every day. Using the standard FBI definition, we've had one every other month or so..
The "standard FBI definition" defines "mass murder", not "Mass shooting." Different things.
https://www.fbi.gov/stats-serv...
In any case, if you read the FBI documents, they state that there is no accepted definition.
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Are we witnessing the final stages of some sort of Trump Rhetorical Singularity?
It seems like every news cycle he has to top himself by saying something even more hyperbolic, and that in the last week the velocity of the hyperbole has been noticeably accelerating.
At this rate, I assume that by Saturday he will be calling for the immediate launching of nuclear missiles against every country that might harbor terrorist, and where he goes after that nobody can even speculate.
Good times!
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
What's frightening is that you'd choose a crazy bigoted egomaniac over a fairly unremarkable Democrat who has become the devil incarnate to right-wingers somehow. I never understood the incredible amount of hate that US conservatives have for Hillary. Since she's a huge war-hawk by Dem standards, you'd think they might even find her more tolerable.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
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Kind of like how we 'closed the mail system' or 'closed the telephone and telegraph networks' we we found out that evil people could use those forms of communication to coordinate bad activities?
There was no journalism involved in this article.
What, bombing hospitals, homes, and property isn't going to win the hearts and minds? Why can't they understand that we're liberating them?
He made billions, but that's because he started out with a lot of money. His business ventures total to about market averages.
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Please instead use the politically correct term "interpersonal ballistic event", or IBE.
Sacred cows make the best burgers.
This guy sounds more like Hitler every time he opens his mouth.
Doesn't that pinhead Trump realize Microsoft doesn't understand the Internet - That's why the Internet runs on Linux and BSD. Hell, even MS is recommending deploying their Azure environment on Linux...
It reminds me a lot of Cargo Cultism.
A lot of people think that associating themselves to selfish right wing politics they will also be successful, instead of recognising that is a consequence not the the cause.
his campaign website. his hotel sites. and golf course sites. all his affiliated business sites. just wash them out of the BGP and records, and redirect anybody smart enough to type the IP codes to The Last Page Of The Internet.
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
"Sufficiently advanced trolling is indistinguishable from stupidity", apologies to Arthur C Clark...
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
Okay, let's think about this for a moment. So Obamacare is good 'cause it is left wing, right? But Obamacare's goal is to move the onus for having healthcare from an outside organization - aka government or employer -- providing health cover to the individual, and penalize with taxes. So tell me, what's more greedy? Right or Left?
Why don't you put the world in a bottle, Donald?
At first it was just going to the hilarity of his finger on the nuclear button.
But it just gets better every time it brings up an idea.
Look it all has to end sometime, it might as well at least by humorous.
Fascist, racist piece of crap isn't so funny anymore, is he.
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He managed not to lose his trust fund, unlike many of his trust-fund baby cohort, so I guess that's something to be proud of.
I'm starting to think that Jeb might be a lot smarter than his brother, and is simply waiting for Trump and Cruz to flame out.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
You can't legislate against nutjobs with guns.
Australia did (both conservatives and liberals) and it appears to be very effective.
Most Americans seem to work from the basic principle that everyone will always have easy access to guns one way or another, and so it's pointless trying to legislate against them at all.
Whatever your position on gun control, it is certainly a fact that the US has a far higher proportion of people owning firearms than other countries, and so it would require a much more extensive government intervention.
When they basically banned handguns and most weapons except shotguns and hunting rifles in the UK, it only affected a tiny minority of people. There is no equivalent lobbying group to the NRA here, because it would basically just be comprised of farmers and grouse shooters, who know they will be allowed to keep their weapons anyway.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Before you judge all of us, just remember, we actually freakin' did it; we busted down the doors of FIFA and brought people out in cuffs ( https://youtu.be/qr6ar3xJL_Q?t... ). So, call it a wash?
If I mod you up, it doesn't necessarily mean I agree with what you've said, sorry.
There's himself.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
of the road" and therefore electable without demonstrating what a real far right nut job is? The Republican party made a deal with Trump to make its real candidates look less nutty by having Trump act like a clown. Even Ted Cruz looks sane compared to Trump. THAT's exactly what they wanted. It hasn't cost them a dime in advertising because everywhere Trump goes and every time he opens his mouth the press is all over him. I wonder how much they are paying him for his circus side-show act?
wait until all the bad muslims are on the internet, then close it up, so they will be trapped. mission accomplished!
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
What's frightening is that you'd choose a crazy bigoted egomaniac over a fairly unremarkable Democrat who has become the devil incarnate to right-wingers somehow. I never understood the incredible amount of hate that US conservatives have for Hillary. Since she's a huge war-hawk by Dem standards, you'd think they might even find her more tolerable.
hillary was beloved by republicans back when. “I have a sense that she is one of the more competent members of the current administration and it would be interesting to speculate about how she might perform were she to be president,” -Dick Cheney http://dailycaller.com/2011/09... "Look, if we had a Clinton presidency, if we had Erskine Bowles as Chief of Staff of the White House or president of the United States, I think we would have fixed this fiscal mess by now. That's not the kind of presidency we're dealing with right now." - Paul Ryan http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bi... “Having started as a secretary and eventually become a chief-executive officer, I not only have great admiration and respect for Hillary Clinton and her candidacy and her leadership, but I also have great empathy, I must tell you, for what she went through,” -Carly Fiorina http://www.todayszaman.com/wor... “I happen to like Hillary Clinton; I think she’s done a good job for the ... secretary of state’s position, and I have high respect for her and think a great deal of her.” - Orrin Hatch http://www.politico.com/story/...
“I think the international star is Secretary Clinton. She has done a really tremendous job.” John McCain http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2...
"She's dedicated to her job, she loves her country, I think she is a good role model, one of the most effective Secretary of States, greatest ambassadors for the American people that I've known in my lifetime." -Lindsey Graham http://www.thestate.com/news/p...
"I think she's done a fine job. The problem isn't Hilary Clinton, who's great," -Condoleeza Rice http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_...
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
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If I might play a bit of the Devil's Advocate here (I do oppose Mr Trump - in being a real threat to running any country), consider this: He is professing what he believes. And he is allowed to do that - by constitutional right (and, I believe, human right). Yet, I feel we all need to know much more details about his root reasonings. ESPECIALLY those that would vote for him! And, perhaps, find the flaw in his apparently twisted perceptions - for him or us - wherever it may be. Don't we owe it to ourselves and our fellow man to fully understand as much as possible. I think this all speaks to the right for all to know absolute truths, and what is a truth and what is not fact-based. C'mon, Don, please tell us all the full details of your plans. I will not even consider you as a candidate until I see some substance. Is it that you want to exceptionalize freedom of speech, or is it that you want the minds that hear stuff categorize things like your's does?!
Self-importance and self-indulgence is the root of ALL evil.