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Debian Founder Ian Murdock Has Died (docker.com)
Unknown Lamer writes: It has been confirmed that Debian founder Ian Murdock has died. From the Docker blog: "It is with great sadness that we inform you that Ian Murdock passed away on Monday night. This is a tragic loss for his family, for the Docker community, and the broader open source world; we all mourn his passing. ... Ian helped pioneer the notion of a truly open project and community, embracing open design and open contribution; in fact the formative document of the open source movement itself (the Open Source Definition) was originally a Debian position statement. It is a testament to Ian's commitment to openness and community that there are now more than 1,000 people currently involved in Debian development."
So all the race baiting about police brutality and how nobody believed him because he was white (and not a "n*gger" - his words) leading to a massively publicized suicide-note-rant-against-the-police on his twitter, that was actually covered on a similar website to this one, was legit? And nobody stepped in or did a gd*** thing?
And what great parting words he left for us:
Maybe my suicide at this, you now, a successful business man, not a NIGGER, will finally bring some attention to this very serious issue.
In this day and age, it's highly unusual for healthy 42 year olds to die all of a sudden. TFA says nothing about how he died, just that he died.
Car accident, drug overdose, heart attack, or ???
There are reports elsewhere that he tweeted about being beaten up by police and threatened suicide and was going to blog about what happened.
make tears
I know it's considered inappropriate to speculate on the death of Mr. Murdock but the circumstances surrounding his sad demise was extremely disturbing.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10803924
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3yktcg/ian_murdock_debian_founder_is_threatening_suicide/
If there's anything we could reconstruct out of the fragments, he probably suffered torture at the hand of police.
It's inappropriate to speculate at this moment of sadness, but it's only fair to ask why. If that's what happened, it could happen to all of us.
Just how fucked up are you anti systemd people to take Murdocks death as an opportunity to spread your ideas?
Murdock had nothing, nothing to do with systemd what so ever.
Goodbye from a Debian Developer. Thanks for all the fish
Note to self:
Never, never give up after torture, abuse or rape. Few can send a real signal by killing himself. Suicide destroys the meaning of one's suffering.
Live to the end. Live and fight the injustice. Live and tell the truth.
i remember him as a genuinely nice guy. 15ish years ago, when i was a naive youngster just starting with gnu/linux (progeny linux), i often got stuck on pretty basic stuff. one day i simply emailed him and asked these absolutely beginner's questions about partitioning and debian installer. he, the legendary debian founder, took his time and patiently explained things to me. we exchanged over 50 emails that year. i wish i still had that mbox file. we kept in touch until he started working for sun.
Your uptime was shorter than normal, but you were a master of creation and you served the community well.
The bizarre nature of those last tweets and the fact that the attached email domain on those was imurdock.com rather than his actual website which is ianmurdock.com makes this situation very suspicious. I hope more information is release soon as it seems highly likely foul play is involved.
Stay sentient. Don't drink bad milk.
and I am ashamed to live in a society where there was no one around to help him find a better way through this.
Yeah, because who would believe that Ian would have the cops called on him for physically threatening his neighbors and then be roughed up when he became belligerent to the police?
I am very, very sad to hear this news. Debian GNU/Linux has brought much joy to my life. Thank You and Rest in Peace, Ian Murdock.
-drew (@pdp7)
His tweet seems to say that "police brutality is so rampant that it can even hurt educated whites", with the use of the N-word indicating the view he thinks police take of African Americans. Given the political climate right now, that's stupid, but doesn't necessarily show he's racist.
Of course, we don't know the background. It sounds like he may have had a mental problem. If so, that may be the reason the police hassled him in the first place, and then led him to suicide.
Too soon!
It sounds to me like he was clinically schizophrenic and went off his medication. That would explain why he interacted with police (odd behavior in public), was restrained and then released, why the tone of his Twitter messages changed abruptly, and why he subsequently committed suicide (schizophrenics are at high risk for suicide).
People deciding on suicide for real rarely make future plans, but his last tweets were full of them. I wonder about head trauma, mostly because of the extreme confusion here. Note his first line. He didn't want anyone to stop him from killing himself, because he had stories that he wanted to tell.
Is it possible this was an assassination and the twitter "rant" was part of the cover-up? Faking suicides seems like an ideal way for agencies to act.
That is one of the most spectacularly stupid things I've ever read. Well done.
Why is Barack Obama not white? Is it because he has more than zero drops of native Kenyan blood in him? If that is the case, aren't you in all actuality subscribing to the 'one drop of blood / white is the norm' position? And if you don't - because that would be quite racist - then why is Obama black? He has a 'white' mother after all... And if your position is that 'he identifies as black', then can he change his mind tomorrow? And if he can't, then at what age do people get to choose their 'race'? And if he can, what in the name of bloody bollocks does an outdated concept of 'race' even mean outside the industry that breeds cats, dogs and horses?
Race is a load of meaningless crap. Humans like to fark too much for it to exist. It has no concept in biology, and even in its last hold-out - sociology - it can easily be degraded to meaninglessness, see the reasoning above.
Religion is what happens when nature strikes and groupthink goes wrong.
Sure, just like christianity makes total sense if you believe that god exists and the bible is his inerrant word. Just because tripe like that was taught as 'education' for centuries doesn't make it correct. The same applies to your progressive claptrap being taught as 'education' at the local university. If anything, this proves the dominance left wing social engineering has on the media, education, and government policy, today. Now, it's your protected castes that have 'power and privilege'. White males aren't allowed to criticize anything anymore. When they do, they're universally demonized, shitcanned from their jobs, and their accomplishments nullified. Meanwhile, while we squabble, the ruling elites laugh as they tread on our liberty. There's nothing equitable in that.
Old programmers never die. They redirect to /dev/null. RIP, Ian.
Religous speak to God. Insane are spoken to by God. When all shut up, one can finally hear Shostakovich in peace
Sounds like you are a victim of newspeak reeducation. Racism is the use of race as a discriminator either for or against an individual or group.
This is a nonsense ideological position rooted in ignorant sophistry (I know, quite the ostensible contradiction)
The point of saying non-whites can't be racist isn't to form a more cogent and useful definition of racism (as we see in replacing LGBTQA into GSA) but so neoprogressive zealots can call people racist while themselves being racist.
And it's dumb anyway, "racism" can't be cause _and_ effect, if racism is systemic oppression by the powerful then you can't say it'd caused by racism, you have to say it's caused by prejudice and thus it's meaningless to call individuals racist because the term only applies to edifices of power. But of course as already said the point isn't for better definitions, it's to call people racist and then say "lalala you can't call me racist back."
He dove into a psychotic episode, went raving to the neighbor's house, who called the cops on him, who handled him like they would. But instead of institutionalizing him, they left him at his house, perhaps going/waiting for backup. Then they were called on him again, or they returned and they manhandled him again. Like they would. Then, still in his paranoid, psychotic mindstate, he committed suicide. And it all could have been prevented with the proper application of a straitjacket, a padded room, a nurse, some intravenous medication, and a bit of time and sleep.
Religion is what happens when nature strikes and groupthink goes wrong.
I certainly will not believe any official reports - the fact that they're late means they're being cooked, without doubt. Some multi-millionaires out there need to make sure to get all the way to the bottom of this.
if the police beat and violated him why didn't he just kill the pigs? you'd think pigs would get put down every day in this country given how many people they abuse. he could have done the rest of us a favor and taken some of them out before offing himself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQri8DxF3u0
redwards510 on hackernews said:
Well, it appears his arrest was real, not a delusion. This is all the information they had on VINE.
https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/detailsAction.do?siteId=50...
Offender Name: IAN ASHLEY MURDOCK Offender ID/CDCR:608067 Date of Birth:04/28/1973 Age: 42 Race: White Gender: Male
Custody Status: Out of Custody Date: 12/27/2015 Reason:Bonded out
Looks like SJWers on 4Chan were egging him on last night:
https://archive.is/2Cdj1
https://i.imgur.com/A1xlnVi.pn...
Fuck you. I read Slashdot 4x a day. Fuck Ian in his dead racist ass.
kill yourself?
You are mistaking plain stupidity for being progressive or left-wing. Stupidity and ignorance are not restricted to the left.
Racism is the groundless use of race as a discriminator either for or against an individual or group.
That one word is important. Not all distinction making on base of race is racism. In medical matters it happens all the time, for good reason.
You racist reactionaries are the worst. More projection than an IMAX theater,.
And if your position is that 'he identifies as black', then can he change his mind tomorrow? And if he can't, then at what age do people get to choose their 'race'? And if he can, what in the name of bloody bollocks does an outdated concept of 'race' even mean outside the industry that breeds cats, dogs and horses?
These question contain a raft of invalid assumptions.
Clearly, race is a social construct, not a genetic one, and anyone who tells you otherwise hasn't looked closely enough at the question. This means that to a large degree people do choose what race they are. Obviously there is no age by which people must make that choice, but that's not because there is no choice to be made, but because they're perfectly free to change their choice at any point in time. Racial identity is really just a form of tribalism, and people absolutely can choose to move from one tribe to another.
However, that in no way implies that changing tribes is easy, because what tribe you're a member of depends less on what you think than on what the other members of the tribe think. Tribal boundaries are fluid, dynamic and context-dependent, but they shift based on group decisions, not individual decisions. Witness the public hue and cry over Rachel Dolezal.
But, in fact, people do change their racial identity. A 2010 study found that going to prison can turn white people black. Specifically, people who previously self-identified and were identified by researchers as white committed crimes, went to prison, and subsequently self-identified -- and were identified by researchers -- as non-white, in most cases black.
Could Barack Obama decide to be white? Sure. He could decide to self-identify as white, and he could announce that to the world. The response would be a mixture of bafflement, outrage and laughter, and no one would buy it, because his tribal membership is too strongly and publicly established.
Race is a load of meaningless crap.
Any notion of genetic, objective race is meaningless crap, sure. But tribal identity is very, very far from meaningless. For many people racial identity is a central part of their individual identity. Identity is powerful... people befriend, ostracize, even kill over identity.
Note that I'm not saying this is good, or right, or in any way desirable. We'd all be a lot better off if everyone discarded racial identity from their personal worldviews. But that's not the world we live in, and calling it meaningless, ostrich-like, is foolish.
Note to ACs: I usually delete AC replies without reading them. If you want to talk to me, log in.
Puts his last comments in context. RIP.
http://pastebin.com/yk8bgru5
Professional police don't rough anyone up. That's what goon police forces do.
Well, I was just reading a post from 2013 (via the Linux is Still Crap thread) where he decided that systemd wasn't good enough for Debian. But no, nothing to do with systemd. Instead, this seems to be about a man killing himself after experiencing brutality at the hands (feet, batons, tasers, who knows?) of the SFPD. Maybe he deserved it in some way, behaving in a mentally ill fashion within sight of a police officer.
If he had been a N*, doubtless the police would have provided the full service and killed him too.
not to be too contrarian, but go watch Hotel Rwanda and dwell on your emphasis of 'meaningless'. The movie both makes your style points (some arbitrary nose measurement distinction used to divide and conquer) and I think reveals part of the large meaning race has had for our world in our age. I would emphasize the 'propaganda tool used to divide conquer and exploit' angle rather than the 'meaningless' angle. Though even there, I imagine there probably are biological examples where amongst other populations, some equally arbitrary (plumage color?) obvservation has been used by competing evolving organisms. I guess the takeaway is that often the 'meaningless' still is the bottom line between comfort and starvation and death throughout the jungle and natural world.
Yup. Dead at 42. Cause isn't given but it was that he was killed by a black man who considered him a racist. Strangely, that didn't improve his opinion of blacks, nor did it improve that of his family or friends.
my money would be on intelligence communities that saw value in his exiting the stage being the ones passing out the eggs.
http://pastebin.com/dX3VSPkM
I read Slashdot 4x a day
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Which is why you're posting as AC.
Fuck Ian in his dead racist ass.
Did you even read his posts in context? They make perfect sense, should he have put quotes around "Nigger", would you have understood it then?
I didn't say they were.
If race is used as a discriminator then it's racist, no? The problem is that agitprop has abused the term to the point where it has negative connotations. It shouldn't have them.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10813524
Apparently everybody here thinks "HarrySquatter" and his accusations of "racism" are somehow important. This is a story about police brutality and a tragic suicide. I cannot imagine why people think race is important here.
Thank you.
Nope, sorry, choice of words has little to do with racism, it's how you arrange them that counts. Plenty of racists say very nasty things using flowery nice-sounding language, it's far worse than your average racist but no one calls them out on it because they didn't use any banned words. In this case Ian was warning that police brutality can affect successful white men too, and not just [short word for "who cares, it's just poor and/or black people"].
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
"Race is a load of meaningless crap. Humans like to fark too much for it to exist. It has no concept in biology"
The first and third parts of that are a lie.
That interbreeding occurs does not diminish the concept. It just means that the concept doesn't apply as cleanly to as many individuals as it used to.
Blacks can't be racist.
By "can't be racist" I'm pretty sure he meant that society doesn't treat crimes equally. If a group of whites beats up a black it's a hate crime that requires a federal investigation; if a group of blacks beats up a white it's just street crime.
You're one of those special people, right?
Why throw your body on a grenade when you can throw the body of the person next to you? Your chosen "rational" act turns out to be irrational. You did not think that through.
How do you know the hardship is short term? Pretty ignorant assumption.
You also presume to dismiss and override entire fields of study and replace with your opinion as "fact".
It is a tragedy that you post as an anonymous coward. I would seem that you are either a troll or an idiot. Could you please explain which?
SJW's, on /pol/? Come on. They're calling *him* a SJW on there.
classic false flag smear. Ian Murdock certainly was involved with the much larger debate around how to best utilize systemd. I read so many tech journalism articles about that saga that I can smell the false flag here.
If it was a Microsoft employee, it would be in the news for days.
Are you daft? Race is not a social construct. Have you ever seen black people? They have a completely different skin colour from white people. That's a fact, not a social construct. It proves that different races of human beings exist.
Your SJW attitude to *facts* is appalling, retract it.
Race is a load of meaningless crap.
This bears repeating.
Police woman humiliated him when he was drunk.
He arab spring'd
https://archive.is/cPE6h
No man with a (white) afghan child bride kills himself.
great maybe systemd will die now as well!
No, using race as a discriminator occurs all the time in medicine, there's nothing racist about it. You're the racist for insisting that any form of race recognition is automatically the one thing that you think about. I'm not joking. You're racist, even if you're against the actions of some racists, because you still buy into the simplified binary worldview and you can't conceive of a multitude of alternative worlds where race exists without a social subjugation component one way or the other.
Look at any rich rapper or sports game player who isn't white then. That's privilege and power right there.
Oh and define "white". Would you say a rich and powerful Oriental person can be racist? How about a Jew? Or is it only limited to Anglo-Saxons and Nords?
It's a matter of perspective who the SJW is. The word is about as meaningful as "troll", and means about the same, it's just limited to opinions on social issues.
The only reason you keep saying that is because you are a lazy piece of shit and want to have an excuse to receive handouts.
I have seen black people, I have seen white people, and I have seen people who don't neatly fit into a "race".
What race is Tiger Woods? What race is Rashida Jones? What race is Cher?
Just because something is a continuum rather than discrete categories doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Have you seen a chihuahua? Have you seen a bulldog?
They exist, and they're quite easy to tell apart - try kicking one in the butt. And yes, I know what a mongrel is, and no, that doesn't disprove the existence of St Bernards and greyhounds.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
This hits very close to home for me. I was also arrested for felony battery and held by the SFPD. (The San Mateo County sheriffs, who police Caltrain, were the ones to make the arrest, but I was taken to the SFPD jail.) That's the only time I've ever been in jail, and it seriously fucked with me. I always thought that I would be able to handle jail/prison - hah, wrong! It's a completely dehumanizing experience.
When I first got there, I was thrown in the drunk tank and left for hours. (After a false felony battery charge, why not a false drunk in public charge?) Like Ian, I couldn't find out anything about my situation. The guards refused to answer any of my questions. There was a phone in the cell, but it was next to useless because everyone I called was unable to navigate the byzantine collect call system. (I briefly wrote about this in a previous comment in an earlier story.) The only things to do were to ponder how truly fucking scary it would be if I were eventually tried and convicted or stare at the ceiling and wonder if the stains were feces or peanut butter from the disgusting sandwiches they provided. I'm a self-confident, mentally-stable person, but that started evaporating disturbingly fast.
Things got a little better for me once they moved me from the drunk tank to a regular cell. I finally made some progress on getting bail. They took my mugshot and started processing the fingerprint/background checks. At this point, at least there was a light at the end of the tunnel. While things were looking up for me, at this point I started seeing the more fucked up shit other people were going through. The majority of the people in my new cell were making phone calls to anyone who would answer (this phone made local calls free) trying to scrounge together bail. While I was mad as hell that I was throwing away >$2,000 in bail (10% of the $25k that Ian mentioned), I'm well-off and would have spent far more to get the hell out of there. This was a Friday night, and you wouldn't get arraigned until Monday morning if you couldn't make bail. It was heartbreaking to watch these guys make call after call for bail money that they just didn't have. In retrospect, maybe I should have helped them out, but at the time I was doing my best to keep to myself.
The low point for me was one point when I saw a number of guards rushing to some situation. I couldn't see what was going on, but it was a few minutes of a lot of shouting and one voice yelping in pain. I then saw 5-6 officers manhandling an inmate to lead him to a cell. They were forcing him to do some reverse crabwalk sorta thing with his wrists chained down by his ankles, all while he's clearly in pain and protesting that he didn't do anything. This is when it really dawned on me how much these corrupt fucks can control your lives. I was confined to this cell of thick glass and concrete because of a lie. Once in jail, there's virtually nothing stopping them from using further lies to justify abuse. I have no clue if the inmate actually did something wrong or was being abused by sadistic guards, but I sure as hell wasn't going to believe the guards (who are sheriffs) just after being falsely arrested by one of their fellow officers.
Eventually my bail went through, the background check came back clean, and I was going to be released soon. For some reason I don't understand, they again transferred me to another cell. When we got there, it was full of what I stereotyped as mentally ill homeless people. One dude was lying on the floor drooling and shaking. I could not deal with this and froze up. Ignoring that this man clearly needed to be in a hospital instead of a jail, all I could do was ask to go back to the previous cell. Thankfully, it wasn't a sheriff but an administrative employee moving me around at this point, and he was sympathetic enough to take me back to the previous cell. That was the only shred of humanity I saw from anyone who worked at the jail, and it's not
You know I asked my grandfather about the weird banker deaths, Swartz's death and now this one this evening and he had a interesting response:
"During the purge in the 1930's lots of people went missing. Mainly individuals in societal roles that some in society are not happy with."
I replied: "But these people had families and nobody hated them they did interesting things and certainly were not criminals."
His response?
"Not criminal perhaps to you and me, but those in power have their own rule of law."
Got Geometrodynamics? Awe, too hard to figure out? Too bad.
I wrote A Requiem for Ian Murdock.
Muricas time is finished. The shortest, like 50 years, empire in the history. No, you dont do this to the guy who created your nervous system. This is a country of unbelievable stupid people in power. By any logic this just cant prevail. Mindless puppets should not be allowed to even stay close to the knowledge and intelligence contributors like Ian. This is obvious: country like that cant hold a superiority for more than a generation of idiots granted with enormous power. Roman Empire was calling and asking for Vandals
No, the third part is pretty much correct. Biologically speaking, "race" isn't a thing.
There are genetic traits that run in families, and this effect does scale up. There is no trait or collection of traits that correlates with whatever "race" means this decade.
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Any sign of the bruises / beating? When did it occur? I'm curious wtf happened and when it happened
Also, nothing on his web page, did someone revert it? Anyone got a cached copy?
Are you daft? Race is not a social construct. Have you ever seen black people? They have a completely different skin colour from white people. That's a fact, not a social construct. It proves that different races of human beings exist.
Your SJW attitude to *facts* is appalling, retract it.
Is Obama black or white? Are Kazakhs arab, asian, or a different race? What about Moroccans? Are the East African ethnicities that dominate the marathon the same race as the Jamaicans who dominate sprinting? Their skin colour is the same but the body types are drastically different.
You can draw a dividing line one the colour scale and call every darker than that "black" and everyone lighter "white" or some other ethnicity, but it's not nearly as meaningful as we imagine. We use that characteristic because it's the easiest to see, but if we started grouping by some other gene variants then we would get a drastically different set of races.
I stole this Sig
I'm very shocked that the death of Ian got so little attention or coverage. He died on Monday, but the world was notified until Wednesday, without any more detail regarding his death. All you guys talking about was criticising him being racist, what's wrong with this world?
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You can draw a dividing line one the colour scale and call every darker than that "black" and everyone lighter "white" or some other ethnicity, but it's not nearly as meaningful as we imagine. We use that characteristic because it's the easiest to see, but if we started grouping by some other gene variants then we would get a drastically different set of races.
In the context you are talking about, is race only color? Race has also had the meaning of a subgroup within a species sharing characteristics. In the terms you are talking about, is only characteristic superficial skin color?
When referring to humans race is almost exclusively used to refer to colour, in which case it isn't much use outside of an often harmful social construct. If we start talking about ethnicities then it becomes more useful, but at the end of the day it's important to remember we're just referring to probability distributions of genes.
I stole this Sig
Dude, to be a Poe, you actually have to be convincing. Contrary to popular belief, it is possible to "parody" MRAs and SJWs in such a way that they can't possibly be mistaken for the real thing. SJWs and MRAs (respectively) do it all the time, and it's always painful to watch.
Of course that person was trying (and failing) to parody what they think a "SJW" (whatever that means these days) would say.
Ask practically anyone that you would consider to be a "SJW", and they would no doubt agree that both Ted Cruz and Ben Carson are a) not white (by the standards of a white supremacist), b) privileged and powerful, and c) prone to racism, at least when it comes to Syrian refugees.
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One one hand, most decisions are made on an emotional not a rational basis. But it is almost impossible to entirely separate them as we will rationalise the emotional decision. But in urgent, emergency situations it is almost purely emotional. So, jumping on the grenade is a purely emotional decision. Rationally, throwing someone else on the grenade would produce the same result - one death - but you would survive. A thick steel table would be even better. But there is no time to examine data, to think, in a hand grenade situation so whatever action is taken it will not be rational.
On the other hand, I knew a few people who have exited this world of their own accord. At least one of them I could have prevented with a few days or a week's searching. I did not make the effort and he died. Yet I do not feel guilty that I failed to act out of my own self (and family) interest. I waited for him to return. He chose not to return. That was his choice and he made it rationally, painless and carefully planned. Wether it was a good solution for him or not I will never know but it was reasoned and rational.
In the gripping hand ,we have we have those who for various reasons choose euthanasia (still suicide). A good solution for some intractable problems and a rational response to them.
So, rational/irrational, good/bad all depend on circumstances. No generalisations are possible and peoples opinions of each case will differ wildly. You would think an atheist and a deist might even agree - but for very different reasons.
The negativity (as I see it) comes from having fixed attitudes with not a lot to support them. "This is right and all else is wrong" is a bit damn religious for me. Little turns out to be black and white in reality. That is one part of the negativity. Also, In this thread I have been called an asshole, and attacked because someone desired to win an argument irregardless (and no, that does mean the same thing as regardless). That seems negative to me.
Sorry if I have offended you but it is hard to discuss things when I do not know which person is posting. AC is generic. If you have something to say then at least use "a" name. I do not care if it AC451 but unless I have some sort of identifier I tend to be flippant. Okay, more than you wanted to know. Sorry.
Did you know that there are actually standards which define terms like "chihuahua"? That's because dog breeds are marketing terms, not descriptions of phenomena found in nature.
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Just like "troll" (ah, the Golden Age of Usenet, I remember it well), the term "SJW" used to mean something specific. The Urban Dictionary definition is the best one I've seen.
Today it's meaningless, and that's a shame, because we've lost a really good word. The distinction between real-world activists who are honestly trying to make the world a better place as they see it, and those who forcefully regurgitate half-understood material exclusively online in return for kudos points, is still a distinction that exists. We just don't have a good word for the latter any more.
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SJW's, on /pol/? Come on. They're calling *him* a SJW on there.
that's /g/, not /pol/
for those who don't hang out on 4chan, /g/ is short for "guro", a kind of Japanese porn involving sexualization of gore. You can tell it's not /pol/ because /pol/, like the other SFW boards, has an orange background, while /g/ and the other NSFW boards has a blue background.
There is no setting to block all ACs?
"social construct" does not equal "smorgasbord of ideas" that an individual can choose from at will.
This is horrible.
Having gone through the data I could find this evening, it appears that Ian was a victim of mental illness and perhaps substance abuse which initiated two interactions with police. I do not have sufficient information to say if police conduct was at fault.
He was a very bright and creative guy who, unfortunately went through lots of ups and downs. He didn't deserve to end this way. Nobody does.
Bruce Perens.
I'll never forget the first time I did 'apt-get update '. It was on dial up.
My computer somehow just fired up some dial up script (wvdial?), connected to the internet and before I knew it.. I was downloading updates.
I was mystified how it was all so automated. I spent hours on dselect playing with whatever packages seemed interesting.
I see the way that the apple app store works now and I can't help but think how debian was waaaay ahead its time for a centralized app repository.
RIP Ian and thank you for debian.
> "racism" can't be cause _and_ effect
Of course it can, that setup happens in the real universe on every level all the time. Science is filled with examples in every field - it's called a "feedback loop". With a completely artificial man-made construct like race, if anything, it's simpler. Physical feedback loops need two components - x causes y which causes another x. With a made-up idea, that idea can perpetuate itself indefinitely and x can cause more without even needing that intermediary y.
Unicode killed the ASCII-art *
Yes... but you are basically claiming that a brown bulldog and a white bulldog are not the same breed !
Unicode killed the ASCII-art *
Simply put - studies have repeatedly found that there is far more genetic diversity *within* races than *between* races.
Unicode killed the ASCII-art *
Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another.
Your talk about "a social relationship of white supremacy" is bullshit.
A man is dead. A good man who did great things in our lives. He's dead. At only 42 years old. The cause is unknown, and the information shared publicly is either a cover up or very disturbing. As a big community, the only thing we should be talking about is why. Was he at a mental breaking point, did something terrible happen to him, was he murdered? These are are legitimate concerns we should have, not your petty juvenile banter about his supposed words or your topically incorrect assumptions about racism. He's dead people, and at least those in the peanut gallery really don't understand why. Please, get over yourselves and start asking the right questions.
Linux developers don't die, they just become part of /dev/null
Obama identifies as black because of the way he looks. If you put his picture in a pile of 100 other pictures of random people and asked people to separate the pictures by race, Obama's picture would be put in the black pile every time.
Yeah right, that's why whites profit a lot from Affirmative Action and hate crime penalties are only instituted when a white person is the victim.
I'm getting bored
Being part of mankind
There's not a lot to do no more
This race is a waste of time
People rushing everywhere
Swarming around like flies
Think I'll buy a forty-four
Give them all a surprise
Think I'm gonna kill myself
'Cause a little suicide
Stick around for a couple of days
What a scandal if I died
Yeah I'm gonna kill myself
Get a little headline news
I'd like to see what the papers say
On the state of white man blues
A rift in my family
I can't use the car
I gotta be in by ten o'clock
Who do they think they are
I'd make an exception
If you want to save my life
Brigitte Bardot gotta come
And see me every night
People calling other people SJW doesn't seem to use the expression within its meaning. It is like people using autism as an insult. They just throw it in at any opportunity they can find.
It has reached a point where I just disregard anyone who throws the SJW card as an idiot.
This link
https://archive.is/2Cdj1
gives a "451 Unavailable For Legal Reasons".
You need to go back and read what he said. Very slowly and very carefully. If at that point you don't see that your response makes no sense, return and read it again. And again. And again.
"There is no trait or collection of traits that correlates with whatever "race" means this decade."
Haha, ok, then y'all modern types are trying to redefine the word "race", and not claiming that the normal, plain meaning of the word has no biological basis. That's circular reasoning. #wrongskin
right, and we share 97% of our DNA with mice
Bunch of cunts. Thinking you're so smart but you're without wisdom. A guy died and your egos want to dance on his grave, wanna be know it alls. Fuck you.
The difference between what you said and what I said, is that what I said is scientific fact.
That's why humans don't *have* "races" in the biological sense, we do have what biologists call "klines". The difference is important. Races have unique genes not found in other groups while clines are merely concentrations of genes which are, nevertheless, found in other populations of the species.
There is not a single racially unique gene in the entire human genome anywhere. Asians have a high concentration of the slanty-eye gene, but you still get Asians with round eyes and you get people born with slanty eyes in every *other* ethnic group as well just not nearly as often.
Scandinavian and Germanic whites have the highest concentration of the "blonde hair" gene - but you get blondes born in every other racial group as well - hell there is a village in Mongolia that has blonde-haired blue-eyed girls at a rate of about 3 per generation. Yes you do get natural blonde black and aboriginal people - they are rare, but they exist.
There is no gene unique to any population group anywhere in the human race. Concentrations with no unique genes are klines, they are *not* races by the definition of those terms.
Like blond Africans or red head Chinese, let's not get over excited with the we are all humans war cry
"That's why humans don't *have* "races" in the biological sense, we do have what biologists call "klines". The difference is important."
Please explain why the difference is important. One sounds like the normal civilian language and the other professional jargon, but both have the same meaning & effect.
Protip: If you start a fight with the police, expect to be taken down.
No, they would make up some "Uncle Tom" bullshit excuse for their behavior, and blame it on white people.
No I don't. You need to reread what I said to him slowly and carefully. Then you'd realize I was discussing it with him.
Can't tell if sarcasm, or incredibly fucking stupid.
Fuck you, autistic SJW racist.
Guess you are the stupid one then.
First link, not the second.
Another master samurai has laid down to rest. Be at peace, Ian; and thanks for such great software!
"... people absolutely can choose to move from one tribe to another. "
Contrary to your later assertion, that statement does in fact strongly imply that racial identity is merely a matter of a persons individual choice.
"Could Barack Obama decide to be white? Sure. He could decide to self-identify as white, and he could announce that to the world. The response would be a mixture of bafflement, outrage and laughter, and no one would buy it, because his tribal membership is too strongly and publicly established."
And here you contradict yourself, invalidate any point you are trying to make and obliterate any meaningful content in your post.
That was intended for AC. Not you.
A good indication Murdock had a clinker in his thinker was his decision to use That Word, which (just witness this thread!) did nothing but spiral the discussion in unfortunate and unproductive ways. It dissipated the vector of whatever it was that Murdock was trying to achieve ...assuming he wasn't just ill. Which is how it's looking.
It's damning that no friends have spoken up to describe his brutality experience, comportment, appearance, injuries, and so on. Someone who is right in their head would have turned to allies, family, friends, colleagues. Casting bytes into the abyss of Twitter instead... not a rational response.
Perhaps he had no one? What would that indicate, if so?
In that way, all the indicators (the banging on neighbors' houses, the interactions with the cops, the rants, That Word, and ultimately suicide) indicate far more about Murdock and his mental state than about the cops or anything else. Unfortunately it also adds up to a blank slate upon which the agenda'd can cast their own dysfunctions.
Seems his passing adds up to a waste. Pity.
Public Service Announcement: This guy is a psychopath troll. He's not *actually* that fucked up in the head, he just wants you to think so, to get you to waste time and effort trying to explain reality to him. To him, it's a fun little game.
Read his autobiography (I forget which one it's in), he 'choose' to be black.
KGIII thank you for your perspective.. thats the CORRECT PERSPECTIVE you assholes!
Heres another one... that's going to surely be misunderstood and ignored for its substance and intentionally broken into puzzle pieces as I have to say something but cant say everything in a linear way safely. Either way I have to say something.. I have been silent too long and I need to for Ian.
I am white, I am not racist. There is one race... human race. Species.
We use the word race... oddly nobody ever points out that the word race isn't even meaningful. What is a race?
Now that I have spent time saying stuff people will scroll past... here is my point.
I had to leave S.F. and everything/everyone I ever cared about recently. ... that is all the things I have built/created/owned.
I used to be a person who had a career. I used to be a person who created jobs and who also was in the same position as Ian in life.
It felt great to be that man. I was generous, I was able to be thankful, grateful. I did drugs too and also I was a liberal forward thinking hacker/activist.
I did a lot of things that would get the attention of the NSA, etc. (hi guys!) unintentionally... then when I knew that they were watching me I changed my thinking and became ultra paranoid. My life fell apart. I was harassed. I was abused. I was kidnapped I was robbed I was treated like a black man. I interviewed a lot of black men when I was in jail. I debated with them the problems and came up with solutions. I was overheard.. and punished severely for getting people to respect themselves. To stand up to these scum we pay to harm people. They have a word for this type of egghead in jails... "jailhouse lawyers".
I was not allowed to get a job. I was recruited to work on the east coast. They will find me after they see I posed this. I don't care anymore. Come and get me. I'll fucking kill myself too before you do because I have nothing left to lose (thay took it all from me.. everything.).
So... I left SF after an altercation with police that nearly got me killed. I have been in hiding ever since.. it was all based on a position I took as an activist and professional to stick up for what I believed in. I was defending this to the death. I am now like people who are "lower class" (but merely look like they are.. intentionally? NO. usually after courts and police activity caused them to take some fall.. it becomes a targeting thing after that.. it snowballs and can wreck an organized and financially stable person in a matter of months.) I got (more than few times in a year) chased, hunted, robbed, beaten, kidnapped, harassed, stalked, manipulated, slandered, and all of the very things that make me look like I amdelusional when I speak about them. I know people like me are and have been killed every day. DHS has what they call "waste" like me cleaned up like clockwork... people are being set into little algorithmic traps.. being pushed down stairwells into sewers to find when they wake up, a motorcycle then explodes when you hit 30mph. Yes that last sentence was an allegory of sorts.
Sorry if my post is selfiswh but Ian is like me and to see this makes me want to speak out for myself but mostly for Ian in the way that I wish I could give him some advice.. and rescue him but that chance is gone now.
Until someday when I have money again... so I can buy my way back to the US.
Just kidding... I'm never going back. Fuck the USA. Fuck the police state. Fuck your oil wells and your military and most of all fuck your "freedom" that you never had. Its not like people are fighting for it.. you have to know it isnt cool for you all to sit at home while people are protesting in Oakland... when cops are running and gunning down mortorcyclists on the 280. Did i just say that? Yeah. You guys will just watch this kind of thing on your morning cvommute and make a guy like Ian think that you all are complicit and part of the operation at hand. If you cared you wouldnt be so fucking comfortable in your mercedes... or blame the guy being shot at in the lane next to you.
racist ËreÉsÉst/Submit noun 1. a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another. "I had a fear of being called a racist" synonyms: racial bigot, racialist, xenophobe,
Only boring people are ever bored.
Haha, ok, then y'all modern types are trying to redefine the word "race", [...]
It's not so long ago in the United States that Irish people were not considered "white". European Jews still aren't, to most racists.
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If we start talking about ethnicities then it becomes more useful, but at the end of the day it's important to remember we're just referring to probability distributions of genes.
Exactly.
To pick one famous example, we tend to associate sickle-cell anemia with people of Sub-Saharan African ancestry, but the incidence is higher in Saudi Arabia than it is in (say) Somalia or Lesotho.
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A merely lexical analysis of your sentence contradicts your claim of non-existence of races. (If they didn't exist, you couldn't differentiate diversity within / between them.)
And if you retreat to word games ("race" didn't mean "race"), then note that the existence of "far more diversity" with respect to some genes says nothing whatsoever about the existence of less-diverse shared other genes in various populations.
A mere 30 IQ is enough to differentiate meanings in context. When I spoke of diversity within/between them I used race in the coloqial sense, in the latter post I used the proper biological definitions and pointed out that humans actually have clines, not races.
So if we use proper biological terminology there is more genetic diversity within any particular cline than there is between them.
The two statements are both true - but they are not about each other, they say two unrelated truths about the same topic - both truths however support the fact that biologically humans do not have races.
where is open source when we need it, eh?
i'm bleeding inside, i NEED to hear you out, to KNOW what happened for you, from you.
i need to see your code.
all i get is these damned twitter messages, where is the REST?
i'm sure i understand a little of where you have been, have been there myself, i feel, many times.
like most of us, i live in debian, love it because i can read EVERY WORD of it's story.
i need to know yours now, please show us where to find it.
thank you, ian, from the bottom of my heart,
all the best, out there..
another debian user
The assassination plot was planned in the freemasons lodge of London because Ian refused to give up Debian's security. As you all know, the freemason govs are really bothered from the Internet because it is the only thing that you could not control! RIP Ian.
I encourage everyone reading this, regardless of where you live, to contact California Assemblyman David Chiu. Chiu is a the California state legislator for the district including San Francisco. He is a mainstream elitist Democrat, but historically he has been close to the Silicon Valley tech community.
When you call Chiu's office, politely explain the Murdock case if the staffer you speak with is not familiar. Mention that the SFPD is widely known to be corrupt. Then - again, politely - ask that the Assemblyman work to have the incident investigated by an independent investigator from outside the San Francisco Police Department. A state assemblymember does not have direct legal authority to appoint an investigator - but for sure, if an elected legislator speaks out, many people will listen.
Assemblyman Chiu's office phone number is (916) 319-2017. His staffer was interested and courteous when I called earlier today. You can also contact Chiu electronically thru his official website
Your SJW attitude
I've been wondering about this for a while... Since when is justice a bad thing?
the dominance left wing social engineering has on the media, education, and government policy
From an international perspective, there is no left wing in the US. There is right-wing and further-right-wing.
When people use the goal of obtaining "justice" to actually impose tyranny.