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Wired To Block Ad-Blocking Users, Offer Subscription (wired.com)

AmiMoJo writes: In a blog post Wired has announced that it will begin to block users who block ads on its site: "On an average day, more than 20 percent of the traffic to WIRED.com comes from a reader who is blocking our ads. We know that you come to our site primarily to read our content, but it's important to be clear that advertising is how we keep WIRED going," wrote the editors. The post goes on to offer two options for users blocking ads: whitelist wired.com or subscribe for $1/week.

675 comments

  1. Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bye then!

    1. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yep. Funny how suddenly, after years of abusing ads for profit, sites are now trying to act like innocent victims just trying to keep the lights on. Time to sleep in the bed you spent the last 20 years making.

    2. Re:Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Exactly. It's not like Wired offers anything that I can't get elsewhere.

    3. Re:Ok. by Sax+Russell+5449D29A · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Pretty much this. I wonder when big sites start realizing that by default they actually *can* show ads even to people that use ad blocking extensions. All they have to do is host the material themselves and place it within the normal content.

      There's been quite a few big sites doing bold moves such as this. I wonder if these sites fighting ad blockers will eventually have to submit to the same fate some German publishers suffered when fighting against their news articles being listed in Google: they lost 80% of their traffic just like that.

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    4. Re:Ok. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      How many other publications have tech news for non-techies?

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    5. Re:Ok. by NotDrWho · · Score: 2, Funny

      But where will I go to find out how Apple's new whatever-the-fuck is going to CHANGE EVERYTHING?

      Without Wired, I would never know how Revolutionary and Game-Changing it is every time Tim Cook takes a shit.

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    6. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How is selling ads "abusing" them? The whole damn point of the enterprise is to make some jingle. You want free content? Go watch cat videos on youtube. You want something edited, well, someone's got to pay the writers and editors.

    7. Re:Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. If their business model fails, they must find another one.

    8. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How is selling ads "abusing" them?

      How is using *my* electricity, risking *my* computer's integrity, distracting *my* attention for *your* profit not abusing *my* resources?

    9. Re: Ok. by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh bullshit, they didn't sell any ads, they signed up to an abusive tracking filled ad network that did all of the work for them.

      If I start a convenience store and can figure out a way to stay afloat selling Snickers and M&Ms, then hooray for me, but please don't call me a confectioner.

      If they want to sell ads, actually sell the space like they did in their print version 20 years ago, and host them first party, and we'd have a hell of a time blocking them in the first place.

    10. Re: Ok. by naris · · Score: 1

      Well, since in your world everything is free, please let me know where I can get free food, free gas and a free mortgage! Then everyone can quit their jobs and live on all this free stuff that apparently exists in the world!

    11. Re:Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Direct selling is only possible by the biggest sites (Google, Facebook), everyone, and I mean absolutely everyone else MUST use ad exchanges because advertisers don't want to deal with dozens if not tens of thousands different web sites. Imagine if Coke or Pepsi had to contact each of the top 1000 sites to run an ad that had to absolutely run during the superbowl. Without an ad exchange, I can assure you that maybe only a dozen sites would respond in time.

      Many advertisers want ads to only run during certain days, times or even holidays, and only a set amount. If I want to spend 10,000$ in advertising, I get the best bang for the buck if I let the ad exchange figure out which sites are most likely to click on the ads.

      Pirate sites like 4chan,8ch, reddit, porn sites like youporn, redtube, and piracy facilitating image/file sharing sites like imgur, funnyjunk, mediafire, tinypic/photobucket, keep2share, and so forth run garbage quality ads because advertisers don't want to be associated with piracy, so only the scummiest ads appear on these sites.

    12. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoosh

    13. Re:Ok. by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 2

      Bye then!

      Even back when magazines were still a thing, that was a subscription I could have lived without. Wired is the Forbes of the tech world: orthogonal to reality, intentionally obtuse and frequently irrelevant.

      Ad blocking is a good thing, it helps zombies ease the transition back to the grave.

    14. Re: Ok. by epyT-R · · Score: 5, Insightful

      1. ads went from small simple banners to huge flash/js animated annoyances to javascript powered spyware.
      2. ad networks don't care about malware, making adblock a necessity, not just for sanity but for security.
      3. ads cover most of the screenspace these days, making sites illegible.

      Web 2.0 really did make this bed. Now it can sleep in it.

    15. Re: Ok. by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Oh bullshit, they didn't sell any ads, they signed up to an abusive tracking filled ad network that did all of the work for them.

      If I start a convenience store and can figure out a way to stay afloat selling Snickers and M&Ms, then hooray for me, but please don't call me a confectioner.

      I'm sorry, that's a totally lousy analogy. Here's a better analogy for you:

      I have a convenience store, and in order to make a healthy profit, I find a company that makes candy and *pays me* to give it away at my store. Unfortunately, a certain percentage of this free candy is laced with arsenic or cyanide or ricin. I know about this, but I don't care because I'm getting money from the candy-maker to give away this poisoned candy to my customers.

    16. Re: Ok. by zieroh · · Score: 5, Interesting

      How is selling ads "abusing" them? The whole damn point of the enterprise is to make some jingle. You want free content? Go watch cat videos on youtube. You want something edited, well, someone's got to pay the writers and editors.

      Wired ads are among the most abusive and intrusive I have encountered at a mainstream site on the internet. I like their content, and I'd happily accept ads to read their content. I will not, however, accept that I have to be repeatedly assaulted with slowly-unfolding video popups, excessive DOM manipulation, extensive tracking, and other acts of advertising abuse.

      I will go so far as to say that it was Wired that made me finally install an ad blocker to begin with. They are that bad.

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    17. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. Some ads I can live with. Cross site tracking and random malware from ad networks not so much.

      So I rather think I'll take option 3 and just not go to their site at all.

      Actually have an advertising department that, you know, employs people and signs up clients and integrate the ads with your layout properly and it'd be fine because that's hard to block anyway as was said by another poster. Outsource it to crappy unaccountable ad companies and--so long.

    18. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must have missed the part where YouTube started requiring a subscription or forces you to watch ads. Comment fail.

    19. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, I quit reading wired because every 4th article was an Apple blowjob. Bastion of vapid fucking fanboi morons.

    20. Re:Ok. by shubus · · Score: 1

      Yes, the more sites that implement this, the better off we'll be....we can say goodbye to those sites. OK with me!

    21. Re: Ok. by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

      Is that a per video choice? Have any examples? I got alarmed when i saw your comment and loaded a random video and it displayed OK.

    22. Re: Ok. by ScentCone · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      How is using *my* electricity, risking *my* computer's integrity, distracting *my* attention for *your* profit not abusing *my* resources?

      Because YOU are the one choosing to go consume the content that someone else risks time and money to create. Nobody is forcing you to go to Wired for your amusement. But you're looking to use a technical method to separate the content you want to see from the content that the person who's creating and hosting that content wants to include in what you're not paying them for in order to do pesky things like not go bankrupt as they meet payroll and keep producing the thing to which you feel entitled at no cost.

      What are you, 12? Yeah, I thought so.

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    23. Re: Ok. by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      And on that day, the people of Slashtonville witnessed their first +6 post.

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    24. Re:Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bye then!

      Actually, I was thinking something more along the lines of "And nothing was lost!" But it's all good.

    25. Re: Ok. by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

      After every Apple press conference, Wired is all but unreadable for at least two weeks afterwards. Every article is "THIS NEW APPLE PRODUCT IS GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!!!" It doesn't even need to be a new product. Apple can announce a minor upgrade on an existing product and you'll get 10 Wired stories on how the minor upgrade is going to "CHANGE EVERYTHING!"

      I picture Wired HQ having a giant statue of Steve Jobs in the front of the building that employees are required to offer sacrifices to every morning.

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    26. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you think I can afford my good, gas, and mortgage? By not paying subscriptions fees to every other person and company online.

    27. Re: Ok. by Wycliffe · · Score: 3, Informative

      How is selling ads "abusing" them?

      How is using *my* electricity, risking *my* computer's integrity, distracting *my* attention for *your* profit not abusing *my* resources?

      This is like entering into a cage fight and then complaining about getting hurt. Noone makes you go to an ad-supported website and read their content. They aren't using your resources, you are using your own resources (and theirs) everytime you read their content. If you don't like it, stop reading their content but don't complain that they want to support the writers of that content. I have no problem with reasonable ads. I get most of my news from news.google.com which has a nice feature that lets me block providers. If I see an obnoxious ad or I reach the "10 article limit" on a particular site, I just permanently block that news site from my feed. If it's an important story then it will be reported by dozens of sites so blocking 20 or so sites isn't a big deal.

    28. Re: Ok. by Mal-2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So they can host the ads locally and vet them for malware. They'll fly right past adblockers. Browsing without an adblocker is like fucking without a condom. You should only do it with someone you really, really trust.

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    29. Re: Ok. by war4peace · · Score: 1

      What are you, 12? Yeah, I thought so.

      So... if the answer to the question is "no"... did you expect it?
      What if it's "yes"? Did you expect that as well?

      If any answer proves your expectation, then why ask the question?

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    30. Re: Ok. by operagost · · Score: 2

      Well, just because you can make ads that fill up the entire page and can't be skipped, move around the screen, play videos and sound, or redirect the browser to another page, doesn't mean you should. That's abuse.

      It's annoying how much space is dedicated to advertising in a print magazine, but at least it doesn't do those things. If it did, print would be dying even faster than it is.

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    31. Re: Ok. by crtreece · · Score: 1

      Bravo!

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    32. Re: Ok. by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Confirming they run ads on many videos. Some are more bearable than others, and I'm really not sure if it's an uploader choice, a network choice or what.
      Some videos have only one small mobile-like rectangular small add located at bottom-middle of the video, it tends to appear about 15-30 seconds in.
      Other videos feature a series of such things, popping up every couple minutes or so, that's bloody annoying.
      Other videos yet have a full-screen ad autoplaying right after the regular video ends.
      And finally I've seen a couple occasions where the ad starts before the regular video starts, full-screen, unskippable, bloody fucking annoying. I usually just close that video and if this happens repeatedly for the same channel, I unsubscribe from that channel.

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    33. Re: Ok. by HangingChad · · Score: 5, Interesting

      How is selling ads "abusing" them?

      I serve up ads on my website and adblock has never been a problem. The images come from my domain and I write ads inline with the copy and make them relevant to the posted topics. Not only does adblock not stop them, they're far more effective being embedded and relevant to the content.

      So, what I hear sites like Boomberg and Wired saying is we want to dish out obnoxious ads from third party advertising networks. They want to outsource advertising income and don't want to work at it themselves. They can't be bothered to make advertising deals for products and services relevant to what their readers want.

      This discussion isn't about ads, it's about dictating the terms on which those ads are delivered.

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    34. Re:Ok. by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      How does it work for the top 1000 print publications? I'm pretty sure there is no ad exchange in the print world and each publication is approving, proofing, and setting those ads for print. Even if there is some sort of ad exchange in place, each publication is still approving, proofing, and setting those ads for print. Why can't online publications do the same? Again, even with an ad exchange, require the publishers to approve, proof, and "set" (in this case, by checking a box) the ads that display on their sites. Make the publishers responsible for the content they publish.

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    35. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is the dirty secret of the online ad industry that because they've so abused their position that consumers ignore ads & only by being creepy, sneaky, data-mining bastards can they get any viable return on their ill-gotten investment?

      I ask because it would be technically trivial to set up a company that serves 100% no creepy shit banner ads yet nobody seems to be doing that.

      As for Wired, well they can make sweet love to themselves with a pneumatic drill. Their mix of 'Wow, awesome' stories that were thinly-disguised promotions of hyper libertarian nonsense along with vomit-inducing typography put me off their print edition way back in the 90s. Since then they appear to have learned nothing and this move will most likely crash their viewership quicker than Dick Dastardly driving an F1 car while stoned.

    36. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not forgetting ads that are borderline fraud.

      "Win an iPhone!"

      Just answer these 25 questions. Ummm, okay.

      Now give us your cell phone number so we can send you 65 reverse-billed texts. No, fuck you.

    37. Re:Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you got that right .. the options provided are:
          1. allow malvertising infection, or
          2. pay $1/week for malvertising.
      some choice, eh?

      (recall the case where a publisher no less august than Forbes served up malvertising for the masses. conclusion: to surf without ad-blocking is unwise.)

    38. Re: Ok. by g01d4 · · Score: 1

      find a company that makes candy and *pays me* to give it away at my store

      I didn't think the advertisers created the content for Wired. If they don't the analogy might be the company gives away the candy they make but when you walk into their store someone, who's paid the company for the right, steps in front of you, shouts their ad in your face, then photocopies the contents of your wallet. If you're not careful your wallet gets lifted.

    39. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry but. I don't care how they do it. I'm not allowing ads in anyways. I'll block ads and bullshit javascript; I don't give TWO SHITS about how they site makes their "revenue" to "stay afloat". It's NOT MY PROBLEM.

      And shame on you for supporting an EXPLOITATIVE money making process. inb4 muh internets needs ads to survive.

    40. Re: Ok. by Coren22 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Browsing without an adblocker is like fucking without a condom. You should only do it with someone you really, really trust.

      I'm gonna use that as my signature, hope you don't mind.

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    41. Re: Ok. by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 0

      How is using *my* electricity, risking *my* computer's integrity, distracting *my* attention for *your* profit not abusing *my* resources?

      Because you are using *your* electricity and *your* attention to consume *their* content that they produced on *their* dime. No Free Lunch.

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    42. Re: Ok. by david_thornley · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I now do have a way of paying Wired, if I like. I don't know if I used to.

      You need to consider what's involved in paying for things. I'm happy to let people display some images on my screen so they get paid for it and support the site. However, accepting advertising nowadays means having people running arbitrary programs on my machine, including malware, with no accountability. If it were a transaction where I knew what I'd be getting, I'd consider it. For example, if I liked Wired a lot, I'd pay the subscription money. If somebody would be responsible for any damage caused, I'd consider it.

      Right now, running arbitrary advertising is a bad idea for the economy as a whole. The expected value for the gain for the site is much smaller than the expected value for the loss incurred by the user, which means that unchecked ads are destructive, net. If this causes problems for the websites, well, I'm sorry, but I'm the one taking all the risk here, and your website is probably not worth enough to me to justify the risk.

      I feel entitled to send HTTP requests to websites. Except in the very few cases where I've got an agreement, I'm not entitled to any particular reply, so if the reply is the HTTP equivalent of "Die in a fire!" I accept that and move on.

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    43. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When are you pricks ... erm, advertisers.. going to speak English? "Consume" the content? Fuck you, I'm READING a text, WATCHING a movie or LISTENING to a song. I'm not consuming anything, it's still there, dumbfucks.
      OK, now back to your ramblings: did anybody forced you to publish anything on the net? Yeah, I thought so.

    44. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Genuinely curious here, as I haven't suffered ads in years and don't want to go back to the stone age.
       
      Are Wired ads intrusive? Are/were they malicious?
       
      Or did Wired vet them properly like a self-respecting proprietor should do?

    45. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahhhhh but !

      If they host their own ads locally and they end up serving up Malware, then they're on the hook for it aren't they ?
      Going third party gives them plausible deniability if / when the Trojans, Spy and Malware start showing up.

      Since they don't even want to touch that potential risk to revenue with a 10-foot pole, they outsource it and claim ignorance of the whole thing.

    46. Re: Ok. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      How it is abuse can be easily seen by the whining that soars up today.

      You know how the majority of people using the internet today have ZERO clue concerning computers, right? And if it wasn't for them installing adblockers now, none of the advertising businesses would be butthurt, because everyone else is but a tiny bit of static in the buzz of the web. You, me, pretty much anyone using this page here, we don't count in the grand scheme of things for companies on the internet. What they're after is our Joe here. Now, let's take a look at the computer of Mr. Joe Average Surfer.

      Mr. Joe Average sits there with enough browser-bars to fill his screen to 2/3.

      But he doesn't do jack to get rid of them.

      He also dutifully clicks away 20+ windows when his PC starts due to all the crap he installed with various "free" programs he wanted.

      But he doesn't do jack to get rid of them.

      He even has more trojans, keyloggers and privacy-stealing malware installed than the average antivirus researcher.

      But he doesn't do jack to get rid of them.

      Can you even begin to fathom just HOW MUCH ads had to abuse Mr. Randomsurfer that he went out of his way to install adblockers?

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    47. Re: Ok. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Right. Nobody is forcing me to go there.

      So I can only say to them what I kept saying the RIAA for the past decades: I can live without you. Can you without me?

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    48. Re: Ok. by TylerJWhit · · Score: 0

      You ARE entitled to a particular reply. You don't get to decide what the web server sends as a response to your HTTP/S request unless you host the site. When you type in the URL and your PC sends a request, you have ALREADY agreed to view the content received. You CHOOSE to view the site by going to it.

    49. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeap, I did, thanks ublock and noscript for that!

    50. Re: Ok. by Calydor · · Score: 1

      I suggest cutting the second 'really' as you're missing the last few letters in that signature. Maybe contract the two into "someone you REALLY trust."

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    51. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the right way to use advertising. The sad thing is that it isn't that third party ad sales companies are the wrong concept, it is that they refuse to implement their services the way you describe. If they provided ads that were prepared the way you do it and did not include active content, the readers would view that as acceptable and sometimes beneficial.

    52. Re:Ok. by Maxwell · · Score: 1

      Yes they do, they actually write stuff. Sometime long in-depth articles that you can't get anywhere else. Unlike newspapers who mostly repost wire stories and want to charge for access to it, Wired has a long history of producing original content.

    53. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I visited their site without ad-block. There were two ads in French, one playing an irritating French voice trying to sell me real estate in some luxury resort for French speaking expats and another trying to sell me cars of expensive brands (Ferrari, Lamborghini, ...). I don't like auto play ads. I'm not rich, so I'm not going to live an renters live on an exotic island in the Pacific Ocean (although I wish I could!), and I don't speak French!

      For me that sounds like abusing ads for profit. I wish I could warn the people who pay for all those worthless non relevant ads, but I can't. I can't proof it, but I'm pretty sure that those ads are also part of a tracking system that tries to create a shadow profile of my online presence. I don't want this. They don't say they are tracking me before I opened their website. The only thing I can do is to block unwanted content and block tracking sites. If their only way to monetize my visit is by showing irrelevant and tracking ads or by requiring me to create an account with an organization I don't know I can trust or not, especially considering that I need to provide my financial data to pay them over the internet, then it will probably be a good bye.
       
        The only reason I visited Wired is by accident (I clicked on the link in the article in Slashdot), so I will not miss them. And they will probably not miss me either. But this time I will be gone forever, since they are going to block me anyway without giving me a chance to discover if their articles are worth paying for.

      Why can't the content providers create something like the iTunes store. Only one shop you have to trust and you can pay for any content that is offered in that iTunes like shop. I would be happy to pay some money to read some articles. But I'm not planning to create way too many accounts with way too many different organizations and trust them all with my financial data only to make micro-payments. I used to go to a kiosk to buy news papers or magazines. You could browse through the magazines/news papers or ask advice from the shop owner. Blocking users without offering an overview like in a kiosk will not do good for their business model.

    54. Re: Ok. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I didn't see that.

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    55. Re: Ok. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you should link the whole string instead of your last debunked argument. After all, every argument you make was debunked in that thread.

      http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

      So, when are you going to start addressing the concerns instead of attacking strawmen I never spoke of?

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    56. Re: Ok. by KermodeBear · · Score: 4, Informative

      When I reach the "10 Article Limit" on a site I just clear my cookies and continue reading.

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    57. Re: Ok. by Chas · · Score: 1

      How is using *my* electricity, risking *my* computer's integrity, distracting *my* attention for *your* profit not abusing *my* resources?

      Because YOU are the one choosing to go consume the content that someone else risks time and money to create. Nobody is forcing you to go to Wired for your amusement. But you're looking to use a technical method to separate the content you want to see from the content that the person who's creating and hosting that content wants to include in what you're not paying them for in order to do pesky things like not go bankrupt as they meet payroll and keep producing the thing to which you feel entitled at no cost.

      What are you, 12? Yeah, I thought so.

      So, if their ad network slings a drive-by download of malware on him, it's HIS fault?

      Fuck that noise.

      Online advertising is unprotected sex (except nowhere near as enjoyable) with a stranger.

      Ad Blockers are condoms.

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    58. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you not understand the difference between the Internet and television?

    59. Re:Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Half of Wired articles are advertisements posing as article anyway. Their whole Gadgets section for example. Glowing articles about shiny.

    60. Re: Ok. by zieroh · · Score: 1

      You must have missed the part where YouTube started requiring a subscription or forces you to watch ads. Comment fail.

      Nope. YouTube isn't nearly as bad as Wired.

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    61. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No this is like walking into a shop to browse, getting screeched at to buy shit and leaving with gonorrhoea. Then they have the gall to accuse people who wear ear defenders and condoms thieves.

    62. Re: Ok. by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      How is selling ads "abusing" them?

      I serve up ads on my website and adblock has never been a problem. The images come from my domain and I write ads inline with the copy and make them relevant to the posted topics. Not only does adblock not stop them, they're far more effective being embedded and relevant to the content.

      See, that's the problem here -- you're working for your money. That's not how corporations do it.

    63. Re:Ok. by Zeio · · Score: 1

      In this case I use Google cache, if Google or Bing caches dont work - Im done. There just isnt anything on the internet worth putting up with scumbag ads which are obtrusive, distracting and full of scumware, malware, trojans and script hacks. I root android only to use AdAway.

      Ads that are not "worked into" the content are toast. And good ads, eg, BMW chase ads or superbowl ads that are funny often become the destination for people to watch on youtube, etc. So marketers best be making great products, have great service, get high ratings on the etailer and build a brand and get creative with advertising.

      Marketing rats dont realize most sheeple dont care or know why they buy things and the people who are conscious make heavy duty use of comparative reviews, forums, youtube reviews, etc.

      The days of spam working are over imho.

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    64. Re:Ok. by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Oh no! You mean you won't consume their content and offer them no compensation for the massive effort and resources involved in producing it? I'm sure they are all broke up about that.

    65. Re: Ok. by Krojack · · Score: 2

      Or complaining that a TV station is using your electric to show you TV commercials.

    66. Re:Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The days of spam working are over imho.

      One of the first spams I ever received from a "legitimate" business was from Wired. This was back when only a handful of magazines had websites. I don't think they'll ever learn that spam is wrong.

    67. Re: Ok. by crtreece · · Score: 2

      I don't get to choose what the site sends as a response, that is correct. I DO get to choose what to do with that response. If it doesn't include scripts, doesn't try to track me through the site or to other sites, doesn't include any Flash based elements, and doesn't include ads that are hosted by a third party, chances are I will allow my web browser to load and display the provided response.
      If any of the above are included, they will be blocked. If that means I cannot see the content, then I will leave and make a note of how that site treated me. After a few times, I'll just quit clicking links to that site. If I am quite interested in the content, I'll use a search engine to find a different site with a similar story. If non exists, oh well, I'll get over it.
      Clicking on a link is not a signal to the remote site owner that I am willing to let them abuse my computing resources in any way they choose, it is merely an attempt to negotiate an exchange of data.

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    68. Re: Ok. by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      How is using *my* electricity, risking *my* computer's integrity, distracting *my* attention for *your* profit not abusing *my* resources?

      because you chose to load their website? how is consuming their content and offering zero compensation to them not abusing THEIR resources? really pathetic. "hey, i disagree with your business model but i still want your sh** so i'm just going to take it, because i can."

      with any moral choice, you only need to consider what the world would be like if everyone applied the same logic as you. i hope i don't need to help you any further with figuring this one out.

    69. Re: Ok. by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      So I can only say to them what I kept saying the RIAA for the past decades: I can live without you. Can you without me?

      can they live without you consuming their content and resources and blocking their ability to obtain compensation from you?
      yeah, i think so genius.

    70. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More to the point, consuming strongly implies that the product is no longer there, or has been substantially changed or even reduced in value.

      Marketers need to lean to English.

    71. Re: Ok. by PostScience · · Score: 1

      Out of curiosity, what is your website? What kind of CPM are you getting? I own a website called JetPunk.com that gets over 250,000 page views a day, and I am not able to sell ads. If you have a very specific topic, then maybe you can sell your own ads. If you get general traffic, then selling ads is very very difficult.

    72. Re: Ok. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      By sending hundreds of kilobytes of data as an ad.

      It's horrific on mobile devices on wifi.

      And by not vetting ads so (as happened in reality last month to Forbes), they are serving malware.

      I'm sure I could think of others...

      oh yea, flashing, blinking, taking over the screen, click jacking you with transparent ads.

      Probably more.

      Reasonable, low bandwidth ads may get ignored but they don't get blocked unless they are from somewhere with abusive ads.

      --
      She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
    73. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, there's the poor deluded troll APK again, dreaming of imaginary wins.
      APK, you're a loser and a spammer, give it away.

    74. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, its like putting on a condom before a random lay and the other person stops the whole affair cold until you take it off. Best to leave disease ridden websites out in the night with the rest of the tramps.

    75. Re:Ok. by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      I root android only to use AdAway.

      that's like shooting yourself in the head so when you get shot the next time the bullet will pass cleanly through.

    76. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Adblock Latitude on Pale Moon blocks those ads. So yeah, I did indeed miss that part.

    77. Re: Ok. by UVB-76 · · Score: 1

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the point of the enterprise to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, and to boldly go where no man has gone before?

    78. Re: Ok. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      They could spend their own money sending out ads in the mail, instead of spending my money to deliver them.

      I'm baffled at the support of advertisers on slashdot. Too many people here making their living delivering ads?

      Do people still remember when the richest companies in the world made their money by making and selling things? Actual sweat invested, a product that when finished you could point at and be proud of. Advertising back then was a side line, part of a necessary thing to sell your product but never the main attraction. Today the richest companies are essentially advertisement delivery vehicles. Somewhere something went terribly wrong.

    79. Re: Ok. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Using third party advertisement services is done out of laziness. It used to be that there was significant work spent finding a good advertiser and putting your faith in them. After all if you've got a bad advertiser it makes you look bad too. Even companies that relied on advertising for their living, like radio and television stations, would never accept all comers and instead they were picky; if your market is young adults then you don't want ads about incontinence ads. But today the easy route is taken and you get a third party company that does all the work, they present the ads by injecting them into HTTP and they'll send you whatever cash they deem fit and all you have to do is sit back and not bother with pesky details like whether or not you are alienating your audience.

    80. Re: Ok. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      They're scared. If people keep using adblock then they'll have to stop blogging and get a real job instead.

    81. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In what fucking way is looking at an online magazine like getting into a cage fight? And if it really is, then what the fuck were the publishers expecting us to do? Stand still while they beat us up? Sometimes, if you punch some random dude out of the blue, you're the one who ends up in the hospital or the morgue.

    82. Re: Ok. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, I guess then we can both part ways and neither needs to try to force the other one to bend to their whims, right?

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    83. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is like entering into a cage fight and then complaining about getting hurt.

      If only. This is like entering into a cage fight with the understanding that you have a single human opponent in your own weight class, only to find out it is a prison style gang bang party, and you're the guest of honor!

      Yes, the way ads abuse our machines is asymmetrical to what they provide us... so why should we continue allowing them when we are the ones who have to clean up the mess?

      Also, hosting costs are becoming dirt cheap, and ad networks can negotiate favorable rates while consumers are stuck picking between rate-colluding ISPs, so the other half of your analogy is effectively bunk.

    84. Re: Ok. by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly right, we do not have to go to their sites. Wired can go bankrupt if they want without any of our help.

      I use adblock because you are never told up front how much it will cost you to support their ads, they don't tell you how much or your bandwidth they will borrow, they don't tell you if they have malware or not, because all you know is that someone said "here's an interesting link that you should read about this important topic". I never agreed to get their malware. I never agreed that in order to read 20 lines of text that I must also accept 20 megabytes of animated ads or that my fast broadband on my fast computer will take a very long time downloading it and executing the scripts.

      I am sure that theoretically there are good players out there. But I HAVE to use adblock for my own safety and to protect my internet service from abuse. I see Wired maybe once or twice a year which is far to little to deal with the hassle of adding to a whitelist, so it's simpler to just stop going there altogether. (I have allowed some sites to serve up ads in the past but Wired doesn't reach that bar for me)

      If sites really cared then those sites would serve up their own curated ads rather than relying on sleazy third party advertisers and would not serve up an overwhelming amount of crappy javascript.

    85. Re: Ok. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      It's sad that people get hurt, but please won't you think of the profits?

    86. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The abuse is the adds that spy on my browsing habits, do drive-by malware installation, work as phishing scams (you've won an ipad! You have a virus! Just click this one perfectly innocent link to collect/clean your machine!) and generally act like noisy pop-up/over/under/hover dicks.

      Adds are not the problem, but the add industry has demonstrated time and again that they are not to be trusted... ergo addblock in its many forms. Who knows, maybe if they stop being dicks people might learn to trust them again?

    87. Re: Ok. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      This is sadly one of the drawbacks to adblock. With it on you can't tell the shitty sites from the good ones. And it's too risy to turn it off and have a look without it.

    88. Re: Ok. by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Well, I guess then we can both part ways and neither needs to try to force the other one to bend to their whims, right?

      uh, yes? you are the one questioning that. is someone making you bend to their whims? no idea what you are getting at.

    89. Re: Ok. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Yup, adblock blacklists do not have "wired.com" as one of the sites. However wired.com is really a small business overall, they don't want to hire extra people to do this. So they outsource the work. It's the easiest outsourcing in the world, you just have to hand over the reins to your reputation and then wait for the profits.

      So what's really needed is a good player in the third party advertiser world, then reputable sites could outsource to them.

    90. Re: Ok. by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How is using *my* electricity, risking *my* computer's integrity, distracting *my* attention for *your* profit not abusing *my* resources?

      This is like entering into a cage fight and then complaining about getting hurt. Noone makes you go to an ad-supported website and read their content.

      That's missing the point quite a bit. People don't walk into cage fights, clueless as to what's about to happen. There's informed consent. Not so with web pages. In fact, if I load a Wired page, not even they know what ads I'll see or what sort of malware they might be serving up, since they've offloaded that responsibility to third-parties who, as a group, have proven themselves untrustworthy (e.g. Forbes malware recently). Today's Web is like an endless hall of doors with barely-useful labels. The only way to find out what's inside is to open a door and step in. There's no consent. Just regret (see: goatse...actually, don't).

      Ad blockers restore informed consent. They give us the ability to say, "We're unwilling to pay the price you're asking". If sites want to deny us service because of that, that's how things are supposed to work. After all, if two parties can't settle on a price, there shouldn't be an exchange of goods or services. More importantly, however, ad blockers allow us to specify what we DO consent to. To the best of my knowledge, all of the major ad blockers are configured to permit first-party ads by default. If sites like Wired are willing to take responsibility for their ads and trust them enough to host them on their own servers, I'm fine with viewing them. My ad blocker will let them through. We'll both be in consent.

      Until then, it'll block the ads they're serving up from third-party ad vendors, and if they want to deny me service because I'm blocking them, that's fine.

      Well, "fine" inasmuch as it's a boneheaded move that'll bite them in the ass in the end, but still, it's their ill-fated choice to make.

    91. Re: Ok. by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. I have requested that the site sends me some information. I can choose how to process that information - e.g. I can render some of it visually for human readability, and I can choose to ignore some of it such as links to additional content in which I know I have no interest.

      At no point have I agreed to view everything sent to me, let alone request and view additional content the server provider may want to push at me.

    92. Re: Ok. by auximage77 · · Score: 1

      I would mod up this a million times.. Wired's site was also the reason that I installed software to block ads. When I'm trying to read an article and suddenly it's pushed 3 pages down the screen because of some over the top BS, sorry.. Not going to take it..

    93. Re: Ok. by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      Noone makes you go to an ad-supported website and read their content.

      No one makes you step on a landmine either, but people still think they're in bad taste.

      --
      Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
    94. Re: Ok. by TylerJWhit · · Score: 1

      OK, I see what you're saying. This is a fair argument.

    95. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well said!

    96. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, they neglected to notice that there is a third option. B-bye

    97. Re: Ok. by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Sort of. But electricity isn't a sufficient analog for the resources web ads are consuming. Extending your analogy (to the point of breaking) so it better matches the reality of the web, it'd be like complaining about TV commercials because...
      1) Every time one airs, a representative from the ad company tried to superglue a note to your house so they could remember you.

      2) All TV commercials are accompanied by a large package pushed through your mail slot. Inside is a small person. He'll hop out, look around your home, take some notes, and use your mailbox to send his notes back (without asking your permission, of course). Sometimes he has a live critter with him that will stay behind to infest your home.

      3) Without it being obvious they're doing so, some ads will cause your home to suffer brownouts, preventing you from getting anything else done.

      4) Some commercials secretly count against your monthly limit for how many episodes your cable provider allows you to watch each month, after which you'll need to upgrade to a higher plan. You can't tell which ones count against your limit until they're over.

      In case it's not obvious, I'm referencing:
      1) Cookies and other identifying traces left behind
      2) Tracking/reporting and malware
      3) Poorly optimized ads with 100% CPU utilization
      4) ISP data caps being thrashed by background video ads

      Given how much time, energy, and, yes, electricity you need to waste to deal with those things, I think it's reasonable for anyone to complain about web ads eating up resources. TV ads are not even remotely similar, as they are today.

    98. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the actual example is how all grocery stores right now lease shelf space to vendors for shit like candy and potato chips and share the information about who buys them. It's using up your precious brain power to filter out what's a bag of doritos from what's a block of cheese, apparently.

    99. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The internet has more channels?

    100. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think by 'abuse' he means how lots of ads are overly intrusive, deceptive or insecure. For example, the BBC news app on my phone places ads in such a way that I'm likely to click on them while scrolling if I'm not careful. They make more money on it that way than if it was placed elsewhere; but it's irritating as fuck. As a result I tend not to read a lot of news on my phone. If I had the option to block it, I would.

      A subscription option sounds like a reasonable compromise. Except that it's not actually all that workable if I'm doing that for more than a few sites. At that point I'm doing a bunch of payments that I now have to set up and maintain. As an added bonus, it means there's an incentive for website owners to make the free versions even more irritating; so the pages I only visit every so often will suck. Think of it like 'free-to-play' video games. They make use of little psychological tricks to hook you in; while simultaneously making extremely tedious to advance forward in the game without purchasing extras from the in game store.

      A better approach would be to reduce the irritating-as-fuck-ness of your free site.

    101. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brilliance. That is a terrific quote, I love it hahaha.

    102. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Adds?

    103. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In jail

    104. Re:Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your list of bookmarks must only be three deep then. There are hundreds or thousands of sites out their that are just as good or better.

      Wired was even garbage as a print publication.

    105. Re:Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't give a shit because I am a techie. I don't want the layman version and that is precisely why Wired sucks and has always sucked.

    106. Re: Ok. by onepoint · · Score: 1

      dude, you've been around as long as I have ( I'm going to guess 1999-2000). lowly is 5 digit user id not 6

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    107. Re: Ok. by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      No, the actual example is how all grocery stores right now lease shelf space to vendors for shit like candy and potato chips and share the information about who buys them. It's using up your precious brain power to filter out what's a bag of doritos from what's a block of cheese, apparently.

      Whoosh!

      What you're forgetting is that some of the candy and potato chips are laced with poison. That's the critical part of this analogy: did you completely forget the whole debacle about Forbes insisting that viewers turn off their ad-blockers, and then serving up ads with malware?

    108. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Can we use a hosts file to block APK? No? Then hosts file blocking is insufficient.

    109. Re: Ok. by camg188 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Will WIRED at least pledge to screen the javascript for tracking and malware?
      I just checked and here is a list of all the javascript loading from their webpage: wired.com, optimizely.com, disquscdn.com, amazon-adsystem.com, ajax.googleapis.com, pinterest.com, adobedtm.com, scorecardresearch.com, mookie1.com, omtrdc.net, yldbt.com, demdex.net, dff7tx5c2qbxc.cloudfront.net, disqus.com, dy48bnzanqw0v.cloudfront.net, condenastdigital.com, facebook.com, outbrain.com, googlsyndication.com, googleadservices.com, polarmobile.com, twitter.com, mediavoice.com, doubleclick.net, zqtk.net, parsely.com, chartbeat.com, tiqcdn.com, typekit.net, googletagservices.com, moatads.com, mediaplex.com, twimg.com, adsafeprotected.com, dotomi.com, google-analytics.com

    110. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love reading those apk tirades. They are hilarious. Not funny like a good comedy movie funny. It's more like watching a retard lick a window funny. You know you shouldn't laugh but you do anyways.

      The poor guy gets thoroughly thrashed every time he posts here. And the best part is half of his posts rarely even make sense. Nothing better than watching someone with a poor command of the English language attempt to argue in it.

    111. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget ads use YOUR screen real estate space, for which they pay $0 rent.

      How about if advertisers want to use my screen space they pay ME for the privilege of ME having to view their inane crap

      CAPTCHA: nonzero!! (I added the !!)

    112. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of site do you run? What's your CPM? What kinds of companies are you approaching for ads? What are your traffic numbers - monthly uniques, percentage of US/non-US visitors? If you rotate or have any other stipulations on how many impressions you can have per unique, how do you deal with empty inventory?

      Without ALL of this information, your anecdote unfortunately doesn't mean much. You have a bunch of responses who say this is the "right" or "only" way to do it - I could set up a blog and get SOMEONE to agree to pay $5 to put their message up there for a month. But that's not sustainable for anything but a blog; it doesn't scale to an entity like Wired.

    113. Re: Ok. by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      No this is like walking into a shop to browse, getting screeched at to buy shit and leaving with gonorrhoea. Then they have the gall to accuse people who wear ear defenders and condoms thieves.

      And if that ever happened, would you come back in full body armor or would you just stay the hell away?

    114. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He is a fucking retard, never mind him. He just wanted to contribute even though his stupid brain did not hold a single original or interesting thought. What a piece of shit.

    115. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This.

      I don't mind the adverts, really, so long as they don't get in my way, I'm happy for the site to fund itself.
      What I REALLY won't accept is the tracking, and since they use google ad services, the tracking is obnoxious.

      Put up whatever ads you like, I do not mind.

      But any tracking or arbitrary javascript (basically installing new software on my machine without my authorization), and you can all go die in a fire.

    116. Re: Ok. by Jahta · · Score: 1

      This is sadly one of the drawbacks to adblock. With it on you can't tell the shitty sites from the good ones. And it's too risy to turn it off and have a look without it.

      Try uBlock Origin on Firefox and Chrome. It gives you a detailed log of what is being blocked and why. Just now on wired.com it was only blocking 2o7.net and scorecardresearch.com; all wired.com content came through fine. No ads though! :-)

    117. Re:Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      20% less readership then , although i still consider wired a reference , i've cancelled my paper membership because they where seriously biased on Apple , and not putting them in my adware white list because the quality of their content is falling faster then if it was subject to gravity , Nohan story about being hacked like a N00b being posted AD-NAUSEAM , same thing with their 3 letters propaganda story regarding silkroad (seriously who believes the bullshit that a IRS keyboard monkey stumbled on their real ip by feeding crap to the silkroad URL ? ) .
      no sorry Wired , if you paywall over addware i dump ya.

    118. Re: Ok. by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      You're using *their* electricity by looking at their content too. I'll grant you the bit about computer integrity - not many places actually check ads to make sure they aren't bad. However, distracting your attention? Too bad - that's the price they're asking for in order to give you content, and it's not "abusing" your resources. If it's not something you're willing to give them, don't read the site.

      Don't get me wrong - I use a general adblocker for security purposes. If ads were safe, I probably wouldn't - or I'd use a subscription service if it was content I liked a lot.

      --
      Examine even your most deeply held beliefs. Nobody is always right.
    119. Re: Ok. by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      If you had a business where revenue was 20% lower than it could be, wouldn't you want to do something about that too? Wired probably isn't having trouble keeping the lights on, but some sites actually are. Offering a subscription model is fine - Patreon is really easy to use, and it means I can just pay content creators directly.

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      Examine even your most deeply held beliefs. Nobody is always right.
    120. Re: Ok. by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Ehh... Those are all awfully strong poisons. Healthy computers aren't going to die from visiting most sites. They might suffer a bit, but ricin doesn't just make you suffer a bit. Something nausea-inducing might have been a better (less hyperbolic) example.

      --
      Examine even your most deeply held beliefs. Nobody is always right.
    121. Re:Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good riddance, cheapskate.

    122. Re: Ok. by NotOddManOut · · Score: 1

      How is using *my* electricity, risking *my* computer's integrity, distracting *my* attention for *your* profit not abusing *my* resources?

      I think your definition of "abuse" in this instance is stretching things a bit. Using your logic, your comment(s) used *my* electricity, risking *my* computer's integrity, distracting *my* attention for *your* profit not abusing *my* resources. Feel free to stop writing comments so I won't keep getting usage charges.

    123. Re:Ok. by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      I agree with WIRED and their policy. The problem I have is that the ads they provide get replaced by other ads before I get to download the Wired web page(s).

      So, who is getting the ad revenue? It is not Wired. It is the usurper.

      --
      Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada
    124. Re: Ok. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The way it works is that I send an HTTP request, the server drops the request on the floor or returns whatever it wants, and I do what I like with anything it sends me. The agreements I have are with specific websites, and typically are of the form that I give them money and they let me past the paywall. Other than that, this is the only way that makes sense.

      The hypothetical requirement to view what the website sends back would be difficult to deal with. The blind people I know would find it difficult to view the images. There are things I can't view because I don't have a viewer. I usually don't bother keeping up to date on Flash, for example, and my iPhone doesn't have any ability to handle it. There's also Javascript and other code that's normally run in browsers, and I do not consider "viewing" to include running arbitrary code on my computer.

      Suppose we narrowed it to "viewing" being displaying the best approximation of an image that I can on the device I'm using. You know what? I'm fine with that. If websites sent me images, I'd never have downloaded ABP. As long as I can still use the site without much difficulty, and don't need to run untrusted code, I have no objection to ads.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    125. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sigh. You're right. And thus: taboola. Ugh. Now I feel like I need a shower.

    126. Re: Ok. by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      The reason most people use ad blockers is to keep their browsers actually running in a good manner. With HTML5/Javascript framework advertising clients, the issue of the browser eating more and more clock cycles until the operating sytem locks up has just gotten worse. It's more noticeable on lower powered machines like cell phones and tablets, but I even see it on Core I5 machines, especially if there isn't enough memory.

      This idea that you can push all the processing to the client and not pre-render anything for your advert is rediculous.

      --
      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    127. Re: Ok. by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      If I had mod points, I'd mod parent way up.

      --
      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    128. Re: Ok. by siliconsmiley · · Score: 1

      How is using the *their* electricity and *their* server's integrity to provide *you* entertainment not abusing *their* resources? See what I did there? It works both ways.

    129. Re: Ok. by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Let me see, exactly how abusive were wired. I seem to remember that they were that piece of shit rag that betrayed a certain Manning character in order to sell more copy (their greed led to the betrayal of a individual who was then tortured in the most sexually humiliating ways possible and then falsely prosecuted for exposing the global criminal activity of the state, including state sanctioned murder of journalists, this yet to be challenged). I stopped with that piece of shit rag there in and am glad to see it further down the path to it's justful demise. Only web losers kick into subscriptions and there are a whole bunch of web sites far more honourable and worthwhile of everyone's time.

      --
      Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
    130. Re: Ok. by RyoShin · · Score: 1

      I subscribed to their magazine a while back and mostly enjoyed the content. Over time I realized that many articles were more like "blurbs", barely taking up half a page (with the rest often devoted to random art or a single, large relevant image), and there was a full-page ad between many blurbs. A lot of their multi-page articles were forcefully split, usually making me thumb past other ads to get to the last page (one side).

      One day I decided to rip out every page that was an ad on both sides, which included many of their multi-page ads. Once I was done (doing two issues), an issue was easily half as thick and still at least 1/3 ads. And this was something I explicitly paid for.

      I didn't bother to renew my subscription. Hearing that their website was riddled with advertising doesn't surprise me in the least.

    131. Re: Ok. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Or complaining that a TV station is using your electric to show you TV commercials.

      If Television stations loaded malware onto my computer, I'd be plenty pissed.

      You have to work pretty hard to keep your computer from turning into your personal Krojack spying machine. And if you aren't using adblock and noscript and bettersurfing - that one goes after the cookies they try to hide form you - guess what you got one.

      I did an experiment and reported it here a few years ago, when the bandwidth/tracking/malware epidemic wasn't anything like is now. It's here somewhere in the bowels of Slashdot. I'm paraphrasing but here's teh basics:

      I installed and activated noscript and adblock, as well as better surfing.

      First I blocked everything, then started unblocking the scripts after finding out who they were On some of the popular pages, there were as many as 30 scripts that ran. So I took the time to look 'em up.

      Google analytics was there - no surprise.

      One surprise was the amount of information that went to facebook on one site I checked, there were maybe ten facebook serves my computer was phoning home to.

      note 1 - Facebook knows all about you even if you were wise enough to never open an account there.

      There was I think 2 I never figured out. Use your imagination.

      Out of all these scripts, there was exactly one that was actually trying to help, and not track or infect my computer. It was a script to help with fonting across platforms and Browsers.

      And now? It's even worse. I've seen websites refuse to load for some people who have their computers so bitched up with malware. Grandma is starting to use adblockers, no so much because of the reasons I gave, but because it's getting hard to surf.

      The web is in critical condition, and it isn't our fault. It's a failed paradigm, where you can go to a site that should be reputable, but it serves you malware.

      So if Forbes or Wired doesn't let me in, they can go cry me a fsckin river. I consider them a malware provider, and they are a malware provider, and I don't give a rats ass if they go out of business. In fact, its just fine with me if they do. Either way, I'm not looking at their stupid ads. I call it the website self suicide option.

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    132. Re: Ok. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Right. Nobody is forcing me to go there.

      So I can only say to them what I kept saying the RIAA for the past decades: I can live without you. Can you without me?

      I can't understand why you aren't modded at 5 yet. Aside whatever I am doing for research or purchasing, sites like Forbes and Wired are 100 percent voluntary, and only as entertainment value. My need actual need for them is zero.

      And if they go away, it might just free up a little banwidth - so a net plus.

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    133. Re: Ok. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Flash ads, with malware in the 3rd party ads. XSS was invented for and used by ads to infect/attack users.

      Abuse is selling intrusive 3rd party ads, especially with little to no quality control in the ads.

      Yes, the people that created botnets are innocent victims here.

    134. Re: Ok. by Sibko · · Score: 1

      I run with no-script on, and whitelist websites that I find myself frequently visiting and trust.

      Whenever I see a website with a list like

      wired.com, optimizely.com, disquscdn.com, amazon-adsystem.com, ajax.googleapis.com, pinterest.com, adobedtm.com, scorecardresearch.com, mookie1.com, omtrdc.net, yldbt.com, demdex.net, dff7tx5c2qbxc.cloudfront.net, disqus.com, dy48bnzanqw0v.cloudfront.net, condenastdigital.com, facebook.com, outbrain.com, googlsyndication.com, googleadservices.com, polarmobile.com, twitter.com, mediavoice.com, doubleclick.net, zqtk.net, parsely.com, chartbeat.com, tiqcdn.com, typekit.net, googletagservices.com, moatads.com, mediaplex.com, twimg.com, adsafeprotected.com, dotomi.com, google-analytics.com

      I literally just close the page. It isn't worth my time trying to temporarily allow these websites one by one to see which one actually ends up serving me the content I originally requested.

      Fuck'em. Even the porn sites are better.

    135. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's pointing out the fallacy in your logic, stupid. If they claim they NEED you to view their ads to keep the site up, then logically they also need you to view the site. If Opportunist does not "consume" the content they NEED, then they'll die. Ergo, they need him. He loses nothing but some reading.

    136. Re: Ok. by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Herpes.

      Something that is curable with a lot of effort and possibly expense, doesn't kill anytime soon but is very inconvenient, can infect others who interact with you, and will kill you eventually if not treated for long enough, with your condition continuously deteriorating.

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    137. Re: Ok. by houghi · · Score: 1

      People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply youâ(TM)re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen and they bully you with it. They are The Advertisers and they are laughing at you.
      You, however, are forbidden to touch them. Trademarks, intellectual property rights and copyright law mean advertisers can say what they like wherever they like with total impunity.
      Fuck that. Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. Itâ(TM)s yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head.
      You owe the companies nothing. Less than nothing, you especially donâ(TM)t owe them any courtesy. They owe you. They have re-arranged the world to put themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, donâ(TM)t even start asking for theirs.
      â" Banksy

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    138. Re: Ok. by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Yep, that's a much better analogy. Nicely done!

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    139. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when i go to a website I expect to:
      1) initially request a html file
      2) parse that html file after which I expect to have to request some additional resources, namely:
      - a single 1st-party css file
      - any number of 1st-party images

      If I go to wired.com those expectations are actually mostly met (it's two 1st-party css files instead of 1)
      The site shows fine and loads without problems with just the above (long live umatrix)

    140. Re:Ok. by movdqa · · Score: 1

      Yup. I can live without Wired (don't recall reading stuff there). BTW, I'm giving Brave a shot. It's interesting - you can view ads but they aren't annoying. You can turn them off too but I will likely just leave them on.

    141. Re: Ok. by droneriot · · Score: 1

      This is why I use NoScript. If a website doesn't work without JS, usually I unblock the least shady domain and see what happens. uBlock Origin helps a lot too.

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    142. Re: Ok. by GeekEndWarrior · · Score: 1

      Yep. A 12-year-old Bernie voter who still thinks that "mommy & daddy" should pay for their free ride--and wants content of value/high caliber at someone elses expense...just like their life. Nothing's free...not even Slashdot: we have to tolerate intellectual and emotional toddlers in our comment stream.

    143. Re: Ok. by GeekEndWarrior · · Score: 1

      Use Incognito, shut down Chrome after 10 reads, and log in again in an hour or so--the counter has lost track of you and you get another 10. Been reading the NY (Hamastan) Times that way for a while--ever since I decided that I won't give those Jew-Haters one shekel ever again.

    144. Re: Ok. by GeekEndWarrior · · Score: 1

      Yep. A 12-year-old Bernie voter who still thinks that "mommy & daddy" should pay for their free ride--and wants content of value/high caliber at someone else's expense...just like their life. Nothing's free...not even Slashdot: we have to tolerate intellectual and emotional toddlers in our comment stream.

    145. Re: Ok. by jwhitener · · Score: 1

      So they can host the ads locally and vet them for malware.

      I've always wondered why someone (like apache foundation) hasn't built a standardized way of dropping a plugin in your web server that allows it to proxy ads from various popular ad services, scan them for virus/malware/blacklists and/or then serve them locally as static images.

    146. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you're done licking Wired's ass, let us know. We'll be over at one of the thousand other tech sites.

  2. Oops by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I forgot the third option. Stop reading Wired.

    Note to people submitting stories: No more wired.com links please. It joins forbes.com on the /. blacklist.

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    1. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I forgot the third option. Stop reading Wired.

      Note to people submitting stories: No more wired.com links please. It joins forbes.com on the /. blacklist.

      Amen

      Screw them and their ads

    2. Re:Oops by Hylandr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wired? Hell they still exist?

      I haven't read them in decades...

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    3. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Can we please add slashdot.org to the /. blacklist as well. The ads on that site drive me nuts.

    4. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is so amusing. After years of the /. crowd claiming that sites should give the option to read it ad-free, suddenly, when a major site does that, it can drop dead for all some people care.

    5. Re:Oops by Alomex · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Fourth option: have lightweight unobtrusive ads.

      I only started using ad-blocker when ads became a draw on performance.

    6. Re:Oops by nmb3000 · · Score: 2

      Or a fourth option: Wait for AdBlock subscriptions to be updated with rules that bypass Wired's ad-blocking blocking.

      People who read Wired daily might be interested in spending $4 a month, but for someone like me who only ends up there a few times a month (probably the bulk of their "20%" number), there's no way that will fly. If the anti-adblock subscriptions get updated to work then great, but if not then I won't really miss Wired.

      No more wired.com links please. It joins forbes.com on the /. blacklist.

      Totally agreed, but will our new advertising firm overlords feel the same? Whaddya say, Whipslash?

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    7. Re:Oops by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wired? Hell they still exist?

      I haven't read them in decades...

      Also, what's with the name, still? It's 2016: Calling a tech magazine "Wired" is like calling a car magazine "Horse and Buggy Monthly".

    8. Re:Oops by Anubis+IV · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There's a very important fourth option that they neglected to mention, yet is entirely in their control: stop delivering ads they don't host and haven't vetted.

      If a company is willing to vet their ads and host them on their own servers, it's unlikely I'll go to the bother of blocking them, especially since I no longer need to wonder about who's getting my data, and I can read just one privacy policy to find out how my data is being used. By default, however, I block everything from third-party servers, and that's unlikely to change anytime soon.

    9. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wired has been declining in quality articles for some time. Lately their webpage has been an ugly mess as well.

    10. Re:Oops by Drew+Sullivan · · Score: 1

      Fifth option:

      Have the ad blocker read, run, but don't render the ad. The site can't tell the difference. The browser can just isolate the ad site in its own little unique world per site you are visiting from. Now you start to look like hundreds of different single time users.

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    11. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not that they're offering the option to disable ads for a fee, they're forcing it. There's a clear cut difference.

    12. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4th Option: rat out a whistleblower for years of torture and persecution and you can get no ads for life!

    13. Re:Oops by Anubis+IV · · Score: 3, Informative

      They can tell the difference, since most of those ad scripts include "phone home" calls to confirm that they're running. If the script is blocked, it'll never phone home and they can tell that you were never served the ad. If the script is run but the ad simply isn't displayed, then they can still track you.

    14. Re:Oops by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's a very important fourth option that they neglected to mention, yet is entirely in their control: stop delivering ads they don't host and haven't vetted.

      Pretty much this.

      Serve an ad from your own server, which doesn't require scripts, and doesn't rely on 15 external tracking sites to monitor my visit (OK, on that particular page it was 5), and I don't have a problem.

      What's that? You can't serve those ads, or having it be non-targeted isn't as effective? Too fucking bad.

      This bullshit about letting a bunch of external sites set cookies, run scripts, run plugins, and track everything I do ... that's your problem. Because I'm not trusting some 3rd party just because you're getting a few shekels from them -- I have no reason to trust those 3rd parties. That's an idiotic security model, and wired should know it.

      Serve a script-less ad from your own servers without external tracking, and I won't even bother blocking them.

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    15. Re:Oops by zenlessyank · · Score: 1

      And the New York Times.

    16. Re:Oops by Anon-Admin · · Score: 1

      Why spend the $4 a month for website access when you can spend the $5 a YEAR and get the print magazine delivered?

    17. Re:Oops by swb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Were they ever really relevant, or has it most always been a lifestyle magazine for fetishizing technology? Vanity Fair for Macintosh users who fancied themselves high tech? The kind of thing the CIO keeps in his office to show he's "up to speed"?

      The only people I've known to read it wouldn't know TCP from UDP and have stronger opinions about icon design than cryptographic hash functions.

      To be sort-of fair, I have flipped through it a few times and found a few articles that were interesting, but it's really kind of a design-centric version of Popular Science with more emphasis on computers and networking.

    18. Re:Oops by zarmanto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A fourth option is becoming more and more likely with these actions by Wired and by others: soon enough, someone will develop a "smart" ad filter, which downloads the ads from sites which attempt to prohibit access to ad-block users, but do not actually render those ads to the screen, thus hiding their presence from the website. (Naturally, the default behavior will still be to not download ads at all, in order to save bandwidth.)

      My eyes and ears do not belong to you, Wired. The days of loud and obnoxious ads perpetually invading webpages and assaulting our senses has passed: it's time to find less obtrusive ways to monetize your content... not more obtrusive ways. Otherwise, you risk losing your audience entirely.

    19. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep!
      The "straw man" argument is always lying about the number of options.
      You can pay; you can see ads; you can avoid; you can use a pc that has access; you can bribe the network people; you can win a prize; you can receive a gift; you can read the print version--at the public library, doctor's office, waiting rooms, friends & family; newstands (BookaMilion, Barners&Noble, etc.); etc.; etc.

      Damned unenlightened Wired AssHats need to get over themselves and quit their Intellectual Dishonesty--lying bastards!

    20. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. I leave the default ABP setting to allow non-intrusive ads, so if their ads conformed to the ABP acceptable ads criteria, then I'd see them (if I visited wired.com, anyway). However if they want to hit me with intrusive, pop-over, auto-playing video, etc etc ads, they can get lost.

    21. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What ads.

      The /etc/hosts file is your friend (and very effective, ad-blocking, hosts files are out on the Internet).
      Adblock and other adblockers are your friends.

      Use them or lose them.

    22. Re:Oops by hawguy · · Score: 1

      Fourth option: have lightweight unobtrusive ads.

      I only started using ad-blocker when ads became a draw on performance.

      Me too, the straw that broke the camels back for me was a website that started up a full page interstitial ad a few seconds after reaching the site - I'd start reading the article, then have to wait for an animated interstitial to load... then about half the time, I'd click on the tiny close box in the corner, but would miss it and the advertiser's site would load. That's when I turned on Adblock.

      I kept the "allow unobtrusive ads" box checked with adblock, so I still see some limited set of ads (though I think Google is the only place I see those ads).

      There's no way I'm paying $52/year to read Wired when I only go there a half dozen times a year. What I would be willing to do is fund a micropayment account, and then pay sites a few cents per page view to replace the revenue they'd get from ads.

    23. Re:Oops by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      Wired? Hell they still exist?

      Matterafact, I just noticed Playboy's still out there too.

    24. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck YOU basement-dwelling neckbeard

    25. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some how newspapers and rags were able to vet their ads for decades, but oh, it's the internet so we'll just serve up whatever you happen to upload to us.

      I would love to see a change in the law that makes it the responsibility of the content provider to cover any damages caused by letting a malignant ad through their system. If they can't be bothered to vet every ad that they are going to serve then they have no business serving them up. And passing the buck off to some third-party provider to do it for you is just lazy.

    26. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wasn't Wired a short-lived magazine that popped up and promptly disappeared in the 1990s? IIRC they were long on gloss, short on meaningful content.

    27. Re:Oops by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Why spend the $4 a month for website access when you can spend the $5 a YEAR and get the print magazine delivered?

      And a free CueCat!
      Or have that offer ended?

    28. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wired has been declining in quality articles for some time. Lately their webpage has been an ugly mess as well.

      This.

      I was a daily reader until their mobile-first (read: "mobile-only") redesign in March 2015. It's not as atrocious as it was in March 2015, but it's still pretty bad.

      And the clickbait. http://www.wired.com/2016/02/its-been-20-years-since-this-man-declared-cyberspace-independence/

      Really. You couldn't put John Perry Barlow's fucking name in the headline? Must everything be of the form "This X did ..." without naming X? I'm surprised they didn't write it as "7 REASONS why it's been THIS MANY years since THIS MAN did THIS THING that will BLOW YOUR MIND"

    29. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my opinion it got a lot worse when they decided they needed a Design department, and even worse than that when they decided the Design department should be front and center on the site. "Hey, here is an absurdly elegant looking, shiny and chrome widget that will perform much worse than the basic item you already own that anybody can buy at the dollar store, but this one will be a bear to manufacture, only sold at boutique shops, cost 20x more and break after 6 months. But it's SO PRETTY DAMMIT. LOOK AT IT!"

    30. Re:Oops by sdjimmy · · Score: 1

      Wired? Hell they still exist?

      I haven't read them in decades...

      Also, what's with the name, still? It's 2016: Calling a tech magazine "Wired" is like calling a car magazine "Horse and Buggy Monthly".

      The UK's best selling mobile phone shop is still called "The Carphone Warehouse". When did anyone last buy a Phone for their Car?

    31. Re:Oops by blazer1024 · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's referring to the effects of caffeine :D

    32. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      then about half the time, I'd click on the tiny close box in the corner, but would miss it

      You hit it then. The actual X to close is most often hidden somewhere else, with the obvious choice having only a hint that it will hijack your browser.

    33. Re: Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No! Afuck ayew!

    34. Re:Oops by Megol · · Score: 1

      This! Some sites have by default a load time 4x+ the one when running an adblocker and makes my normally silent notebook computer spin up to audible levels by causing processor _and_ GPU loading for some shitty animated ad.

      They reap what they sow.

    35. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are in for a _real_ surprise the first time that you check out the Centerfold...

      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/13/business/media/nudes-are-old-news-at-playboy.html?_r=1

    36. Re:Oops by jasno · · Score: 1

      Run the ad in a jail and don't let the pixels it wants to draw ever reach the viewer. Sure, your browser is still bogged down by the ads but your mind won't have to deal with them.

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    37. Re:Oops by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      Fourth option: have lightweight unobtrusive ads.

      I only started using ad-blocker when ads became a draw on performance.

      What motivated me was constantly fixing my friend's and families' computers.

      Every social gathering "hey, can you look at" "I get these pop ups" etc.

      I started using one of the popular HOSTS file data sets (not THAT one) and all of a sudden, it was only occasionally someone would get some crap installed.

      Naturally, I used the file myself.

      I would add or remove items if they provided the hostname they use, and it was unique to them. If slashdot wants to make "ads.slashdot.org" point to some ad network server I would let it happen. Use doubleclick or any of the other evil ones, and they will be blocked.

      I will NOT disable ALL ad blocking to use any site.

      I don't give a fuck if they go out of business or not, the sooner they realize this the sooner they work on the problem in a way they can actually solve.

    38. Re:Oops by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      The browser or ad-blocker could run the phone home part without showing you the ad.

    39. Re:Oops by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      The "jail" you're describing has already been implemented in a number of different ad-blocking extensions, but when you jail an ad (including its scripts) like that and prevent it from sending info back, they'll know you're blocking and can then block you from the site. That's the point I was making. And if you're not preventing them from phoning home, then what's the point?

    40. Re:Oops by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Sure, but what's the point of that? Just run uMatrix and block all third-party images by default if that's all you want. The image is just part of the ad, however, and it's the least offensive part, since it rarely delivers malware, tracks you in a meaningful way, or sends back system information on you like cookies, scripts, and iframes can.

    41. Re:Oops by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      I like the ones now with the teeny-tiny box with an 'X' to close that cycles through a '>' to play. Those are particularly intentionally obnoxious.

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    42. Re:Oops by operagost · · Score: 1

      Because the fact that it blocks you from even reading the content is the biggest problem. If you have to let it phone home in the background, that's not a big deal unless you think they're sending your viewing habits straight to the NSA.

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    43. Re:Oops by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Why the hell would we let all the damned tracking shit run in the first place?

      OK, so your little monkey brain doesn't see it (not "your" little monkey brain, per se) ... they still get the tracking and analytics data.

      What the hell is the point of that? They still know that "little monkey brain x visited this site" ... I'm not giving them that information, that's why I run the ad blocker in the first place.

      Letting the scripts run defeats the entire purpose.

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    44. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously? You can't think of a way to defeat that? "Hey website here's some bogus data about me, feel free to track this bogus random user data"...think about it. Since I have no care in the world to actually want to see the add any information supplied to the script can be entirely random has it will have 0 impact on my use of the site...perhaps I should apply for a job at Adblocker to develop the idea but here you go:

      1) Do as parent describes (isolate in own 'world')
      2) Any script 'call' to provide data about the system or user is responded to with 'random' data ('OS = Mickey Mouse 2.0", "Browser Version" = 'MS Is the devil"). Of course it has to be entirely random for each call as otherwise it is traceable.

    45. Re:Oops by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      unless you think they're sending your viewing habits straight to the NSA.

      Which basically boils down to the "why worry if you've got nothing to hide" line of illogic. Moreover, it ignores the fact that if you're allowing third-party scripts to run, they can simply inject additional images all over the place, not to mention acting as vehicles for delivering malware. If you don't recognize that third-party scripts are a bigger problem than the images themselves, then it's doubtful we'll ever see eye-to-eye. Images are a problem, to be sure, but they're not THE problem.

    46. Re:Oops by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      I block ads everywhere. If a site doesn't offer an option to pay to block the ads, I use an ad blocker. If a site insists that I either disable the ad blocker or pay, I block the content as well as the ads (by leaving the site). As long as I can still view the content with the ad blocker enabled, though, I'm willing to pay; this is in no small part because I've found that there is a strong negative correlation between quality of content and the type of greed that results in blocking ad blockers. Sites with content worth viewing don't have to play that game because their users want them to still be there tomorrow.

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    47. Re:Oops by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      I am having trouble distinguishing between what you describe as a 'design dept' and an Apple Product...

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    48. Re:Oops by tepples · · Score: 1

      "Phone"? Video ads will eat up your 3 GB per month fairly quickly.

    49. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      then about half the time, I'd click on the tiny close box in the corner, but would miss it

      You hit it then. The actual X to close is most often hidden somewhere else, with the obvious choice having only a hint that it will hijack your browser.

      Actually, I've noticed it is a little bit more complicated than that even. On some of these ads, the X to close the ad is temporarily overlaid by another saying "close ad" which will instead open the ad. You have to wait a few seconds before the X to close the ad will be revealed. I've noticed that Yahoo does this with the banner ad at the top of their page. Yes, they are apparently that mendacious. Damn fuckers!!!

    50. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only people I've known to read it wouldn't know TCP from UDP and have stronger opinions about icon design than cryptographic hash functions.

      I followed the print magazine briefly in the late 90s and this was their target audience. I think they have always catered to the generation that coincided with the internet becoming marketing- and commerce-centric, especially those that were sucked in to the first dot-com bubble.

      Many of these people came from the graphic design world, rather than the technical disciplines and they have largely succeeded in pounding the internet into the old, square, print-media hole. The reflexive affection for ad-revenue driven content is one of the symptoms. This is probably why 80% of Wired readers don't block ads.

    51. Re:Oops by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I do some browsing I'd rather not explain to any random person. Anyone who writes fiction, as professional or rank amateur, is going to get curious about hypothetical situations that may come up in a story and is likely to try to find out on the net, and is likely to search sites that might cause some eyebrows to be raised.

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    52. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, besides I like watching cat videos on YouTube.

    53. Re:Oops by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Hell, I used to subscribe to their print edition and that only cost me $12/mo. No way in hell I'm paying more than that for something that costs them so much less to produce and distribute.

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    54. Re:Oops by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Someone didn't read what they were replying to.

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    55. Re:Oops by danomac · · Score: 1

      Well, they could just rename themselves to "Wireless".

    56. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I only started using ad-blocker when ads became a draw on performance.

      Indeed. Ad blockers were created out of irritation - I remember the first ones that simply dropped images of "banner-ad height". Now the cat is out of the bag, adblockers has become trivial to install for the amateurs. And once they're installed, they are not going to be uninstalled. 20% of wired readers uses a blocker today? It will only go up.

    57. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But those ads didnt make content production profitable. Sorry, that isn't a viable fourth option.

    58. Re:Oops by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Someone didn't read what they were replying to.

      How did you get that from what I said? I directly addressed his assertion that they can't tell the difference and that this is a simple matter of isolating them by pointing out that the very act of isolating them is sufficient to tip them off to the fact that there's a difference.

      Perhaps you meant to reply to someone else? Or misread what one of us said? If you think I misunderstood what he said, I'd welcome any constructive feedback, but as it stands, I just don't get where you're coming from.

    59. Re:Oops by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      If the script is blocked

      That's were I got that from. He explicitly mentioned allowing the scripts to execute and simply not render the ad.

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    60. Re:Oops by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      So the extension should just hijack every request for system information? There are plenty of legitimate uses for that information (e.g. responsive CSS, loading "retina" images, hardware acceleration, etc.). Arguably, the vast majority of uses are perfectly acceptable. And system information isn't the only way that they can track you. There are regular cookies, Flash "supercookies", HTML5's local storage, and the list goes on, all of which can be used to store session IDs or monitor you across a broad swath of domains if done correctly. They can correlate your information across a variety of domains easily with techniques like those. Which leaves us right back where we started: you either need to enable or disable the whole thing. Whitelist or blacklist.

      Moreover, even if you did successfully confound those system info attempts at getting information regarding you, you're still allowing those scripts to engage in other, potentially malicious activity, whether it's putting those various forms of tracking on your system, loading malware, wrapping your entire page in an invisible frame that they control, etc.. Setting up a playground for potentially malicious scripts to play in is just asking for trouble, and the problem is significantly more difficult than you give it credit for.

      The point is, legitimate scripts are legitimate and should be given appropriate access, while illegitimate ones are illegitimate and should be denied ANY access at all (even to CPU cycles) since they'll abuse anything they can get. The only way to manage that is via full denial, not via "isolation".

    61. Re:Oops by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Oh, hmm. I really should have chosen my words better, since they don't say what I intended and I can see why you think I missed what he was saying. Mea culpa. I get where you're coming from now.

      Rather than saying "blocked", I really should have said "isolated" in the sentence you quoted, since that was the point of his that I was attempting to address (as I hopefully made clear in my last comment). I was trying to suggest that if the script is actually "isolated" (irregardless of the means), then it won't be able to phone home, at which point they can tell the difference. And if the script isn't isolated to that degree, then what's the point of isolating at all? After all, it clearly isn't accomplishing anything.

    62. Re:Oops by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      That's an idiotic security model, and wired should know it.

      Wired probably does, but so what? The surveillance vendors are their customers. They only write content to get you, their product, to visit the site, so they can sell your private information.

      They're not going to screw over their customers for your benefit. If you go away, the unwashed masses will still stay and they'll never notice. I can't see why Wired would change anything.

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    63. Re:Oops by mighty7sd · · Score: 1

      What do you think the wireless gateway or base station is connected with? I work in wireless and deal with many, many wires.

    64. Re:Oops by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      I suppose it depends on how you define "isolated". For example, cloning the page to a private container after rendering, but prior to execution the script, and executing the script on that clone, would allow the script to phone home, while giving each affected page its own context for the concerns of advertising and tracking. Since the script runs in a page that will never be rendered to screen, the user never sees the ads; and any tracking is rendered null by the throw-away user context.

      Publishers will respond by loading (at least a portion of) the content via the ad script, so the content ends up loaded in the throw-away non-rendering session. Ad blockers will respond by filtering the newly-added content in that session and rendering it to the real version of the page. I'm not sure what the next step for publishers will be, as I can't poke any holes in that at this time; mind you I haven't really given it that much thought, but I do know the blockers will be quick to solve that next issue, and any that follow.

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    65. Re:Oops by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      What "unwashed masses"? Wired's readers are primarily people like us. That's why they're having this problem to begin with. You'd be correct if Wired were a straight-up general interest site, but it's not. It's a tech site aimed at people who are more likely to be using ad blockers. As such, they should plan their business model in such a way that they don't alienate their primary readership. What they're doing here is decidedly not that.

    66. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I stopped reading them a year or two ago. They ruined their integrity with sponsored stories and click-bait articles.

    67. Re:Oops by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Why the hell would we let all the damned tracking shit run in the first place?

      because that's how websites support themselves, and you like their content i assume right? or you wouldn't care in the first place.

      fully support your right not to be tracked. you do that by not visiting the site. but nah, you like their content. you just don't want to compensate anyone for it. screw those people that spend their days producing content for the website. you want your sh** on YOUR terms. good for you man. keep fighting the good fight.

    68. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I only started using ad-blocker a few months ago, and it was /. that caused it.

      For a while there, there was auto-playing animated ad near the top of the page that caused my browser to jump to the top of the page every minute or so, making it impossible to read the comments. So, in went the ad-blocker.

    69. Re:Oops by Threni · · Score: 1

      > Serve a script-less ad from your own servers without external tracking, and I won't even bother blocking them.

      I'd block them if there were obtrusive, animated, were designed to look like system dialogues, were click-baity etc. We don't need ads that look like they were designed for 80's magazines on websites is 2016.

      To be honest, I think it's too late and most people are just going to block them all. The internet was great but frankly I can do without most of it; i'll keep facebook for the chat; email, netflix, online shopping/banking and some news if it's free. If the choice is pay or look at ads I'll do what I did with tv; just say fuck it and move on. Slashdot/hacker news etc can come and go. Something will always turn up in its place, and if it doesn't, it doesn't.

    70. Re:Oops by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      It's unfortunately too late for that. People will install generic ad blockers anyway because so many other sites don't have lightweight ads. Classic case of "tragedy of the commons".

      I actually like the idea of AdBlockPlus extorting money from ad networks in exchange for unobtrusive ads. The websites get paid because the ads aren't blocked, the users still get what they want (no annoying ads), and the AdBlockPlus engineers suck more money from the ad industry (the more expensive the ad, the higher quality it will be).

    71. Re:Oops by UnderCoverPenguin · · Score: 1

      You are in for a _real_ surprise the first time that you check out the Centerfold...

      My GF was disappointed to hear that. She very much enjoyed posing nude for one of their college girls specials. (And yes, I enjoyed watching her pose. (Not that I needed to watch.))

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    72. Re:Oops by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

      Why spend the $4 a month for website access when you can spend the $5 a YEAR and get the print magazine delivered?

      I don't know about elsewhere, but if you go through Amazon the subscription is all-access, including both print and digital copies.

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    73. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Best part is - they're already vetting ads for their print magazine.

    74. Re:Oops by RyoShin · · Score: 1

      While I wouldn't mind seeing first-party ads, with the way that businesses work I think we'd get stuck in a cycle:
      1) sites have ads from third party services doing all sorts of yucky stuff
      2) Users complain about ads, ad revenue drops due to blockers
      3) Site moves to first-party ad serving and vetting, ad revenue increases at least some-what
      4) An MBA or someone from marketing (probably a VP) says "Hey, we have this great, trusted ad-serving platform for our own website(s), we should let others place our trusted/vetted ads for a share of revenue"
      5) As more third-party sites adopt ad platform, the advertising arm is either spun off, or the company sheds all non-advertising areas
      6) Ad platform grows large, and in the Quest for More Money, downsizes the department that vets advertisements and makes advertiser submission more automatic
      7) GOTO 1

      Some sites might be able to freeze at 3, if they can avoid MBAs and refuse to let marketing take the wheel, but for most (especially if they're bought up by larger entities) the cycle will repeat.

    75. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can tell the difference, since most of those ad scripts include "phone home" calls to confirm that they're running.

      The ad scripts can tell the difference - for now.

      This is a classic arms race, and the next logical step is to run the scripts in a background container that provides no personal/identifying information. Problem solved.

  3. What a shame by mitcheli · · Score: 5, Funny

    Guess I'll have to get my tech news from Slashdot instead.

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    1. Re:What a shame by Malc · · Score: 2

      I had to go to their web site to remind myself who they are. I think I've seen their logo before. It's been a long long time, and I can barely remember them. I guess things I search for with Google never turn up anything interesting or important for me either. Ok, I don't care if they do this: they're not important.

    2. Re:What a shame by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Be prepared for all those follow-up comments about "Hey, whattsamatta? Didn't you RTFA?"

      You *CAN'T*!

  4. eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    or not risk my computer being infected and just not goto wired anymore.

  5. No problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Turn off adblock on wired, make sure you use the hosts file as a backup.

    1. Re:No problem by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Or just block the ad-blocker blocker script. Just like one can do for most of these sites trying to block ad blockers.

    2. Re:No problem by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      Eh, I block ads on the DNS level on my home network. Only sites I use on my phone are none or minimal ads.

      Want me to see ads mixed in wtih your content? Serve up the ads yourself...

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    3. Re:No problem by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or just wait an hour or two for AdBlock's anti-AdBlock killer list to re-fix their site.

      The advertisers need to understand that they really can't win this war - Even if it eventually comes down to letting every single ad and craptastic script on a page run in an invisible sandbox just to pass all their tests, we still won't watch the damned ads.

      Find a revenue model that doesn't depend on pissing off your customers, or you deserve to go out of business. Really that simple.

    4. Re: No problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want their content but deny them their only income, you can call yourself anything you want but not a "customer".

    5. Re: No problem by pla · · Score: 2

      you can call yourself anything you want but not a "customer"

      True, but neither can the most loyal, fully ad-watching subscriber - They count as the product, not the "customer".

    6. Re: No problem by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Nothing is stopping them from self-hosting their own ads. It's the sure-fire way of getting around any ad-blocker.

    7. Re: No problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want their content but deny them their only income, you can call yourself anything you want but not a "customer".

      If ads are an entity's sole source of income, then they have a flawed business model.

    8. Re: No problem by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1

      No it isn't. Absolutely nothing stops ad blockers using heuristics to identify "ad shaped images" or simply having manually written lists of DOM paths to nuke.

      I find this whole attitude of "shut up whiners, make your ads EXACTLY meet my unique criteria or else I'll just benefit from your work for free - see if you can stop my nya nya" to be appalling.

      Apparently people haven't thought through where this ends. It ends with someone eventually making a non-web content platform that doesn't support ad killers, uses video-game like "anti cheat" techniques and which gets the lions share of the best content because publishers are sick of being ripped off. You know, kind of like how the PC used to be the primary gaming platform in the world and eventually most of the AAA games were coming out on consoles first, and PC maybe or never. Basically, because of piracy and the console makers commitment to fighting it.

    9. Re:No problem by Megol · · Score: 1

      Talk for yourself - I will watch ads to support sites I like. BUT that assumes that the ads are relevant, that they don't depend on 100+ external sites, don't use aggressive tracking stuff etc.

    10. Re:No problem by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Or just block the ad-blocker blocker script. Just like one can do for most of these sites trying to block ad blockers.

      I don't agree with this strategy. As far as I'm concerned, ad blockers are fine -- there's no moral obligation to download ads. But when a site publicly declares it won't give you content without ads and puts in place a script to deny access to people who use ad blockers, I think you should respect that. Go somewhere else. Read other stuff. It's one thing to say "I'm going to only download part of the content sent by a site" (effectively what ad blockers do). If it's a publicly accessible website, that's your choice. But it's a different thing to circumvent or disable measures that are designed to prevent your viewing -- that's stepping over a moral line and taking content that the owner says you're NOT welcome to take.

    11. Re:No problem by tepples · · Score: 1

      Want me to see ads mixed in wtih your content? Serve up the ads yourself...

      That might work for a publication as big as Wired, which is big enough to have its own ad sales department. But what should the operator of a smaller site do to pay the hosting bill?

    12. Re:No problem by istartedi · · Score: 1

      Well then. It looks like we have no choice: ARM THE ANTI-ANTI MISSILE-MISSILES.

      evil laughter

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    13. Re: No problem by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Really? The attitude of "I'll accept ads that conform to these criteria" seems perfectly valid to me. If site X doesn't want to deal with me on that basis, that's their decision. It may not be a good decision for them, but really that's none of my business.

      There's some stuff on the net that I'm entitled to, by specific agreement. Most I just use as convenient, and if the site doesn't let me that's how it is. If it posts conditions I'll consider them and what I'd get by complying with the conditions.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    14. Re:No problem by justthinkit · · Score: 2

      The advertisers need to understand that they really can't win this war

      Well, not in this manner, no.

      I remember when Wired used to provide stories. Many were long and exactly the same as their print magazine.

      Today, Wired has sold out to the "must please Google's absurd 'mobile-friendly' standard". Translation: You must have a bunch of giant graphics (with little or no text) first. Or else Google will down-mod you. Actual text content is worthless, so cut that back. Here, have some white bread.

      So the Wired of today is worthless, and won't be missed.

      As to why this move by Wired will fail? People share links with others. Let's say, hypothetically, that you have subscribed to Wired or turned off your ad block. Wired serves you an article. You say "Gee, this article is good. Me gonna share it." You share it. People email bomb you to complain about how they can't load the page. There is no rinse and repeat.

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    15. Re:No problem by 0xG · · Score: 1

      The advertisers need to understand that they really can't win this war

      I wonder why it would be so difficult.
      Just host the ads on your own site, and use a randomised name for the image (ie not /banner_ad.jpg)

      And don't use JavaScript to deliver the ad. How is that difficult?

      I checked today, and the site was trying to call JavaScripts from fourteen domains!
      And that doesn't count nested calls, which they have a lot of.
      Fourteen! The mind reels.

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    16. Re: No problem by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Bingo. And we outlawed the sale of people when Jefferson was in office.

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    17. Re: No problem by RavenLrD20k · · Score: 1

      If they want their income, they can present it in a form that doesn't waste my time, bandwidth, processing power, and doesn't put my data at risk. They can host non-scripted banner ads on their own servers and have other companies pay for the screen-space to display them...

      If they want to lose reader eyes faster than you can say bankruptcy, they can keep doing what they're doing with annoying the readership.

    18. Re: No problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want their content but deny them their only income, you can call yourself anything you want but not a "customer".

      That's right, I'm not a customer. I'm just a guy who does window shopping. If I like what I see I pay for it and take it home with me. Then I'm a customer.

    19. Re:No problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The primary reason I block ads is the huge delay they cause in loading pages. After that it's the obnoxiousness.

    20. Re:No problem by namgge · · Score: 1

      FTFY: ANTIâ"ANTI-MISSILEâ"MISSILES

    21. Re:No problem by namgge · · Score: 1

      Hah, I see, unicode is still not fixed. ANTI--ANTI-MISSILE--MISSILES

    22. Re: No problem by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      So, you think it's OK for sites to serve malware, and we should just accept our systems being infected with malware?

  6. Annnnnd delete bookmark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buh bye!

  7. Easy fix -- don't read wired. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    EOF

  8. seems to me there is a 3rd option... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fuck wired. leave. never come back.

  9. Won't be reading Wired by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Won't be reading Wired then!

  10. Who goes to Wired? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are many other sites that provide the same news without being plastered with ads every other paragraph.

  11. $1 / week by laie_techie · · Score: 2

    I wonder if the content on Wired is worth $1 / week to browse sans advertisements. I normally read the headline and quick summary in the email they send; rarely is it interesting enough to actually go to their site.

    1. Re:$1 / week by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Of course it isn't. The average person probably hits dozens of web sites in a week, probably one article at a time. Even for a site you use daily, $1/week is well outside what people are going to pay -- which, let's face it is pretty much zero.

      The publishing model of the web doesn't include revenue, and the security mode of ads doesn't mean it makes any sense to keep trusting that shit.

      I don't know what the solution is, but it's not my job to find it. We can't trust the ad companies -- neither to have any security, nor to respect our privacy -- and we won't pay for the content, we'll just move on.

      For a tech website to not understand that tech savvy users use ad blocking stuff because we can't trust the ad companies says they don't understand the issue ... or they only see it as "we need revenue, we don't give a fuck about your security".

      If you can't find a solution which allows for our privacy and security, we don't give a fuck about your revenue. And Wired will join the list of sites like Forbes and the NYT which I'll just ignore, or click the back button and move on.

      Go ahead, block us. And fall even further into irrelevancy.

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    2. Re:$1 / week by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      News papers get $0.50 a day or more and people continue to buy, I don't think $52 a year is outrageous for a service I would actually use and enjoy. That being said, it also means that any business ready to adopt a subscription model will need to consistently deliver quality content. $4 a month for wired or $7.99 for hulu wired will need to step it up a lot before they get me to turn off the ad blocker or subscribe.

    3. Re:$1 / week by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      And the people who subscribe to a news paper will read it every day, probably read all of it, and do so religiously. Those people are looking to have the newspaper as a fairly significant chunk of their day.

      Now, who goes to Wired every day and reads every article? And how many other websites do you think people will be willing to pay for? The subscription fatigue will kick in really quickly.

      I wouldn't pay for wired, and I'm not turning off my security and privacy for them ... so if next time someone posts a story on Slashdot, and it points to Wired ... I will simply not read the story.

      There's simply a very finite amount of money people will allocate for this kind of thing ... and if Wired discovers nobody cares, that will be their own damned problem.

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    4. Re:$1 / week by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      Like I said they will need to consistently deliver quality content, wired doesn't deliver enough for it to be worth it to me to turn off my add blocker or pay a subscription. Yes, wired and others will find their service isn't compelling enough to warrant $52/year.

    5. Re:$1 / week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The average person probably hits dozens of web sites in a week, probably one article at a time. Even for a site you use daily, $1/week is well outside what people are going to pay [...]

      That's really the main point. They are grossly abusing the economies of scale, restricting general access to news, knowledge and entertainment from everyone.

      This is exactly what has been criticized most notably about the music and film industry for a long time now. But it is far, far more global, and applies to food, homes, objects and machines too.

      Access and ownership could be much more global, with a much higher quality, benefiting the human society to the greatest ends, solving most of our problems.

      But they don't allow it. We don't allow it. We do not allow happiness and fulfillment.

      It is taboo.

      "We are evil and condemned, we cannot ever be happy".

      "We must suffer, and die suffering".

      It is pervasive, and part even of the most atheistic or agnostic person, and of religious people who think they are much more positive in their religious practice.

    6. Re:$1 / week by formfeed · · Score: 1

      Especially if you can get the print version for $5 a year through some discount program. - And that includes the free "skip ad & flush" option.

  12. $52/yr is a lot for a subscription by scorp1us · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since there's no pulp to push, the economics of the price are astounding.

    If ads were more intelligent and higher class, they wouldn't be so annoying. Nothing like continuing to see ads for something you bought, or putting up with taboola's brain-dead stupid tricks.

    Ads should be as good as the articles they parasitically feed off of.

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    1. Re:$52/yr is a lot for a subscription by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's even easier than that. Adblock and similar plugins limit cross-site content. Make a deal to host the ad locally and get paid based on pageviews and clickthroughs, like in the days before Google spamwords and other malicious advertising scripts.

    2. Re:$52/yr is a lot for a subscription by JustSomeProgrammer · · Score: 2

      The interesting part of this is that in order to get information like that you need be able to track someone pretty thoroughly. Would you be ok with a company monitoring your browsing habits like that? Such that they know if you bought something already.

    3. Re:$52/yr is a lot for a subscription by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $50 seems just about reasonable to me.
      When I still had subscriptions to magazines they would be around 100 per year if I remember correctly.

    4. Re:$52/yr is a lot for a subscription by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      They still have a print magazine, and it's only $19.99 a year AND comes with a "free digital subscription". So I'm not sure why their charging over 2x for a digital-only subscription. Reminds me of something a newly-minted marketing major would attempt..."psychological marketing of only $1 / week!"

    5. Re:$52/yr is a lot for a subscription by bazorg · · Score: 1

      Amazon has been in business for long enough that I think by now it should be clear that printing paper is not the most important cost component for anything printed.

      As for the case in question, 2016 might be the year when everyone who has a website starts asking for money and then we'll what kind of business models work with what kind of online media.

    6. Re:$52/yr is a lot for a subscription by oic0 · · Score: 1

      Half their articles are also glowing praise (ads) for various products. The other half are hyper liberal opinion pieces written by some hipster only qualified to have an opinion aboiut the various Starbucks flavors.

    7. Re:$52/yr is a lot for a subscription by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      Would you be ok with a company monitoring your browsing habits like that? Such that they know if you bought something already.

      The problem is that they're tracking you too closely already. If they just showed the same selection of ads to every visitor then the odds of repeatedly seeing ads for something you already bought wouldn't be very high. Instead, they track you just enough to know that you were interested in the product at one time, without also noting that you already purchased the item and thus are no longer in the market. Rather than adding more tracking, the issue could be resolved by doing less, or at least allowing the obsolete tracking data to expire from the ad profile after a reasonable time (days, not months).

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    8. Re:$52/yr is a lot for a subscription by rsmith-mac · · Score: 1

      They still have a print magazine, and it's only $19.99 a year AND comes with a "free digital subscription". So I'm not sure why their charging over 2x for a digital-only subscription. Reminds me of something a newly-minted marketing major would attempt..."psychological marketing of only $1 / week!"

      There are ads in the print magazine, a lot of them. It's essentially subsidized.

      As for specific digital pricing, from what's been written it sounds like a lot of that comes from the need to have monthly pricing, as not everyone wants to buy a year at a time.

    9. Re:$52/yr is a lot for a subscription by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      It's just weird that the $19.99 also includes a "free digital subscription". I've taken marketing / advertising / promotion college classes, so I would expect them to push this something like this: Digital Only: $52 per year
      Print and Digital: $19.99 per year
      SAVE $32.01, and get a FREE HAT!

    10. Re:$52/yr is a lot for a subscription by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Especially considering that you can purchase a subscription that includes digital and physical copies of the magazine for a tenth of what they're charging on the website. That $5 includes having them print and mail me the magazine.

      http://www.amazon.com/Wired-All-Access/dp/B00XII1UD2

  13. Lol. Asshats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pretty funny when I can guarantee I'll block and gain access anyway.

    Too bad Wired so full of nonsense it isn't worth visiting for free anyway.

  14. Perhaps if their ads were not so intrusive. by bhspencer · · Score: 1

    Currently the front page of wired has an auto play video that takes up the top 1/3rd of the screen.

    1. Re:Perhaps if their ads were not so intrusive. by Radish03 · · Score: 2

      Seriously. I turned off ad block to see how their main page looked, and I get two versions of the autoplaying, rapidly animated banner ad. Out of curiosity, I cropped and measured the screen area used by ads and content: 36% ads, 30% headlines/graphics, 34% header/whitespace. That's not really winning me over.

      Then again, this commenting page is no better when it loads...

      Sources: http://imgur.com/a/8fto4

    2. Re:Perhaps if their ads were not so intrusive. by jrumney · · Score: 1

      36% ads, 30% headlines/graphics, 34% header/whitespace.

      That sounds like the reason I stopped buying the magazine. Especially after Conde Nast bought it and it slimmed back down to its original mid-90's size, but kept the ad-ratio of the late-90's/early 2000's period.

  15. Whitelisting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whitelist wired.com or third parties?

    1. Re:Whitelisting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better solution. Blacklist all of wired and their ilk.

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  17. Malware by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Do they also intend to give us malware, as Forbes did? :-P

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    1. Re:Malware by JenovaSynthesis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly my thought. Maybe if publishers were on the hook for the damage their ads cause they might be a bit better at policing them.

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    2. Re:Malware by yodleboy · · Score: 1

      if you setup a few computers running typical anti-virus/malware protection and up to date on all patches, then scripted un-blocked visits to a bunch of popular sites, i wonder how long it would take to get a hacked computer... could you use that as a basis for a suit against the ad-network or the site(s) that use them? If I go to a restaurant and they just throw crap from a supplier in the pot willy-nilly without checking it first (right product, doesn't smell bad, no foreign content), I'd have a pretty good case if I got food poisoning right?

  18. To much... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe $10 per year.

  19. Re:dmbasso is a pedophile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude, seriously, you need to grow the hell up and get a job.

  20. I'll consider unblocking ads ... by Monoman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I will consider unblocking all ads on their site if the accept all liability for the ads, content, and actions of their site.

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    1. Re:I'll consider unblocking ads ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and reimburse me for all the bandwidth they chew up forcing their scripts and annoying video distractions on my system. ISPs charge a mint for the precious bytes, moreso if they're delivering them to a mobile device. When I'm pulling up a page for a news story, I'm interested in the maybe-4K of content, not the several megabytes of scripts and graphics that get flushed down the pipe with that content.

    2. Re:I'll consider unblocking ads ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I won't. If I get a blank page with ublock/scriptblock turned on, I go elsewhere. The only exception is my banking websites.

    3. Re:I'll consider unblocking ads ... by Threni · · Score: 1

      I understand Wired are taking your proposal very seriously as they value your business and are holding high level talks as we speak.

  21. Forbes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Occasionally I come across a link to a Forbes article. When Forbes tried something similar, I just started closing the tab and forgetting about their article. Bet that wasn't what they had in mind, and I bet that isn't what Wired has in mind either.

  22. Soo...how to block ad-block detection? by Zarhan · · Score: 2

    Ok, I guess right now the ad-blocker detection is based on the idea that they check with Javascript if an element containing the ad is present in the DOM tree. Or not, just guessing.

    Any existing solutions for this?

    1. Re: Soo...how to block ad-block detection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They may have the ability to detect whether or not you have downloaded the ad. JavaScript would give then the ability to see if the ad is active on your browser.

      Bottom line is they can do what they want if you allow it. Ad block and script blocking is useful.

    2. Re:Soo...how to block ad-block detection? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      This method is flawed because you can just disable Javascript (or write a blocking rule for the .js file). The only way around that is to load the content via Javascript, which will break Google's bot. So you have to serve a different version to the bot, which demotes your ranking anyway, and people can bypass it by simply forging their headers.

      Javascript block lists are the next stage for ad blocking, combined with browser ID spoofing lists. Maybe pretend to be in print mode too, since that often disables a lot of the crap.

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    3. Re:Soo...how to block ad-block detection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they will probably do what those idiots at bild.de do (and some other aggressively anti-adblocker sites), and that's assume that if you're not running with javascript enabled you must have an adblocker running... i will NOT give any site a free pass with javascript... so i guess the 2 times a year i might (likely accidentally) click a wired.com link i'll just end up going elsewhere instead and read far more insightful and informative content anyway.

      to wired.com.. there is NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING on your site worth paying for. get out of your clouded fantasy land and join us here in reality.

    4. Re:Soo...how to block ad-block detection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm curious how DNS-based solutions fare for these ad blocker detectors.

    5. Re:Soo...how to block ad-block detection? by Hulfs · · Score: 1

      googlebot has actually been able to load and process javascript loaded content for quite a while. They've recently gotten really good at it too with the rise of angular and similar client frameworks.

      http://searchengineland.com/te...

    6. Re:Soo...how to block ad-block detection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes... most sites use something like FuckAdBlock to detect AdBlock... so someone made a browser extension FuckFuckAdBlock that modifies the FuckAdBlock javascript to always return false.

    7. Re:Soo...how to block ad-block detection? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      The back button?

      That's my solution to "you must have javascript enabled".

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    8. Re:Soo...how to block ad-block detection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've run into sites with noscript redirects, mostly local newspapers; turning off Javascript enables the redirect and bumps you to a page asking you to give them money. Of course there are handy Firefox extensions to disable them per-domain. It's worthwhile to leave them on most of the time, since URL shorteners will fall back to meta redirects if you have Javascript turned off for their domain, which I do because of NoScript.

      Incidentally Googlebot has been able to handle Javascript-loaded content for a while now, so that's not a huge problem.

    9. Re:Soo...how to block ad-block detection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dont' allow the site to run JS, it displays fine (as it should, that's called progressive enhancement)

  23. Sounds like readership is about to drop by 20% by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    "On an average day, more than 20 percent of the traffic to WIRED.com comes from a reader who is blocking our ads."

    "The post goes on to offer two options for users blocking ads: whitelist wired.com or subscribe for $1/week."

    1. Re:Sounds like readership is about to drop by 20% by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      How much you want to bet it's really "whitelist wired.com *AND* subscribe for $1/week"?

  24. Horrible site. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not the first website and Wired is a horrible site. The articles are centered around the staff who are stuck on themselves. I found most of the articles strongly lacking in real content and there is a strong bias towards certain brands on the website. Do we really need websites that tell people why they should stop burning in their head phones? There appears to be a lot of content generated by this site that is just useless.

  25. So long Wired.com!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was nice to know ya, and I was really getting sick of the awful font you use for titles anyways! You will be missed... and replaced.

  26. I can't remember by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 2

    ... the last time I actually read a wired.com article. Given the number of autoplay video ads they use, there's no fucking way in hell I'm whitelisting them.

    Used to be a interesting magazine, around 20 years ago.

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  27. Bad decision - Bye Bye Wired, nice to know you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's not exactlly offering an alternative.

    The besdt reason for Blocking Wired and never going there again, is the mismangement of Malware Ads.

    If I can't Block.. No Security is Not an Option

    Many websites will go out of business doing stuff like that.. and Did.. How fast they forget 2000.

  28. Or get your news from somewhere else by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is the third option.

  29. Advertorials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about the articles themselves that are paid for by vendors to advertise their shiny new stuff - would wired remove them for $1/week? Adblock cannot.

  30. Blast from the Past by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

    Remember Wired? That brought back some good early-2000 memories. So they have a web site now? Who knew?

    1. Re:Blast from the Past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is Mondo 2000 around too? I think I saw Boing Boing recently... good times...

    2. Re:Blast from the Past by jrumney · · Score: 1

      Remember Wired? That brought back some good early-2000 memories.

      People still bought Wired after they sold out in '98?

  31. back when wired was cool by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    I remember when Wired was great, it was a printed magazine delivered monthly. went down the tubes over a decade ago though

    1. Re:back when wired was cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pale imitation of Mondo 2000 !

  32. You forgot the 3rd option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You forgot to mention the 3rd option.

    No more wired.com.

    You aren't that important. Similar content can be found at other sources. I don't want to see your ads.

  33. Incognito mode. by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A while back, people asked questions bout why you'd use Incognito Mode in a non-pr0n situation. This is one of those reasons.

    Also, i didn't notice anything as to WHY people block ads. Namely, i would have liked a "we promise to actively check ads to make sure they don't try to hijack your browser, or set EverCookies". We're not blocking ads to screw you. We're blocking ads to not have you screw us. Address that and then we'll talk.

    1. Re:Incognito mode. by wcrowe · · Score: 3

      I think they tried to address those concerns in the article. They did mention that they understand that people block ads for security. And they do say the following:

      "You can simply add WIRED.com to your ad blocker’s whitelist, so you view ads. When you do, we will keep the ads as “polite” as we can, and you will only see standard display advertising."
      "You can subscribe to a brand-new Ad-Free version of WIRED.com. For $1 a week, you will get complete access to our content, with no display advertising or ad tracking."

      So they are saying that you will only see standard display advertising, and no advertising or tracking if you subscribe. Of course, the question then becomes one of, "Do I trust WIRED?" As for myself, I don't trust them -- I don't really trust anyone these days; not if they're in the business of selling me something, that is.

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    2. Re:Incognito mode. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So still tracking, if white listed. No thanks. And the picture i saw about their site, over third of space reserved for ads is not polite, though i don't know if it follows if scrolled down. If not, then i guess that's not too bad. I don't know. I'm sure i've looked at some article there, i know of wired, but i don't go there myself.

    3. Re:Incognito mode. by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      Why would you trust them?

      There is literally no down side for them to drop the reasons for the trust.

      Maybe with a contract, and an escrow account wired pays into, that pays me every time I have to un-fuck a computer that got infected from their web site... at my sole discretion of course.

      They can say they will be vetting adds all they want. They won't. It'll be the first thing dropped when someone gets busy or they start needing money.

    4. Re:Incognito mode. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you do, we will keep the ads as âoepoliteâ as we can

      then prove it, assholes, and sign up for adblock plus's acceptable ads program... adhere to *those* standards and get a free pass into the browsers of the likely 90% of abp users that don't bother disabling 'acceptable ads'.

    5. Re:Incognito mode. by wcrowe · · Score: 1

      That is a very good point!

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  34. Sigh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they're going the way of Forbes, I'll just stop reading them too.

  35. Update /etc/hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    127.0.0.1 www.wired.com # fuck wired

    I'm done here.

  36. It'll be interesting to see who replaces them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adapt or die, that is the internet mantra. Adapting does not mean forcing your customers to adapt. It means taking a look at what your customers want and giving it to them. Instead, Wired is choosing to ignore that (I am quite certain most customers don't want to spend over $50 a year to read wired). Wired will now wither away and die, just like Forbes, because they have chosen not to adapt. I will be excited to see who replaces them. Most of the Canadian media attempted this and quickly backpedaled when they saw almost all traffic heading over to CBC (Which must be free by government mandate, much as I hate state media, at least they served some useful purpose for me).

    If there's no money to be made, nobody will replace them. That's OK as well, when there's no money to be made, that means there's no value in your service. Nobody is buying buggy whips either! Buh-bye!

    I only wish google would provide an easy mechanism to permanently delete all search results from sites like these from whatever it returns me (they don't need to remove the results for everyone, just me and anyone else that is unable to visit their site).

  37. My biggest issue by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 1

    I don't run an ad-blocker, but my company's WebSense configuration is blocking a good 95% of them for me. I'm starting to run into problems where websites are assuming that I'm running a blocker and are refusing to serve content*.

    The bigger problem is that what if an ad network is unable to serve an advert? Ad-block detectors generally work by checking if they got a result back from the ad server. If they don't then they assume the client is at fault and either block the content or redirect to another page. Are we soon going to start seeing websites randomly redirecting because there was a network error?

    * Granted, I should be working, but I'm entitled to a bit of downtime every now and then, aren't I?

    1. Re:My biggest issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are, atleast when code is compiling or when on a coffee break or lunch break.

  38. Viewership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since when has wired been relevant? It really just means less readers for them. Reminds me of when nytimes put up their paywall.

  39. Please put those loud ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really like those ads that start off quiet and then max out my speakers. Please use more of those. Also click-bait with cleavage and a gazillion ads attached to that where they promise 20 hot women and you get recycled photos of Hollywood stars. Oh, don't forget holding you hostage for 20 seconds each time you look at a video, like on youtube. Video of stuff I'll never buy. That's a favorite.

    1. Re:Please put those loud ads by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Advertisers have no sense of sarcasm, stop giving them ideas.

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  40. JavaScript vs Indexing? by Arkh89 · · Score: 1

    So I guess they will go with dynamic content insertion to protect from ad-blocking (via JS, no?). But at the same time they will need indexing... So shouldn't we just move on and spoof our user-agents as crawl-bots?

  41. The headline should read like this by kuzb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Wired to lose 20% of its readership"

    Most people are not going to turn off their ad-blocking software just to read Wired. Regardless, the quality of their content has been dropping steadily over the last decade.

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    1. Re:The headline should read like this by doconnor · · Score: 1

      Most ad blockers lets you easily allow ads for specific sites. A lot of people may do this for Wired if they want to read it, although if the ads are too obnoxious many will quickly leave.

    2. Re:The headline should read like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My sub ended about 2 years ago, and I never renewed. Yet Wired continues to send me issues, without sending me bills. Which to me is the sign of a magazine that has more to gain by presenting themselves as having a certain number of subscribers to sell ads rather than needing the revenue from the subscriptions.

      I mostly stopped reading it because the small fonts and lack of contrast mean that the design of the magazine is apparently more important than the content, which my low-vision eyes can't handle anymore. Grey text layered over picture content and graphics with 6-point notes. Unreadable, literally. Form over substance is always the death knell, to me, of any magazine. Wired, the 2010's answer to Omni....

    3. Re:The headline should read like this by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      "Wired to lose 20% of its readership"

      That's without considering that those 20% are likely to be the most tech-savvy, and if they leave than they also stop recommending Wired/start recommending alternatives to their friends.

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    4. Re:The headline should read like this by Sibko · · Score: 1

      They're not going to lose 20%, they're going to lose 90% or more.

  42. Are they going to do as poor of a job as Forbes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with the detection? I do not run an ad blocker, but Forbes still thinks I do because I have a slow Internet connection. Since I live in downtown Seattle, ISDN is the fastest option I have.

  43. Oh so the malware pushing fuckers are mad now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gee, imagine how mad we were to get the malware in the first place. Hey WIRED drop motherfucking dead. Right now. Could you get AIDS while doing it? Is there AIDS that causes you to catch fire? Could WIRED get that AIDS? Please?

  44. Want people to see ads? Do this! by turp182 · · Score: 1

    All ads must be provided by a sub-domain of your primary, no exceptions. Does anyone provide software to do this?

    All ads must be static, like JPG. I don't trust GIF or FLASH, or anything other than a static image. No video ads at all (that's what TV is for).

    That's it. Serve ads locally and in a static format (ok, I would accept PNG). It's just an image in an article at that point.

    I don't want the TV from Idiocracy, but it seems like it was about 500 years early in the making.....

    If you want to serve me a crap show from a 3rd party advertisement company you can know you will be blocked.

    Wired is tired, we need to be Fibered.......

    Oh, and I don't like the current state of adverts on the interwebs......

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  45. I don't owe them anything. by wcrowe · · Score: 1

    That's too bad. I sometimes like to read Wired articles, but I'm not going to open up my devices to malware just to read yet another so-so article that's been vomited on to their website simply to get me to click on ads. There will be twenty other sources telling the same bullshit story. And even if all of them block me too, that's okay, because whatever the story is, it's probably not that important anyway.

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  46. A crippling blow for fans of Apple lovefests by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

    I will really miss the hundreds of "How Apple's New X Will Change the World!" articles that inevitably follow even the most pedestrian of announcements out of Apple.

    Every time Tim Cook takes a shit, Wired will always be there to let us know what a Revolutionary, Game-Changing, and Truly Innovative shit it is.

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  47. Content doesn't meet the $1/week threshold by cdrmret · · Score: 1

    I'd be willing to pay $.01 or 0.2 for an article, but will probably just stop looking at Wired online. Years ago micropayment was touted as a means to support online content, but went by the wayside as ads became more common. I pay $150.00 a month for my internet connection, I block ads for the most part because they are irritating, obtrusive, and they occupy a nontrivial portion of the data transmission. Find a better way to support yourself Wired or risk losing a large portion of your audience. The expectation people are willing to pay $100/yr each for New York Times, Washington Post, LA Times and several others for 1 or 2 articles/week, then $50/yr for Wired, Forbes and a few other magazine articles approaches absurdity on top of outrageous charges for slow unreliable bandwidth. I would like to be able to get most of my current news and information online, it's just not going to happen if I have to put up with ridiculously absurd advertising.

  48. RSS feeds and Pocket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Subscribe to RSS feeds using site/program of your choice.

    Save articles to Pocket.

    Read them later with nothing on the page except the article you want to read.

    Not exactly rocket science. If a site doesn't publish an RSS feed or has articles that break sites like Pocket then I just don't bother ever reading their articles again.

  49. What revenue do they expect from ad-block users? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't get it, I use ad-block and the reason I do so is because I despise ads, this means that when I see an ad, I will NEVER click on it, by principle. So, assuming I accepted to disable ad blocking in their page, they wouldn't get any revenue anyway, right?

    If they are charging advertisers by impressions, isn't it more honest on them to only show ads to users which are willing to read them? in this sense, advertisers should be against forcing users to remove ad block.

  50. So serve from less domains by gQuigs · · Score: 1

    According to Ublock Origin.

    25 or 30% requests were blocked.
    Only showing 7 out of 23 domains!

    Here's my deal.. Serve all the ads/tracking from at most 3 domains and I'll reconsider whitelisting.. Oh, and default to https which makes browsers behave a bit more securely with what to give to third party domains.

  51. Kinda Pricey... by rockmuelle · · Score: 1

    Given that I never paid more than around $20/year for their print subscription, that's a bit steep. I'm all for subscription models for my favorite sites (Wired's one that I go to for entertaining tech news). $5-10 a year, and I'm in.

    Heck, for that price, I'll even be OK with static ads that I know are sourced by Wired directly. Wired's demographics are people who like geeky toys. A few car companies could probably fund the whole site. You don't need targeted tracking and all the schemes to make sure everyone who ever showed an ad to the user gets a cut of the sale. Keep it simple!

    -Chris

    1. Re:Kinda Pricey... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If their print subscription included the ad-free online content as well, it'd be pretty acceptable.

      New Scientist does that, but annoying charges extra if you want the "app" version of the site.

    2. Re:Kinda Pricey... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because their print magazine is supported by.....ads. Your paying $52 a year for an ad free version of wired, something that has never been available in the print version.

  52. adblock silent loading? by lkcl · · Score: 1

    ok so is there any adblock software that actually loads the ads... then silently discards them? i don't mind if it's server-side or client-side (i use junkbuster / fork-of-junkbuster).

    1. Re:adblock silent loading? by tepples · · Score: 1

      If you run this proxy on your machine, your ISP will bill you for the downloaded but unused data. Satellite and mobile ISPs tend to charge $5 to $15 per GB. If you lease a VPS to run this proxy, the site will block the VPS provider.

  53. Problem Solved by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    I just won't visit wired anyway. I would hardly consider it a worthwhild info source anyhow, unless you're a solid gamer which I am not.

  54. Re: Are they going to do as poor of a job as Forbe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The best solution is to just get the hell out of Seattle. I'm glad I left three years ago. Comcast, despite their givernment-granted monopoly, didn't offer service to my block, and the phone wiring was too old to even allow ISDN to work.

  55. Re: Are they going to do as poor of a job as Forbe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just keep hitting reload. It usually takes me a dozen tries, but I can eventually get Forbes to load. It sucks sharing an ISDN line with eight other people, but that's the price you pay to work in a cool old building in Seattle.

  56. There should be an easy whitelist option by Mirage · · Score: 1

    I installed an ad-blocker because a couple sites that I visit were serving up auto-playing videos with sound, and it was driving me crazy, so I broke down and installed an extension. That totally took care of my problem. However, it had the undesired side-effect of removing ads for sites that I would like to support. It's likely that I could find the extension I installed, go through the options, and add some sites to the whitelist. However, I'm far too lazy to actually do that.

    If I went to a website I wanted to support and they displayed a message saying "We've notice you're using an ad-blocker. If you'd like to support us, click here to add us to your whitelist", I'd do that in a heartbeat.

    1. Re:There should be an easy whitelist option by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Um, I'm pretty sure any decent ad-blocker (like uBlock Origin) makes it pretty easy to click on the ad-blocker icon and then add that site to your whitelist. It shouldn't be hard. What crappy extension are you using anyway? If it isn't uBlock Origin, get rid of it and switch to UO.

      There's no way for a blocked site to add a button on their site which whitelists their site in your ad-blocker. If they had that ability, they'd just automatically unblock themselves for everyone; it wouldn't make any sense to design an ad-blocker to allow that.

  57. Bye by eyepeepackets · · Score: 1

    Linked deleted -- and thanks for the warning, Wired.com, it is appreciated.

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  58. What do you propose that they do? by dlenmn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    after years of abusing ads for profit, sites are now trying to act like innocent victims just trying to keep the lights on.

    I see this type of comment fairly frequently, and I understand the sentiment, but what exactly do you propose that they do instead? Just go bankrupt? Can they somehow regain your trust by running non-abusive ads? (Whatever that means. How do you know which ads aren't abusive? Do you check every site or just run your ad blocker everywhere?) What if non-abusive ads aren't enough to break even? Micropayments?

    Wired produces good content, so I'd hate for them to go under. I see other comments saying that you'll just get your content elsewhere, but that's just kicking the can down the road instead of solving the problem. The same problems apply to your new news source, which is probably going to ban ad blockers sooner or later too unless a long-term solution is found.

    (Moreover, what exactly does "abusing ads for profit" mean? Are you faulting them for trying to make a profit using advertising? Is the complaint not the ads per se, but the ads that track your every move? If so, that's not at all clear from your writing.)

    1. Re:What do you propose that they do? by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I suggest they host the ads as first-party, no Javascript, static images/ text links on their actual domain. One would pretty much have to write an AI to block them, and there would be little reason to try.

    2. Re:What do you propose that they do? by stealth_finger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      after years of abusing ads for profit, sites are now trying to act like innocent victims just trying to keep the lights on.

      I see this type of comment fairly frequently, and I understand the sentiment, but what exactly do you propose that they do instead? Just go bankrupt? Can they somehow regain your trust by running non-abusive ads? (Whatever that means. How do you know which ads aren't abusive? Do you check every site or just run your ad blocker everywhere?) What if non-abusive ads aren't enough to break even? Micropayments?

      Wired produces good content, so I'd hate for them to go under. I see other comments saying that you'll just get your content elsewhere, but that's just kicking the can down the road instead of solving the problem. The same problems apply to your new news source, which is probably going to ban ad blockers sooner or later too unless a long-term solution is found.

      (Moreover, what exactly does "abusing ads for profit" mean? Are you faulting them for trying to make a profit using advertising? Is the complaint not the ads per se, but the ads that track your every move? If so, that's not at all clear from your writing.)

      They could start by taking ownership of what they display. Host the ads first party, do some basic checking that the ads you're serving to your customers are at least legit on the surface. If there isn't enough revenue to keep them going how about a merger or something with any of the other shitload of tech/news/light entertainment sites and combine their pools of readership. There are plenty of ways for failing business' to get back on their feet, or so I'm told anyway.

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    3. Re:What do you propose that they do? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can they somehow regain your trust by running non-abusive ads? (Whatever that means. How do you know which ads aren't abusive?

      Yes. Pledge publicly to only display ads from their own servers, manually checked before going live, no Javascript, no tracking cookies, no animation. I will know if they keep their end of the bargain up because lots of people will be watching them carefully for compliance.

      Also, as long as you disable scripts (or even just third party scripts) and Flash, that cuts out 99% of the malware anyway. Hopefully your browser is sandboxed well enough to block the other 1%, and if they are willing to make the effort then I'm willing to give them a chance.

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    4. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Ken+D · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do you think that a magazine would print an ad in their product sight unseen?

      Of course not. They have guidelines for acceptable ads and screen each and every ad before accepting it for their print run.

      Why do/did they think they can just outsource their ads for their online product?

      Online advertising is just broken because they absolutely, positively cannot be trusted.

    5. Re:What do you propose that they do? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...I see this type of comment fairly frequently, and I understand the sentiment, but what exactly do you propose that they do instead? Just go bankrupt?...

      According to Wired, only 20% of the visitors to the site block ads. Hardly a reason for a site to go bankrupt.

      .
      But I would suggest that one of the first things that is done is get rid of the ad networks that track people around the Internet and also serve up malware. I see absolutely no reason for Wired ads to track me as I visit other websites. If Wired wants to serve ads, then wired.com should serve the ads.

      Second, make the ads a whole lot less intrusive. When there's an ad on the page, I see it. There is no reason whatsoever to make the ad obnoxiously prominent to gain more of my attention, as that added attention will not result in a positive opinion about the product the ad is trying to sell.

      There's more, but those two would be a good start....

    6. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Lab+Rat+Jason · · Score: 1

      I see this move as a short term fix... because in the end there are really only two types of viewers... the mindless drones that say "I think I want a Zima" (see Josie and the pussycats) and those who see that add and say: "that's stupid, I'm not buying that, stop being so annoying." Advertisers know that they can NEVER reach a certain segment of the population, so they cater their ads for the Zima crowd. This arms race of screaming louder and louder for attention, like the monster truck voice selling cars at the dealership, can only go so high... eventually even the Zima crowd will tire of it. In this battle, only one group can actually take their ball and go home: The viewers will eventually abandon the site and it will shrivel up and die.

      So for those who are fed up, vote with your feet. Just walk away and let nature take it's course, but don't bitch about the loss of a free resource as it was always your choice to begin with.

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    7. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of journalism (and Wired is journalism) are struggling to pay the bills, and in that context 20% can start to approach a make a break point. Even worse is that with the rise of ad blockers on Android and iOS it is likely that the 20% will only grow.

      The other problem is that while you may notice plain ads, the vast majority of the public doesn't - its just like the telemarketers who every claims to hate, but who would disappear if that was true. You don't pay for telemarketing if you don't make money from it.

    8. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do they really need to run 5 different trackers on their site? Do they need to run tracking software at all? Forget the ads, this is even worse.

      Besides it is only 20%. 80% doesnt pay the bills?

    9. Re:What do you propose that they do? by jafiwam · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I suggest they host the ads as first-party, no Javascript, static images/ text links on their actual domain. One would pretty much have to write an AI to block them, and there would be little reason to try.

      There are large technical problems with that.

      The ad providers don't trust the content producers not to fleece them. How are they going to know? And how are they going go back to the widget seller and prove the ad was seen and worked?

      Those are all technically, unsolved problems still.

      On the other hand, the fact the ad networks think everybody is a shyster that will rip them off sort of demonstrates they are shysters themselves... everybody thinks others are just like them.

    10. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I rather see some relevant ads(give up, they already know enough about us) well positioned, not the MF annoying stuff there than having to pay a dollar for every site that I want to read a story from time to time.
      See, I am at some random laptop without any block plugins and the home page of ./ have beautifully placed and relevant ads(cost effective pcb, below slashdot deals, below gmail for work, a poll and, at the bottom of the page sponsored links that I actually skim. It is not that hard.
      Terra portal, big here in Brazil, show ads of fraudulent brain enhancing pills, disguised as a story with a very small font (sponsored link) below.
      This is valid for most websites.
      Here in Brazil it is most annoying because most ads are bait, in all media.
      Product/service/etc R$ 9,99*
      *only the first month/only if you also buy x,y,z(that will result R$150,00)/only if you bring your dead mother skull with all theeth in perfect condition.
      Fortunately, this brazilian way of obtaining advantage in everything is slowling becoming old fashioned. Or I am just a optmistic person.

    11. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an example, several years ago, Ars Technica started getting upset at ad blocking and posted quite a rant about it. At the time they had said something to the effect of "Allow-List our site, we only do banners and sidebars and don't accept moving content or other abuses". That worked for a couple of years. Now they also behave badly. There was this godawful moving pulsing thing on their page for a couple of months recently that covered the top, all edges, etc. I think they must have learned something from when they broke that covenant that they themselves offered - the site is back to just the top banner, a handful on the side and below the content. Sites that can do that, and keep out motion, layers on top, etc. can earn themselves a place in the Allow-List. Sites that don't - sure, they can go broke, erect a paywall, whatever they want. It is their content. If they don't want people to read it, that is OK. But we don't need to waste our time with moving, popping over, auto playing ads. The content isn't worth that. Better to read a book then deal with that.

    12. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Nkwe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I propose that they offer a web site subscription for a reasonable price. The summary says that they are offering access to the site via an ad blocker for $1/week, which is $52 per year. The print subscription price is less than $25 per year and that of course includes physical printing and mailing. They are asking way too much to not view ads on their web site.

    13. Re:What do you propose that they do? by penguinoid · · Score: 2, Informative

      what exactly do you propose that they do instead? Just go bankrupt?

      Fine by me. The internet was fine when it was more a hobby than a competition to get eyeballs and ad revenue at any cost.

      How do you know which ads aren't abusive?

      For one thing, the website hosting them should be willing to shoulder any costs from malware or fraudulent advertising. If they aren't willing to guarantee their content won't harm you (or your grandma, who will cheerfully click any "your computer has a virus" links), then you know they are abusive. Also, the ads shouldn't make the website unreadable.

      Micropayments?

      I'd actually be willing to do that, so long as the decision was mine (ie, my browser keeping track and confirming before sending anything). But not if they want more than the about 1/2 cent each ad is worth, or if they want the payment ahead of time.

      Moreover, what exactly does "abusing ads for profit" mean?

      It means sacrificing the site's quality in the name of profit. It means flashy ads that make the content unreadable. It means fake "Download" or "your computer has a virus" ads that my grandmother will click on and install malware. It means ads containing a fake "close" button meant to trick people into clicking on it. It means splitting your one page content into 10 ad-filled pages. It means all those other things that take away from the site, pop-ups, pop-unders, autoplaying noisy videos.

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    14. Re:What do you propose that they do? by BronsCon · · Score: 2

      I was going to say "take responsibility for the content displayed on their site and either offer free malware abatement and disaster recovery services when one of their readers is infected by their ads, or control the ad content so that is not necessary". I like your wording better.

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    15. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Sparowl · · Score: 2

      Wired produces good content, so I'd hate for them to go under. I see other comments saying that you'll just get your content elsewhere, but that's just kicking the can down the road instead of solving the problem. The same problems apply to your new news source, which is probably going to ban ad blockers sooner or later too unless a long-term solution is found.

      (Moreover, what exactly does "abusing ads for profit" mean? Are you faulting them for trying to make a profit using advertising? Is the complaint not the ads per se, but the ads that track your every move? If so, that's not at all clear from your writing.)

      Other news sources may ban ad blockers sooner or later. It does seem to be a trend.

      Which will shortly be followed by new, better ad blockers.

      The problem isn't that we want ads to go away. We got along fine for years with ads. The problem is that content providers got lazy/greedy and went to third party ad providers. Instead of vetting the ads and putting them directly onto the page, they now allow the ad providers to just run whatever they want, which can include targetted/tracking/ridiculously annoying content (giant flashing lights, hidden/pop-up/deceptive button ads).

      Go back to vetting ads and putting them directly into your site, take care to make sure that people aren't immediately driven away by the type of ads that you run, and this will be less of a problem.

      Or, my other response - ad space was a result of the market seeing an opportunity. Ad blockers are also the result of the market seeing an opportunity. You can't want to capitalise on webspace, then get upset when someone else tries to capitalise as well.

    16. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you check every site or just run your ad blocker everywhere?)

      I run it everywhere and here's why:

      My number one priority is to protect my PC and all my personal data on it. If that means sites eventually shutting down due to the lack of funds to keep them up and running, so be it. Like I said, keeping those websites up/funded isn't my priority, not even my responsibility.

    17. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you want people on Slashdot to provide the business model under which a website makes money? Weird really as if we had the answers to that presumably we'd come up with our own company & make a tonne of profit.

      Ultimately acting like you don't know what an 'abusive ad' is just demonstrates that you are a shill to the companies complaining about users using Adblockers.

      Presuming any given website isn't being run by morons (not a simple assumption) or by robots then the people running it will be just like the rest of us & know damn well what 'abusive' is and its not just indiscriminate tracking but the use of ads that can infect a user's system with Malware (Forbes!!!) but disclaiming any liability.

      The 'Golden Rule' of 'do unto others as you'd have done to you' is a good idea on its face. This arms race wouldn't even exist if supposedly 'reputable websites' had any care in the world about their users. Stating 'turn off Adblocking or we'll block your access' ENTIRELY misses the point of what the hell is going on and any company coming out & saying this is entirely disrespecting their users and thus deserves to go under.

      Ads are 'content', if you wouldn't want your editors posting it or your engineers developing it then don't use them on your website, this isn't rocket science. And it doesn't matter 1 iota if the other content is 'otherwise good'. A website that doesn't respect their users SHOULD go under, the people producing that content (writers, editors etc.) will go somewhere else that respects their users, if they insist on working for a company that doesn't respect its users then they are part of the problem not the solution.

      Personally I have no problem with a 'subscription model', its how newspapers & magazines ran for many, many years but blocking users who are expressing legitimate disappointment over your 'content' isn't going to increase revenue that's for sure, the idiot marketing people & the upper level managers approving such a thing should be fired. If they can't legitimately think of any other way to get their users to unblock their ads then they need to get another job.

    18. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It works for Superbowl ads, it can work for webpages.

      Or would you be comfortable with a Budweiser ad being able to look through your TV and check the contents of your fridge? Or how about having that Puppy Monkey Baby jumping up on the screen and covering the players during a big play.

    19. Re:What do you propose that they do? by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      The print subscription price is less than $25 per year and that of course includes physical printing and mailing.

      Well, it also includes a shit-ton of ads spread all over the magazine. Think about what they would charge for an ad-free print edition. It would be more than $52 per year.

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    20. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about they stop with the behavior that got them so despised in the first place?

      The paradigm is "$ per view, $+ per click". This creates incentive to break content into multiple pages, to litter each page with ads, and to spawn multiple ads (popups, popunders). If we can somehow break that, then a lot of the obnoxious stuff will go away. It's all about greed. Maybe instead it should be "time spent displaying ad" instead, which might create other problems, but it at least would stop some of the nonsense and could get content providers to provide real content.

    21. Re:What do you propose that they do? by MeNeXT · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The ad providers don't trust the content producers not to fleece them. How are they going to know? And how are they going go back to the widget seller and prove the ad was seen and worked?

      Those are all technically, unsolved problems still.

      The same way traditional media does it with audited reviews from respectable firms. How it was always done.

      Or just simply did your revenue increase? Ask your clients did they see the add? There are many other ways.

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    22. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple. You pay per ad. Not per click. If you don't think your ad is effective there, you don't pay for the next week/month, etc

    23. Re:What do you propose that they do? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      ...The other problem is that while you may notice plain ads, the vast majority of the public doesn't...

      "Vast majority"? That's so funny how you just throw around made-up opinions as fact like that.

    24. Re:What do you propose that they do? by tepples · · Score: 1

      But I would suggest that one of the first things that is done is get rid of the ad networks that track people around the Internet

      I can see how "interest-based ads" based on the content of pages in your browsing history are intrusive. But without any form of tracking at all, how do you propose to not repeatedly show the same ad to the same user?

    25. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are large technical problems with that.

      Those are all technically, unsolved problems still.

      Really? Unless I am mistaken ads sellers officially try to sell them by saying they make money two ways - Impressions and Ad clicks.
      Impressions - Transparent/open analytic service funded by agencies that tracks minimum parent site visits (Google runs one such service privately for its gain. Since its closed cannot be trusted. But it shows technological solution is feasible)
      Clicks - onclick add referrer code= wired.com (note no data about user). Also feasible.

      And dont above two handle some similar challenges from print space in slightly better and automated way than it did for ad sellers in last generation or so?
      So what are these unsolved challenges to host ads as first party that you speak of?

      If content providers dont care how ad sellers abuse their readers, why should readers feel compelled to get abused for sake of these providers?

    26. Re:What do you propose that they do? by tepples · · Score: 1

      I see this type of comment fairly frequently, and I understand the sentiment, but what exactly do you propose that they do instead? Just go bankrupt?

      If bingoUV has anything to say about it: Yes.

    27. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Luthair · · Score: 1

      Sure for random Joe's website it would be difficult. However why is it any different than circulation numbers for print ads?

    28. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why have ad servers at all?
          Why can't a product company have a relationship with a website, and email them ad .JPGs that the website then places on the site? Like a billboard.

        Businesses that set themselves up as a middle man or content manager, (such as an ad serving company), just create distance from a company trying to sell its product and the audience- the actual website showing the ad should be the 1 step between the two.

    29. Re:What do you propose that they do? by neoritter · · Score: 1

      That latter group: "that's stupid, I'm not buying that, stop being so annoying." Is still a win. If that latter group sees the ad enough and then when they do have to buy a product, one of first things they'll think of is the one that's stuck in their head. It's how annoying ads work. A chunk of the people who aren't going to buy the stuff right away or don't think they need to or want to, will remember that product later when/if they do need to buy one. The more annoying, catchy, or intrusive the ad, the more likely it is to stick with the person no matter their opinion.

    30. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These are not unsolved problems at all. Static ads contain links to the advertiser's website containing a tag identifying the advertisement location. The advertiser can track incoming clicks according to the tag, and then pay the content provider according to number of clicks or sales resulting from clicks.

    31. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Nunya666 · · Score: 1

      I see this type of comment fairly frequently, and I understand the sentiment, but what exactly do you propose that they do instead?

      How about charging a reasonable rate?

      If I was an avid reader of Wired, I wouldn't mind paying $1 per month. But $1 per week? Who in their right mind pays $52 per year for a frigging magazine? Not me, that's for damn sure.

    32. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but what exactly do you propose that they do instead? Just go bankrupt?

      Yes.

      Welcome to the "you offer us what we want or you won't earn any money" commercial world, just like any brick-and-mortar store has to deal with too.

      Besides, how come you think that we -- who have been given pretty-much one choice in all of this (accept everything that gets thrown our way or stay off the web) -- must now come up with a management solution for the very businesses who made scores of decisions to come where they are now: being activily shunned by their customers ?

      No bub, sorry.

      And besides, just as those "Oh woe me" businesses like to make some dough, if I would know the solution to this problem I will ofcourse want to be payed handsomely for it. Fair is fair, won't you say ? :-)

    33. Re:What do you propose that they do? by JazzLad · · Score: 1

      Is it better to lose 20% of their viewers? I don't know, maybe it is, but it sounds like they are about to find out the hard way.

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    34. Re:What do you propose that they do? by mattventura · · Score: 1

      Have a sane advertising policy. Static images only. Limited filesize. Obviously no js/flash. Ads served from the same domain as the web page.

    35. Re:What do you propose that they do? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Periodicals can show how many issues they printed and sent out. That's not the number of issues anyone actually looked at, but it's a definite number that advertisers can work from. If the advertiser doesn't get the expected volume of response, the advertiser can negotiate a different rate with the publisher to make the deal win-win, or one or both can go bankrupt.

      Websites don't work that way. There are no similarly useful definite numbers. You can check visitors, but how many of them are human? You can check HTTP requests, but that's even less useful. The advertising agency can tell how many times their server gets hit from a certain site with an ad request.

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    36. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Lab+Rat+Jason · · Score: 1

      But need is need despite advertising... it sounds like you are suggesting a case where there are no alternatives. If I don't necessarily already have a preference, I frequently choose products that compete with the annoying advertiser. Maybe they get the message, maybe they don't, but I know I'm not supporting that kind of behavior.

      Also, it is important to distinguish, I don't mind catchy or memorable ads. I do mind annoying and intrusive ads. I don't go out of my way to run ad blockers or anything like that, but my local news website recently pushed me over the limit, and I took measures to ensure I maintained my quality experience on their website.

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    37. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

      On my iPad, I get the same ad on various forums and news type sites. I pop over to Amazon to check out the price of a specific guitar. From then on, whether or not I buy the guitar, I get ads from the various guitar sites (sweetwater, reverb, etc). The same ad, over and over again, following me around the 'net.

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    38. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course it doesn't. Think of the money they spend on advertising their site through the ad networks.

    39. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They could start by taking ownership of what they display. Host the ads first party, do some basic checking that the ads you're serving to your customers are at least legit on the surface.

      What were they doing in the print days? Somehow I doubt they were accepting ads from advertisers and blindly pushing them right into production without anyone whatsoever reviewing those ads. That could have been very embarrassing for them. So why is it OK now for them to publish ads without any sort of review?

    40. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Orgasmatron · · Score: 1

      Yeah, not my problem.

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    41. Re:What do you propose that they do? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      All they need to do is measure the click-through rate. View rate is a multiple of that. A simple numerical URL to identify the source.

      Gotta say though, the advertisers don't trust sites not to screw them... But demand we trust them not to screw us.

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    42. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suggest they host the ads as first-party, no Javascript, static images/ text links on their actual domain. One would pretty much have to write an AI to block them, and there would be little reason to try.

      That has always been the obvious solution. It would utterly destroy ad-blocking technology.

      So it's instructive to understand why the industry cannot, and will not, do that.

      If Wired hosts the ads, then the advertisers will have no choice but to trust Wired to accurately report the number of ad impressions. Obviously, Wired has a very strong incentive to over-report ad hits (i.e. fraud), or to seek out technology tweaks that result in more ad hits counted (i.e. cheating).

      The advertisers know all this, so they insist on tight control of the ad servers. They will never cede that control.

      Wired's actions prove that they know this. Wired did not implement the obvious solution of hosting the ads themselves. If they tried, they knew they simply would have no ads to run. That neatly demonstrates the fact that advertisers will exit the Internet altogether rather than yield control of their ad servers to the publishers.

    43. Re:What do you propose that they do? by R33P · · Score: 1

      Nonsense - reputable ad providers can put an appliance/service behind the content provider's domain between the content and users that analyses the content and injects appropriate ad URLs/code/whatever. Sounds like a business opportunity to me!

    44. Re:What do you propose that they do? by R33P · · Score: 1

      I don't know of any ad-supported websites that haven't completely burned their goodwill at this point. How can we trust a site like WIRED to be completely ad-free after we start paying? With ad-blockers - that's how. Alternatively, they can start trying to build back some of their goodwill with us by changing how they weave advertising into their content. That might require some tough decisions, and it will definitely take a while, but who's fault is that? I'm not mad at WIRED for trying to get revenue from ads, but We The People have decided that we don't like ads, so they need to find a new revenue stream. Kicking the can down the road is exactly what consumers need to do. Give notice to the remaining content provdiers that they better start cleaning up their act now if they expect anyone to convert to paying down the road. I don't give a rats about the editors/writers/whatevers at WIRED. If they're any good, they'll find work with the next content provider that springs up. And that new provider can roll the dice with ad-supported content, or roll the dice with paywalls. Any new venture has its risks, c'est la vie.

    45. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are large technical problems with that.

      The ad providers don't trust the content producers not to fleece them.

      So we, as the customers, just have to accept we get fleeced by both of them (money in one, and information in the other direction - lets not talk about the malware risks) ?

      Those are all technically, unsolved problems still.

      And they will never solve them, as there is no incentive for it.

      Or rather, there wasn't ....

      the fact the ad networks think everybody is a shyster that will rip them off

      They are in good company: The website owners who "need the advertising" to stay afloat (proof of that is ofcourse never given ...) consider everyone blocking their money-maker -- regardless of what those advertisements do, carry with them (malware) or what is done with the data resulting from it (tracking) -- a shyster too.

    46. Re: What do you propose that they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's a zima?? Where can I get one?!?

    47. Re:What do you propose that they do? by unencode200x · · Score: 1

      I turn off ABP on many websites I frequent. On Wired, however, if I turn it off it takes forever to load and sometimes has additional issues (lock ups, etc.). If they went to something more basic I'd gladly turn it off.

      Imagine if you had to watch a TV show with commercials all around it in blinking lights. That's what this is like for me. There must be a better win-win for all parties.

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    48. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Dins · · Score: 1

      True, but then there's the hard core "stop being so annoying" group like me that when it's time to buy something will remember that product AND their annoying ads and deliberately make another choice on general principles. If something actively annoys me enough I hold a huge grudge. But yeah, I know I'm probably in the minority.

    49. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The print edition is subsidized with ads, no?

    50. Re:What do you propose that they do? by dpidcoe · · Score: 1

      The ad providers don't trust the content producers not to fleece them. How are they going to know? And how are they going go back to the widget seller and prove the ad was seen and worked?

      Fine. Then the provider can host the ads but let the website owner vet a pool of ads they'll will allow displayed to users on their site. The ad provider should also enforce some kind of identifier on their ads (e.g. all image ads are watermarked with a human readable serial number by the ad provider) to facilitate user reporting of abusive ads.

      Have you ever tried to report a malicious or abusive ad to a website owner under the current system? On the off-chance the site owner doesn't wash their hands of it tell you to go pound sand, it's nearly impossible to figure out which ad contained the malicious/abusive script. Since they're selected pseudo-randomly it's not repeatable on my end (and I don't really want to reload the page 500 times hoping for a malicious ad to show up again). On top of that, even if I can work with the site owner to find the thing and report it to the advertiser, the advertiser generally won't do anything about it. And on the off-chance the advertiser does pull the ad, great, but there are thousands more malicious ads where the original one came from, and playing malicious ad whack-a-mole for somebody elses website isn't really a way that I want to spend my time. Especially when I can have adblock up and running in less than a minute.

      I know in radio they actually have people who vet the ads and try really hard to not pass some threshold of annoying because otherwise people will flip the station, and I'd assume TV and print work similarly. Having some way in internet advertising to hold the site owner and/or the advertiser responsible for what they show would go a long way towards working out a solution.

    51. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to Wired, only 20% of the visitors to the site block ads. Hardly a reason for a site to go bankrupt.

      .

      Losing 20% of your revenue is a great way for a business to go bankrupt actually.

    52. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Going bankrupt would be ok. Do people really like Wired so much that they'd put up with the ads?

      Yes, they could regain their reputation with non-abusive ads.

      If they don't know what a non-abusive ad looks like, then they deserve to go bankrupt. When they were print media they hired real people to curate the ads that fit with their demographics, seek out advertisers, negotiate rates, etc. Now they probably set up online after following a link that said "Publish your own online magazine, click here to find out how!"

      If they can't break even with ethical and respectful advertisements, then they should go bankrupt.

      In no case whatsoever should the visitors be made to feel guilty about it or feel compelled to support abusive ads. Wired is NOT a charity, spend that $1/month on something that matters.

    53. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      The site that the viewer is actually visiting should be allowed to nix any ads they don't want to host. Those sites though have to do some actual work for this though, when most just prefer to keep hands off. If web sites stopped allowing abusive ads, irrelevant ads, immense ads, and so forth then the ad companies would notice that there's a market for better ads. If the web sites stopped allowing 25 different javascript layers being passed to their visitors then the advertisement and analystics providers would wise up and stop slowing down people's computers.

      What's happening with adblock is that there's a subtle message going to the web sites. But instead of hearing the intended message of "your web site sucks!" what they mistakenly hear is "we're stealing your profits". So they don't get the message and so aren't spending any effort in cleaning up their act.

    54. Re:What do you propose that they do? by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      What I consider abusive:

      - Popups
      - Popunders
      - Opening a new tab without my permission
      - Overlays
      - Interstitials
      - Anything made to resemble OS UI elements
      - Automatically playing audio or video
      - Flash
      - Java
      - Modal "Are you sure" dialog boxes when I leave a site or close its tab/window

      I never used to block ads when they were GIFs in a banner or sidebar. I don't block Google AdWords. I whitelist well-behaved sites that I want to support and refrain from the above. And hell, I'm not even overly opposed to the occasional cookie and (well-)target ad. But if you actively work to make my browsing experience miserable; to hell with you.

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    55. Re:What do you propose that they do? by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

      There are large technical problems with that.

      The ad providers don't trust the content producers not to fleece them. How are they going to know? And how are they going go back to the widget seller and prove the ad was seen and worked?

      The same way the local top-40 radio station sells its ads, I imagine. They don't have exact statistics on everyone who is tuned to their radio station, but advertisers are still interested in it. And guess what, sometimes I turn down the volume during a block of ads in my car, look at the clock, and turn it back up in 3-4 minutes. And they can't do a damn thing about it. And the world keeps turning.

    56. Re:What do you propose that they do? by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Actually, you know what? I think ad-blocker-blocking is the perfect solution. Ignore anything I've posted on the subject un to now, I've given it much more thought now, in light of what you just said and I have the following to say:

      When a radio ad (which can't be skipped) gets too annoying, listeners change the station; when a TV ad (which can't be skipped) gets too annoying, viewers change the channel; when a print ad (which can't be skipped) gets too annoying, readers cancel their subscriptions. Once we can no longer view sites while using ad blockers, what do you think will happen? The same damn thing.

      While it is true that the first ad blocker was created in response to pop-up and pop-under ads, which themselves were created to stand out from banner and text ads, it is also true that the very existence of that ad blocker interfered with the natural process by which radio, TV, and print ads are forced to self-moderate. People, being able to still view the content without the ads, did not abandon the content on account of the annoying and often malicious advertising and, while ad blocker users may not, themselves, be a revenue stream for these publishers, their sharing (often with people who don't use ad blockers) is, so online publishers never had the same incentive ti police their sponsors the same way as traditional media.

      Once ad blocking becomes too difficult, should that ever happen, that all changes. Ad blocker users will stop viewing and, therefore, sharing content backed by annoying, obtrusive, or malicious advertising and publishers will feel this and either falter or begin policing.

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    57. Re:What do you propose that they do? by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Oh, but they can and, when ad blockers become the norm (which is rapidly happening), they'll have to. And trusting online publishers will be no worse than trusting publishers of traditional media; you either pay for the ad and get something or you don't and get nothing.

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    58. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Morgon · · Score: 1

      But the vast majority of ad revenue is CPM (Cost Per Thousand [Impressions]). CPC pays more, but as you see on here, too many people are "I don't ever click ads"; it's a bonus, but no site can survive on CPC alone. Advertisers pay to get their message out (much like a billboard or a radio ad).

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    59. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Morgon · · Score: 1

      Think about that for a second. Just one.

      If you are paying someone for every thousand impressions (called CPM) of an ad for your company, aren't you going to want to be sure that the website's traffic numbers were accurate?

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    60. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but what exactly do you propose that they do instead? Just go bankrupt?

      Yes. No one at Wired cares if I lose my job. Why should I care if they lose theirs?

      Just to show I'm not a total dick, though, I will help Wired reduce their costs by never visiting them again. I am kind.

    61. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amicusnycl how does eating your words taste as apk made you eat them http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ? Like your foot in your mouth washed down with the bitter taste of SELF-defeat perhaps? R O T F L M A O!

    62. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      after years of abusing ads for profit, sites are now trying to act like innocent victims just trying to keep the lights on.

      I see this type of comment fairly frequently, and I understand the sentiment, but what exactly do you propose that they do instead? Just go bankrupt? Can they somehow regain your trust by running non-abusive ads? (Whatever that means. How do you know which ads aren't abusive? Do you check every site or just run your ad blocker everywhere?) What if non-abusive ads aren't enough to break even? Micropayments?

      Wired produces good content, so I'd hate for them to go under. I see other comments saying that you'll just get your content elsewhere, but that's just kicking the can down the road instead of solving the problem. The same problems apply to your new news source, which is probably going to ban ad blockers sooner or later too unless a long-term solution is found.

      (Moreover, what exactly does "abusing ads for profit" mean? Are you faulting them for trying to make a profit using advertising? Is the complaint not the ads per se, but the ads that track your every move? If so, that's not at all clear from your writing.)

      How about actually taking responsibility (as in being legally responsible) and being accountable for any damage caused by the content delivered ? When they do this then I'll start taking their bleating seriously.

    63. Re:What do you propose that they do? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Think about that for a second. Just one.

      If you are paying someone for every thousand impressions (called CPM) of an ad for your company, aren't you going to want to be sure that the website's traffic numbers were accurate?

      So you have a bit of code that fires off a ping each time an ad is displayed and a bit to add something on the url so you know where traffic has come from if it's clicked on rather than a bunch of code to try and track me everywhere and get as much information out of my browser as possible.

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    64. Re: What do you propose that they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple solution: have certain load balancer configurations certified by an independent organization. Deploy approved and verified loadbalancers in front of sites. Alternatively use just an "approved" proxy, or pay the likes of akamai or limelight for the "counting" service.

    65. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Morgon · · Score: 1

      And in that code - that the website controls, remember - they fire off four pings each time an ad is displayed. You, as the advertiser, have no true insight, and each website has no accountability into their traffic numbers.

      Remember, you don't have a personal relationship with every website operator out there - your job is managing advertising for dozens of properties, ad networks, mobile, and maybe even non-internet mediums. Are you really going to agree to give money to a website on their word only?

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    66. Re:What do you propose that they do? by neoritter · · Score: 1

      You're assuming everyone is like you.

    67. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i agree, do this, or die

      fuck wired, fuck them in teh butt

    68. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I see this type of comment fairly frequently, and I understand the sentiment, but what exactly do you propose that they do instead? Just go bankrupt? Can they somehow regain your trust by running non-abusive ads?

      Change the paradigm. At this point in time there are sites out there that are becoming so ad and script laden that they actually don't work. Without an adblocker, the Internet is about 80 percent of the way toward unuseable. Who will see the ads when they hit 100 percent unusable?. The sites are the problem, not the users. It has become safer to go to porn sites than to mainstream new and story providers. Read that last sentence a couple times, and think about it.

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    69. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      This arms race of screaming louder and louder for attention, like the monster truck voice selling cars at the dealership, can only go so high... eventually even the Zima crowd will tire of it.

      1. Yes

      2. We've hit that point now.

      I've "fixed: a lot of balky computers for a lot of "Grandmas", because "It's running so slowly - can't you do something? And I say - yes, yes I can! so adblock goes on, and depending on their surfing habits, noscript.

      Suddenly a nice running computer that they can use on the web.

      And they tell their friends "That nice young man with the weird name really helped my computer problem - you should call him!

      That horse is out of the barn, and your Zima people (do they still make that crap?) are installing them. They have tired of it.

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    70. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I can see how "interest-based ads" based on the content of pages in your browsing history are intrusive. But without any form of tracking at all, how do you propose to not repeatedly show the same ad to the same user?

      Sounds like television.

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    71. Re:What do you propose that they do? by houghi · · Score: 1

      I see this type of comment fairly frequently, and I understand the sentiment, but what exactly do you propose that they do instead? Just go bankrupt?

      If their businessmodel is not sustainable, yes
      It is not my probem anyway.

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    72. Re:What do you propose that they do? by houghi · · Score: 1

      No. No ads. That is my goal. I do not like them in banners. I do not like them as text. I do not like them as a logo. I do not like ads. My (unrealistic) ideal and goal is to have zero ads. There is no need for me to explain what I would tollerate as the target is 0 ads.

      Having no Javascript; and just static images and links would be a step in the right direction. I would still want less ads. And this is not limited to the Internet. It is also valid for TV; for newspapers, for billboards, for my underwear.

      Or to say it with the words of Banksy:

      People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply youâ(TM)re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else.
      They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen and they bully you with it. They are The Advertisers and they are laughing at you.
      You, however, are forbidden to touch them. Trademarks, intellectual property rights and copyright law mean advertisers can say what they like wherever they like with total impunity.
      Fuck that. Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. Itâ(TM)s yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head.
      You owe the companies nothing. Less than nothing, you especially donâ(TM)t owe them any courtesy. They owe you. They have re-arranged the world to put themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, donâ(TM)t even start asking for theirs.
      â" Banksy

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    73. Re:What do you propose that they do? by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

      That's actually not Banksy's quote, it's heavily lifted from another dude, Sean Tejaratchi: http://www.readingfrenzy.com/l...

      Nonetheless it's an excellent quote and I support your ideal, but I still think static images and links is a good starting point for all sides.

      For the websites that want to display ads, it still allows them to make money and shows respect for those visiting the site by showing that the site is willing to take responsibility for the content of the ads they are selling, eliminates malware vectors, etc. Plus they get something almost uncircumventable by modern ad blockers.

      For the people who just don't want to be tracked or annoyed by blinking/audio/animation/video it eliminates that as well.

      For people like you, me, Banksy and Sean Tejaratchi, we can use Element Hiding Helper or similar tools to "take, re-arrange and re-use" the static ads we come across, as is our right on our local machines.

    74. Re:What do you propose that they do? by dpidcoe · · Score: 1

      I was about to disagree and bring up sites without abusive ads being affected, but as I was typing it out I think you're actually right. If a site needs the revenue it can put an adblock blocker and make their case as to why I shouldn't block their ads. If the ads aren't abusive I'll leave it unblocked. Otherwise they get no views from me.

      The only lingering issue though is that if enough sites do it without other options (e.g. donate button), it'll force those of us who use adblock to chose between security or a usable internet.

    75. Re:What do you propose that they do? by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Your last sentence was basically a summary of my entire point. Almost. What it would actually do is force everyone, ad blocker user or not, to choose between visiting the site at all and security because, by the time we reach that point, the ad companies themselves will have made such a fuss about it that even grandma who doesn't even own a computer will know and understand about these issues.

      I say fuck 'em, let them dig their own graves, climb in, and bury themselves. Or adapt, they could always do that. We know they won't, but they could.

      Also, despite the above, APK thinks I have ties to the advertising industry. Isn't that funny?

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  59. Fatal mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Sites like Wired are mostly dependent on being linked by other news aggregate platforms, not the small percentage daily direct readership. Although I suspect that of that latter group a fair amount of people that actually propagate stories to social media and other sites are for the most part adblock users.

    Wired can't expect people to be guilt-tripped and pay for every random link they click in a tweet or blog. Nobody is able to smell the revenue scheme behind a link and nobody should have to. If every link results in a pay or whitelist screen, the site in question will not grow in popularly. It goes against the concept of the hyperlink.

    If they do force this, then they are dead... and nothing much of value will be lost anyway.

  60. What!!!? by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    Have you never looked at a newspaper from the 19th century. Full of ads. And even the greeks inserted paeans and hagiographies into their writings as advertisements for their sponsors. Advertising is how writing is often supported. As long as it's reasonable I'm fine with it.

    I don't get where you think this is abuse or that it's something new in the last 20 years. Sponsorship is not new. Likewise the notion of a subscription service to minimize ads or to provide richer content is nothing new either. Listen to public radio if you want to hear a blend that is nicer with less advertising but also contribute. Or are you not one of those people who thinks they should contribute to the things they use?

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    1. Re:What!!!? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      If you think pop-ups, pop-unders, and malware don't count as "abuse", then you're either a moron or a shill for the ad industry.

    2. Re:What!!!? by Aaden42 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've never looked at a 19th century newspaper, but I'mma go out on a limb here...

      I'm pretty sure the ads didn't:
      1) Make noise.
      2) Move around annoyingly trying to get my attention.
      3) Make me sit and wait to read the rest of the page while they loaded.
      4) Cost me additional money (mobile bandwidth) to load.
      5) Report my location & reading habits back to the advertiser as I walked about London.
      6) Take up 80% of the page, requiring me to flip page after page to read a sentence or two surrounded by half a dozen ads.
      7) Cause an actual danger to me in damaging the device I was using to read them.

      Did I forget anything? I'll take 19th century advertising standards.

      There's a certain red-on-black alternative social networking site that does advertising right. Hosted on their own server, static simple images, reasonably sized, no animation, no sound, no JScript, no Flash, no BS. They actually host the images on a sub-domain of their main site. It would be trivial to block them. I don't because they're not annoying or dangerous. Occasionally they even advertise something interesting, and I (intentionally!) click/tap on an ad.

    3. Re:What!!!? by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      . They actually host the images on a sub-domain of their main site.

      That doesn't mean the ads are hosted on their own server. That subdomain could point to a completely separate server, it could be pointing to an ad network for all you know. Each subdomain has its own IP address, they do not have to be on the same server or even in the same network.

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    4. Re: What!!!? by Aaden42 · · Score: 1

      I actually know how DNS works... Yes, they could still out source to a tracking company. Their privacy policy says they donâ(TM)t, and I trust them. My point was by hosting the images on a sub domain, blocking them is trivial, if thatâ(TM)s what I wanted to do.

    5. Re:What!!!? by erapert · · Score: 1

      4) Cost me additional money (mobile bandwidth) to load.

      They didn't take electronic bandwidth, but they did cost you money. That space on the paper could have been filled with content instead.

      6) Take up 80% of the page, requiring me to flip page after page to read a sentence or two surrounded by half a dozen ads.

      Actually, I seem to remember seeing broadsheets and newspapers that did have quite a lot of ads on them. The newspapers I've seen that weren't almost covered with ads were subscription papers-- but even they had quite a few ads on them.

      Everything else you said was true though.

    6. Re:What!!!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4) Cost me additional money (mobile bandwidth) to load.

      Print ads may cost you money because they need more paper to print the newspaper with ads. More paper cost more money.

      6) Take up 80% of the page, requiring me to flip page after page to read a sentence or two surrounded by half a dozen ads.

      Someone pay the newspaper enough - they get to run a full-page ad, or even several full pages.

      I wouldn't worry about wired though. I have an adblocker with countermeasures against anti-adblock sites. I had no problem reading their article. This is an arms race - and the anti-ad side is currently winning.

    7. Re:What!!!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did I forget anything?

      Causing the content to jump around and be unreadable as ads are loaded.

    8. Re:What!!!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amicusnycl how'd eating your words taste as apk made you eat them http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ? Like your foot in your mouth washed down with the bitter taste of SELF-defeat perhaps? R O T F L M A O!

    9. Re:What!!!? by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      Newspapers were (and are) 100% paid for by advertising.

      The cover price has historically been pretty close to that of the paper+printing process itself.

      The problem isn't the advertising. We already skipped around all that in print media.
      The problem is the proliferation of abusive, intrusive advertising and malware.

      TV stations mostly stopped running loud obnoxious adverts once remote controls became common. Advertisers need to improve their game so that they don't annoy people, not demand that adblockers be banned.

    10. Re:What!!!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when did a 19th century newspaper force me to look at the ads, or I wasn't allowed to read it?

  61. UA change imminent to: Googlebot/2.1... by ramriot · · Score: 1

    Since many of these sites rely on their search engine rankings I bet they don't block search spiders that refuse scripting or even serve them ads as that would make their pages way too dynamic to be usefully indexed.

    Thus the fourth option after Whitelist, Pay, Go-Away is change your browser's User Agent string to match that of a known search engines indexing spider.

    Potentially, no more ads to block, no paywalls and also no malware because that stuff tries hard not to be noticed by the search engines and thus get the site blacklisted.

    1. Re:UA change imminent to: Googlebot/2.1... by tepples · · Score: 1

      I bet they don't block search spiders

      Then provide an excerpt to a spider. See replies to Arkh89's comment.

  62. A reader by Daetrin · · Score: 1

    "On an average day, more than 20 percent of the traffic to WIRED.com comes from a reader who is blocking our ads"

    Wow, that reader must consume a hell of a lot of news! If he (i'm guessing it's a he) is causing 20% of your traffic by himself you definitely deserve some compensation from him, but i'm not sure how $1 more a week is going to significantly impact your finances.

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  63. Re:Ok...Jobs v. Cook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL!!!

    Steve Jobs was a superstar/rockstar/important person.

    Tim Cook wants to be a superstar/rockstar/important person.

    The thing is, without Apple, Tim Cook is a nobody.
    Without Apple, Steve Jobs was still an important person.

  64. Redirect ads to alternate framebuffer! by nightfire-unique · · Score: 2

    Why don't any of the adblockers simply request the ads but render them off-screen?

    Everyone wins. Content providers get ad revenue, and advertisers get to feel important.

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    1. Re:Redirect ads to alternate framebuffer! by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      That still doesn't fix the problem where they're using tons of bandwidth for video ads and the like.

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    2. Re:Redirect ads to alternate framebuffer! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because many of the ads still have sound, and offscreen doesn't fix that.

      Because many of the ads have tracking functionality I don't want to participate in.

    3. Re:Redirect ads to alternate framebuffer! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't any of the adblockers simply request the ads but render them off-screen?

      Everyone wins. Content providers get ad revenue, and advertisers get to feel important.

      That feels like a good idea, but I think you underestimate the amount of data transferred and the computational power required to render a single ad. My own objection to most ads is not about what I'm seeing, but instead what's happening under the covers.

      Even if the ad is "hidden" by being written to an off-screen framebuffer, the code is still being executed, which means this method doesn't address a big objection to ads: They serve as malware vectors, and the only way to fully address that is to block them entirely.

      Ad blockers are not yet smart enough to "partially-block" an ad, so when an ad runs, it usually runs hog-wild. If you were to profile the number of domains visited and scripts downloaded by a typical ad, I think you'd be very surprised. It's a jungle of layers of scripts relying on libraries put together by fly-by-night contractors who have no respect for the CPU consumption involved.

      I don't think the issue will get any better until large industry players (i.e., Google) step-in and set guidelines for computational power consumption and bandwidth consumption for ads.

  65. If you don't like it, don't go there by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 2

    Wired is a site that actually pays their writers. The internet has become a place where everybody wants stuff for free, and expects writers to be unpaid; the internet has been flailing around trying to find a model where writers can actually get paid for their work-- but having trouble finding one.

    So, give them a little credit-- if you are neither willing to look at ads nor willing to pay-- basically, you want stuff for free--well, ok, don't go there: you can get plenty of free content elsewhere on the internet. It's a race for the bottom. But they are at least trying to find a way to survive and keep paying their writers.

    (Hufflepuff Post is probably about the worst of the lot-- their business model is "we get millions of dollars, people who write for us get nothing.")
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    1. Re:If you don't like it, don't go there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell it to someone who cares. The internet will always route around weak links like Wired.

      Also, their paid writers are crap.

    2. Re:If you don't like it, don't go there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The internet has become a place where everybody wants stuff for free.

      No the internet is networking based on open and free standards. These corporate dicks come in from outdated mediums hoping to make more money and fuck everything up.

      The Internet, networking, community wireless networks and even your own LAN deserve to stay free.

    3. Re:If you don't like it, don't go there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The internet has become a place where everybody wants stuff for free

      No, the internet started as a place where everybody provided stuff for free. Then these businesses came along and tried to "monetize" it all.

      I'd rather go back to gopher than give those assholes an ad view.

  66. You can't be fucking serious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    We're years past the age of reasonable banner ads and sidebar ads. Ad creators have killed the goose with their greedy bullshit behavior. The online ad industry is full of abuse:
    • Pop over ads
    • Pop under ads
    • Ads with fake close buttons that actually load MORE ads
    • Ads that automatically open other tabs or browser windows to shove more spam in our faces
    • Sites that spread thin, shitty content ("The Top 10 Ways Advertisers Are Assholes: Number 7 Will SHOCK YOU!!!") over multiple pages to generate more page views and ad revenue
    • Deceptive clickbait ads (like fake DOWNLOAD buttons that are bigger than the actual download link on the page)
    • Auto-playing video and audio ads
    • Ads that are disguised to look like regular content (a practice carried over from the print world): if you're lucky the word 'Advertisement' is shown somewhere in tiny tiny print, although these days 'Sponsored Content' seems to be the favored term.
    • Tracking cookies (not just one or two, but a dozen or more per page that eat your bandwidth and delay page loading)
    • Ads that deliver MALWARE, because the ad networks and content providers don't give a shit and it costs money to protect readers from the scam artists out there.

    Wired can just go fuck themselves if they think their readers should bend over and take this kind of abuse.

    1. Re:You can't be fucking serious. by war4peace · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, nice sum-up.
      However, that 1 dollar a week thing... isn't it exactly what people here and elsewhere asked for? Like, for so long?
      If the content's worth the money, pay up and peruse an ad-free, high quality website. Or if you deem it not worthy, don't visit it anymore.

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    2. Re:You can't be fucking serious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. I have never visited the site, now I won't ever. It angers me that advertisers are now calling people who use ad-blockers and the authors of the ad-blockers criminals! The advertisers are the criminals!! They try to track my use of the internet, try to steal what I consider to be private information, slow down my internet experience, steal the (capped) bandwidth that I PAY FOR, and try to steal my time and attention just to show me highly annoying and headache inducing ads for crap that I neither need nor want! I paid for my computer, and ONLY I get to decide what it displays to me!!

      Web sites need to find different and better (and far less annoying!) ways to pay their bills...maybe micro-payments (a few hundredths of a cent per page view), maybe give away some content and offer more for a low (less than $0.50 per month) fee. That way, the sites with the quality content will survive, and the crappy sites will die off as they should!

    3. Re:You can't be fucking serious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wasn't going to reply to this; but I am. So, well said.

      It's shit like this that has pissed off users.

      We do not care about Google trying to have "less intrusive ads"; we're too pissed off to give a shit now and so we hold our stance of FUCK YOUR ADS.

      Honestly, you couldn't PAY ME a monthly subscription to allow ads though. You want my business; I demand you subscribe to me you god damn piece of shit companies.

    4. Re:You can't be fucking serious. by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      However, that 1 dollar a week thing... isn't it exactly what people here and elsewhere asked for? Like, for so long?

      Close, but not quite. Quantity is relevant here. What people were asking for was the ability to pay the amount that the site would have received for the advertising in exchange for ad-free access, not 50 times that amount. It's doubtful that Wired even gets $1/year in advertising revenues from an average non-ad-blocking visitor, never mind $1/week. Paying $52/year just for access to a handful of Wired articles would be unreasonable for all but the most devoted readers.

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    5. Re:You can't be fucking serious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am willing to pay about $20/year for Wired and would tolerate passive advertising that is equivalent to what I get in printed magazines that cost me $15/year. Specifically, the ads should be vetted by the editors to at least the same degree as is done in the print mags. The ads should include actual text, and not just graphics, so that I can search them. Some of the benefit of a magazine is getting advertising that I am interested in seeing, but I won't allow the advertisers to run scripts on my computer, as that is risky, time consuming, and doesn't add value for me.

    6. Re:You can't be fucking serious. by war4peace · · Score: 1

      I wasn't discussing the amount, just the method.
      1 dollar a week is a bit on the high side, that's for sure.

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    7. Re:You can't be fucking serious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that is much more than what I used to pay for the ACTUAL magazine?!?

      Bandwidth > printing and postage ? I thought it is supposed to be cheaper to read online:(

    8. Re:You can't be fucking serious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What these sites will learn the hard way is that their content is not even worth the $1 dollar a week that they're asking. Most of the "content" on these sites is public relations material. I am of course referring to the George Orwell quote: "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed: everything else is public relations." So let them block my adblocking browser. I can get what they write from any number of magazines, but soon they won't be able to get readers who don't block ads.

    9. Re:You can't be fucking serious. by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Then don't pay, visit another website. Make sure you write a nice e-mail to their contact e-mail address telling them they're too expensive.
      With enough feedback, prices will be adjusted.

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    10. Re:You can't be fucking serious. by sootman · · Score: 1

      What if I DON'T want to read Wired ALL the time, but I DO want to OCCASIONALLY read an article? My choices are 1) pay a buck or 2) disable my adblocker and hope nothing bad happens to me?

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    11. Re:You can't be fucking serious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you can't see the content, how are you supposed to decide if it's worth $1 a week?

    12. Re:You can't be fucking serious. by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      I already pay Wired... I'm not sure how much actually... to kill a tree, pulp it, press it out, coat it with ink, bind it, and ship the result to me. Now they want another $52 for the privilege of reading that same content on a screen instead of paper? Oh hell no.

      Wired has been both declining in quality, and making the magazine shorter over the years. And it's just barely worth it in the first place. This is as good a reason not to renew as any.

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    13. Re:You can't be fucking serious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wire is not worth $52/year. They don't have the content or journalists who can write about enough different things to make it worth that. Other publishers do have the content to pull that off (such as The Economist, WSJ and NY Times).

    14. Re:You can't be fucking serious. by dpidcoe · · Score: 1

      However, that 1 dollar a week thing... isn't it exactly what people here and elsewhere asked for? Like, for so long?

      Kind of, but I doubt that wired ever made $5/week from ad revenue from me visiting the site. Charging that much seems more like greed than wanting to keep the site going. Maybe if they charged 10 cents/week it might be seen as more reasonable.

      The other option would be to host the ads themselves (that would be a real pain to block) such that they can vet the things for malware and other abusive and undesirable behavior. The main reason that I use adblock and don't feel bad about it is because of abusive ads. I've tried taking it to various website owners before, but the response is always "I don't have any control over the content, deal with it".

    15. Re:You can't be fucking serious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They need to vet the ads for malware and other obtrusive behavior. Otherwise I'm paying 52 bucks a year to get cooties on my PC.

    16. Re:You can't be fucking serious. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      A lot of web sites are justifiably scared about this approach because they'll find out that they really don't have any faithful visitors.

    17. Re:You can't be fucking serious. by Alcemenes · · Score: 1

      I have their home page open and I'm counting 11 trackers. ELEVEN! I wonder how much of that bullshit will persist for folks who pay the $1/week subscription for the ad free version?

    18. Re:You can't be fucking serious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot the most basic one of all - that the vast majority of advertising focuses on deceit and even outright fraud in order to get you to give them money. Money trumps ethics; people with no ethics are drawn to advertising. Claiming that it's unethical to block ads, when the ads themselves are quite obviously unethical, is ridiculous.

    19. Re:You can't be fucking serious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me list the commercial (for-profit) websites that I visit in an average week at least once, excluding sites that do not do any substantial visual advertising:

      slashdot, reddit, wired, ibtimes, cnn, zdnet, anandtech, phoronix, medium, youtube, stackoverflow, orioleshangout, betanews, plus a fair number of other sites that are linked to as TFAs from Slashdot...

      If I have to pay each of these sites $1 per week, that's on the order of $1,000 per year for news that I'm not paying now. Add that to the umpteen subscriptions I need to keep an online presence, from cloud storage to streaming music/video to free shipping at Amazon to games to a VPS, and I'm basically broke after I've paid for my online expenses.

      Adding another $1000 per year to my expenses while US wages have been stagnant since the 70s is not a plan for success. I'd be happy to pass more money into the digital economy if that money were being provided to me, but it isn't, so I won't.

    20. Re:You can't be fucking serious. by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Yep, reasonable method, unreasonable amount.

      If they could charge e.g. $0.05 per article - pre-purchase 20 article tokens, you can read the preview for free and access the rest by spending a token. That way if I spend every day reading new articles, I'll even get over that $1. If I read less than 20 articles per year, $1 covers a year.

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    21. Re:You can't be fucking serious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how many sites are you going to start paying $1 per week for? And when they find that $1 is not enough, and up the ante, what then?

    22. Re:You can't be fucking serious. by jwhitener · · Score: 1

      Or, as a site operator, like a tv station owner, make sure your advertising isn't offensive.

      How long would TV stations last if the advertisers could just inject whatever videos they want into a small rectangle in the bottom of the TV. The first time a screw up happened, where some advertiser had a disgruntled employee load porn in the rectangle, would be the last time that advertiser existed. The TV station would be fined hugely, etc..

      There needs to be some accountability of content. And if the website itself hosting the ads was made liable for damages, it would come up with a way to make sure the content was vetted before it was served.

      Why not develop a framework for Ad proxying that allows the content to be scanned for malware/bad behavior, then proxy'd by the site owner, so it is actually served from the website domain itself? Any Ad that triggered any warning whatsoever, dependent on site operator settings, would be re-written on the fly as a static image. Like, as a site owner, I want no flash, no javascript ads. Only images or text. I could set that in my Ad framework settings, and the framework would count the hits to the images/text, and send the results back to the flash/js ad as if it were served client side. But this would happen only server side.

      Then Adblockers could have an extra option: Allow sites using the safe, verified, proxied, malware/av scanned Ad framework?

  67. Caching by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    You don't seem to understand the process. An ad aggregator can deal with the Cokes. They would just be paying Wired to cache their ads for them, serving them off Wired's IP address. Wired can just provide them an API to upload and manage the content. The caching can be near real time so it's almost a pass thru.

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    1. Re:Caching by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      That's pretty much how each and every one of the shithole ad networks we have today started. "Don't worry, we only offer well-vetted ads from top-tier brands." And it was true, for a week or two.

      The only difference with your "process" is that ads would be served directly from the publisher's servers; they'd still end up the same shit-mess we have today once the concept was "proven" and publishers took their eyes off those ad spots for two seconds.

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    2. Re:Caching by dpidcoe · · Score: 1

      I think a reply got hidden so I'm a bit fuzzy on who's saying what without the missing context, but I'm pretty sure the main advantage of the content provider hosting the ad on their own server is that it provides incentive to vet the ad, as well as tools for the content provider to manage what ads are displayed (e.g. they can run some basic scans and weed out the obviously bad stuff). Even if the ad-company is just pushing ads into some cache somewhere on wired servers, if one of those ads happens to be malicious it's now because the wired.com domain was hosting malware. It's a bit harder for the site admins to hide behind the "we don't have any control or visibility into what our ad provider displays to you" excuse when their own servers were hosting it.

  68. yeah wired... I HAD a print subscription... by yodleboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I had a print subscription to Wired since 1996. About 2 years ago I didn't renew, not because I didn't like the magazine anymore, but because my magazine continually arrived two to three weeks AFTER it was available on store shelves. That wouldn't have been so bad, except that Wired eventually got to the point of releasing all the magazine content online over the course of the month...for FREE... I tried for nearly 2 years to get Wired to figure out the problem, to no avail. Even when I moved to a new house, 30+ miles away, the late deliveries continued (so probably not a local post office issue.)

    It's always frustrating when you WANT to give a company your money, but they just have to make it so damn hard (see DRM also...) Anyway, maybe I'll whitelist them, maybe I'll just quit going to Wired.com. I'm sure not giving them any more money.

  69. Ads pay that much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are they really getting $1 a week per unique visitor from ad networks?

    1. Re:Ads pay that much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      of course not... they would be lucky at a $2 CPM for video ads... are you hitting wired 500 times a weeks? 100 times a day watching a full video ad? i doubt it.

      $1 is just the smallest credit card transaction most processors support... and the per transaction fees are going to eat a chunk of that right off the bat. so, $1/week or $1/mo... they got greedy.

      fuck wired.

  70. Wired just doesn't "get" the Internet. by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    What can you say? Some old folks just don't.

  71. Maybe Wired needs new management. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    Wow! From the Wired story: "For $1 a week, you will get complete access to our content, with no display advertising or ad tracking."

    From $0 to $52 per year, in one jump? Maybe Wired needs new management.

    "Wait for AdBlock subscriptions to be updated with rules that bypass Wired's ad-blocking blocking."

    Exactly. Ad-blockers can pretend to download the ads, but not show the ads. Not detectable by a web site.

    I just saw a Wired ad. To me, it was deeply offensive. To sustain a woman's interest, a man should give her things that cost a lot of money?

    1. Re:Maybe Wired needs new management. by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Ad-blockers can pretend to download the ads, but not show the ads. Not detectable by a web site.

      One of the common tricks for detecting ad-blockers is to check the size of the element containing the ad banner using JS. If the size is smaller than expected (because no ad is displayed) or no element is present, trigger the anti-adblock code.
      So if you pretend to download the ads but not show them, the script will detect it. You can, however, put a placeholder instead of the ad and download nothing or you can disable the script.
      There is not one single method of detecting ad blockers.

  72. Option #3 by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Option #3 FUCK WIRED!

  73. And just like that, my RSS feed is by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 1

    one source lighter!

  74. 2017 : Wired goes out of business. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You read it first here.

  75. There's an opportunity being wasted. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not offer print subscribers the ability to not have ads?

  76. Re:Are they going to do as poor of a job as Forbes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's amazing how badly the web sucks now when you're sharing POTS or ISDN lines. I'm ready to quit my job because twenty people on one ISDN line just sucks. We're in a very cool building overlooking downtown Seattle, but not being able to even get a T1 to the building sucks. CenturyLink has tried to upgrade the wiring to support DSL on the block, but so far they haven't been successful in their fight against the city to be allowed to.

  77. Third Option by mr_java66 · · Score: 1

    I know of a third option.... Figure out how to FAKE that you are not blocking the ads.

  78. $52 a YEAR? by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

    Damn, that's pretty expensive. A print + online subscription for the magazine is only $19.99, AND a free hat (!). Did someone in their marketing department just fail at basic math, or is this some experiment in psychological marketing? The plug-in Disable Anti-Adblock works great on Forbes, I'm betting it will also work on Wired.

    1. Re:$52 a YEAR? by sbaker · · Score: 1

      The trouble is that they are seeing this as a punitive measure. For some unknown reason, they'd prefer that you unblock the adverts...there is no way they can be making $1/week from adverts - I just don't believe it. So they are trying to 'fine' you $1/visit for having your ad blocker enabled.

      I think that's a dumb move - if they dropped it to some micropayment (give us $5 now and we'll deduct 10 cents per visit and re-bill you $5 when you run out) - maybe they'd find this to be more profitable than handling adverts.

          -- Steve

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    2. Re:$52 a YEAR? by tepples · · Score: 1

      if they dropped it to some micropayment (give us $5 now and we'll deduct 10 cents per visit and re-bill you $5 when you run out)

      If you read one article on each of twenty different sites, which is entirely plausible if you find articles through an aggregator such as reddit, SoylentNews, Slashdot, or the Twitter accounts you follow, how much will you have paid in total to set up these micropayment accounts?

    3. Re:$52 a YEAR? by KermodeBear · · Score: 1

      What if there was a site dedicated to this purpose? One micropayment site that multiple websites could integrate with. Hell, if there was a micropayment standard, with a single sign on service, then you could easily have multiple micropayment sites. Then you keep a balance on the micropayment site, the site keeps track of how many people have paid for a site's content that day, and they cut a check every month.

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    4. Re:$52 a YEAR? by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Damn, that's pretty expensive. A print + online subscription for the magazine is only $19.99, AND a free hat (!). Did someone in their marketing department just fail at basic math, or is this some experiment in psychological marketing?

      Nope, that's pretty standard. It's $52/yr for a subscription, but if you give them your name and home address and let them mail you the ads, they'll give you a $33 discount. Numbers of dead tree subscribers are the old standard for selling ads that has been replaced with page hits and tracking, and probably still worth a lot more to them.

    5. Re:$52 a YEAR? by tepples · · Score: 1

      I would like such a micropayment platform to exist, but none does as far as I can tell, and after Perfect 10 v. Adult Check, it's unlikely that another will take off.

    6. Re:$52 a YEAR? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could be an experiment in pricing. Not impossible.
      I had boxes of 50 razors for $7.50 and had 6-pack on the dollar table. People would buy a handful of the 6-packs. Sold out long before the boxes.

      Math is even easier on this however. Maybe sign up for a couple weeks and catch up?

    7. Re:$52 a YEAR? by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      ... If you read one article on each of twenty different sites, which is entirely plausible if you find articles through an aggregator such as reddit, SoylentNews, Slashdot, or the Twitter accounts you follow, how much will you have paid in total to set up these micropayment accounts?

      Judging from some of the comments, not that many of the readers click through to the linked sites...

      Question: if we click through to the linked site, does Slashdot get anything from that?

  79. LAST STRAW by Thud457 · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's it, I'm sending back my ::cue::cat !


    shit, that joke's old enough to drive...

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    1. Re:LAST STRAW by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      You only have one?

    2. Re:LAST STRAW by Sun · · Score: 1

      At least put a link so reasonably young people know what you're talking about.

      Though, I have to admit, the main thing that crossed my mind when I read your comment was "where did I put mine"?

      Shachar

    3. Re:LAST STRAW by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      At least put a link so UNreasonably young people know what you're talking about [wikipedia.org].

      FTFY

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    4. Re:LAST STRAW by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Me too.... I think I chucked it years ago.

  80. Fundamental change web advertising needed by mike2006 · · Score: 1

    For a start people would not be using Ad blockers if we went back to the days of sites hosting their own Ads that are simply static images. Better yet charge by impressions and if clicks needed to be tracked a TOS where the data is not shared. This would bring back all those Ad dollars from Google and the agencies that are the only the ones making money these days. How stupid are publishers to continue to give away all their advertising dollars while screwing their user base on privacy, page load times and intrusive Ads. Google and the agencies stranglehold on Advertising must be broken!

  81. I block ads because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... ad networks take money without verifying content. Ad networks are some of the largest infection vectors. Blocking ads keeps my corporate users safe. I find that using Firefox along with Adblock Plus, Ghostery, HTTPS Everywhere, MalwareBytes RealTime Protection and Privacy Badger helps keep my network cleaner and safer. I've lived through many ransomware and malware attacks and I'd rather not spend my time recovering from such events. So go ahead an block the ad blockers. You'll be less relevant and we'll just move on to the next information source. Don't let the virtual, ad-blocked door hit you in the virtual butt on the way out.

  82. Who are Wired ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who are Wired ? I've never heard of 'em.

  83. Quite simply, you're not remembering correctly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Magazine subscriptions rarely cost that much. More like $10 to $30 for a monthly, perhaps double that for a weekly.

  84. Pay-to-view ad-free is OK by me. by sbaker · · Score: 1

    Personally, I think the world would be a better place if ads were simply illegal - across the board. No TV ads, no web ads, no freeway ads...nothing. Obviously, services that are currently ad-supported need to get paid somehow - so we'd need subscriptions and/or per-visit payments.

    People complain that they can't afford those fees - but adverts don't make things free. Adverts increase the price of things you buy (someone has to pay for the advert!), adverts eat your time (==money), they cost more bandwidth to deliver (==money) and there are the middle-men who make the ads and who deliver them who eat more money.

    Consider this: 23% of the cost of a car is the cost of advertising it. If just car adverts were banned - and assuming you pay $200/month in car payments - you could be saving $46/month to spend on advert-free TV and per-visit web site fees...and that's just cars. Add in your savings on everything else that's advertised - and you'd probably have a couple of hundred bucks to spend on paying web sites to deliver decent content to you.

    So - if I live by what I claim, I should be OK with paying Wired $1/week to get ad-free content...the trouble is that I don't visit their site once a week...maybe once a month or something. $4/month is far *far* too much. Given the large number of sites I visit, there is no way I could afford to pay everyone $1/week.

    So I'm behind Wired on this one - *but* it needs to be a micropay-per-visit thing and it needs to be much, much cheaper.

    But they have the right idea.

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    1. Re:Pay-to-view ad-free is OK by me. by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      There should be a law against people that say "there should be a law ..." ! 8-)

  85. The real headine by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    The real headline: "Wired Loses Majority of Users"

    Wired is okay (eh), but if I can't visit their site, my life won't be adversely affected.

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    1. Re:The real headine by sbaker · · Score: 1

      That would be incorrect though - they say that only 20% of their readership uses an ad-blocker. Some percentage will doubtless white-list, others (probably not many) will cough up the $1.

      No matter what - their readership won't drop by more than 20% (I'd bet 10%) - so saying that they lost "the majority" (meaning more than 50%) would be wildly overstating the effect.

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    2. Re:The real headine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      JustAnotherOLDBitch why'd you run from answering this question http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ? Will apk adversely affect your life if you do? Must be. He already is from your rants against him considering you get paid by ads and ones that what you don't mind in almostalladsblocked being used on your sites is letting those paying ads of yours through is why you hate hosts so much since hosts unlike almostalladsblocked doesn't let ads through.

  86. I will probably subscribe by cfalcon · · Score: 1

    First, I'll make sure I can still visit the site ad-free. There's always a workaround to this kind of malice, after all. It's entirely possible to hit Forbes with an adblocker up, for instance, via a quick google for a nice set of variables to set clientside.

    Then, I'll probably just subscribe. I hate ads so very much that I refuse to view them entirely, but 4.5 $/month is not an out of line amount to ask. It's a bit on the high side for a magazine, but not absurd. I can probably afford 52 dollars a year: I can't afford whatever ruinous financial or emotional decisions advertisements will inflict on me.

    1. Re:I will probably subscribe by KermodeBear · · Score: 1

      $1 per week is not that great a deal, considering they already sell a 2 year subscription, website and print, for $30. Plus you get a hat.

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    2. Re:I will probably subscribe by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      Well, I think that version still has ads. I think that's the print version only, right? This sounds like a new ad-free option for their website.

  87. Okay -- Fine by Me by chill · · Score: 1

    If, by paying the subscription, I can continue to use the ad blocker, I'll pay for it.

    My issues are when I pay for a subscription but still get a crapton of ads.

    You can't have both. I will happily do without your service if that is the case.

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  88. Their business is likely failing. by timrod · · Score: 1

    I've noticed that when companies start doing this sort of thing it's because they're losing money, corporate is not pleased, and they need a convienient bogeyman to blame their decreased revenues on. It will only be once they've implemented their futile anti-Adblock methods and are still losing money six months to a year down the road that they will be forced to address the real, underlying issues (a decline in article quality, a decline in relevance to their readers) that are causing them to fail.

    1. Re:Their business is likely failing. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      In that case, the music industry has been failing for far too long. Amazing what inertia oil tankers have.

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  89. I block ads because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the ads were making my browser unusable. The ads at best were obnoxious. At worse they froze my browser. .

  90. There has to be a happy medium by bravecanadian · · Score: 1

    Here somewhere.. I understand people blocking ads.. I use an ad blocker all the time myself because most of the time the ads are so obnoxious and/or distributing malware etc.

    On the other hand if you want good content someone has to pay for it.

  91. I'd pay $1/week by gurps_npc · · Score: 1
    If instead of having 'permission' to use an adblocker, they removed their ads entirely and did NOT track me at all while I was logged in to the pay version.

    But paying them to limit most ads and still let them track me is NOT worth it.

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  92. Skewed value against subscribers by Cruciform · · Score: 1

    If I put ads on a page, then I'd have to get around a thousand pairs of eyeballs on it to make a dollar with a lot of the CPM rates out there.

    Yet Wired thinks that if you use adblock to protect your computer the amount of pages you read in a week on their site will be comparable. Or they just think that you should be subjected to a subscriber tax...

  93. Why does my adblocker reveal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... whether I'm blocking ads?

  94. It isn't about the Ads by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    Hey Wired,

    How many market intelligence firms and cross site stalkers do you need to spy on us in order to run a website? Are stats you can just as easily collect more accurately yourself worth it?

    My guess like most sites you probably don't even know what all is going on within your own site because most of the code comes from third parties. Before you tell your viewers to fuck off you might want to figure it out... or don't... just pay out lip service and don't actually change.

  95. How about this by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    However, that 1 dollar a week thing... isn't it exactly what people here and elsewhere asked for?

    I don't think many people have asked to pay $50+ a month for a website, or would be willing to pay that much...

    What about some combination of payment and sensible ads? Let Wired sell ads that are just images, that link to an advertisers site. Few would object to that, they'd make less but that could be made up by a more reasonable subscription rate (like say $1/month).

    Wired could even offer to give advertisers aggregate data for anyone that actually clicked on a ad, so they would not lose as much over traditional advertising... most people would not care, because is the UX abusing aspect of ads (like popover/unders) that really anger people.

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    1. Re:How about this by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

      1 dollar a week is 4 to 5 dollars a month or $52 a year not $50 a month.

      I have to weigh whether the few times I go to Wired is worth $1 month though. Do I really read enough Wired to justify that cost? I used to have a subscription years ago but the content wasn't interesting enough (kind of a People magazine of Tech) to maintain it.

      [John]

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    2. Re:How about this by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the correction, I meant to say "a year" but messed up. I think $50+ a year is way too high for most websites, especially Wired that I read infrequently...

      Also think about it from the standpoint of magazines - you used to be able to subscribe to a magazine for $12 per year, which had a lot more costs (like printing) going on for a fair amount of content per month. Why should you have to pay substantially more than a magazine for the same amount of content?

      I personally also doubt I'd pay $12/year for Wired at this point though, it's not the Wired of old...

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    3. Re: How about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Per site, as more expect it.

    4. Re:How about this by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Fair enough, if the price is steep enough, then you don't visit it.
      I certainly don't intend on visiting it, paying for visiting it or even bear with their ads.

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    5. Re:How about this by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

      I think someone else made the same comment though. $12 a year was for an ad filled magazine. The ads paid part of the costs of printing, distribution, and paying for staff. With no ads, the price would have to go up.

      I'm more in favor of paying my share of whatever the ad revenue brought in for whatever I'm reading. Not for the entire site.

      [John]

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    6. Re:How about this by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I did pay $50 a year to a site because I supported their business, even though I didn't view much of the paywalled content.

      Then they showed me a preview of content and asked me to log in to view the rest. I logged in. They removed access to the preview and the rest of the content, on the grounds that by logging in I'd confirmed I was in a country to which they couldn't share that content.

      Obviously I just went to another website and enjoyed the same content, in full. I also cancelled my membership. Fuck them, fuck their business and fuck giving them $50 a year.

    7. Re:How about this by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      Their magazine was also--in my opinion--a triumph of printed media. It wasn't just newsprint, it was thick, glossy paper. The pages were packed with content in new and interesting ways, and sometimes they'd try some dumb printing thing and it would flop, but at least it was interesting for a month. Wired was such a good magazine, back in the day. Honestly, it's still a good magazine now--it's just a really mediocre website. I was even subscribed to the iPad version for a long time before I realised it was a struggle to find time to read that much content from one place all at once.

      I may consider subscribing to the site for $1/week...as long as I'm allowed to choose the weeks as I wish. Most weeks, I don't visit. If I want to read a story on some random week, I wouldn't object to throwing $1 their way for a week's worth of access to read a few articles.

    8. Re:How about this by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      $1 per week is just over $4 a month. No idea how you come up with that $50/month number.

      Their fee for the online magazine is less than that of the print version.

    9. Re:How about this by bobbutts · · Score: 1

      The print magazine is regularly available through various discounters for under $1 per issue. The nominal prices are the only reason I've kept subscribing to any print magazines.

    10. Re:How about this by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      OK that's cheaper indeed. But it's for sure not ad free!

    11. Re:How about this by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Then, when I realized I'm paying $12 a year for the 'privilege' of reading pages upon pages of ads with trace amounts of content in between, I moved on.

      Ads should help provide the content at reduced price. Instead, the content becomes a lousy quality bait to shove more ads down your throat.

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    12. Re:How about this by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      What site was that?
      Just so that I know what to avoid?

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    13. Re:How about this by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Official site of a sports team I support.

  96. I want to go first party. What should I read? by tepples · · Score: 2

    If they want to sell ads, actually sell the space

    Say someone operates a website as a hobby, but then the site outgrows the $10 per month VPS it started on. This means its operator will start to need to sell ad space to pay the hosting bill. Can you recommend a guide for the operator of a relatively small site to learn how to sell ad space?

    1. Re:I want to go first party. What should I read? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Provide a contact information page for those interested in buying ad space. Perhaps list some basic size/views/rate combinations.

    2. Re:I want to go first party. What should I read? by tepples · · Score: 1

      That's the first step. The second is to provide a web form for advertisers to upload suitably sized images and set the placement, caption, link target, and start and end dates, so that you can just approve, approve, reject, approve.

      This leaves two problems: finding what rate to charge, and getting advertisers to find this contact information page.

    3. Re:I want to go first party. What should I read? by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 1

      What rate to charge: What seems reasonable to you? Ask for that. If you get no takers, you're asking too much. That's how prices are set in a free market economy.

      How to get advertisers to find the contact page: The target market for the advertisers are your readers. Some of your readers will also be advertisers or know others who will be. That's where the old-style "Your Ad Here! Call 555-1212 for information" boxes come in.

      There you go. Best of luck to you.

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    4. Re:I want to go first party. What should I read? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Allow visitors to the site to donate.
      But, but but, I can hear people cry out... "But I can't do that, there's not enough revenue from donations." Well then, maybe they need to say what "enough" means. I honestly think that those people don't really want to remain as unpaid hobbyists, and that instead they really want to become a professional internet personality so that they can quit their day job. If so, they should be honest about it instead of pretending that they only need enough money to pay for the extra ISP costs. Otherwise, not getting enough donations really means that no one cares about your hobby.

    5. Re:I want to go first party. What should I read? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure...

      1) Have a think about the types of product and companies that your demographic might be interested in.
      2) Call the marketing departments of said companies.
      3) Tell the marketing departments about your demographic and size, and ask them if they would be interested in advertising.
      4) Profit

      Anyone who can afford the time to operate a large website can afford to take a few hours a month to do some lead generation.

    6. Re:I want to go first party. What should I read? by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Also: Charge as much as you need to cover the costs of your site. Don't try to make a fortune on it, and the slippery slope won't happen.

      When you begin considering options for automatic ad placement on your site without you personally reviewing each ad, it means you lost the purpose somewhere along the way.

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  97. Re:Ok...Jobs v. Cook by BronsCon · · Score: 1
    I think you meant to say

    The thing is, without Apple, Tim Cook is a nobody.
    Without Steve Jobs, Apple is nothing.

    You know, I despised the man when he was alive, but Apple products were usable under Jobs and that usability has been eroded with every update and release since his departure. Even the staunchest Apple supporters I know are starting to admit this (by way of starting the conversation themselves, not "agreeing" with me to shut me up).

    But, how can I say Apple is nothing when they're the 2nd most valuable company in the world? They fell pretty far to get there; think of them as the safe you keep all of your valuables in and never open. Until you actually look, that safe is everything; once you open it, though...

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  98. Missing third option... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    3. Delete the bookmark to Wired.

    Unless advertisements on the web suddenly become 100% security worry free that's the best choice really.

  99. You want me to see your ads? by Holi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Fine,
    1 No auto playing video.
    2 No pop-ups, pop-unders, page covering ads, or ads that cover the article where I have to wait for the close x.
    3 No malware vectors, all your ads should be vetted (no exceptions)
    Break any one and I use an ad-blocker. If that means I don;t read your rag, fine. The fact you are a tech magazine means you are just losing readership and will soon disappear.


    The internet was not built to be an advertising medium, yet here we are, the majority of what you see online is advertising. It's gross and sad that we cannot come up with a way of funding things without constantly barraging people with lies.

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    1. Re:You want me to see your ads? by houghi · · Score: 1

      The internet was not built to be an advertising medium, yet here we are, the majority of what you see online is advertising.

      You know why? Because people like you keep saying that it is ok to show ads. The discussion should not be how ads can be shown, it should about showing ads at all.

      It feels as if you are defending the Maffia by saying they should not kill a person, instead they should just hit him a couple of times. Sure, already a step in the right direction, but not far enough. What you actualy want is no Mafia at all.

      I do not want to watch their ads. I understand why they exist, just like I know why the Mafia exists. Does not mean I want it.

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  100. I don't mind whitelisting their ads but .. by HalcyonTimes · · Score: 1

    .. their suggestion is to whitelist the entire site. This unblocks more than just their ads. It also unblocks analytics, ab-testing, other statistics tracking, and who knows what else. I was surprised to see this suggestion.

    That being said, I don't particularly mind opening an incognito window every time, it prevents tracking (to an extent) and they still get to run their ads.

  101. Adult Check: Because you're a grown-up. by tepples · · Score: 1

    What I would be willing to do is fund a micropayment account, and then pay sites a few cents per page view to replace the revenue they'd get from ads.

    Sort of like the Adult Check network back in the late 1990s?

    1. Re:Adult Check: Because you're a grown-up. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      There are a lot of reasons why people don't like micropayments, which means that in the 90s advertisements were a much better way of getting money out of visits. However, micropayments are a lot better than ads with malware, so I'd consider them now.

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    2. Re:Adult Check: Because you're a grown-up. by Threni · · Score: 1

      You can't compare some old version of something with some new version of something. People always spoke about micropayments but they either didn't exist, sucked, or no-one used them. If there was a standard way of paying sites tiny amounts of money per page/when you felt like it/some other metric it could transform the internet.

    3. Re:Adult Check: Because you're a grown-up. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If it would transform the internet now, it could have transformed it back then. I believe there were attempts, but they sucked and nobody used them. I haven't seen any proposals that don't suck. There may be a way to use them that doesn't suck, but I haven't seen it yet.

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    4. Re:Adult Check: Because you're a grown-up. by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      I have a feeling that micropayments would make "the internet" track users even more. This is because most people are too dumb to disagree if a website promises to track them everywhere as well as ask for micropayments.

      Without micropayments, at least it is easy to somewhat thwart tracking by deleting cookies and other browser data every time you go to a new website. With micropayments, one might have to change payment mode every few minutes. Banking system may "innovate" to make that easy - in a few dozens of years. Or maybe not - they might partake in the tracking fest.

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  102. Re:Are they going to do as poor of a job as Forbes by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    What is the deal with the "I live in Seattle and have slow internet" AC's? I live in Seattle and have 1 Gb fiber.

  103. So, 20% of traffic comes from users blocking ads by wings · · Score: 1

    In other news...
    Traffic to Wired down 20%

  104. Prepare to pay overages by tepples · · Score: 1

    Ad-blockers can pretend to download the ads, but not show the ads. Not detectable by a web site.

    Still detectable by your ISP, which will start billing you for data usage overages.

  105. $1/week is extreme. by berchca · · Score: 1

    Basically, by offering a $52/year subscription option, Wired isn't offering an option to ads. Even if they are sincere in their offer, their thinking strikes me as heckish outdated: we are no longer required to buy music by the album, so why would we subscribe to a whole magazine when we just want to read one of their articles?

    I know micropayments haven't caught on, but this seems like a good place to give them another try. But first Wired would need to make an honest assessment of how much they make in per-reader/per-ad, and offer us equivalence.

  106. Sites that are less sticky by tepples · · Score: 2

    That's fine if a site is sticky, such as a forum. Something Awful succeeds with a paywall because forums are sticky. But say you read ten different articles on ten different websites in one day. Are you willing to pay $1 and key in your payment information for each article?

    1. Re:Sites that are less sticky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, overcoming the hassle barrier is going to be key. I really think the big publishers should come together and build a platform where you can put in $20 and let people to pay per article or monthly and have it all come out of the same account. What is Wired getting per page view? 5 cents? I think people would easily pay such small amounts, but the hassle of doing it for every site makes it too expensive, not the monetary amount.

  107. Unsafe at any price by mileshigh · · Score: 1

    let me know where I can get free food, free gas and a free mortgage!

    Nobody's interested if the free food that has viruses in it. Same for free gas that has water in it, or a rent-free house with a gas leak. Such things are called toxic waste and/or public hazards.

  108. $1/week? by Zaowulf · · Score: 1

    That's... actually kind of reasonable. If I frequented WIRED more I might actually think about signing up.

  109. Excuse not to RTFA by tepples · · Score: 1

    Noone makes you go to an ad-supported website and read their content.

    Then fire that hermit.

    More seriously, on Slashdot, does "I couldn't see the article through the obnoxious ads" count as a valid excuse not to read the featured article?

  110. Subscriptions that work for only one site by tepples · · Score: 1

    Can I buy one subscription and have it work across multiple sites? Otherwise, if I read one article per week on each of 20 different sites, it's not $1 per week as much as $1 per article.

  111. Cellular/satellite ISP charges you to receive ads by tepples · · Score: 1

    Cellular and satellite ISPs tend to charge $5 to $15 per GB. If the ads (especially video ads) in the Wired articles you read total 200 MB to 67 MB per week, you come out ahead by subscribing. But another large fraction of readership hits one article and leaves.

  112. Just serve 1st party! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why have ad servers at all?
        Why can't a product company have a relationship with a website, and send them ad .JPGs that the website then places on the site? Like a billboard.

      Businesses that set themselves up as a middle man or content manager, (such as an ad serving company), just create distance from a company trying to sell its product and the audience- the actual website showing the ad should be the 1 step between the two.

  113. a reader? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    On an average day, more than 20 percent of the traffic to WIRED.com comes from a reader who is blocking our ads.

    So they only have about five readers in total?

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    1. Re:a reader? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At most, 4. "...more than 20 percent..."

  114. Abusing advertising again in a new way by ajyand · · Score: 1

    If Wired follows the acceptable ads rules they'll not be blocked on my ad-blocker anyway. This is all an excuse to migrate to subscription based business under the cover.

  115. Printable version for subscribers only by tepples · · Score: 1

    Maybe pretend to be in print mode too

    That's why Ars Technica puts print mode behind a paywall.

  116. oh well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    one less site to visit.

  117. MST3K by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have no idea how this MST3K quote has stuck in my head all these years:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0kgu3HuvXQ

  118. Abstract-only indexing of inverted pyramid article by tepples · · Score: 1

    They'll do what The Wall Street Journal and academic journals also do: serve only the first paragraph to search engines and other non-subscribers without script. It's been standard journalistic practice for decades to keyword-stuff in the lead; they call it an inverted pyramid.

  119. Don't want people running AdBlocker? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Then don't make the advertising on your site intrusive, and abusive.

    Ads have been on the Internet for 15 years now, we're willing to accept some advertising. But if you go overboard, we'll find ways to make it go the fuck away. The rise of ad blockers can be correlated with the rise of in-your-face pop-over infuriating advertising. I know the bills have to be paid, but stop throwing it up in my face covering the content.

    You've got nobody to blame but yourself. Think of ad blocker software as the DVR 30 second skip button of the Internet. It exists purely as a reaction to content providers going over the line a few too many times.

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  120. Absurdly Expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $1 a week? $52 a year?

    And they're claiming they're charging that to recover lost ad revenue?

    I'm thinking Wired is either lying or can't do math.

  121. What a prefect car analogy by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    on Slashdot? Say it ain't so!!

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    1. Re:What a prefect car analogy by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

      Isn't that a "Ford Prefect"?

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  122. Easy fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you run any router with dnsmasq:

    address=/.wired.com/192.168.0.1

  123. Wired - the tech website/magazine for hipsters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wired's only demographic is for hipsters who think they're too edgy for Popular Science. It's garbage, I really don't know how magazines like it continue to exist. Why would anybody read it, let alone pay for it? It's the 21st century equivalent of Omni.

  124. Aaaand... by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

    ...nothing of value was lost.

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  125. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  126. That number is going up by dlenmn · · Score: 1

    According to Wired, only 20% of the visitors to the site block ads. Hardly a reason for a site to go bankrupt.

    Part of the issue is that the number of people that block ads is increasing. Regardless, how do you know that your statement is true? There's not a ton of money in web ads, so maybe losing 20% of their revenue steam is too much. Unless you know Wired's financials, you aren't in a position to make the statement you made.

    That said, the rest of your comment is very constructive. Thank you for participating in the dialog.

  127. http://www.wired.com/2015/09/content-blocking-apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm grateful to Wired for warning me about these creeps.
    I'm a little behind on my reading, so I better catch up and see what's new since September 2015 when Wired wrote:

    "... Internet advertising is still evolving, but one constant remains: ads specifically targeted to you make more money for publishers, so it is in their interest to fill their sites with those ads. However, those ads are murder on the speed of a page, turning a lightening-quick load time into an eight-second slog. It’s worth noting that ads aren’t the only thing to blame for this. The scripts that track you and peep on your tent-shopping load along with the page, and slow it down too. But wait. There’s more. Article comments often are hosted by third-party services like Disqus and Facebook, and—yep!—they drag things down too. So do fancy fonts. Turns out the web is loaded with weights.

    You’re not powerless here. You have many choices for dealing with this. People have long used ad blockers and content blockers ...."

  128. Also less content by dlenmn · · Score: 1

    To add to your point, I'm guessing that the print version has less content than the website. (Not all of the online content makes it to the magazine.) So the print version has advertising and less content than the web version while costing half as much. If $25 for the magazine is worthwhile, then $52 for the website is probably worthwhile too.

  129. WRT self-hosting ads by dlenmn · · Score: 1

    (This is a self reply instead of making the same comment for several posts.)

    I see a lot of suggestions for self-hosting ads, which is certainly worth trying. However, I asked about that in my post: "What if non-abusive ads aren't enough to break even?"

    Self-hosting ads adds overhead in courting advertisers and vetting the ads. Self-hosting ads that don't track you also makes the ads less valuable to advertisers, so Wired will likely get less money for each ad.

    It is not at all clear to me that self-hosting ads will produce enough revenue. Like I said, it's worth a shot, but I'm not convinced it's the silver bullet than many are suggesting.

    1. Re:WRT self-hosting ads by Cederic · · Score: 1

      "What if non-abusive ads aren't enough to break even?"

      Then your business model relies on abusing people. Stop. Go out of business.

  130. National Geographic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    National Geographic costs $34/Yr. for gorgeous printed paper delivered to my door every month. It also covers excellent writers, photographers, researchers...

    Wired was and continues to be a PoS eZine, worth precisely nothing. They can fantasize about their $52/Yr. for clickbait articles and web delivery while they file their unemployment checks.

  131. No by dlenmn · · Score: 1

    Advertisers go for the Superbowl because they have a pretty good idea how many eyeballs their ads will reach, and there's no doubt that the ad was shown at the Superbowl. In contrast, without some sort of script, it would be very hard for advertisers to independently verify the statistics provided by Wired (or any other website).

  132. LOL @ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... implying that Wired's content is worth "$52/year" ... implying that Wired isn't pmuch clickbait

  133. Re:Coren22 "assburger defective" nukes himself by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    OMG, you are HILARIOUS! Insults instead of conversation, thus proving me right!

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  134. We need to understand the answer to your question by dlenmn · · Score: 1

    Why do/did they think they can just outsource their ads for their online product?

    Because directly courting advertisers and vetting every ad adds overhead to a process which already isn't that profitable. Additionally, outsourcing the product makes the process more flexible; ads can be quickly tested and swapped out for better performing adds. I'm sure there are other benefits to outsourcing ads too.

    I'm not defending online advertising practices. I'm just saying that there's a good reason that things evolved into the current state of affairs. It's hard to find a solution without really understanding the problem. Understanding the problem means being able to answer the question you posed without simply dismissing Wired and the likes as idiots.

  135. very much overpriced by 2fuf · · Score: 1

    Even if I were considering a subscription, which I am most definitely *not*, I'd say $52 / year is ridiculously overpriced.

    It compares in no way to the ad revenue that I'd generate, and I also think it's an exaggeration of the value of their content.
    I do pay for Google Drive expanded storage ($6 / year) Reddit Gold ($30 / year), but only because I'm spending most of my web time using these services.

    Those 3 or 4 articles a year I'd read on Wired will be covered elsewhere and won't be missed at all.

  136. They will just change the definition of ads by Stan92057 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I paid for a weather channel subscription years ago because it was cheap and they made the CLAIM no ads. That was as it turned out a flat out lie. I unsubscribed the very same day, turns out at the time a lot of people were doing the same. They will just change the definition of what ads are they cant help themselves.The urge to forge loopholes is just too great.

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  138. OK by craighansen · · Score: 1

    I'll just read them on huffingtonpost.com, "lightly paraphrased."

  139. Re:Coren22 "assburger defective" nukes himself by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    You know, speaking of yourself in the third person is a sign of a mental issue, you really should have that looked at.

    Also, constantly espousing your victory when you have succeeded at nothing is manager behavior, not "expert" territory.

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  140. I pay for print by RevRagnarok · · Score: 1

    OK, I pay for the print edition. Does that mean I get some kind of login to continue using my ad blocker?

    --
    I should put something clever here. Maybe someday.
  141. So what if I don't run adblock and visit your site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And just fucking ignore your ads. I don't click on shit. I read the article and leave. How bout that? You still mad? What are you gonna do about that shit?

  142. Not bad, not great by dbarclay10 · · Score: 1

    So $1 a week is doable. I'd be willing to pay $4/mo for any number of high-quality sites (Wired, Ars, NYT, etc. - the biggies). On the other hand, I'd also like to echo many other people in this tread: the problem isn't ads, it's the third-party ads delivered via ad networks via HTML/JS/Flash/etc..

    I might still pay the $4/mo to get rid of the ads, but I'd also be fine whitelisting Wired if they served ads first-party that were vetted by Wired staff (like they used to do with print ads). Right now, I'll simply not patronize any site that disallows ad blockers. That's crazy talk, and dangerous to boot.

    --

    Barclay family motto:
    Aut agere aut mori.
    (Either action or death.)
  143. Then circumvent harder. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    It's not like adblocking is illegal.

    --
    Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
  144. OH wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doing without wired is like skipping a two day old donut.

  145. these are not the shopping droids ... by epine · · Score: 2

    Lost in all of this is that people who run software ad blockers probably also run mental ad blockers (in my case, this can not be uninstalled), so our response to the advertising—even if they manage to shove it down our throats—is not going to generate any significant net cash outflow.

    For a while, Wired can monetize the increasing number of eyeballs, but then the advertisers will normalize to the newly deflated advertising conversion rate (down 20%? who would have guessed?) and Wired will eventually end up getting exactly the same money as before.

    Nice business model you've got there. Shame if anyone connected all the dots.

    Barker: Hey, I'd like to interest you in a new business model!

    Banker: How does it work?

    Barker: You plant a suggestion, then people buy your shit.

    Banker: A suggestion?

    Barker: A Loud, Noisy, Flashy, Wheezy, Spinning, Popping, Sliding suggestion.

    Banker: I think you missed a dwarf. Somebody steal your March?

    Barker: Him, too.

    Banker: But—the suggestion isn't actually binding on the bumpkin, and surely you must give them something in return just to get their attention in the first place?

    Barker: Cheaper than you think.

    Banker: But—I'm still having trouble with the fundamentally non-binding nature of the transaction.

    Barker: A new day, a new dawn! We'll make this Silverado shitstorm so ubiquitous, it'll soon become regarded as a moral crime to respond to our everlasting fusillade of suggestive schlock as anything less than simply irresistible.

    Banker: You certainly have big plans.

    Barker: And you certainly have big bucks.

    Banker: I won't have to actually drive a Silverado, will I?

    Barker: Oh, no. You can drive a Bentley.

    Banker: Funny you say that. I was looking at one just the other day.

    Barker: A red one?

    Banker: Just how would you know that?

    Short, conspiratorial silence.

    Barker: [whispers] Pull up a chair, here's where it gets real interesting ...

  146. Good, more time back in my day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good, now I can stop wasting my time trying to scroll through their garbage layout that doesn't work for shit without javascript enabled.

    Good riddance.

  147. Re:We need to understand the answer to your questi by Ken+D · · Score: 1

    Well like many other outsourcers, they are.
    If advertising is so important to their business, then they should have maintained adequate control over it. They could have contracts with guarantees for quality, security, and penalties for failure to meet them. At the end of the day someone has to take responsibility for the advertising.

  148. Wow, never used them in the first place. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    Ads are dangerous these days.

    Ad sellers don't vet the ads at all. It's basically begging for malware to be installed on your machine.

    Static ads won't be blocked. Go back to static ads.

    --
    She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
  149. Re:Want people to see ads? Do this! by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    Bear in mind that ad.example,com is not necessarily from the same anything as www.example.com.

    --
    "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  150. A Click starts a negotiation, it doesn't end one by crtreece · · Score: 2

    If the content is soooo special that they feel the need to rape my computer before I see it, the site can require a subscription or dedicated app. Clicking a link is not an agreement on my part to accept any and all conditions of the site in order to view the content. Clicking a link is the beginning of a negotiation for exchange of data. A negotiation that I will leave if third party scripts, third party ads, tracking cookies, or flash content are requirements.

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  151. Evil ad-blocking Wired reader by mugurel · · Score: 1

    ...more than 20 percent of the traffic to WIRED.com comes from a reader who is blocking our ads.

    Does that mean they have less than five readers a day, or is that ad-blocking reader a very heavy Wired-user?

  152. Re:A Click starts a negotiation, it doesn't end on by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

    If the content is soooo special that they feel the need to rape my computer before I see it...

    That's fine, but keep in mind that this isn't a situation where the context exists whether it's paid for or not. Here's the context of the post I was responding to:

    How is selling ads "abusing" them? The whole damn point of the enterprise is to make some jingle.

    This person is correct. Some of the discussion on this topic has gone down the path of: "The internet existed before ads!" While true, we're also very much enjoying the content that ad-revenue is bringing us today, ignoring that fact will not lead to a proper negotiation with the content producers to show some sensibility when it comes to monetizing our eyeballs.

    *sigh* I'm getting old. I just know somebody's going to respond to my post as if I'm defending malware-spewing sites when clearly I'm not.

    --

    "I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)

  153. time to countersue by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    Okay, I'll just sue them for hosting ads containing or linking to malware.

    1. Re:time to countersue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Internet Tough Guy, you won't.

  154. A Click starts a negotiation, it doesn't end one by crtreece · · Score: 1

    this isn't a situation where the context exists whether it's paid for or not.

    I'm not sure I'm following this part. This isn't a chick/egg situation. If there is no content, I have no reason to go to a site. If I don't go to a site, I don't care what ridiculous requirements they think they can impose on me to see their lack of content. If there is content, but the rules for seeing it are too much of a burden on me, then it might as well not exist.
    Say some new site pops up. They have to have some reason for people to go there. They could offer samples of their content, they could make note of some famous writer that is working for them, they could have agreements for exclusive content from some company/industry/whatever. It doesn't matter what their angle is, any time I type their URL in the address bar, or click a link that goes there, we are starting a new negotiation for data exchange. If I don't like the rules they impose, I am free to leave. If content producers want to wall off their content, whether it's ads, scripts, flash, requiring an app be installed, cookies, or some other restriction, they are also free to do that

    The whole damn point of the enterprise is to make some jingle.

    This person is correct. Some of the discussion on this topic has gone down the path of: "The internet existed before ads!" While true, we're also very much enjoying the content that ad-revenue is bringing us today, ignoring that fact will not lead to a proper negotiation with the content producers to show some sensibility when it comes to monetizing our eyeballs.

    I'm familiar with the history of how content on the internet has been financed. I also enjoy the increased amount of content that is available when compared to 1996. That said, there has to be some better way than what we have now. There is no content that is worth the drain created by scripts, trackers, flash, and the like.

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  155. Well... by koan · · Score: 1

    Goodbye Wired.

    --
    "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
  156. Yup don't need it buh bye. by freeschwag · · Score: 1

    Found recently at Forbes.com ... Hi again. Looks like youâ(TM)re still using an ad blocker. Please turn it off in order to continue into Forbesâ(TM) ad-light experience.

    --
    Tweet, tweet, all id10t's out of the gene pool, open swim is over.
  157. Fuc off and die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If 20 percent of your traffic goes elsewhere many more will follow to the new spot.
    You suc to begin with.

  158. What about the trackers, Wired? by blahblahwoofwoof · · Score: 1

    The Disconnect tool tells me 35 different sites, most definitely difficult to associate directly with Wired's core business, are informed every time I visit wired.com. Of those 35, my blockers stop 11. What about the other 24? From where I sit, it would seem to me that Wired is already heavily monetized even with conventional ad blockers engaged.
    It's up to them to fully explain what those partnerships are really about before I pony up anything more than I already have. Transparency, Wired, is the name of the game. 'Fess up.

  159. Hey! A New slash-dot poll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long before Wired.Com files for bankruptcy?

  160. RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wired is absolute garbage. Good luck with your new plan guys. I stopped visiting long ago. RIP.

  161. This won't work by Sklivvz · · Score: 1

    If ads are served after the content, which must be true if they want to appear in Google results, then it follows that an appropriate extension will always be able to block the ad, and the adblocker blocker, and...

    It's a strategy which can't win in the long run.

  162. Bye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wired's content isn't worth a penny anymore. The odd time I read content there I often feel dirty and ashamed of myself for wasting time on such obvious drivel.

    Advertisers should be forced to pay for end user bandwidth wasted on adverts.

  163. Ads are fine by wakeboarder · · Score: 1

    Until you start turning every webpage into a freaking tabloid.

  164. Yeah, sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...I'll unblock you in AdBlock.

    It's just too bad that there's no way I'll ever whitelist your ad servers in NoScript.

    I guess we'll see how "polite" your ads really are.

  165. Re:Are they going to do as poor of a job as Forbes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's one street near Northgate that I know of that has 1 Gbps CenturyLink, but with much of the city blocked from upgrading of phone and cable equipment and wiring due to the Director's Rules, many people are still stuck with POTS lines.

  166. You all have it wrong! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Don't give up on them. This is a challenge. That is what every blockage is.

    --
    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  167. wired content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wired content, laced with sponsored stories is not particularly worthy 1usd a week... maybe 5usd a year would be allright with me for the rare occasion they do publish something quality... and yes by all means I couldnt care less if most of their employees are gone...

  168. Duty calls (kxcd) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Out of curiosity I went to Wired.com. Probably been there a few dozen times ever, at most. I thought I want to like them. I saw an article, "How to Customize Your Sound System for Your Living Room."
    Being a music and audio lover, I opened the article. In the 3rd paragraph I was shocked, shocked! to read:
    "A square room with minimal obstructions between speaker and listener is most ideal..."
    "Someone is wrong on the internet!" (kxcd #386)
    It is soo wrong...okay, putting speakers or any sound source in a square room results in echoes that bounce back forth between walls, called standing waves. Just google "acoustics standing waves." A square room is horrible. A sphere is the worst. Non-parallel walls and ceiling-floor are best.
    Basically, it confirmed what I thought: Wired may have some decent articles, but like like most magazines and internet magazines, Sturgeon's Law applies. What? Oh...Google Sturgeon's Law! Geesh.

  169. Long time coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Honestly I'm surprised that every site that relies on ads hasn't been doing this for years now. As usual they're all far behind the times.

    Not that I think it's a good idea, obviously if ads are being blocked it's because the ads are a disease, not because we just like installing random browser add-ons.

  170. Advertising is only blocked when it's abusive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop abusing users and your advertisements won't be blocked. I just won't read wired if wired won't *fix* it's advertising to be less abusive to me.

  171. Changing the game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They say they'll only serve "polite" ads. What that means is anybody's guess, but popover autoplay videos, ridiculous bloat on mobile, and driveby Russian keyloggers are all rude, so sure, why not? I'll disable my adblocker on Wired to give them the benefit of the doubt. The industry needs to change, it needs to make *this* change, so let's participate in the experiment. ..but if my security software makes *one* peep, you're outta here, Wired.

  172. What do the advertisers propose users do? by bingoUV · · Score: 1

    Should users just get their own systems infected because of the advertisements?

    --
    Bingo Dictionary - Pragmatist, n. A myopic idealist.
  173. I want to pay but... by jemmyw · · Score: 1

    I don't want to see ads ever. If I visited a site like wired every day then I could see myself paying, but I don't, I only ever follow the occasional link there. Some kind of multi-site micropayment service might work quite well - something like a spotify subscription where the money from my subscription is distributed to the content provider that I visit, proportional to the number of visits. Not perfect but if one provider ducks behind a paywall I just stop visiting, if they all disappeared then I'd probably pay.

  174. $1 wk? by damnitalready · · Score: 1

    $52/yr? is that what a user earns them in ad revenue?

  175. Wired is one of the offenders by DQKennard · · Score: 1

    I whitelist some sites, if their ads aren't too overwhelming or intrusive. Wired.com isn't one of those.

  176. Note to Wired by kattisch · · Score: 1

    If you had tasteful ads, they wouldn't be blocked. Get tasteful ads and this will not be an issue. There problem solved!

  177. 80% Isn't Enough? by partofthepuzzle · · Score: 1

    Let's see how they do when they lose a lot of those 20%...

  178. Stop being abusive... by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

    The amount of money they are asking for is way out of line. The amount of revenue that they get from ads from one user is probably around $1/YEAR, not $1/week. And the ads are far too intrusive.

    Give me a site with quiet ads - no Flash, no auto-play video, no sound, no pop-overs, no interstitials - and I'll think about unblocking it. Until then, bye-bye.

  179. Download but don't show ads by kmoser · · Score: 1

    Don't ad blockers have a mode whereby they download the ad (so the advertiser considers it as having been served) but doesn't show it to the user, thereby killing two birds with one stone: the server thinks the ad has been served, but the viewer never sees the ad.

  180. Malware With Ads by kenwd0elq · · Score: 1

    Wasn't it Forbes that required users to disable their ad-blockers, and then served up ads laced with malware? Wired isn't worth paying for (I did for years, but it's just old and tired now) and it's ESPECIALLY not worth the risk of having my PC hacked.

  181. Why the high price? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can buy a subscription to Wired in print for $20/yr -- which includes access to the tablet version. Why would anyone choose to pay $52/yr for just the online articles, when they could get the tablet version for less than half that amount, and just recycle or donate the paper magazines if they don't want them? Silly. I think Wired will have to rethink this very soon.

  182. WIRED you are dead to me.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WIRED you are dead to me.... "we will keep the ads as “polite” as we can" my ass....

  183. $1 a week? What a ripoff! by carbonates · · Score: 1

    Why would I pay $1 per week, $52 per year, when I can get the print version delivered to my home (with only printed ads) for about $12 a year? Currently Wired is offering 6 issues for $5.

  184. Forbes too by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    They asked me to unblock their advertisements, can click to go to site here - then it took me right back to the same page, same error... repeat. Close tab.

  185. Wired: Ad blockers by user+no.+590291 · · Score: 1

    Tired: Ad blocker blockers

  186. Re:We need to understand the answer to your questi by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    Why do/did they think they can just outsource their ads for their online product?

    Because directly courting advertisers and vetting every ad adds overhead to a process which already isn't that profitable.

    Perhaps they shouldn't be in business then. Is it our responsibility to make certain that Wired or Forbes stay afloat? Additionally, outsourcing the product makes the process more flexible; ads can be quickly tested and swapped out for better performing adds.

    Which of course, is a whole hellava big part of the problem. You know, a lot of us would just be happy if they didn't infect our computers with malware. Or do they have to do that too?

    I'm sure there are other benefits to outsourcing ads too.

    Like no need for an advertising department?

    I'm not defending online advertising practices. I'm just saying that there's a good reason that things evolved into the current state of affairs. It's hard to find a solution without really understanding the problem.

    The problem stated in it's simplest terms is that the amount of advertising, and it's intrusion and interacting with itself and the malware that accepting the advertising puts on your computer has reached the point where not only geeks, but normal people are installing it.

    To make it even shorter, present day webertising is killing itself.

    Understanding the problem means being able to answer the question you posed without simply dismissing Wired and the likes as idiots.

    I'll dismiss them as unable to think beyond the status quo. They are telling me that in order to see their content, I must accept malware onto my computer. It's my computer, and I'll not accept that any more than some stranger knocking on my door and telling me I have to share my wife with him or else he'll go away.

    Answers are no, and no. I keep my computer and my wife's integrity, and the guy at the door doesn't get laid, and I don't see any of Wired's content. Or the ads.

    The answer in concept is simple. They need to serve their advertisements up in a way that I will consent to watch them. If they cannot place ads any other way than serving them up with a side of malware, and tracking, andspending more time and data for the ads, than the content - well goodbye Wired, not my problem.

    As I've noted before, the web is terribly terribly broken. Ad's have broken it, and if as I think you are suggesting, there is no fix - it must be exactly like it is now - the future isn't too bright for places like Forbes, wired, and the whole internet.

    --
    The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  187. How do they even know? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry for this naive comment but...How does Wired even know which ads my browser is choosing not to display? Is this not a client-side phenomenon?
    I'm distressed at how much info many browsers provide... Do they really announce "HEY WEBSITE I'M RUNNING ADBLOCK!"

  188. Re:Coren22 "assburger defective" nukes himself by SharpFang · · Score: 1

    STILL failing to address the issue of addresses not in the Hosts file.
    STILL lacking basic reading comprehension.
    And calling OTHERS 'cretin' on top of that.
    So pathetic.

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  189. They are responsible by cwsumner · · Score: 1

    It's not a question of whether to have adds. It's that the site owners are selling add space without checking what they are letting on their website. It is their website and they are reponsible for what shows there. Selling a link and saying it is not their fault is not enough, when we are getting abusive or even malicious adds.

    Blocking adds is our right, blocking adblockers is their right. But it's better to find a way to exclude malicious and dangerous adds.

    In short, clean up your websites or we will clean them for you. If you block us then nobody gets anything.

    And I am willing to subscribe to some sites I like, as long as the cost is not too high. This whole thing started because there was not convenient way to pay, but there is now.

  190. Unusable Internet by whipnet · · Score: 1

    I find the internet almost unusable when I have to browse without NoScript or some kind of ad blocker. It's appalling for someone who came from the Arpanet days. *

  191. Just like Forbes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I go to their sites a handful of times per year, so don't let the doorknob hit you on the ass on yer way out...

  192. I only blocked them when they got annoying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Advertisers want your attention, I am not interested in what they are advertising. Frequently the advertisers that caused me to work out how to block them were selling garbage or were little better than scammers. Vibrating adverts, autoplay video adverts, flashing adverts. Perhaps if the advertisers or the web sites hosting them had blocked the bad behavior they wouldn't find themselves in this position now. I guess I will try unblocking sites I really want to be on, if they block me for blocking their irritating adverts. But if the adverts prevent the page from loading or are too distracting then I will happily say goodbye.

  193. 'Bye Felicia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's the thing. I paid for five years in advance for a monthly subscription up front for the print version of Wired, a magazine I truly loved to read. Then all of a sudden, the magazine turned into worthless crap. Almost overnight, it went from something relevant to pages and pages of ads (which I do understand support the cost of the magazine) and articles that are totally vapid and worthless puff pieces. So now, when my copy of Wired magazine arrives in the mail every month, I just leave it on a visitor's table in the lobby, for someone else to read.

  194. Wired ad blocking. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm happy to allow ads. Websites need to be funded somehow. You can't expect content for nothing and it sure beats subscribing.
    I'm sure Wired readers don't work for nothing. Wired and others provide a service I'm interested in, only fair to pay them with ads.
    Stop being arseholes.

  195. Posting just to move past 666 by JimMcc · · Score: 1

    I was amused to note that the number of comments on this article was 666. It's intriguing that an article about the spawn of the devil, i.e. ads, should have 666 comments. So to prevent the devil gaining strength and ensuring ads for everyone, I offer this post to bring the number up to 667.

    Your welcome.

  196. Good Bye Wired You Liers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ads are already shown on their site and can be shown on their site. Pop up ads are something else and loading content from known bad sources is my right to block.

  197. e-mail address to let them know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    reprints@condenast.com
    submit@wired.com
    wiredlabs@wired.com
    mail@wired.com
    press@WIRED.com

  198. i'll leave this here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    javascript:document.getElementById('veil').setAttribute("display", "none")

    run when page loads on wired.com breaks their stupid overlay.