Slashdot Mirror


Apple Patents a Way To Keep People From Filming At Concerts and Movie Theaters (qz.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Apple has patented a system that prohibits smartphone users from taking photos and videos at concerts, movie theaters and other events where people tend to ignore such restrictions. The patent has been award to Apple today and was first spotted by Patently Apple. QZ reports: "It outlines a system which would allow venues to use an infrared emitter to remotely disable the camera function on smartphones. According to the patent, infrared beams could be picked up by the camera, and interpreted by the smartphone as a command to block the user from taking any photos or videos of whatever they're seeing. The patent also outlines ways that infrared blasters could actually improve someone's experience at a venue. For example, the beams could be used to send information to museum-goers by pointing a smartphone camera at a blaster placed next to a piece of art." The report also mentions that the patent could in theory be used to help police limit smartphone filming of acts of brutality, or help a government shut off filming in certain locations. Last week, SlashGear reported that Alicia Keys is the latest musician to ban cellphones at her events.

159 of 266 comments (clear)

  1. Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now the cops can abuse people and you can't film them doing it!

    1. Re:Great! by fyngyrz · · Score: 2

      Exactly. The entire premise of this is control of people. Time to block the IR port, kids.

      I don't envy younger people; the world is turning into a liberties hellhole on them.

      --
      I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
    2. Re:Great! by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      How does blocking the IR port help me use the device and software I paid for?

    3. Re:Great! by tripleevenfall · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not the person receiving the abuse who films it.

    4. Re:Great! by umghhh · · Score: 5, Informative

      They will not notice it if they have not experienced anything else in their whole conscious life. I see it with my fellow Germans that live in the West and of whom none saw communism in action. They do not even see a point of protecting privacy after all if you did not do anything wrong you do not have to be afraid I was told. I was also asked if there i anything that I wold be afraid, These are the same people who just cannot believe that anybody in local media or politics can lie to them. Hey they are even majority here! People that complain are dangerous as we know. Paranoid people are too to be suspected of wrongdoing. Interesting world - only exceptional cases will doubt and object. They are then easy to handle. The only difference between now and the older times is that there is no hardly a place that is not a hellhole where one can find a refuge.

    5. Re:Great! by amicusNYCL · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, assuming you're using an Apple iPhone(tm) with IR technology that responds to random outside commands, and the police are using an Apple iPhone Deactivator(tm) to remotely control your phone, then yes you won't be able to record them doing that. But, don't worry Apple fan, people with other phones who didn't want to pay royalties to Apple for the privilege of having their phones remotely controlled by random outside commands will still be able to film your beatdown.

      --
      "Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
    6. Re:Great! by I75BJC · · Score: 1

      Oh, really? This will cause a resurgence of Camcorders (albeit, smaller, easily disguised and ultra portable). Any digital camera can record video (for a limited number of minutes according to the BestBuy camera guy). Some dash cams can be turned around, carried, etc., etc. Think "old school" and you will be able to do this easily.

    7. Re:Great! by unrtst · · Score: 2

      It's not the person receiving the abuse who films it.

      Rather than those filming being able to capture the officer telling them to turn it off, trying to block it, etc... they'll just flash their IR thingy, then they can abuse and smash all they want without a record (theoretically).

    8. Re:Great! by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      What if the camera is the IR port? Mission accomplished for them either way you go.

      Even if we accept the premise that this is a problem that could use solving (which I'm actually open to), there's no good way to do so that I can see.

      If we allow our devices to be susceptible to "camera jammers" (which is what these really are), we would, of course, want to make sure that the camera jammers were regulated. We might require that each be registered, program the camera to ignore any unregistered ones, and log an identifier for each one it encounters so that any abuses can be traced back to the owner. But even then, it's trivial to find examples that prove just how insufficient that approach would be. For instance, if these sorts of camera jammers were in common use at public events back in 2008 in order to protect copyrights, we'd have no footage of the Don't Taze Me Bro! event, despite the fact that nothing copyrighted was in the video.

      Which is to say, we CAN'T allow anyone to unilaterally jam recording without causing some major problems. Moreover, just because a recording contains copyrighted content does not mean that it's infringing, which is what they're ostensibly trying to stop. After all, "fair use" is still a thing. So, what about approaching it from the flipside?

      Rather than allowing someone to jam your camera, we might consider having the camera self-report itself via a short-range beacon when it's recording, that way it can be located and identified by copyright holders at venues where recording is prohibited. But that doesn't work either, since the people making those sorts of recordings at theaters will simply remove the transmitter or use a device that lacks them, and we can easily imagine scenarios (e.g. police brutality) where a broadcast of that sort would put the person behind the camera at mortal risk of being discovered by people who want to ensure that their video never sees the light of day.

      No matter how you cut it, the only way to make this work is to involve humans after the fact, since preventing recording will prevent fair use, while reporting recordings will breach the privacy of the person doing the recording.

    9. Re:Great! by pete6677 · · Score: 1

      The "don't taze me bro" got exactly what he was looking for: attention. He made damn sure someone was there to record it.

    10. Re:Great! by hawguy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      B does not solve the problem. Analyzing the video stream for the do-not-film IR signal is non-trivial; it will require CPU cycles (thus, energy) to do this, and that means that this "feature" will make your battery last not as long as it otherwise would when you are using your camera.

      This is a real shame, because the actual solution to the problem is people not taking their cameras into the movie theater, or those Yonder things...

      This is part of the camera itself, so likely won't use any more battery than the focus, whitebalance, brightness, face detection and other features your camera is already doing with the camera feed.

    11. Re:Great! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      The "deactivator" (kill switch) will be mandated on all phones sold in the US. And rather than use infrared the signal will come from the cell tower.

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    12. Re:Great! by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Good luck regulating IR camera jammers, when any idiot with an Arduino or similar can make an appropriate signal modulator for whatever IR lamps you have on hand. $1M says the necessary source code and hardware plans will be available online within months, maybe days, of whatever legislative or back room deal mandates such jam-ability. Not to mention the worst abusers would likely be police, factory farms, etc. Anyone who wants to make it more difficult to capture a video record of their crimes.

      The recording beacon idea would at least be less open to abuse by the powerful - police,etc can generally already spot most people filming them anyway. But it would only be able to reveal the casual/incompetent filmers. Stick your device in a Faraday cage, or just unplug/cut the antenna, and it goes silent again. Really only poses a problem for those trying to live-stream video, and only if the beacon uses the same antenna used for network access.

      --
      --- Most topics have many sides worth arguing, allow me to take one opposite you.
    13. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's a group of them who are partly responsible for it. Look at these university safe-space failure cases who are literally begging the government to restrict their rights. Of course they're demanding for OTHER people's rights to be restricted, not realizing how it will turn out for them in reality.

    14. Re:Great! by deniable · · Score: 1

      B is a thin film of (mostly, except for certain published wavelengths) transparent plastic. How does it use battery?

    15. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Remember
      Constitution is a code word for racist
      If you talk about individual liberty you must be a terrorist.
      1st amendment = hate speech
      Property rights = oppress the poor.

    16. Re:Great! by Zaelath · · Score: 1

      Analyzing the video stream for the do-not-film IR signal is non-trivial

      What analysis? He's talking about an IR filter over the lens, which is a hardware solution requiring no CPU cycles at all.

      While the sensor can, apparently, detect IR, perhaps even record it, you don't see it in the playback so it really doesn't matter if that spectrum is blocked entirely from the camera.

    17. Re:Great! by fnj · · Score: 1

      So what. It's a market opportunity. Make a plain motion/still camera/microphone in the same convenient form factor as a smartphone, but without this horseshit built into it. And definitely no cell receiver. Actually, they already have tons of them, just not in the same form factor.

      You can't stop people recording you, nazis. Give it up. Any ordinary citizen nowadays can equip himself with technology far beyond what the CIA, KGB, Gestapo, and Stasi had in their heyday. This always makes me think of the deranged asshole Frank Booth in Blue Velvet: "Don't you fucking look at me!" Yeah, whatever, Frankie baby.

    18. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They will not notice it if they have not experienced anything else in their whole conscious life. I see it with my fellow Germans that live in the West and of whom none saw communism in action. They do not even see a point of protecting privacy after all if you did not do anything wrong you do not have to be afraid I was told. I was also asked if there i anything that I wold be afraid, These are the same people who just cannot believe that anybody in local media or politics can lie to them.
      Hey they are even majority here! People that complain are dangerous as we know. Paranoid people are too to be suspected of wrongdoing. Interesting world - only exceptional cases will doubt and object. They are then easy to handle. The only difference between now and the older times is that there is no hardly a place that is not a hellhole where one can find a refuge.

      These kind of people scare me much more than terrorists. They dream of a politically correct worldwide dictatorship.

    19. Re:Great! by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

      It helps authorities disable your camera so you can't record them kicking your arse onto an encrypted device and/or up to the iCloud....

      Maybe. But it is pretty clear that all cell phone (and maybe camera) manufacturers will be forced by the government to license this technology from Apple, and I expect the final version will not work with a separate IR sensor, it will just use the camera lens to capture the "DO NOT FILM" command and act on it. Of course you could cover up the lens, but that defeats the device too. I doubt if you can effectively block the signal that disables the camera and still have enough light to film the cops beating you or your family.

      --
      I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
    20. Re:Great! by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      The "deactivator" (kill switch) will be mandated on all phones sold in the US. And rather than use infrared the signal will come from the cell tower.

      No, it won't. The mere fact that it could be used to stop filming of police brutality means it would never fly. At best what would happen is some group like members of the MPAA could apply industry pressure by requiring that all apps that play their content must support such a device, but that would hurt their sales more than anything, because I guarantee you that the Chinese smartphone companies wouldn't give a shit, and Samsung likely wouldn't either.

      Besides, as mentioned earlier, a simple IR lens filter would defeat this. You can file this invention in the "worthless to everybody" bin, because everybody that *might* benefit from it probably won't even bother with it.

      If I were to guess, I would say that this is probably just intended for Apple preventing their own fans from taking videos at Apple press events.

    21. Re:Great! by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      I take my smart phone into every cinema I enter. Don't like it, want the phone, fuck off, refund the ticket, see you latter, plenty of other things to do, I mean there is a shit ton of other things to do. Same for concerts, what to be dicks, fine, perform to empty venues, who gives a crap. Want to be a drone, forced to jump when commanded, forced to bend over when demanded or are you just comfortable with telling corporate arse holes to fuck off and simple walk away with your freedom and independence and just doing something else.

      You reckon the pseudo celebrities would have woken up to their scam being over, that they can control and manipulate people with saturation marketing. They are trying to control something people are giving less and less of a fuck about.

      --
      Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
    22. Re: Great! by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      An IR filter would defeat the (possibly) legitimate use of this, ie. preventing filming of concerts.

      OTOH is probably won't help with the scary part about Police/Government preventing you from recording them. Most people don't plan ahead for that.

      --
      No sig today...
    23. Re:Great! by Nchantim · · Score: 1

      It helps authorities disable your camera so you can't record them kicking your arse onto an encrypted device and/or up to the iCloud....

      Maybe. But it is pretty clear that all cell phone (and maybe camera) manufacturers will be forced by the government to license this technology from Apple, and I expect the final version will not work with a separate IR sensor, it will just use the camera lens to capture the "DO NOT FILM" command and act on it. Of course you could cover up the lens, but that defeats the device too. I doubt if you can effectively block the signal that disables the camera and still have enough light to film the cops beating you or your family.

      Well, most digital cameras and phone cameras currently have a filter to BLOCK IR light. Allowing IR to pass will affect the color balance of photos. Still, you could put your own filter (or "hot mirror" which reflects IR light rather than absorbing it) over your phone camera lens.

    24. Re:Great! by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      B is problematic as others have pointed out here.

      The simple solution is A: don't buy Apple products. They've proven over and over that they do not act in the customer's interest, so the only rational solution is to not be their customer.

      The same goes with Windows, exemplified by their actions with Windows 10.

      At least with an Android device, you can load up an alternative firmware like CyanogenMod which doesn't have this crap.

    25. Re:Great! by macs4all · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It helps authorities disable your camera so you can't record them kicking your arse onto an encrypted device and/or up to the iCloud....

      Maybe. But it is pretty clear that all cell phone (and maybe camera) manufacturers will be forced by the government to license this technology from Apple, and I expect the final version will not work with a separate IR sensor, it will just use the camera lens to capture the "DO NOT FILM" command and act on it. Of course you could cover up the lens, but that defeats the device too. I doubt if you can effectively block the signal that disables the camera and still have enough light to film the cops beating you or your family.

      Hmmm. The IR thingy will be, um, IR. That is to say, outside of the visible light spectrum (or at least very close to the edge of visibility).

      Howabout a little IR filter that blocks the IR and lets visible light through. Many surveillance cams already have such a thing to cut down on daylight "washout" from extraneous IR from sunlight.

      By the way, there was some noise on Slashdot a couple of years ago about a very similar Apple patent. That one never went anywhere, either.

      Sometimes I think Apple patents things they DON'T want to see developed, with absolutely no intention of actually developing the ideas themselves, either.

    26. Re:Great! by macs4all · · Score: 1

      It helps authorities disable your camera so you can't record them kicking your arse onto an encrypted device and/or up to the iCloud....

      Maybe. But it is pretty clear that all cell phone (and maybe camera) manufacturers will be forced by the government to license this technology from Apple, and I expect the final version will not work with a separate IR sensor, it will just use the camera lens to capture the "DO NOT FILM" command and act on it. Of course you could cover up the lens, but that defeats the device too. I doubt if you can effectively block the signal that disables the camera and still have enough light to film the cops beating you or your family.

      Well, most digital cameras and phone cameras currently have a filter to BLOCK IR light. Allowing IR to pass will affect the color balance of photos. Still, you could put your own filter (or "hot mirror" which reflects IR light rather than absorbing it) over your phone camera lens.

      Also, this doesn't affect the billions of cameras and camera-containing devices that don't have software to interpret the "beacon's 'barcode' ". They will all still happily shoot-away.

    27. Re:Great! by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Yeah liberalism really guards civil rights, right?

    28. Re:Great! by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      The "deactivator" (kill switch) will be mandated on all phones sold in the US.

      And where did you get that nugget of information? Or are you just working on your George Orwell fan fiction?

      And rather than use infrared the signal will come from the cell tower.

      So, in other words, you're describing a situation that has nothing to do with Apple's patent. Got it.

      --
      "Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
    29. Re:Great! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      No, I don't care about the patent per se, I am simply describing a different way a camera can be deactivated. And as far as being mandated (like the way they crippled the mini-disc, for example), it might have a better chance than the attempt to impose the crypto bakdoors and internet "kill switch". If you assume the worst, especially when based on precedence, you won't be disappointed, and will rarely be surprised.

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    30. Re:Great! by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

      Well, most digital cameras and phone cameras currently have a filter to BLOCK IR light.

      That is not my experience at all. In fact I've yet to find a digital camera or phone that I couldn't point at an IR source such as a TV remote and actually see the IR light being sent out. I use this little trick all the time to determine if faults with an IR remote lie with the remote or with the receiver.

      --
      I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
    31. Re:Great! by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      It helps authorities disable your camera so you can't record them kicking your arse onto an encrypted device and/or up to the iCloud....

      Maybe. But it is pretty clear that all cell phone (and maybe camera) manufacturers will be forced by the government to license this technology from Apple, and I expect the final version will not work with a separate IR sensor, it will just use the camera lens to capture the "DO NOT FILM" command and act on it. Of course you could cover up the lens, but that defeats the device too. I doubt if you can effectively block the signal that disables the camera and still have enough light to film the cops beating you or your family.

      just like my old media center PC hooked up via analog audio/video to the cable box is blocked from recording stuff on cable for timeshifting because the cable company puts some analog "do not copy" signal onto every channel all the time, so i have to subscribe to their DVR service.

      --
      Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
    32. Re:Great! by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Well, most digital cameras and phone cameras currently have a filter to BLOCK IR light.

      That is not my experience at all. In fact I've yet to find a digital camera or phone that I couldn't point at an IR source such as a TV remote and actually see the IR light being sent out. I use this little trick all the time to determine if faults with an IR remote lie with the remote or with the receiver.

      You're replying to the GP's comment, not mine. I agree with what you are saying about IR filters now. I use the same trick, and for the same reason.

    33. Re:Great! by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      You have a good point, but the part you totally missed out, either intentionally or not, is that we saw this same stuff under the Republican Bush administration.

      Therefore, you're going to get more of the same if you vote either for Republicans or Democrats.

    34. Re: Great! by Bartles · · Score: 1

      Actually we didn't see anything like what we see now. The only difference the was that Democrats marched on Washington every time they perceived some sort of abuse.

    35. Re:Great! by davros74 · · Score: 1

      So... the camera will be disabled in Airplane mode then?

    36. Re:Great! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      They could make it that way, couldn't they? The airlines would probably like that.

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    37. Re:Great! by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Analyzing the video stream for the do-not-film IR signal is non-trivial; i

      ... so you only do this analysis in the code block that starts the camera actually recording. If there is anything using the whole video stream (rather than, for example, doing light level checks by reading a couple of dozen pixels every second), then yes, it will be s big battery drain.

      All of which worries me not - I've never owned an Apple phone, and having used their computers, I probably never will do. And I've got a couple of smartphone-like devices with recording capabilities that definitely do not have this feature. So, Apple's patenting doesn't worry me.

      --
      Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
    38. Re:Great! by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

      I now no what my next product to market is. It's a new optical filter that will cover the iPhone's camera that has a sharp IR blocking filter so that the IR light emitted from the beams won't be detected by the phones camera but will let visible light pass through for recording. Just think of all of the money Apple spent on developing their "no record" patent and all it will take is a $1 filter to circumvent it. I guess it doesn't matter when you have all the money in the world.

      Or just encourage people to stop buying products that are intended to malfunction at the will of others.

      Sometimes its better to do the right thing instead of thinking about how to make money from the wrong.

    39. Re:Great! by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Don't like it, want the phone, fuck off, refund the ticket,

      Better be careful reading the Ts & Cs of the concert before you buy tickets then. If it says - even in the smallest of print on page 753 of the Ts & Cs - that "recording devices will not be allowed into the auditorium" (or however they phrase it), then that's it - there are no grounds for you to claim a refund. The other party to the contract may, out of "goodwill" choose to give you a refund, but they don't have to. They would have perfect right to tell you to fuck off too.

      (What is this thing about recording gigs? OK, it's 20+ years since I went to a gig, but that's no reason to not remember it. Have they started putting lead into the water again?)

      --
      Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
    40. Re:Great! by boarder8925 · · Score: 1

      Sometimes I think Apple patents things they DON'T want to see developed, with absolutely no intention of actually developing the ideas themselves, either.

      God, I fucking hope so. Especially in this instance. The probability of abuse of this technology is so damn high, it's a certainty.

  2. Black electricians tape by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    placed strategically over that sensor.

    Thank you very much.

    1. Re:Black electricians tape by devjoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The intent was that they would be picked up by the camera, making this option prevent using the camera at all. But you have exactly the right idea; people will use a film that filters out that IR frequency while being transparent to visible light.

    2. Re: Black electricians tape by hviezda14 · · Score: 2

      On the other hand, I would like to buy one and shut down cameras on seesights spots. Pure fun! [some evil smiley]

    3. Re: Black electricians tape by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      ... and wait for the idiotic DRM take-downs / lawsuits for a selling an IR lens since it "facilities copyright infringement".

      You know it will happen.

      Almost as bad as the Keurig Freedom ring

      --
      I'll be extremely glad when these 2 people are dead ...
      * [x] Gary Kildall for his retarded 8.3 filenames in CP/M, which MS-DOS blinding copied without thinking, and
      * [ ] Brendan Eich for inflicting his fucked up Javashit language on the rest of the (HTML) world
      1 down, 1 more to go!

    4. Re:Black electricians tape by AaronW · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The camera is the sensor since cameras typically see near infra-red just fine. A near infra-red filter in front of the camera, however, would work.

      --
      This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal.
    5. Re:Black electricians tape by Bartles · · Score: 1

      How are you going to film the concert through a piece of black tape?

    6. Re:Black electricians tape by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

      My workaround is already in place, that is not buying Apple products.

    7. Re:Black electricians tape by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Perfect for black metal shows!

      (As if anyone would want to record one, anyway)

      --
      Eat the rich.
    8. Re: Black electricians tape by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      ... and wait for the idiotic DRM take-downs / lawsuits for a selling an IR lens since it "facilities copyright infringement".

      You know it will happen.

      Yeah, in the same way that there was a door-to-door search of every house in the world in 1982, when the confiscated every VHA and BetaMax video recorder in the world.

      Oh, hang on, tat didn't happen, not because the copyright agencies didn't want to do it, but because they went to court with a suit, it was tried, and they lost. The grounds on which they lost were largely, that there were "significant non-infringing (on copyright) uses of the technologies" (paraphrased).

      Visual passing & IR-blocking, and Visual-blocking & IR-passing filters have been made in increasing numbers since (approximately) the 1880s for laboratory use, astronomical use, special effects photography, as elements of chemical analysis tools ... and they're just the non-infringing uses that I've personally used them for.

      --
      Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
  3. Fascinating... by _xeno_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's a really interesting idea from Apple.

    Because last I checked, the iPhone camera since the iPhone 4 has an IR filter on it and can't see IR light. Found this out at the Science Museum when there was a display of the visible spectrum and it told you to take out your phone and look at it via the camera.

    Surprise! iPhones can't see the IR lights, but other phone cameras could.

    --
    You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
    1. Re:Fascinating... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are focusing to narrowly.

      Stop focusing on the FEATURE, start focusing on the INTENT.

      The INTENT is to let third parties disable your phone when desired.

    2. Re:Fascinating... by iotaborg · · Score: 1

      Companies like Apple patent things left and right, regardless of whether they would actually use the ideas or not.

    3. Re:Fascinating... by safetyinnumbers · · Score: 2

      And wouldn't this mean that Apple would vigorously prevent Android phones from having this 'feature'?

    4. Re:Fascinating... by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Point your television remote at your iPhone camera and press a button. See that little blinking Led? That's Infrared. The filter REDUCES the amount of IR getting to the sensor, but doesn't block it completely.

      So in order to implement this "anti-recording" feature, the phone will need programming updates in order to detect the particular prevention signal, and then prevent the user from activating the camera. Of course, this won't work on older phones that no longer have updates, or dedicated cameras, or anything else that wasn't specifically programmed to look for this signal. What a complete waste of time.

    5. Re:Fascinating... by Solandri · · Score: 1

      Nearly all cameras have IR and UV filters. Without them, camera sensors respond to IR and UV light, and the colors in your photos end up looking different than they do to the eye. The efficacy and cut-off frequency depends on the filter and manufacturer, but it's not uncommon for far-IR to be blocked while near-IR is let through.

      Anyway, this reminds me of the pattern of circles used on bank notes to prevent you from counterfeiting by simply putting currency on a color photocopier. Difference being this could be seriously abused by both governments and venues to prohibit camera use in areas where it is legally allowed. Like photographing a building designed by a famous architect. I'm hoping that's why Apple (who for all their faults is usually pretty end-user-friendly) is patenting it - to prevent someone else from developing and implementing the idea.

    6. Re:Fascinating... by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      No, it means Apple lobbyists will ensure that the law will be changed to make this technology mandatory, forcing other vendors to license the patent.

    7. Re:Fascinating... by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Point your television remote at your iPhone camera and press a button. See that little blinking Led?

      No. Tried it with 3 remotes on my iPhone 6, nothing. Naturally having a camera that picks up light that you can't see results in less true-to-life photos which is why it is filtered.

    8. Re:Fascinating... by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      It's filtered, with a very strong filter compared to the majority of cameras. You can see IR if you look closely enough, but if you compare it to an unfiltered camera, the amount of IR that comes through is absolutely minuscule.

      To the point where in the brightly lit Museum of Science display, the IR LEDs in their "this is the visible spectrum" display were invisible on the iPhone.

      --
      You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
    9. Re:Fascinating... by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      That's a really interesting idea from Apple.

      And yet, they completely missed the opportunity to shut off the phone ringer while they were at it.

    10. Re:Fascinating... by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Because last I checked, the iPhone camera since the iPhone 4 has an IR filter on it and can't see IR light.

      The iPhone camera is not really good at taking pictures in low light conditions, so it may not be the device they're trying to block.

    11. Re:Fascinating... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Maybe they are planing on adding an IR sensor for other reasons, like auto-focus. A lot of Android phones are using IR laser diodes for extremely fast focusing now.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    12. Re:Fascinating... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Apple didn't patent an intent. Apple patented a potential feature, which they might or might not implement, and if they did implement it we don't know if they'd do it on all their phones.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    13. Re:Fascinating... by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Yes definitely some cameras do but many don't.

  4. Re:Of course, nothing prevents the owner from by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Even if the sensor is embedded into the camera itself (which it would be), you just need a filter in front of the lens that will not pass i/r as it is not usable light for the CCD anyway.

  5. "Some Guys Give You a Wicked Beating" (tm) system by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

    It's called the "Some Guys Give You a Wicked Beating" (tm) reactionary system.

    --
    SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
  6. Didn't we do this once? by thevirtualcat · · Score: 1

    Didn't we do this with stoplights at some point?

    Didn't they have to pass laws banning normal people from having the devices that changed the lights?

    I mean, how hard would it be to modify one of these to send out the camera-disabling signal?
    https://www.adafruit.com/produ...

    1. Re:Didn't we do this once? by thevirtualcat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Also, infrared cut filters for SLRs are $20 on Amazon. I suspect it won't take long for someone to make one that fits discretely over a phone camera lens (perhaps as part of a phone case) that blocks the relevant wavelengths.

    2. Re:Didn't we do this once? by samwichse · · Score: 1

      Why not just a sticker?

  7. iStop? AppleBlock? by the_skywise · · Score: 1

    AppleSafe?

  8. Re:Of course, nothing prevents the owner from by guruevi · · Score: 1

    I don't know of any filter that blocks out the entire infrared spectrum (which does include a portion of nearly visible light - you can see a dim flicker in some remote controls in the dark). Most filters reduce it greatly but still allow some to pass through. You can test this by pointing an IR emitter at a CCD sensor and then placing the filter in front - reduced but still visible.

    --
    Custom electronics and digital signage for your business: www.evcircuits.com
  9. Re:Of course, nothing prevents the owner from by kheldan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You're misunderstanding; it won't be a separate sensor, it'll be the camera itself, picking up a pattern transmitted by IR emitters in the area, and interpreted from the cameras' data stream. You'd have to cover the camera itself.

    Naturally this would be leveraged and abused by law enforcement all over the world. This is an example of technology that needs to be outlawed. Apple is crossing a line if they actually incorporate this technology into their products, especially if they do not provide an immutable way for the owner of the phone to disable the function.

    If concert promoters want to prevent filming or photographing of concerts then they just need to tell people to leave their phones in their cars or at home and confiscate them if they're smuggled in, returning them after the concert.

    --
    Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
  10. That's nothing... by the_skywise · · Score: 1

    How hard would it be to put on each police car?

  11. Apple's new motto: We own what we sell you. by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

    I buy it, I own, I do what I want with it unless that breaks a law.

    Making a device that lets other, non-governmental people stop me from using it is not a service, it's a theft.

    --
    excitingthingstodo.blogspot.com
    1. Re:Apple's new motto: We own what we sell you. by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

      Let's try that bit of stupidity you presented in the worst case scenarios:

      If you don't like the arsenic and mercury in your water, don't buy it. And if you don't like slavery, don't buy a human being.

      Sorry, but your understanding of how capitalism works fails. It has to obey laws, and that includes no deception. Claiming you are 'selling' something means you got no power over. You can't stop me from opening it up, and you can't give anyone else control over it.

      This is at heart an evil product, designed to let corrupt governments and businesses unduly interfere with your property. I own it, I have rights to it. They want to stop me from breaking the law with it, they have to prove a law was broken - and they have to do it AFTERWARDS, they can't stop it before.

      --
      excitingthingstodo.blogspot.com
    2. Re:Apple's new motto: We own what we sell you. by es330td · · Score: 1

      Making a device that lets other, non-governmental people stop me from using it is not a service, it's a theft.

      Not if you agree to those terms. If the terms of attending a concert are "no recording, filming or photography" then you agree to be stopped by attending the concert. Don't like those terms? Don't go.

  12. Let me be the first by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let me be the first to say, "FUCK YOU!" to any artist that does this.

    I'll never attend your concert or buy your music. I'll go out of my way to pirate it if I like it, but you'll never get a fucking dime from me.

    --
    Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
    1. Re:Let me be the first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Good, you're annoying.

  13. Re:Of course, nothing prevents the owner from by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

    Yes. It's like a QR code that you can't see

  14. Other cameras? by Ann+O'Nymous-Coward · · Score: 1

    Would this work with standalone digital cameras?

    How about analog film cameras? I know airport scanners can affect high-ISO film, but I don't if those scanners user IR or some other wavelength.

  15. The feature consumers have been waiting for by MrLint · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Its good to know that Apple is spending their R&D effort toward making enhancements that the customers want; as opposed to the features the products wants.

    And yes I said exactly what I meant.

  16. That's funny by bettodavis · · Score: 2

    They assume I want to buy a crippled phone that can be disabled remotely by someone that isn't me.

    This is a "just stick, no carrot" kind of deal. Thanks but no thanks.

  17. Will wonders never cease.. by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

    Apple Patents a Way To Keep People From Filming At Concerts and Movie Theaters

    I'm not sure but this may be the first time I've ever seen Slashdot properly headline a story about patents. Usually the headline would be something like this:

    "Apple Patents Keeping People From Filming At Concerts and Movie Theaters" ... which would then result in two hundred comments of people bringing up irrelevant examples of other approaches to dealing with the problem citing 'prior art' along with heaps of moaning about how broadly general the patent they didn't read is.

    So was this an accident? I mean, the inflammatory clickbait headline does generate more revenue...

    --

    "I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)

  18. Use the same tech to rob banks and other places by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Use the same tech to rob banks and other places maybe even tolls and red light cams.

    1. Re:Use the same tech to rob banks and other places by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      I'm not a security professional or anything, but I'm pretty sure that banks don't have a bunch of iPhones on the walls taking security footage.

      --
      "Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
  19. Are we ALL children? by OfficeLackey · · Score: 2

    Can we not do anything for ourselves anymore. Must every creation or augmentation be about controlling or "protecting" us or protecting someone else from us?!? Within 30 seconds of reading this, I already had a mental list of a dozen ways this could be abused. All of which out-weight any possible value this could add to anyone. Is their nothing left in our lives that we can exert some modicum of control over? What's next? Must my kitchen utensils be internet enabled so they can verify with faties.gov that what I'm attempting to eat is allowed. Come on people....

  20. This tech works both ways. by mark_reh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I could make a device that discreetly clips onto my jacket or on a cap that sends out the IR signal continuously to stop cameras that are pointed at me.

    Or maybe similar devices on my car that sends the signal to stop cameras from recording pictures or video of my car.

    I'll become invisible!

    1. Re:This tech works both ways. by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      The path to 'invisible' remains 'tequila'.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    2. Re:This tech works both ways. by Nexibit · · Score: 1
  21. Re:Of course, nothing prevents the owner from by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I was under the impression IR was used for focusing?

  22. Re:Time to Buy Android by friedmud · · Score: 1

    I'm not advocating this technology... but if you read up on what Alicia Keys is doing at her concerts they are putting phones in little bags that can only be opened after the concert by the staff. That means you can't use your phone _at all_ during a concert.

    Technology like this would allow you to use your phone during the concert... just without being able to take pictures.

  23. What's to stop people from buying non-Apple phones by BitterOak · · Score: 1

    So, if you're in the business of pirating movies by filming them at movie theaters, why would you buy an iPhone? Why not simply by an Android or some other phone or camera? What incentive would there be for companies like Samsung or others to license this technology from Apple in the first place?

    --
    If I can be modded down for being a troll, can I be modded up for being an orc, or a balrog?
  24. Why Stop Now? by zenlessyank · · Score: 1

    You apple heads paid them royally to control you. I suggest you give them more money so they can take more of your rights away. So funny.

  25. Mandatory Upgrades by Aero77 · · Score: 2

    By the time this patent idea is implemented, most of the iphone users will be on an IR-capable device.

  26. How about no? by uolamer · · Score: 1

    Hey why not use this same system to allow the screen and/or sounds to be disabled in movie theaters. How about infrared for police to unlock your phone or decrypt items. Why stop there the device has WiFi and Bluetooth let's use that too. How about I don't buy something designed where someone else can control it with infrared or any other method in contradiction of my wishes.

    --
    s/©//g
  27. Re:Of course, nothing prevents the owner from by iotaborg · · Score: 1

    TV remote filters are the opposite, they block out visible light and allow IR to pass (if they blocked IR, they would fail to work). Developed film can be used as an IR pass through filter.

    For the application in this article, something like this would be appropriate:
    http://www.hoyafilter.com/hoya...

  28. Apple need a patent... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    To prevent grandmothers from sharing baby pics on their cellphones before the lights go down and the trailers start playing. Very annoying.

  29. How about No! by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    MY PHONE should obey MY instructions. If I say take of picture of something it should do so, not ask some third party not me if its alright.

    What I do with the phone is my responsibility.

    --
    Repeal the 17th Amendment TODAY! Also Please Read http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
    1. Re: How about No! by chasm22 · · Score: 1

      And how does this square with that. Are we to assume that an i{hone will become the judge and jury for every 'bad' decision we make? Next it will start slowing down your car if you exceed the speed limit while driving a car that employs Carplay? Or writes you a ticket if you roll through a stop sign.

      This is crappy thing to patent. Apple--The new marshal is in town.

    2. Re:How about No! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      MY PHONE should obey MY instructions.

      So you don't have an iPhone then. Why worry?

    3. Re: How about No! by DarkOx · · Score: 2

      I don't disagree with that at all. Its my responsibility to follow the rules though, and its their responsibility to have security watching to make sure people do it. It IS NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE A SECURITY SOLUTION FOR THEM.

      --
      Repeal the 17th Amendment TODAY! Also Please Read http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
  30. Five years ago by elistan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For what it's worth, this patent was discussed five years ago on Slashdot. The earliest date for this idea of Apple's appears to be December 2, 2009.

  31. Won't work by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Tape is your friend, just ask Facebook's owner

    --
    -- Tigger warning: This post may contain tiggers! --
  32. Re:Of course, nothing prevents the owner from by spire3661 · · Score: 1

    Devil's Advocate: Apple could have filed it to be proactive and keep it out of everyone else's hands.

    --
    Good-bye
  33. Go ahead and tape it over by lylefile · · Score: 1

    For those who actually looked at the patent, it does not use a separate sensor. It looks for the IR signal in the image to being photographed. So go ahead and put black tape over the camera lens. The system still works! Unless you're into photographing the backside of black tape. Very clever, Apple. Hopefully other phone and camera manufacturers won't bother to license it.

  34. Invented... by supertrooper · · Score: 1

    Amazing how a company can be so careless. If they decide to put this on their phones it will be the end of iphone. I hate when people film at concerts as they will never watch it again, but some people want to do this. You want to take photos with your friends at a show? Forget that.

  35. Classroom Mode by callahan2211 · · Score: 2

    As a teacher, I'd like to see Apple or Google patent a way to use a phone as only a calculator or run in a sandbox -- call it classroom mode. I don't think they'll do it because Apple & Google would end up selling less chromebooks and iPads for COWS(Computer On Wheel) carts to schools. Just my $ 0.02

    --
    "There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and
  36. Re:Of course, nothing prevents the owner from by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

    Pretty easy to counter it though, IR lens filters will become very popular.

  37. This is the greatest iPhone innovation since... by JoeyRox · · Score: 4, Funny

    the removal of the headphone jack.

    1. Re:This is the greatest iPhone innovation since... by Nexibit · · Score: 1
  38. Re:Of course, nothing prevents the owner from by sabri · · Score: 4, Informative

    Put up a sign stating that cellphones observed during the concert will be confiscated

    That does not make it legal to confiscate anything that I legally own.

    The only thing that a venue can do is ask me to leave. If I refuse, they can call the cops for trespassing, but that's about it.

    observers violating those terms deserve some kind of negative reinforcement

    Which will be limited to being thrown out.

    --
    I'm not a complete idiot... Some parts are missing.
  39. An Apple Exclusive? by Vytalon · · Score: 1

    This is an Apple patented feature so I guess the question is will they charge a licensing fee that other vendors are willing to pay and will other phone maker use a full spectrum camera so it works? If they are unwilling to add a full spectrum camera or pay the licensing fee it will only effect iPhone users which make up about 45% of the market. (If a quick Google search is to be believed.)

    --
    Let some one use your computer and they will use it for the day. Give or sell some one a computer and you will be tech s
  40. A lower tech solution.. by MountainLogic · · Score: 1
    1. Re:A lower tech solution.. by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      ... is to hire Hell's Angles as your security

      The enforcement is acutely felt. Wassamatta? Am I being obtuse?

  41. Dupe by c · · Score: 1

    Nice to see they're still working on it, but not exactly new...

    https://apple.slashdot.org/sto...

    --
    Log in or piss off.
  42. Re: Of course, nothing prevents the owner from by thundercattt · · Score: 1

    For that to work it would have to be some sort of software that picks this up during use. Which in theory would only be proprietary to Apple software + phones. Simply removing/disabling this software by Apple, installing another camera app would by pass it. Or calmly toss your iFone for an Android who won't care what you film.

  43. They need to do one more thing by pjbgravely · · Score: 1

    They need to invent away to stop people from making vertical videos. That would benefit mankind.

    --
    Star Trek, there maybe hope.
  44. So can it stop people from reporting old news? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1
    --
    Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
  45. Re:Of course, nothing prevents the owner from by unrtst · · Score: 2

    Actually I'm confused, because most cameras already filter UV and IR frequencies.

    No, they don't.
    Open up your camera app on your phone, point any remote at it, and hold down a button.

  46. This just in! by Rainwulf · · Score: 1

    Sales of IR camera filters skyrocket!

  47. Re:Why film concerts? by aicrules · · Score: 1

    for many people the idea of their network of friends/followers seeing where they are and what they're recording is more important. Not entirely sure why as I don't have that need myself. I enjoy sharing things occasionally, but not at the level that hampers experiencing things myself.

  48. Evil bit was supposed to be a joke by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    Apple has sold out humanity to lizard like aliens who lack appreciation for wasting power on cloaking fields 24x7 just to avoid being documented by every Dick, Jane, and with a camera phone in their pocket.

  49. and defeated with less than $0.20... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    IR cut filter over the lens.... BOOM defeated 100%.

    Dear apple, you are really losing your edge...

    --
    Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
  50. Re:Of course, nothing prevents the owner from by AC-x · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, they don't.

    Technically they do, otherwise synthetic fabrics would come out purple (see "Infrared / Ultraviolet pollution" half way down the page). They're just not 100% effective so a little IR gets through, and depends on the camera as some are worse than others.

  51. And then some politician... by BigChigger · · Score: 1

    invokes this method as a means to be "off the record" so their bullshit racist/liberal/globalist/conservative/SJW comments don't end up on Youtube.

  52. Amnesia Ray for Cameras by bitchtits · · Score: 1

    Thanks Apple. Cool and fair as always. What could possibly go wrong with that?

  53. Its a feature, not a bug! by WolfgangVL · · Score: 1

    Now go buy the new and improved I-Phone, the "I-Phone 1984+Orwell 2b"

    (beatings sold separately, but if you sign up for our handy "lifestyle monitoring service", we will throw them in at a reduced cost! What a deal!)

    --
    You are being ripped off every second of every day, so that advertisers can help rip you off even more tomorrow.
  54. No company is going to implement this by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    Companies patent features that will encourage use of their products. Implementing this would cause users to avoid upgrading their iPhones, or to go Android, so no.

  55. To bypass this "security" feature. by rossz · · Score: 1

    Put black electrical tape over the sensor.

    --
    -- Will program for bandwidth
  56. Re:Jamming law? by DewDude · · Score: 1

    Infrared energy is not RF energy...therefore it's not governed by the FCC. Yes...light is part of the EM spectrum...and it has a wave property...but it's also got photons and just behaves differently. Infrared headphones are easier to make since they don't require FCC approval; but they're also a bit more limited. Any system that's going to be using IR for communication will likely be using a different wavelength. The IR they use for this will likely be close to visible light range; as Apple really prides themselves on the camera and not filtering IR makes for lousier pictures when your sensor responds to it. Then again...the filter may be effective for ambient IR only. That's provided they're using the actual cameras and not some idle IR port. Running the camera all the time in the background would be very wasteful energy wise.

  57. Re:Of course, nothing prevents the owner from by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Put up a sign stating that cellphones observed during the concert will be confiscated

    That does not make it legal to confiscate anything that I legally own.

    But, but...it's a sign, see? A SIGN! Don't you know that signs are mystic talismans you can put up on your property to magically grant yourself the legal power to do anything written on the sign!?

  58. Re:$500 deposit on entry by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    You can't get into the venue in the first place without putting a $500 authorization (or "hold") on your credit card. If you're thrown out, they capture the authorization.

    And if the reasons for getting thrown out are fraudulent, you can file a credit card chargeback. At that point, they could sue you, assuming they would actually want to bring the issue to court.

  59. Blinding Society by MrKaos · · Score: 3

    You must be talking about the Stazi, if I am picking up on your inference correctly? The tools of oppression are many and varied, the people you are talking about are too insular and afraid to look at such things. Worse that there is no hope for cowards, that they destroy hope for all.

    I can't say if the majority of /.rs believe that, but I do know that there are some people here that are very aware of the things that you speak of. The inference of this technology is very clear - 'we can film you - but you can't film us'. The state wants the power to allow law enforcement to be thugs to keep people in a state of fear as it is a tool of oppression. We were all blind for a long time, however now that we all have cameras, we can all see the activities of the state and confront its representatives with the evidence.

    You are right about there being no refuge and the only thing that I have seen in recent time to balance that is that everyone and anyone can be a random witness at any time and the kind of thuggery you are speaking of can be recorded as evidence and used to challenge that states version of events. This kind of important advancement is not merely a 'power to the people' kind of thing, it's an evolution of society as a whole to force the state to live up to the professional standards they profess to be maintaining.

    It also show how poisonous the music industry is and that the consequences of their 'Digital Restrictions Management' has had a much broader effect in the general community than any of us could have imagined and as such, inevitable that such technology would be invented. Whilst I have no doubt that there will be some sort of hack to overcome any implementation of it, that means nothing to the general population. The new (superior) model of witnessing state violence is being challenged with the premise of blinding a society who eyes have just been opened. We will have to watch how this development unfolds very carefully indeed.

    --
    My ism, it's full of beliefs.
  60. Re:$500 deposit on entry by tepples · · Score: 1

    And what if you dont have a credit card because your application was declined for some reason?

    The same way you bought the ticket to the show or reserved the hotel room: use a debit card with at least $500 of available balance.

  61. Pfff by garote · · Score: 1

    Apple has patents for all kinds of things, many of them purely defensive, many of them for products and features that never get implemented. I myself remember floating this idea around a dinner table with a few friends at least eight years ago, but our version of it was generalized: Bluetooth beacons that broadcast a "usage policy" around themselves.

    Not just useful for concerts. Imagine a beacon in a movie theater that automatically shuts off the screen and ringer of any cellphone inside it. No more dickheads texting their bros in the middle of your $16.00 movie outing. "But oh no, what if there's an emergency?" The phone still vibrates. Just walk outside the doors and it will light up again.

    Imagine a beacon in a classroom that shuts off all cellphone usage of any kind while the class is in session. No more concerns about cheating, no more playing Plants Vs Zombies instead of listening to the lecture. You wanna pass a note to a friend? Get a pencil and paper and do it old-skool ... that is, if you still know how to write.

    Then you get your two-way beacons. They listen for IDs. Want to take the subway somewhere? Just walk on, and walk off. You don't even need to take anything out of your pocket. The film Minority Report teased a similar thing with retina scanners, but with this system you wouldn't even need to look at anything. No turnstiles. Beacons in restaurant tables. Everyone who sat down pays a fragment of the bill. You only take a phone out if you want to divide it some non-standard way. Beacons in the intersections. Pass through an intersection too fast and your insurance company knows you're a liability before you do.

    This is the future of 'convenience'. Hopefully since Apple seems to give a damn about user privacy, they will be very careful in how they choose to apply this patent.

  62. First it's Apple, then it's Android by X!0mbarg · · Score: 1

    As we all know, the moment they roll out something like this, people will first have an alternative phone or recording device that simply does not have the camera-inhibiting code in it. The next step will be wide-spread jail-breaking of devices that have been "infected" with this stuff.

    Sure, the performers want it, the galleries would like it and Law Enforcement (and other clandestine operatives) might feel it necessary for the protection of it's collective members, but the fact remains: People will record stuff even if they're told they can't, and more heavily when they feel they are being repressed in any way. Any attempt to block their perceived "right" to record things will be met with resistance and even violence.

    Frankly, any camera-based recording of a concert is not going to have decent enough quality to compete with a properly produced commercial release any way, so it's a fairly moot point.

    Besides, if Sci-Fi is to be believed, there will be a back-and-forth of camera-blocking tech, and more sophisticated recording devices, so this is just going to be another curious series of events to keep us all entertained as it all rolls out.

    Good luck with putting that hat on the snowball, there Apple. I am sure it will have much greater longevity in hell.

  63. lip-sync by Smiddi · · Score: 1

    Great, now "artists" can lip-sync and we cant record the evidence :(

  64. Prior art by Sun · · Score: 1

    Here is prior art from 2008.

    Shachar

  65. Software running in the *camera* not the phone by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

    (I dismiss wifi and bluetooth outright, since users needs it deactivated for battery and security reasons)

    Let's imagine the camera is a USB peripheral and thus runs its own CPU and software (firmware).
    For the sake of the argument there are enough milliwatts of processing to detect the kill pulse. Maybe it could even be rather simplistic.
    You're toast, then.
    It's as if someone tricked you with a keyboard whose CPU acts as a keylogger (even a PS/2 keyboard is not immune and has a small computer that runs the leds etc.). Besides obvious security shenanigans, it could figure out you're typing some word, such as "hitler" and then send alt+f4 followed by enter, or keyboard's sleep key, or hotkey to lock workstation etc.
    The workaround is to not use that keyboard.

    Half way between pure software and such conspiracy theory, the camera plugs right into Apple's SoC which is a collection of CPUs. There's the image processor, and there is now the "motion processor" whose job is to collect sensor data crap when the main CPUs are sleeping. It's marketed as a way for a sleeping phone to listen on the mic.
    Not so impossible to have some relatively unknown piece of firmware doing things.

  66. IR filters for phones, also Do-not-film-me hats by misnohmer · · Score: 1

    As soon as this becomes integrated in iPhones, I'm starting a company selling do-not-film-me hats, pins, ski-masks and other accessories for anyone who doesn't want to be filmed. Also for sale, IR filters for iphones - both stick-on and cases with IR filters that block the "do not film" IR signals.

    1. Re:IR filters for phones, also Do-not-film-me hats by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      You may have a long wait. There's a big gap between patenting something and deciding it should go into a product.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  67. Should not be controlled by Apple by Misagon · · Score: 1

    A tech that would prevent people from using cell phones in movie theatres is sorely needed.
    But it would not do any good if it would only prevent filming, and knowing Apple: it would be restricted to Apple devices only ... if used at all: Apple has tonnes of patents that they don't use.

    It should have been a part of the cell phone radio protocols from the start and mandatory.

    --
    "We mustn't be caught by surprise by our own advancing technology" -- Aldous Huxley
  68. Re:Of course, nothing prevents the owner from by SargentDU · · Score: 1

    And, the consumer then does not have to attend a concert where harassment such as this is occurring. Saving themselves more money and losing a fan of the idiot performing.

  69. Not always realistic by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

    If concert promoters want to prevent filming or photographing of concerts then they just need to tell people to leave their phones in their cars or at home and confiscate them if they're smuggled in, returning them after the concert.

    As I pointed out recently, it's one thing for Alica Keys to be a jerk about this when she's playing a place that seats about 700-800 people and something else to do so in a much bigger venue. Can you imagine confiscating phones in a venue that holds 14,000 or more people? Last year I went to a Rolling Stones concert at a stadium and while I'm too lazy to look up the exact number, I bet that around 50,000 people attended it with me. How can you possibly confiscate so many phones and then get them back to the owners later without mixups?

    Maybe artists like Keys need to just decide if they want to go through life viewing their fans as enemies or not and whether doing so is a really good business decision. I can promise you that the Rolling Stones are not concerned with some dude in the upper deck making a low quality video recording of a live concert for his own use when they make huge money off ticket sales and tour merchandise. If others artists choose to view their fans as enemies and thieves because they want to take pictures and record videos, I don't really see a happy outcome from that. But I could be wrong. Prince was about as fan unfriendly as they come and while the days of him regularly playing basketball arenas were over by the time he died, he could still occasionally sell them out.

  70. Re:Fascinating...BUT not true by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

    They do have an IR filter on them. It's an easy test because while the rear-facing camera (the "good" one that faces away from the display) has the IR filter, the front facing one doesn't, so you can compare IR brightness captured with the front-facing and rear-facing camera.

    For whatever reason, Apple put an IR filter onto the rear-facing camera. I agree, it's pretty dumb and a UV filter would make more sense. Maybe it's also a UV filter, I don't know how you'd test that.

    --
    You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
  71. Good time to switch to Andriod phones by Justt+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

    So they are sticking a feature on their devices which will be a disservice to their customers?

    I suspect that while some customers may be familiar with this being on their phone, most may not realize what it means until it stops them from something they need to document.

    I would hate to be on their customer service staff for this. You think customers screaming about how their internet service being down (keeping them from watching their porn--err...documentaries) is bad, wait until their loved one's once in a life time event is not recorded because this stopped them.

    So, there will be pirate beacons for sale in the future (or created by DIY geeks) to avoid being photographed or screwing with crowded public events?

  72. Another reason not to use apple products by pebear · · Score: 1

    Thanks apple I guess I will use Android phones from now on....

    --
    Paul E. Bahre
  73. so... by gzuckier · · Score: 1

    can we kickstarter a project to pay every restaurant and fastfood outlet to install one of these just to get rid of all the pictures of people's meals posted everywhere?

    --
    Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
  74. Let's get mad over vaporware! by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

    Apple has patented a thing, they haven't made a thing. Let's be mad when they actually make a bad thing based on a patented thing. They hold a lot of patents for things that never see the light of day, and they like to keep their bases covered. It's dubious at best that they'd actually implement this when they're also attempting to make it so nobody except you is allowed to access your data--not even the authorities. It seems like they're willing to die on that hill; I doubt they're willing to die on this one, even if the patent exists.

  75. Re:$500 deposit on entry by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    You can't get into the venue in the first place without putting a $500 authorization (or "hold") on your credit card.

    Citation needed. I've been to a bunch of concerts and never seen anything like this. Of course, I don't go to stupid teenage pop concerts, so maybe they do things differently.

  76. Patent a way to keep people from buying iPhones by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

    Oh, wait. Prior art. Apple Corp 2016. Bah!

  77. SSIDs instead of Infrared Beams by tariqmustafa · · Score: 1

    Why can't they just use passive-SSIDs instead of infrared? A simple idea for a similar situation (where phones needed to be automatically put in silent mode as in a church or a hospital) is detailed below (and at https://gist.github.com/tariqm...) [Starts] People are generally caring. When in a gathering, especially indoor gatherings, there is often a need to put the cellular phones on silent mode (with or without vibration mode on, depending on users preference). Despite the good intentions, people often forget to put their phone sets on mute only to realize when the ringtone suddenly disrupts an otherwise serious, somber or respectful activity (such as a board meeting, a serious discussion, a funeral or a ritual/prayer) and causes a) disruption to the event and embarrasses the phone users. With most of the modern phone features, a solution to this problem is possible which will enable phone users to display their sincerity to the requests of phones silence being made by the hosts to the gatherings by automating this process. Over a period of time, this could become an international norm. The feature is being summarily called 'Honoring Silence Requests' This is a feature that Nokia can be proud of in the area of sensible social responsibility features that come as part and parcel of Nokia phones and reflects the innovative image of Nokia. The phones that will carry this feature will have wifi access. For this feature to be used, the wifi service layer must be activated on the handset. Upon activation of the feature, the phone set will scan available wifi hotspots periodically. The event/conference/meeting hosts will need to add a preset text string at the end of the SSID of their existing wifi router/access point (say, NK-HSRF-999000). So a wifi hotspot which was previously named, let's say, 'BoardRoom Nokia' will now say 'BoardRoom Nokia - NK-HSRF-999000'. When the phone user with HSR feature on enters this area, it will detect the wifi network and the preset trailing text in the SSID. Irrespective of the fact whether the user connects to this SSID or not, the phone will immediately go into silence (with or without vibration) mode. There is no need of any additional hardware to be put in by the hosts or the phone user to implement this feature. All components are already present. The solution is non disruptive to existing functions of the phone sets and the meeting are hosts. The activated HSR feature will only activate the silence mode once it receives a fairly strong (say, 80%) strong wifi signal. This will ensure that silence requests set by wifi hotspots that just happen to be nearby are not considered as valid requests and the feature is only used as intended. [Ends]

  78. Those videos have gotta be stopped by Maritz · · Score: 1

    It's an essential invention. I, for my own part, must shamefully admit that I always purchase recordings of songs from gigs recorded on iphones instead of buying albums etc. The quality is fucking great, particularly the audio. So I can see why they want to do this. Most of us get our music from gig recordings now and it's fucking scandalous.

    People are clearly just going to concerts just so they can film some of it and make millions selling the footage. It's a fucking disgrace.

    --
    I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
  79. Hotel room deposit by tepples · · Score: 1

    Rental of cars and hotel rooms often involves such an authorization as a deposit. I'm not aware either of any concerts that require a deposit. The idea in context was supposed to be that a concert promoter attempts to confiscate the phones of those who violate the cell phone policy written on the ticket, and when that is found not to legally fly, the next concert will require such a deposit.

    1. Re:Hotel room deposit by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Ok, I see.

      It does seem ridiculous to me that this would actually happen. However, as you point out, it's common with rental cars and hotel rooms, so "never say never". But concerts have traditionally been events where you pay and you get a ticket, and whoever holds the ticket is the one who's permitted admission (and the ticket may also guarantee a certain seat too). It's pretty hard to imagine this moving to the hotel-like model where they keep your charge card on file just in case you break the rules. For one thing, a lot of people do buy tickets with cash. And for another thing, the hotel one is justified in most peoples' eyes: if the guest is a a jerk and actually causes damage to the room, they need a deposit to deal with that; it's no different than having a deposit on an apartment to take care of damage. With the concert, there's no "damage" you can do really; the deposit is only so they can extract money for you if you break their rules about recording; basically they're treating you like a potential criminal. Who's going to agree to that? But then again, there's no shortage of "sheeple" out there: just look at all the iPhone buyers.

      I for one will not attend any such concerts.

  80. This isn't new! by J.D. · · Score: 1

    Probably not the first to point this out but I got tire of scrolling so...

    This was first discussed right here on /. in 2006 and was implemented with varying levels of success.

    https://slashdot.org/story/06/...

    --
    Peace of mind isn't at all superficial to technical work, it's the whole thing.
  81. Media companies will lose money and free promotion by Wagoo · · Score: 1

    Most of the time I've recorded something at a concert and uploaded it to Youtube, Google's (over-enthusiastic) algorithms have picked up on some 30 second section of audio.. then the owners have just monetized my video. So they get free promotion AND a revenue stream.

    I'd argue recording a public performance like that is far more about preserving the people that attended's memories and the history of the event for the fans (as opposed to say, movie theatres where the source of the experience there is exactly the same as later home releases..)

    I've discovered so many bands through finding fan footage of them it's unreal.. they will be stabbing themselves in the back.

    Apple should be focused on making loud audio recording less prone to distortion and low light recording better (stuck with tiny lenses, then use the telescope array thing with multiple lenses to improve picture quality etc.)

  82. Re:Of course, nothing prevents the owner from by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    you just need a filter in front of the lens that will not pass i/r as it is not usable light for the CCD anyway.

    Not true. You do remember that CCDs were originally developed for astronomical (and spy satellite) use, not for consumer products? IR sensitivity just wasn't considered a problem when the technology was invented, and it has only been seen as a problem as use has spread outside the design criteria into consumer use where there is a premium on producing "natural" images, with a colour balance comparable to the human eye. So people have been gluing IR filters onto CCD chips for the recent half of the technology's history, for this "human friendly" imaging.

    Remember the repeated wailing and gnashing of teeth as NASA "fiddled with the colour balance" of the early images from the recent crop (herd? rove?) of Mars landers? That was a consequence of taking chips optimised for science (including lots of IR sensitivity), and trying to correct them to give an image as a human eye would see. I think that extra filters were added to (one of) the Curiosity cameras (the MastCam?) precisely to address this PR failing.

    --
    Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
  83. Re:Of course, nothing prevents the owner from by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    If concert promoters want to prevent filming or photographing of concerts then they just need to tell people to leave their phones in their cars or at home and confiscate them if they're smuggled in, returning them after the concert.

    You used the word "just". I take it that you've never had to deal with the safe storage of tens of thousands of small valuable items for tens of thousands of customers. Here's something appropriate : lockers of 150h x 163w x 360d (mm), banks of 40 lockers. So you'd need 250 banks - for around a million quid. And you've got to deal with getting people to load their shit into these, remember to take the key ; not lose the key, then retrieve their shit at the end of the gig. Where you're going to place them ... depends on your venue. What you're going to do about people who forget where their locker is ... is your problem. What you're going to do about customers who forget to reclaim their goods ... is your problem. What do you do with the 501st customer who forgot to leave their phone at home before walking (or taking the bus) to the venue - when you've only got 500 lockers ...

    There's a lot of stuff in your "just". I don't think you've thought through the logistics of your proposal.

    I met the issue at heliports where people weren't allowed to take phones out to the oil rig - all our people were stone cold sober when they came back, and there were still several cases a day of someone forgetting to take their phone home with them. Why were phones not allowed? Because there had been cases of phones interfering with flight avionics, and also of phone batteries getting impacted in the baggage hold and smoldering. So for at least three years, taking a mobile phone onto the helicopter was banned. Flat out - no discussion - banned. But equally, since many people had to be flying for a full day to get to or from the heliport, they were expected to turn up to the heliport with a phone that they couldn't take to work with them.

    Really, the "sealed pouch" solution someone else mentioned upthread - "yonder" or something like that - is the only practical solution. And they're probably going to lose 5 to 10% of their "pouches" at every event (they'l factor that into the cost, of course). I'm moderately surprised that there aren't any for sale on ebaY, and I'd be really surprised if that remained the case.

    You know - I'm now almost intrigued enough about the construction to actually go to a gig for the first time in 20-odd years, just to steal one and figure out the closing mechanism. If the idea lasts long enough to come to this side of the Atlantic.

    --
    Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"