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FBI Probes Newly Discovered Hillary Clinton Emails and Reopens Investigation (telegraph.co.uk)
The FBI said Friday it is reviewing newly discovered emails related to Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server to determine whether she properly handled classified emails. The reopening of the investigation comes after the FBI recently "learned of the existence of emails that appear to be pertinent to the Clinton investigation," FBI director James Comey said. Comey added, however, that "FBI cannot yet assess whether or not this material may be significant." It is also unclear "how long it will take us to complete this additional work." FBI's announcement today is "certain" to become an issue in the final two weeks of the presidential campaign, however. Donald Trump is naturally pleased hearing the news, at New Hampshire, Trump said the new probe offered the FBI the chance to correct a "grave miscarriage of justice." He added, "We must not let her take her criminal scheme into the Oval Office." Supporters responded with chants of "Lock her up!" Trump added that the email investigation is "bigger than Watergate."
"how ling it will take us to complete this additional work."
Who is this Ling and why is there a Chinese agent working on this?!
Trump and his supporters should just drop the whole thing already. The only people who keep going on about this are just whiny asshats that don't like Hillary because she's a woman and they can't stand the thought of a f president.
more bullshit in this election!
However, they do plan to take 5 years to analyze the data, then decide that despite being complete flagrant violations of Federal law, the information leaked is no longer a national security issue, so they will not recommend any charges.
1. They did not say that they are reopening the investigation. The memo itself makes that clear.
2. The emails are related to the server, but not from Clinton
Pete Williams is reporting that the emails have A) nothing to do with Wikileaks, and B) were not withheld by Clinton.
Beyond that, we know very, very little right now. Actually it's rather bizarre that Comey would throw a bombshell like this 11 days before the election. But let's see where it goes.
"99 dead duelists of Dios on the wall. 99 dead duelists of Dios! Take one's ring, pass it around..."
Would be ironic if Kim Dotcom become's responsible for more transparency in government.
I wonder if the FBI, in their 'unrelated investigation' found evidence of 'intent'?
Correction: the FBI is not reopening the case, they're assessing some emails that they found in a different investigation to see if they are relevant. If they are relevant to Clinton, and if they contain classified information, then it's possible in the future that they might reopen the case. But that's not what the FBI said - that's all speculation by politicians looking for a "hook" to keep attacking Clinton.
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Anyone who's ever run an email server knows end users screw things up, they don't understand retention periods, and will do everything they can to defeat your best efforts to keep them out of trouble.
Her use of a private email server and ignorance is not the real issue.
The emails themselves, however, expose her to be what Sanders supporters said all along. She's a normal, standard, pay to play corporate politician.
Nothing in the previous emails should be surprising unless you were just now woke, or are a Trump supporter and were never woke, don't know what woke means, and believe everything you read on WND.
Why is anyone sending classified information over the clear?
The wackjobs are getting more and more desperate.
I hope that this time round they made damn sure that Comey or anyone else that has shared business interests with the Clintons can't have anything to do with the new investigation.
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What if she's found guilty and wins the election. Presumably if she's found guilty after taking office she'll pardon herself. If it happens between November and January though, does Kaine become president?
That I can live with far more easily than Trump or Clinton.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
Uh, no. If she were to drop out now, the ballots couldn't be undone, but Tim Kaine, as the surviving member of the ticket, would become president if the Dems win. Nobody would have to be written in. Similarly, had Trump dropped out or anything happened to him, Pence would become the president in the event of a GOP win
This is a point also made in 1998 during the impeachment hearings on Bill Clinton. Dems were at the time fighting tooth and nail to save him, but had they gone along w/ the GOP and impeached Clinton, Algore would have become president, and he would have had the liberty to hire someone more to his liking than Joe Lieberman.
Hillary for prison, 2016!
Trump for psychward, 2016!
Ron Paul 2012! (fake and gay!)
Though with all this excitement, I think it may have to be Bernie for shady groves retirement home, 2016! ;)
US Politics under renovation until further notice.
They are not Clinton emails. They are not Clinton server emails. And he didn't say "reopened" (only "review", "assess"). So yeah.
Comey is worried about his job, that's it. I think he might have worked himself into a spot where he is toast no matter who wins. What a dumb ass.
Had Sanders been the candidate, he would have been running 15 points ahead of Trump right now
There is no restriction on a President pardoning themselves. So we need to move fast or have there be an impeachment right after she get's in.
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Apparently, there is suppose to be another dump sometime next week which according to wiki (doubt if I believe it) should "get Hillary arrested". Now, as much as I think the Clinton's are crooks, and should be in jail, I doubt it will happen. Interesting though, the Clinton's have transferred over 2 million dollars from their accounts in the USA, to Dubai. Are they planning some sort of escape in the near future, to a country that will not extradite them to the USA? Why transfer all of your assets to another country? She has to know, if she loses, Trump, even though I still have it in the back of my mind he only got into this election to help Hillary, by taking all of the spotlight off of other candidates, may of had a "come to Jesus meeting" and got his mind right with God...I hope so! This is about the screwiest election I've seen in my 57 years of life.
But if we have a hung result, why would the GOP vote in McMullin as the president elect instead of Trump, who has been their democratically elected nominee? And when the party opinion has been strongly in favor of Trump's positions on trade, borders, extreme vetting, et al?
At this point, I'm OK with an extra 4 years of Obama. Is there a constitutional loophole?
I predict a day or two before the election the FBI will say everything is just peachy.
That might just push some fence sitters over to Hillary.
It sucks, but saddle up for 8 years of Hillary - it's going to be bad.
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All politicians are corrupt. You have no idea how corrupt. All of them.
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From the perspective of a Europan[*], the US presidential election seems like a never ending soap opera. Or possibly like watching a train wreck in slow motion. I've gotten into the (bad) habit of daily checking the latest political news in NY Times, Washington Post and WSJ. The language/tone in the comment sections of the articles is horrible... Up until today at least the forecasts have seen stable, i.e. the train had stopped sliding off the tracks and only a small part of it hangs out over the side. But now it's like in a movie where there's a squeaky sound from the trains slowly starting to slide I really wish this marathon of an election was over.
[*] I'm scandinavian, but with a US girl friend. At least she had the "benefit" of voting in Alabama, where Trump is anyway winning, so she could write in Jill Stein rather than having to vote for a candidate she doesn't like.
Trump and his supporters ...
Its the FBI not Trump, the very same FBI that said there was insufficient evidence to file charges not so long ago.
... don't like Hillary because she's a woman ...
How delusional. Hillary is despised for many many reason unrelated to her gender. Plus her gender is an advantage, there are far more people voting for her because of her gender than voting against her because of her gender. How sad for feminism, for "equality".
Story where Terry McAuliffe (a long time Clinton friend) gave the lead FBI investigator's wife $500,000 for a campaign run in 2015 during the investigation. If you know Terry McAuliffe, you know dealing with him is basically the same as dealing with the Clintons.
I think you need to exclude anyone who took bribes from the Clintons as well.
The 'fixed race' implies the head of the party, and the entire party machinery operating on her behalf, instead of being neutral in the battle b/w Hilary and Bernie. THAT'S what fixed means, you Clinton worshipping POS!!!
since when does review equate reopen...?
Just checked, as of 2pm central time, These news sites have it FRONT PAGE. cnn.com washingtonpost Nytimes msmbc Cbsnews abcnews nbcnews huffingtonpost wallstreet journal dailyKOS dailycaller Foxnews drudge report democraticunderground So, it's not like this isn't being reported on, unlike some past events. Also, not that it holds much weight, but, wiki also said next weeks dump will "get Hillary arrested". Doubtful, but seeing her do a perp walk would just tickle my innards. She & Bill have transferred almost 2 million dollars from accounts in the USA, to Dubai. Now why do that? Planning on fleeing the country on November the 9th if you lose?
I don't know about that. If they had gone further earlier, we might have a different Democratic nominee. If she were to drop out of the race now, Trump might be up against a write-in Democratic candidate.
No, Clinton / Kaine are the candidates being voted for. There is no other possibility at this point.
IF Clinton were successfully prosecuted and unable to serve then Kaine would be sworn in. More likely Obama will pardon her to prevent such chaos and enable her to serve.
Mars now please, not later. Where do I get in line?
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On the contrary, loyal Democrat partisans would vote for a Iranian mullah if he happened to head the ticket. So that support would be Bernie's anyway, and if you toss in the Millenial Marxists, the pro-Illegal Hispanics and the BLM vote, then he'd have had a landslide
This is just Hillary taking the oppormatunity to shove her thumb in the Republicans' eye at the last minute and show that there is no way that she can be brought down. She always wins because she knows the game.
Can't bring down The Beast.
The first investigation found that she was grossly negligent and irresponsible in her handling of classified material - what they didn't find was 'intent'.
Will the recently arrested NSA "leaker" be let off like her? After all the FBI seems to be saying that so far there was no intent to distribute the classified materials he had at home. So he too is merely guilty of have classified material on a personal computer without permission.
There is no restriction on a President pardoning themselves. So we need to move fast or have there be an impeachment right after she get's in.
IF she wins Obama will pardon her if charged and prevent a prosecution from occurring. Will of the people ... blah blah.
Hillary turned over all relevant emails, so by definition this is all irrelevant. Doesn't matter anyway since the election and the rigging is already in progress and the F.B.I. will drag this out until after election day. Then Obama gives Hillery and all of her co-conspirators full pardons, just like he is doing for the drug lords now, and you can't touch her and she goes on to be the President. Ha Ha Ha! That jerk Trump never even bothered to ask Hillery if she would accept a pardon from Obama after the election while she was asking him if he would complain if he could show that the election was rigged or just take it like a man. Not that a statement that she wouldn't accept a pardon would in any way be legally binding.
In the leaked emails other Democrats were freaking out about Hillay's email. It is a huge problem and ignoring it is insane.
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I don't care which side is doing it. Reopening an investigation less than two weeks before an election is attempting to influence that election.
If proper handling of e-mail was so important, why isn't the FBI investigating the more serious e-mail violations that occurred during the Bush Administration? Oh, that's right. If it involves Hillary Clinton, there has to be at least three different investigations.
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The two major parties failed to come up with seriously-vetted presidential candidates, and yet, polls show over 80% of people are still saying they're voting for whomever those parties nominated.
You can't blame them anymore, folks. YOU are the problem, and you're going to continue being your own problem until you tell them "no" instead of putting your hands over your eyes and ears and shouting "yes, yes, yes!"
I don't have any idea how this "investigation" will end (it might be legit, and it might be bullshit), but the one thing we do know beyond and doubt, is that every single person already knew about the email scandal months ago, and the Democrats still chose Clinton afterwards. Whether a crime happened or not, you knew this person was going to have the email scandal dogging them. It's like you're trying to lose.
Democrats fucked themselves every bit as good as the Republicans did, and I thought the Republicans' self-destruction was spectacularly awesome. This election has the most self-sabotage ever, and it would be delicious and funny, if voters weren't saying they didn't care. So I guess we all get to be part of the self-sabotage too. That's less funny.
On the morning of November 9, they'll wake up and hear that you approve and they're cleared to do this again in 2020, or they'll hear that America would rather have actual political parties instead. Attaboy, or fuck you?
IF Clinton were successfully prosecuted and unable to serve then Kaine would be sworn in. More likely Obama will pardon her to prevent such chaos and enable her to serve.
Doesn't one need to be convicted before a pardon could be granted? Think the DOJ could get its conviction of HRC before Obama left office?
No. Nixon was neither convicted nor impeached when he was pardoned by Ford. Ford wanted to preempt any prosecution.
Man 2016 is making 2000 look like a walk in the park.
If either of these chuckleheads gets electimacated, we're going to be tied up in Congressional investamigations and impeachament threats all the way to 2020.
Hell, the Republicans may even get distractimacated from trying to repeal ACA 60 more times.
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When a candidate is 70, it makes sense that his VP should be in his 50s or 40s, so that there is a next generation of leadership in the VP slot. In that aspect, Newt, who is 74, would not have made sense here.
That's Trump alright. He knew that Hillary was on the Watergate committee at the time and purposefully referenced to it now. I'm sure he have studied every detail on the life of the Clinton's and uses any and all fitting references at an opportunity.
But ain't that what a good portion of the Left already thinks? Y'know, the people who voted Bernie in the primaries? Stein is the perfect vehicle for Bernie voters in the general election who don't support Trump, but who are pissed off at what Hitlary did to Bernie
(Disclaimer) I am NOT a Trump supporter.
Would you rather it be reopened AFTER the election when someone could potentially pardon ones self? It's okay, they'll give her 60 days to clean up the details.
Actually, Comey should drop out of the investigation, and someone else at the FBI should take over from him. He is either stupid, or compromised, or both.
Wouldn't matter. Apparently everyone on the investigation *except* Comey wanted her indicted:
The decision to let Hillary Clinton off the hook for mishandling classified information has roiled the FBI and Department of Justice, with one person closely involved claiming that career agents and attorneys on the case unanimously believed the Democratic presidential nominee should have been charged.
“No trial level attorney agreed, no agent working the case agreed, with the decision not to prosecute — it was a top-down decision,” said the source, whose identity and role in the case has been verified by FoxNews.com.
http://www.twincities.com/2016...
http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-...
http://www.denverpost.com/2016...
http://www.azcentral.com/story...
BTW, I only keep hearing about "rigged" elections, fraud, stealing votes etc. from two kinds of people. Political dilettantes and Republicans.
Only difference being that as far as I can tell, while political dilettantes have always been partial to conspiracy theories because they are... well...dilettantes...
Republicans seem to have built their myth of "being cheated" around that time JFK beat their "not a crook" sweatball Tricky Dick.
Who just happened to be running multiple schemes to rig elections just as his party was busy implementing the "Southern strategy" in order to woo southern whites.
Who were at the time all hot and bothered about losing their "legitimate" ways of rigging elections against black voters, they went around dressed in nothing but dresses made out of bed linen.
Sorta like what ISIS folk do.
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The 'unrelated investigation' is apparently the investigation into Huma Abadeen's (sp) estranged husband Anthony Weiner's Sexting Scandal...
No. Nixon was neither convicted nor impeached when he was pardoned by Ford. Ford wanted to preempt any prosecution.
In fact the very point was debated at the Constitutional Convention of 1787, and the side lobbying for pardons to be permitted before conviction won the argument. This was affirmed in 1867 by the Supreme Court in Ex parte Garland.
Anthony Weiner and Bill Clinton are alike, the later being analog, the former digital. Its fitting that Weiner be a source of frustration and embarrassment for Hillary.
What same reason? Hilary is suspected of pay to play, or delivering favors via the State Department in return for bribes to the Clinton Foundation. Trump has been completely outside government. How does the question of impeaching him even arise?
Even the other Democratic candidate considers it a non-issue, and has said so since the very beginning of the primaries campaign:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
This is nothing more than a stupid-ass canard that Trump and his alt-right goonsquad are clinging to in order to distract from the real issues and the fact that they have no answers and their entire campaign is built around racism, misogyny, and xenophobic isolationism.
Real issue, such as Clinton supporters being bullies?
There's not a one among you who can rub two words together without insulting someone.
Delete the insults from any pro-Clinton position and you have nothing left!
Trump said the new probe offered the FBI the chance to correct a "grave miscarriage of justice." He added, "We must not let her take her criminal scheme into the Oval Office."
If only people were presumed to be innocent until proven guilty in this country - oh wait ...
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Everyone, before you judge me, please think back to when you made a bad call, and had a joke go a little too far.
Trump says the election is rigged, but he is too nice to tell you who did it. If Clinton gets subpoenaed, though, it's going to come out anyway. I don't want everyone to go off half-cocked, so I have decided to come forward now.
I made a bet with my brother. It started out as innocent fun. I said, "I bet I can make the Republicans lose the presidential election, by tricking them into nominating the very worst loser they possibly can." He said, "oh yeah? I can make the Democrats lose the election. Same strategy, different tactics." At stake, a single six-pack of IPA. It was a joke! At the time, we didn't intend it to get out-of-hand. But then, you know, you see little ways you can get your little virtual avatar a step foward, and not thinking it would really result in any real-world consequences, you go ahead. Or you're confident that you've got it, and next thing you know, he's taking Bernie off the board! (That was amazing; I didn't know my brother was smart enough to figure out how to do that.) Next thing I know, we're having heated arguments. "Nuh uh! You'll never get yours nominated! People aren't that stupid. They don't want their party to lose." "Yeah, huh!" We have played so many war games and simulations and such, they're all just abstractions to us. It was so easy to forget this one was more real, than say, Clash of Clans.
Needless to say, once the nominations happened, we realized the horror of it all, and the bet was off! We aren't pushing the players around anymore. We have already split the cost of the sixpack and drank it together. It's over. Well, over except the election itself. But we're not pulling the strings anymore, and if my old account (running on autopilot, I guess) wins, I can't legitimately lord that over my brother, or vice-versa.
Look, people, I know it looks ugly, but it actually isn't really all that bad. You don't have to vote for our people. Just vote against them. There are plenty of people running for president, and at least one of them is probably actually pretty close to your own politics. (Even with good candidates, you wouldn't expect those two parties to have matched very many people anyway; peoples' opinions have way more diversity than that!) You'll do fine. Just curse us for our little prank and vote against our avatars. We will bear the shame. You need not.
And yes, I'm sorry! I won't do it again. Promise.
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Uh, no. If she were to drop out now, the ballots couldn't be undone, but Tim Kaine, as the surviving member of the ticket, would become president if the Dems win.
That's not how it works.
If the candidate cannot finish the race for some reason (death or infirmity is the supposed scenario), the party chooses a new candidate. That's Democratic party rules.
In this particular situation, and so close to the election they would *probably* select Tim Kaine, but the party is not obliged to choose him.
They are not her emails and nothing has been "re-opened". Sorry Trumpettes.
Problem w/ Carly was that Hilary would have torn her to shreds the same way Barbara Boxer did in CA - on the way she ran HP. In fact, in the 2nd debate on CNN, Trump pointed out how her claims of growing HP were actually skewed by the Compaq acquisition, and how she did a terrible job. Carly's biggest problem is that unlike Trump, she didn't have a record of success following a record of failure. Yeah, Trump had 4 bankruptcies, but following that, he did make his company a very successful one. Whereas the last noticeable job Carly did was at HP
For a female president, as a Republican, I might have looked at one of the governors. Had I been a Dem, I might have gone for Pelosi
Title says it all
So how many people has Trump killed? The 'worst' he has said is that he'd keep illegals out, and deport them all. Whereas Stalin caused an artificial famine in Ukraine and killed more people than even Hitler in his purges.
Just like with those really deep carpet stains, a Clinton matter involves extremely strong clensers, and sometimes even a rinse/repeat or two. And you're never really rid of the faint smell.
Not really. The same dirt that they're digging up on Trump now would have been dug up on Rubio - his absenteeism in the senate, his past loans, his usage of a party credit card... He may have explained that satisfactorily during the campaign, but they'd have been brought back to haunt him
I've thought for a while that it would be to the benefit of the country and both parties to form a pact that, regardless of who wins the election, congress will immediately impeach them.
The republicans have already said that is their plan. So... yay?
Stein's the crazy old cat lady without any cats.
We know who's been busy grabbing them cats of all them ladies. Maybe FBI should look into that too?
Seeing as they are willing to waste time and money chasing one party's conspiracy theories... might as well do something useful and look for those cats.
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Can I skewer him for giving us IPv4 and NAT?
That's the point I'm making - Comey was the only one who didn't want to indict her. Which is why I'd like him to be removed, and the FBI to do a trial w/o fear of what the president may or may not do
Sorry - I read your post as pro-Clinton instead of pro-justice.
There's so many shenanigans going on right now that I've honestly lost track of the right thing to do. I 'kinda agree with your position.
Indeed. He seems to have sent "illicit messages" to a 15-year-old girl. The FBI has reportedly confiscated both Abedin's and Weiner's phones and this is how they came to know about more possible evidence in the Hillary Clinton email case.
-SR
If the FBI didn't bother to bring charges the first time around with the evidence of mishandling classified information being as obvious as it can get, does anyone believe anything will come of a sequel ?
The only thing it would do is show the World a second time that the DOJ is either corrupt, incompetent or both.
That the rule of law is selectively applied depending on who you are, who your friends are and how big your bank account is.
At this point, there is no fucking way the establishment will allow all the work they've poured into their darling candidate to get undermined by any pesky laws designed for us lower class types.
This is the favored candidate. You will vote for her and you will like it. Everone else is a racist Russian sympathizer or a member of the HeMan-woman-haters-club.
Imagine the shit she'll get away with once she's in charge.
Crime doesn't pay my ass. . .
They had to say something before the convention, so they said no problem. Now the convention is over and the issue hasn't gone away, so they "reopen" the investigation.
In fairness, the FBI can't investigate a parking ticket before the election, but they can do it before Obama leaves office. Assuming they decide she's guilty, the FBI recovers some of its image and Obama can pardon her 2 years before the next national election. He can spin that well enough: "For the sake of our nation, it's time to forgive this minor mistake, put this behind us and unite...." If the Republicans still don't have a viable candidate in 2020, it won't matter if anyone remembers.
Or, the FBI could say no problem again, depending on how afraid they are of a vengeful President Clinton. Better to be an international laughingstock with the US behind you....
Quick conspiracy theory: HRC really is sick, and she's hiding it because she wants to be the first female president. Dying in office is always better than dying out of office, and what do the people or the country matter to her? As a bonus she can propose anything she wants, and not be there when her "legacy" is voted down and her VP embarrassed.
...except for the fact the they aren't Hillary Clinton e-mails, and the FBI is not reopening the investigation.
But "FBI" and "newly" aren't misleading on their own, so I guess it rates as "partly true", right?
Jesus, I can't wait for there to be an ACTUAL scandal some day...
I have a military security clearance. I'd be rotting in Leavenworth if I sent classified email to my personal server. But, some pigs are more equal.
$5 says this investigation disappears after the election (regardless of who wins) and nobody will care.
"Clinton was the second United States President to be impeached after Andrew Johnson" -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
Afraid not, we have copies of a lot of damning stuff thanks to Podesta. And just for comedy, it's coming out that this new FBI investigation came about because they were investigating Democratic Rep. Anthony Wiener (the infamous sexter) who recently divorced Huma Abedin, one of Hillary's closest aids.
Source
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Source (n.b. this is from FBI, not Wikileaks).
The DKIM signatures also say the emails are unmodified and signed by hillaryclinton.com. Feel free to validate them yourselves.
Just for bonus points, here's Hillary talking about how they should've rigged the Palestinian elections.
Listen to Hillary talking about rigging those elections here.
This is a tiny sample from a huge list of damaging emails, too.
There's never been a better time to vote 3rd party.
Here's the laws regarding classified material: U.S. Code Title 18 Part I Chapter 37 Section 798 and Section 793 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793 and U.S. Code Title 18 Part I Chapter 101 Section 2071 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2071
Each of those laws require the actions to be "with intent", "knowingly", "willfully", or by "gross negligence". And "gross negligence" is legally different than plain negligence in that it also requires intent. The reason the FBI closed the investigation and said "no reasonable prosecutor would take the case" is because they found no evidence of intent by Clinton.
Bush Jr? Cheney? Warren G Harding? She mishandled some emails to keep her political strategies out of the hands of her enemies (who were very actively against her). Something even Colin Powel did, and suggested she do too. Bush Jr deleted 22 million emails related to his administration and not a peep. Face it, this is how the sausage is made. Cry me a river, build me a bridge and get over it.
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Nixon deleted 30 seconds of tape and we removed him from office. Hillary deleted 30 thousand emails and we will probably put her IN office! Just doesn't seem right....
when new evidence arrives up to the moment you actually try someone. More emails keep coming up because, surprise, surprise, Hilary & Co send a _lot_ of email. I'm guessing that for the next 4 years every time somebody mentions her in an Email it's going to trigger a multi-million dollar investigation that will find precisely diddley and squat. This is how we do politics. Like she said, this is how the sausage is made.
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Claiming corruption is rampant will never excuse it you evil bastard.
I'd really like to know what all this this "damning" stuff I keep hearing about is exactly (as would the folks who dragged America along on this 20 year long fishing expedition too, I suspect).
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I'm thinking she sent explicit photos of herself to Weiner. Clearly any "reasonable prosecutor" would bring charges against her for that.
because I've yet to find one, and neither did the FBI apparently. I've seen every Hilary's actions compared to various people charged with actively selling secrets to foreign powers as though they're the same thing. But I've yet to see anyone convicted and sentenced for clumsily handling state emails.
What I _have_ seen are emails where Colin Powell acknowledged everyone in Washington does what Hilary did and suggesting she do it to. I also saw Hilary stand up for Powell and double down on taking responsibility for her mistake before the emails he said that in leaked, which was a bit of bad assery that she got zero credit for.
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If you're still a Hillary supporter, it has to be through willful ignorance.
Hands over ears
Eyes closed
Saying, lalalalalalalala
no jury would convict her. Bringing it to trial would be worse than useless. It'd be a gross waste of taxpayer dollars and time. Prosecutors don't bring cases to trial they know they can't win. And as been pointed out these matters are normally handled by the employer when no intent is found, and the employer is the United States people. We'll know where they stand in 11 days.
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this right .
All successful politicians are corrupt. It's how politics work. They work that way _everywhere_. These are the compromises that get made in the real world. You don't have to like it, but if you pretend it's not real you're going to get destroyed. I don't like gravity but it doesn't mean I can fly.
And Hilary's corruption is par for the course. If you find it breathtaking that's because a multi-billion dollar industry with vested interests has been hammering that point home since it became clear she was going to run for president some day.
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+5 isn't enough.
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then this is the most brilliant feint in political history. I don't think anyone that matters cares about the emails anymore. Unless some smoking gun comes out for real this is gonna mean diddly. A whole lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing. On the other hand it'll be a major distraction for the Trump campaign and get them hammering a point home that only their base cares about anymore.
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and that's not cynicism or laziness. There are just some fundamental realities that crop up when you have the broad political coalitions that make up American Politics, particularity the Democratic party. As long as we have money there is going to be money in politics. Long before either Clinton or Trump were allowed to run they were vetted by billionaires (google the phrase "Sheldon Primary").
If you want to end corruption attack wealth inequality and limit the amount of wealth that individuals are allowed to have. If you don't have the stomach for that (most people don't) then you live with the corruption and try to make the best of it. When Hilary and Obama say they're "Progressive" that's what they mean. They're making the best of a bad situation.
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That's absolutely incorrect. Read the statute again: https://www.law.cornell.edu/us...
Note that section (a) uses the word "intent".
Note that section (b) uses the word "intent".
Note that section ( c ) uses the word "knowing".
Note that section (d) uses the word "willfully"
Note that section (e) uses the word "willfully"
Note that section (f)(1) uses the term "gross negligence"
If section (f) required intent, they would have used the word "intent". Reading through the statute, it's obvious that (f) is meant to catch the non-intentional, non-knowing, non-willful extreme carelessness.
Whether or not there's anything to this, the simple fact of the announcement is a big finger on the scale in favor ofTrump, merely by allowing him to change the narrative.
...and get on with the show. Nobody cared the first time, nobody cares now.
Why do we let the media make an election a two way race? There are lots of qualified candidates on the ballot.
If you really want to send a message to both the Democrats and Republicans, use social media, and resolve to exclude them from the top office.
The problem is the bag is simply not big enough to hold all of the wet hot shit Clinton has spent years pouring into it. He held the bag as long as he could before it burst, mostly all over the FBI...
Everything I read about the emails from decent sources indicates this is all a bunch of hype. It's not any worse than most the other politicians and it is certainly not as bad as what Trump gets away with. His tax fraud won't put him in jail either but it sure would do any of us in. The last few secretaries of state did the same sort of stuff and they won't be caught -- or even investigated enough to find similar things. Only 1 person gets investigated for decades with millions of $$$ like this. I'd rather just pick somebody else; however, nobody else has survived this level of propagandized attack. None of it ever goes to trial, that says something... especially when there is often enough biased people involved to get it to trial. It's always political theater and never really gets serious. So I'm not going give it much attention.
I especially didn't like how old info was re-classified after the fact and then turned into a huge scandal because she had emails that were retroactively classified.
I realize Trump is a republican middle finger to the system but I'd prefer not to pick an African style "president" as the means to do that.
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Which must have been when Hillary and crew got there special advance notice this was coming.
Thank goodness Wiener can't keep it in his pants.
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And it comes as no surprise that, after even a small amount of digging, the emails have minimal to nothing to do with Clinton.... the letter was at most a "we're assessing" from Comey... and Republican Jason Chaffetz leaked a misinterpretation of said letter. No wait, lets not be pc: Jason Chaffetz lied like the worthless motherfucker he is.
Why is it that republicans have absolutely no integrity? Worthless lying sacks of shit. You want to know what's wrong in this country.. look no further than these republican pieces of shit who lie every time they open their mouth, and the worthless fucking idiots that believe them.
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Hillary should just get used to never-ending investigations.
Between GOP's doggedness, H's notoriety, and her penchant to be careless about certain things; her legal team's shop should prepare to be open 24/7/365. Double that if she's elected.
Table-ized A.I.
I want my grandkids to be realists. I don't want them sitting in imaginary glass towers waiting for their equally imaginary prince (or princess) charming to come sweep them off their feet. I'm hoping some day we can all live in the real world; warts and all.
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What the hell do I care? She supports single payer health care, increased taxes on the wealthy and is only as hawkish as she needs to be to win over her party's right wing (the Dems are a _lot_ more right wing than people think).
Again, I live in the real world and have to vote for viable candidates. You're not going to get to where Hilary is now without a lot of money and influence. You say she sells influence and ignore her buying it to. She's a politician. A progressive. A real one who gets shit done. Like I keep saying (because it's a great quote): this is how the sausage is made. Either Deal with it, or get the hell out of the way for those of us who can.
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I honestly don't know why people keep getting this wrong... (actually, I do... the liberal media want to blur the law to keep their believers).
Ok... the law doesn't care about INTENT. It's either you did it, or you didn't. She did it. Proof of intent is NOT required.
Don't believe me, read the law.
to vote 3rd party. See here. Please Know what you're getting into with our two third parties. I'll be over here voting for the only politician besides Obama who's made it this far and supports single payer health care.
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The whole thing is a great big bag of nothing.
He's toast. His last name is not Clinton. Different rules apply when you're royalty.
emails have been read by so many people already. I think it's best for my TAX Dollars to be spent wisely, like where did the Trillions of dollar go?
It's ok for the F.B.i. to ready emails during lunch break, but, when they are working. I want them to trace the monies. After all, they are getting paid from our tax dollars. Also, FYI, When you conect to the Enter-Net. You are always downloading ie www.somewebsite.com
U would be downloading lets say, photo.jpeg, News which is copyright material, etc. etc.
Even if F.B.i is trying to upHOld some company's law. Parts of the website is sitting on the HardDrive && the Enter-Net surfer doesn't even know that he's commiting a crime. I think the likes of F.B.i wants us to use a LIVE-Operating-System running from let say, dvd so that no copy-right material is sitting on a hard drive just because they when to that website to read some news or Enews.
Anything to distract from treason
Those aren't your only choices and they still pale in comparison to the major party candidates. I mean, the exotic one-legged gay tiger keeper has nothing on these ads:
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And I'm going to just have to echo Biden's reaction when he found out about Huma's ex-husband being the origin of Weinergate.
Nobody cares about emails.
Do you have news source, as opposed to an entertainment source?
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Specifically I think it's because he did it across state lines.
Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
You, sir or madam, are clearly guilty of unfounded optimism.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
There's a big difference in mishandling classified information that you're allowed to read/access for some sane reason and obtaining classified information you are not allowed to access and have no legitimate use for elsewhere.
It's simply not the same thing. And hardly insightful, I might add.
Otherwise the FBI would stick with the cover story. Nothing short of a ground-shaking event would disprupt the propaganda machine.
Running a private server to circumvent FOIA should have been a deal breaker in the nomination process. There isn't enough lipstick in the world to put a pretty face on this pig.
Anyone who fails to appreciate the size and scope of the problem has no business on a tech blog.
Of course, and that's what warrants FBI's involvement.
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Intent is required. You have to prove gross negligence. Given that virtually _everyone_ in Washington runs these kind of servers you're going to find that damn near impossible. Hell, if they ever did it would be open season on both parties. Yeah, if you want the world to burn that'd be nice. Some of us don't.
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between "take appropriate investigative steps" and reopening an investigation. The latter fires off all sorts of processes and allocates resources to a full scale effort. The former really just means "We're gonna go read some email".
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If it did she would have been charged under USC 18 (for which the standard _is_ gross negligence). This is one of those "Get your facts straight" things. You can disagree with the investigation's conclusions but you can't disagree with what they found. They ran the investigation, not you.
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it's gross negligence, which they didn't find. Not in any legal sense they could prove. If they had they would have charged her.
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473 emails saying "Anthony stop sending me those goddamn pictures"
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Amazing this guy is back in the news. He's the guy that keeps on giving...
Almost a comic's best wish. Tony Weiner in Hillary.. Just works so well. Come back, I'm here all week.
When/If this turns out to be BS I'd say the FBI is WAY past due for a dismantling !
Huma used her hubby Anthony's laptop to do e-mail on Hillary's server...... and apparently failed to disclose the existence of the device and hand it over to the FBI during the Hillary e-mail investigation this past summer (else they would have had it back then and found the sexting with the underage girl back then). There are reports out now that the FBI agents investigating Anthony's raunchy sexting of a 15 year old girl took them to his laptop where thousands of Huma's e-mails were discovered.
Reminder #1: Anthony and Huma are extremely close to the Clintons - Bill and Hillary introduced the couple to each other and Bil presided over their marriage. Huma spends far more time in private with Hillary than even Bill does, and Huma is the personal assistant who carries around Hillary's phones and tablets and who acts as a gatekeeper for Hillary. If Hillary knows something, odds are Huma does too and vice versa; Huma had an account on Hillary's server and was involved in the links between the private IT firm and the state dept IT people.
Reminder #2: Both Huma and Hillary have testified under oath that they turned over all their electronic gadgets and work-related e-mails as well as testifying about a bunch of stuff that might have been in the 30K+ emails that got deleted (copies of which MAY have just been found and which MAY have just exploded into perjury charges).
This could be a big nothing burger, or it could be Hillary's biggest act of political self-immolation in history just beginning to kindle - none of us on the outside can know. What's fairly certain though is that the head of the FBI who was willing to take boatloads of heat over letting Hillary off with her obvious commission of multiple felonies on national TV (she lied under oath numerous times to congress on C-SPAN) and willing to let her off for mis-handling classified info while jailing military personnel for FAR less, is not likely to have wanted to drop this one this close to the election. There's probably something pretty foul that makes it untenable for the agency to not act now in fear of the public backlash if the contents get out after the election.
18 U.S.C. 793 - Gathering, Transmitting Or Losing Defense Information (Felony)
18 U.S.C. 1519 - Destruction, Alteration, Or Falsification Of Records In Federal Investigations And Bankruptcy (Felony)
18 U.S.C. 1924 - Unauthorized Removal And Retention Of Classified Documents Or Material (Misdemeanor)
18 U.S.C. 2071 - Concealment, Removal, Or Mutilation Generally (Felony)
Rudy Giuliani, the former NYC mayor who first became famous as a fearless federal prosecutor taking down mobsters has been keeping a running tally of the laws she has broken and which he has prosecuted people for violating - his list is now up to something like 15. He's no right-wing religious nutjob extremist, he's the guy we all rallied around post-9/11 and who is called "America's Mayor" (he's too far left socially to get the GOP nomination)
Comey and his FBI have a problem just like the feds had a very similar problem in the 1970s:
Anthony Weiner was caught sexting an underage girl, and LOCAL authorities were involved and got their hands on the evidence they need for their local law enforcement activity. In the early 1970s, LOCAL law enforcement caught a few burglers in the Watergate hotel. In Weiner's case, the locals surely looked at all the stuff on the laptop and found stuff related to the federal government, the presidency, national security etc. In the case of Watergate, the locals searched the burglers and found the business card for a White House official.
In both cases, the situation indirectly involved a sitting president and in both cases the feds were unable to control it because evidence was in the hands of local authorities.
In the case of Watergate, the administration tried using part of the government to suppress the local investigation in order to limit the political damage, but this ended with the "saturday night massacre" when some feds refused to go along. Ultimately, there was no way to keep it bottled up because the locals has evidence.
In the current case, former President Bill Clinton had a meeting with A.G. Lynch on her plane on the tarmac way out in Arizona and Lynch was offered a job in the Hillary admin (this was published in the NYT) and Clinton family fixer Terry McAuliffe poured $600K+ into the political campaign of the wife of the lead FBI investigator - then the FBI declined to recommend prosecution. Unfortunately for Hillary, however, the locals have evidence (thanks to Weiner's proclivities) that ties into that investigation the feds buried back in July and there is now possibly no way to contain the problem.
Comey probably realizes he is now in a trap, having run a sham "investigation" back in the summer on behalf of his Obama administration masters (No Grand Jury, no search warrants for and collection of typical evidence from homes and businesses, no actual interrogations with follow-up questions etc) he thought he'd buried this thing but now a team of sex offender type investigators in a local police force have their own set of evidence from the case he tried to bury. If he were to not notify congress now, he could be in a world of hurt later.
If the charity really is spending that money on charitable causes, and not on anything Clinton benefits from except to the extent that her name is on the charity, then that particular issue (not necessarily others) would look pretty damn benign to me. You have to have an ounce of perspective and priority in these things... there are a thousand things we should worry about before we get concerned that someone is contributing to a legitimate charity.
Here, I'll spend 5 minutes on Google, why not. Ok, so this is the charity in question.
Charitable grants are not a major focus of the Clinton Foundation, which instead keeps most of its money in house and hires staff to carry out its own humanitarian programs [source from Polififact]
Grants might be a shady way to funnel money out of the charity but if it's mostly kept in-house that makes it a harder to abuse.
The foundation appears to be involved in healthcare, disaster relief, climate change, and economic growth,
It's worth noting that the donation in question appears to have been exclusively to the Clinton Foundation, not the Clinton Family Foundation, which is more privately held and guarded.
So no, on the whole this doesn't particularly strike me as being a very damning case of corruption. You want to fight corruption? Start with zero political donations from legal entities that are not individuals, and all donations must be public. Money shouldn't be treated as "free speech". That's the overriding issue here.
What are you, six? It doesn't have to be that at all. I could have looked at all the things that supposedly make her evil and decided they aren't a big fucking deal. Maybe I don't give two shits about some stupid emails. Maybe I couldn't care less if some hajji gets a hellfire missile up his ass during his wedding. Not all of us liberals are tree hugging, kumbaya singing, super hippies. Some of us just want to be left the fuck alone just like most of you really paranoid conservatives. Just like we don't need to know how many guns you have, you don't need to know where I holster my gun at. But you just won't leave shit alone and if you aren't then we aren't either. It's that simple. You assholes want trump so damned bad so I am going to do my damnedest to make sure you don't get him. It's payback for locking congress down, shutting the fucking government down multiple times, wasting how many millions on repeated failed attempts at repealing the ACA. It's payback because you want to torture women psychologically and physically by forcing them to watch abortion videos, carry a dead baby for months so it can be delivered "naturally", and make them have a kid they can't take care of but you yourself won't take into your own home. It's payback for worrying about where I shit, who I fuck, and treating me like garbage because you have a malfunctioning brain. It's for you racist bastards acquitting and praising a bunch of gun toting white rednecks who illegally conquered and held public property by use of force, and yet at the very same time shooting blacks and natives who are doing the very same thing yet with no weaponry. You're goddamned hypocrites every one of ya! No, not all of us liberals are shiny happy people. We got as many assholes as you do and we like a heaping helping of vengeance, retribution, and humiliation as much as you fuckers do.
since none of the emails would be admissible. They were almost certainly obtained under a warrant to search for emails related to the sexting case. It's highly unlikely that he was using her email account to send sexy text messages to 15 year olds. That means the FBI most likely used the warrant for searching Anthony's email account to search his wife's email account (since it's already been established they didn't have a warrant to search for more Clinton emails). It's either that or his wife knew about the sexting the whole time (since he would have been using her account) which is damn unlikely.
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The FBI will come out with their determination on November 9th comma one day too late to keep that crazy bitch out of office
Since they are dealing with a laptop and electronic documents, rather than reams of printed paper Hillary delivered the first time.
They just use different language. Instead of "rigged", use the words "voter suppression".
Except voter suppression IS are real thing - or there would be nothing for courts to overturn. Again and again and again...
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I mean... either those laws WERE voter repression... or it's a secret conspiracy buy judges in various US states against the Republican party's attempts to... hmm...
Wait... hold on... there must be a way to paint this as a conspiracy against old white conservatives instead of the people they are actively trying to keep from voting.
But why even bother with that... when "UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE FOURTH CIRCUIT" puts it so much more succinctly:
After years of preclearance and expansion of voting access, by 2013 African American registration and turnout rates had finally reached near-parity with white registration and turnout rates. African Americans were poised to act as a major electoral force.
But, on the day after the Supreme Court issued Shelby County v. Holder, 133 S. Ct. 2612 (2013), eliminating preclearance obligations, a leader of the party that newly dominated the legislature (and the party that rarely enjoyed African American support) announced an intention to enact what he characterized as an âoeomnibusâ election law.
Before enacting that law, the legislature requested data on the use, by race, of a number of voting practices.
Upon receipt of the race data, the General Assembly enacted legislation that restricted voting and registration in five different ways, all of which disproportionately affected African Americans.
In response to claims that intentional racial discrimination animated its action, the State offered only meager justifications.
Although the new provisions target African Americans with almost surgical precision, they constitute inapt remedies for the problems assertedly justifying them and, in fact, impose cures for problems that did not exist.
Oh... and by the way... while you're cherry picking through wikipedia... You do know that other people can read that and point out that your worm is showing?
I mean... I'm not even talking about you quoting THIS as a proof.
Earl Mazo, a reporter for the pro-Nixon New York Herald Tribune, investigated the voting in Chicago and "claimed to have discovered sufficient evidence of vote fraud to prove that the state was stolen for Kennedy."[43]
Which IS proof, but only for the paranoid conspiracy theory bias among Republicans.
I'm talking about you failing to read the full section. Like this part.
In Illinois, Schlesinger and others have pointed out that, even if Nixon had carried Illinois, the state alone would not have given him the victory, as Kennedy would still have won 276 electoral votes to Nixon's 246 (with 269 needed to win).
More to the point, Illinois was the site of the most extensive challenge process, which fell short despite repeated efforts spearheaded by Cook County state's attorney, Benjamin Adamowski, a Republican, who also lost his re-election bid.
Despite demonstrating net errors favoring both Nixon and Adamowski (some precinctsâ"40% in Nixon's caseâ"showed errors favoring them, a factor suggesting error, rather than fraud), the totals found fell short of reversing the results for either
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