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'Star Trek: Discovery' Premieres Tonight (ew.com)
An anonymous reader quotes EW.com:
Tonight CBS will premiere the first new Star Trek TV series in 12 years at 8:30 p.m. on the company's regular broadcast network. Immediately afterward, the second episode of Star Trek: Discovery will stream exclusively on CBS All Access -- the company's $6 per month streaming service... CBS saw an opportunity to leverage the built-in popularity of Star Trek to help fuel its fledgling All Access streaming service. The service currently has about 1 million subscribers and the company's goal is to grow it to 4 million by 2020...
But once fans watch Discovery, they'll notice the show's production values aren't like a typical broadcast show, but more reminiscent of a premium cable or streaming show. CBS was able to justify spending a bit more money on Discovery since it's going onto the paid tier. Sometimes, you really do get what you pay for.
The Los Angeles Times reports each episode costs $8 million -- though Netflix is paying $6 million for each episode's international broadcast rights. The show's main title sequence has been released, and the Verge reports that the show is set before the original 1966 series (but after Star Trek: Enterprise) along with some other possible spoilers.
Space.com asked one of the show's actors who his favorite Star Trek captain was. "I mean, Kirk," answered James Frain, who plays the Vulcan Sarek in Discovery. "That's like, 'Who's your favorite James Bond?', and if you don't say 'Sean Connery,' really? Come on."
But once fans watch Discovery, they'll notice the show's production values aren't like a typical broadcast show, but more reminiscent of a premium cable or streaming show. CBS was able to justify spending a bit more money on Discovery since it's going onto the paid tier. Sometimes, you really do get what you pay for.
The Los Angeles Times reports each episode costs $8 million -- though Netflix is paying $6 million for each episode's international broadcast rights. The show's main title sequence has been released, and the Verge reports that the show is set before the original 1966 series (but after Star Trek: Enterprise) along with some other possible spoilers.
Space.com asked one of the show's actors who his favorite Star Trek captain was. "I mean, Kirk," answered James Frain, who plays the Vulcan Sarek in Discovery. "That's like, 'Who's your favorite James Bond?', and if you don't say 'Sean Connery,' really? Come on."
If it ain't on Amazon or Comcast, I'm not watching it. Not gonna pay monthly fees for yet another streaming service just to watch one TV show.
But which identity group the characters belong to that matters. Welcome to grievance hell - paid version.
... the footballs games don't run late and all the DVRs miss the new start time. Sunday evening on CBS is The Worst Time for TV shows to air.
Prove my signature wrong. Don't just be Trump-bashing, white male hatred, Mary Sue Wonderwomen, race-baiting, etc.
Enterprise didn't set the bar very high. So all you have to do is not suck. Can you manage at least THAT?
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Seriously... Why does every main character *have*to be a minority woman? This liberal SJW crap probably ruined what could have been a great show.
The other day I looked at the web site for the CBS streaming service and as far as I could tell it flat out refuses to tell you how much it costs per month. Now here, right in the summary, is the critical information CBS refused to part with.
They pull another Enterprise out of their asses and retroactively insert it into the timeline...?
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Genre: Science Fiction, Drama
Premise: Created by Bryan Fuller and Alex Kurtzman for CBS All Access, the story of ``Star Trek: Discovery'' begins roughly a decade before Captain Kirk's five-year mission -- as portrayed in the original ``Star Trek'' from the 1960s -- and a century before the events of ``Star Trek: Enterprise.'' The series follows the crew of the USS Discovery as they encounter new worlds and civilizations, delving into familiar themes and expanding upon an incident that has been talked about within the franchise's universe, but never fully explored.
Time for something *new*. I can't be the only one tired of reboots and sequels. Where are the fresh ideas?
I am more likely to move to Australia to watch this than I am to subscribe to CBS streaming pile of whatever. This whole exclusive streaming content wars for not eyeballs, but consumer dollars is not doing the overall media industry any good.
I was going to watch it but since I would have to pay to watch any more why bother wasting my time.
I use to be upset when cable providers were dropping networks in disputes over fees. Now I'm in favor of everyone dropping CBS.
Put it on showtime!!!
It's SJW garbage. They're not getting a penny from me.
It's not going to happen. Show is STD.
They managed to find a couple minutes of very good footage, so I'll give it a watch.
I don't have high expectations. I still remember Voyager when every episode I asked myself why haven't the crew or the maqui killed Janeway by the end.
Then there was Enterprise that had that lousy theme song that was just plain irritating.
Or next generation where picard tried to talk everyone to death.
Maybe they can get another DS-9 not going to hold my breath.
They gave her a ship to Captain that was named after a Minivan...
So much for advancing womens roles in society.
Is that number accurate - and is that a million paid subscribers? If so, I'm quite surprised.
But, in any case, our household will not be included in that group.
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As thought thousands of die hard Star Wars fans rejoiced in one voice, then laughed at their Trek friends, then went back to Cheetos and video games.
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Unless it's at least R rated with fully nude green alien women on stripper poles.
In GOD we trust, all others we monitor.
I'll wait until several seasons pass (if they're lucky!) before checking out the DVD and/or Bluray releases from the library.
Honestly from what little I've seen it doesn't seem very appealing.
I mean, what did they do with the Klingons, turn them into two legged upright dragons?
Horrible.
Even the actor who played Worf has better ideas:
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Ho-hum. I'll be over here enjoying the superior The Orville.
the first hit is free and then it's dollars all the way down!
"I've been waiting for you..."
IMO this dist. method is very anti-Federation. Haven't the Federation moved beyond the need to purchase goods on Earth?
I like Star Wars better than Star Trek, but I really enjoy both.
I've often wondered, are there really a lot of people who just like one or the other? I've not really seen any evidence of that among my friends either.
Basically the majority of us just enjoy a good story (and sometimes just awesome special effects for the heck of it), and just want something either enjoyable or thought provoking (or both) to watch. I think most of us judge individual efforts set in any Sci-Fi Fi universe against these simple metrics...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
How do you expect CBS to broadcast EVERY SHOW THEY HAVE in existence with in a 24 hour broadcast period, on one channel?
If they really cared about their audience their captain would be half man half woman, and a mixture of various breeds of human. This would also include:
Cross-eyed? Check.
Bound to a wheelchair? Check
On an Anti-Depressant? Check
I mean, instead of like Voyager where you have a chick for a captain, a black guy as a vulcan and so on, you can shoot 50 birds with 1 stone and introduce characters who each have mixtures of races, sexes, disabilities what have you.
I want a flaming homosexual as chief engineer, always hiding in tubes and wrestling with hot oil with other flaming homosexuals while he diverts his workload to his thirsty homosexual students.
I want a woman who is a Chinese acrobat midget as first officer.
Wait, Enterprise took place before TOS. That timeline doesnâ(TM)t even begin to add up.
Doubling down on crappy looking Klingons
Trailers filled with NOTHING but weapons fire and CG overload
gay/trans/ethnic political bullshit turned up to 11
I have to pay to see the rest of a TV series
If I pay to see the rest of a TV series I should expect to be rewarded with spyware installed on whatever I'm watching from.
CBS all access privacy policy says:
"Websites or other services you visited before and after visiting a CBS Interactive Services"
"Information about your interactions with audio and video content, such as the type of content listened to (including music applications such as iTunes, Spotify and Last.fm) and content viewed, and information about your interactions with email messages, such as the links clicked on and whether the messages were opened or forwarded;"
"Upon request, your bandwidth speed and information about the software programs installed on your computer including registry key information; and"
So basically if you watch Star trek you should assume spyware will be installed on whatever your watching it from to spy on EVERYTHING you do even if it has NOTHING to do with CBS all access.
This will be the first star trek I don't even bother watching even out of curiosity.
Too bad CBS hates Star Trek so much it felt it needed to teach it a lesson.
The future is gonna be great, get over it.
Yawn.
for a rehashed program that you know will be nothing but social commentary 100% of the time, there's always magnetic links.
When will Blake's 7 come back ?
Who would do it properly ?
I tuned in all I see is Oprah at a table with obese people talking about Trump.
I just found out today that Fox moved Seth McFarlane's Star Trek spoof to Thursday - that's two episodes I have missed!!!!
...there IS a reason for CBS All Access, to stream those shows.
Between the goddamn camera circling circling circling around everyone - HOLD STILL - and the nonstop JJAbramsLensFlares I've already decided No Thanks.
And it is far better than whatever swill will come out of either Trek or Wars in the next ten years.
Face it, Trek and Wars had their period, and now it is time to pass the torch to their replacements, whether lampooning their plotlines (Orville covers Trek, and Tenchi Muyo covered Wars 10-25 years ago... With a bickering and possessive harem, not just a harem girl outfit!) or taking a serious alternative look at the future and delving into topics, whether hard sci-fi, or pop sci-fi that reflect on our current values and what our future values might be.
Captcha was 'Impotent' as in 'CBS's new show, Discovery is impotent, being part of a 60 year old franchise.. without James Doohan's libido.)
What a piece of crap this is.
It seems Discovery was off to a rocky start, delayed by almost 30 minutes, as for some reason, 60 Minutes was still airing with "Star Trek Discovery" overlaid through CBS's all access app and site.
Who is general failure, and why is he reading my hard drive?
These are the redundant and unnecessary voyages of Yet Another Fucking Starship. It's five minute mission: to explore strange new business models... to seek out new ways of squeezing money out of audiences... to boldly make money like no other sad, tired retread has before! Whoa ohhhhh oh oh oh oh ohh.... oh oh-oh oh oh ohhhhhh, oh oh OH! oh oh oh oh oh... oh oh oh oh oh wah, wah oh, oh oh oh OH OH ... oh hell no... No-o-o- thank youuuuuuuu!
Think I'll pass. Especially if they want money, since you know, they don't USE money in the 23rd century... (which begs several questions...) but I digress. Thanks, I think I'll READ. Or I'll just wait until Family Guy or South Park parodies it. (That's seriously how I found out what the hell the Red Wedding was.)
A pop-culture story has to introduce it's protagonist and get you invested in his struggles quickly; until then its living on borrowed time.
This pilot wasted a lot of time and crucial early scenes, in part I think giving in to same temptation that got George Lucas on Phantom Menace: showing off what you can do with an unlimited budget. There is dialog in the ST:Discovery pilot that exists solely to to stretch out SFX shots. J.J. Abrams has said that he found Star Trek pacing slow, but I disagree; it just took a long time to get to the action scene. That time was taken up with drama. On this pilot that time is taken up with furniture.
The director also made the unfortunate decision to shoot much of the pilot in the Klingon language with English subtitles. This isn't at all like watching, say a Japanese movie with English subtitles. Japanese is a real language that evolved to fill human needs. Klingon was designed by professional linguists to sound alien, and it works well enough for saying things like "Fire all disruptors!" But it was painful to watch actors struggling to emote through heavy prosthetics while forcing their tongues to perform inhuman phonetic acrobatics. That meant that you got almost the entire sense of the scene through the subtitles. Also by overexposing the Klingons so early they seem less threatening. We know too much about what's going on (having read a lot of subtitles), but none of it adds to the suspense or drama of the story.
Altogether this is hot mess. Often TV shows have difficulty launching while spoon feeding viewers all the information they know, but despite the sumptuous visuals this one wasn't competently put together.
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It's continuing mission is to WTF... did I just watch? CBS expects people to pay to see a whole season of this garbage?
It wouldn't be worth it even if enterprise were destroyed in E2, everyone died and .. "HA HA FOOLED U!!!" flashed on the screen before real pilot of star trek reboot started playing.
CBS needs to immediately cancel this garbage and publically apologize for wasting everyone's time.
My time is far too valuable to waste it with SJW propaganda. I'd rather lie on the floor and stare at the ceiling.
I agree that CBS Sunday night == kiss of death.
I quit watching the Mentalist when it moved to Sunday night, because I didn't want to have to put up with it being bumped by NFL, even though it was by far my favorite show at the time. I plan to finish watching it on Netflix at some point now that the series is over, but I just haven't gotten around to it.
(Dear CBS, I'll DVR and watch the last 1-2 seconds of your commercials if you show it any other night of the week, but padding the recording for NFL overr-runs makes Sunday night too much hassle, so I'll just wait and watch the show on Netflix without any commercials in a few years.)
it was actually a decent watch. Last scene was great :P
is science officer wtf?
I saw the premiere tonight and I have trouble imagining a worse premiere. There seemed to be more commercial time than program time, and if you wanted to see the second half of the show, you had to to some Mickey Mouse internet thing to view it. Really, really sad. (And what I did see of the actual program relied on special effects too much and not on plot/acting.) Will not miss the program.
Pilots are often pretty bad or at least really awkward. I found The Cage (first, rejected TOS pilot) and even Where No Man Has Gone Before (second TOS pilot) to be awkward. There were several casting changes after both and the actors hadn't quite figured out how to play their characters in those episodes. The first episode to air was The Man Trap, which was pretty creepy, but not all that great, either. Both of the pilots (though perhaps not The Man Trap) were better than TNG's Encounter At Farpoint, which was slow and awkward, and not particularly entertaining most of the time. I don't share the disdain many have for the first two seasons of TNG, because they're the most TOS-like, and do have some interesting stories (especially Q Who). But the pilot was lousy.
My recommendation would be to give this show a chance beyond the pilot episode. Plenty of shows start slow and get much better very quickly. The biggest problem here is that you have to pay to see anything after the pilot. Unless you really want to watch something else on CBS All Access, you're spending $6 that may or may not be worth it at all. CBS has space on their schedule to squeeze in a couple more episodes of Discovery. Just show a couple less repeats of NCIS: LA in the fall, like they always do when new episodes aren't airing that week. They could have even done so tonight instead of airing repeats of NCIS:LA and Madam Secretary because their new seasons haven't premiered yet. This is about using the Star Trek brand to try to push people to subscribe to CBS All Access, which isn't doing all that well.
I think there's hope Discovery gets quite a bit better in later episodes. Unfortunately, you have to pay to find out.
So I already got a subscription to all or most of AT&T's Uverse's premium sports and movie channels, plus Netflix, plus Amazon prime. Now I find out that I need to buy one more subscription, through an entirely separate billing system just to watch one CBS show? Hello?
I understand that people wanted to have stuff a la carte, but the way I understand it, a la carte works best as a pay-per-view service through either the cable company, or amazon, or a similar centralized streaming service. No one wants to deal with a dozen different streaming sites and a dozen bills, one for every show I want to see. I guess I'll just wait until this show hits the Netflix after a while.
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Star Trek: TOS had 2 pilots. The second one actually sold the show.
Anyone who wants this show to survive the first season should hope for a reboot of that tradition.
Which would probably be the first SENSIBLE reboot in the recent past.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
The problem is that every Star Trek after the original had a weak first season and only survived because of the rabid Trek fans that would watch them no matter what.
That's simply not true anymore.
Enough said.
To put the first episode on broadcast then to pay service? For those of us who do not have a lot of means to buy all of these services and totally rely on broadcast with an indoor antenna.
CBS doesn't care about poor people.
Klingons can make for dramatic viewing, e.g., Christopher Lloyd. But these didn't talk like real (i.e. Niven-influenced) Klingons. I believe one declined the opportunity to die gloriously, and even the leader used phrases like "be a part of something larger than yourself."
Except for the new twist on the Vulcan/Human hybrid being more human, this was a complete waste. Sorry CBS, I am not paying 1 cent to watch this.
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As I recall from the "Making of Star Trek" the original episodes in 1966 dollars cost $180,000. These cost $8 million.
There ya go!
Steve
I actually tuned in to see what I thought. I kept switching between that and a TNG episode I have seen before. Good job hollywood - you blew it again!
Yet another virtue signaling pile of poo.
I watched most of it on network tv off the air.
The ratio of show to commercial seemed about 1 to 2.
PBS had a nice history thing on the next channel, so most of the commercial time went there.
If that hadn't been there I don't think I would have made it to the end of Star Trek.
I thought network tv had a place still because each new season brings new content.
But they have completely broken the deal of a little commercial to watch a show.
They are making a DVR necessary to watch.
Definitely not worth it as is even though it's 'free'.
Network TV really needs to think about what they are doing if they want to stay around.
The advertisers and Star Trek franchise needs to think about who they work with as well.
Really a sad story.
Well, Lloyd's make-up was less ambitious, and he didn't have to deliver his lines like a first year French student asking the way to the library. You'll note that in the movie the character Kruge uses Klingon in the movie only for battle scenes, and then seamlessly switches to English for scenes of dramatic conflict. This is how storytelling works, you require the audience's participation to make the magic. You establish that the characters are speaking Klingon and then you switch to English for scenes that require emotional nuance, and the audience goes along with it. In fact most don't even give the illogicality of the change a second thought.
I get what the Discovery writers were trying to do with Klingons. They were trying to say that Klingons are individuals who differ from each other in both their interpretation of and devotion to Klingon cultural ideals. But in order to make a version of the Klingons that looked more convincing than any yet put on screen, they took away the actors' most important tools in portraying individuality.
I appreciate the series attempting to add to and rationalize disparities in the Klingon mythos created by generations of writers and makeup artists. But to carry that off they needed strong performances, ideally great ones. But you can't do that this way. You could put Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan in that make-up and made them deliver their lines in Klingon, and the scene would fall flat.
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Sisko beats all the other captains for one reason.
Q: You hit me! Picard never hit me!
Sisko: I'm not Picard.
FTFY.
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#NotStarTrek
Openings are often awkard, but The Cage was a lot better than The Vulcan Hello as storytelling.
The Cage even has a Trekian theme, which is the creative tension between primitive emotion and intellect. The Talosians have evolved beyond primitive emotions, only to find that an evolutionary dead-end.
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There is no Star Trek anything anymore, just 'Star Trek artificially flavored' productions. Won't even watch it for free, I got better things to be doing.
The entire episode's "production values" looked like a video game to me, and the writing was just as shallow.
No way I'm paying for an entire, pointless streaming service just to watch COD8: The Final Frontier. I can tune to PewtiePie for that.
And why the hell involve Sarek from canon? Sarek is Spock's dad, not {func_rnd}'s dad when they feel like it.
She's 100% human -- adopted by Sarek and Amanda.
I might pay if this was a reboot of Farscape.
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If you have to open with a shooting war, I much prefer "Emissary," the premiere of DS9.
They make Sisko sympathetic right off the bat as he desperately tries to escape his ship before it explodes, losing his wife and saving his son. Then basically telling Picard to his face, "I hate your guts." Then strong-arming Quark into staying on the station, they did an excellent job of defining his character (and the others) in that opener.
In "Discovery" I felt like I'd already been introduced to all the characters in other shows, they were so cliched.
why did they give the Klingons a make over? It was explained why they looked different in TOS to any of the other series but are we really expected to believe that in 10 years they go from looking like they do in Discovery to humans with long mustaches (as they were portrayed in the original Trek). I could maybe believe this if the original series had some mention of the Klingons changing their appearance but to go from how they look in Discovery to the typical earth human look of the original series and everyone in the original series acting as if this is how they have always looked seems a bit of a stretch for only a 10 year gap.
There are other problems that I have with Discovery but the Klingon appearance was especially jarring for me.
Thank you for that quote! I find the folks complaining Star Trek is too "liberal" and using the acronym SJW have never really been fans of the original series or TNG. What the heck did they think the show was about?
Frankly, if there is an afterlife and they are able to watch TV there, I think Gene is waiting for the next episode of The Orville with great anticipation.
Yeah, so this is a place for nerds, right? Well, there is a point where it goes too far.
I like Star Trek--all of them except the reboot. I watched Discovery this Sunday, and was disappointed. It focused so much on the nerdy details that it lost a lot of story telling value. For example, none of the other series had ALL of the Klingon dialog in actual Klingon, with subtitles. It just doesn't need to be that canonically correct.
but my favourite captain is picard and my fav bond is brosnan. so i am pretty sure i will hate this trek.
Han Solo shoots first... and so do Vulcans. I did not know Han was trained in the ways of Vulcans.
ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI!?
Is it a real Star Trek, reminiscent of GR's vision, or is it a star wars wannabe? Will it treat issues with any even hand, or push a certain agenda?
I love Star Trek, I own everything except the cartoon series, and I can get that on Netflix, and the latest movie that I will skip. I loved the thought provoking issues that were usually offered up as a chance to talk after the show or in the ad breaks, rather than push propaganda.
After Gene died it stayed the course for a while, but increasingly became just a story, and when social issues came up it became a pulpit. This seemed to coincide with the maligning of Vulcans. It seemed like the show deliberately mocked the logic and intelligence, perhaps wanting the audience to stop thinking too.
If it is like that, my love of Star Trek will remain a nostalgia I will cherish, not a new show I will watch.
So far I've only seen the first of the two released episodes . But I have to say, this show is just a mess. It's logically inconsistent constantly, the overall pacing is crap, the lead is so much of a Mary Sue that it's embarrassing (no character should have more than 2 Deus Ex Machina to explain her), the physical affects look like badly lit FarScape, it throws out pretty much all preexisting canon, and it has several points at where they get basic science wrong. Two words: Lightspeed Lag
Now not to be a complete downer... what they got right: Well sadly not a lot. One quite positive thing is that for once ship orientation is a concern. And the actual ship designs do actually look pretty decent. But honestly, that's about all I can give it.
To me: Star Trek really kind of died when Abrams got a hold of it. Discovery was the one real last chance I thought we could give it. But if this is what we should expect then it's time to let the franchise face into memory. Because this show is just crap. And if it gets more season than Enterprise did it'll be a miracle.
So THAT was the best they could come up with to accomplish it? A woman captain isn't a new idea, but an Oriental one is. A black second-in-command... who is also a woman. That's new, but why does it always have to be about race and/or sex? Are there no other original ideas? (Note: Klingons aren't a new idea, and neither is changing their appearance... as we all know) Oh Gene, where are you when we need you :-)
Other than casting a female (Is what's her name trans?) as a male character and a couple 'childhood' scenes with a rather manly vulcan haircut, there wasn't much to relate that to all the trans-character hype.
Having said that, the dialogue seemed downright condescending in how it spoke out to the audience, rather than fitting better into the actual *SCENE* and the dialogue you would expect between for instance two characters who were supposed to have BEEN TOGETHER FOR *7 YEARS*. And the whole mutiny bullshit seemed unlikely. Plus the speaking computer and its level of sophistication seemed to outshine the technlogy available in 'real' TOS rather than Abrams TOS, at which point what is the purpose. I agree with someone else who said they would have preferred a post DS9/Voyager series, in part so they could have continued evolving the technology that had been developed in that timeline, rather than retconning the majority of it much earlier in, along with ships that looked far too sleek for what TOS set out for each alien race during that time period.
Personally I enjoyed the story in that more than the post '00 Trek or Star Wars media, and The Orville seems like the 'show' half of that without the 'cast are really actors' half of the movie.
Honestly I wish there was a push for more *cheap* sci-fi shows. Stuff pushing 500k/episode budgets or less. Not 'let's seem how much over a million an episode we can go'. If there was more focus on lower budgets maybe we could see more shows that were worthwhile that didn't get cancelled in the first couple of years, and then maybe we could see staff and actors who stayed on longer as the audience matures and/or grows so that they can have a slightly better salary while riding the show to an acceptable conclusion for all involved, leaving the door open for movies, a continuation series, or spinoffs based around open ended plot threads, individual characters who grew into a story of their own, etc.
The best solution would really be crowdfunded series doing this, but given the number of attempts at crowdfunded or donation-based series that haven't hit their low 'recoup our costs' bars, in the 30k-100k per series or episode budgets, I can't foresee that happening in the near future. :(
and showing Kirk whose been cuck'd on the bridge :)
Roddenberry's son is a corporate tool without much understanding of what his dad envisioned or discussed with Star Trek. I don't remember the specifics but there are a number of quotes from him that should clear up just how un-Treklike he is. I'm not sure if this was due to his dad not spending enough time with him as a kid, just his own personal view of the world, his mother's influence (go look at all the stuff Majel Barrett-Roddenberry got marketed of his after he died... Earth: Final Conflict, Andromeda, others.)
Regardless to say, Trek started dying of cancer alongside Roddenberry back in the 90s, and the cancer has finally consumed it today.
Don't underestimate the importance of writing, even in Klingon. I seem to recall some quite dramatic lines delivered in Klingon; but they have to be lines that a true Klingon would speak. These Klingons were less authentic than the imitation on The Orville.