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President Trump: 'We Have To Do Something' About Violent Video Games, Movies (arstechnica.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: In a White House meeting held with lawmakers on the theme of school safety, President Donald Trump offered both a direct and vague call to action against violence in media by calling out video games and movies. "We have to do something about what [kids are] seeing and how they're seeing it," Trump said during the meeting. "And also video games. I'm hearing more and more people say the level of violence on video games is shaping more and more people's thoughts." Trump followed this statement by referencing "movies [that] come out that are so violent with the killing and everything else." He made a suggestion for keeping children from watching violent films: "Maybe they have to put a rating system for that." The MPAA's ratings board began adding specific disclaimers about sexual, drug, and violent content in all rated films in the year 2000, which can be found in small text in every MPAA rating box.
How about appropriately blaming the Police and FBI that ignored multiple blatant opportunities to catch that nutjob. Heck, he used his real name to threaten school shootings online, and one of his relatives called the FBI tip line in January.
Get off my lawn you damn kids!!
There are violent movies and video games in other countries and they don't have the same issues with gun violence.
It is literally hilarious that you elected this uninformed numpty as your president. Bound to end well for everyone I bet.
but perhaps the one we deserve. It is a democracy after all.
The 80's called, they want Tipper Gore back.
at the cost of the first!?
Never mind that numerous studies have been done showing that video games and movies don't have any impact on the behavior of normal, well-adjusted people, only people who already have mental illnesses or mental deficiences to start with, oh no! If Trump is going to ignore science on so many other issues then why the ever-loving fuck wouldn't he ignore the science on this issue, too? Anyone want to lay bets that Pence is as much behind this as possible, too?
1st amendment issues with any kind of censorship and then there is the 2th amendment issues after that.
I'm so glad my president always ensures he's well-informed about the topics he offers his opinions on.
"Maybe they have to put a rating system for that."
Uh, they have a rating system. Been in place for a long damn time now, not quite show how the hell Trump could have not known this.
If he's looking for more than that, there's an easy answer. It's called Parenting.
He's going to continue to mess things up instead of tackling any real issues as it goes against his base.
We're not going to regulate guns like we do cars. There's just no stomach for it. Even without the NRA money you've got millions of single issue voters.
I don't think folks have thought much about what an effective universal background check would look like. We can't just look at their criminal record. Most (all?) of these shooters didn't have one. We'd have to start looking at their mental health records (which would discourage anyone who likes guns from seeking help) and their social media posting. If we're going to go that far that means we have to have someone make decisions about who's allowed to have guns and who isn't. Are we going to do jury trials for every failed background check? Or are we going to have judges or maybe appointees (aka un-elected bureaucrats) make those decisions? How do I restore my gun rights after I've (effectively) lost them?
When you read that 97% of Americans support background checks nobody realizes there's a lot of variations in what a "background check" entails...
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On one side: anti-Trump spergs who will oppose this on the mere fact that it came from the stable genius.
On the other side: anti-GamerGate spergs who want to SJWify all the games.
I won't call him President, he doesn't deserve the title. A man of all bark and no bite. Lots of talk, no action. He'll stop talking about this shooting in less than a week and be onto the next subject thinking just by stating "we need to do something" his will has been accomplished.
He's listening to Fox News, his main source of information along with many 100s of other uniformed people. Hey Ben Carson, everyone knows you know nothing about housing or really anything outside of being a neurosurgeon, but what do you think about gun violence? How about North Korea? Because I know you're not the expert, but you know, I like, really value the appearance of me appearing to listen to and accept the opinion of a black man. It makes me think I look good to real humans.
We need some moral balance in our american way of life. Guns are not the problem, we need more of them. They are an incredible tool to prevent crimes. But the problem are deranged mentaly unstable individuals. Psychology plays the biggest role in those crimes. We need America with strong traditionnal families, teaching great values, having the means to defend themselves, remove immorality from our homes.
More guns. Less morally bankrupt medias. Less SJW agenda being pushed to destroy the core of our values.
just take away people's guns, they've proven time and time again they're not adult enough to know how to use them properly
Lets throw heavy metal music and rap music on the pile too. And don't forget the evils of role playing games.... We've all seen the comics warning of that evil. THE EVIL!!!!!
Or, you know, we could just allow some scientists to actually study the gun violence in our country so we could have an intelligent debate with actual facts and findings involved.
He said he's going to do it, so that means he's NOT going to do it, right?
Build the wall, Mexico will pay - No wall built, Mexico not paying.
Lock her up - Hasn't locked her up.
Drain the swamp - Created more swamp.
"No Collusion" - There was definite collusion.
Trump will blame anything but the guns. The research is done on games, just like climate change. but he needs another bullshit excuse to avoid pissing off the NRA. They are his only god, so much for his thoughts and prayers. He only thinks of manna from heaven, where his god lives.
I guess countries with low gun violence don't consume violent media. I...can't believe that even he would try to sell this idiotic chestnut. This predates "thoughts and prayers" as the go-to do-nothing policy. Seriously, AGAIN with this?
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When you read that 97% of Americans support background checks nobody realizes there's a lot of variations in what a "background check" entails...
If someone is too dangerous to own a gun, why are they allowed to roam the streets? If someone has served their sentence for committing a crime, shouldn't they have their rights restored to them after that?
Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
Just do some casual searching on the links between SSRIs (or any psychotropic medications) and mass/school shootings.
You're gonna find a lot more there than fscking video games. These dipshits at Big Pharma know dick about what these drugs do, yet that doesn't stop them from incentivizing a General Practitioner from giving em out like candy to any kid going through an emotional disturbance.
Give an SSRI to someone with bipolar, wait for the mania to kick in, and you've got Mount Fucking Vesuvius on your hands. Just life-destroying shit.
I've seen those d-bag Big Pharma salesmen at the doc's office. There's not enough molten spike tortures in Hell for them.
Of course, the question is "Which state in the USA has the highest population, excluding California, Texas, Florida, and New York?"
If you ask a silly question, the answer will be silly too.
Now I'm not saying that one necessarily has to do with the other directly but the rise in youth gaming culture directly parallels a long term decline in youth violence. At the very least, violent video games can't be hurting things too much, if not at all.
Sound's like Trump is just scape-goating to appease his base.
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Let's face it. You can blame guns for the violence but guns have been part of America's fabric for as long as it has existed. There's something unique to this era happening with the massive uptick in mass shootings. The FBI, Homeland Security and every other policing agency at the federal level should be studying this phenom and trying to figure out why and how to address it.
The last assault weapons ban established by Pres. Clinton in the 1990s, and which lasted for a decade, was widely studies and found to have zero effect on gun violence. That doesn't mean I think just anyone should be allowed to buy AR-15 and Kalashnikov-style assault weapons to defend themselves against the socialist horde.
And, this argument about addressing mental illness... yes, for healthcare's sake, not to prevent violence. People with a serious mental illness are 11 times more likely to be the victims of violence, i.e., suicide and attacks on the homeless, etc, rather than its perpetrators.
I'd prefer not simply accepting that "this is how things are now" and thinking we have to turn our schools into high security areas like airports. That's insane, and not something I feel we as Americans should accept. So let's get off the "arm-our-educators" bandwagon and look for real solutions instead of creating combat zones in school halls.
Right wing conservatives are so quick to point out when someone even hints at possibly affecting their second amendment rights but have absolutely no problem at all with stripping away 1st amendment rights.
I don't think folks have thought much about what an effective universal background check would look like. We can't just look at their criminal record. Most (all?) of these shooters didn't have one.
1) Provably false.
2) Getting a gun should be at least as hard as getting a car.
Worldwide there are rating systems. They all work perfectly fine for guidance to those who wish to use it to parent their kids properly. Unfortunately tell that to the cinemas who let kids in to MA and 18+ regularly these days. Set your police to do real work, you know, like the rest of us grunts have to, and not the easy money making stuff, you know, like speeding infringements for 2-5km/miles/hr over.
We absolutely must end the ability of people to pretend to kill others, whilst doing nothing to stop people being able to kill each other.
There are violent movies and video games in other countries and they don't have the same issues with gun violence.
There are other countries that allow guns and have a history of hunting and shooting sports and they don't have a problem with gun violence. Switzerland for example, they even allow semiautomatics that would be considered "assault weapons" in the US.
Perhaps guns and video games are distractions, symptoms, of some other problem. Perhaps we should work on the core problem not the symptoms.
I've been saying this for years and I am glad amazing President Trump has my supporting on this too. Tax cuts, getting rid of the "net nutrality" and a strong faith of second amendment right are what regular Americans like me voted for.
Maybe the media should just report the news instead of sensationalizing it to the point of copy cats. The media turn any event like this into a marathon where anyone can use the medias blind ideology and bias to promote their own 5 minutes of infamy. That CNN town-hall was a pathetic joke and insulting. They are now more concerned about creating the news and pushing their agenda on the recently buried than reporting any fact.
Create your own fame and make the headline for 3 months. Can you get people to feel the hatred you feel? Sure you can! Just pull that trigger and watch an entire nation grind to a halt and fume in sensational apocalypse. They will herald you as the bringer of a new age. They will write your name in history for generations to remember. They will expose every emotion and anxiety you felt. They will discuss every slight that has wronged you. They will fear you. Others will follow you.
You, with one trigger and with their help, you can be the hero you only dreamed of.
Because binary "you are being punished" or "you are not being punished" is coarse, stupid and was done away with a while ago. We recognize that serial DUI drivers don't ever deserve the freedom to not have an interlock that technically prevents (or at least inconvenience) drunk driving. We recognize that wife beaters should be forbidden from making contact with their wife after they get out. We recognize a need for a parole system that manages behavior while still allowing for some freedom.
I'm not saying every crime needs to have an inability to own a gun, but there are definitely some where that right should be forfeit forever.
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You don't need a background check to drive a car.
You don't even need to have insurance or a license or even be a citizen.
You need even fewer credentials to vote in many states
Purchasers of firearms have to endure NICS or the state equivalent where if you fail the state police investigate. Considering that the automobile is a greater threat to life than any legal firearm in the US and takes life every day how come no one is outraged about the lack of vehicle legislation?
Face it, the FBI was too busy destroying evidence that would put Hillary in jail to both to investigate.
He's trying to bring unconstitutional laws. He's a criminal. He's a rapist. And sometimes, I assume, he's a good person.
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I don't know how things work in the US but most countries already have a system in place for doing assessments: driving tests, welfare assessments, social services, etc.
One thing that might be a start is that if you don't have a conviction but you do have lower-level things (e.g. violence on your school record, DVO/ASBO/whatever, maybe even "police were called" one too many times) you are on probation for N years and can't get a firearm, or perhaps can't get a firearm over a certain level of "power" (e.g. centrefire rifle, anything that holds more than two rounds/shells). The probation can be lifted by having an assessment.
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"We should do something about that."
Politifact has a rating for Presidents' lies. It's been around since about 2000 also.
MENTAL ILLNESS is completely mishandled and misunderstood by Americans it would be embarrassing if more people were educated.
Movies, Video Games, Speeches, and BOOKS can get crazy people to do crazy things. Crazy children usually grow up into crazy adults... we don't really care about children in this country, it's just lip service. If people actually cared they'd do something more than just get ribbon stickers and bracelets... like actually THINK and not just emote the same old rehash.
We should put psychologists into schools and make every kid get some work done... studies show middle school is the best age; a massive amount of problems begin at that age. You could skip 6-7th grades completely and it would easily be made up by the speed gains with well adjusted motivated teens.
Autistic and Epileptic people are trained to avoid conditions that trigger them, they are not stigmatized or in denial. A nutty person should be able to avoid certain things; or their parents... but realistically, it's a matter of having services and education so they KNOW to get help after being exposed to anything that triggers them. If they can't learn to cope then they NEED to be institutionalized for their everybody's good
Pedophiles are a great example of the idiotic American system where it's a punishment instead of marking those people dangerously mentally ill and unsafe to be allowed to be free and unregulated. We've had state laws overturned because of the lack of jail term for pedophiles ("until they get better" was viewed as unconstitutional-- and for a crime it is, but this is not a crime & punishment paradigm; hence the problems fitting square pegs into round holes.)
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Of course, this will be used as a punchline of many a joke.
However, movies and video games are a symptom of the deeper problem.
The fact of the matter is that our society increasingly embraces the depraved while outsourcing our responsibility. To use the word "evil" is to invite attack and be called judgmental of other belief systems and ways of thinking. Any attempt to speak to objective morality or personal responsibility for one's actions, especially if the two are coupled together, is met with a "blue wave of outrage".
No matter what laws are enacted, until we realize that this massive experiment that the West has undertaken in post-modern personal morality without responsibility is an abject failure, we will continue to see the signs of the sickness that this thing is.
At least for me, they were an escape from what I endured day in and day out in that festering shithole they called a School. The hell I endured being a computer geek in the 1980's, just so I could go to school and get an education.
It paid off, I make a good living, and have a great life now. But on many days going home and playing violent video games saved me from doing something I would now regret. (Not that they didn't have it coming, but jail would not have been a happy environment for me.)
First law of people: People are generally stupid.
Getting a gun is harder than getting a car. Even in America. Even in a red state.
Unless you add in that it's a lot harder to earn enough money to buy a car than to earn enough money to buy a gun. But that's true of almost anything you compare to a car, except for other vehicles and real estate.
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He probably just had a meeting with Pence or some other social conservative who wants government censorship of immoral content in games.
Sooner or later he'll get another meeting with an alt-righter concerned that the alt-right will be vulnerable to censorship and the idea will be forgotten.
The only policies that Trump follows through on are things that enrich him personally (pass through tax rate) and anti-immigrant measures. Everywhere else he does what the party wants, the best model is an establishment conservative without accountability.
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Nobody is more well-informed than Trump.
Nobody is less racist than Trump.
Nobody respect women more than Trump.
Nobody knew healthcare was so complicated.
And he is a very modest person.
(btw, apart from the first, these are all quotes from a very stable genius)
While most don't have a criminal conviction, they do usually have a record of interaction with the police.
I thought, to encourage people to get help, their records were sealed and unopenable without their explicit consent. Or are there records of involuntary commitments that you are referring to?
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It's a lot harder to get alcohol than a gun if you are 18.
If only I could throw those little discs harder.
Never mind that numerous studies have been done showing that video games and movies don't have any impact on the behavior of normal, well-adjusted people, only people who already have mental illnesses or mental deficiences to start with, oh no!
The same can be said for guns. Mental illness seems to be a recurring theme in these mass shootings, well the ones that are not terrorism related.
If Trump is going to ignore science on so many other issues then why the ever-loving fuck wouldn't he ignore the science on this issue, too?
Ignoring science in this debate is common on both sides. For example the AR-15 being no more lethal than other semiautomatic rifles that are not part of anyone's "assault weapon" list. Put a low capacity hunting magazine into an AR-15 and how is it different from the semiautomatic hunting rifles? Both sides are picking the respective scapegoats.
The real problem is likely in US social policy. We've had magazine fed semiautomatics for nearly a century. The civilian AR-15 for 50 years or so. Something changed, it wasn't the guns.
republicans will do nothing.
This group of kids grows up to vote, republicans will disappear overnight.
The dumb fuck nra ceo? The nra will have zero power.
So instead of taking the energy to have a "theoretical discussion instead of a blame game" you went and did "nothing but COMPLAIN" and did indeed blame it all on Rick. Now who's a "Very Very Good Boy"? WHY YOU ARE!!!!! YOOSE A GOOOOD BOY!
I have zero doubt you're a trump loving conservatard. You're a fucking hypocrite. "Do as I say not as I do" is the name of the game, amirite?
How about their voting rights? In Florida, there are 1.5 million people who are denied voting rights because they were convicted of felonies, even after they've served their sentences.
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You are welcome on my lawn.
Because he had 10 guns and had threatened the school.
The NRA and other gun advocacy groups would be providing lawyers and lawsuits defending the kid's 1st amendment rights to free speech and his 2nd amendment rights to have as many weapons of whatever type he wanted.
You guys protect the gun manufacturers coming and going.
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It will make it a hell of a lot harder for criminals to get guns. Over time, criminals will have less and less guns.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
I don't think folks have thought much about what an effective universal background check would look like. We can't just look at their criminal record. Most (all?) of these shooters didn't have one.
That why people are suggesting raising the minimum age to 21. So there is some time on the clock for that adult criminal and mental history check.
We'd have to start looking at their mental health records (which would discourage anyone who likes guns from seeking help) and their social media posting.
Not all people who come into contact with the mental health system are doing so voluntarily. Are the extreme anti-social and/or violent going in voluntarily, or is it the suicidal going in voluntarily. Harm others vs harm self may come to the attention of the system in different ways. We need to update the privacy laws.
If we're going to go that far that means we have to have someone make decisions about who's allowed to have guns and who isn't. Are we going to do jury trials for every failed background check?
Not all judicial proceedings get a jury. But yes, judges, that is their job, to decide who has their constitutional rights set aside. Plus a lot of those background check failures will result from criminal convictions, an event where a judge/jury has already spoken.
Do the pres not know about this?
The content of a game is listed in the white/black box on the back
Also, what is considered violent?
The millennial that doesn't like most of the stuff designed for millennials.
The difference between science and politics is that scientists are expected to know the prior art. Saying that there should be a rating system, when there are already two in place (films and video games) is a good demonstration that politicians are disconnected from reality. Do we want to be governed by people who are disconnected from reality, or by scientists in an HG Wells "Things to Come" society?
No, ordinary good citizens wouldn't (that need them for protection vs. REAL criminals OR dictatorial gov't.s) - get real!
* I mean for Pete's sake - I just SHOWED YOU HOW EASY IT IS TO GET A GUN if you really want to get one.
(Clue: You can even be a 'new guy in town' & IF you want to find where ANY kind of 'shit' (bad stuff, including hot guns) is? Ask cabbies or strippers (to start)).
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Both are valid forms of entertainment, of course.
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Why don't we just give him what he want, "King of the Morons".
Only if you count suicides but thanks for playing, subhuman shill.
Ain't no party like a P. Trump party cuz the derpyness don't stop
I don't think folks have thought much about what an effective universal background check would look like.
The current proposal on the table is to require a background check for all gun transfers, not expand it into new areas like social media.
While "the ebil gov'ment is gonna read your patriotic tweets and take your guns!!!!!" is lovely FUD, no one is proposing that because social media isn't nearly as helpful as reporting by friends and family.
Are we going to do jury trials for every failed background check?
Uh....why? You can already sue the government if you think they did something unconstitutional. There's even several organizations that specialize in doing just that.
How do I restore my gun rights after I've (effectively) lost them?
Today, you can generally not "restore your gun rights". In most places, convicted felons can not restore their "gun rights" after serving their sentence.
And if we're going to add some sort of mental health basis for rejection, it's going to be set based on medical criteria, not "I hate Obummer" post count. Someone who fails that medical criteria can easily slip back into illness, and so should not have a gun. For example, someone with paranoid delusions can take drugs to stop them, but if they stop the drugs the delusions come back.
Wouldn't want your teenagers drunk and armed.
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
Getting a gun is harder than getting a car. Even in America. Even in a red state.
I honestly don't remember, do you usually need to show a driver's license to purchase a car? If so, it's debatable, since getting a driver's license at least requires a basic test of your competency.
I also assume that the parent post meant getting a driver's license, not going to a dealership and purchasing a car.
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how come no one is outraged about the lack of vehicle legislation?
Perhaps we could institute some sort of program where you have to register your vehicle, as well as obtain a license to operate that vehicle.
And for especially dangerous vehicles, we could have more stringent licensing criteria.
Seriously video games and movies have been shown to decrease violent tendencies in young men because they are an outlet for youthful aggression.
I don't shoot people. Just aliens and zombies. Maybe the occasional historical figure but I mostly stab them.
But you raise a good point. The underlying problem isn't guns, it's gun culture. And gun culture pervades everything.
Everything in American media and a lot of American politics teaches you that guns and warfare are the answer to problems. Social problems aren't issues to manage, they are enemies that you declare war on. That's even the narrative around mass shootings: guns would fix that problem too.
Guns are tools to accomplish certain tasks. They are not a solution to any problem. Get Americans to understand and internalise that, and you can probably keep all the "rights" you want.
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It's a lot harder to get alcohol than a gun if you are 18.
No it's not. But you will get arrested for buying the alcohol.
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Trump Should Be Urgently Sent to Lunatics Asylum
In the recent "State of the Union Address", old lunatic Trump said that the DPRK is threatening the U.S. mainland by "reckless nuclear and missile pursuit". Not content with slandering the DPRK over "degeneration" and "oppression", he took issue with the non-existent "human rights".
This is the intolerable politically-motivated provocation and tyrannical blackmail of the boss of gangsters and hysteric fit of a lunatic against the DPRK.
No matter how desperately Trump may try to defame the dignified and just system in the DPRK with worst invectives, he can not deodorize nasty smell from his dirty body woven with frauds, sexual abuses and all other crimes nor keep the U.S. from rushing to the final destruction.
There is a foolish attempt to make pretence for provocation and pave the road for invasion ahead of conducting the military adventure "bloody nose strategy" in the invectives of Trump recalling Bush's reckless remarks of "axis of evil".
Dolt-like Trump should know that his backbone would be broken, to say nothing of "bloody nose", and the empire of America would go to the hell and the short history of the U.S. would end forever, the moment he destroys even a single blade of grass on this land.
It is the only way for the U.S. and the world concord and peace to urgently detain Trump, who is putting the U.S. and the world in turmoil, in the isolated hospital of psychopaths.
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there were MORE mass shootings with the assault weps ban than in the 1980s BEFORE the ban.
A bigger problem for gun control activists is that, depending on the year you examine, homicides by knife tend to run at four to five times the rate if homicides by rifle (all types of rifle, including "assault rifle")
The even bigger problem for the gun control activists is that a huge shift occurred in "mass shootings" starting in the 1960s. Before the 60s, most "mass" shootings were rather small (the crimes were classed as "mass shootings" if 4 or more were dead) and were either a man killing his family and then himself or gangsters shoting other gangsters. Since the 1960s, mass shootings have become far more frequently larger numbers of completely innocent strangers. This is a big cultural problem that probably has deep roots into not only entertainment, but likely also changes in family structures, changes in education, reductions in Judeo-Christian religiosity, etc.
Finally, there's a tidbit gon control activists do not like to report, but it matters: The majority of all gun deaths in America are NOT mass shootings, nor even robberies or people killing cheating spouses - most gun deaths in America are SUICIDES. Guns are a fast and reasonable certain way people choose to kill themselves and, as such, it's dishonest for countries who have legal physician assisted suicides to brag about their low gun death stats while they compare themselves to the USA whose gun death stats include suicides.
Legally yes, but if you think 18 year olds have any real trouble getting alcohol then you live a sadly sheltered life.
Of course that's just my opinion...... you could be wrong!
Movies and videos don't kill people, people kill people.
Every now and then, politicians trot out the rotting corpse of 'entertainment media influences violence.' It's as dead now, as it was in the 80s.
One thing that might be a start is that if you don't have a conviction but you do have lower-level things (e.g. violence on your school record, DVO/ASBO/whatever, maybe even "police were called" one too many times) you are on probation for N years and can't get a firearm, or perhaps can't get a firearm over a certain level of "power" (e.g. centrefire rifle, anything that holds more than two rounds/shells). The probation can be lifted by having an assessment.
Federally, any felony conviction removes your right to bear arms - even non-violent felonies, like pirating movies.
In addition, many states (yes, even Red ones!) have enacted their own laws targeted at domestic abusers, so that a felony conviction is not necessary to remove firearms from the possession of a potentially violent person.
Oregon just passed a law that basically lets a judge arbitrarily remove the rights of anyone they determine to be "unfit to own a firearm" for over a year - one of the "legitimate" reasons listed in the legislation? Buying a gun in the last 6 months. Seriously, the law says that the mere act of buying a gun makes you unfit to own a gun.
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The blame is strictly on shitty parenting. Idiots.
While most don't have a criminal conviction, they do usually have a record of interaction with the police.
... and, interestingly, a prescription for SSRI drugs.
I find it odd that every US mass killer in the last 30 years has been prescribed some form of psychotropic narcotic with a "black box" label, yet pharmaceuticals are almost never part of the conversation.
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A full ban on selling assault weapons and a program to confiscate all existing assault weapons. There you go.
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A lot of things already bar you from legally obtaining a firearm but one of the biggest problems is just no one bothers to do the paperwork to put those into the system. Retroactively pointing out that someone should never have been allowed to own a gun doesn't help when none of that information was entered into the system even though so many people in a position to act knew about this guy and his history.
The repeated infractions at school (several weapons related), the multiple times the police had been called to his home, the repeated calls to the FBI; any one of those if properly handled and filed would have most likely made him fail the background check.
The slogan of "See Something, Say Something" has to be updated to "See Something, Say Something, Do Something"
Of course that's just my opinion...... you could be wrong!
I don't know how things work in the US but most countries already have a system in place for doing assessments: driving tests, welfare assessments, social services, etc.
In the US driving and access to social services are considered privileges, and can therefore be easily denied. Firearms are considered a right under the 2nd amendment. So it's the responsibility for the government to provide a good reason to deny access to firearms. Where most other countries it's up to the citizens to provide a good reason for ownership.
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You hope.
YES! President Trump gonna finish what was started in 2016! What a wise man OUR President is. He knows how to Make America Great Again, stop the p*ssification of our young men, they should be outside playing Cowboys and Indians, playing the games from the time when America was great is the only way. #MAGA
How about having to prove you are responsible and stable enough to own a gun? People are required to prove they can drive safely before being allowed to get behind the wheel without an instructor.
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Going to go full disagreement with you on this one.
While illegal as hell and very much sitting in the banned category, I can rattle off a list of drugs as long as my arm that are far too easy for folks to obtain on a moments notice.
Guns will fall into the same category. You ban or limit them, folks will just obtain them from unofficial sources and the black-market will love you
for it. Or folks will just turn to other methods to deal pain and death to one another. We've been killing each other for thousands of years and we've
become quite efficient at it.
Besides being a relatively modern trend, what's most interesting is that a vast majority of these shooters have all been on some sort of psychiatric medication at some point or another.
What really bugs me is why this is a modern problem. Kids have always been bullied in school. Most kids I knew always had access to all sorts of firearms, yet the whole school shooting thing didn't really take off until the Columbine Duo. Gun access hasn't changed, kiddos getting bullied hasn't changed. . . . . so what has ?
The administration of psychiatric drugs to kiddos and media sensationalism are the two things off the top of my head. Different parenting standards ? Society just going to shit ?
It's a curious problem.
You could also have local entities follow up with people who have demonstrated past violence. Do a welfare check on someone because they had a run in a year ago and you want to assess if they need more assistance to get better or have gotten worse and need to be investigated. Once these people get on the radar they should not get off the radar until someone can verify they got treatment.
News reports about mass killings of children at school. Itâ(TM)s sort of a bigger concern than video games, which I actually have some control over in my house.
After every shooting, the left demands that the problem is a THING: guns. When the people on the right scoff and say "no, it's the PERSON using the thing, the thing is inert on its own and could be used for good or for evil" the left goes nuts and accuses the right of wanting to see more kids killed.
EVERYBODY runs to the internet to google for stats favorable to their side of the argument.
The left points to high gun ownership and high gun deaths in the USA, the right points out that most gun deaths are suicides (true stat) and the even higher rates of deaths caused by other things like knives and cars and alcohol and drugs.
The Trump comes along, and like throwing gas on the fire, effectively says "if we're blaming inanimate things, then we ought to look at movies and video games". Whoosh! the flames leap higher, and I need more popcorn! The bloggers are gonna be going nuts for days!
If inanimate objects are to blame for the violence, rather than the people using those objects, then all objects are up for discussion, and lots of people are going to be conflicted and confused and angry about those arguments, indeed.
It's people, or it's the junk people use. If it's the junk people use, then we need to look at all of the junk. If, on the other hand, it's the people themselves, then we need to look at what they know how to do, what they are able to do, and then more seriously their beliefs and principles (what they want to do and are willing to do). This is far more difficult, but it goes to the root of the problem and once you deal with it, you can stop worring about whether this gadget or that gadget, or this chemical or that chemical, or this entertainment or that entertainment, must be banned, and also stop worring about what new thing might be invented tomorrow. People can use an almost unlimited list of objects to kill other people; if you want to stop the killing by limiting access to the instruments used, you have an impossible task.
Violent movies and games all have ratings in place designed to keep such material out of the hands of minors, yet everyone pretty much ignores them.
( Fail to see the point of a regulation, rule or law if no one enforces it )
It's amusing to hear people whine about the availability of such material while, at the same time, they have no issues purchasing it for their kiddos to play / watch. :|
Pro Tip: Be a parent and quit relying on the government to do your job for you.
In basically every place on the planet, a 1 second nip slip on prime-time TV will result in official inquiries and fines.
Whenever people want to touch the 2nd amendment, it seems that there's always someone who seems to be of the opinion that if you want to touch the amendments, you ought to start at the top of the list.
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Of course it's distraction.
What is the Trump administration distracting us from? Let's dig into the five DIStraction CONdition levels:
DISCON1 — Florida shooting
DISCON2 — Rob Porter
DISCON3 — DACA path to citizenship
DISCON4 — Russian IRA indictments
DISCON5 — Shall we play a game?
Lindsey Graham: There's a 30 Percent Chance Trump Attacks North Korea — 14 December 2017
Unlike Wargames, all five DISCON levels are played simultaneously as a Django five-note chord.
Over the last 50-60 years Hollywood has developed and intensified the theme of what I call "just revenge," where a protagonist has bad things done to his loved ones and then goes on a justified psychopathic murder spree filled with blood and bodies. The audience is supposed to applaud and feel good that the good guy has "got his back," at the bad guys. This assault on the nation-mind, especially the most vulnerable young people, those with mental problems caused by genetics or social environment relentlessly pursued by Hollywood for money must have an effect, and I believe we are seeing that effect in the increasing number of school massacres. I blame the studios, directors, and writers of Hollywood for this theme. [The rest of this, naming actors who have responsibility is redacted by me, sqreater, here, but you know who they are.] Bruce Willis's new just revenge movie coming out next month based on the 1970s "Death Wish" movies of Charles Bronson should be withdrawn from theaters.
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The auto industry lobbies daily to prevent laws that stop criminals and terrorists from using their product in the commision of their crimes.
So sad America needed an ignorant idiot as defense against liberals and socialism.
Not the best ..
The FBI, Homeland Security and every other policing agency at the federal level should be studying this phenom and trying to figure out why and how to address it.
Guess what Congress explicitly banned?
Guess what ban the US Department of Justice said was ineffective? Did removing flash suppressors and pistol grips make the post-ban guns any less lethal? Is an "assault weapon" with a low capacity hunting magazine any different than a semiautomatic hunting rifle that is not on anyone's ban list?
Tell me: do you think those drugs would be easier or harder to obtain if they were made legal?
No, it won't.
Chinese and Russian militaries offload AK-47s to criminal orgs all over the world. Easy to obtain. Plenty of ways to get them don't need to purchase legally.
Sorry - you want to disarm non violent citizens to make yourself feel better.
It seems that many, if not most, school shooters are on prescription medications, often for depression or anxiety.
It is known that giving certain prescription medications to people with undiagnosed bipolar disorder (or diagnosed, but then they should know better) can end up causing them to do things such as mass shootings. If you look at the increasing prevalence of prescribing these medications and the estimated percentage of people with undiagnosed bipolar disorder there is a strong correlation with the increasing number of mass shooting events.
Since the large pharmaceutical companies buy a lot of advertising (just count the commercials one night), it seems the networks don't want to touch this issue.
It should be pointed out that the shooter, who had previously been expelled from school and banned from campus, was able to walk onto school grounds unchallenged. He was then able to enter a building through an unlocked door and access the people inside.
Campus security was a joke, but I don't hear anyone talking about that issue. If the building doors had been locked the shooting may not have ever occurred. If someone were watching the campus grounds the shooting may not have ever occurred. You should have to pass through a monitored set of security doors to get inside the building like you do at places like courthouses.
and found to have zero effect Studies listed here found an effect from the assault weapons ban: https://www.washingtonpost.com...
Apparently you didn't read your own citation. The pro-ban researcher explicitly says the key was banning high capacity magazines not the guns themselves. Put a low capacity hunting magazine into that "assault weapon" and how is it different from a semiautomatic hunting rifle?
Your pro-gun researcher also plays bait-and-switch games. "Assault weapons" are actually used for few "mass shootings". According to a recent Mother Jones article 2/3 of such shootings use pistols. As for the remaining 1/3 its evenly split between rifles and shotguns and only some of the rifles are "assault weapons".
All I can say is, it worked in Austrailia.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
Google on Austrailia gun regulations.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
How about appropriately blaming a society where:
a) There are guns everywhere.
b) There is very little social responsibility (its always someone ELSES fault).
c) Being the Alpha is what matters, be it through money, force, or fame.
d) Not 'fitting in' is punished by being socially ostracised, and told there is something wrong with you.
e) A Police force that will thunder through the door guns blazing in response to a phone call.
f) Living in a constant media and social deluge reinforcing all of the above.
Disenfrancise enough people and this is the outcome. Congratulations America, I guess this is 'The Dream'.
But dont worry, just arm more people, because escalation works.
(btw, no, video games wont work - many countries, especially Asian boys, LOVE violent video games, and have very very very very low rates of these crimes)
Targeting games and porn is just a distraction so they can avoid addressing the real problem. What differentiates the US from all the other countries? The gun laws. Not the game laws or access to porn.
Parents these days don't actually parent, and kids are allowed to watch movies or play games they shouldn't be.
a potentially violent person
good luck figuring put that part, this is the "magic happens here" part of the joke but you're too stupid to realize it
by any standard measure we would have locked away our own president who gleefully admits to felony assault
If you take them away or bitch about them even you get the real violence because nothing appeases the culture clash that USA is right now.
The culture clash is a combo-blame between Jesuit (CIA) and Jew.
Jesuits got iced by God. Jews next. Trust me on this.
Quick the NRA has threatened to remove their funding so everyone should look over there while we accept payment and ignore everyone.
That is only treating the symptom.
The cause is a regression in society where people are looking inward and not outward.
Jordan Peterson has a brilliant lecture on the story of Cain and Abel. Cain and Able bring a sacrifice to God, and God says to Abel (paraphrased).
I'm not pleased with your sacrifice, but you have a choice to make a better sacrifice, but you need to choose. Instead of choosing a better sacrifice, Cain broods on his failure until it results in the murder of his own brother. and this is what is happening in the USA.
We are different to Animals because we can plan for the future. Planning for the future requires sacrifices in the present, it's a brilliant concept. But if you're a 14 year kid trying make sense of the world, and your attempt at sacrifices keep getting rejected, well you could be in a world of trouble.
This culture increases the number of selfish, feeling sorry for themselves, life sucks, I hate the world, I want revenge on the world baby psychopaths: who when combined with the easy accessibility of weapons, create chaos.
The answer to this problem is super hard, because it requires some fundamental cultural changes that shun the plastic materialism the USA pioneered and embraces and outward looking attitude of what can I do to better the world.
btw. the SJWs are only going to make the problem worse, because they are the 'what about me' generation and dividing people into oppressed minorities.
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You are making a grave (and purposeful) misrepresentation. A butter knife is a utencil. A hunting knife is at best a multi-purpose weapon. Guns are weapons and while weapons can be used defensively their nature is offensive.
Now a gun that can fire several rounds in a 10 second period is quite reasonably sufficient for personal protection. There are very rare, few and far in-between events that require a person to defend themselves with a gun and need more than 15 rounds. I'd argue that this by default is overkill.
Often what people purchase are not hand guns but rather assualt weapons. As an ex-solider I can tell you point blank that no civilian needs an assualt rifle to defend anything. Worse yet is the fact that many people own multiple weapons. You do not need multiple guns of any kind to defend yourself.
Now if an attacker had a butter knife and went mental, how many people could he harm before they run away or he's stopped? two? three? -If the attacker had a hand gun and was a crack shot how many would be endangered? 7? 10??
With a modded semi-automatic we already know what can happen. Multiply that with several such weapons and 1 basket case can possibly kill 100 people maybe more.
With less guns out there; less powerful weapons, more stringent checks, higher age limits and mandatory training there would be X less deaths. How many is that? LESS, SO IT'S WORTH IT!
Don't tell me that just because a seatbelt does not prevent the death of passenger when a car explodes that it's not worth having seat belts.
Don't tell me that because hunting knives are just tools and tools don't kill people so everyone should be OK to take one to school.
Don't fucking tell me not to "politicise" people dying; because the US has the worst gun control problem in the western world and that problem is INCREASING the amount of deaths caused by anyone trying to do people harm because it's so easy to get many powerful weapons, not tools. Mass shootings are not caused by screwdrivers or soldering irons.
Yes, some terrorists use cars and we are not banning cars. Cars ARE tools. They were not DESIGNED TO KILL. They are not weapons. See the difference between tools and weapons?
The second amendment speaks of the right to bear arms...when people had muskets. In a far dangerous time this to my mind is a weapon that can be used primarily for defense. The problem these days is that these guns, which are tools designed to kill, AKA weapons are far too powerful, too cheap, given away with very little if any verification to people far too young or unsuitable. Mentally ill people. People with a violent past...assuming they are checked at all.
The NRA love to talk about the fucking second amendment. What is so fucking good about it?! The second amendment was written in the bill of rights in 1791! Do you really want to live in the standards of 1791?? Forget women's rights men were perfectly allowed to hit their wives if they did not cook food or refused sex etc. 1791, back when the age of consent depending on state was 12! Back when many states still owned slaves. Fuck the social norms of the year 1791.
Without considerable change the second amendment is not applicable in this day and age. It's fucking backwards.
When will the US mobilise to unravel itself from the stranglehold of the NRA??
A 'singular oddity' is an event that cannot be explained and only happens when you are alone.
If they took him in based on the posts he could argue that his first and second amendment rights were being violated. I know we can't shout fire in a theater but I also know that you can say some pretty awful things and as long as it passes the "No right thinking person" test it's not illegal.
What I'm saying is this: If we start locking folks up for saying they're going to do violent things we're going to lock up a _lot_ of people. I'd say a good 5% of the population. And if we're not going to charge them with a crime and proceed with criminal prosecution then what right do we have to take away their guns?
I suppose we could build a completely new criminal justice system that allows suspension of 2nd amendment rights while not charging someone with a specific crime. We could also make certain misdemeanors punishable by losing your gun ownership rights. But do you think that's politically viable? If not then the FBI and police simply do not have the tools to deal with these sorts of people. Find another way.
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Wouldn't this require some kind of national registry? I am trying to picture this in my mind. Trump: I have implemented a national gun registry to keep the bad guys from getting guns but only the bad guys. If you like your guns you can keep your guns!
But gun manufacturers will make less and less money! Won't someone think of the gun manufacturers!
He could be right, I've heard many criminals obtain their guns by stealing them from legit owners.
Oh it's simple. If you have an arrest or police report. Not a conviction..... for anything. Then your general firearm license is revoked for X amount of time. If you have convictions the time goes longer. But then you file for your license and get it back, if you cry that such a license will tell the government exactly where to find all the guns when they decide to fire up the ovens... well you're fucking nuts no card for you ever.
Nobody seems to give a fuck about slapping people with employment killing convictions and and non-conviction records on a whim but as soon as guns are the subject of discussion we simply can't allow someone to slip through the cracks and get unfairly punished.
I mean unlike the rest of the world our every embarrassing misstep is public record, sold off to lexiusnexis for safekeeping just in case it's expunged. What a horrible fucking system but on top of it we use it almost entirely for antisocial purposes.
Most illegals guns are the result of being stolen off a person who legally bought it. So banning guns would remove the supply.
Once gun supplies go down, the price goes up, now I want to see some skinny 17 year old white boy walk into the hood with a couple of thousand dollars on him and think he's going to walk out with a gun, with his money, or with his life.
The majority of mass shootings are NOT done by hardened criminals.
We can see how well militants are doing against government forces, and those militants are being supplied heavy weaponry by the US and others. Your average nut bar with an AR-15 is no match. If the government wanted to take over, they could already.
Stop believing the paranoid myths the pro gun lobby uses, they are there to install fear, and with fear comes the ability to control people. Americans have killed MORE Americans than all the wars they have been involved. Its not foreign governments you should be scared of, its your gun owning neighbour.
Gun manufacturers and dealers love the threat of a ban it's great for business as long as people are afraid that they may be about to lose their ability to have a gun they buy them like hotcakes but when people aren't thinking that they are much harder to sell.
So they have to keep everyone on this razors edge of they might ban them without letting things ever go so far for it to actually happen.
Minimum threshold fixed. Thanks!
Repeal the 2nd amendment. guns are the problem. throwing more guns at the problem makes it worse. Solve the problem, don't put a bandaid on it. cure it. repeal the 2nd amendment.
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"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
Alcohol is harder to get today than it was in the prohibition.
During the prohibition you only had to have money.
Today you have to have money, an ID and be of a certain age to buy it.
Why would the drugs be any different?
Minimum threshold fixed. Thanks!
... I wonder what the Slashdot take on this will be? lol
It couldn't possibly be that Trump is trying deflect attention away from irresponsible gun ownership, sales, and lax law enforcement, could it???
I am sure his ultra-conservative base is totally open to responsible gun legislation.... oh wait.
I am all for giving parents the tools to responsibly manage the media their kids are exposed to, but government censorship is not going to stop school shootings.
Why the fuck do you think your right isn't assailable? The psycho isn't the problem. Guns are the problem. How is law enforcement going to fix what is the government and electorates problem? HUH?
There is no way to prove the person driving is the one who registered the vehicle
Lots of people drive without licenses, they were giving them away to criminal aliens
And find some more definitive answers to basic questions. If he couldn't obtain his weapons legally what are the chances he would have either obtained them illegally or found some other method of mass murder? What role did his perceived portrayal in the media play in motivating his behavior? Was there anything unique about the warning signs he presented?
Guns do make people safer, from oppression.
Oppression from what or whom?
The nutjob neighbor with the semi automatic weapons in his basement?
The overzealous cop who shouldn't even be touching a gun let alone shooting at people?
The alleged "militia" twits?
People know the difference between video games, movies, and the real world. Anything to protect the gun manufacturers profit is all that matters to this "president". You could get rid of movies and video games forever, and I bet people still die from the 4 things I mentioned. Have to find new scapegoats after that. Perhaps books and music next.
I guess he's right after all, he is a genius. It's definitely violent movies and video games.
I mean, the US has 10x the gun homicides per capita as Canada. Sure libtards will claim it's because Canada has gun control (they want to take your guns away after all), but the real reason is that Canada banned violent movies and video games in 2008. That's why their Netflix catalogue is so much smaller and Canadians have to use VPNs to get real entertainment. Steam isn't even allowed in our little Marxist neighbour to the North. Go see what Xbox games they have for sale at their local CanuckMart. Only G-rated stuff.
But don't knock what works. Time for evidence based policy, let's Make America Safe Again!!
...our politicians are murderously insane and we're stupid enough to go along with them. The mental health of every American is in question. That's the issue.
At least with an assault weapons ban a random crazy would have to look you in the eye (or acquire a CNC router and learn to use it) in order to kill you. Baby steps.
And yet, again, everybody is ignoring the elephant in the room. Anti-depressant medication. All school shooters including the one in Florida were on prescription medication which caused mood swings including uncontrollable anger and psychotic behavior.
That's how it would be in an ideal and sane world, but I'm trying to propose something that is constitutionally possible and that the vast majority of responsible gun owners could get behind.
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Seriously, the law says that the mere act of buying a gun makes you unfit to own a gun.
Well no, it says that the act of buying a gun makes you unfit to buy another one.
There's a kernel of something in here in this that could be turned into something better. Perhaps you should have to show that you are competent with a less-powerful weapon before you are allowed to own a more-powerful one?
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to driving. Heck, a lot of them don't have those rights to social services.
Moreover, Americans don't want the folks at the DMV in charge of whether they can own guns or not.
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And the fact that the felonies they decided to commit clearly came with the penalties to their liberties and finances as well as the future trust their fellow Floridians were willing to put in them to help run the state were already well established. If you choose to commit a felony in Florida, you know that you risk losing your liberty for the duration of your prison sentence, and permanently losing the trust of your fellow voters. Just like you permanently lose that state's willingness to endorse your purchase of a gun.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Elections have consequences..
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Many studies have shown that violent video games and movies have very little impact on gun violence. Other countries don't seem to have the mass shooting problem that America does. Do you think that MAYBE it has something to do with the ready availability of such weapons? No of course not. It's violent video games which every other country has as well. Fancy that.
Though I wonder whether this is another "dumb Trump idea" or another "4D chess move" to put a Clinton policy position on the firing line to test the public & press response? If people hate it he can say "it was Clinton's idea don't blame me" and if the press attacks him over it he can say "look how the media treats me differently"
your thin skin doesn't make me a troll
We had widespread terrorism before the feds came in and cracked down. No shit, look it up. There was a time when there was a perfect and (quasi) legal outlet for these kinds of nut cases in the form of the KKK. Their anger and frustration would be directed at black folk (and occasionally jews). We also had wars for these kids to fight. Many of them went to 'Nam, and you saw how that turned out.
Also, the media didn't used to report mass shooting from fear of copy cats. That changed after Columbine. I think that was the right thing to do. There weren't any concerted efforts to stop bullying until after Columbine. I'm an actual nerd and so are my friends. Many of us were bullied not just by students but by teachers (who justified it as 'tough love' when it was really just them being dicks). I'm sure many reading this right now experienced the same. Post Columbine at least the teachers backed off.
So yeah, stuff changed. We stopped letting these folks loose on minorities and made up enemies and we started reporting it when they took out their rage against inappropriate targets. But the violence was always there.
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The issue is, this view ignores the vast majority of gun owners in America who DO understand that guns aren't the solution to any/every problem.
Just as we don't run around setting fires / hoping for fires / looking for fires just so we can get a chance to use our fire extinguishers, but rather have them to put out a fire in case all of our caution and fire-avoidance techniques fail.
Guns should be (and are, for most owners) the last resort item, when avoidance and diplomacy have failed. I'd rather buy someone a beer and de-escalate a situation than shoot them.
Gun ownership is a constitutionally guaranteed right, like freedom of speech. I think the 2A stands equal to the rest but I am obviously against the mentally ill owning firearms. These are truly, incredibly complex issues; but the attacks are caused by mental illness - not guns. And mental illness is not caused by guns. I don't think the popular response would be particularly nuanced if the proposal was to make it illegal for people under 21 to access smartphones (blue light), facebook, twitter, snapchat, et al. That also is not a great answer but it is far closer to answering the root cause of the problem than gun control. It would likely reduce suicide and many other crimes as well. No-one is willing to face the RCA, we all just give up more freedoms during an even more grand masquerade.
That said, I'd rather have knife violence than live in a country with gun violence or live in a country with no people.
Video games are a form of speech.
Free Speech is the first ammendment.
The first amendment trumps the second amendment.
the second amendment is trumped by the first amendment.
the SCOTUS would interpret the COTUS, and even if all the SCROTUSES on the SCOTUS interpreted the COTUS for the POTUS, the first ammendment to the COTUS trumps the second ammendment to the COTUS, so even if all the SCROTUSES on the SCOTUS agree, the COTUS would have to be ammended by the POTUS, ratified by all the GOTUSES of each SOTUS, the ROTUSES and SOTUSES on both HOTUSES, and then ruled legal by the SCROTUSES ont he SCOTUS.
It aint gonna happen.
I always thought this was fubar. imho there should be a way to get back voting and a right to bear arms...
The NRA has been lobbying legislatures to restore gun rights for felons, but not voting rights.
https://www.nraila.org/article...
You are welcome on my lawn.
"WHY does anyone need to buy an AR-15 with 30 round magazines."
Sounds like you've never fired one. Aside from other uses, the ability to place a slug in a small target from 300 meters away without special optics or a bruised shoulder, constantly, is well... just plain fun.
And, if you have to harvest game to eat, you couldn't find a better tool. Just because there's sickos that can use a legally available tool to do their sick deeds doesn't warrant legislation against a high quality tool. Outlaw bump stocks and fully automatic conversion kits if you want. Everyone knows they make the tool less efficient.
So before you mount your soapbox, fire one. Seriously. Just a FYI, I don't hunt nor own a firearm. But, my M16 was awesome and I can fully relate to enthusiasts. Someday I might venture into that hobbydome, I just got more interesting things ones now. But to each his own.
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There is no way to prove the person driving is the one who registered the vehicle
Which is why we license the drivers independently of registering the vehicles.
Lots of people drive without licenses, they were giving them away to criminal aliens
Nope. Some states let undocumented immigrants get drivers licenses, because it's better they get the required testing and training than have them drive without a license. These were not "given away", they had to meet all the same driving requirements as citizens.
military arms are regulated pretty much in all of USA, therefore the 2nd amendment is already irrelevant.
the 2nd amendment was specifically crafted to allow for privately owned militias and corporate concern owned armies - which the people who made the amendment had - and the arms refers to equipment used to WAGE WARS, not some plinker guns, but to the best and most expensive devices you can have that have only the use for waging war.
it hasn't existed in practice since the fifties or so.. little did anyone notice though since they let you have handguns and other weapons that military doesn't consider as proper arms.
hunting utility items, something you need to defend yourself against bears or whatever and such were never part of it and we're never intended to be part of it.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Like make more of them.
Where's your gamergate now, huh, now that the orangutan in chief has switched to Thompson/Sarkeesian mode?
But who could have seen this coming?
Everyone with a shred of intelligence or experience. Either would have done.
There are fewer guns per capita in America now than there were 50 years ago.
Anyone care to 'splain why gun violence has skyrocketed in that time, if it's ALL about guns being readily available....?
Or why, when we carried rifles to school in the 60s and 70s, that there were NO school shootings back then? Hmmmmm?
Maybe it's the psychiatric (brain-altering) drugs. Maybe it's the movies and video games. Maybe it's just lazy-ass people with no honor or respect anymore, letting the iPad raise their damn kids. Who knows?
All I know is that previous generations didn't HAVE this problem, and guns were MORE prevalent and MORE in your face then, than now.
We don't have a gun problem, we have a PEOPLE problem.
NRA seems to want to sell more guns by scaring us into thinking we need them. Hollywood is whining about running out of ideas when there are 900 scripted TV shows. So many new tv shows are reboots of previous. Both need to get real and fill societies needs in proportion. Now about the new-age Giligans Island!
Time for a new Political party in the US (or two!) One is off the rails Other cant pony up a leader.
Gun laws only stop the GOOD guys with guns...and gun THREAT is only met by a good guy with a gun. Pithy statements won't deter an armed criminal.
But hey, don't take my word for it...let's look at Belgium, home of tight gun-control laws.
The Paris terrorists got their automatic rifles in Belgium
There was a shooting today, in Belgium.
Not possible, they have gun control! Right??
Duh.
How about appropriately blaming the Police and FBI that ignored multiple blatant opportunities to catch that nutjob. Heck, he used his real name to threaten school shootings online, and one of his relatives called the FBI tip line in January.
Gun laws, as currently written, do not allow for someone to have their gun rights taken away for any of the above actions. The Gun Control Act of 1968 says you need to have been "adjudicated as a mental defective" or "committed to any mental institution."
Unless law enforcement calls in a shrink to certify the above, the person gets a gun.
Like the kids aren't going to see it other ways ("Oh no, not my angels").
How about setting a real example of fine leadership, and quit selling future generations into debt slavery?
They allow for a safe and fun way to release angry thoughts and frustration.
Remember, people like Trump grew up (in as much as Donny ever grew up), watching Daffy duck getting his face blasted off with a shotgun at least 3 times a day.
He's totally safe right? oh... fuck... nevermind...
Most people that don't have Donny's mental issues are safe.
Sorry, but no, gun culture isn't the issue.
The "issue" is retards going out and shooting shit up because they're fucked in the head.
That doesn't come from video games or television.
That comes from being beat up / made fun of / humiliated by the assholes who deserve to have their heads shoved up their asses and their fingers removed so they can't take pics or post made up shit.
Simply deflection, and nothing but deflection. Explain how Australia, Canada and England, where kids play the same games, societies have the same issues, and the moral breakdown of civilization is the same. Their citizens (including children) watch the same television shows, read the same printed materials, view the same internet, listen to the same music, do the same drugs, etc. Yet, all three countries, combined, have had fewer school shootings in the last 20 years than the US averages in a month. Violent crimes committed by a gun, or by those carrying guns, are also much less in those three countries than in the USA. Two notable differences: Health care (while far from perfect) is a universal right, and guns are much more strictly controlled in all three. And, surprise, surprise, criminals are much less likely to have (and use) firearms. Guns may not be the problem, but the American obsession with them is a symptom of whatever the problem is.
When you read that 97% of Americans support background checks nobody realizes there's a lot of variations in what a "background check" entails...
You should probably read that as 97% of Americans support background checks ... for other people. As soon as the background checks will affect them personally (not necessarily to the point of refusal, but causing them extra hassle), a lot will change their minds.
And the fact that the felonies they decided to commit ...
The problem is that so much of the things we may do can be a felony. It's not just murder and armed robbery, but things like disturbing a lobster trap, trespassing on a farm, or not carefully measuring the weed killer to spray on your lawn.
Some things are misdemeanors the first time you do it (driving on an expired license), but become felonies if you're caught doing it again.
I have my wife's expired driver's license in my desk. It's a great picture so I kept it. I only recently learned that's a felony in my state.
Thanks to the Lacey act and similar laws, you could be committing felonies while at home by breaking some law enacted in a foreign country. Have you been keeping up with all the wildlife and plant laws enacted by every nation on the planet? You're responsible for knowing them.
Florida could make a distinction between felonies like violent crimes VS what are basically civil violations of not following the rules made up by the various
government agencies. Such a distinction is made for many other things, so why not voting rights?
Not really:
I used to think gun control was the answer...
I researched the strictly tightened gun laws in Britain and Australia and concluded that they didn’t prove much about what America’s policy should be. Neither nation experienced drops in mass shootings or other gun related-crime that could be attributed to their buybacks and bans. Mass shootings were too rare in Australia for their absence after the buyback program to be clear evidence of progress. And in both Australia and Britain, the gun restrictions had an ambiguous effect on other gun-related crimes or deaths.
Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.
It's all a sideshow. Look at the Swiss and the Czechs for the solution. Neither involves banning guns.
...IMAGINARY guns kill people.
Sorry, messed up second link: https://www.theage.com.au/interactive/2016/gun-city/day1.html
I used to go through Wisconsin, near enough to an establishment named "Jed's" to see some of the signs. It advertised guns and "cheap likker". What could possibly go wrong?
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
During prohibition, you had to have money and know someone willing to sell you illegal liquor for money. Adding a legal option makes it easier, not harder. Underage drinkers are fairly common, and most people of drinking age do have some sort of ID.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
The "issue" is retards going out and shooting shit up because they're fucked in the head.
Excuse me while I raise a glass to all mentally ill people who didn't go apeshit this month.
Having said that, you can tell a lot about a culture by the way they go crazy. When Saudi dudes go crazy, they do it with religion. When American dudes go crazy, they do it with guns.
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the Civil rights movement has nothing to do with the shootings _directly_.
Before the civil rights movement guys like Nikolas Cruz used to have pre approved targets that they could commit wanton acts of violence against. Again, this isn't idle speculation. There's reams and reams of evidence on widespread terrorism style tactics used against black people following the civil war. They could do this with impunity secure in the knowledge that no local jury would convict them.
There were limits of course. If their bloodthirst was of a higher level we had wars to send them off to.
Then the Civil Rights Movement happened and the feds moved in and these people got prosecuted and jailed. Their crimes brought into the light. Meanwhile they couldn't just go overseas to commit atrocities because they'd eventually be court martialed when the media picked the story up.
The bullied nerd was always a powder keg waiting to go off. It's just we used to let them go off so long as they picked the right target. About 50 years ago we stopped doing that. But they're still a powder keg and they still go off. It's just now they go off at random instead of on the targets we tacitly agreed to. That's put us in a spot where we might actually have to do something about it. Either that or pick a target that it's OK for them to go after. That would work too.
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you can't stop people from having guns. Guns are a part of America. It would take generations to get rid of all of them. You can, however, control access to ammunition. Ammunition is a commodity, There is only one manufacturer in the US that creates nitrocellulose. It is an amazingly difficult substance to create. Control access to ammunition and you control gun use. Anyone can buy ammo. If people had to have a background check and a card to show it to buy ammo it would be much more difficult for criminals to get it.
once more into the breach
We aren't Australia.
I've thought for a long time that we should do something about lead. There are shooting ranges that are more polluted than industrial sites.
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Surely this must be done.
Video games played by millions are leaving dead people everywhere.
Video game players inflict actual injury on each other... um, I mean football players inflict actual injury to others and themselves.
Lets not get started on boxing and other sports.
How many people are killed every year in traffic?
Why not ban all cars?
Guns do not kill, ammo does. Register all new manufactured ammo. Lasermark/etch each shell casing with a UID (QR code?) and also some part of the lead, maybe some metal chip inside it.
The IPv6 system or similar number could be used.
All shell casings should be returned to a deregistering facility and smelted/destroyed/reused.
Ban all unmarked ammo. (CIA would love this).
If cars and boats have plates or visible numbering, for tracking responsibility, why not ammo which has no other purpose than to kill?
Still a bolt action rifle can cause mayhem, good for hunting moose and deer, but why allow semiautomatic weapons for sale in system that is broken?
All you gun-nuts out there, find something better to do with your limited time on earth.
Call a constitutional meeting to clarify the right to bear arms was meant the arms at that time, i.e. swords, knives, cross/bows, and flintlock muzzle loaded pistols and rifles. The US gun/ammo laws are insane.
Newly manufactured weapons should be required to use different size ammo so the old ammo supplies will not work, like 20% smaller..
How about trying to be a good role model for all his fellow citizens. Stop the trash talk, make informed decisions, stop lying, to name a few. The world needs more role models.
These kinds of crimes are largely done by people who are mentally disturbed and looking for fame/infamy. Not the same motivations as common criminals.
If those people find it hard to get guns, I'm sure they'll get by just fine with fire and pipe bombs.
Well, that sort of makes sense. Your right to self protection is pretty much their central focus. Things like voting rights are best handled by groups that focus on those issues. The ACLU might be too broad a focus, but is perhaps a better vehicle for that, since - unlike the NRA - they aren't as focused on a specific area of law.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Mr. Trump is simply throwing off chaff.
Fact is, AR-15's are only mildly less powerful that fully automatic machineguns.
Fully automatic machineguns haven't been used in a mass shooting in decades ( I think the st. valentines day massacre was the last one which prompted the then NRA to help right the bill to ban weapons of such horrific killing power (7 people were killed in one shootout).
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We need to limit magazines to 12 shots. After a trade in period, any larger magazines should be treated as fully automatic weapons. The owner would have to store them offsite at a 3rd party. They would be expensive to buy and expensive to continue owning. Possession an unregistered larger magazine would be the same kind of serious federal crime as possession an unlicensed fully automatic weapon.
We also need to tax bullets except at gun ranges. The taxes should be allocated to victims of illegal gun shootings treatment, rehabilitation and funeral bills. The tax for a given year would be based on the prior years bullet sales and that year's cost of treatment, rehabilitation, and funeral bills.
It's time for conservatives to stop dining on the liberal tears of 9th grade survivors of conservative policies.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
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Study from earlier this uear shows opposite of what Teump says for video games
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217305472
Republicans, NRA, Trump are literally throwing out fake news to see WHAT STICKS:
Mental Illness
The system (FBI)
Bad cops
Anti-fa (the fake actor angle)
Law (2nd Amendment & socialism)
Now its Hollywood/Video Games.
Next up for next week:
The victims (they deserved it)
Liberals, affluent
Immigrants, LGBT
The parents
of course, change the narrative at every opportunity
and....
Obama
Fact: yes, these tactics have worked in the past, that's why the NRA is using them along with Trump. But just listening to LaPu of the NRA start throwing out all of the above, then his usual "stand strong/powerful but scared of 2nd amendment stance"--all in one speech.... someone is really worried about losing power.
I've never seen so much worry from the NRA due to a group of kids. All I can say is GO KIDS. Change is imminent.
We should not deny voting rights to anyone. There are no clear boundaries on what offenses can result in the removal of voting rights and the bar is being lowered all the time. I always hear about misdemeanors being turned into felonies, never the other way around. Prison sentences are also getting longer all the time.
This will eventually result in the creation of a permanent, disenfranchised underclass. They will be poor, undereducated and denied of social benefits. Since they can't vote, they can only lose more and more rights as time goes on. They will feel like the world is conspiring against them, and they will find solace in each other. If history is any indication, groups of such people is at best unproductive and a drain on society, and at worst a danger to everyone.
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Everyone knows what the problem is. Guns.
My country largely banned guns after we had a massacre. Unless you have a pretty good reason to have one (sport or farmers for instance), and even then you can only get certain types and limited capacity, it has to be registered and you need to maintain your license.
Number of massacres in last 2 decades: ZERO
Do criminals still get guns? Yes. But it is amazingly difficult and costs tens of thousands in some cases to obtain them on the black market because of scarecity.
If there is a shooting, even if nobody is hurt, itâ(TM)s front page news. Thatâ(TM)s how rare and shocking gun crime is here.
I play violent video games now and then, havenâ(TM)t killed anyone or even thought about it. Even if I did, itâ(TM)d not be easy to get a firearm and do it. Iâ(TM)d probably get picked up before that.
The US Should rather regulate Guns.
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Yep high time to play them
Perhaps we should wrap President Trump in barbed wire and shoot him into the sun. I think that would solve quite a few of Americas problems right there.
My 2 cents.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
There's no other real explanation. He literally described MPAA's rating system.
Australian here. The gun buyback scheme, which massively reduced gun ownership, caused a substantial decrease in the gun homicide rate ... and a substantial increase in the non-gun homicide rate. People committed homicide with knives instead.
See crime statistics here. The gun buyback scheme was in 1996. Note that the homicide rate remains unchanged. The rate of other violent crimes, however, *increased* - possibly gun ownership was having a deterrent effect?
We have to do something about the ease of procuring a gun. No-one has been murdered by a video game (though there have been a few cases of murder over a video game), therefore video games are not the problem. you don't see brit blaming Jamie Oliver and Nigella Lawson for the high rate of knife crime, however they're always using knives on daytime TV, which even a 5 year old can watch.
If you gave me a choice between a printer and a giraffe with explosive diarrhoea, i'll get my ladder and my raincoat
"It would take generations to get rid of all of them" - so you can stop people from having guns, it just takes time.
Seizing guns can easily work here. You use social media as probable cause for search warrants, so when some hayseed on Gab talks about their "226 pound/556 kilo dog", that can be acted on like a death threat. Mandatory minimum sentencing (which both sides have approved of), and which has reduced the crime rate in the US across the board since the 1980s since it was put in place. Then, post-sentencing commitments. A lot of states do this for uncurable child molesters, and by taking the gun nuts off the street forever, it sets an example.
All it takes is Congress to pass it, and the law will be upheld by the SC due to the "WELL REGULATED MILITIA" part of the 2A, which reads as banning civilian ownership completely. Ammo bans (where possession of any ammo grants the same charge as a firearm), and bans on gunpowder and brass will ensure that someone's homemade Saturday Night Special is not going to have anything to fire.
The Aussies don't fear mass murders anymore. Time we did the same, as our kids > some hick's guns.
...A kid who posted a comment on youtube about wanting to be a professional school shooter...
the term "school shooter" does not originate from video games or movies. This kid absolutely and with out a doubt sought nothing more than to mimic the behavior of past school shooters... It's just that simple.
If you want to stop people from shooting up their highschools, how about we focus on why the fuck some one decide to do that in the first place.
You can blame video games, movies, and guns. If absolutely no violence in video games or movies existed and NO ONE had access to guns EVER; then, what would you have? You'd have school stabbings (this has also happened before). And supposing no one had access to a damn CUTTING tool beyond a butter knife; then, you'd have kids stabbing with pencils (this too happens).
So rather than being logical, rational, sane creatures, what do we do? We plug all the electrical sockets in the house, make sure all the cupboards can't be opened with out a lock or some fancy device, then maybe we start padding the walls, then maybe we lock ourselves inside the house, cause god forbid some kid gets a hold of a stick...
Basically what we are talking about is sticks, stones, bones, rocks. I mean give me a fucking break. You could take some one's eye out with a spoon if you were that committed to pure violence.
So the next step is to blame the parents or authority figures. I'd say the parents are a good place to start. Furthermore, perhaps the teachers...
You also have to realize that the friction created from these types of events; the, targeted systematic conditioning responses, also create problems. It's sort of like trying shove a square peg into a circular hole. You can do it with enough force; but, it doesn't fit.
Modern American culture and values, or lack their of, is where it begins. The way to prevent this kid from doing what he wound up doing; was, probably preventable during his early child hood developement. Very, very, simply, he decided the best way to get attention, to be heard, was to do... what he did.
The root of the problem and where things REALLY begin is BEFORE conception... Yes.
1. PROPER sex education (not just scaring kids with diseased reproductive organs and explaining the mechanics).
1.a. Sex is necessary for reproduction, and if done properly is very enjoyable.
1.b. Use and have access to condoms, birth control, mutual respect, understanding, etc.. etc...
Children who are brought into really shitty circumstance have a VAST disadvantage to their planned and wanted counterparts. This is where the idea of sex before marriage comes from. They did not have birth control or even condoms back then. So the best bet for the child was to be born after a marriage into a ready, waiting, fertile family environment.
THAT is the FIRST LINE DEFENSE in preventing school shootings. And that is MORE than enough for ANYONE to work on improving. You could be born into a family of for hire soldiers and so long as they planned for your birth and both wanted you, you'd be better adjusted to your respective cultural norms.
After that stage the SECOND LINE DEFENSE is the community. The family unit is the beginning. Outside of that is the community. At this point and beyond there is just too much more to say; except that, the USA is a country where you could live next door to a family of racist Christians who own 8 guns, 2 of which are fully automatics; and, their neighbors could have a 17 year old boy who identifies as a Buddhist woman. Then 100 miles over you might have a family who has several copies of the Quran in their house. These are some wildly different family cultural environments and the differences can be hard to reconcile.
All the ground rules are laid out to honor all of this, though. Freedom of religion. Freedom of speech. Freedom of the press. Pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness. The right to bare arms. etc.. etc..
And then, sometimes you just hav
Unfortunately there is little the FBI can do.
If he had articulated an actual threat then they could intervene and stop him, but that's particularly hard. If he were planning it with somebody else then it's a conspiracy and the crime commences before the shooting, but as a lone wolf he's hard to stop.
With current gun laws there is nothing that the FBI can do to prevent a crime that has not yet been committed. It's not like they can just say "you seem dangerous so we're going to luck you up or take away your guns". Changing gun laws so that people like the shooter didn't have access to guns would be the only way to make it so a tip to the FBI would help.
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Going to go full disagreement with you on this one.
And you'd be wrong. One of the good things about living in the UK is the fact that the most dangerous thing a criminal can threaten me with is a knife but most wont even have one of those. Our criminals are cowards and we have a much lower rate of violent crime as a result.
The problem with the US is, and you are part of that problem, that it refuses to admit it's society has a problem. America with Guns is like an alcoholic with a bottle of scotch, they don't believe they have an issue even when they're dying of renal failure and will use any excuse in the book not to change.
Now introducing gun control wont fix the issue, gun control will come as a natural consequence of fixing the issue of fixing the broken ideas in your society. This has to happen at every level from the top down. The first part is admitting that the American attitude towards firearms is foolhardy and dangerous and that gun owners need to take more responsibility. The same will be true of licensing and registration of firearms, it will be a natural consequence of a more sensible and mature attitude around firearms.
Gun control has worked in Australia and the UK because gun owners saw it as the right thing to do after the Port Arthur massacre in Australia and the Dunblane shootings in the UK. Gun owners in these countries are responsible (yes, contrary to what the NRA would have you believe, you can own a gun in Australia or the UK) and irresponsible gun owners have their firearms taken away. Until the US changes its attitudes, innocent people will continue to be gunned down needlessly and senselessly.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
I love how Trump ignores the elephant in the room, and instead goes hunting fleas that may or may not have anything to do with all the broken china.
Austrailia HASN'T HAD a mass shooting since they introduced gun regulations. I don't care if criminals have guns, quite frankly, because they aren't the ones walking into schools and killing innocents. The fact is, every country with run regulation laws has a MUCH LOWER rate of gun injuries and death. It's just a fact.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
Bang!
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How many people walked into a school and killed 13 people before they were stopped, while the person with the gun cowers outside?
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
I mean with a knife.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
Nitrocellulose is an amazingly simple substance to create. People were making it in their kitchens in the 1800s. Making it so that it burns consistently is more difficult.
Primers are the hard part. They aren't difficult to make, but they are extremely dangerous in any sort of quantity.
Florida could make a distinction between felonies like violent crimes VS what are basically civil violations of not following the rules made up by the various government agencies. Such a distinction is made for many other things, so why not voting rights?
Except, the very acts that might reasonably make one's fellow voters not want to trust one with having their hand (indirectly, by voting) on the machinery of government could well be non-violent offenses. Somebody who has shown a willingness to engage in felony corruption around bribery, or stealing the retirement funds of senior citizens, or similar non-violent offenses, are showing me more reason to distrust their suitability for civil engagement than some fifty year old guy who hung out with the wrong people when he was 18 and got caught up as an associate of some gang member or liquor store robber.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
But this rock and roll the kids speak of. What's being done about that? And how do I keep it off my lawn?
Care killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back.
>>Which is why we license the drivers independently of registering the vehicles.
Thanks for the heads up, I guess were done with the analogies...
Barack Obama was an undocumented immigrant, you mean criminal aliens...
Yup, they made it easier for criminal aliens to get drivers licenses.
The good old US tax payer funded the assistance
The travesty of the license was not for driving a car it was so that they would have ID to make it easier to latch on to social assistance not that many of them seemed to have trouble with this before.
Because it's way too easy (and in the current atmosphere, far too likely) to have a checkbox on the gun application, "Happens to align to [political orientation]." If you can make sure that all those rabid, crazy lunatic liberals / conservatives / flavor of the month CAN'T get their hands on a dangerous firearm, why, you'd be a fool not to! Obviously if someone's listening to THAT political rabble-rouser that I happen to disagree with, they're mentally unfit to bear arms.
The entire issue with the right to bear arms is about making certain that the people of this country can possess the same types of firearms as those that the nation's military use.
This is so that "when" the government becomes a tyranny, it can be overthrown without half or more of the population being killed "by" the government.
It was likely intended so that state "militia" would have those weapons, but with the National Guard being considered the state's "militia" these days, the individual people need access to these guns,
The Federal government, well on its way to becoming, if not already there, a tyrannical entity and with ever more reporting of police officers, state troopers becoming bands of thieves stealing from people carrying "gasp" cash or debit cards, and killing unarmed people just because they "can" are adding to this tyranny.
We're well beyond the timeline that Thomas Jefferson believed would be the "limit" of time between uprisings and government overthrow, and the "laws" being written these days show that. What with corporations and rich individuals "buying" laws to protect their investments instead of laws to protect the "people" from these same said corporations or individuals (not sure why I used or, since the SCotUS considers corporations to "be" individuals).
This country is heading for a time when we're going to have to overthrow the corrupt tyranny that is supposed to be serving us, not their wallets.
When that time arrives, everyone but the corrupt government will be DAMNED glad we have that "right" to bear arms. We're certainly going to need it.
in our criminal justice system. That's fine so long as you're aware of what you're asking for.
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Do you think there should be limits on your self defense from any would be assailant by the government?
A gun is an equalizer and a deterrent. Grandma can defend herself from Bubba. Bubba has to think twice about an armed would-be victim. That will not happen with a knife or a phone call.
A gun is a tool. A tool which is violent by nature because we live in a violent world not a world of angels. Violence can come from many different places or people or institutions. Violence from the government. Violence from a mob or Violence from foreign would-be invaders. All have a common recourse of action and the gun has the infamy of equalizing any encounter. No standing army can hold America because Grandma can shoot Private Bubba.
Yes, video games are violent. But, they have ratings. If you think a game is too violent for your kid, then enforce your rules in your own family. Speaking as a 55+ year old gamer (my wife gives me the rules for when I can game), I wonder about the kids I hear in my headset and how they probably have no adult supervision. Although, I did "witness" one kid cussing into his mic and hearing his dad yell in the background, "What did I just hear you say? I told you what would happen." Then I heard the kid plead that he was in the middle of a mission and "please don't take my XB...(dead air, 'foulmouthkid has disappeared' and probably been murderized by his father)"
Agreed, and in response to parent, I read his article, and was actually starting to change my long term belief because it was mostly credible. Then I got to this (search for 'and concluded'):
Did Australia and Great Britain’s reforms prevent mass shootings? It’s hard to say, simply because mass shootings are relatively rare. In the post-buyback period, Great Britain has had one massacre with guns while Australia has had none. It’s hard to calculate how many would have been expected without a ban. Australia looks more successful in this regard, because it had more frequent mass shootings before the ban (averaging about two mass shootings every three years from 1979 to 1996.3)
So one of the article's most important argument legs is that you can't statistically prove Australia's buyback program had any impact. But:
before the buyback, mass shootings: 2 out of every 3 years
after the buyback, mass shootings: 0 in 20 years
You can't draw a statistical conclusion from that? Cmon, man.
so you think that you cannot kill 100 people with a handgun? where you a soldier in france? I can absolutely promise you that armed with a Glock22 (.40 caliber) I could easily dispatch 100 people, especially in a gun-free zone. Why would you say otherwise if you really were an ex soldier? Even if you limited my 15rd mag to a 10rd mag I can insert a new mag long before someone hiding, trying not to get shot, can rally and try to charge me.
secondly we cannot buy assault rifles in the united states (unless manufactured prior to 1984). The only thing we own are replica of assault rifles, ie ones that look like the m-16 or m-4. They do not fire 600 rounds per minute like the m-4. They fire about as fast as you can pull a trigger. However, they do often come with a 30 round magazine. But does that really matter? During Vietnam we waged war with the M16A1 and the magazine was a 10 round magazine. It sure as hell did not stop it from being effective and that was fighting against people shooting back at you. In a gun-free-zone scenario, where you are shooting unarmed masses, will the 4 seconds it takes to swap a magazine really make a difference if you had to do it 6 times vs 1 time in order to shoot 60 rounds? If you really were an ex-soldier, and you actually had to use these weapons, surely you practiced how to quickly load a fresh magazine into your battery compartment. How fast did you get?
as far as the right to bear arms, it has nothing to do with muskets. It has to do with evening the odds. If the citizens only get revolvers, then the police should only be able to have revolvers. The supreme court said as much in 1939. Our constitution clearly says _no standing army_. The people, meaning us, were supposed to be armed and WE, the people, the militia, were to be the ones to go to war. Would you go to war with a musket if all the other countries were using lever action rifles? Few understand the point behind the 2nd amendment. Hell if we got rid our illegal standing army and went back to We the People, being the militia, and issued us real asault rifles, most likely we would never EVER get involved in a war unless war came to us. Its one thing to send someone elses kid off to war when your some rich dude or some senator. Its an entirely different thing to yearn for conflict and war when you yourself will have to be the one to pick up your rifle and risk your own life. THAT was the idea of our second amendment.
There are no legal requirements to have a driver's license to purchase a vehicle. You would be required to provide proof of your identity for the purpose of titling and licensing the vehicle. It may also be required to provide proof of your identity for some of the financial aspects of the transaction. None of the elements require a driver's license be your proof of identity. State issued ID cards and passports would work.
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There was a recent study showing nearly all the firearms used in major recent US mass shootings are available for purchase legally, in Canada. Perhaps it's the culture, not the guns.
Comandante Chavez, is that you? *sigh*
The NRA is toxic. They will do anything to sell more guns.
They actually like these school shootings, more guns get sold after each massacre. It's sick, but it's just business to them. More guns, more profit, more lobbying, more influence.
Sell to the bad guys. Profit. Sell to the good guys. Profit. Play up the safety needs (that they had a hand in creating) and claim that everyone needs a gun for 'safety'!
This won't end until the NRA (and their apologists) are cut down to size.
Don't be a sucker. He's not trying to fix the problem of people being murdered. He's trying to fix the problem of people holding gun manufacturers responsible for people being murdered. Blame "anything but guns" is straight out of the NRA playbook.
Mass shootings or mass killings? Different method, identical results.
When was the last time someone walked into a school and knifed 13 students to death in one event?
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
Honestly, the biggest disservice people are going to themselves here is expecting ANY solution to be a total solution. You know what? Regulate guns and people will still die from guns, and there will still be bad people with guns. But what almost every other developed nation in the world shows us is that you vastly reduce gun violence if you put a limit on the kind of gun a person can own. I mean, gun deaths are 10 TIMES HIGHER in the US than they are in Canada for crying out loud. Are there some bad people in Canada with guns? Absolutely! But yet very little gun crime. To be fair there was one mass shooting in 1989 in Montreal, but that's pretty much it. But at least parents don't have to be afraid about sending their kids to school.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
Trump is just the most obvious example of the deficit in thinking power in the Republican Party (and their voters). You'd have to be "special" to vote for more military spending and guns while they cut your pension, deny you health care, starve your schools and send your job to China or Mexico (while pretending not to) then test you like shit....and then want to build a freaking wall with the money they say they don't have for all the stuff you really need. America....... Are you REALLY this dumb? So far...... Looks like it.
Only boring people are ever bored.
Thatâ(TM)s actually not true. Even by your inflated definition (the definition commonly in use is 4 or more people shot, not including the perp), there have been multiple mass shootings.
At least one in 2002, one in 2006, and 2 in 2014.
And that doesnâ(TM)t count rampage shootings or spree shootings, which differ only in where the shootings take place relative to one another.
Repeating a false claim doesnâ(TM)t actually make the claim true.
Has anybody asked him why the pacman generation didn't wander around buildings with corridors while eating M&Ms? The asteroids generation? Did they shoot at rocks? Donkey Kong...?
The real question is why didn't the pacman/asteroids/donkeykong generation wander around the school shooting people? Something has changed and it wasn't the guns. That generation had the AR-15 too. Oh excuse me, using the Mini-14 as they saw the A-Team doing on TV?
In the environmental movement in the 60s, businesses rightly were concerned that their profits would be impacted by being pressured to take action to limit environmental damage. They responded with an anti-littering campaign. This gave the public at large a thing to do, conferring the illusion that they were making a difference, and made it their problem. So you could have cleaner streets while coughing your lungs out. Problem solved!
in video games. Stop littering the map with fresh clips and the country should be safer.
We have to do something about what [kids are] seeing and how they're seeing it
Well, how about doing something about kids seeing their schoolmates shot to bits in their classrooms. Show me someone that was killed by violent media and I'll consider it, but all I can see is half-man-half-jaffacake dodging the issue.
I'm fortunate enough to live in a country where there are fairly strict firearm control laws. While I will acknowledge that this means the government could roll in and repress the fuck out of me, it doesn't seem to be happening. As an aside, firearm homicides are a tiny proportion of fatalities. Methinks a lot of the proponents of the second amendment aren't all that good at risk analysis.
I don't want to argue in favour of the 'do-nothing' crowd, but statistics would suggest that the results here are absolute outliers due to infrequencies top-and-bottom.
Which leads me to a conclusion: if the results were statistically valid, it would be an absolute recommendation for proper firearm-control laws.
Not that I'm saying this would actually happen, but were the mass shooting figures in USA drop by even 30% following a firearms purge a la Australian method, this would be pretty hefty evidence for all countries to follow suit.
Which would be a financial disaster for the arms industry. Feel free now to join up the dots.
No, you don't have to do anything about violent games and movies.. all you have to do is make it illegal to carry/own fire-arms.. As long as the american people want to be able to buy guns and carry them, the problem won't become less (as you can never fully make it safe anyway). One of the bigger moronic suggestions is arming teachers with guns, yes, that what you really want, more guns in a school. THINK YOU MORONS!
Maybe learn your own language before you start to hector, esl-kun.
LOL, dont be stupid
How about having to prove you are responsible and stable enough to own a gun? People are required to prove they can drive safely before being allowed to get behind the wheel without an instructor.
That means you are being immediately denied a right which is a violation of due process. Some states do exactly that to one degree or another and it has not helped them.
We need more reality TV, right? ...and more Twitter?
One thing that has changed is that as a culture we've conditioned students not to fight back against bullies. We coddle our children, we give out participation awards and we raise them not to fight back. Yet the bullying continues unabated. Kids try to get by but the current coddling / caring culture leaves them without the tools they need to survive harsh reality, and so some percentage of them, feeling like they are out of options, resort to extreme measures.