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Chinese Journalist Banned From Flying, Buying Property Due To 'Social Credit Score' (cbslocal.com)
schwit1 shares a report from CBS Local: China is rolling out a high-tech plan to give all of its 1.4 billion citizens a personal score, based on how they behave. But there are consequences if a score gets too low, and for some that's cause for concern. When Liu Hu recently tried to book a flight, he was told he was banned from flying because he was on the list of untrustworthy people. Liu is a journalist who was ordered by a court to apologize for a series of tweets he wrote and was then told his apology was insincere. "I can't buy property. My child can't go to a private school," he said. "You feel you're being controlled by the list all the time." And the list is now getting longer as every Chinese citizen is being assigned a social credit score -- a fluctuating rating based on a range of behaviors. It's believed that community service and buying Chinese-made products can raise your score. Fraud, tax evasion and smoking in non-smoking areas can drop it.
Wow, who knew!
..and thought 'That's a good idea!'.... Scary..
The Big Brother is raising his younger siblings right. Apologize or go to bed without dinner. What a great prospect for the future. It always starts with 'bad' people and before you know it you are labeled a terrorist for expressing your opinion.
sudo rm -r -f --no-preserve-root /
Welcome to the world predicted in Black Mirror! Lets abolish all these scores and be/become human!
We are suckers. They block us from freely trading in China, look up what you have to do and what you have to conform to do business in China as a foreiger, but we allow them to do as they please here.
We are so fucking stupid. Block the fucking dudes already.
In the US they just put you in the no-fly list with no explanation and you are pretty much screwed.
The chinese at least give you some feedback to "improve".
Although it seems to over control the population it does have some merit. Imagine a world in which those that behave well have far more privilege than those that misbehave. This could start early in life with credit given for those who do well in their studies, take on extras such as school sports teams, school bands etc.. Further those that wish to come and do maintenance for the school a few hours a week could start to step ahead of those that do not. Rewards for doing the right thing might offer a better life for all in society. Even if you are in a very low scoring group the people that feed and take care of the sick and homeless it my well be by volunteers who are earning more points. Look at some of the current people in our government. Many of them are terrible and items like being only allowed to live in low class housing might be wonderful for society as every time they get caught doing wrong their lives decline. As an example Trump has a terrible record socially. his cheating and crimes are well known. Instead of being president he should be allowed only the most humble jobs and living conditions.
How does this differ from money? don't have money.. you're not allowed on the flight.. Follow the law, work hard, earn money.. omly then you're allowed on the flight.
We have "demerit" points on our drivers license here in Ontario. As long as the system is transparent (you broke this law, -25 points, you paid your tax on time, +2 points, etc.) then it's not so bad. Post the account history publicly for each person. However, if the algorithm is a secret, that's a really big problem. You know all the Supreme Leader's buddies are going to have padded scores, right...
"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain
Whatever abuse can happen, WILL HAPPEN. If you give power to the state then it's guaranteed someone will come and use it in the worst ways imaginable.
Socialist dream (tm).
Don't tell anyone what rises or lowers your score and you're one step closer to a religion.
But seriously, that would actually increase the effectiveness of something like this. Nobody is better at coming up with things to do and not to do than the people themselves, they'll regulate their lives in ways you wouldn't even think possible just to suck up to big daddy.
Could anyone stop the planet, I want to get off.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of SJWs suddenly cried out in agreement and were suddenly scheming.
On a smaller scale, imagine the uproar if slashdot visitors were scored based on their comments, and even had their opinions hidden by default if the ruling party didn't like what was said!
Speaking out against government? No flying. Voicing your concern over a policy that negatively affects you? No school for your kids.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
So, you could, for instance, invest in some local firm or support some party member.
So at least a solution for rich people exists. Whew. For a moment I was worried the law would apply to them for a change.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
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Government cannot make man richer, but it can make him poorer. - Ludwig von Mises
for sure also soon arriving next to you, e.g. in the USA, ... :-/
That's how I envisaged this passage would work:
And he [the "Beast"] causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. (Revelation 13:16-17 King James Version)
You acts (symbolized by right hand) or thinking (symbolized by forehead) not conforming to society's norms (actually, what society is told the norms are - symbolized by the mark of the beast)? Then you will be censured by restricting your economic activities, even the unrelated ones.
Nice alpha testing there to smooth out the bugs before the international roll-out...
Then there's those Southern Baptists still waiting for the bar code and/or implanted microchip. (Which admittedly will make the administration of such a system even easier.)
(Posting AC because of unpopular view - not following the /. groupthink. Hmmm the irony.)
If by throwaway you mean 100% ontopic and relevant and historical then it's because that is how we predict the future, by past experience! Of course not all of us, some of us are more pie in the sky type of ppl. Do you know the definition of insanity ?
Lets make a new category for a political refugee status: subjected to a low social credit score.
This system sounds almost exactly like the 'Black Mirror' episode 'Nosedive'. Everybody should watch that episode and think about what such a social credit system might mean in practice.
Nosedive
Either way, I confidently predict widespread hacking, with serious consequences.
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Is it? Just think of how much better Slashdot (all other forums too) would be if our society implemented this system? Instead of completely cancelling comments like Popular Science, or the cesspool that's Reddit. Things would actually work the way they're suppose to. Too much of our world (and getting worse) is based upon, "I can do whatever I want and not suffer for it".
INTERNATIONALLY
Christ the governments of Canada, New Zealand, Australia are retarded.
Selling the god damn locals out for profit.
Housing is insane in these 3 countries, immigration is insane in them, this needs to stop, it's ridiculous
It is not a social credit score. Social implies that it is somehow derived from how other people perceive you, where each person can have a greatly different view of you. It also implies that everyone is free to use, or not use, these scores as they see fit.
Neither is the case, there is nothing social about it. It is a mandatory government conformance and compliance score. It is an instrument of oppression.
Social credit system soon coming to a country near you.....or maybe YOUR country.
If any western government tried something like this, every single citizen and their dog would know about it. I've asked some locals in China about it, none of them had a clue about what I was talking about.
He knows if you've been naughty or nice. Maybe Xi is really Santa in disguise.
The same system applies in the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
China just copied the model.
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Never thought I'd see whuffie in real life, but this is at least its evil cousin.
Does this refer to US or China? its not obvious from the context (or maybe there is little difference).
I don't know a lot about China, but I do know the US no fly list is troubling; Both republicans and democrats agree with that.
Republicans say you can't prevent people on the no fly list from buying whatever guns they want since it is largely unaccountable and unquestionable. Democrats say. Okay scratch that. As much as I wish Democrats seemed concerned about this list, they don't really seem that concerned. They are okay with using it to ban guns. I suppose people with a more libertarian mindset would argue that again it is unaccountable and such.
Preventing people from something like flying is a very serious thing, since it limits job opportunities, vacations, freedom of movement, etc, etc. I'm not really trying to argue against such a list, but rather to argue for transparency and the right of Judicial review. I thought there was some movement there, but I haven't heard much lately. At any rate, make the list accountable, give people the right to question it, and make the process simple. Do all that and it could potentially used to restrict gun purchases as well as whether or not you can fly. Again, it should be high bar to get on such lists. It is not a small thing.
As far as any Chinese list goes, well it should of course have similar protections.
I could see a social credit score system easily coming to the United States because the big data miners like Facebook, Google, Amazon, etc. would drool at the opportunity like that for a new source of revenue. I'll bet even the credit bureaus are watching the experiment in China unfold and are plotting how they could implement a similar system here in the United States.
They don't have scholarships in China?
pay attention. they are doing this globally. they are tracking candidate influencers worldwide. they are tracking candidate opposition worldwide.
They really do want to take over the world. They really are playing the long-game, and playing to win.
If you don't pay attention, then your grand-kids will kiss their butts goodbye, and need to learn Mandarin to get by. think about it.
--nomsg
I'd just like to blow this world to smithereens once and for all. Lunacy is the apocalypse !!
So has this site just succumbed to bots and ivans, or are you all genuinely that fucking stupid and full of shit? Cya later slashdot, which I could say it's been nice but since about 2011 this place has been full to the brim with hateful neckbeard cunts and incel types. Have fun killing yourselves.
extra credits did this video more than 2 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHcTKWiZ8sI&vl=en
Voicing your concern over a policy that negatively affects you? No school for your kids.
We're already almost there. Express any concerns about your kids getting "educated" on the current government's ideas of sexual morality? You're some kind of antisocial weirdo.
Well it IS China after all... Sounds exactly like the black mirror episode "Nosedive".
https://www.irs.gov/businesses...
Starting January 22, 2018, passengers with a driver's license issued by a state that is still not compliant with the REAL ID Act (and has not been granted an extension) will need to show an alternative form of acceptable identification for domestic air travel to board their flight.
Prove anything by multiplying Huge Number times Tiny Number
I decided to post rather than parent down.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
...as under a dictatorship. The only difference is that a dictator does everything openly without caring what others think, and in a free society, the actions is hidden.
Have you heard about the Noflylist in the USA?
It may not be government mandated, but wow...more and more you're starting to see this if you voice an opinion that isn't in line with the new progressive mind hive.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
because our right wing, pro corporate media doesn't cover it. I only know about it because a video blog on youtube called "Extra Credits" covered it. It's horrifying, but what can I do about it? Are we going to punish China for it? No, we are not. We need their cheap goods to maintain our meager quality of life in the face of globalism. This isn't going to change how anyone on this _forum_ votes much less in the country.
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Fraud? Doesn't that make 99% of Party members unable to own property and travel?
For the journalist, take a boat, then use your passport in the next country over.
"It's believed that... buying Chinese-made products can raise your score."
Some say that Trump's tariffs will start a trade war. China is already fighting it.
A whole lot of work to, if they hate their countrymen so much they could just bomb their own country, seems like a really round about way to get people to give up living. If a world where you have to fit it, their isn't much motivation to get out of bed. It has to be okay to be disruptive or the days end up being rehashes in the same theme. Boring .
"smoking in non-smoking areas can drop it."
Nothing wrong with this part of it.
To many times have I had a meal out ruined by addicts who can't go 30 minutes without lighting up where is says not to.
In fact, go further. Banning all smokers from flying is a great idea. Even when they aren't smoking they smell. Ok, maybe not that far :).
You have nine--thousand--six--hundred--eighty--two demerits.
it's by design
Not for private Chinese schools, they have scholarships for students studying abroad with the hope that a large portion of those will bring back the knowledge and expertise we have here in higher education.
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Go take your Ritalin
Yeah, what a perfect hacking target! It can range from manipulating scores for profit, making your elected officials have really bad scores, slowly and secretly poisoning the data until it's no longer trusted, to destroying it and keeping it destroyed.
ON DELETE CASCADE
This is how you create criminals. Great Job!
Reminds me of that episode of Black Mirror with the social media scores. Hopefully that journalist didn't make a scene at the airport and get himself on double damage.
the nazis banned the jews from doing stuff and later on sent them off to camps.
With the Chinese, at least the government is the doing the scoring, so you can understand the nature of the beast
I hope you are joking or this was sarcastic. Chinese transparency isn't high on the priority list in that system of government.
With the Chinese, at least the government is the doing the scoring, so you can understand the nature of the beast....
Which is that it is tied into every single company which is why he can't fly, or get loans, nor have a kid in private school...
with the US, you're really throwing yourself on the court of public opinion
Which also holds no power over who you can and cannot do business with, nor is tied into various government agencies like the TSA so you can still fly.
And you are painting the situation in China as better???
And providing your social media accounts is now mandatory to enter the US.
Half right.
Yes but they are only looking at that for purpose of visit, to understand if you might overstay a visa.
It's NOT mandatory for U.S. citizens to provide social media accounts to enter the country. In China you are not even allowed to *leave* if your social score is bad enough.
And once you are in the U.S. your Facebook Score doesn't matter for what you can do.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I agree, when has "abstinence only" sex ed ever worked?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Fraud, tax evasion and smoking in non-smoking areas can drop it
Yeah - there are consequences for these things here too. I guess the point is that they don't all add up against you but there again there are examples of harsher sentencing for repeat offenders, 3-strikes laws etc.
Nullius in verba
A no fly list. How innovative. I wonder how they came up with an idea like that?
Have gnu, will travel.
I have to admit that I like the idea of seeing assholes suffer for being assholes.
But the problem is...the definition of "asshole" is being determined by the worst assholes of them all.
Let's all thank China for introducing this dystopian idea to the world, thus teaching everyone how dystopic this idea is.
If Apple had come up with this idea, we'd be fucked.
* No-fly list
* Various post-conviction lists
Our next lesson will be on how our society pushes people to the lowest possible class and economic opportunity, and then works hard to keep them there for life. Please attend.
Look at which party is currently in the White House.
Now, think of who would be oppressed by a system like this? Who do you think sets the rules for bureaucracy? It ain't your SJW friends, buddy.
"don't do the crime if you can't do the time..."
Great slogan, but useless. Most criminals/drug addicts/... have huge (really Yuge!) discount factors: almost any small payoff today is worth it despite large negative consequences tomorrow.
I'm sure a certain level of computer skills can get you a good score and perhaps be used to derail that person you don't like. ( assuming of coarse you don't get caught.)
I wonder how much you loose in you credit score for not being an atheist. ( I'm sure it is a good chunk from the people I've talked too.)
Of coarse if there is no God, why shouldn't it be that way. As Pavalov put it 'The sooner human beings get over this idea that free will exists and get on with the business of governing the human race , the better off we will all be". Pretty much consistent with Stalin , Lenin, Hitler and Mussolini. Unless we forget , the Chinese government today is a intellectual descendant of Lenin and Stalin and helped into power by nothing less then the communist party of the USSR.
âoeTolerance applies only to persons, but never to truth. Intolerance applies only to truth, but never to persons.
Always the victim, the guy who wishes he could treat people terribly without anyone calling him out on it.
China is *all about* stability. Chaos is what they fear, and rightly so. They had quite enough chaos in the last 150 years and Trump's tariffs are threatening even more.
Wow, you are lumping together the deaths of hundreds of millions with a tariff, that didn't even get implemented.
Truly Trump haters are bat-shit insane crazy, like the kind of crazy that literally set fire to themselves because they are so crazy. And people wonder why Trump is on such a winning streak, with people as crazily and slavishly devoted to introducing Trump in any topic on conversation, sane people shy away from you lot in droves.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Always the sjw, cheering for tyranny under the guise of fighting for the supposedly downtrodden, with all of this control fakery motivated by massive insecurity
You think that Freedom of Speech is only for you and your like-minded buddies. I'm sure that you get off ranting about SJWs, brown people and the metric system.
You see, you revealed the small problem with your argument. "It may not be government mandated..." So it isn't government mandated then, so what is the problem? Oh I know, Obama is going to implement your hated Social Justice Score, right?
No, Obama's out of power. Well the current SJW occupying the White House, he's going to do it, damn his progressive hide!!!
No, your Orange God occupies the White House. Hmmm, that's strange.
WTF exactly is your problem then?
The actual behavior isn't new. What's changing is the list of values that you're expected to comply with.
Just like that episode of The Orville. Who's to say that people don't make up shit about people they don't like so they can get their 'social credit score' dinged to ruin their lives for them? Who's to say that the Communist Chinese government isn't doing exactly that; making up shit about people who are 'inconvenient' or 'undesirable' to them but otherwise are fine, just to wreck them? We all know the best way to destroy someone is not killing them, that just creates a martyr (and you can't keep hurting someone who is dead); it's to discredit and disgrace them publicly, then they're a living reminder (and you can keep hurting them forever). The Communist Chinese government is a bunch of fucking assholes.
This is why I, Anonymous Coward, don't worry about the threat of Chinese technology: they are strongly opposed to the kind of open society that produced integrated circuits and the internet. They don't have unlimited access for research, if they did they might accidentally learn about what happened in Tienamen Square in 1989. They will steal the technology, and they will abuse anything the West discovers to control their own population, but they will never win the innovation war.
I dunno, I felt MUCH more free to say things in the past, humorists were able to say more things, be more controversial (at least post the 50's)....
I find it to be very limiting today.
Many of those "new values" are just downright 180 degrees from anything that has been the norm in the US, and it is really starting to get to the point to where almost NOTHING will be said anymore.
Noting of merit, or controversy....
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
Devil's advocate here: Shouldn't the West adopt this method?
No.
This can penalize unpopular behaviors as well
Thank you for highlight one reason why.
giving ardent 2A supporters the choice between having military weapons or being able to interact and have full access to society's benefits will definitely be useful
Only for people that don't believe in democracy.
They can either give up membership, or be part of society; not both.
If thoughtcrime becomes illegal you're the first cunt against the wall.
Everyone has a level playing field.
Oh sweet sweet summer child.
Overall, this might be viewed as a tool of a repressive government
..because it is.
realistically, this is a way to keep order
So is the gulag system. I don't support that either.
and is the best thing modern technology has for doing so
I reject your 'order' and will happily do so with extreme violence. Fuck you and your authoritarianism.
How the fuck did you associate the parent AC with the people he himself describes as SJW?
You're a bigger fuckwit than he is.
You can get thrown out of a bar for wearing a MAGA hat
Bars are indoors. Hats should not be worn indoors. You should throw anybody out for being stupid enough to wear their hat indoors.
Take the fucking hat off or get the fuck out.
You can get fired for making a political contribution to a ballot initiative.
You can get fired if the boss doesn't like your blue socks. It's a good old right-wing principle, freedom to dismiss your employees.
Maybe your should campaign for that left-wing policy, employment protection, where your boss has to have a valid reason to fire you or it's unfair dismissal.
You can get thrown out of a bar for wearing a MAGA hat.
Yeah, and again, good old right-wing principle, freedom to not serve, same would apply if bar owner took exception to your pro-choice t-shirt or your Dallas cowboys shirt.
Maybe you should be campaigning for a law to force all businesses to serve everyone regardless? Sounds a bit anti-freedom though.
You can become public enemy #1 for "refusing to denounce" something.
Pretty meaningless hypebole, pretty much boils down to you are free to speak and others free to criticize what you say.
You can "be" a hateful bigot for holding Bill and Hillary Clinton's and Barack Obama's (first term) position on marriage being for a man and a woman. Again, pretty meaningless but if it means anything it's you are free to speak and others free to criticize what you say. Also a lot of right-wingers seem to make a very good living from condemning gay marraige or just gays in general.
You are branded a "denier" (like a Holocaust denier, get it?? you are horrific and untouchable) for declining to believe what you have been instructed to believe about climate change. Not for actually doing anything polluting, mind you, just for refusing to offer your pinch of incense to the statue of belief.
Same again. And again a lot of right-wingers seem to make a very good living out of precisely this.
Most of this pretty much boils down to you being unhappy about being criticised for your opinions or them having consequences. Seems you don't believe in the freedom to hire/fire or the freedom to serve/not serve customers. Seems like you believe in your free speech but not of those who hold different opinions. Frankly you sound like a bit of a snowflake. Man up.
but wow...more and more you're starting to see this
You're only saying that because people are posting it online. The fact is in terms of social norms the hive mind has always existed and voicing something out of line with that has always vilified the person.
Social justice is nothing new. The only thing new about it is the current flavour of the month.
Sometimes I'm slow on the uptake.
I just realized that false equivalence is everyone's old-fashioned slippery slope goosed up with frictionless ropes, massless pulleys, and FTL travel.
I suspect social exclusion dates back to 93,000 years before Cain and Abel. Some gullible sot (or tribe of gullible sots) bought the story that it was a new squabble.
Make no mistake, what China is doing here is fuck-me-gently totalitarianism.
If I recall the episode, not exactly hardened targets. But this exercise is stupid beyond belief to begin with, because what makes torture torture is the lack of undo/erase/saved game. Hotel California for the nightmare fuel, deep in the ancient brain.
Fuck me gently, relatively speaking (Syriana clawback scene—later, Clooney winces just to dial a phone).
So what does it take to get on the US no fly list? Better yet, what does it take to get off of it?
China is rich now, but their human rights abuses not only continues but seems to be escalating in reach thanks to their newfound wealth.
But they're rich, and that seems enough to garner sympathy from immoral Westerners.
No Chi.com media-banging 5-mile clubbers. So solly .......... Now to repeat with USA Trotsky-slut progresives. Make those bastards walk-thru nibberville and whitesland Ill. Republicans fly-over to crap-bomb SanFran! And no help-parrots to sqauwk! Encourages snowflake suicide hehehe. Frees up the seats and keeps the eats warm.
This is a way of ending a persons life, and providing a politically legitimized means of doing it.
I don't think people understand just how nefarious this is. This can and will be used to control entire societies, in ways that past dictatorships could only dream of.
You can design this system to silence ALL political dissent, in a very subtle and undetectable way - the same way homelessness is legitimized and acceptable politically, in western society - and the way the system works, will encourage the support of everyone in society (lest they literally be scored into oblivion as well, for not cooperating or being enthusiastic enough...).
It makes 1984 look like an Athenian democracy, in comparison. It's one of the most ugly and dangerously totalitarian things I've seen in my lifetime.
Wonder how long it'll be until that's not just a political/advertising thing here, but also more of a legal thing.
Or - maybe it doesn't have to be. There is sufficient power in the big compute companies such as to possibly make legal use of such data redundant.
They do have bank loans in China that can be used to pay for a child's education. And parents can start saving money for their child's education before the child is even born.
And there is nothing to fear when it comes to dealing with the social justice warriors. These guys can't help but irritate the general public with their nonsense. This is the group who played a big part in Clinton not getting elected and ushering in the Trump era. That right there should have the progressives re-evaluating their political platform. They have not asked themselves how their behavior made it possible for someone like Trump to beat them. They never thought their candidate could be defeated and maybe they should ask themselves if they were responsible for their defeat. A lot of people voted for Trump because all the people railing against Trump were insulting a large segment of the population. Any one supporting Trump were described as inbred, non-educated, racists, and rednecks. The condescending attitude when they toned down their attacks just pissed off more people. The far left and far right agitators do not come close to representing the US population. The most diverse population on the planet and still the preferred destination for immigrants wanting a better life. Hundreds of people become US citizens every week in all parts of the country. These are the ones who played by the rules to become naturalized citizens.
The social warriors should dwell on the fact that while they do not support or take advantage of their 2nd Amendment rights their declared enemies do.
Translation: I liked it more when other races, homosexuals, and other nationalities were the butt of all the jokes. Now I'm the target, I find I can dish it out but can't take it. Hypocritical and fragile, I waaaah.
I dunno, I felt MUCH more free to say things in the past, humorists were able to say more things, be more controversial (at least post the 50's)....
Your feelings don't match reality. The 50s is right around when the Cold War started and the second red scare (McCarthyism) happened.
When McCarthyism waned after the late 50s things might have FELT better, but it was still practically taboo to show support for communism or socialism. You can see this in fiction where the bad guys are usually some caricature of communism and/or fascism. No room for marketplace of ideas here.
Instead of blaming video games as they do today, people back then blamed comic books (as they would blame DnD before blaming video games). In response the comic industry self regulated, staying away from controversial topics in their stories. Thus Silver Age comics had all those campy stories, and Adam West's (RIP) career was what it was.
Preach.
There's no 2nd Amendment in Fascist Russia, Ivan.
Ok China shill, I know your masters are really trying to have you promote China and that's fine, but you really should be careful whitewashing the deaths of 1 million people
Granted I had the exact number a bit off, I was thinking more of Russia, but you still look a bit silly arguing the exact number when so many people know what happened generally.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
No...I think we ALL need to be open to be valid targets for criticism and laughter.
Every one of us on earth is flawed and do stupid things, and have things that are funny, even if viewed in a slightly negative manner.
But these days, people are too snowflake for anyone to poke fun at someone else.....with the possible exception of the white guy.
Don't get me wrong, white guys are funny, they do stupid things, etc.
But seriously, why do we have to be careful to whom we point out these bad or funny behaviors?
I saw a commercial on tv, showed a white guy getting caught breaking into a commercial business I think it was. I started thinking, "Wow...wonder what kind of hell would be raised if the criminal were to be portrayed as a less white skinned actor?"
I mean, even though we mostly see on the news the criminals reported aren't just a bunch of white guys....you can't point this out anymore anywhere that it could be a black guy?
You know....those old stereotypes didn't just come out of nowhere, they were based in observable behaviors.
1. White Guys can't dance....well, c'mon quite often, more than not...they don't do so well on the dance floor.
2. Asians can't drive....no, they are just the best in the world. Where did they come up with this?
3. Black guys and penis size....what would you guess on this?
I mean, really....all people are funny...we all do stupid things, and different races have different traits and cultures, that ARE often funny.
But with SJ political correctness....they take the fun out of recognizing and laughing at it all.
Hell, even is unhealthy.....it is so awful these days to get accused of "fat shaming"...when you try to get someone that is morbidly obese to live healthier instead of telling them "its ok, you look wonderful, be yourself, be proud of how you look..and go ahead, have another doughnut".
Common sense has also fallen victim to all this BS.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
Rabbi could have meant that "thank god for the State for it holds of the crazies who want to burn our Geto", or even perhaps singing his own tune as he himself was a figure of authority. Or ofc he could have just been an ordinary collectivist.
I don't buy anything made in China unless I have to. And I'm willing to pay more (and have paid more) for things that were not made there.
It's good that some tech companies push protection of the environment. But I'd be a lot more impressed with the ethics of those companies if they didn't build manufacturing centers, or technology research centers, in China. (See this article: "Apple investing half a billion dollars in Chinese R&D centers as it announces two more".)
Slashdot needs a "give gold" system, similar to Reddit. The parent sums up why.
There are some things that have no merit to a debate. This crap from Black Mirror is something to put in the ashbin of history, with eugenics, racial cleansing, the Inquisition, and other horrors. A "social credit score" is something that will cause blood will be spilled in mass quantities, sooner or later.
What's new is the current flavorS of the month. The US has had a dominant culture for most of its existence, and it's not only splitting, but the minority ones are much more visible. Speaking out against a visible subculture means that subculture is going to say bad things about you, regardless of what subculture that is. If I were to make a public stance that violent video games are bad (which I really don't have evidence for anyway), I'd be similarly roasted for insulting gamers. I've been flamed for saying things that you'd think a SJW would approve of, but not by SJWs.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
The writers of Black mirror either saw what was happening in China or they were inspired by the previous ideas of a social credit.
Either way, China's plans for social credit predate the series and not knowing about them indicates por access to news.
what Li Wenzu's score must be - - she's the loyal and loving wife of one of 709 disappeared human rights attorneys - - and she's under house arrest for attempting to march from Beijing to Tianjin to draw attention to her missing husband, thanks to the nefarious government of China and Emperor Xi Jinping.
https://www.scmp.com/video/chi...
Black Mirror TV show, this time.
Realistically, I don't see how it could ever be another way? If you committed crimes society deems serious enough that you needed to be locked away for years, separated from the masses? You can't *really* just expect to come back after that and have everyone pretend it never happened.
It's one thing for government to officially declare "time served" as the end of your punishment. But it's another to expect the public not to judge you for your past transgressions.
Especially when it comes to applying for credit, you're talking about a process shrouded in layers of secrecy as to exactly what earns you the credit score you're given, and exactly what a given score will or won't let you do. Regardless of any prison time, the REST of us aren't always too sure what's going on with the credit thing either. You've got 3 big credit reporting agencies out there who all keep their own records about you and all seem to come up with different scores. Some places try to average 2 or 3 of those together while others just go with a favorite agency's score as the one they use. When trying to get a home loan, they don't even use ANY of those scores, but instead, use one that you're never able to see yourself at all.
Or we could deduct points for stupidity and ignorance.
Politics and being head of a large organization is always a bit dicey. It's often better to keep one's politics private. Eich would have been seriously hampered as Mozilla's CEO because of his action.
You can get thrown out of a bar for not wearing a MAGA hat, as wearing hats is not a protected class anywhere I know. Go find another bar.
Fortunately, "public enemy #1" doesn't actually come with any penalties, other than having ticked off some people.
You're not a hateful bigot for thinking marriage should be between a man and a woman. You can become a hateful bigot based on pretty much any belief. There's a strong tendency on the political extremes to be assholes to people with other views, and to confuse holding views with being vicious and positively hateful. For example, there's a tendency currently on the right wing to behave obnoxiously and claim they're being punished for their views. See James Damore as an example (and read the findings of the labor relations board).
Nobody's going to call you a denier for not believing in climate change. You become a denier when you absolutely believe in no climate change and get sufficiently vocal and insistent on it.
Nobody gets a six-figure fine for not baking a cake. The bakery you're thinking of got it mostly for the internet harassment campaign they started. Read the legal finding of facts, which is the best source for finding why there was that six-figure award.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Soon after sincere Christians are removed from the equation, you'll get to see how it works out. "Devil's advocate" is SO appropriate....
When the king heard the words of the Book of the Law he tore his robes.2Kings22:11
Tyranny?
Pfft.
No, Trump haters are pretty much everybody apart from a small group of deluded Americans. Since the group is "pretty much everybody", it also includes a few people who think Trump is more important than he really is. Trump's tariff threats destabilise world trade somewhat, but they are only minor chaos in the end. Not yuuuuuge at all.
Most of us just ignore him as best we can. He's taking America down but the rest of the world is doing nicely. Enjoy your insane orange man.
He isn't wrong, Cayenne. You bitch and moan and cry all the time while screaming we're the snowflakes with butt hurt feelings. You project. A lot.
Just wait till general AI is available, or something sufficiently similar to it.
Then every minute of every day will be tracked and cataloged. You won't be able to step out onto the street without it being registered. It'll be like a political officer assigned to every person, watching, carefully scrutinizing for any sign of thoughtcrime.
And then, only those who have a sufficient social score will be allowed to have children.
Imagine, if nice people were actually rewarded! I suspect China will not be the ones to crack this particular puzzle, and more likely will have horrific consequences for enemies of the state though... Just think, one day, forum upvotes could actually be worth something :)
Psychopass - IRL edition
make it zero. bar them from everything, forever. they are now officially, if not before today, complete and utter scum. fuck china
I agree, when has "abstinence only" sex ed ever worked?
If you think the specific content is the point, you missed the point.
Not for you. For *him*.
Or do you think he would do it because he was "just" born evil? Magic hell demon dust maybe?
Everyone doing harm does so either by mere accident or because he was harmed. (Incuding manipulation that changed hos views.) Period.
Prevent the cascade of harm early, and it will not burst out in a shooting later.
But do those govs explicitly write down and go out of their way to Exclude/Limit the power of the central Gov ? I think not.
Well, then what is the point?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
You just defined a SJW!
Petty tyranny.
Russia isn't fascist, Billy.
Because commenting on the issue on domestic sites will lower your score, fucky.
Someone in the Chinese government is a fan of Black Mirror.
Nosedive (2016):
People rate their online and in-person interactions on a five-star scale. This system cultivates insincere relationships, as a person's rating significantly affects their socioeconomic status. Lacie is a young woman currently rated at 4.2 and keen to achieve self-improvement, hoping to reach a 4.5 rating to qualify for a discount to a luxury apartment. Lacie tries to gain favour from highly-rated people, as they have larger impacts on scores, and sees a great chance to achieve her goal, when school friend Naomi asks her to be maid-of-honour at her upcoming wedding, with many highly-rated guests. After a series of mishaps on her way to the wedding that send her ratings plummeting, Naomi calls Lacie and tells her not to come. Enraged, Lacie manages to get to the celebratory dinner; she grabs the microphone and starts giving the speech she had written. The guests rate her negatively, causing her rating to drop to zero. She becomes dangerously upset and security removes her from the area. She is placed in a cell and has the technology supporting the rating system removed from her eyes. Feeling liberated, she gets into an argument with a man, without worrying about being rated.
Organization? You must be joking..
I tell ya Cory Doctrow needs to be given low bows and prognosticator status.
LOL, from the mouths of babes, right? Oppressing the most well-armed and people would seem a non-starter. You're right - they're infantile if they think this will result in some wonderful utopia. The worst part is none of them are old enough to remember the results when someone tried this "great idea" over a century ago.
Could this possibly be just a manifestation of the already prevalent concept in many Asian societies of societal reputation/honor? One's honor/reputation already makes quite an impact there, and transgressing social norms often means ostracism and the necessitation of doing things to redeem oneself. I guess I'm sort of rambling here, but this system kind of just seems like a physical manifestation of what was already an uncodified but present aspect of Chinese society and culture. Then again, no-fly lists and the presence of records on minor crimes and financial history, that follow a person around and affect his/her treatment in society, is not really something unique to China.
This plus shutting Neihan Duanzi down and other seemingly small losses of personal freedom might just stir up enough emotion to finally rid China of its oppressive leadership. I've always admired the way many Chinese get around censorship but I can't see how they will beat this personal score tracking system. Not mentioned here is the rating based on what you buy and where you buy it. Buying products made in China is a plus but what if that product is 'immoral' lingerie from Taobao? Or maybe a sex toy? China in revolt would be catastrophic but unless Xi and his cronies loosen things up a bit, that's what looms in the near future.
Always the excuse used by the assholes who want to treat people like shit... BUT MUH OPRESSHUN!