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Trump Cancels Singapore Summit With North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un (cnbc.com)
President Donald Trump has cancelled his much anticipated meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un that was scheduled to take place in Singapore on June 12, he announced moments ago. In a letter to Kim, the president said; "I was very much looking forward to being there with you. Sadly, based on the tremendous anger an open hostility displayed in your most recent statement, I feel it is inappropriate, at this time to have this long-planned meeting. Therefore, please let this letter to serve to represent that the Singapore summit, for the good of both parties, but to the detriment of the world, will not take place." He added, "You talk about your nuclear capabilities, but ours are so massive and powerful that I pray to God they will never have to be used."
Production is going to be through the roof!
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He really gon dun goofed now.
This sure is the beginning of the end.
It's in trumps style of negotiation. He's always going to go for the BEST deal that he can get, and this is not at all out of the ordinary for Trump.
Back when it was first announced, Scott adams almost immediately said "expect one of them, probably trump, to walk away at least once before any actual negotiations take place".
Fun to see these types of negotiating dynamics playing out on the world stage.
All he had to do is keep his mouth shut and let South Korea do the heavy lifting... But noooooo....
is this part of it?
and then there is Kim Jong Un to worry about . . .
Sdelat' Ameriku velikoy Snova!
"...and stuff that matters"
When it is important as calling out a Russian Plant, we are going to report on it.
Have a nice day, son.
nerds care when a madman has an icbm in range of their house
the korean is also kind of screwy
I'm tired of all this winning.
Imagine what this is going to do to CPU performance.... wait.
After Trump backed out of the Iran deal, there really was no incentive for DPRK to give any real concessions. Trump showed that the US cannot be relied upon to stick to its agreements. And after what happened with Qaddafi the US showed that giving up WMD could be a fatal miscalculation. I'm not sure what our master plan with this stuff is, but we've pretty much put ourselves into a position where nobody will ever strike a deal with us ever again.
Played like a cheap violin.
The comments were pretty harsh. That sort of behavior isn't tolerated, and they are letting them know that.
All he had to do is keep his mouth shut and let South Korea do the heavy lifting... But noooooo....
Right because if there is one thing Trump is good at it's keeping his mouth shut.
It wasn't Trump, it was Pence and Pompeo who threatened North Korea with a Libyan outcome.
A distinction without a difference. Trump wants to play emperor then he gets to take responsibility for what happens on his watch too. Not just the bits he likes.
in much the same I cancel dates with hot girls I met on the street.
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Pulls out of Paris. Messes up with Iran. Get's his ass handed to him by Russians in Syria. NK summit fails... that completes my line across the middle.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
If the threat of imminent death due to nuclear war doesn't trigger your "things I care about" alarm, then you are a special kind of nerd. Maybe rephrasing of the headline would help:
"Trump Cancels Singapore Summit With North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un. Major ISPs In The USA At Risk Due To Nuclear Bombardment."
Does that help?
This must be part of Trumps 4D chess move to win a Nobel Peace prize.
Pence's comments were pretty dumb also, don't you think?
"News for nerds" is the only "stuff that matters."
"I was very much looking forward to being there with you. Sadly, based on the tremendous anger an open hostility displayed in your most recent statement, I feel it is inappropriate, at this time to have this long-planned meeting. Therefore, please let this letter to serve to represent that the Singapore summit, for the good of both parties, but to the detriment of the world, will not take place."
This part was written in a calm but stern manner.
What we get then is
"You talk about your nuclear capabilities, but ours are so massive and powerful that I pray to God they will never have to be used."
This is written with how we know he writes. So I think that he indeed added this as he did not understand that the first part already said the same thing, but in a much more diplomatic wording.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
I mean, like a real smart person. Smart enough to know that in a meeting with a prepared and strategic Kim, he would be so outclassed that he’d end up crying like the pussy with tiny hands and limp penis that he is... and finally everyone would see it live on TeeVee.
Ummm... Kim Jong-Un is "kind of screwy"?
The bias here is incredible. Trump is crazy, no doubt, but Kim and his two predecessors have truly awful records with human rights. Kim literally had his uncle and others fed to the dogs. And he's just "kind of screwy"?
It's incredible just how biased people here are that they will overlook incredible human rights abuses in North Korea.
The craziest thing Trump did was offer to guarantee the safety of a brutal dictator like Kim Jong-Un. Trump, for all of his ridiculous behavior, has NEVER come anywhere close to the atrocities committed by the Kim regime. Yet you strongly imply that Trump is worse.
What? The? Fuck?
Like anyone believed the DPRK was sincere in their desire for a summit. If you're shocked by this you're naive. If you're touting this as a failure of President Trump's you're a political shill and haven't been paying attention of the last 20 years. Both Republicans and Democrats having been punting this football so it's outside of their court hoping the next administration will have to deal with the problem that is the DPRK.
Personally I think it's about time someone gave the DRPK the middle finger and cut them off before they inevitably cancel anyway.
Shakespeare said, "All the world's a stage!". And no regime knows better on how to manipulate that stage than the DPRK. Personally, I think President Trump is the perfect candidate for playing these kinds of games with NK. He's cutting them off before they started. Now, of course, NK already has a contingency plan in place,I'm sure, and they'll come swinging (with words).
Well, I'm going to grab my popcorn and wait for their response.
Noo, there go the Nobels! No Nobels for anybody! Nucular penis comparisons always trump Nobels.
It's typical Trump to make this announcement now.
Presently there is a whole slew of foreigners in North Korea to witness the demolition of the old and useless nuclear test site.
Trump should have waited till most of them were in safety, Kim is crazy enough to keep (some of) them hostage.
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
The comments were pretty harsh.
Compared to the US saying that we were going to use "the Libya model"?
He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
This is yet another negotiation tactic, because NK was starting to believe they could get a lot of concessions form the U.S.- Trump here is just letting NK in no way will they be able to keep nuclear weapons.
NK will fold soon ad the talks will be back on.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Well, it does ultimately come down to high energy particle physics. Which is nerdy.
DACA recipients and victims of torture from Gina Haspel beg to differ.
Not saying that Kim is not nuts, but Trump isn't as far away from his level of crazy as you may think. Just give him time to continue to exert himself.
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Neville Chamberlain couldn't have put it better.
Chamberlain would have gone ahead with the talks and given NK all of the concessions it was seeking...
In regards to canceling the meeting, Trump is much more like a Churchill, or Regan in 1986 Iceland. Trump was sensing NK was probing for weakness and Trump will have none of it, he is (rightfully) not willing to compromise and allow NK to keep nuclear weapons. Would you prefer NK is allowed to maintain a nuclear weapon stockpile? I assure you South Korea is not on board with your Nuclear Pain Train.
I guess that's why Trump is president and you can't even figure out the Slashdot login process.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
You're incredibly dense. It was a "switcheroo" where the first statement implies he's talking about Kim, and then the second changes that expectation for comedic effect. I'm pretty sure you know that, though, and you just want to feel outraged.
DACA recipients are not ISIS.
Gina was torturing under Obama.
Your life is invalid.
Which one?
there are multiple things which are referred to as "the Libya model".
You do realize that NK fucked their nuclear program a couple years ago, and don't have the money to rebuild it, right?
The "Libya Model" you're not understanding is what that Libya gave up their nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons programs - shipped the materials outside of the country or destroyed under observation within - and the US lifted sanctions after.
The uprising was not a result of that, which is what people are confusing.
Say what you will about Trump. He laundered money for the Russian mob. He pays for sex with adult film stars. He pays for abortions. He's not really a billionaire. He's racist. He likes his steak well done with ketchup. He only eats fast food because otherwise he'd never have a meal that hadn't been spit in.
But he's never kidnapped a director to from a foreign country to force them to make a monster movie.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Not sure why we're even bringing a topic like that here. That's the stuff you can read on any news site. I'm fairly sure we come here for the stuff we can't find everywhere else. Just saying.
You realize that statement is speculative, right? Cite your conclusive sources.
If your criteria for "technology news" is it possibly impacts someone that uses technology, then every store on every page of the local newspaper is a candidate for Slashdot... For instance, the 30 year-old "man-child" that refuses to move out of his parent's house while he fights to regain custody of HIS son.
Ken
Could you link me to DACA recipients being tortured to death, or having multiple generations of their families worked to death in labor camps?
could you link me to DACA recipients being used by trump as sex slaves, or being outright murdered for not mumbling the exact correct platitude?
maybe just a link to DACA recipients being starved to death in prison camps?
the 'enhanced interrogation' techniques might start wandering in Kim's direction, but stop miles and miles short of the gate. there's a Massive difference in torturing someone for information that could be used to save lives, and torturing someone for fun or because they 'insulted' you by not saluting high enough. or smiling at the right time. or laughing hard enough at your bad jokes.
That you'd even compare them horrifies me.
Was the KJU summit going to strip the US of it's ability to strike domestic targets?
As a reminder, it was the previous administration, who got his Nobel Peace Prize in advance of doing anything of any substance, because the members of the committee "just knew he'd do good things once in office, so why wait?", that used drone strikes to target and kill American citizens without benefit of trial.
Ken
So what about all those challenge coins he had printed up for the meeting? Taxpayers want to know!
Pence was guilty of "saber rattling", the North Korean was guilty of "being insulting" - apples and oranges.
Ken
IIRC North Korea does have a lot of rare earth element deposits inside it's territory that could be used in consumer electronics. But as long as there is no peace and sanctions remain in place those deposits will never be tapped.
And let's not forget the potential damage to major consumer electronics manufacturers and software/video game industries if war breaks out in the region and damages facilities in South Korea or Japan (even if neither were attacked directly nuclear fallout could be a huge disaster if president pinhead punches his big red button).
Yes, including one where Gadaffi was overthrown and eventually murdered. Making threats (or just using such ridiculously clumsy language during such a critical phase of diplomacy) is pathetic. It's amateur hour in the White House apparently.
He's talking about the seismic activity at their nuclear test site suggestive of a collapse of the site. But there's a massive difference between that and "f'ed their nuclear program". Losing a test site is not the same thing as losing your nuclear programme.
Give a boy a gun and you arm him for a day. Teach him how to make a gun, and the whole metaphor breaks down.
Which one?
there are multiple things which are referred to as "the Libya model".
The model where a regime voluntarily surrenders it's nuclear weapons program and other WMDs and 5 years later we sponsor a coup where its leader winds up dead. Un is a ruthless dictator, but he is not "crazy". He's a rational actor. All he has to do is look at Libya and Iraq to conclude he'd have to be suicidal to trust the US.
Yup exactly. There is absolutely no relation to dictatorial regime giving up their harshest weapons and a following overthrow and torture of the dictator. Just ask Gaddafi's asshole.
Kim Jong-un has every reason to immediately appease those appalled by his human rights atrocities. #Winning
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"Pride" is the worst of the seven deadly sins. And based on the inappropriate responses both by this administration, and that of N.Korea, is exemplary as to why.
Life is not for the lazy.
DACA recipients? You mean illegal aliens who were shielded by executive action of the prior administration, with no legal basis for remaining in the US? I wonder what most countries do with people who are present illegally...
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Its like a trailer park community of leftie Tom, Bert, and Williams smashing things at slashdot, all with Trump Derangement Syndrome.
All he has to do is look at Libya and Iraq to conclude he'd have to be suicidal to trust the US.
We've already demonstrated that our country won't honor our President's promises longer than his term. With DJT, promises don't seem to last that long. I hear we'll see his taxes if he gets the nomination.
He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
your most recent statement
I read the article in the link and hadn't found mention of what statement the President is referring to. Was this in another news article, and could someone please post a link?
I just hope that guy who claims to be from the future is just a hoax.
Because he says 2019 there will be two nuclear strikes, NC will hit Hawaii and US will hit back.
Then in 2020 there would be WWIII which will last for 3 years.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Had the meeting gone as scheduled, he would have said it was brilliant and just as Trump had planned. Adams worships the ground that Trump walks upon and has convinced himself that all democrats are demon scum. Trump is incapable of doing any wrong in Adams' eyes.
Coincidentally, remember when Dilbert was last funny? It was a fair bit before the 2016 elections. Now it's just Mallard Fillmore in an office; often forgetting the punch lines as well.
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I don't think it's amateur hour, I think the men inside the White House want a war with North Korea. And they're doing everything in their power to get one and fuck everyone else. So how's that hope and change comin' again ?
No the left aspires to be North Korea. Totalitarian communist dictatorships.
Gina was torturing under Obama.
Your life is invalid.
And she got rewarded handsomely under Trump.
Or do you think being at the head of the CIA is some kind of punishment ?
Like the headline says.
It's not a headline. Try one of these words:
tag line,
a catchphrase or slogan, especially as used in advertising, or the punchline of a joke.
motto,
a short sentence or phrase chosen as encapsulating the beliefs or ideals guiding an individual, family, or institution.
slogan,
a short and striking or memorable phrase used in advertising.
subtitle,
a subordinate title of a published work or article giving additional information about its content.
The US likely cannot get everything it wants. That's not how negotiations usually work. There will have to be compromise. Same with the Iran deal. Compromise is usually better than nothing. T seems to be of the mindset: "give me ALL or I'll throw a tantrum and insult you endlessly on Twitter."
Table-ized A.I.
Why would North Carolina nuke Hawaii?
Invent an enemy. Distract from improprieties at home. Win the people.
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Clown!
I think I've finally figured out why we're getting more and more stories like this on Slashdot. Politicizing the site is a sure way to generate more and more traffic as even long-time members get sucked into pointless, lengthy political debates. The process has been aided and abetted by commenters who seem to have come out of nowhere with multiple accounts and a willingness to abuse the "Anonymous Coward" feature.
This kind of story is money in the bank, because it is certain to foster pointless debate over a purely political issue. One side can claim Trump is standing up to Kim. The other will say Kim has trolled Trump beautifully and left him looking like the poor sucker who shows up at somebody's house for a party held the previous week.
In either case, those of us who valued Slashdot for its coverage of mostly tech-related stuff are increasingly being alienated.
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If only Obama and Clinton has stuck with the Lybia plan, as created under Bush.
Granted that was the same administration which ignored breached to guarantee the integrity of the borders of Ukraine going back to 94 when they gave up their nukes.
And a Trump-lover.
For all the hot air I see about TDS, I'm pretty sure ODS is the real problem.
Because Hawaii allows unisex bathrooms?
The President is not a King and has no business making promises that have no force of law behind them. Anyone negotiating with a President knows full well that a unilateral decision made by one can just as easily be unmade by the next.
DACA recipients? You mean illegal aliens who were shielded by executive action of the prior administration, with no legal basis for remaining in the US?
Yes, exactly those people. The people who were brought involuntarily into the country as children who were shielded from inhumane deportation to a country they never knew by the prior administration.
I wonder what most countries do with people who are present illegally...
Most countries do not deport people who have been in the country since childhood to countries they've never known.
Trump was trolling him all along. Knew it would never happen...
When we start looking at people like Bolton, I think this is pretty much the case. He is no amature, but while his objectives do not align all that well with most of the other staff, his imagry does. Much of the whitehouse and its backers believe that one can win conflicts with 'inferior' people simply by giving them a bloody nose and they will submit, so they believe just a little violence or threats will get them the accolades they want. Bolton and his camp, I doubt they actually believe the bloody nose thing, they instead believe in large military actions that wipe out regimes.
Maybe you should check. You might be surprised...
The President is not a King
Tell that to Trump and his supporters.
No need, people voted for Trump after the 8 years of Executive overreach that was the Obama administration and the guarantee of much worse under a Clinton administration.
In other words, THAT'S how you got Trump.
The comments were pretty harsh. That sort of behavior isn't tolerated, and they are letting them know that.
You need to be far more specific considering the harsh rhetoric coming from both sides. I assume you mean the US comments were harsh, since they essentially insinuated they want Kim Jong Un deposed and killed in the streets. North Korea's responses were quite tame by comparison.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
His family name is Kim. Not that that matters much. Otherwise, I agree.
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The "Libya Model" you're not understanding is what that Libya gave up their nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons programs - shipped the materials outside of the country or destroyed under observation within - and the US lifted sanctions after.
The uprising was not a result of that, which is what people are confusing.
I wonder if having nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons could have helped Gaddafi stay in power. They seem to have at least assisted al-Assad.
And what I believe you are not understanding is that it doesn't matter if the uprising was related to Gaddafi giving up his weapons. It only matters if Kim Jong Un believes it did. Bringing up the Libya model in a diplomatic context is the exact same thing as bringing up Gaddafi being sodomized by a bayonet. He might as well have linked to a video of it on Twitter.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
on first name terms with Ms. Haspel, eh? Is she your dominatrix AC?
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I just hope that guy who claims to be from the future is just a hoax.
Because he says 2019 there will be two nuclear strikes, NC will hit Hawaii and US will hit back.
Then in 2020 there would be WWIII which will last for 3 years.
Short background on Korea vs Corea (aka Chosun empire).
John Ross, was a Scottish Protestant missionary to Northeast China who established Dongguan Church in Shenyang. He is also known for translating the first Korean Bible and wrote the famous first book on the History of Corea (where he westernized the Hangul spelling as "COREA")... Nobody knows when the common westernized spelling actually changed to Korea, but some suspect that the Japanese had some influence on that during the Treaty of Shimonoseki on the spelling (because K is after J)...
Not surprising news either.
This belongs on generalnewsdot or politicsdot not slashdot.
Anyone who has read "How to Win Friends and Influence People" will realize T does the exact opposite in negotiations. Either that book is obsolete, or we will lose bigly.
This would be an interesting experiment in diplomacy if it were happening in a lab or on somebody else's planet. Unfortunately, we are the guinea pigs here.
Table-ized A.I.
winning
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"As I said all along, the Highest, Most Exalted, Supreme Leader of North Korea, is a failure. I continue to amaze myself with my Winning!
The North Koreans will look upon my giant nuclear button and they will give up their weapons in a heartbeat. You heard me say that and anyone who says otherwise is Fake News!
We are getting things done every day that Obama never could. People tell me that all the time. It's true because I am the greatest, everyone knows that.
Soon Iran will cave beneath the weight of my magnificent hairdo and stentorian voice. The Mullahs can't put up with that, Believe me!
Make America Stupid Again!"
I feel like I'm missing context here... and all I can find out about it with a google search is news, news, and more news on this statement by Trump... but absolutely nothing on what led up to it.
I might be inclined to take the lack of information about what led to this as an indication that Trump is overreacting, but I would prefer to reserve judgement until I actually know what the heck is really going on. Last I heard, NK was claiming to get ready to dismantle its nuclear program and begin talks of reunification with SK.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
From what I've been reading, Trump is more interested in the labia plan.
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Likely the one of reintroducing Libya to the international community for giving up weapons ambitions. We gave aid, had an embassy, and started some trade again. Arab spring from Egypt blew that apart. Pence's comments were not bad
there it goes :-/ soooo sad ;-) I hope the Koreas make peace anyway!
Here we go again with the penis wars.
It depresses me to no end that the leaders of nations act so much like petty school children.
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
If I could edit that last one, it would say "... Trump is more interested in labia models."
I do not have a signature
The people who were brought involuntarily into the country as children who were shielded from inhumane deportation to a country they never knew by the prior administration.
I keep hearing from democrats about how the US is an oppressive shithole run by a madman. Yet in the same breath they'll complain that deporting illegal immigrants is somehow "inhumane". Seems to me like you're doing them a favour, no? Free airfare out of an oppressive shithole seems pretty humane to me.
Can you guys at least try to be consistent?
What was your stance when Hillary said "We came, we saw, he died! Cackle, cackle." Or, judging by the depth of your political analysis, maybe you were not born yet.
This entire topic is the very definition of flamebait, especially on this site.
Also, not news for nerds.
No need. It would have been just as unfunny.
Whataboutism is strong in this one.
So because of the last 8 years according to YOU, trump gets a pass?
That's what it sounds like you are saying.
Tell that to the participants in a Pride March.
And September of 2017 isn't "a couple years ago" either, so it reeks of bad info.
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Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Nerds have never solely been interested in technology. Further, nerds actively dislike IT types. We want you drones off changing the toner in a printer somewhere and outta the way.
People like you don't deserve to live.
I'm sorry i shouldn't have said that.
While the right aspires to be nazi Germany.
Luckily, the rest of us just point and laugh at the two.
It's because he was a black Democrat who didn't care about the white man as much as a white Republican does. And how can you blame him.
They've played by our rules for a long time, it was time we played by their rules for a little bit. Now it's back to the white grandmasters in power.
Sick and tired of it all. Fuck the D the R and the I, they all can choke on a fat dick.
This fake country may have a short history, but it's a history full of making promises it has no intention of keeping. Un agreed to the idea of a summit in the first place only because his entire nuclear test mountain collapsed on top of his bomb research team.
The only peaceful way to fix this is to blockade North Korea until mass starvation causes it to collapse. Then like East Germany before it, it can quietly accept reunification.
Trump didnt cancel shit.
The NK's cancelled the meeting and Trump is going to say it was him who cancelled to save face.
Let's be honest here, the NKs were never going to stop producing nukes. This is all political posturing anyway.
I was thinking Trump was like a blind squirrel, and that this time he found an acorn. Maybe North and South Korea don't need Cadet Bone Spurs to help each other out. And with a direct route to Peking from Soul through Pyongyang, elementary economics could easily be applied here.
Call it what you want but it seems to work. Koreans destroying testing facilities, cancelling missile launches, RELEASING NUMEROUS PRISONERS. It's already infinitely more success than any previous president so I'm nothing but impressed so far.
I believe the Big Stick policy was deemed obsolete several decades ago. It's amazing to people in charge are basically not accomplishing their duties because they ignored middle school history class.
I agree. Trump isn't perfect but he was inevitable after Obama.
Hour?
You mean despite how terrible you allege Clinton and Obama to have been, Trump still could not manage a popular vote victory and his tepid electoral college victory was by the slimmest of margins?
You really think that Trump, who barely outperformed GWB in 2004, is really all that popular?
Someone explained to him he wouldn't be the center of attention.
Your sig here!
Or, get this, we got Trump because the Democrats were so busy with infighting that left the left divided and unable to recover any semblance of unity after the Primaries. Maybe someday they will stop pushing Clinton and we'll have a shot at the presidency again.
Disregard that, i suck cocks.
What infighting? There was a 3 million popular vote lead for Clinton. Only the slimmest margins in a few states gave Trump an electoral college victory.
Hillary was just too white to get all of the minority support, and she picked the wrong VP.
This. Another mistake that helped prevent Trump from collecting his free nobel prize was "altering the deal" with Iran. I called it all the day before yesterday:
https://slashdot.org/comments....
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
""You talk about your nuclear capabilities, but ours are so massive and powerful that I pray to God they will never have to be used.""
Yes, they will be used. A fitting end to humanity. Good riddance.
Still blaming Obama for everything?
Trump is the GOP's fault. They own him.
Take Responsibility. Stop expecting to accuse Democrats of making you do everything so you can avoid accepting the price of your own decisions.
I believe one problem with this is that South Korea is somewhat dependent on the US, and if SK sidesteps US sanctions against NK it would adversely affect them much more than any gains from working with NK... economically, at least.
Coincidentally, remember when Dilbert was last funny? It was a fair bit before the 2016 elections.
I pegged Adams as a total phony back in the 90s when I saw a dilbert-branded HR training kit in use at my megacorp employer of the time. It was kind of like he was an arms dealer selling to both sides of a conflict - completely unprincipled pursuit of money.
Not liking something that is happening in your own country does not mean you think other countries would automatically be better.
Oh wow. You think they destroyed their test facility because of Trump.
Waiter! I'll have 2 of whatever he's having! What do you mean it's not safe to consume that much?
Sorry, Iâ(TM)ve got to call shenanigans. The GOP did everything legal to derail their terrible candidate. The Democrats broke their own rules to anoint their awful candidate. We have Trump because of the Dems, and I say this speaking as someone who votes Democrat far more often than Republican.
Yeah, you keep telling yourself that Big Giant Orange Head meant for all this to happen. He knew it was going to happen, all along really!
That's why BGOH:
- praised up Kim Jong Un;
- said he (BGOH) was going to "fix" the North Korean stalemate, and denigrated all prior Presidents for not doing so;
- threatened N.K. with the "biggest nuclear button";
- started making plans for a summit;
- put a lot of Presidential credibility and political capital at stake here, when there was zero chance (within statistical probability) of the U.S. getting what it wants.
Yes, BGOH is quite the negotiator. He cancels deals that work and brings checkers to a chess board, in foreign affairs.
So much Winning!
Well at least you qualified it with "*he* can get".
pulling out of a deal right when you're making a new one is not a good way to negotiate. Doesn't help that Kim got what he wanted, e.g. we've acknowledged him as the legitimate ruler of North Korea.
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Homosexuality is already a sin; sodomy, as in Sodom and Gomorrah. So yeah, might as well pile the sin on further eh?
There was once a time where America pulling out of a deal, trade talk, summit, etc was a deathspell. The world looked to America for everything. A very very interesting change has happened in the past 2 years.
America pulls out of the Paris Agreement. Rather than killing it off, it spurred the last 2 remaining countries to join. ... Except all the parties just copied and pasted all the bits not requiring the USA and the newly named CPTPP lives on.
America pulls out of the TPP, and agreement it lead and created. This killed the agreement. It can't be rattified without the USA.
America pulls out of its agreement with Iran, an agreement it was instrumental in creating. The world collectively shrugged with all parties continuing to abide by the agreement.
A lot of people are talking about how America is being laughed at, whereas the reality appears far worse than that.
President Trump, the first POTUS to get personally played by NK. History matters. Stay in school kids!
POTUS badly mishandled DPRK policy. USA weaker as result. 3 changes made summit possible:
1) President Moon elected President ROK, reaching out to DPRK;
2) KJU consolidated political and military power;
3) Max pressure by UN/Trump
Handed a chance to put US-DPRK relations on a better trajectory -- headed in direction of peace and denuclearization -- Trump misinterpreted how we got here. He attributed DPRK willingness to talk to his Max Pressure campaign alone -- ignoring the two more important factors.
Not understanding WHY diplomacy was an option, no surprise Trump badly mishandled opportunity he was gifted. He continued to threaten the DPRK -- Libya Model references -- even during immediate run-up to the summit.
Bolton knew (even if Trump did not) what that meant.
When DPRK (predictably) objected to the Libya threats by Bolton and then by @VP , the reaction was actually quite muted -- handed down by two foreign ministry officials Kim Kye Gwan and Choe Son Hui. They basically said, "don't bully us into talks." This was a mild response.
But Trump is incredibly thin-skinned, and as we witnessed at the Olympics, @VP Pence is even more diplomatically handicapped, incapable even of showing normal courtesy to our South Korean allies, much less to the leader of DPRK.
Had Trump and his team understood DPRK, they would have cleverly maneuvered the North into talks, making Pyongyang believe that the denuclearization talks were THEIR idea. Instead, Trump insisted (again predictably) on hogging all the "credit" for something not yet accomplished.
Mike Mansfield got the Civil Rights Act passed by putting his ego aside (as he always did) and focusing on the prize for the NATION. Trump is incapable of putting national interest above Trump's interest. In this .... he bears remarkable resemblance to Kim Jong Un.
Where does this leave us? Trump's early morning letter is a classic example of his incompetence - barely coherent, full of internal contradictions, at once conciliatory and deeply provocative, threatening, in essence, a nuke strike on DPRK. The letter should NEVER have been sent.
It should have been dictated by Trump in his early morning rage and then put in a drawer by Kelly until our intemperate, mercurial, unhinged President calmed down. Instead, the White House sent the letter -- a letter that raises as many questions as it answers.
Where does that leave us? DPRK has no doubt by now sized up our President, and found him to be a completely unreliable negotiating partner (e.g. Iran withdrawal, TPP withdrawal, Paris Accord withdrawal, threats one day, concessions the next). They will not easily re-engage.
Why will DPRK stand aloof? They have already pocketed a significant gift - by having Trump praise KJU as an honorable man and by having Pompeo meet twice with the leader of DPRK. (btw, watching Pompeo read the letter was painful...such bad English).
Moreover, DPRK has secured its flanks -- improved relations with China and ROK, leaving USA isolated in its attempt to assemble "maximum pressure" on DPRK going forward. DPRK makes USA appear to be the party walking away from diplomacy. A huge diplomatic defeat for USA.
The entire fiasco leaves USA marginalized -- demonstrably incompetent in handling the fundamentals of diplomacy. No message discipline. No roadmap. A State Department team marginalized, their expertise squandered. A petulant White House appears thin-skinned and petty.
At this point, best course of action for USA would be to go quiet on this issue for several months, and hope that they can re-boot the diplomatic overture. But since when has Trump shown an ability to keep quiet about anything? He will likely sulk, and play the blame game.
A comment on Trump's letter: Read it. Then read it out loud. Does it not sound like a prom date refusal letter, sent by the jilted party to his date? It is immature. Childish. Vaguely pathetic. Solipsistic.
I am in Seoul this week, meeting with our all
That's normal. Ask Poland what happened to the missile defense programs we promised them and started under Bush. (I'll give you the answer: Obama canceled the project to be nice to the Russians.)
Don't trust the president if what he says isn't passed into law or treaty by congress.
Trump supporters yesterday: Trump’s amazing! No other president could have pulled off a summit with Kim Jong Un.
Trump supporters today: Trump’s amazing! No other president could have cancelled a summit with Kim Jong Un
The people who were brought involuntarily into the country as children who were shielded from inhumane deportation to a country they never knew by the prior administration.
It doesn't stop here. This is just the old "think of the children" tactic.
As soon as we agree to keep the kids but send the parents back, we hear about how we can't break up families.
It'd be a more honest discussion if the democrats where not so against the wall to at least keep out new illegals (or to at least slow down the migration.) Instead they want to do a bunch of half ass measures that the next president can easily undo. Sorry, but we aren't making the same mistake that Obama did.
Well she did also insult the lower class a couple of times. The power is in the plebs, she forgot that.
The Washington Post (a unified opponent of Trump) and South Korea were just calling for Trump to receive the Nobel Prize ... and you're calling it amateur hour?
Since these chicken hawks do nothing but get other people's children killed I made sure both of my boys renewed their passports shortly after Trump was elected. I'll not have them put in harm's way due to the foolish missteps and posturing of those in "leadership" positions.
LOL you just drank 2 gallons of cum.
Or was that a load of hooey to begin with?
Your El Stupido President will have his ass cut by the Chinese Army if he decides to invade North Korea. They did it before.
Russia will do some high tech back up of China. Think of GPS stopping to work GLOBALLY. Plus a nice meltdown of the core internet.
Both Russia and China won't tolerate a further decimation of their allies.
NK exists solely because the Chinese and Russians propped them up. In a deadly war with millions killed.
The latest and greatest of Russian technology and a million of Chinese soldiers enabled NK.
Kimmy will live of die at the hands of Beijing and Moscow. They do not want any change.
Trump is burning Karma on a worldwide basis, big time.
What does he want ? Emulate Hillary and attack more innocent nations, just as she and Bush did ?
If so, Trump will get the Hillary Treatment !
Ah, so it's one of those "my country is the worst country except for all the other countries!" kind of arguments.
In that case, I don't even know what to say about people who speak that way. Seems like they're just overly emotional drama queens.
Trump sent Pompeo with a Mafia-Style threat to Kim: "if you do not comply with our demands, things like Gadaffi happened will happen to you".
Then an important figure from Kim's circle called Pompeo what he is: an idiot. A mafia enforcer.
Trump, the idiot he is, took offense of calling out his mafia thug.
How would YOU react to an envoy threatening you with miserable death ? Actually Kim should have Pompeo shot on the spot. He is way too civilized to you American Mafia thugs.
I believe the Big Stick policy was deemed obsolete several decades ago. It's amazing to people in charge are basically not accomplishing their duties because they ignored middle school history class.
That must explain why negotiations of the last several decades that lacked the "big stick" failed to produce a North Korea without nuclear weapons.
Trump has gotten us closer to denuclearization than any other president. You can thank the big stick for that.
I don't know what liberal history books you've read, but peace through strength is what ended the cold war and it's the only possibility of denunclearizing North Korea peacefully. It's also what keeps banks from being robbed by anyone who needs a little extra cash, by the way. It's a universal and timeless strategy.
The comments were pretty harsh.
Compared to the US saying that we were going to use "the Libya model"?
The Libya model of denuclearization, which was successful. Not the Libya model of governing that ended in Gaddafi's death.
It's an important distinction that some are either too stupid or too dishonest to admit.
And it seems like just weeks ago there were blind idiots on here preaching how Trump had solved the NK problem here on slashdot.... while those of us who lived through the last time NK pulled this shit pointed out "don't believe it till it happens."
I would like to think that this will give those idiots a reason to reflect on their blind, stupid, down-on-their-knees, love for all things old grab-thee-by-the-pussy Trump does... but i doubt it will; stupid can't be cured that easily, and apparently stupid never learns from the past.
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No Nobel Prize for him I guess....
Hereâ(TM)s what we can do for them. March them down to the border, and one by one, shove an M80 up their ass, light the fuse, and then kick them straight back over the border. BOOM!!!
Obviously they were referring to the Libya Model T, their first domestically produced vehicle.
Oh poor A/C NK has played Cadet Bone Spurs, and now You; like a banjo.
Or, a few thousand were duped and we got Trump thanks to hostile foreign meddling. Equally plausible.
Those Barbaric Farmers would rather starve and hold back their own people by focusing on missiles and nukes. NK and Iran copied China tech, China copied Russia, Russia copied the USA. How dare these once subsistance farmers, now ungrateful barbaric technology thieves, try to leverage this stolen tech by pointing a gun at Uncle Sam, and threaten polluting the world. So shameful, where do they get their pride?
Yeah, it is mostly a joke in foreign policy circles. I depends so heavily on racism that only certain little clusters still believe it.
At this point North Korea should just nuke the US because they're never going to be allowed to exist no matter what deal they sign.
Pence is part of a plan to bring about a realistic negation.
Facts are.
US is big and NK is small, if they want to negotiate as equals forget it. They must know that we have the upper hand and if they are lucky we will let them live.
This is less of a negotiation than a capitulation, we need to treat them fair but harshly (as they deserve.)
The problem here is the same as it always was, NK is part of the China tool kit in dealing with the US.
Cancelling the talks is a good start, we need to think of dealing with NK as the same as dealing with Vader. He has turned himself over to the dark side and he is subject to the emperor (China) once you see that picture you can see how hard it is going to be to pin them down and keep them pinned down. This takes balls of steel and is a test which Obama did not even step up to face and we will see if Trump will pass it. Don't worry he will but it is far from over.
You can't handle the truth! - Because I don't post left all my comments get modded down, bye bye Karma.
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Yeah, so lame.
Anyone negotiating with a President knows full well that a unilateral decision made by one can just as easily be unmade by the next.
And that's why Trump should be president for life - just something to think about, folks.
!!! i dont even know what to say, that was fucking hilarious
The comments were pretty harsh.
Compared to the US saying that we were going to use "the Libya model"?
I kept hearing this but I'm not sure the people using really understood what this meant. The Libya model was one where the country's leader voluntarily dismantles his nuclear capability (which then resulted in his overthrow and death). To use 'the Libya model' as a threat makes no sense because you can't threaten someone to then do something voluntarily.
Just another day when Trump demonstrates how little he understands of the subject matter.
I don't think it's amateur hour, I think the men inside the White House want a war with North Korea. And they're doing everything in their power to get one and fuck everyone else. So how's that hope and change comin' again ?
Every military strategist on the planet knows that war can't be won. If Kim strikes first, he wipes Seoul off the map. If we strike first, Seoul will still be wiped off the map.
Kim holds has the upper hand and he and China (and most of us) know it. War is not an option unless murdering millions of people is acceptable purely to maintain your so-called tough man image.
and Maher is the very model of modern corporate Democrat. He's completely right wing on all economic issues and leans a little left on social issues. He is not in any sense of the words "left wing". He's another nasty outgrowth of the shift to the right started by Bill Clinton in the 90s.
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Trump was doing a victory lap like a kid at a junior high track meet. He had no intention of pulling out, he was having a grand old time. Kim pulled out hen he realized he could make Trump look silly by doing so. He denied Trump his Nobel Peace Prize. Also, Kim already got what he really wanted: America acknowledges him as the legitimate ruler of North Korea. As soon as we agreed to talks we did that. That's why nobody was dumb enough to agree to them... until Trump.
Even then we might have salvaged _something_ from this whole mess if Trump hadn't backed out of the Iran deal and started talking about the "Libya Model". We literally threatened to kill a guy we're trying to have peace talks with.
Scott Adam's off his rocker. I think he went nuts when he lost his voice for a few years. I can only imagine what not being able to talk for that long does to you. There is nothing intelligent going on here. Trying to read intelligence in this administration is like trying to see the feature in pig entrails. You might think you see something but you're just fooling yourself.
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You tell 'em, Boris!
Well Bob, you given me a lot of options and blaming the stupidity of the American public was very tempting but I'm gonna go with this one.
Haha - very funny, Ivan.
...that Trump isn't getting the Nobel Peace Prize? I mean, if Obama could get it while bombing the f&%k out of people with his expanded military drone program, why couldn't Trump still get it for his diplomatic efforts to promote harmony between normal people and white nationalists in Charlottesville?
When the "left" abandoned labor and decided instead to promote open bigotry, the left lost all the supporters it used to have. Good luck ever winning *anything* again!
Just tell us what the USA is best at. Restricted to good things only so you can't have "massacring foreigners".
If you're not willing to think of the children even when the subject is actually what to do about the children, there's really no hope for you. You're just not capable of thinking.
The thing that would make it a more honest conversation would be if you were honest, instead of just talking shit based on perceived political teams.
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I thought the interest to nerds was based on, "Trump cancels Singapore Summit and once again all your favorite k-pop idols are about to burn in a fiery inferno."
I'll be off watching AoA music videos at double speed so I can get more views in before it makes me cry. <3 <3 <3 Hyejeong! The world's greatest fashionista.
It is as if people can't comprehend that the "test site" is literally just a mine shaft into the side of a mountain, and there is nothing important kept there except for the part that blows up, which is there temporarily right before it blows up.
Or that they had backup tunnels a few hundred yards away. Or that they can just move half a mile down the ridgeline and dig another hole.
Maybe they just don't realize that a "nuclear program" is mostly a bunch of physicists and engineers doing technical work? Maybe they think you dig your way to a bomb? Or maybe you smash rocks together inside a tunnel for 7 years until they reach a state of metaphysical enrichment?
Cause this time he didn't just manage to sound like his usual Creutzfeldt-Jakob incoherent self.
He also managed to sound like a teen or a twelve-year-old tweeting "You don't break up with me! I'm breaking up with YOU!" at a porn star he's been having an imaginary Twitter romance with.
And at the same time, begging to be taken "back".
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But the most hilarious part is when the White House gift shop web site crashed under the weight of the global schadenfreude.
Thanks to millions of people going there to see the commemorative "challenge" coin being discounted after the cancellation of the summit.
There goes that Nobel peace prize all those Republican brown nosers tried to sign him up for, I guess.
That's IF they've managed to spell Norway correctly this time.
That W... very much like an M... all them straight lines...
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Don't forget that the Libya model sort of implied that you get killed once you STOP working on nukes.
This peace through strength after Iraq war was the biggest recruitment tool for terrorism as well. It may cause governments to collapse, but it won't rebuild those governments or cause the people there to give up peacefully.
'Let them live'
Go to hell. You are suggesting the US should murder an entire nation?
North Korea will never denuclearize now that it has nuclear weapons, which it has attained since Trump took office. The Kim regime is dedicated to its own survival. It knows denuclearization will result in the US attacking. Trump was never even remotely close to bringing a peace deal including denuclearization and only played into Kim's hands. Now Kim can tell his people the US doesnâ(TM)t want peace and Bolton doesnâ(TM)t want peace.
North Carolina is going to attack Hawaii?
This should be good.
So then in 3 years
It will take less than three months, you don't understand this at all do you?
And you knew you were wrong, you posted AC specifically so no-one could do what you claim you plan to do... come to think of it your plan was idiotic because you could never say it was you who made the claim. You obviously don't even believe it yourself.
Sad.
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* Kenneth Bae and Matthew Todd Miller: released from North Korea November 2014, under the Obama Administration
* Jeffrey Fowle: released from North Korea October 2014, under the Obama Administration
* Merrill Newman: released from North Korea December 2013, under the Obama Administration
* Eddie Yong Su Jun: : released from North Korea May 2011, under the Obama Administration
* Aijalon Gomes: released from North Korea August 2010, under the Obama Administration
* Laura Ling and Euna Lee: released from North Korea November 2009, under the Obama Administration
Trump's got some catching up to do.
rance and UK weren't in a position to fight a war against Germany in 1938
Another AC nugget of wisdom... ignoring Germany wasn't in a position to attack them either at that time. It would have been a waste of resources.
Meanwhile Chamberlain gave up all of Czechoslovakia, which has not fully recovered to this day (as I have seen in person). I guess it was a great strategy to fuck over an entire country? Why don't you try standing the the middle of Prague and say that out loud, I'm sure the police will eventually be able to recover some parts of you from the river.
Has they not given that country up, Germany would have had to fight for it, having no resources (military or natural) to attack Britain with - having ownership of Prague enabled Germany to stay in the war much longer because they simply had more fuel and raw materials on tap. It was a disaster from start to finish.
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Kim Jong Un can now tell his people Trump is praying to him.
Negative; gave up putting them in my mouth and just keep them in my bum.
We've already demonstrated that our country won't honor our President's promises longer than his term.
This is a saving grace for much of the international community. They are hoping that these few years blows over as quirk in the history of the world and things will go back to normal.
I dread to see what will happen if Trump wins a second term, then it stops being a quirk and starts becoming a mindset of the people of the USA.
Glad I'm not the only one.
I'm wheezing
Wow, it's rare to see such a solid grasp of political state craft on slashdot. My sentiments exactly!
i could have never seen ending this summit very well, it would have been a massive failure for Trump and to cancel it was the best possible option for him.
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
You mean the testing site they basically already destroyed in an accident? Given it's proximity to China there is a good chance the Chinese were wanting them to cap it to keep any potential radiation from getting out. It was a token gesture at best
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
There is nothing factual in your post. NK wasn't a nuclear power before. They became one and Trump just upped the fear all around the NK region. Japan, Hawaii, and SK were all getting ready with stupid "what if" scenarios that they all unofficially knew weren't necessary. Except to calm the people's fears because of all the shit storm tweets.
If we just actually ignored NK, this problem would have been resolved decades ago. Only Bush Jr did that. That should include not sending massive aid to their population. We were mostly fueling the regime. That also includes forgetting any idiot that went there and got kidnapped. NK wanted attention and we gave plenty of it. Nueclearization was just the latest attention grab. That is the problem! The country would have imploded long ago if we just ignored them. They never would have attacked anyone; all bark no bite.
As for the Cold War, USSR didn't just lose, they got dissolved! If the US "lost", the equivalent would be the states spitting up into a few countries and no more USofA. The cause of the USSR's basically total annilation (a country/empire disappeared) was Economics! The USSR's system couldn't keep up with the West's decentralized, more open trade based economy. Their economy could not keep fueling their expenditures without making life worse for the citizens. And over time the populace politically revolted to get a better life. That's what finally took out the USSR.
The Cold War was just that. A lot of hysteria, fear, and one upping. Very little war. The US didn't "beat" the USSR. The USSR, just fell so far behind the rest of the world that it's own people just said enough.
And it's very relevant in this situation. Are you also the correlation vs. causation guy?
Mod Up. The Dems seriously messed up what should have been an easy fight. Also to add, there was SO MUCH infighting in the Republican Party that a Democratic outsider basically knocked out 13? other "party favored" contestants to win. So Republicans royally messed up too AND continue to do so in office. Everything they FUDed about over 6 YEARS they STILL can't come to an agreeable solution on!?!
This is a case of two giants killing each other and the fly ruling in their place. Or a last minute donkey coming in to win the Kentucky Derby. I hope a ton of consultants, polling people, and other idiots got fired & banned from the political sector.
One think I will give Trump credit on and I hope it stays and goes down into the history books to his credit: More people are now talking about politics than I bet since World War II.
I love the smugness!
Keep it up. It's really helping your side.
North Korea will never denuclearize now that it has nuclear weapons, which it has attained since Trump took office.
It will denuclearize one way or another. Voluntarily or not.
Obama was a pathetically weak leader, who did nothing of consequence, while the North Korean threat continued to grow for 8 years. At least Trump has the courage, skill, and perseverance to face and resolve this threat.
It knows denuclearization will result in the US attacking.
The 3 carrier strike groups breathing down North Korea's neck beg to differ. The only reason they are there is because of North Korea's nuclear program. They are there to strike if North Korea does not denuclearize.
They can't really hurt us now, but they can if they're allowed to move forward with their nuclear program. Now that we have a leader taking the threat seriously, we won't let that happen.
Now Kim can tell his people the US doesnâ(TM)t want peace and Bolton doesnâ(TM)t want peace.
Kim can tell his people whatever the hell he wants regardless of what we do. They have no access to any other media or points of view. That sounds familiar, by the way.
Oh poor A/C NK has played Cadet Bone Spurs, and now You; like a banjo.
Poor you, who can't defend your position with anything but lame insults.
That's all anyone needs to know about you and your dangerous, pacifist talking points.
This peace through strength after Iraq war was the biggest recruitment tool for terrorism as well. It may cause governments to collapse, but it won't rebuild those governments or cause the people there to give up peacefully.
Actually, peace through strength didn't work with Iraq -- not everyone can be reasoned with. We wouldn't have had a war if it had.
The biggest terrorism recruitment tool was pulling out of Iraq, Afghanistan, and the middle east in general under Obama. His apology tour didn't help either. Not to mention, the deterioration of the global economy and the fact that they hated us before Iraq (that's one of the primary reasons we were there).
Now that Trump's in charge, ISIS has nearly been defeated. Now, it really is a JV team, Obama.
I was actually a tiny bit hopeful as I read the summary of this article - the text of Mr. Trump's letter to NK:
". In a letter to Kim, the president said; "I was very much looking forward to being there with you. Sadly, based on the tremendous anger an open hostility displayed in your most recent statement, I feel it is inappropriate, at this time to have this long-planned meeting. Therefore, please let this letter to serve to represent that the Singapore summit, for the good of both parties, but to the detriment of the world, will not take place."
I was thinking wow - has Mr. Trump actually grown up a little? Deigned to start acting presidential? Sigh. No. Was not to be:
"He added, "You talk about your nuclear capabilities, but ours are so massive and powerful that I pray to God they will never have to be used."
And then he end on a dick move. Way to go Sir. You do us proud! .
I should have known better than to get my hopes up.
Go to President Xi.
Surrender. Surrender to China for the Korean War. Agree to openly apologize for interfering in Asian affairs. Agree to demilitarize all of the Korean peninsula, leaving no American military behind. Agree to fund resettlement of North Koreans who enter China after DPRK ends.
Agree to a full pardon of Kim Jong-un. Kim is granted a non transferable governorship for life of Pyongyang. With a limited autonomy from Korea, but no border checkpoints or other constraints, and full accountability to Korean law for the region.
In exchange for the surrender, PRC will line up a few million troops on DPRK's northern border and deliver the terms to Kim Jong-un.
DPRK will have no choice but to accept. They have no defenses to the north. If they move their troops north, they'll be open to attack from the south.
DPRK is abolished. The border between north and south, abolished. Free movement. The residents of the north free to go south. Those in the south, free to go north.
The plan would work, but no American would ever be willing to ask China for help. So we'll get nuclear war first. Stupid Americans.
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And that's the problem. The US is so arrogant and deluded that it thinks it is above other nations instead of equal to them.
There is absolutely nothing the US could do against NK without risking a war with SK, Japan and China. You piss off China and that's one war your "mighty" country ain't going to win.
US definitely will win and think there is general consensus.
If you are thinking Vietnam.... no Vietnamese didnâ(TM)t win. More Vietnamese died .... the war was on their ground with no damage to US mainland.... the US just gave up because we dont want to pay further price (which was way lower compared to Vietnamese side) for no real benefit. We have a choice because we are in control thus we can decide not to go further. Did the Vietnamese have the choice? No they are at the mercy of our choices.
If US is pushed in a war for survival and have to commit our full resources with no choice to withdraw.... which China may be able to bring in future.... there is still no doubt we will win..... I dont think even China is even able to push us to that level yet currently.
I love the smugness!
Keep it up. It's really helping your side.
It is hard not to be smug when you can't even hear me and just spew something about "sides" in response.
Spoiler: I wasn't taking a "side," I was pointing out the contradiction in accusing people of making a "think about the children" argument, when the topic is actually about children. People on any "side" should be able to understand that, if, but only if they're capable of both reading and comprehending before responding. If not, they'll just knee-jerk and presume sides based on the simple formula: "Is agree me? No? Other side!" The funniest part is that even if I spell it out, you don't have any opportunity for comprehension, because Reasons.
It is hard not to be smug when you can't even hear me and just spew something about "sides" in response.
Spoiler: I wasn't taking a "side," I was pointing out the contradiction in accusing people of making a "think about the children" argument, when the topic is actually about children.
It's funny to say that when you apparently just read 1 sentence of my post. The rest of the post explained the actually problem with this.
Nope.