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Ask Slashdot: Which Laptop Should I Buy For My First Employee?

vikingpower writes: Until now, yours truly has been running a one-man freelancer show. However, since January 1st the first employee is here, and of course I'm mighty proud of a stellarly clever young person working for me. She works remotely (I'm in one European capital; she is in another) and I need to buy her a laptop. Since she's straight out of college and a non-techie, she basically only knows one OS: Windows, although she could get comfortable with macOS. However, as a long-time (server-side) programmer, I feel Apple hardware is seriously overpriced. Also, my brilliant first employee will mostly do research and hardly needs anything more than a browser, Office or Office-like software (yes, I'm looking at you, Libre Office, and I love you!), and bibliography software. Should I get her a Chromebook or a mid-level laptop running Windows? Any thoughts?

304 comments

  1. Let her decide by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tell her your budget and requirements (e.g. "Windows") and let her go buy what she likes.

    I would automatically say Microsoft Surface, with pen + dock + monitor + keyboard + mouse, but empower her.

    1. Re:Let her decide by bernywork · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Absolutely, it's not like you've got to manage 20,000 of these things. It's just another laptop, ignore the price tag (You still own it) just get her whatever she feels comfortable using.

      In previous experience, whatever it costs for mice or keyboards or whatever else is nothing compared to employee satisfaction and keeping staff (And when they're good, you want to keep them!)

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    2. Re: Let her decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, I think this is on the right track. If theyâ(TM)re most competent with Windows right now, you are going to get the best ROI putting a Windows PC in their hands vs spending salary for them to learn Linux, MacOS, or ChromeOS to get their job done.

      Also as suggested, make sure you budget for accessories (mouse, keyboard, extra power adapter, monitor) which can all help your employee be more productive and comfortable while working.

      There are tons of options out there, business and consumer PCs, but I would prioritize something with an SSD, Core i5, and 8 GB ram. Hard to go too wrong with LENOVO, HP, or Dell, or Surface laptop is also nice if you donâ(TM)t mind the fuzzy keyboard.

    3. Re:Let her decide by bobstreo · · Score: 1

      I would automatically say Microsoft Surface, with pen + dock + monitor + keyboard + mouse, but empower her.

      I do agree "Tell her your budget and requirements (e.g. "Windows") and let her go buy what she likes."

      Why pay a small form factor surcharge for a surface device?

      I'd look into a 17in laptop, or a smaller laptop with a docking station and a bigger monitor for normal office work.

      And spend some money on "good" anti-virus software.

      You should also think about how/if you're doing file sharing between you, and maybe how to backup any work-related data she will be creating.

    4. Re:Let her decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could recommend this laptop as a good choice (absolutely HUGE bargain):
      Compaq LTE 5280

      Remember as a boss you have to do something to make your employee miserable or otherwise it's not a job.

    5. Re:Let her decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This. When my boss offered to buy me a laptop I just asked bottom line, what's the budget?
      Because I had a nice gaming laptop in mind. He paid for what he was willing, I paid for the rest.

    6. Re:Let her decide by HornWumpus · · Score: 0

      Thread done.

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    7. Re:Let her decide by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1, Informative

      Why should she have to use (and possibly upgrade) her personal equipment for work? She might own a computer that works fine for her personal stuff, but doesn't measure up to whatever the job requires - like running a Java-based word processor and spreadsheet. :-P

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    8. Re:Let her decide by pigwin32 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No - she's a "non-techie". Don't just ask her to do it herself - if you've got a budget and there's some hardware you like then suggest that's what you're considering and ask for her feedback/confirmation. As a new employee out of college, you will gain a lot of kudos as an employer by buying her a decent laptop. How would you feel if your new employer bunged you a second-hand laptop or a chromebook? I'd be checking the job boards. When we hired we used to buy refurb Apple laptops until we needed more current hardware so shelled out for new MacBook Pro's. The employee we wanted to keep has been with us now for 8 years and we are stoked.

    9. Re:Let her decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You hired someone to work all day on a computer ... who doesn't own a computer. This is not an auspicious beginning.

      She was hired to be an assistant, reading the summary, I'd say she's already brought her own auspicious beginning to the table.

      In fact, I'd say the poster is giddy with her performance (quite literally it seems).

      Now, as an employer the poster is trying to find the best way to equip her for the job.

      But all you can do is focus on your usual negative bullshit?

      'Jeez, Bill, stick with the program.

      What would you equip your protege with in the same situation to maximize the work of someone who has already shown they can do the work to make your business grow? We're clearly not talking about someone who hasn't demonstrated the requisite skills.

      Or do you lack the capacity to say anything useful?

    10. Re: Let her decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $200 4gb/64gb Asus mini notebook w usb3
      $20 64sd card.
      $100 dock, keyboard and mouse
      $300 39" 4k monitor, usually run in 1080p.

      I would suggest giving the employee a budget of a thousand dollars and have them decide how to spend it to setup their office and equipment prior to hiring them.

      If they keep the thousand dollars and don't show up for work, great! You saved yourself a bad hire for only a thousand in costs. Otherwise review the purchase decisions they make and decide if you can trust them with any other duties ever again.

      Some jobs require more than a thousand in supplies, but most don't.

    11. Re:Let her decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you suggest a GARBAGE laptop for professional use?

      Sorry, but anybody who suggest any from Compaq for professional usage is a complete and absolute didiot.

    12. Re:Let her decide by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      She might own a computer that works fine for her personal stuff, but doesn't measure up to whatever the job requires - like running a Java-based word processor and spreadsheet. :-P

      The summary says she needs a browser and "office-like" functionality. A $29 Raspberry Pi can run a browser and Google Docs. Any laptop under a decade old should "measure up".

    13. Re:Let her decide by aleck7 · · Score: 1

      Quite risky to be honest. She's non-techie and will buy something red/cute/light/etc. Then you will end up with a company laptop you have no use.

    14. Re:Let her decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Moron wimpwuss learns new word, declares all discussion over."

    15. Re:Let her decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite risky to be honest. She's non-techie and will buy something red/cute/light/etc. Then you will end up with a company laptop you have no use.

      If the cost of a laptop represents a significant business risk you might as well consider bankruptcy now.

    16. Re:Let her decide by lsllll · · Score: 2

      Woosh!!!

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    17. Re:Let her decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. They need a computer not a toy.

    18. Re:Let her decide by Hadlock · · Score: 2

      The microsoft surface is not user-serviceable, make sure you add a very good repair plan to that purchase. I would go the opposite of 17", and buy a large external monitor instead. Your employee can reasonably carry a 13" laptop with them everywhere (and thus they're always working for you) but a 17" laptop, you might as well purchase them a desktop.
       
      Also the Surface still, in 2019, does not have USB-C, or Thunderbolt 3, and given the laptop is literally glued together, leaves you with a very short upgrade path. At least with a modern laptop with modern connectors you can attach a dock, alternate power supplies etc etc.

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    19. Re:Let her decide by lsllll · · Score: 1

      If I hadn't posted on this thread, I'd mod you troll.

      He said her needs were very simple and ANY computer people are surfing the net with would do what she needs. But more to the point of why she may have use her own personal equipment for work, is that she's the second employee of a company with two employees. It's not like she got a job at a multi-million dollar corporation.

      Having said that, there are benefits to having a company PC being used for work instead of a personal computer, but they fall outside of your reasons.

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    20. Re:Let her decide by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah... for your first employee you have to look at what it costs you to hire the person and/or to replace them if they leave for some random reason like "shitty computer." Generally, $500 isn't going to make or break the company, but can have a huge impact on employee perception.

    21. Re:Let her decide by argStyopa · · Score: 4, Informative

      As a small employer myself (I have 4 employees) I'd ENTIRELY DISAGREE.

      The new employee may know NOTHING about what they need. That just screams "Best Buy Geeksquad Gangbang Underbody-Rustproofing pricing".

      There is a big difference in quality of components between 'home laptop' and 'work laptop'. Some shitty HP Envy is *not* going to be durable enough to run 9+ hours daily week in, week out without issues. I'd recommend the business caliber lines from ASUS, Toshiba (maybe?), Dell.

      I know reviews can be gamed, but I don't disagree with most of the discussion here: https://www.techradar.com/news...

      It also depends on how much of a road-warrior she's going to be? Is she going to be working from a single place (mostly) with the laptop being a laptop for the "just in case" convenience? (I assume this.) I'd offer other recommendations if she'd be constantly working on the road, from cars, coffee shops, customer sites, etc.

      I'd set a minimum target around $600-$700 for a decent Dell laptop, plus if they're going to be working at a desk, I'd plunk to dock a decent size monitor 24" or so, a decent keyboard and real mouse (etc will cost probably another $250) so all in about $1k. So much less eyestrain. Oh, and a decent CHAIR is going to cost comparable to that.

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    22. Re:Let her decide by ediron2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Let the employee advise, but don't let the choice be silly, and **ABSOLUTELY** get something with deep warranty and 3 years on an industry-leading service contract. AppleCare, Microsoft's equivalent plan for Surface Pros, Dell's business support, etc. And if employee tries to be frugal and buy a cheap laptop via a retail channel, redirect them to something business-rated for quality of build. You want her to have a phone number or support counter she takes her laptop to, to have it fixed for free and without your involvement. Otherwise, it's like a wounded guy in a platoon: you're both somewhat incapacitated because you're trying to remotely wrangle support to get her back to work.

      Be willing to pay for accessories like a dock, plenty of memory, plus 1 or 2 additional screens. Eacch boost productivity vastly.

      Funny thing is, it'll cost you about what a mac does. And you'll want to budget for refresh each 3 years, to keep a live service contract.

      Last of all, in my experience, surface pros are flimsy compared to business laptops. I love 'em as a user, but you should expect broken screens and other nuisances. 2-in-1's have similar 'gadgety, not rugged' modes of failures: keys getting knocked off, hinges damaged, I/O elements suffering.

      YMMV internationally, but in the US I budgeted $3k for hardware and software was another thousand for those 3 years.

         

    23. Re: Let her decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If she lasts a month and is semi-useful, $2K is negligible. If she wants cute and pink, let her get that. Clone the drive for in case it gets hosed, do it every week, and write it off in 5 years when she's graduated to a work station.

      But I suggest also getting a docking station, keyboard, mouse, and a couple monitors. Because you want her to be prodictive at her research/browsing/typing.

    24. Re:Let her decide by vtcodger · · Score: 1

      let her go buy what she likes.

      Good idea -- if she has a preference. If she doesn't, it may be better for you to tell her (as generally or specifically as seems appropriate) what to buy than to have a salesdroid do the selection.

      Who is going to be her tech support? Husband? Boy/Girl Friend? Roommate? You? Whoever it is, their preferences/capabilities may be worth considering

      Although Unix is a superior OS in almost all ways, I'm not sure Linux is a great choice for a non-techie coworker in a distant city. If she can be educated on doing regular backups, I'd maybe go with a Windows computer that will run Linux satisfactorily if Windows turns out to be too fragile for her needs. Microsoft Office? Only if she somehow has a bunch of Office macros she plans to use. Otherwise Libre Office should be fine. Browser? Who the hell knows? Thanks to the total irresponsibility and incompetence of Google, Microsoft, the advertising industry, and just about every other major player, the Internet is becoming more screwed up by the day. I'd go with whatever she's used to unless you have a good reason to insist on something else.

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    25. Re:Let her decide by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      *whoosh*

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    26. Re:Let her decide by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Her employer may even require the laptop be encrypted. And data secured - backed up adequately.

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    27. Re:Let her decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Surface Go is more generally usable than the straight Surface at this point, especially since the Go includes USB-C 3.1 port.

      Thunderbolt 3 isn't really required, unless you're targeting a true desktop replacement, at which point honestly the new RoG Mothership is pretty tempting TBH.

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    28. Re:Let her decide by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      Another consideration: I assume EU legal rules are at least somewhat similar to those in the US - meaning her “work” computer is legally open to discovery, whether it’s actually her personal computer or one provided for her.

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    29. Re:Let her decide by Bert64 · · Score: 3, Informative

      If the business owns the computer, then it owns the data on it, can dictate how the hardware is used and can demand its return once the employee resigns. It's also your responsibility to maintain it and ensure it remains functional and secure but you also have some level of control over that security.

      If the hardware belongs to the employee then you have a lot less control, you cannot dictate what the employee does with the hardware, or who they allow to use it etc. Your company data becomes at serious risk.

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    30. Re:Let her decide by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Letting her decide is not a good idea if she's not a technical employee (and even if she was it's often not a good idea), as she won't have sufficient understanding of the subject to make a qualified decision... Her criteria for what laptop she wants might be "it's pink", or she might end up being scammed by a salesman in a store into buying something overpriced and unsuitable.

      Remember this laptop will be used to conduct YOUR business, and will hold YOUR data. You want to make sure it's secure, and you will be responsible for ensuring that as the user isn't qualified to do so herself. In larger companies you have an IT department to do this, but in your small 2-employee company that job falls on you and it's probably not worth the cost to hire someone else for that purpose.

      It's also your responsibility to keep the laptop functional, if it breaks your employee won't be able to do any work. Again as you don't have resources for an IT department or keeping spares on hand i'd suggest taking out a decent support contract on the device so you can get a quick turnaround on any repairs/replacement that might be needed.

      Also consider the data, your business data is important so you don't want it being lost in the event that the drive in the laptop fails or the device gets stolen. Ensure that data is encrypted on the device, and backed up regularly.

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    31. Re:Let her decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh, no.

      If you hire an employee for a specific job, of which the software they use is only available on that platform, you find the money to buy-in to that platform and software otherwise:

      a) you are going to be re-training them. That is a cost to you in time and money
      b) you are going to be buying additional licenses for software that they may already have and can use.
      c) you are going to incur additional support costs for that employee.

      No the right thing to do is evaluate what is best for your business. If your business is a Windows-only shop, or a Linux-only shop, then you only hire people who already know how to use the software you have.

      If you are wanting to hire someone who has a specific skill, but they use another platform, them you have one of three options:
      a) Let them bring their own laptop, that is a security risk if they're not good ad security.
      b) Assign them a machine that can dual-boot Windows and OSX, and if they leave, you still have a machine that can switch between OSX and Windows in case you run into this problem agian
      c) Have them decide what they want, and buy it, no questions asked. That may require further training for YOU in how to manage it, but you chose to hire this person and not someone who knows how to use Windows.

      To be fair, if the cost differential between a Macbook Pro and a Dell Precision 7530 bothers you, then you aren't ready to hire another employee.

    32. Re: Let her decide by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Most jurisdictions will just take and search your machine. Encryption by itself isn't even adequate. Cloud storage just means they ask for your password.

      Against the State there is little defense. But against theft you have to encrypt.

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    33. Re:Let her decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you copy the MS shilling quote from CohibaVancouver's post above or are you the same person?

    34. Re: Let her decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bill would just outsource her job, then laugh maniacally when he reads that unemployment and poverty are on the rise.

    35. Re:Let her decide by hambone142 · · Score: 1

      "Straight out of college and a non techie".

      Yeah, let here decide :-^

      I'd opt for a refurbished Asus laptop. Price would likely be under $500 US.

    36. Re:Let her decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks to you I now have Ebay's Compaq 5280 ad plastered on my browser across various websites. A tactile feedback keyboard and Intel Pentium, those specs are hard to come by these days.

    37. Re:Let her decide by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Then you will end up with a company laptop you have no use.

      Why would red / cute / light equate to something for which you have no use?

    38. Re:Let her decide by Ambvai · · Score: 1

      I purchased a Surface 4 Pro a few months after they launched as a secondary device and I'm very happy with mine, but I have specific requirements that don't fit everybody's use:

      Able to run Photoshop, Acrobat, and MS Office (or 100% compatible equivalents, including security validation features) concurrently with spare capability for a number of Windows-only proprietary applications
      Webcam and microphone
      Approximately A4 paper sized and less than 1in thick, including keyboard if removable, when closed
      Reasonably good stylus support, first or third party, that allows direct input on the screen
      A recognizable fairly neutral brand (basically, 'not a Chinese company')

      My entire office switched over to using Surfaces for on-site contracts after me, barring a few people who go to great lengths to avoid to using computers except when absolutely necessary and meticulously prep and carry around literally about a thousand pages of documents all the time.

      Having said that, I definitely would not recommend a Surface unless you're actually using it for its more distinctive features.

    39. Re: Let her decide by houghi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I own several computers. If an employer even sugests I use them for work, I would think he was joking and joke back "Sure, and I can use your bankaccount in my private life."

      No way will I use personal stuff for work. Not even my phone.

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    40. Re:Let her decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, this!

      I've managed people, small teams and bigger departments, for a decade and a half and I can tell you: being able to influence your own work-environment is a huge driver in employee satisfaction. If you are going to be creating all kinds of technical difficulties that the employee doesn't understand and cannot manage herself it's going to frustrate her. So I wouldn't lock that laptop down, put all kinds of virtual environments on it, etc. I'd give her a budget to buy it herself. You write that she does research for you. She should be able to research if a low-end Apple is a better tool for her or a high end windows machine.

      One more tip: It doesn't make any sense to hire an external hand for 40 hours or so and then needing to spend a lot of your own time in administrating your office data. So reduce your own administrative overhead by buying a cloud subscription. Something like Google or O365. Use OneDrive sync or Google Drive so files are shared with you and backed up, even if something goes horribily wrong on her end. By using the the management features of those cloud environments, your data is reasonably safe and the type of endpoint you and your employee(s) use becomes irrelevant. It could be an iPad or a stationary PC; it doesn't matter. I've seen small companies really outperforming my own company in personal productivity because they chose modern cloud tools over whatever "classic" office tools were available from our IT department.

    41. Re: Let her decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You should also check if you are legally required to provide specific equipment in the country of your employee. E.g. in Germany laptops without external non-glossy screen and keyboard are prohibited for working extended time due to ergonomics (Bildschirmarbeitsverordnung).

    42. Re: Let her decide by W.+Justice+Black · · Score: 1

      Simple.

      1. Get a Windows laptop.
      2. She does absolutely everything on Chrome anyway.
      3. When it starts misbehaving, get her a Chromeboox, since she didn't need the rest of Windows anyway.
      4. Profit!

      No way I'd personally have non-techie employees on anything but Chromebooks these days unless they need some specific app that a browser doesn't provide.

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    43. Re:Let her decide by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Funny thing is, it'll cost you about what a mac does.

      Last time I checked, macs really were rather overpriced. A top end lenovo of better specs than the equivalent MBP (except the rather usless discrete GPU the MPBs have) loaded up with the long warranty and fast turnaroud servicing was still a grand cheaper.

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    44. Re:Let her decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is this "renedering" of which you speak?

      Never heard of it before.

    45. Re:Let her decide by cloud.pt · · Score: 1

      totally this. A decent chair doesn't need to cost 1000, but you can expect to shell out 500 (maybe less without taxes - euros here, not USD).

      I'm adding Thinkpad to the options. Lenovo is at least as good as Dell, and better than other son both maintenance, and IMHO incredibly superior in build quality. I'd also argue a solid monitor this year will have to be USB-C/Thunderbolt 3, have at least 2 downstream USBs, and charge at least 60w. This will be a 300+ affair, but will save you a docking station and a secondary power brick for her docked-up scenario, either at home or on the move.

    46. Re:Let her decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a small business employer, I agree with this. And do NOT cheap out on a chair.

      Since you're in EU, this probably doesn't apply, but one benefit that every person who has worked for me loved was the fully vested retirement plan we set up that they qualified for after 6 months working for me - we matched up to 3%. May not sound like much but over time it adds up.

      After someone has been working for you for 6 to 12 months and you're confident in their work and judgement, make it clear you are willing to consider buying any tool they believe would make their work easier, better, etc.

      Good luck!

    47. Re:Let her decide by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      He paid for what he was willing, I paid for the rest.

      How does the relevant taxman code for that. It's an asset with a depreciation timetable, but how much of the usage is business and how much is play?

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    48. Re:Let her decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still, ask her what kind of a computer would she like to have. It could be that she has only one stupid wish like "I would like it to be pink", but if you can fill that wish, no matter how stupid, it can improve the morale heavily.

      But a warning: If you ask her, but fail to deliver, it will lower the morale more that what it would be without asking. Unless perhaps you can convince her that her wish is bad or if you can show her that you tried your best, but couldn't deliver.

    49. Re:Let her decide by butchersong · · Score: 1

      She's non technical and he isn't in the same city... no IT department, I'd go with the chromebook if it meets their needs.

    50. Re:Let her decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great. You think, based upon minimal information, that this employee "may know NOTHING about what they need." And that this automatically leads to padding of an expense.

      Do you hear yourself? You come across like a dickish know-it-all. Is that the profile you wish to achieve, because if so, mission accomplished!

      First thing. Merely asking the employee sends a message that they matter and their opinion is important. It may very well be that this individual doesn't have strong preferences or good knowledge of the computer market. Doesn't matter. Ask them anyway.

      Second thing. If the employee asks for more computer than the budget can accommodate, you simply tell them that and offer a positive solution instead. It's trivial to negotiate an acceptable outcome without coming across like Mr./Mrs. Authority Figure Who Tells People What To Like, What To Do, And When To Do It.

      The OP was crystal clear that they were a small operation and this was their first hire. Thus they aren't dealing with "corporate standards", lots of bureaucracy, and legacy systems. This employer has flexibility and the desire to leave a good impression. Good for them. I hope they also have the wisdom to ignore bad advice.

    51. Re:Let her decide by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You can claim 100% of anything remotely work related. At least that's what cayenne8 says, and he's awesome.

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    52. Re:Let her decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows 10 is supposed to do away with computer management. That's why it has forced automatic updates and spyware.

    53. Re: Let her decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does your employer buy you a new set of wooden shoes every time you switch jobs? Ya goddamned squarehead.

    54. Re: Let her decide by houghi · · Score: 1

      If I need wooden shoes for my job, he better buy them.

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    55. Re:Let her decide by sh00z · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you should have hired someone who already owns a laptop.

      You hired someone to work all day on a computer ... who doesn't own a computer. This is not an auspicious beginning.

      So, you're just fine with discriminating against the poor. When I was in college (admittedly, 30 years ago), only about one out of 50 students could afford their own computer. Today that number might be 49 out of 50, but why would you deny the job to a qualified candidate whose only limitation is the size of their bank account?

  2. What they want? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's time to start delegating decisions my friend. Kidding aside, ask them.

  3. Ask your employee. by ron_ivi · · Score: 1
    It's really annoying having to work on a system you don't like.

    The cost of whatever laptop your employee wants (within reason) will be well worth their happiness.

  4. Trump brand laptops -Now with Treasonmonitor Free! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "It's not how great it is or what it actually does, it's how much complete bullshit you're willing to pay way, way too much for. Heh, morons."

  5. What was the point of bringing up Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If your employee is a Windows user, why did you bring up your Apple hate? Did they hurt you?

    1. Re:What was the point of bringing up Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it's relevant to the discussion and OP forgot how fragile the Apple Fanbois are.

  6. Good Luck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you need help with this decision then good luck to you in your endeavors.

    1. Re:Good Luck by aleck7 · · Score: 1

      Very true!

  7. Let her pick by fat_mike · · Score: 1

    I've been doing this for 30+ years professionally. If she's comfortable with Windows then stick with it. I tell people that ask me to go up to the store and find one that's comfortable for them. By that I mean, does the keyboard fit your hands, do you want a full numeric keypad, make sure the screen is the size that work for their eyes, pick it up and figure out if the weight is good, etc. Have her do that then, as her employer, find the one that best fits HER needs. You're not buying 800 laptops, just one.Then go configure the best make and model that fits those requirements. It sounds cheesy but an employee happy with the tool that they're going to spend most of their time on is a productive employee.

  8. Don't buy new by DogDude · · Score: 0

    Don't buy a new one. There's no reason to. It's a terrible waste of money, like buying a new car. Spend a few hundred bucks and get one of the tens of thousands of like new refurbs out there.

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    1. Re:Don't buy new by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Spend a few hundred bucks and get one of the tens of thousands of like new refurbs out there.

      Or she can buy a brand new 15-inch Chromebook for $149.

    2. Re:Don't buy new by DogDude · · Score: 2

      That's not really a computer. There's a very limited amount of things you can do with it. It's pretty much a big smartphone that doesn't make phone calls.

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    3. Re:Don't buy new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your lack of understanding of how the real professional world works is absolute baffling.

      Yeah ... lets waste money on a device that won't be able to do any of the work required by the user.

    4. Re: Don't buy new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is a Chromebook not suited for the work described in TFS? It's a fucking poster child for a chromebook if I ever saw one.

    5. Re:Don't buy new by Pascoea · · Score: 2

      I have to disagree with you. The problem with your suggestion is that a used computer comes with absolutely zero support. I used to work in the construction industry, and there are fewer things more frustrating that having guys stand around because someone thought it would be a good idea to buy a "good enough" tool, and it wasn't sufficient for the job or broke sooner than it should. People are FAR more expensive than (most of) the tools. At this shop we initially ran Dell, and later switched to HP. Either of those are fine choices. The key to it was 1) buy an "office grade" laptop (If you can buy it at WalMart, it's not office grade.) and 2) buy the gold level support with the accident protection. Yes, those things will likely double or triple the cost of a used laptop, but there's something to be said about a company that will show up the next day with replacement parts if something goes wrong. You're employee is no good to you if they don't have the tools they need to do the job.

    6. Re: Don't buy new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everybody is desperately struggling to switch their entire business to a web-based workflow. But they often have one or two legacy applications that prevent this transition from happening easily. OP is in the enviable position to start from scratch. It would idiotic to standardize on anything other than a modern collaborative web based work flow.

      In theory, this can be done with any of ChromeOS, Mac, Windows, Linux, ... But for lack of a dedicated IT department, it's much saner to pick ChromeOS. Less maintenance, no worry about malware, and the hardware is replaceable with minimal downtime if anything happens to it.

      Also, these days, Chromebooks run both Android and Linux, if there is some application that absolutely doesn't have support a web interface.

      Don't buy last millennium's technology, when the cloud works so much better

    7. Re: Don't buy new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol thats a pretty good description.

      Am considering one myself to use beside my gaming pc now.

    8. Re: Don't buy new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you hit on a very good point.

      Last time labour vs cost of equipment ratio was skewed towards tools costing as much as labour. Now that labor is so expensive, don't skimp on tools.

      In where I am, where construction crews earn usd300 while office con crew is usd400-600, its still at buy cheap replace often.

    9. Re:Don't buy new by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Does "a very limited amount of things you can do with it" include the things she's actually going to be doing with it? Because most day to day business actually involves "a very limited amount of things".
      If so, then what's the problem?

      Buying a device that is more complicated than necessary is just a waste of money, both in the initial purchase cost and in the subsequent maintenance and security headaches.

      Full blown complex computers are a niche only really required for specialist users, for most people a chromebook or ipad is actually a much better choice.

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    10. Re:Don't buy new by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Why pay double or triple the cost for premier support only to have a replacement arrive the following day, when you can simply buy 2 or 3 of the cheaper items for the same cost and have a replacement immediately available should the primary fail?

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    11. Re: Don't buy new by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      I guess it depends on the needs of the business, what applications are needed, infrastructure for file storage/sharing, things like that. Granted, with what MS has done with the O365 suite/onedrive/etc, picking up and moving computers isn't as big a deal as it was before. As a nerd, I'd agree that having spares on hand, ready to change out as needed, is a decent way to go. But if I wasn't a computer guy I would rather run my business, paying someone else to deal with the tech support side of things.

    12. Re:Don't buy new by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      I don't agree and would rather describe it as a browser that became hardware.

      But in the OPs situation, I would start with getting GSuite anyway. Gives you integrated file, user and device management. Then throw in a few chromebooks per person (add a cheap one for mobile use) a cash compensation for using her own PC for work and the promise to be able to use the company chromebook for personal use, too (after all, she can log in with her personal GMail account and it will be like a completly new machine) and let her deduct buying a personal PC from taxes.

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    13. Re: Don't buy new by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 1

      Chromebooks are SLLLLOOOOOWWWWWW. My kid has one for school... whenever I help, I end up using my 5 year old gaming desktop which is about 1 billion times faster when I have more than 3 tabs open in a browser.

    14. Re: Don't buy new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe in your limited mind " the cloud works so much better". Guess what that is complete bull.

      With the could, a single outage that last a few minutes can be the difference between making $$$ and losing a business..

  9. Lenovo Thinkpad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No one ever got fired for buying a Thinkpad.

    1. Re:Lenovo Thinkpad? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I was going to write exactly this.

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    2. Re:Lenovo Thinkpad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In this thread we learn which slashdot users have never owned a business.

      They're buying a new car whether they like it or not. Cheaping out and getting used equipment for an employee's setup is like buying a thirty thousand dollar car and getting used tires.

    3. Re:Lenovo Thinkpad? by boulat · · Score: 1

      Its likely the only serious choice for a Windows laptop.

      To answer OP's question: Chromebook > Lenovo > MacBook based on what you described the role would need.

    4. Re:Lenovo Thinkpad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit, having a 2-5 year old machine is not anything like running used tires. In this thread we learn which slashdot users fail at analogies.

    5. Re:Lenovo Thinkpad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much are you saving vs how much do you look like you don't value your new employee? Give her a new lenovo thinkpad, screen size whatever she is most comfortable with.

    6. Re:Lenovo Thinkpad? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I don't get it. I didn't say anything about buying used?

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    7. Re:Lenovo Thinkpad? by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Even a minimum wage employee in the EU is probably costing you around $20,000/year just in salary. If $500 (2.5% of salary) in additional equipment makes them 3% more productive, then you're getting a bargain, even before you consider the long term effects of morale, and the fact that you don't need to buy that equipment again every year.

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    8. Re:Lenovo Thinkpad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You were kidding about the Chromebook, weren't you? Many used laptops are far superior to the Chromebooks.

    9. Re: Lenovo Thinkpad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like the brushed look on the MacBook airs

    10. Re: Lenovo Thinkpad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Businesses can depreciate a new device over a couple years where I am.

      It's not worth the potential headaches of dying batteries, poor support, or warranty ending.

      New = warranty and support.

      An employee down for 2 days is costing money.

      Lost work. Even worse.

    11. Re:Lenovo Thinkpad? by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      "Superior" as in "more flexible"? as opposed to "restricted" and "manageable", which is usually preferred for business devices?

      Yes, a regular laptop has much more options what you can do with as an employee. That's what actually pro chromebook.

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    12. Re:Lenovo Thinkpad? by klubar · · Score: 1

      If you have corporate clients, you really can't go too far wrong with any of the corporate-style Window machines (Dell Latitude, Thinkpad, MS Surface) and W10.

      Buy a subscription to O365 E3. Last thing you want to explain to a client is why they can't open your "almost compatible" document, presentation or spreadsheet or all the formatting turned to mush. The $21 a month for O365 E3 gets you skype for business and teams (both likely what your clients are using) and reliable email.

      Don't cheap out. Saving $500 on the laptop or "free software" isn't worth losing a client.

  10. yeah by Presence+Eternal · · Score: 1

    If you need a browser computer, Chromebook is a pretty reasonable choice. Fewer security problems, no spindle drive to break, and low overhead. They support plenty of printers via cloudprint as well. And if the OS does somehow get borked, it's downloadable.

    HP has the stream line if you do need Windows. They're fine for what they are. Certainly better than the crapo celeron spindle drive computers some companies poop out and call "budget"

  11. "Seriously overpriced"? No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're a techie. She is not. You can do your own support. She cannot. Who's gonna do the support?

    If you're up for the support you can try and give her a linux laptop. That'll run libreoffice and a browser just fine. Otherwise:

    Go talk to IBM about windows and TCO, eh. Then stump up and buy the mac. Possibly a second hand one, but a mac.

    1. Re: "Seriously overpriced"? No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good comment. The time cost of the employee and the owner are much more valuable than the cost of the laptop. Get the easiest thing to maintain. This is why we get macs for employees at our small company as well.

  12. Lenovo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lenovo seems to have a good balance between price & quality.

  13. Neither Windows or Mac? by bjwest · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since she's straight out of college and a non-techie...

    For a safer environment, I'd give her something with Linux on it. It's not totally immune, but one hell of a lot more so than Windows and OSX, with the plus side of not reporting back home everything she does (Win10, not OSX as far as I know). If all she needs is email, web access and office (you've already said LibereOffice will suffice), she should have no problems with it, and can open just about any email without infecting the thing.

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    1. Re:Neither Windows or Mac? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1
      I'd give her something with Linux on it.. with the plus side of not reporting back home everything she does

      Unless it's the ChromeOS variant of Linux.

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    2. Re:Neither Windows or Mac? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      The only way I'd give a BUSINESS employee Linux is if the box had a VM installed and could run both Linux and WIndows. Other than having to copy files into and back out of shared directory to move between OSes, it works fairly well.

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    3. Re:Neither Windows or Mac? by aleck7 · · Score: 2

      Quite often non-techies struggle with Linux, but if you can make sure it runs smooth -- that's definitely a very good option.

    4. Re:Neither Windows or Mac? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is terrible advice, giving a nontechnical person or a person who has to deal with business folks a Linux machine is just a bad idea. Linux still runs like shit on laptops without a lot of luck/care/feeding and does the poster want to spend time running his business or teaching someone how to use Linux and supporting them in that process?

      Priorities... evangelize linux everywhere once your business is a success.

    5. Re:Neither Windows or Mac? by swillden · · Score: 1

      Since she's straight out of college and a non-techie...

      For a safer environment, I'd give her something with Linux on it.

      If she actually only needs a browser, plus some sort of office suite... I'd have her use the ChromeOS variant of Linux, with Google Docs. That will make your long-distance asynchronous collaboration smoother as well, since shared cloud-based docs are so much easier than emailing files around. Chromebooks are basically bulletproof from a security perspective (well, nothing is perfect, but ChromeOS is about as close as you can get), and since they sync everything to the cloud, and everything is versioned, you don't need to worry about backups. If her laptop gets run over by a truck you just buy her a new one and everything is there.

      If you're concerned about Google scanning your stuff, you can always buy her a GSuite subscription rather than use a consumer account. It's pretty cheap.

      Really, if you want a zero-maintenance business laptop for a non-technical user that doesn't need non-web apps, there's nothing that compares to a Chromebook.

      That said, I strongly agree with the commenter who suggested letting her pick. Unless she is so non-technical that she isn't going to be able to choose, or doesn't want to, you'll get more benefit from making her happy than you'll save from cheaper hardware. Unless her choice turns into a support nightmare, of course.

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    6. Re:Neither Windows or Mac? by lsllll · · Score: 2

      I totally agree. I've recycled old notebooks with Linux for old family members. They ALL love it, because it doesn't slow down over time and get bogged down like Windows or MacOS, and it does everything they need. The only bad thing about old computers is battery life. So, to answer the OP's question, I would not hesitate to get her a Linux based notebook. You may have to install Linux on it yourself and send it to her, or just choose on that already comes with Linux pre-installed.

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    7. Re:Neither Windows or Mac? by lsllll · · Score: 1

      Why muddy the water with an installation of Windows at all if she's got Linux? You're just asking to double/triple your problems.

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    8. Re:Neither Windows or Mac? by lsllll · · Score: 1

      See my other post. If my old, retired relatives can use a computer with a similar interface to Windows XP, any non-techie should be fine.

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    9. Re:Neither Windows or Mac? by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      They can use Linux just fine. No problem. LibreOffice, no problem. But getting them not to call it Excel, never going to happen!

    10. Re:Neither Windows or Mac? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you give them something with Linux on it, you are committing to train her on it. That's stupid if they're your first employee.

    11. Re:Neither Windows or Mac? by Bert64 · · Score: 2

      Giving a nontechnical person a windows laptop is also a terrible idea, they are not qualified to maintain such a complex system and it will end up infected with malware.

      Unless you have an IT department to configure and maintain things for you, both linux and windows are out. You'll be better off getting a mac or a chromebook.

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    12. Re:Neither Windows or Mac? by bjwest · · Score: 1

      Did you miss the part where he said email, web browser and office suite is all she'll need for work? If you need to spend more than two minutes training someone how to open those apps, you need to find another employee, preferably one older than three. As for after hours stuff she wants to do, she can train herself for that, and broaden her mind in the process.

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    13. Re:Neither Windows or Mac? by lsllll · · Score: 1

      Right! You can setup a Linux box to look just like Windows XP. There's NO training to be done really. The shit is pretty intuitive when it works, and it works nearly 100% of the time. If she's a non-techie, the times shit doesn't work she'll have to call someone anyways. What are you gonna have her do? Take a Windows notebook to BestBuy and ask for help when something doesn't work? She'll be calling you anyways.

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    14. Re:Neither Windows or Mac? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      plus add a VM with whatever other OS you want.

    15. Re:Neither Windows or Mac? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      and can open just about any email without infecting the thing.

      Why are you letting viruses get all the way to the point where they can be executed? What are you doing wrong? Why isn't your mail scanned in transit? Why isn't your virus scanner picking it up as it enters the inbox? Why isn't your email client preventing the execution of files? Please don't setup your email systems like we did in the 90s.

      As a non-techie she is not likely to go out looking for shady shit to download. The perceived risk / benefits are almost non-existent on a work machine. If anything it's usually the partially techie types who are more experimental and who you have to worry about.

      That said the biggest risk to any company these days is phishing related scams, and Linux is in no way immune from these.

    16. Re:Neither Windows or Mac? by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      If you're concerned about Google scanning your stuff, you can always buy her a GSuite subscription rather than use a consumer account. It's pretty cheap.

      Which is what you want to do for some other reason, too. Free Google accounts come with absolutely zilch support. If she locks herself out of her account, it will be lost.

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    17. Re:Neither Windows or Mac? by swillden · · Score: 1

      If you're concerned about Google scanning your stuff, you can always buy her a GSuite subscription rather than use a consumer account. It's pretty cheap.

      Which is what you want to do for some other reason, too. Free Google accounts come with absolutely zilch support. If she locks herself out of her account, it will be lost.

      There are good reset options available for consumer accounts, but you have to set those up in advance. Google pushes you to do it, but many don't.

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    18. Re:Neither Windows or Mac? by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      I know. (I'm volunteering in the Google forums....) But it's not only lost passwords. it's anything that could go wrong, up to the remote possibility of Google shutting down the free services without prior notice.

      You shouldn't rely your business on a service without any support or guarantees. Not mentioning any legal obligations bout business document retention for tax or other reasons.

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    19. Re:Neither Windows or Mac? by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      oh and of course as the poster is based in europe....

      The free services does not fulfill the DSGVO requirements if they want to handle customer data, while GSuite would provide the necessary certification

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    20. Re:Neither Windows or Mac? by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      ok.. 3rd time's the charm..... DSGVO = GDPR

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    21. Re:Neither Windows or Mac? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Money spent on the *initial* extra costs of setup and configuration of a laptop running a stable distro such as Debian is minimal in comparison to the *ongoing* costs of licensing, maintaining, cleaning, scanning, fixing, securing and constantly reinstalling a Windows 10 system. Just don't run a rolling distro, otherwise you'll be better off with Windows, in the sense that you'll be spending a near-equal amount of time on your system, but only this time in an unfamiliar environment.

      As for the "training" and "teaching" costs, what the hell are you people talking about whenever you bring that up? So you have to spend five minutes showing where someone needs to double-click for Firefox, Thunderbird and LibreOffice. No different than the amount of time you'd spend teaching people how to adapt to the next version of Windows after Microsoft inevitably reinvents the entire user interface again, just like they did the last three times.

      Seriously, if normal plebs can manage to adapt themselves across the differences between Windows 98, XP, 7, 8 and 10 (especially 8, with its XBOX-style desktop), then how is it so hard to imagine those same people adapting to Plasma 5, GNOME 3, Xfce or Cinnamon? Office workers don't ever need to see a terminal emulator.

    22. Re:Neither Windows or Mac? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How the hell is she going to do actual work with shit like Open Office and other OSS GARBAGE.

      Sure Office 365 is an (expensive) option... but for everything else LINUX is a STUPID answer.

    23. Re:Neither Windows or Mac? by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

      Ask her to check out a livecd first, one that you can't install from so she can't screw that up. A distro that looks Windows like. Then proceed. With a business class hardware and warranty.

    24. Re:Neither Windows or Mac? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Because most commercial apps don't ship Linux versions? Granted, I use LibreOffice myself because I'm too cheap to keep paying for Microsoft Office...

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    25. Re:Neither Windows or Mac? by swillden · · Score: 1

      :-)

      I certainly won't disagree with the basic point. It's unwise to trust your business with free services that give you no specific set of guarantees. There's value in paying just so that you have a contract and know what you can count on.

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    26. Re:Neither Windows or Mac? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Open Office

      Found the time traveler.

  14. Get her an Apple laptop. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You said it yourself, the hardware costs too much and she doesn't know the OS. So you should totally be considering Apple. Buy yourself a pair of clown shoes while you're at it.

  15. What you're asking for ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... is lightweight shit.

    Pick a mid-priced Windows machine and load it with a best-practice safeguard subscription (Malwarebytes) and she'll be good to go.

    Have her read an article or two about clicking on links in email, and navigating to bad sites. That stuff is everywhere.

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  16. Refurb Thinkpad? by Ecuador · · Score: 2

    For the last few years, I've been buying refurbished Thinkpads for most of my friends and family. There are refurbishers (even on ebay) that will give you Thinkpad that was £2k - £3k say 3 years ago (top of the line then, with i7, SSD etc) for 1/5th - 1/10th that original price, even at like-new condition. They are the most solidly built laptops (the X220 I have for outdoor telescope usage is fine in frost, under rain etc) and their only disadvantage is the lack for discreet graphic cards, so I recommend them for everyone but gamers.

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    1. Re:Refurb Thinkpad? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Do you reinstall the OS, or do you trust the refurbers?

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    2. Re:Refurb Thinkpad? by Ecuador · · Score: 1

      When I get them for myself, or someone very close, I get them without OS and usually without an HD/SSD as well, but for others I recommend they get it as a grade A, fully installed system.
      When I get them without an OS installed they are usually significantly cheaper, but they are not really tested (you can't see problems easily by booting to BIOS) so I've had to get some replaced in the past - too much of a hassle for the kind of scenario we are discussing.

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    3. Re:Refurb Thinkpad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just buy a new thinkpad. You will want that warentee.

      If all she will be doing is 'surfing the web' and a 'bit of excel' 8GB. If any sort of programming get something that can handle a VM and 16GB.

      Also splurge for an SSD. It will help with the longevity. The HD is usually one of the first things to eat itself.

    4. Re:Refurb Thinkpad? by Immerman · · Score: 1

      What exactly are you expecting to get out of a warranty that's worth 5-10x the cost of the computer? That's have to be a LOT better tech support than I've normally seen. (I'll admit I haven't dealt with Lenovo...)

      Think of it this way:
      Option 1: a computer with a year or three of warranty
      Option 2: Ten computers

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    5. Re:Refurb Thinkpad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Refurbs usually have a 1yr warranty and they cost several times less. Plus the whole point is that Thinkpads last very long.

    6. Re:Refurb Thinkpad? by lsllll · · Score: 1

      Dude, thank for the heads up on the X220. I've been using a 2013 MacBook Air with Linux on it for the past couple of years, but the keyboard is starting to go bad and I'm considering getting a notebook with real keys. This is a sweet notebook!

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    7. Re:Refurb Thinkpad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ++

      I like them with no HDD (but caddy, please) because I'm just going to pull whatever junk is in it and put my own SSD in there and a clean install of whatever OS I'm using (win 7 on, say, x200s, win10 on i7 based machines) and max out the ram. The only problem I have with older thinkpads is the lack of FHD options (hard to find and when you do, they want a pretty penny for them in the x220ish generation). But, for $100, hard to complain.

    8. Re:Refurb Thinkpad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of the models like P70 have discreet graphic cards but those models are big and heavy. On the other hand, laptops for gamers are usually bulky. Not sure if a gamer will be happy with 3 years old graphic card thought.

    9. Re:Refurb Thinkpad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually my employer recently gave me the task of choosing my own work laptop which the company would purchase for me -- and I went with a refurbished Thinkpad T550 -- and not regretting my choice yet. :-)

    10. Re: Refurb Thinkpad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Got my W550 refurbed for like 200 and it came with an i7, nvidia card, 16gb ram, and an ssd.

      Havent been happier. Long time Thinkpad user back from my T23 days...

  17. Dell Outlet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    get a good deal on a certified refurb Latitude with adequate specs and call it a day. You can opt for on-site support if available for very reasonable prices and save yourself a headache.

  18. DIY a Raspberry Pi laptop... by RyanRife8866 · · Score: 1

    Set the bar so low that they'll never expect much from you by just giving them a box of part to build their own Raspberry Pi laptop.

    1. Re:DIY a Raspberry Pi laptop... by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Except, amazingly, a RaspPi laptop is more expensive to build than a cheap Windows laptop/Chromebook is too buy.

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    2. Re:DIY a Raspberry Pi laptop... by michael_cain · · Score: 2

      Not amazing. Tiny market for the laptop bits sans motherboard, so pricey. Fixed costs become really important -- inventory, interest on the loans, up-front charges for molded plastic cases (even worse for metal stuff), billing, return handling, etc. There's a hell of a difference in what you pay for keyboards if you buy in lots of 100 rather than 10,000. Hand assembly, if the market is that small, is shockingly expensive.

  19. Do you want her to work or play games? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You can't be productive with a Chromebook. They aren't designed for multitasking. Try switching between a browser and any other app, multiple times, just to perform one task. Combine this with flawed copy+paste and other basic user interface features, and usability just becomes a pain in the neck when you really need to do a lot of work. Chromebooks aren't even very powerful, and their support isn't great.

    In addition, business software generally isn't created for Android first, it's created for Windows, Mac, or the web. Windows machines are flexible enough to do what's demanded of them, even if they're a little slow compared to an equivalently powered Chromebook.

    Windows machines are both relatively inexpensive, and provide for all your business needs. Even an entry-level Windows laptop is more flexible than a Chromebook. There are hundreds of laptops and netbooks that run Windows and cost less than a powerful Chromebook.

    Don't prioritize cost savings over productivity, unless you have to.

  20. ask about screen size by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    ask about screen size as some people may want an 15" over an 13" or smaller.

  21. Can't go wrong with Thinkpad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A Lenovo Thinkpad is still one of the best business laptops on the market. While Lenovo has made a few slip-ups they are a solid manufacturer who has done well after taking over IBM's laptop division. They take a beating and just keep running. Not the fastest, not the cheapest, but just a solid laptop. Definitely, you also want her input. I agree with you that a MacBook is probably a poor choice and definitely will cost you more for what you get.

  22. I've had good luck with Acer by MpVpRb · · Score: 1

    I also like ASUS
    I would avoid Lenovo and HP
    I despise Apple
    I have a Chromebox. It works great for youtube videos, but there may come a time when she will need to run Windows only programs
    Whichever one you buy, you will probably need to spend hours removing crapware

    1. Re:I've had good luck with Acer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Okay, looks like all of the amateurs are done with useless info that they consider "help."

      1. Research some retails near her and select an appropriate list of laptops that she can purchase.
            You know your business, so you (should) know the laptop's requirements. Asking her to purchase
            a laptop is putting too much on her if she's not technical. A list of acceptable laptops (aesthetic
            differences, screen size, keyboard, etc) is your job, but let her choose from your list to her taste.
            Do it wrong and you hurt her ability to work and be an asset for you. Her coffee mug is something
            she can select without your input, her work laptop is not. Best guide is -- what are you using as
            your work laptop?
      2. Remember this is a business. Her down time is your loss. So you want a replacement warranty
            (which is why I suggested a local retail). If you want to do mail order, buy a pair. This way
            there will always be a working backup that you can get to her asap.
      3. Ensure her work is backed up somewhere accessible to you (and not just on her laptop).
            You should know how mission-critical her work is to your business; ensure she's trained to make
            the appropriate backups on whatever schedule you determine is best.
      4. SSD are amazing as far as battery life extension (they are very low powered) and performance.
            Since spinners are around 5400 RPM, an SSD can provide great responsiveness over a mechanical HD.
            Worth every extra penny and she'll be less distracted waiting for "things to happen" with the HD.
      5. Make sure your equipment list does NOT include shinny screens. The eye fatigue is terrible.
              I know they look "nice," but you're asking for a migraine if you go that route.

      This is a very basic list - but should be a good start for you.

      CAP === 'atheism' <== No, I do believe this is a good list :)

    2. Re:I've had good luck with Acer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also like ASUS
      I would avoid Lenovo and HP
      I despise Apple
      I have a Chromebox. It works great for youtube videos, but there may come a time when she will need to run Windows only programs
      Whichever one you buy, you will probably need to spend hours removing crapware

      That's cool, but this is for business usage, so what you use to play Fortnite and watch PewDiePie Youtubes is not of huge relevance.

    3. Re:I've had good luck with Acer by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      So you want a replacement warranty (which is why I suggested a local retail). If you want to do mail order, buy a pair.

      Or go with one of the mail order busines lines that does same day warranty repair. Lenovo and Dell and I suspect many others offer that.

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  23. Easy choice by grumpyman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Of course it is Raspberry Pi with Slackware. This encourages and tests your employee's problem solving skill!

    1. Re:Easy choice by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Of course it is Raspberry Pi with Slackware.

      Sure, if your goal is to get her committed to an asylum for the insane.

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  24. Windows it is (unfortunately) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The cloud!" isn't quite ready for heavy office work unless you get a *cough* subscription, as opposed to you know, Libre Office. Google Docs is good for casual stuff but can slow down too much with longer docs. Similarly the new iPad pro is amazing, as a piece of hardware. The software that comes on it is underwhelming and Apple overpriced it versus the previous model, which is too bad on both counts as it's basically the best (not for gaming) laptop available right now.

    So stick with a windows laptop, unfortunately. A Core M3 Surface Pro 4 could be great. The 3:2 screen aspect ratio is beyond brilliant, I don't know why every non gaming laptop in existence doesn't copy it other than not wanting to "copy" Microsoft. There's newer Surface Pro models, but the "upgrades" to them are basically non existent. The thing is slim, light, very well built, useable just about anywhere, has a very solid battery life, and really is just about almost everything you'd want for $680: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=9SIA5E65CN6509

  25. Act locally ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since she is remote and support over phone is hard: Research a shop capable of decent support at her city, give her a budget and a hint towards that shop. Leave the rest to the locals.

  26. Apple is cheap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had 2 MacBook Airs and now a Macbook and at the entry level, the hardware is pretty cheap. It's just the extra stuff that is a ripoff. The build quality of the laptops is worth the extra money to me personally.

  27. $500 by KalvinB · · Score: 1

    Set a budget of $500 and let her buy the laptop she wants.

    Regardless of how she uses it, 4 cores, plenty of memory, and an SSD along with a full OS will ensure that she can install and run whatever software helps her do her job. Whatever you define her job as today is not necessarily what she'll be doing a year from now. Chrome just restricts her and your options.

    And if she stick around for at least a year, let her keep it.

    My first laptop was a used one my client just gave me and it worked well enough to start making some good money. My second laptop cost around $200 and worked well enough for a year to earn 10's of thousands with it.

    The last one I bought was around $400 and lasted for well over $100,000 in income.

    $500 is a perfectly reasonable number that will get her a perfectly functional machine that will make you both plenty of money.

    And that's why you shouldn't bother about who owns it after a year. If she's still around in a year, she earned it.

  28. Sadly I would recommend Apple by bananaquackmoo · · Score: 1

    Con: Apple hardware is expensive. Pro: Tech support is comparatively cheap, thanks to the Apple store. Remember that hardware is just a small part of the cost of a computer.

    1. Re:Sadly I would recommend Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there an Apple Store near where she lives? Essentially free support.

    2. Re:Sadly I would recommend Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on her work requirements and the software she needs to use. Also, is she capable of using OS-X ? While OSX is acceptably user friendly there is plenty of annoying features (lets start with Finder) that can frustrate the average non-tech user

      Not saying that Apple is a bad suggestion. Just that if she needs to use Windows software, a MacBook is not a good option (without spending extra money on a Windows license for dual boot).

      If she requires Windows, get a decent Windows laptop. Everything else is just IT political nonsense.

  29. Lenovo Laptops by shellster_dude · · Score: 1

    I'd recommend looking at the Lenovo business class laptops. We've been pretty happy with them for our small shop. They are very good quality, and decently priced. Most of the Lenovo haters out there are talking about their consumer grade laptops, which aren't even manufactured by the same division of location.

    1. Re:Lenovo Laptops by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      . Most of the Lenovo haters out there are talking about their consumer grade laptops, which aren't even manufactured by the same division of location.

      I think you hit the nail on the head here. There is no comparison between enterprise grade vs consumer grade.

    2. Re:Lenovo Laptops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have an older Dell XPS 15 laptop (i7, fast SSD, 4k 15" touch screen) that I use for coding. Excellent for what it does, but slightly big/heavy,

      For work, I have a Lenovo X1 Carbon. I travel to conferences and this is an excellent light laptop. It doesn't pack the same horsepower as the Dell. This is the laptop that I would recommend to most people that want something light. I have no experience with MS Surface, but seems to get good reviews.

  30. You know ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also, my brilliant first employee will mostly do research and hardly needs anything more than a browser, Office or Office-like software (yes, I'm looking at you, Libre Office, and I love you!), and bibliography software

    Before I even fully read this, I was already thinking Chromebook (or equivalent), and primarily because you said she was a non-techie.

    My father in law is a non-techie in spades ... uses his computer for email (old man jokes mostly), browsing, and mahjong. His old laptop which got upgraded to Windows 10 is on its last legs.

    For me, the recommendation came down to:

    1) price
    2) ease of use
    3) skill level to operate
    4) what tools you need to do your work

    We stood in a Costco, and I showed him a Chromebook, and explained that he could log into Google and get all of the things he does with Google now, and never give it a second thought. Everything he uses now would be right there in front of him.

    As a fair comparison, I pointed to a *mumbleslab* (no idea what it was called, not disparaging) -- it had an MS operating system, and got you Office 365. I asked him how many word docs and excel spreadsheets he'd be doing. He didn't seem offended when I suggested he wasn't likely to be doing many of either. ;-) If you don'e need Office, WTF are you buying a machine built around Office for?

    It boils down to ... do the tools that something like Google give you on a Chromebook have more value to you, or do the Office tools MS is offering have more value? In the category, I'm not sure there's anything else credible, but I don't know for sure.

    Privacy issues aside by hosting all of your stuff in either of those cloud's ... do you want to give your employee something which is best ease of use and least work to maintain, while mostly getting their useful data backed up into that cloud so they can be productive ... or do you want the headaches of a full on Windows laptop that has to be maintained and kept secure and all that stuff? Viruses and updates and firewalls and malware?

    What ecosystem do you use that will make what she uses mesh better with what you do? Do you want her in the Google universe, or the Microsoft Universe? Does a particular way of sharing documents work better for you? Your workflow will determine this.

    Personally my recommendation to the father in law was a Chromebook ... he already uses Google, has no need for the traditional Office applications, and as long as he has Mahjong and a few other things, he has everything he needs. He's never going to do any of the Word/Excel/Powerpoint things .. they add no value to his life because he's never used them in his entire life.

    But unless you want all of the headaches which come from having a laptop out there and all of the security issues she might encounter ... the cloud device seems like it removes the remote admin issue entirely.

    From there it's about what get you the best results for what you need her to be helping you with in terms of your own workflow, and only you know that part.

  31. Really?? by joao.cordeiro · · Score: 1

    You are a slashdot reader but you have no clue on what hardware to buy for a office laptop?

  32. Price downtime. by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

    How much does an employee cost you if their machine is offline?

    My IT team had a big number written on the wall of their office which was the revenue per hour that would be lost if the system went down. It was a huge eye opener for a lot of them.

    So, what does it cost you if she is offline? Lenovo or Dell business solution with a next business day replacement isn't cheap, but could be a LOT cheaper than losing her for a week.

    1. Re: Price downtime. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could just have a proper system build process and a spare laptop to two too you know. If my laptop dies i swap the microsd card and grab another. Later i can check if it is the hard drive or whatever. Network backups are a thing too if you are in the office.

    2. Re: Price downtime. by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      In the OP's case though she is remote in another city. So if there is a hardware failure how long till recovery?

  33. Chromebook. by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    That's just about a no-brainer. Unless she is an expert and knows what she wants and how to handle it and/or she needs to run special software that requires a certain OS, Chromebook is the way to go. Dirt-cheap, fast, zero-fuss and you won't lose any data.

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  34. None by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Set a budget for her, then let her buy what she wants within the budget

  35. Linus is pretty easy to grasp nowadays by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Iâd recommend a flat 14âoe Laptop with an SSD and an i5 and no dedicated GPU.
    There are plenty of options
    There are some nice options from POP with POP OS, which is basically Ubuntu with some twists and I prefer it over Ubuntu.

    Otherwise Manjaro is pretty amazong as well and very user friendly imo.

  36. What did you buy for yourself? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What did you buy for yourself?

    1. Re:What did you buy for yourself? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A cute little recent college grad that's apparently pretty desperate and not too qualified.

  37. Cost of a laptop by Solandri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As someone who runs a business, I've always hated it when employers skimped on employee equipment costs. The cost of a business laptop isn't just the purchase price. It's the purchase price + training costs + software cost (which you're trying to make zero) + setup costs + maintenance costs ( - sale price if you manage to sell it at the end). In most cases, these other costs far exceed the purchase price.

    On top of that, the cost isn't really a one-time expense. It's the cost divided by the number of months you'll use the equipment. So even a $2000 laptop with $3000 in other costs used for 3 years ends up costing your business just $139/mo. If you're paying your employee $3000/mo, this is a mere 4.6% increase. Less if you manage to sell the laptop at the end. You're already paying your employee a (relatively) huge amount of money. It's counterproductive to skimp on weak equipment which lowers their productivity. Unless the Chromebook will do everything and anything your employee needs, don't skimp. Spend a little more to get a nice system that will maximize her productivity. (And no I'm not trying to justify the cost of the Macs, which I think are overpriced unless you're in an art/photo/video/music/print business. There's a reason the just-as-expensive Thinkpads are so popular among businesses. Two-day turnaround for warranty repairs via overnight delivery is a huge plus if you're trying to minimize downtime.)

    Don't forget to budget for a file sync and backup system. If you don't have one yet, you'll need some sort of file server at your end, which her laptop connects to daily via a VPN to backup her work to your server. And that file server will need a backup system (preferably at least 2).

    Also, technically this should be a company laptop, not the employee's laptop. Unless you plan to make it a gift or part of her compensation package, it should stay with the company after she moves on or moves up. Avoids the awkward situation where the employee quits after 3 months and takes the laptop with them.

    1. Re:Cost of a laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL at the idea of selling a laptop at the end.

      I've regretted spending too much money on equipment, but never regretted getting stuff out of a dumpster.

      That's right, I've gotten perfectly good laptops out of the trash.

      Go figure.

    2. Re:Cost of a laptop by swillden · · Score: 1

      Unless the Chromebook will do everything and anything your employee needs, don't skimp.

      I don't disagree, but I want to point out that the primary value of a Chromebook isn't the cheaper hardware -- indeed, high-end Chromebooks aren't particularly cheap -- it's the fact that the costs of training, setup, maintenance and backup are all basically zero. Well, you might want to spend $5 per month on a GSuite Basic account.

      Of course if the employee needs to do something that can't be done in a web browser, then a Chromebook may not work.

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    3. Re:Cost of a laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you need to go over the submission again where the poster mentioned about his prospective employee's "light" requirements. So I Chromebook might just do, if the connectivity in her place (let's hope it's not in some of the least developed countries of Eastern Europe). Sometime simplicity is a virtue. Less of an surface for a would-be attacker. I mean, when was the last time somebody did something really evil with an HP programmable calculator?

    4. Re:Cost of a laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a reason the just-as-expensive Thinkpads are so popular among businesses.

      I was in complete agreement with you until here. My company uses ThinkPads. I hate them. They constantly register random clicks and key presses. Every few years I have to fight them as once again they try to take my desktop and switch me to one of those. They pay me $160l/year. When I use a ThinkPad when traveling, that works out to about $100 per "fucking piece of shit"

    5. Re:Cost of a laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just convince them to buy a dock (if they weren't already). Then stick it in its dock, close the lid, hook up your monitors, keyboard, and mouse, and forget about it. That's what my Thinkpad has been doing for about 2 years now and counting.

    6. Re:Cost of a laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've gotten free laptops by becoming friends with the IT folks, who will give me stuff that's perfectly good but they'd otherwise have to pay to get rid of. First and second generation Core i5's and i7's, slow as shit with the corporate Windows image and a 5400 RPM drive. Swap in a SSD and install Linux and it's suddenly a very quick and useful machine.

      I've found a few laptops in dumpsters but so far none that were functional. Plenty of perfectly good desktops and monitors though, including stuff only 2-3 years old...

  38. Lenovo Yoga C630 by reporter · · Score: 1

    In order for the ARM processor to gain traction in the market for laptops, we must start buying computers with an ARM processor.

    Consider the Yoga C630 by Lenovo.

    The retail price is $939.99. The discount price is $699 at Best Buy.

    1. Re:Lenovo Yoga C630 by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Because Windows 10 runs GREAT on an ARM?

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  39. What Tasks Will the Employee Perform Regularly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First determine the tasks that you will have the employee perform ands whether she will do it at a fixed location or is mobility, portability, and lightweight important? Second decide whether a notebook computer, a tablet plus keyboard and mouse, or something in between like a Microsoft Surface Go or Laptop 2 based in part on her preference and your budget.

  40. Priorities man by TJHook3r · · Score: 1

    You have literally two people to worry about in your company and the question you ask is about hardware? The hardware should not dictate your business you tight git! Just buy a decent machine that fits your future direction with regard to software... eg Skype, docx format, SQL... even OneDrive or the Google equivalent as it sounds like cashflow is limited. If all they need is a dumb terminal feel free to spend $200 on a Chromebook.

  41. Make your employee happy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The one-time investment of a tool is a lot less than European salaries. Just get her a Macbook Air, maybe even the refurbished 2015 model (just as fast as the new models but more rugged and has normal USB ports and more outputs for screen and audio).

    No hassle with support, it pays itself because of added productivity and because it is a nice machine it will be treated with care for sure. LibreOffice works fine but I prefer Pages which is free too.

    If she is just a temp worker get a Samsung/Asus Chromebook.

  42. Lenovo Thinkpad or Surface Pro by David_Hart · · Score: 1

    At lot of Businesses use Lenovo Thinkpads. They tend to be good reliable laptops. The main difference between the T series and the Yoga is that the Yoga series is lighter, has one less USB port, and comes with a built-in capacitive stylus (no batteries). The Yoga also turns into a tablet.

    For a dock I would either go with a Lenovo USB dock or a Targus Dual Video 4K p60 Docking Station. Both support dual monitor setups using a USB 3.0 connection and can be used with practically any laptop, doesn't have to be a Lenovo, and can be re-used down the line. Both use the DisplayLink technology which works well.

    If she is doing a lot of research and keeping notes, having two monitors is nice as well. As a network engineer, I usually have a console session running while working on something else. It's nice to be able to copy/paste or drag/drop between applications without having to switch.between them.

  43. Don't Let her decide by MrKaos · · Score: 2

    She has no idea how to buy technology and will inevitably waste the money.

    Buy a laptop that can be serviced remotely. A decent lenovo T series or Dell is a reasonable machine. She will be thrilled that she is receiving a new machine and won't be subject to decision fatigue from shopping for technology. Your time is a one time investment in setting up your infrastructure so your second employee will be practically zero setup time and they won't be wasting your time and money shopping for a different laptop.

    Take control of your infrastructure to save resources for business activities.

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    1. Re:Don't Let her decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Laptops that can be "serviced" remotely are exactly what you need to avoid if you value your data security.

    2. Re:Don't Let her decide by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Laptops that can be "serviced" remotely are exactly what you need to avoid if you value your data security.

      The hardware.

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    3. Re:Don't Let her decide by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The question really comes down to what type of work they will be doing?
      If they will be traveling a lot then they may be better off with a little more expensive Lenovo Thinkbad Carbon or a Dell XPS which are smaller and have good performance.
      If not, then the T series is probably the best bang for the buck.

      For business systems, it is best to be boring, get a well known brand, just so you have good support (including being able to stop at you closest tech store and get a new charger if needed)

      For your home system, you can break the mold, but for buisness, unless there is something special you need, just go with a good brand, and get something rather rugged.

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  44. Away from Macs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My company issues me a Mac and I have first hand knowledge of the problems of this platform. Not only it's overpriced, but also it is very fragile. You don't want to pay twice as much for hardware that is more susceptible to damage. Slim and stylish means more fragile. Then Macs require a ton of expensive adapters for everything.
    You want to plug USB stick? You need an adapter. You need to plug an HDMI cable? You need an adapter.
    Now I will not tell you one PC brand over another. I advise you however to get as a minimum a laptop with an i5 CPU, 8GB of ram and an SSD disk.
    Also include the purchase of security software. You don't want your employee to get infected with malware, do you?

  45. One with 8GB RAM, not 4GB. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously. Other specs don't matter much, except e.g. the screen.

    1. Re:One with 8GB RAM, not 4GB. by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I would make sure to get a SSD. Especially on a laptop - nothing slows down a laptop more than a 5400 RPM drive. If it comes down to 4GB upgrade or upgrade to the SSD, get the latter.

  46. Seriously? by nuckfuts · · Score: 2

    Holy Christ man! If you are going to be stymied over a decision as minor as this, you are going to have trouble being a successful entrepreneur. What is the difference in cost between the options you're weighing? A couple of hundred dollars? Make a decision and move on.

    1. Re:Seriously? by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Relax bro. This is something that can be discussed maturely. I am sure that when push comes to shove, the OP is perfectly capable of finding a reasonable laptop that will suit his and his new employee's needs. He is just bringing up some discussion to reassure himself that he has thought of everything in relation to this new situation.

      Try being a bit more generous in your thinking to come off as a less intolerant person. :)

      That being said, I would recommend a business line laptop with plenty of RAM, an SSD, and the highest screen resolution you can find with the ability to hook up to one or more external monitors.

      With the software requirements listed, I would 100% choose to go the Linux route, but if the OP is not capable of troubleshooting any issues with Linux, then go with what he can find support for.

      Cheers :)

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    2. Re:Seriously? by nuckfuts · · Score: 1

      FWIW, my comment was not based on being "intolerant". I was offering advice based on 12 years of running my own one-man business. That is - an entrepreneur must value his/her own time as much as other tangible costs. In fact, in a low-manpower business, time is the most valuable commodity.

      How much time is consumed by researching a bunch of options, then engaging in online discussions, over such a trivial question? How much could the business have earned by spending that time on something more profitable?

      As for recommending Linux on a business laptop, I realize this is Slashdot and I'll get flamed for saying it, but you're in serious fringe territory there. Sure, I've heard of many businesses running on Linux, even quite large ones. And for servers, absolutely. But for laptops/desktops? I've worked as a technician and consultant in IT for 35 years. In other words, since before Linux existed. You know how many times I've seen Linux running on a company laptop? Maybe twice. One of those was my own.

  47. Use case matters. by couchslug · · Score: 1

    If she's used to Windows it's stupid to retrain to a Chromebook when she could be making MONEY for both of you.

    Buy a business class notebook with onsite warranty. Only ask people who personally maintain fleets of such machines because individual anecdotes are shit. Visit established notebook forums. Slashdot hasn't been News for Nerds since it became Dicedot.

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  48. Dell outlet by k0nane · · Score: 2

    If you're going to cut costs, do so wisely. Get the employee something that won't break when she looks at it wrong, which will be performant enough to not get in her way, and which can be repaired quickly and easily. Any of the major business-notebook brands will offer that, but I tend to like buying from Dell's outlet. You can get good-as-new machines at Chromebook prices with - and this makes all the difference - same-as-new warranties with next-day on-site service. Get a decent Latitude with a 1080p display, recent-gen i5, 8gb of RAM, a 1-3 year next-day service contract, pop an SSD in it and you're out the door for under $800 for something that will last years.

  49. Dell EPS 13? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Touch screen, can run WSL and also zoom and pptx stuffs.

  50. NOT Toshiba! by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    I rather like my Lenovo Yoga, but I've had multiple Toshiba laptops fail, one within about a month of purchasing it (and BestBuy wasn't very cooperative in getting it replaced). My only complaint about my Yoga 710 is it's Lenovo-proprietary power connector, which most Lenovo's don't use.

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  51. DUDE YOU GOTTA GET A ..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    well that...

  52. Don't forget about maintenance overhead by aleck7 · · Score: 1

    Assuming one would be paying a market rate of $50+/hr I would seriously weigh in probable wasted on Windows updates/install/cleanups/etc as she would do that in business hours. I personally would consider a macOS-based laptop just to evade maintenance burden of Windows. The options could run from leasing one directly from Apple and expensify monthly as a cost of sales or getting a new/refurbished one and depreciate it. After her employment is over you can sell the laptop as an asset (if it's after three years in Australia - it will be written off already). Hope that helps. Disclaimer: based on personal experience.

  53. Does she need portability? by ASCIIxTended · · Score: 1

    I have an Asus Zenbook with an Intel core-M that works great. Plenty of power for all the tasks you mentioned, all day battery and no moving (and eventually failing) parts at all. If portability isn't necessary, do her eyes a favor and get her something with a 15"-17" screen instead. A larger screen will usually mean more productivity, at least it does for me.

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  54. Not sure about used laptops. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I swear by (i.e. always buy for myself) used desktops, but laptops get a bit more
    beat up over time. I would think twice about a used one -- figure the chance of it
    dying and the cost (in money and time and anguish) to replace it.

  55. You and her in Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get her the Gemini PDA with keyboard thingie, and tell her she has this as a backup; the laptop, or her primary, is up to her.

  56. Worry more about the support... Amazon workspaces? by drolli · · Score: 1

    * Must be "off the shelf" HW, nothing special (since you seem not to have an IT department available, and support is easier for standard HW)

    * should be possible to use windows

    * Ideally in a managed environment (-> Amazon Workspaces)

    How about an access to Amazon Workspaces (-> backup etc should be easy, especially if you wantto set up your own small network) + a low-end business laptop with windows pro preinspalled on it + a decent keyboard + monitor, since she probably uses the laptop (research) mainly from a single location.

    Or a thin client.

  57. ...when the were part of IBM by mschaffer · · Score: 1

    Lenovo has so screwed with the brand that you need to be careful when selecting. Some are hits, most are misses---including some of the old-school named models such as the T and X series. So sad.

    1. Re:...when the were part of IBM by edis · · Score: 1

      I am deploying several T480s these days, we got them for about a grand euros one, I consider this good deal for what it feels in my hands. Screen shows nice picture, keyboard is fun to bang, touchpad pleasing. Thin and light very reasonably. Swift with its SSD and late i5.

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    2. Re:...when the were part of IBM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Screen shows nice picture, keyboard is fun to bang, touchpad pleasing.

      Seriously, stop putting "nice" pictures on the screen. You have serious issues.

    3. Re: ...when the were part of IBM by Provocateur · · Score: 2

      You haven't even gotten to the fun to bang part of his post.

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    4. Re:...when the were part of IBM by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I have to agree. The place I work alternates between the corporate Lenovo's and Dell's. Quite frankly after seeing and using both, the Dell's are simply better. Better built, more solid, and more reliable.

      With that said, Lenovo is still a pretty solid second choice.

  58. Do not let her decide!!! good laptop with VMs by williamyf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    She is a Non-Techie. And she is in another country. That says it all.

    She is a non-techie, she will not be able to choose the best laptop. And she is a non-techie, she will not be able to administer and mantain the laptop (whanna bet on the "toolbars upon toolbars in the browser" Scenario?). And she is another country, so going to you (the boss) for help with the machine is out of the question.

    Buy her a nice looking laptop, good build quality, decent specs. Which supports *virtualization*.

    Put on the bare metal whatever Windows or Linux you feel confortable administering and lock it down as hell. Set up remote access. Choose a VM solution with good 3D acceleration. Then set up two windows VMs.

    One is her "WorkVM" with the web browser, WhatevurOffice, and any other program/app/whatevur she needs for work purposes. Lock it down as hell. Set this machine up to save all work related stuff to a folder shared with the host OS. Set up a decent backup solution for this guest.

    The other VM will be her "do whatever you like with it" "personal" VM. Do not lock it down that much.

    Keep two golden masters (one for each machine) if push comes to shove.

    Enjoy.

    Unlike dual-booting, this solution eases your administrative burden, trust me.

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    1. Re:Do not let her decide!!! good laptop with VMs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Massive overkill. It's a laptop, not a sterile laboratory. This is the sort of approach you can take if you have millions of employees and can't afford to spend time with each of them.

      Show your employee how to make backups effectively and they can do whatever they want with the laptop with very little risk.

    2. Re:Do not let her decide!!! good laptop with VMs by del_diablo · · Score: 1

      I think it might be overkill, but its also a solution that can be repeated and automated for the next PC that is setup.
      It can also be automated to setup PCs inside of the enterprise.

      Its complete overkill, but its also a setup that really can't be compromised. Installing new software is as simple as inputting the remote, and doing it.
      It would be beneficial to setup, merely to replicate the setup later for other computers to reduce maintenance.

  59. She should pay for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously. She probably has one anyways. If she doesn't she obviously needs one for work.

    She's not your responsibility.

  60. ...Yes! Very Overpriced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first time there is an insignificant hardware problem the Apple "Geniuses" will want you to get a new Macbook after claiming that everything is broken beyond repair (even some things that are not even installed in the Macbook).
    Don't believe me, just check out Louis Rossmann: https://www.youtube.com/channe...
    and Jessa Jones: https://www.youtube.com/channe...
    It's shameful what they see from Apple.

  61. recipe for failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, delegate to the locals. You know, those pimply-faced idiots that sell iPad cases, Blu-Ray discs, and the occasional laptop.

  62. Cheaping out by kamapuaa · · Score: 1

    You have an employee that you're spending tens of thousands of dollars on, and you're concerned about the cost of a single laptop, and you're considering using LibreOffice?

    You might save a hundred or two through this, but if they spend just a few hours out of the year having to deal with bullshit, it's not worth it. Get a Chromebook or a Macbook for the employee (and don't fucking worry if it costs an extra $200) because Windows is shit and will give the employee paid downtime. Get MS Office instead of LibreOffice because LibreOffice is shit and will give the employee paid downtime.

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    1. Re:Cheaping out by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      and you're considering using LibreOffice?

      Yes, that's a fine decision depending on what the employee is actually doing. Quite a lof of companies survive on google docs now and that's much, much worse.

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  63. Surface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MS surface appears to be going thru a potent technical puberty, and I'd definitely recommend it as a business workstation.

    I also did like the Lenovo workstation series laptops - the Dell I have now that replaced it just isn't anywhere near the build quality.

  64. Not a lenovo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless you like additional spyware on top of your OS

  65. You pay them by the hour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Personally I don't care what you give the employer, OSX, Windows , Linux , Chromebook, what ever.
    A computer is a tool, that's it.

    Just remember you are paying them by the hour.
    Anything you supply them where they are slower, less productive, you are paying for by the hour
    Anything you buy that's "cheap" and less reliable, you are paying for by the hour.
    Unless there is platform specific software being used (sounds not) then the ONLY choice is "What is the user going to earn me the most money with".
    Over a 4 year period, loss of productivity by 1/2 hour per week @$20/hr comes to $2000, and you could easily loose 100 hours of productivity in the first 6 months just with the learning they need for an unfamiliar platform.
    That employee is there to make you money, if you choose a computer based on ideological grounds rather than productivity grounds you will be short changing yourself.

    Anyone who tells you different is an idiot.

    1. Re:You pay them by the hour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Windows may be dangerous too. You can go take a shit and when you come back it's rebooted because you miss the time window to tell it to bugger off. If this is important you will have to pay more for Win 10 Pro even though using NONE of the Pro features except for better reboot time windows.

  66. Re:Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    poo on you

  67. Why not a desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is a desktop an option? This could solve a few issues : reliability, bad productivity of a laptop due to keyboard and screen, ability to use linux with about nothing misbehaving.

    You can research a 27" IPS 2560x1440 display for example. Use with a low end desktop (but w/ 8GB RAM). Real keyboard and mouse. A personal laptop can use the peripherals too.

  68. fuck slashdot dumbass neckbeards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Research my motherfucking ass

  69. Ob by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Classify her as an independent contractor and tell her to buy her own goddam computer.

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  70. Here we are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A decently fast laptop with aftermarket Ram and SSD will set you like $499. Just do it.

  71. without an IT department by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    You might be better served with a Chromebook. It does boil down to the applications you expect your employee to need for her job.

    Apple hardware with the warranty can be a good deal for a small business.

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  72. what type of research? by dwpro · · Score: 1

    If she'll be submitting papers she'll almost certainly need full blown office to get the formatting right. Otherwise, screen real estate, weight, battery life will all be important for working remotely. If she doesn't have a dedicated work colocation spot, make sure to get a good laptop travel bag and maybe one of those nice small wireless mice. Don't scrimp on quality , even if it's just cosmetic, it will make a difference on whether she feels valued.

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    1. Re:what type of research? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For molecular biology/bioinformatics research papers we've found the combination of Google Docs and Paperpile in Chrome to beat the old Word + Reference Manager/Endnote/Mendeley/Zotero/Whatever combo by a country mile, even for top-tier journals and NIH grant applications (although for the latter, we did need to format inline figures in Word; Libre Office probably works well for that, too). It also adds collaboration natively, not via a shitty Sharepoint account that never really works right.

      In the end, as long as Chrome doesn't run too slowly, and/or you don't need Photoshop/Illustrator, any OS/architecture should work. I would let her buy whatever she feels most comfortable with (within your budget, of course).

    2. Re:what type of research? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What type of research?
      What type of research?

      The kind young eastern European women do with webcams and laptops.

      Duh.

  73. If mac is fine, so is Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone who can learn to use a mac can learn to use a Linux computer, specially since you already consider using LibreOffice.
    Go system76 and make a big deal about it.
    If she thinks a mac would be better, fire her, you don't want that kind of trash in your company.

  74. Maintenance cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much do you want to waste on system maintenance, viruses, trojans, malware and script kiddies?

  75. You are about to discover the TCO of apple by goombah99 · · Score: 2

    Since you will now have to provide tech support and patching to prevent attacks you are about to discover why apple's are cheaper to own than other computers in companies that lack dedictated tech support.

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    1. Re:You are about to discover the TCO of apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're one of those people who thinks Macs can't get viruses. Good luck with that.

    2. Re: You are about to discover the TCO of apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are one of those people who doesn't do risk analysis.

    3. Re:You are about to discover the TCO of apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, instead, your viruses go undetected for years because nobody's looking for them - they all believe incorrectly as you do.

    4. Re:You are about to discover the TCO of apple by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Since you will now have to provide tech support and patching to prevent attacks you are about to discover why apple's are cheaper to own than other computers in companies that lack dedictated tech support.

      Ha, Apple's dedicated tech support will just tell you to buy another one and if you don't want to they will charge you almost as much as another one anyway.

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    5. Re:You are about to discover the TCO of apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might as well buy a boat anchor, because a Mac is about as useful. Mac isn't as large of a target because nobody uses them because basically no software exists for them.

  76. Windows or Mac only - Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It should be either a Windows or a Mac machine, with a good keyboard. If she's done any amount of research, she probably feels comfortable using Scrivener (a writing program used by researchers) and Zotero (a bibliography program that's much better than Microsoft Word's built in garbage). To my knowledge, these two programs are Windows or Mac only.

    I would give her a certain amount of money, and tell her to buy her own. If she'll spend most of her time writing, she'll want one with a good keyboard.

  77. Boxing week sales are still on & buy imaging s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Boxing week sales are still on so get on it and save some money. That saved money can and should be used to buy an external hard drive and install Acronis TrueImage or Macrium Reflect imaging software. Go to youtube and watch a few videos on how to use this and save two images. One is a baseline virgin image that you can (and will) revert to in case of screw-ups. Next, install all the software and updates you want and then re-image things again. This is the actual copy you'd revert to if the new hire borks the computer (and she most likely will one day). Both Acronis and Macrium allow cloud backups so you can always save a baseline copy to the cloud since she is in another location. She could in theory remotely restore her machine if necessary. It's not hard to do but she'll need to be taught.

    The kind of computer isn't that big of a deal but since she knows Windows, stay on Windowss. I would not buy a Mac, too expensive. Buy from a Best Buy or similar store where their Geek Squad or similar tech support can be the ones to help her in future when she screws things up because they are your rental tech support now. I'd buy a mid-priced machine NOT a low end one. No need for a high end machine except to make her happy and you poorer. It's not that big of a deal to carry around a computer these days. 15.4" machine at minimum with HDMI output. A good high resolution screen is required too. A good quality wireless mouse is required too, would not skimp on this. You'll have warranties for both for a while and peace of mind. You can buy extended warranties through them if you're interested (they'll gladly take your money too). You can always sell the machine in future and upgrade if she's still employed by you in a year...she'll be happy and so will you.

  78. Management by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the employee is a manager, be sure to throw in a set of knee pads & chin strap.

  79. Do what the big boys do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buy the laptop yourself. You know what you expect from your employee and what tools they need to get the job done. So, the specification should be entirely up to you. The base minimum IMHO is a Intel Core i5, 8GB RAM, and a 256GB SSD with a TPM chip. Make sure to buy business class machines not consumer level Fisher Price plastic encased junk. Ensure you provision the laptop in-house and make sure to enable full disk encryption, set up both administrator and user accounts making sure your employee only uses the user account, install an antivirus, install remote management, and remote support tools in addition to the productivity apps you require.

  80. Something Locally Supportable by coryhamma · · Score: 1

    Listen, you're hiring a person who works in another area, and you're unlikely to see each other very often. This means that whatever goes wrong with her computer, she will need to be able to reach out to a local company to have it fixed. I would see what support there is in her city for computers, and buy whatever they support. For example, if she was familiar with Apple, and there was an Apple store she could take it for issues, I would suggest you do that. If she's familiar with Windows, and most likely the Microsoft Office suite, and there is a Microsoft store in her city, I would get her one of their computers directly from the store, so she can take it there when she needs help. Since she is only one employee, that is probably the most effective option. Otherwise, you probably want to make sure she has access to a local tech support company who can help her. It would probably work best to pay them to procure a computer for her and have them set it up for her. You might be able to help when she's connected to the Internet (via Splashtop SOS or TeamViewer or something like that) but the local tech can help her get connected.

    Choice of computer - I would purchase something that has accidental damage protection, because the manufacturers like to blame it on the user's negligence, whether it was their fault or not. I would also get one of the business edition computers, which is repairable, like some of the Dell Latitude, HP ProBook/Elitebook, and Lenovo Thinkpad series. The business edition computers seem to be better engineered than the consumer editions. You need not know what is an easily repairable computer -- you just ask the tech person what computer can have it's RAM and storage drive replaced, and go with that one. It will be heavier than the ultralight computers, but it should be a reasonable 4-5 lbs.

    The other thing you should do is to ensure she has good Antivirus software installed, and that you pay for her subscription so it never expires. I know that Antivirus software is somewhat of a joke these days, but it's getting a little better. If it is hooked up to a web "console" that allows you to manage her antivirus, then it is easy to continue to pay for it. I use Bitdefender for home use, but there are a lot of other good software programs.

    Finally, you'll need a way to collaborate, and if she is already used to Microsoft Word / Excel, you might as well get her an Office 365 subscription. This way, she stays on the latest version of the software, and she can save files to a shared OneDrive folder. Ideally, she will never really need to have her computer backed up because everything she is storing goes into OneDrive. You could use another service - or even set up your own shared folder using NextCloud on your own server, but the focus should be for her to use something she is familiar and comfortable with. Make sure whatever file sharing service you use handles VERSIONING, meaning that it keeps old versions of files, as a primary defense against ransomware.

    There are a number of excellent solutions, but you are not present to train her on Linux or Mac or ChomeOS. Therefore, buy her what she is already familiar with, and encourage her to NOT use it for non-work purposes.

  81. What's your ecosystem? by Fencepost · · Score: 1

    What software and such is she going to need to work with? Are you using Google's GSuite? Microsoft Office? Office 365? What's your email setup? Cloud storage for standard files? Also, where will she be working? Office? Home office? Coffeeshops? Coworking space?

    If you're all-in on Google's ecosystem, then a Chromebook might not be a terrible option - in a lot of ways it's kind of a disposable terminal with everything online, but connectivity with it may be more important than with Windows or Mac options. Is LTE connectivity going to be required and is it an option where she is?

    If you're in the Microsoft camp (or thinking about it), there are worse options than a Lenovo Thinkpad with Windows 10 Pro (Pro because you *need* Bitlocker on it because laptops walk). An SSD is a requirement, probably in the 250GB range; 8+GB of RAM and an i5 are also a good idea (i7 is overkill, i3 may be sluggish).

    If she's going to be carrying it around all the time working in coffeeshops then get something light (e.g. Thinkpad X family), if it's going to be a desktop replacement you can get something larger and sturdier. If you're getting an older model, avoid the "Tx40" generation - the 40s included a failed try at a completely new touchpad - T450s or anything newer should be fine. If you do go with older models watch out for the W series - great machines, but W=Workstation. My W530 with a quad-core i7 and nVidia Quadro came with a 170w power brick that I think weighs more than some newer ultralights.

    On the Microsoft side of things you'd probably be best with something like O365 Business or Business Premium setup with hosted email and online storage, possibly through someplace like AppRiver or Sherweb (a couple $ more expensive per month, but improved support options, automated backups, etc.). That basically lets you treat a Windows laptop as a replaceable component as well, with everything stored online or synced online. If it walks out of a coffeeshop or someplace else, encryption protects your data and online sync gets you up on a new system quickly. (You can likely do a lot of the same with an Office Home subscription including setting up a separate account and sharing relevant OneDrive folders to that account, but I you'll be missing some of the access control and related functionality and won't have own-domain email. It's also not actually licensed for business use.)

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  82. Dell Precision by Greyfox · · Score: 1
    Dell Precision, pre-load with Ubuntu. Reformat the Ubuntu that comes with it off it the moment it arrives and install... more Ubuntu. Probably. Or Xbuntu. Replace wayland with X11.org.

    Specs, I7 or I9, 16 or 32 GB of RAM (You can do 64, but that's probably overkill,) maybe bump up the video card and spring for the 4K screen. With a young'un's eyesight, you could fit a dozen terminal sessions side by side. You can put up to a 2TB SSD in that if you're so inclined. The machine kind off puts the Fischer Price "My First Computer" Dell laptops I've received from employers to shame. It's also made me reconsider a grudge I've been carrying against Dell since the '90's, and my family usually carries grudges like that for multiple generations.

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  83. none by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because anyone who has to ask slashdot a boring question like this is going to fail as a business owner. Do your "first employee" a favor and tell them they're making a huge mistake working for an imbecile that feels the need to have a question like this posted to slashdot. I dont know who is dumber you or the editor that allowed this to be posted.

  84. Definitely consider a Chromebook... by JasonCurnow · · Score: 1

    If your employee is non-technical they are going to need support. There are some interesting proposals here, but a lot of them require hands-on access to the laptop or some solutions that sound great but might be difficult to manage in practice. And when they have a problem that you have to solve, it's your time AND their time wasted - a double hit. As with anything, keep it simple and supportable. Really, if you need a machine that will allow your employee to do basic office productivity, normal browsing and Internet use, a Chromebook is an ideal solution. There's almost no support needed for users, they are light, portable, cheap, and everything is stored in the cloud so there's no hassle for backups or shared storage. There is very little risk for viruses and malware on Chromebooks. Newer ChromeOS versions allow for offline use, so you can edit documents anywhere, even without Internet access. Just don't get TOO cheap - Get a Chromebook with a good screen (1080P) that is reasonably sturdy. I have an Acer Chromebook 15 for personal use and love it. Throw in a 32 GB low profile and I've got all the local storage I'd ever need. For $250, it's a STEAL if it does what you need. That being said, however, Chromebooks aren't for every purpose. If you need a specific software package or a tool you can't use in a browser you probably won't be able to install it on a Chromebook. But you'd be surprised how many apps there are for ChromeOS nowadays. Your employee might also not like something new - They might like all the features of Windows and hate feeling limited on a Chromebook. On the flip side, they might use today Windows because they always have and might really enjoy the simplicity and speed of ChromeOS.

  85. Consider a Chromebook by steveha · · Score: 2

    The company I work for is all in on Google apps. The standard for email is GMail, we use Google Calendar, we use Google Drive to share files, we use Google apps for collaborating on spreadsheets or word processor documents, and most people use Google Slides for presenting. For remote meetings we use Google Hangouts. We also use web-based software such as Slack and an issue tracker.

    Because of all this, a Chromebook is an excellent solution for many people in our company.

    The best thing about a Chromebook is that it Just Works. It's locked-down nature means you really don't need to worry about malware, and it automatically downloads security updates. (Unlike Windows 10, ChromeOS never forces you to take an update while you are in the middle of a meeting or presentation.)

    Also, if you are using "cloud" storage apps like the Google apps, then if anything happens to the Chromebook, the data will all be backed up. Your employee would be able to just get a new Chromebook and could get sorted out and back to work very quickly.

    Because your business is too small to have a dedicated IT department, using all Google apps would have significant advantages. And those apps are IMHO about as easy to use as Microsoft apps or MacOS apps.

    As a bonus, if you standardize on Google apps, then your employee has the option of installing some of the apps on her phone (maybe just GMail). I have everything installed on my phone, including Google Hangouts, and I can deal with a lot of possible emergencies with just my phone. I like that.

    The one question mark I have is whether bibliography software is available for a Chromebook. A Chromebook does have Linux app support now, plus Android app support, and there are web-based bibliography systems, so... maybe?

    Also, some people strongly disapprove of Google, feeling that Google track too much about what you do with their software. If you have a philosophical objection to Google you may not want a Chromebook solution.

    I agree with all the people saying not to skimp but to get something nice. If you do this, I'd recommend one of Google's own branded products... the top of the line would be a Google Pixelbook which gets very favorable reviews.

    P.S. I personally own a Samsung Chromebook Plus with a non-Intel CPU (a hexa-core OP1 running ARM instructions). I've been happy with it... IMHO it looks a lot like an Apple product but it has a much better keyboard. It's half the cost of a Pixelbook but not as fancy. Like the Pixelbook it's just a touch over 1 kg and has long battery life. It does come with a stylus and it has a storage silo for the stylus.

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  86. *sigh* by zkiwi34 · · Score: 2

    Write down a list of the outcomes you expect your employee to produce. Drawings? Photo-Editing? Spreadsheets? Documents? Database creation/management?

    That tells you what they are doing for you. Then you can work out what software is required to do said tasks.

    Given the software being determined, then you can look up the best spec's for the computer system they need - Processor, RAM, Drive space, GPU, Printer etc.

    That tells you the type - Windows, Mac, Linux, whatever.

    Then you can determine the budget, and ask them to choose.

  87. the answers here are proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the answers here are proof why the nerdish/geekish ones are quite out of touch with real world.

    Linux! raspbery pi! silicon chips!

    non-techie employee. give her something that will help her do the job and she is familiar with. it is not like you are making an investment in a million dollar mansion. jeez. it's a tool, not a prize. teach her to get regular backups. arrange for basic tech support, anti virus, firewalls. get a refurbished thinkpad and be done with it. let her fall in love with the job not with this piece of hardware.

    raspberry pi, indeed. jeeeez.

  88. Used dell laptop, Ebay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Subject says it all.

  89. None by aglider · · Score: 1

    Use only a browser. Let her use whatever she wants.

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  90. refurbished 3-4 year powerhorse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Homes fairly cheap an Intel hasn't changed the CPUs the past few years.
    I7 16gb ram 11-15" monitor depending on needs, a docking station and two good hp/Dell 24â 1900x1200 office monitors +Windows 10, will only cost what low/mid range new stuff cost. 7-800dollars

  91. Keep it simple by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 1

    Calculate that you will buy her a new laptop every 3-4 years. Then consider that you probably are paying her at least €50,000 (we hope) but even so, her time is costing you money. A slow computer is costing you.

    Then consider that a &#226;&#8218;&#172;100 a month investment in hardware and &#226;&#8218;&#172;100 a month investment in software will probably yield near-optimal result.

    This means you should calculate &#226;&#8218;&#172;1200/year for hardware and &#226;&#8218;&#172;1200/year for software to hopefully optimize your ROI on employee performance.

    This means that laptop+dock+extra screen should be budgeted for &#226;&#8218;&#172;3600 or &#226;&#8218;&#172;4800. Software is MS Office 365 and maybe Adobe.

    I believe that pretty much every PC meets that target. So just tell her to buy what she wants, the amortize it over the ROI period and make sure she buys the support plan to cover that period including accidental damage.

  92. BACKUP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    make sure she backs up everything everyday or uses cloud based disk. don't accept any lip about it.

  93. Something from Purism by koavf · · Score: 1
  94. Let her choose her own by iamacat · · Score: 1

    You will pay tens of thousands of dollars in your employee's salary and benefits, a couple of thousand for a laptop that will make her a little more productive is pocket change. Have her visit Apple or Microsoft store and try different hardware for herself.

  95. Nothing says "I appreciate you" like... by Yaztromo · · Score: 1

    Should I get her a Chromebook or a mid-level laptop running Windows? Any thoughts?

    Nothing says "I really appreciate how brilliant you are as an employee" like buying them a craptacular mid-level laptop.

    Put the money in and buy your brilliant employee a high-end laptop. Something that shows that you value your employees, and something that shows off how well you treat your employees.

    There is nothing more demoralizing in a tech company being given a crappy mid-range computer. It's actually one of the things I look for when I walk into a tech company -- what sorts of machines do they provision their employees with? The innovative ones don't spare any expense on giving their people the best possible tools (even if sometimes they're overkill). The ones with the most loyal tech employees likewise have machines their employees are happiest with.

    What system is up to you -- a ThinkPad, a Google Pixelbook, a MacBook Pro, or a kitted out Surface Pro -- depending on your needs. But get something that shows that your company doesn't put up with mediocre, and trusts its employees with good stuff that makes them happy. Customers will notice, and so too will perspective future employees. The extra few hundred Euros you invest today will easily pay for itself.

    Yaz

    1. Re:Nothing says "I appreciate you" like... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      There is nothing more demoralizing in a tech company being given a crappy mid-range computer.

      And and/or one inappaopriate to the task.

      OP never mentioned, is he getting a portable desktop for someone who occasionally needs t oshift the computer, a genuine desktop wth no cables or a computer for someone who is actually moving around a lot.

      If the latter don't forget the weight. The extra 500-1k which is a small fraction of the overall employee cost will make the difference between day to day misery and getting on with work.

      Put the money in and buy your brilliant employee a high-end laptop. Something that shows that you value your employees, and something that shows off how well you treat your employees.

      Absolutely.

      What system is up to you -- a ThinkPad, a Google Pixelbook, a MacBook Pro, or a kitted out Surface Pro -- depending on your needs.

      I'd go for thinkpad or dell business lines, or a mac if you need mac. They are generally very well built and last a long time. I don't think pixelbooks are well tested yet for long term reliability.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
  96. keyboard layout in europe by houghi · · Score: 1

    Whatever you do, buy online as the keyboard layout will be different from what you have.

    Unless she absolutely needs it, think also desktop. Or at least make it clear that that is an option.

    I hate getting a laptpp from work, because it means I neet to work outside office hours.

    Also give her a real keyboard and mouse. Working on a portable day in day out is terrible. Again: keyboard layout.

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    Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
  97. Backups! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More importantly than model of laptop, teach her the importance of backups!!

    1. Re:Backups! by Gonoff · · Score: 1

      Keep all your stuff on the cloud of your choice and all done - Microsoft, Google, Apple, Amazon or whatever...

      --
      I'll see your Constitution and raise you a Queen.
  98. Standardise or not by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

    Do you want to setup some sort of standardisation at this point?

    If so, just pick a major laptop manufacturer and go with their products (Dell, HP, etc).
    Their products are quite good, and their support is quite good.

    If not, give her a budget and tell he to go buy one. Give her some minimum specs to help her on her way (You need an i7 CPU and 16GB RAM and 250GB SSD HD, stuff like that).

  99. go linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dell 5510
    with Ubuntu
    and you'll never come back

    1. Re:go linux by 0xdeaddead · · Score: 1

      Because she'll never get online! :P

  100. Get her the best of the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A thinkpad.

  101. Laptop? by Gonoff · · Score: 1

    Is she a mobile worker? That is the only reason to buy a laptop.

    The trouble with laptops is that you are generally legally responsible for giving her a safe and non-harmful working environment. That mitigates against laptops. They cause such things as eyestrain, carpal tunnel syndrome and RSI.

    My employer has me do on call so I have a laptop. At work, it lives in a docking station with proper mouse and keyboard as well as 2 standard monitors. This may cost twice of a comparable desktop. It will be slower as well but as I mostly tend to do things like RDP and web based apps I don't need a gaming-ready system.

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    I'll see your Constitution and raise you a Queen.
  102. All depends on the research by prefec2 · · Score: 1

    If she is primarily reading and writing texts, no computations, no statistics, etc. then a small computer would suffice. If she has an office, it would be nice to be able to attach a real monitor or two. If she is working mostly on the go (e.g., in different libraries)), then such office equipment is not necessary. Screen above 13" suck in trains and planes. If she will travel for you make it a small machine (planes prefer 11") also Eurostar has not much space. However, the smaller the screen the bigger the need to have a separate monitor in the office. Ah yes and for mobile computing battery life is super important.

  103. Learn to love business players and their support by cloud.pt · · Score: 1

    Dell ("for Work") or Thinkpad, unless MacOS/iOS are absolutely necessary for her line of work or she really has a preference.

    Let her decide the line, model, etc, as long as it's in a reasonable budget. Make sure support is extended for 3 years, includes accidental damage and dedicated professional lines, because I doubt you have outside insurance yet. Hardware downtime costs are exponential - you still pay for your employee's time, but they do nothing. You want to have the best support possible during the 3 years that hardware cannot be ejected from the company (in Europe, that's the usual time of materials depreciation, for taxation purposes). You can further extend the warranty later if you or the employee decide the hardware doesn't need a refresh 3 years after purchase.

    I suggest the "economy" 14' lines from either Thinkpad or Dell specifically. Not because they are great bang for buck, but because they are very serviceable by both you, your employee or the official support. These will usually have spare parts available locally, and even if they don't, units available for replacement in a jiffy.

  104. Seriously, /.? by jcr · · Score: 1

    "How to equip a newb" is now "stuff that matters"?

    -jcr

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    The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
  105. Lease! by gti_guy · · Score: 1

    Look into the cost of leasing a computer rather than buying. This may allow you to change makes/models sooner than if you bought outright, If also less money upfront for your business to spend.

  106. Libre Office? by 0xdeaddead · · Score: 1

    LOL look just stop it.

    Office 365 is $15 USD a month per person. Go get a registered domain. Get hosted email + all the office shit. Go get a good Lenovo and there you are.

    I did this for my employee's and guess what? I'm not the one wasting hours fucking around on file formats. I'm not the one dealing with shit hardware.

    You may as well hand her a paper notepad.

  107. Chromebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If all your employee needs is a Browser, more or less, then get a Chromebook. Simple. Cheap. Easy to manage.

  108. One solution is what I did for my old mother by e70838 · · Score: 1

    When the windows XP laptop of my parents died, I bought them a mini desktop with ubuntu. I live far from them and I perform the maintenance remotely (ssh and x11vnc). I think you could do the same for you employee: a dell XPS13 with ubuntu. You configure your remote access (for example using a ssh tunel from one of your sites) so that you can fix all her issues. Even dist upgrade can be performed remotely using ssh. The main advantage of ubuntu is that she will not install tons of crapware. IMHO, the single drawback is that battery does not last very long.

  109. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  110. ..Apple needs tech support same as anything else by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the tco myth is just that. especially if the user isn't familiar with the latest osx quirks already.
    just give 1300$ budget and let them buy whatever the employee wants.

    Apple has somehow managed to do some changes in latest osx revisions that have actually caused non techie mac users to seek technical support. Even for things like just having the email work correctly. It's also likely to update into something in 4 years that makes todays laptop totally unusable in practical terms, if you buy the model thats cheap today.

    I would automatically just say to not buy a microsoft surface too. It doesn't make you any more productive in any way whatsoever unless you're an artist who really, really digs it for some weird reason. People who buy it also inexplicably bought windowsRt tablets and convertibles.Inexplicably in the way that they couldn't even tell a good reason why they bought one.

    1300$ buys a just fine laptop already. if you want a higher bracket, you'll have to up it to 2600. if it's just office apps, writing, etc, you could get away with a 350$ but that's just insulting.

    In the overall scale of things the laptop is a rather small expense though compared to wages, but it's still money that you could use to buy a desk she likes, a chair she likes or a nice company trip. Of course you can probably trim it off taxes in 2-3 years depending on where your company is registered.

  111. Re: Trump brand laptops -Now with Treasonmonitor F by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently you still cannot spell Clinton correctly.

  112. Software Developer perspective - Apple Device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [ Thoughts from a professional software developer, 30+ years ]

      I'd vote for a Macbook air / Macbook or an iPad pro. I personally don't think Apple devices are overpriced for what you get. I still have an iPad I use daily that I bought new for $700 in 2013 - used daily for 5 years straight. We also have one from 2011 that is still going, but appears slow now. Either way, the hardware lasts, much more so than typical consumer-grade machines.

    After owning Macs in various forms (at least 10+ machines/devices) for going on 25+ years now, I have only ever had one fail on me. Since it was not under Apple Care at the time of the failure, it cost me a flat fee of $600 to fix - new, it was a $3000 machine - I have no regrets. It just doesn't happen that often. Consumer grade laptops would be throw aways.

    My other reason for voting for an Apple device is that they typically don't have a lot of issues and are easily supported. Windows machines can cost more in the time spent fixing / supporting the issues. Especially being remote, your relegated to getting help from whoever is local to her. If there is an Apple store nearby, they have unlimited help the first year, and if you purchase Apple care, it extends to 3 years - you have to decide if its worth it. I never bought Apple Care.

    If you don't want "Apple" anything, first rule is buy good hardware - plan on $1000 for a solid machine. Linux mint is a good OS option for ease of use if you don't want to go Windows.

    As a business owner, you don't want to spend time supporting the machine, it needs to work for you / her and not get in the way. This will require a higher up front investment, but will pay dividends in the long run.

  113. This should be all they need by trevc · · Score: 1
  114. The nice thing about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The nice thing about Apples is that, when something goes wrong, and it will, you can walk down to the local Apple store and get help, get it fixed, etc. With Applecare you have a 3 year warranty. With OSX's Time Machine you have automatic backups. And everything runs on Apples, including LibreOffice. I'm not overspending on cheap-ass hardware. I'm buying support! So much so that I've directed all my family toward Apple computers just so they'd have local tech support & help. And then there's the little stuff, like the dictionary app, or zooming in the screen. It's useful!

    Now Dell, HP, etc: Read Slashdot. Look at all the Windows-10 automatic upgrade headaches & problems. Look at what Microsoft calls "telemetry" and the rest of the world calls ultra-creepy spying. Perhaps Win10 is not the best choice, especially for a non-techie.

    Hey, my last HP laptop arrived with a broken harddrive. Windows swore up & down the drive was fine. Linux couldn't read many sectors and showed the SMART log at over 10,000 errors. HP fixed it for me, sent me a new drive. But this is not good for a non-techie. (Don't even get me started on backups -- I found Linux + ntfsclone worked best. And with the windows virus situation, I've had to roll back several times!)

    Meanwhile Macs have pretty good security, unless I give some random install the root password.

    Linux is certainly an excellent choice. But I think for a non-techie, the support (and security) you acquire with Macs makes them the better option.

  115. Durability and Reliability should be your baseline by X!0mbarg · · Score: 1

    Look for something that is reliable (I know, it has Windows as a built-in flaw) and durable, so she won't have to worry about a basic spill, or short fall off a table killing the machine.
    There are a Lot of brands and system out there that should fit the bill reasonably, so looking for Durable Laptop shouldn't be too hard to do.
    Add to that, you'll want "less than bleeding edge" and you'll be able to score a reasonable deal, too, as last years' systems are (almost) always deeply discounted and have had the bugs shaken out of them already.
    Try and get her something with a bit more storage that you anticipate, and the means of keeping things locked down, and you shouldn't need to replace her system until Microsoft does their next "Upgrade or Suffer" campaign.

    Good luck with your new business!

  116. Etch-a-sketch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should get them an Etch-a-sketch because you have give nothing in he way of job requirements/duties.

    If you really were a long time server-side developer you would know what those were; or perhaps you think 2-3 years is a long time .

  117. Try a good used business laptop from eb.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You get a good deal and great quality without paying original new thinkpad prices

  118. Dell Latitude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude you're getting a Dell

  119. What are the requirements? by Wdomburg · · Score: 1

    You haven't given any useful information that would suggest criteria. What is the employee going to be doing on the laptop? Are they going to be traveling? Will their activities be confined primarily to that machine, or will they be primarily accessing remote resources? And if they are going to be doing on-device work, do you have existing plans, tools or infrastructure to deal with date security and integrity, like off device syncing and backups?

    TL;DR: You're terrible at asking questions, so I won't bother answering. If the individual is familiar with Windows though, I see little good reason to force them to learn a new platform unless something else compels that decision.

  120. Don't bother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You will have to fire her anyway in a couple of months as your business fails. I'd save the money to survive the inevitable descent into poverty that will follow.

  121. BACKUP!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Be sure to install a good backup software and teach her to backup, backup, backup. I was lulled into always thinking my HPs would be around forever, only to have them die suddenly. I lost everything.

        As for computers, I prefer Dells and Asus (high end only). I hate to think of going beyond Windows 7. Waiting on Windows 10 updates to finish after suddenly popping up will be frustrating to her. After W7, everything is spyware.

  122. Ubuntu? by rnmartinez · · Score: 1

    This may be tough since she is remote, but in my office I converted 60% of my workstations to Ubuntu as an experiment - and virtually no one noticed and/or cared. They use Chrome for 99% of their work, so I just loaded it into a clean ubuntu 18.10 install and moved the gnome dock to the bottom instead of left. Without knowing more about your business, I liked the increase security, but I find that even a clean windows install is so distracting. Popups, updates, little animated tiles in the start menu - it felt like it was getting in the way of productivity.

  123. Fancyless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Common. Why spend on fancy stuff?

    Just get her a decent Dell i3 vpro and you're all set.

    This is the machine I use daily while Managing Services for all Latin American countries (big European company) and I don't miss anything more than that.

    Internet, Blue Jeans, Skype, Office and voilà!

  124. Get somethings business by petermp · · Score: 1

    Get something that is midpriced brand new laptop. Good choices are: HP Probook 4XX Dell Vostro Lenovo V330 Acer Travelmate All of these are not very expensive but are very durable. I personally like HP Probook 450 most, but would go will Dell Vostro as it comes with 3 year warranty as standard in Europe. The others come with 2 year.

  125. Have her choose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would say that a person need to use whatever they are comfortable with. Impositions on OS or hardware, particularly in small companies, just cause problems and loss of work time.
    I'm sure you have budget constrains, so let her know the price range she should be looking at, beside that, let her work the way she feels more productive.

  126. Ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do I change the new laptop battery? I brought it to a Starbucks like everyone else does, but it's not getting power. Did I give it the wrong coffee?

  127. Re:Don't buy new WRONG by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

    You want new, with a business class warranty. I've worked tech support and we got so many calls. Broke computer, 6-10 days to repair.

    "But I run my business off this!!!"

    Well you got a consumer grade hardware and no business level warranty. Nothing I can do.

    Go this route and buy 2, plus NAS storage to back up the whole thing so you can swap out to the backup when it breaks. That's expensive.

  128. What to buy by whitroth · · Score: 1

    Apple's vastly overpriced.

    On the other hand, DO NOT BUY a consumer-grade laptop. Only buy a business grade, such as Dell's Lattitude. It will last a lot longer, and you'll get significantly better service. But you can get this for the price of a Mac.

    Also, you might want to pay extra for an extended warranty. It's worth it.

    (Btw, I'm a sr. linux sysadmin, working for a US federal contractor - I've seen the difference between laptops we get, and consumer grade.)

    No, not a surface, or any of that crap. She'll want a real keyboard. And I dislike laptop keyboards, because I can actually type, and having my hands placed where they *should* be means I keep accidently hitting the touchpad.

  129. Dell XPS FTW by Bitbeard · · Score: 1

    For our users we chose the Dell XPS 13 with i7 processor and SSD. Fantastic combination of processing power and portability. When they are in the office, they dock at a Plugable USB-C Triple Display docking station.

    Dell has good support too. We had one go bad, but even with Dell's lowest-tier support we had it fixed and back to us in about a week.

    For small companies like yours, Office 365 provides everything most employees need - even cloud-based phone if you add Skype for Business.

  130. Thinkpad, Windows 10 Enterprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First: You will want to secure the computer since it's a company asset. The usual; like password protection, encrypted drive, VPN, etc.

    Second: Thinkpad. They are tough and durable and still a quality product that will last years. I'm on my third "business grade" Dell in three years so don't bother with them.

    As to OS, those recommending Linux, from a novice remote client user, are only asking for pain grief and agony. If she was a bit OS savvy, I'd agree with them, she's not, so pass.

    If one can run Windows, on can run Apple. These days, from an end users point of view, there's not much difference. But since, like you, I find Apple way over priced, Windows it is.

    So which version of Windows?. Believe it or not, Windows 10 Enterprise is my recommendation. One will need to configure it so you'll want to buy it, install it and configure it. Especially since one can turn off the "Phone Home" junk in Enterprise.

  131. Kinect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For Xbox.

  132. I'm sorry (not).. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but... AVOID CHROMEBOOKS AT ALL COST.

    Not worth the pain. for either of you.

  133. Since it's her first job.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    buy her just any cheap laptop, maybe even used one.
    And later if she is really good, buy her new X1 Carbon and make her happy!

    MacBooks are not an option, new ones are disaster, all keyboards get broken in several months.
    In big company we have lots of them and lots of trouble with new keyboards.

  134. She is using it let her choose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Give her a reliable machine with Windows. Give her a significant amount of screen space and consider also buying her an external monitor. Lots of screen time researching also means comparing many different things and going back and forth on different information and that takes up lots of screen space.

  135. Macbook air? by Codeyman · · Score: 1

    I've owned windows laptops (Dell inspiron, Lenovo, HP, Asus). NONE of them lasted me more than the 4 years. My 2013 Mac book air, even though expensive, is still going strong (and I work 8-12 hrs a day, everyday). If the new hire has to actually return the laptop to you when she leaves (i.e. it is not a gift/job perk and you can give it to you next employee), MBA would be a good investment.