Slashdot Mirror


2018 Was the 'Worst Year Ever' For Smartphone Shipments (cnbc.com)

2018 was the worst year ever for smartphone shipments, according to the latest figures from research firm IDC. It means Apple isn't the only company fighting to keep people interested in buying new phones every year. From a report: IDC said 1.4 billion smartphones were sold in 2018, marking a 4.1 percent decline for the year in an industry that's accustomed to rapid growth. In 2014, as well, 1.4 billion phones were shipped, which means the industry seems to have regressed about 5 years. Shipments shrank 4.9 percent for the fourth quarter of 2018, IDC said. Apple said earlier this week that iPhone revenues were 15 percent lower than last year. CEO Tim Cook said the strengthened dollar, an economic slowdown in China, lower subsidies on phones and its battery replacement program contributed to the drop in sales. Samsung phone shipments declined 5.5 percent and Apple's slipped 11.5 percent during the quarter, IDC said. But Huawei, which was able to capitalize on China, saw a 33.6 percent bump in shipments. Chinese vendors Oppo and Xiaomi also increased shipments, IDC said.

218 comments

  1. Well their batteries keep dying. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't want to buy a new phone because they're not worth the cost. They keep breaking and their batteries die. Why would I keep spending money on these hyped up pieces of garbage that surveill me?

    1. Re:Well their batteries keep dying. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't want to buy a new phone because they're not worth the cost. My two-year old, second hand phone works fine for my use case and is still receiving updates. YMMV

    2. Re:Well their batteries keep dying. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. The old phone is still working, and the new ones aren't much better. A few more megapixels or an extra camera does not justify a new phone.

      And they are all like. They just cannot innovate. Same form factor, nearly same hw. Nobody has anything extra the others doesn't have. E-paper anyone? DAB-radio? Slide-out keyboard? Nope, they are all the same - and the same as the last 4 years.

      Perhaps those folding screens will be interesting, replacing phone & tablet with a single device. Unless they break easily. But they are not around yet, so . . .

    3. Re: Well their batteries keep dying. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They are actually getting worse! Notches? No headphone jack? No SD card? Glued batteries?
      They can shove those 'flagship' pieces of junk back where they pulled them out from!

    4. Re: Well their batteries keep dying. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That and you cant watch Hulu on a phone very well

    5. Re:Well their batteries keep dying. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Out of all the phones I have owned for the past 20 years.
      Only one of them was due to a battery.

      First one: (Candy bar phone) I broke the screen while accidentally hitting an edge on a pillar.
      Second one: Flip Phone this one had an insane charging connector (it has 64 connection (all tiny)), which got corroded (on the phone side) so it wouldn't charge, unless I scrape and clean up with rubbing alcohol, until it was warn out.
      Third phone: (Flip Phone) Ended up in the wash.
      Forth Phone: (popup phone) Worked fine, however I switched carriers and you couldn't move your phone to a new carrier then.
      Fifth Phone: (Slim Flip Phone) Gave to my wife, because she washed her old phone.
      Sixth Phone: (iPhone) This one still works, I gave it to my wife because phone #5 was useless for her work, and she needed a smart phone, then
      Seventh Phone (iPhone 4) The home button got worn out.
      Eighth Phone (iPhone 6) This one the battery warn out, and I was expecting a bigger upgrade then what I got, so I never pressed the issue.
      Now I am on my current phone (iPhone X) with no real issues so far.

      But I don't see getting a new phone any time soon... I think the reason for me to switch off would be if my apps on my phone that I use for work are no longer supported.

      The biggest thing I see for the slowdown, is that their arn't any real wow features on these devices. Now in terms of performance a high end phone can compete with an upper-mid range laptop. Gives these devices actually a lot more processing power then something with such a small screen can effectively use.

      --
      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    6. Re: Well their batteries keep dying. by tsa · · Score: 1

      Donâ(TM)t forget the âoeThey are so thin I keep cutting my handsâ argument.

      --

      -- Cheers!

    7. Re:Well their batteries keep dying. by ctilsie242 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have a two year old phone as well. Even more ironic, it has a nice feature that the newer iPhones don't... the fingerprint scanner.

      Why spend all that cash for a relatively throwaway item? All buying a new phone does is make the phone makers richer. In previous years where there were actual improvements with devices, like higher IPS displays, fingerprint scanners, faster Wi-Fi and cellular speeds, it made sense to go with a newer phone. However, it will be years before "5G" gets rolled out, and there isn't much the latest iPhone 10xspro-platinum can do that an earlier iPhone can't, other than bouncy poop icons, and a little bit better camera footage.

      Phone makers have failed to understand something: The economy is tightening. People are starting to make sure their job is secure, that they can cover next month's rent, and meet basic needs, should they get laid off. The last thing people are caring about is a new phone, especially when companies are starting to do mass layoffs.

      Want to make a phone that sells? Make a decent midrange phone. Focus on VWs, not Maybachs. People will buy phones, but they are not going to throw $1500 at a new device in this economy. Perhaps make phones with user replacable batteries and other accessories, because people will buy new batteries, but not phones, especially if the economy gets worse.

    8. Re: Well their batteries keep dying. by houghi · · Score: 1

      These flagships are there to make the reast seem cheap. Remember when 200 USD was expensive for a phone?

      Sure, you can do much more with it now. When I look at my computer, I also can do much more with it now and prices I need to pay for a PC are lower than what I used to pay.

      Now people buy a phone that ONLY costs 500 USD and think they are smarter than those wgo paid 1000 USD. No, you still paid more than what you needed.

      --
      Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
    9. Re:Well their batteries keep dying. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>They just cannot innovate.

      There's no need for phones to change -- my work iPhone 5c is good enough now and I'm sure the company I work for would buy a new one every 6 to 8 years for each employee if that were an option

    10. Re: Well their batteries keep dying. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still waiting for something better than a Nexus 6p.

      Hasn't happened. In fact, phones are coming without headphone jacks, or with part of their screen knocked out.

    11. Re:Well their batteries keep dying. by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Also they're getting worse. Fewer and fewer phones are coming with headphone jacks, dedicated off-screen home/back/switch task buttons, and even SD card slots. Most are getting thinner, making them easier to break without a bulky case.

      I would probably be buying a new smartphone every year to keep up with technology changes if they still had slide out wide keyboards (no, that Blackberry with the thin keyboard doesn't count, believe it or not it's not just the size of the keys, it's also that the early sliders also provided a more effective UI to rotating the display than the gravity based versions), but right now I'm scared to buy one for fear of losing the features I already have. And yes, I'm paying the price in terms of reduced battery life as a result.

      --
      You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
    12. Re: Well their batteries keep dying. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. I pay $50/phone max. They break so easily and the companies behind them don't give a f*** about keeping them up-to-date security wise. They're hoping ya'll treat them as disposables. Well, if it's so disposable, I sure ain't gonna be paying durable goods prices for them...

    13. Re:Well their batteries keep dying. by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As someone that recently ended up with an iPhone XR (I was intending to stay with my 7 for a couple more years, but circumstances gave me this new phone) I have to say that FaceID is an under-appreciated feature.

      Some people have trouble with it, and that's a bummer, but I've never had any issue. It works at surprising angles and it's more convenient for me as a person that finds that he has gloves on or dirty/wet hands a surprising amount of the time. My phone never feels locked to me anymore. When I go back to my TouchID iPad, it feels broken. I wait for the hidden notifications to pop into view, and it takes me a moment to context switch and put my thumb on the fingerprint reader. My phone literally just beeped as I was writing this, and I leaned forward slightly and it unlocked while I was typing on my PC.

      Is it worth the aesthetic tradeoffs or price? I can't answer that for you, but this is a seriously impressive bit of technology. My phone never feels locked anymore, just ready to go. When I need to fill in a password, I just keep looking at my phone and my password manager handles the rest.

      I know it's a small thing to put your finger on a special fingerprint scanner in the grand scheme of things, but I honestly never want to go back.

    14. Re:Well their batteries keep dying. by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the user hostile options. In the past, updates were file based, so if you had a modded /system, it will still be OK. Now, it is by image, so any changes to a read-only filesystem mean no vendor fixes. Now, even rooting is difficult and has to be done via add-on methods like Magisk if it can be done at all, especially with top tier phone makers like Huawei doing their best to secure bootloaders and lock people out of their devices.

      On the Apple side, with Cydia all but gone, jailbreaking is all but dead.

      The ironic thing is that rooting is a must. It does not lesson the security of a device, but it allows one to block rogue/suspect apps from phoning home or to places it shouldn't on the Linux kernel level, a critical privacy tool.

      I agree about loss of features. What will a new phone get me? Probably a better camera and faster CPU. With MicroSD card slots becoming more rare, newer phones have lost storage and backup capacity.

      Maybe some phone maker can realize this and go back to designs which may be a little thicker and chunkier... but offer replaceable batteries, multiple SIM and MicroSD card slots, an open source ROM that can be updated via either block or files, offer LineageOS as an alternative, or maybe a ROM with root built in. A device like this would sell well, especially in this shaky economy where a phone maker likely will be better off selling accessories for people to repair/update/maintain their stuff than $1800 new phones.

    15. Re:Well their batteries keep dying. by Scarletdown · · Score: 2

      I don't buy a new house every year, or a new car every year, or a new TV every year, or a new refrigerator every year. Why the fuck should I buy a new phone every year when what I have is working fine and will continue to do so for years to come?

      --
      This space unintentionally left blank.
    16. Re: Well their batteries keep dying. by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      $200 is still ridiculously expensive for a phone. My J3 Luna I bought about 2 years ago was $50 or $60, and does everything I need it to do as far as smartphones go.

      --
      This space unintentionally left blank.
    17. Re:Well their batteries keep dying. by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      Besides the TV (which don't break as often as phones), everything you said has fairly easy to repair or easy repairman hiring ability.

    18. Re: Well their batteries keep dying. by edwdig · · Score: 1

      Smartphones were $200 when your carrier subsidized it.

      The original iPhone launched at $500 with no subsidizes. The early comparable Android phones were at least that much (I had a Droid, which was $600 unsubsidized). 2 year contracts with subsidized phones were standard though, so you probably paid more like $200 back then.

      About 5 years ago the carriers changed the pricing model. Base plan prices went down, and you paid full price for your phone - usually spread out over two years. If you want to use a phone for more than 2 years, you pay less now. If you want to upgrade every 2 years or less, it's a wash.

    19. Re: Well their batteries keep dying. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember when 200 USD was expensive for a phone?

      Yes, back when a phone simply had telephone functionality.

      Sure, you can do much more with it now.

      Which is why your comparison is apples and oranges, you are comparing a portable telephone to an internet-connected, miniaturised touchscreen laptop that also happens to have portable telephone functionality as well and seem confused as to why the latter is more expensive.

      When I look at my computer, I also can do much more with it now and prices I need to pay for a PC are lower than what I used to pay.

      Thats just evolutionary, there's nothing fundamentally different about PCs now than 20 years ago.

      Now people buy a phone that ONLY costs 500 USD and think they are smarter than those wgo paid 1000 USD. No, you still paid more than what you needed.

      So what functionality should a phone have and what price should it be?

    20. Re: Well their batteries keep dying. by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

      Well let's start at the beginning. How much does it cost the manufacturer to make the phone? IHS Markit claims the IPhone X has $370.25 worth of parts in it. Considering what they pay for labor in China it probably cost them $400 for an IPhone.

      Considering that retail markup is generally 100% that should put the IPhone at somewhere around $800.

      A Samsung flagship phone, like the S8 cost about $307 to make and sells for about twice as much as manufacturing costs or ~$720. However the S6 only costs $275 to make and sells for $700.

      The real question is would the phones cost more if they included replaceable batteries, a SD slot and a phone jack? For the last two probably by a few bucks. For the first probably not since having to solder a battery in has to be more expensive than just dropping it in.

      Of course if you make the case out of something cheaper than glass it would probably be cheaper too. (and not break so easy.)

  2. 1754 was not very good either ... by ElRabbit · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... so worst ever is probably exaggerated here

    1. Re:1754 was not very good either ... by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Does that mean desktop PCs are coming back?

      A few years ago it was trendy to depict the death of the PC, which never happened, it was just a mature market and there was no need to upgrade any more. Now it's cellphones' turn.

    2. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by dnaumov · · Score: 1

      The death of the PC did happen. Unless you can point to proof of some magic significat resurgence in sales that I somehow missed? A lot of regular people do not replace them once their existing PC dies because a smartphone serves their computing needs just fine.

    3. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why would there be a resurgence in sales? What most people have now is good enough, there's no need to upgrade any more. That doesn't mean it's dying, merely that the upgrade cycle has been broken.

    4. Re:1754 was not very good either ... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Funny

      To be fair the year-on-year decrease in sales from 1753 was 0%, which is lower than 4.1%.

      1999 was the best year, when smartphone sales increased from 0% to NaN%.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    5. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      What most people have now is good enough, there's no need to upgrade any more.

      Just so. Unless a new piece of must-have software comes along that requires a much more powerful box, the desktop is now where the automobile has been for a long time - does what needs to be done, lasts nearly forever (yes, I remember when a car was pretty much worn out after 50K miles, instead of still going strong at 150K+ miles)....

      --

      "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
    6. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The death of the PC did happen. Unless you can point to proof of some magic significat resurgence in sales that I somehow missed? A lot of regular people do not replace them once their existing PC dies because a smartphone serves their computing needs just fine.

      How ironic the the telephone replaced the computer. Fuck history and timelines.

      This also defines how we are devolving with computers. Of course a smartphone can replace a personal computer these days. All people use them for is social media and texting. A trained monkey could run a browser.

    7. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by c6gunner · · Score: 2, Informative

      The people who only used computers for social media will only use phones for the same thing, sure. But what made the desktop unnecessary is all of the other things which you can now do with a phone. Document viewing and editing, music storage and playback (or even composition), photo capture manipulation and categorization, finance management, tax preparation and filling ... phones can now do the vast majority of the things we used to need computers for. So what's left? Not much that would interest 95% of home users. Business/professional use is a different thing.

    8. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by dnaumov · · Score: 1

      This is precisely what "dying" means when it comes to sales. It doesn't require that people literally throw out their existing rigs to the trash.

    9. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by dnaumov · · Score: 1

      Nerds find the fact that the "general public" never really wanted most of what PCs offer to begin with quite a bitter pill to swallow.

    10. Re:1754 was not very good either ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      0% to NaN% is not an increase, unless you are a Javascript developer. I think you mean 0% to POSITIVE_INFINITY%.

    11. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, edit a document on a phone. Show me. And I don't mean cut&paste - write a few paragraphs of text.

      A home need only one 'computer', not a computer per person. Because light games & browsing is now done on phones & tablets. That computer is still needed whenever writing more than a tweet or two is called for. Therefore, computer sales are down - but the computer is in no way 'dead'. Stuppid salesmen tend to call anything 'dead' that isn't growing though - according to such people, 'food' is dead. Except it isn't - food sell as much as ever, and employ lots of people. But of course no increase.

    12. Re:1754 was not very good either ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, but they never went away. Tech businesses have no concept of what a mature market looks like. I bet Coke doesn't see massive sales growth year over year. At best they see growth in line with population growth. It took microcomputers around 30 years to hit that mark. It only took smartphones 10. The market isn't dead. It's just that we have hit a point where the market has reached sustainable saturation while at the same time the products have developed to be good enough. Early on each new model was objectively better over the last and provided a real tangible benefit. Now they don't. If anything they are worse in a lot of ways. At least in terms of what consumers actually want and what OEMs are willing to offer.

      There will always be an enthusiast niche who will jump for the latest and greatest, just like with PCs. But they will be small. And I think since the smartphone and mobile devices in general are designed as accessory devices, and not your primary computer, the niche will be small. But for the vast majority of the population they will only be replacing their smartphones through attrition from here on out. The world is not coming to an end and the smartphone isn't dead. It's just mature. And for some reason the tech industry can't wrap its head around the concept of a product segment ever being in a phase of growth or death. There is no middle ground.

    13. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by Bert64 · · Score: 2

      Most people don't need a computer, and aren't tech savvy enough to operate one safely... They might have bought one because at the time it was the only way to get a web browser or access email but it was never a suitable tool for most people.
      General purpose computers are and always have been a niche for geeks.

      --
      http://spamdecoy.net - free throwaway anonymous email - avoid spam!
    14. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Most people don't do much in the way of serious writing, occasional writing can still be handled by a phone even if its a few pages it might take slightly longer but it doesnt justify the expense of a computer if you only do so very occasionally.
      Many people who use phones regularly but rarely use computer are actually faster at typing on a phone.
      And finally a computer which is several year old will still suffice as a simple input device for text.

      --
      http://spamdecoy.net - free throwaway anonymous email - avoid spam!
    15. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      occasional writing can still be handled by a phone even if its a few pages

      Maybe, if your job involves a shovel or asking people if they want to supersize their order.

    16. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      I wrote my novel almost entirely on my smartphone. Google Docs meant I could open it up no matter where I was and write a few paragraphs. When it was done, I did export it into a full fledged word processor on my laptop to properly format it for printing/Kindle, but the writing portion was easily done on my phone. My second novel (still in progress) as well as a series of novellas I'm going to give away for free were also written on my smartphone. It's much more portable than any laptop and definitely more than a desktop PC.

      --
      My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
    17. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're an idiot if you're doing actual important stuff on your phone.

      Got an original idea and using google docs? Guess what-- now google has that idea. This is going to happen. There will be a case where a huge company steals someone's idea if there hasn't been already.

    18. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you mean by âoeorâ?

    19. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      How ironic the the telephone replaced the computer. Fuck history and timelines.

      That's not really what's happened. Computers are being replaced by smaller general purpose computing devices that fit in your pocket and also happen to make phone calls.

      --
      Wanna buy a shirt?
      https://www.redbubble.com/people/stealthfinger/shop?asc=u
    20. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      They started rising slightly in 2017, and all indications are that slight increase continued in 2018. So yes, they are slowly coming back - far from dead.

      --
      Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
    21. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by SWPadnos · · Score: 1

      The death of the PC did not happen.

      The death of PC sales may have happened.

      --
      - The Sigless Wonder
    22. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      I wrote my novel almost entirely on my smartphone.

      My biggest question, and not asking to be my usual smart-ass self, is "why?" I 100% understand the Google docs thing, I don't personally use it extensively, but I have used it and love it. (I'm pretty much conditioned to the MS world because of work, and their one-drive/O365 solution is actually getting pretty close to what Google Docs does well.) But I don't understand the reason for the choice of device. I am at least 10x faster typing on a keyboard than I am at text input on my phone. And I can't imagine navigating around a couple hundred pages of document trying to edit/move things around/etc. (I also have exactly 0 experience with novel writing. Anything I have written is business documentation.) Like I said, not asking to be a dick, generally curious.

    23. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by c6gunner · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Your paranoia is silly on it's own, but the ridiculous inconsistency of it is even worse. You think Microsoft or Apple can't access your "idea" stored on a desktop computer running their OS?

      Your response has nothing to do with the utility of phones vs desktops; it's just a nutty rant about google.

      P.S. google docs isn't the only option on phones.

    24. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They started rising slightly in 2017, and all indications are that slight increase continued in 2018. So yes, they are slowly coming back - far from dead.

      Wrong - you always just look at that one report that supports your claim, and then make up the rest as you go.

    25. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not the original poster but my mechanical keyboard has Bluetooth and works just fine with my phone and iPad.

      I could see writing for a long time that way. More so than with an awful laptop keyboard

    26. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      I used a Bluetooth keyboard whenever possible, but if I was just standing around waiting for a bit, I could load my novel up on Google Docs and type up a paragraph or two using the on screen keyboard during my wait time. It might not seem like much but it added up quickly. As far as moving through a document, I had chapter headers and was able to use "Document Outline" to quickly jump to the latest chapter instead of scrolling through a few hundred pages.

      --
      My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
    27. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      I did use a Bluetooth keyboard whenever possible, but the on screen keyboard worked fine also for quick "I'm standing and waiting with nothing to do for 5 minutes" writing sessions. It might only have produced a paragraph or two per session this way, but it added up over time.

      --
      My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
    28. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      "Yeah, edit a document on a phone. Show me. And I don't mean cut&paste - write a few paragraphs of text."

      Ironically, cut and paste is at least as big a pita as writing text. First you long press, then you drag some tiny handles whose size is resolution-dependent, so they are tiny on displays which are small but high-res. And then you (well, I) often run into the bug where the edit menu won't pop up if you've selected a complete sentence including punctuation which is both following and followed by a space. Drag either handle one character in either direction, and the menu appears. Good work, Google! Dildos.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    29. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by chispito · · Score: 1

      The people who only used computers for social media will only use phones for the same thing, sure. But what made the desktop unnecessary is all of the other things which you can now do with a phone. Document viewing and editing, music storage and playback (or even composition), photo capture manipulation and categorization, finance management, tax preparation and filling ... phones can now do the vast majority of the things we used to need computers for. So what's left? Not much that would interest 95% of home users. Business/professional use is a different thing.

      Do you really want to prepare your taxes on your phone? No matter how phablet-y your phone is, I can't imagine you will be able to spot typos or errors as easily as even a small laptop screen. And that is leaving out the difference in input methods...

      --
      The Daddy casts sleep on the Baby. The Baby resists!
    30. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by Solandri · · Score: 1

      That computer is still needed whenever writing more than a tweet or two is called for.

      PCs, tablets, calculators, smart watches, etc. are all computers. Their only difference is processing capacity (usually limited by heat/battery) and screen size (limited by desire to make the thing portable).

      The only things stopping phones from replacing your PC (other than for high-power applications like gaming) are display size, difficulty of data entry, general processing power/storage, and operating system inertia (software written for only that OS). Processing power and storage keep improving, to where people's phones are already more than capable of handling most of people's computing tasks. PC-like data entry can be accomplished with a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. And many phones can already be hooked up to an external monitor via HDMI (with some abortive attempts at a wireless display standard having already been tried).

      So basically the only things preventing your phone from replacing your PC are hardcore 3D gaming, and the inertia of most PC-ish software being available only on Windows. The latter is rapidly eroding (Office became available on Android and iOS a couple years ago). Eventually your phone *will* replace your PC. And probably a smart watch or smart ring will eventually replace your phone (the display and input interface will be a separate unit which connects wirelessly, and can be upgraded/replaced separately like you would replace a monitor, keyboard, and mouse).

    31. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 1

      The death of the PC did happen. Unless you can point to proof of some magic significat resurgence in sales that I somehow missed?

      "Death of PC sales" != "Death of PC" (I've been saying this for 20 years)

      --
      "Prediction: within 10 years, Windows will be a Linux distribution." Me, 7-6-2016
    32. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Well, since we all do them on postcards now, it's a moot point, right?

      --
      Velociraptor = Distiraptor / Timeraptor
    33. Re:1754 was not very good either ... by ImprovOmega · · Score: 1

      Well, to be fair, it's only POSITIVE_INFINITY% for (x = 1998 sales) lim (x-->0+) (1999 sales)/x.

      As stated (1999 sales)/(1998 sales) = NaN% (for 1998 sales = 0) because directionality cannot be assumed in the problem presented.

    34. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... except is not a "telephone" anymore, but a computer that happens to make telephone calls among many other things...

    35. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by Kulahan · · Score: 1

      The predictions were 100% that people would stop having desktops in their homes because their phones and tablets can do everything. That's the whole point of the "death" of PCs.

      But that didn't happen, because people still have PCs. They don't replace them as often, but you're insane if you think "saturated market" and "dead market" are anywhere near the same thing, lol.

    36. Re:1754 was not very good either ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but 1754 wasn't as bad as 1347. European sales were already at an all-time low and then the market shrank by 30%!

    37. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I new someone that pretty much exclusively used an iPad with a keyboard for editing.

      They weren't doing massive amounts, but daily updates to a website and interacting with potential clients.

      She preferred the computer for the website, but not enough to use it exclusively since the iPad was so convenient.

      --
      Wow, sent an e-mail as suggested when clicking on "use classic" banner, and got a fast response that addressed my msg
    38. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      death

      You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

    39. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Not even dead, just not as good as they once were. People and enterprises are buying new PCs still, there is still money to be made. "Dead" in sales means don't bother trying to sell because there are so few buyers that it's not worth the effort, which is not true for PCs.

    40. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Except that smartphones are crap at document viewing, finance mangement, tax prep, etc. A tablet is much better than a phone, just from the aspect of being able to view what's on the miniscule screen. But even a tablet is not as good as a PC. You will notice, I am sure, that tablets have not replaced PCs in the typical corporate office even though the vast majority of that work is merely viewing documents.

    41. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1
      From your own link:

      the market actually returned to growth in the second and third quarter of the year before being hit by a shortage of CPUs towards the end of the year

      Demand is increasing again, such that supply cannot match demand. Thank you for proving my point.

      --
      Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
    42. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      "Not as good as a PC" is not the same as "crap". And they don't have to be as good; they only have to be good enough, thanks to the added convenience. We have a post further up from a guy who explained how the added convenience helped him write a novel entirely on his phone. I recently did my taxes on my phone while relaxing on a lounger by the pool side. Would it have been "easier" for me to do them inside on a computer? Yeah, maybe. Might have been a bit quicker. But it would have been a lot less enjoyable.

      Again, for business use desktops and laptops still have their place, but for the vast majority of home use they are completely unnecessary.

    43. Re: 1754 was not very good either ... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Except that the screens are so small that only those with 20/20 vision between the ages of 14 and 22 can read it without squinting.

  3. Why upgrade? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why upgrade when most new phones really don't offer a reason other then it's new to upgrade over your phone from a couple years ago? There really isn't a good reason to upgrade to the latest and greatest.

    1. Re: Why upgrade? by c6gunner · · Score: 5, Informative

      From what I've seen amongst friends and acquaintances, there are only three reasons most people upgrade these days:

      1. The battery life has decreased to the point that it's unusable, and they don't seem to understand that you can change the battery.
      2. The phone stops working and is out of warranty.
      3. They're on a "plan" which amortizes the cost of the phone over several years, it's time for a renewal, and the provider has offered them a "deal" which they think is good.

      Personally I just upgrade on a 2-3 year cycle and buy second hand phones which are about a year old. By that point they cost half or less of the original price, and they've been on the market long enough for me to evaluate the relative performance and reliability based on consumer reviews. Plus I can check and make sure they have an active development community on XDA and a way to unlock the bootloader.

    2. Re:Why upgrade? by xonen · · Score: 1

      Indeed. My recent reasons to replace my phone:

      1. It wasn't waterproof and i dropped it in something wet. Touch no longer works.
      2. It was waterproof but i dropped it and the glass broke. Touch no longer works.
      3. It had it in the pocket of my jacket under very wet weather conditions. Touch no longer works.
      4. It's 6+ year old and still working and going strong. It's almost my oldest phone. Since all the others don't work i'm using it right now. I ordered a new one because it's slow, the 3G a bit buggy and slow, and mostly because it's incompatible with my banking apps.

      In short: they are made to fail, with this stupid glass screens with no or almost no bevel. The touch screen in particular is sensitive to wet conditions. By the way, with 'touch no longer works' i mean: random touches or unresponsive in certain screen areas, or a combination of both.

      --
      A glitch a day keeps the bugs away.
    3. Re: Why upgrade? by mjwx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      From what I've seen amongst friends and acquaintances, there are only three reasons most people upgrade these days:

      1. The battery life has decreased to the point that it's unusable, and they don't seem to understand that you can change the battery.
      2. The phone stops working and is out of warranty.
      3. They're on a "plan" which amortizes the cost of the phone over several years, it's time for a renewal, and the provider has offered them a "deal" which they think is good.

      I can boil that one down in to 1 reason.

      1. The phone they have is good enough.

      Smartphones are now mature. There's no huge advantage to buying a new model because it will only have minor differences. There aren't any more "killer" features to add, most improvements will not be noticed by the user, making fonts slighlty clearer, improving memory management, so on and so forth. There just isn't the impetus to upgrade any more.

      --
      Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
    4. Re: Why upgrade? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apps are incompatible with my banking.

    5. Re: Why upgrade? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      My current phone is a Moto Z Play. It's two years old and the battery, like many older smartphones, is going. Thankfully, with the Moto Mod concept, I can just buy a new external battery pack for $50, slap it on, and have good battery life again. No, it isn't going to prevent me from ever upgrading again, but it does help me push it off for another year or two.

      --
      My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
    6. Re: Why upgrade? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget phone breaks or is lost as a reason ; even normally careful people can have that one momentary lapse of reason, and there goes a phone!

    7. Re: Why upgrade? by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      I have had my OP3 for a little over 3 years and it still feels like a new phone to me. The battery life has not decreased significantly and it is still snappy.

      The only (not valid) reason that I can come up with for replacing it is that I am a little bored with it and want something new.

      But then I think about it for a minute and realize that the new phone will be fun for a few weeks and then it will be the exact same slab that I have currently. So what's the point?

      --
      My eyes reflect the stars and a smile lights up my face.
    8. Re: Why upgrade? by Hodr · · Score: 1

      The only reason I upgraded from my N5 to an S7Edge was the better camera. I will wait to upgrade my S7E when I can get substantially better low-light performance in pictures + reasonable size (5-6 inches, 7 is too big), in a decent price range ($300-$400). Would be nice to keep my QI charging, but no one does plastic covers anymore and glass is slippery crap.

    9. Re:Why upgrade? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Indeed. My recent reasons to replace my phone:

      1. It wasn't waterproof and i dropped it in something wet. Touch no longer works. 2. It was waterproof but i dropped it and the glass broke. Touch no longer works. 3. It had it in the pocket of my jacket under very wet weather conditions. Touch no longer works.

      My last phone had the same apart the touch just stopped working, no reason given.

      --
      Wanna buy a shirt?
      https://www.redbubble.com/people/stealthfinger/shop?asc=u
    10. Re: Why upgrade? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dang you must be a security guru. Denying yourself easy access to your bank accounts like that. You must be a master of dark secrets.
      If someone cleaned out my whole account my bank would put the money back with no problems. You should find a bank like that.

    11. Re: Why upgrade? by guacamole · · Score: 1

      Pfft. I have a OnePlus One (64GB) sitting in a drawer and I can say that it could still be a glorious phone even today if it had a fingerprint reader.

    12. Re:Why upgrade? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Me too, it was a LG Nexus 4 E960. I loved that phone until touch suddenly stopped working. I blame it on the fact that I tend to sweat, and that it was made by LG. Replaced it with a Moto G 2nd, which I regret because of the small RAM. I dropped it spectacularly several times, and the screen is coming out of the case at one corner, but it still works as well as ever. It wasn't advertised as being water resistant, but several independent tests have shown it to be highly so. Now I won't buy another phone unless water resistance is an advertised feature.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    13. Re: Why upgrade? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about end-of-life on security updates and OS upgrades?

    14. Re:Why upgrade? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Mine was the first xperia z, supposed to be waterproof so I can't blame that. It just stopped one day. After that I actually had a lumia 950 windows phone. That still works but got replaced anyway.

      --
      Wanna buy a shirt?
      https://www.redbubble.com/people/stealthfinger/shop?asc=u
    15. Re:Why upgrade? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      In short: they are made to fail

      What the fuck?
      1 - user idiocy
      2 - user idiocy
      3 - user idiocy
      4 - didn't fail

      Nice job on proving yourself wrong (and an idiot).

    16. Re: Why upgrade? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      How about end-of-life on security updates and OS upgrades?

      What end user cares about those?

      Keep in mind that the majority of people buying smartphones are just consumers. They don't want to use the device for anything specific, just consume through it. As long as they can do that, why do they care about the OG or whatever it is you called it.

      --
      Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
  4. It is revenue that matters by quenda · · Score: 3, Funny

    Never mind sales numbers, all Apple has to do is keep increasing the price of new models in proportion to falling sales numbers.
    Revenue stays the same, and costs even go down! Shareholders happy. How can the plan fail?

    1. Re:It is revenue that matters by FudRucker · · Score: 1

      soon a new iphone will be $5000.oo

      --
      Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
    2. Re:It is revenue that matters by mentil · · Score: 1

      That strategy's working out SO well for cable monopolies in response to cord-cutting, right?

      Shareholders care more about profit than revenue, anyhow (unless they anticipate the latter can be easily converted to the former via e.g. layoffs).

      --
      Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
    3. Re:It is revenue that matters by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Never mind sales numbers, all Apple has to do is keep increasing the price of new models in proportion to falling sales numbers. Revenue stays the same, and costs even go down! Shareholders happy. How can the plan fail?

      Seems legit

      --
      Wanna buy a shirt?
      https://www.redbubble.com/people/stealthfinger/shop?asc=u
    4. Re:It is revenue that matters by houghi · · Score: 1

      Again: How can the plan fail?

      --
      Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
    5. Re:It is revenue that matters by J-1000 · · Score: 1

      It worked for arcades in the '90s!

  5. 1973 wasn't great either I seem to recall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...

    1. Re:1973 wasn't great either I seem to recall by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Picked up in '74 though.

      --
      Wanna buy a shirt?
      https://www.redbubble.com/people/stealthfinger/shop?asc=u
  6. market saturation is a thing.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    who woulda thunk.

    1.4 billion phones. 7.6 billion people, figure half of that is probably too old, too young, not literate enough, or live where infrastructure is lacking. leaving 3.8 billion potential users....

    at 100% market penetration, that's literally everybody, everywhere on the fucking planet, buying a new smartphone every 2.75 years.

    1. Re:market saturation is a thing.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who woulda thunk.

      1.4 billion phones. 7.6 billion people, figure half of that is probably too old, too young, not literate enough, or live where infrastructure is lacking. leaving 3.8 billion potential users....

      at 100% market penetration, that's literally everybody, everywhere on the fucking planet, buying a new smartphone every 2.75 years.

      Except me. Fuck all of them.

      If you use a phone for anything other than making phone calls, you're a retard.

    2. Re:market saturation is a thing.. by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      who woulda thunk.

      1.4 billion phones. 7.6 billion people, figure half of that is probably too old, too young, not literate enough, or live where infrastructure is lacking. leaving 3.8 billion potential users....

      at 100% market penetration, that's literally everybody, everywhere on the fucking planet, buying a new smartphone every 2.75 years.

      Are you trying to say growth doesn't last forever?

      --
      Wanna buy a shirt?
      https://www.redbubble.com/people/stealthfinger/shop?asc=u
    3. Re:market saturation is a thing.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you trying to say growth doesn't last forever?

      Physical growth can't, which is why the gold standard was abandoned. Value can grow infinitely.

  7. Re: by kurkosdr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is how Android's problematic security updates will become a real problem. People will now keep old unpatched Android devices for longer, so all it will take is one golden exploit (think of Stagefright but self-propagating like MS Blaster of old) to bring down the Android ecosystem. Because most devices in the ecosystem are unpatchable.

  8. Why is this bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Smartphone tech has matured, so we dont need to upgrade every year or two year. This is a good thing. Why is every shit news site pumping out story after story on this. Is it a really a bad thing when we can consume less and save more?

    1. Re:Why is this bad by mentil · · Score: 1

      A contraction is many of the world's largest conglomerates could precede layoffs, or other measures that accelerate a recession. Probably $trillions of GDP, worldwide, come from smartphone-related employment/goods/services and those of their associated contractors. The US telecom monopolies could thus be seen as a world security risk, if they form an implementation/protocol monoculture that is easy to attack.

      --
      Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
    2. Re:Why is this bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is every shit news site pumping out story after story on this.

      Because it's news? Among the various definitions of news would be a change in some condition, such as a buying trend, that people might, you know, want to be aware of.

      Not really trying to dump on you here. I get that the fact that the wording can be alarmist but seriously, if you are in the content business, you have to have content--which is the modern name for news, I guess.

    3. Re:Why is this bad by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      Less money spend on smartphones means that more money is available for other things.

    4. Re: Why is this bad by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, yes, it's a bad thing.

      As it was a bad thing 100 years ago when one of the first overproduction crises happened. Farmers had to denaturalize wheat and feed it to cows. Then there were too many cows and they had to make machines that converted cows to giant hamburgers fed to the pigs.

      --
      I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
  9. give me a reason... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... to buy a phone with no new features in the past 5 years, aside from a slightly better camera. considering all they take away from us, like battery life and repairability

    1. Re: give me a reason... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Iâ(TM)m thinking of upgrading for:

      Wireless charging.

      Having a waterproof phone.

      Beyond that my three and a half year old phone is doing fine.

  10. Even worse than 1348's year of Black Death! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Talk about a year that was, err, plagued with problems...

  11. No killer features. by johnsie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Most people use their phones for messaging, calling people and scrolling through websites or looking up information. That can be done well on even the cheapest modern phones. I think a lot of people are addicted to their phones, but there's not this need to have the latest and greatest anymore as long as the apps run ok.

    1. Re:No killer features. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Until recently there was a big difference between cheaper phone's cameras and the high end ones. Now that gap has narrowed considerably, especially due to some really good mid range Chinese devices pushing up expectations.

      The industry is hoping that foldable displays are the next big thing, but so far no-one has demonstrated one that looked much good. They all tend to be a bit thick and a bit naff looking around the hinge.

      The only other thing at the moment is getting rid of the notch. Many phones are going to pin holes now, which are better but still not perfect. Some are going to sliders which seem to work surprisingly well.

      Google gave up on 3D scanning, seems like Apple may have a crack at it but it's not clear what the market is.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    2. Re:No killer features. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These aren't killer features. Hell even speed isn't a killer feature anymore because everything downloads fast. Thinner isn't a killer feature. Killer features people will care about: crack resistant screens, longer battery life (both in terms of days away from a charger and in terms of number of charge cycles before it gets unmanageable), more storage, better software stability, etc. Let's face it, flagship phone purchases fall into two big categories: Those who want the latest and greatest and those who want a tank that will last them years. The flagships have only the first in mind.

    3. Re:No killer features. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      Interesting, what triggered a poor moderator in this post? My guess would be suggesting that something Chinese isn't just a cheap rip-off of an American product, but it could also be an Apple fanboy.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    4. Re: No killer features. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The concept of Flagship needs to die. The sailors are getting restless and the admiral and his staff could easily be done away with.

    5. Re:No killer features. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      "Most people use their phones for messaging, calling people and scrolling through websites or looking up information. That can be done well on even the cheapest modern phones."

      Disagree. It takes at LEAST 2GB RAM to have a halfway decent web experience, and more is better. All this JavaScript used as a crutch by incompetent web developers who refuse to understand CSS has really ruined low-memory devices. Cheap phones still often come with 1GB, and most mid range phones still have 2, while high end phones have 3 or 4.

      A couple of cores is enough, but a couple of gigs is barely sufficient.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    6. Re:No killer features. by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      Almost certainly an apple fanboy (Google keyboard autocorrected that to faggot, which seems a bit aggressive) since they are more easily triggered than the Chinese, and because they can feel Apple's desperation. Have you tried to watch YouTube lately? Apple has four or five different ads on heavy rotation there, on their primary competitor's service. One is for the new iPhone, one for the pre-bent iPad... Apple clearly is concerned that they will lose their mystique if they can't maintain ever-rising sales figures.

      Given that people like new stuff, and that Apple fanboys (got it right that time, good work Google) will buy Apple kit whether it makes sense or not, I conclude that people just can't actually afford their new devices. Whether that's because they priced them too much higher, or because people have less money, I'm not sure. I'd think it's a bit of both.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    7. Re:No killer features. by guacamole · · Score: 1

      Cheap phones still often come with 1GB, and most mid range phones still have 2, while high end phones have 3 or 4.

      Your information is seriously out of date. My phone is a 2016 Honor 6X, and it came with 3GB of memory. It never felt like the phone was running out of memory. My Firefox with 15 open tabs usually stayed in memory and did not reload the tabs all the time. Its price was about 200 bucks. I consider that to be pretty cheap (no need to cheapen down to 60 bucks for device you use every day). The 2017-2018 Honor 7X was launched with 3GB of RAM and fixed 200 price, but its 4GB version cost only 250 bucks. Frankly, the memory has become so cheap that the 2019 updates of these phones will probably have more RAM. The popular Moto G series also has very similar prices and specs. The Nokias follow pretty much the same spec.

    8. Re:No killer features. by Solandri · · Score: 1

      In my experience, Apple,Tesla, and renewables fans are the groups most likely to down-mod a post simply because it casts their fandom in a bad light, regardless of it making a good point. Your post said the notch was an undesirable feature, which to an Apple fanboy is a punishable offense.

    9. Re:No killer features. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do understand that "my phone came with 3GB of memory" doesn't contradict to "cheap phones often come with 1GB", right?

    10. Re:No killer features. by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      You did read where he said his 3GB phone cost $200, right?

    11. Re:No killer features. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cheap phones still often come with 1GB, and most mid range phones still have 2, while high end phones have 3 or 4.

      Your information is seriously out of date. My phone is a 2016 Honor 6X, and it came with 3GB of memory. It never felt like the phone was running out of memory. My Firefox with 15 open tabs usually stayed in memory and did not reload the tabs all the time. Its price was about 200 bucks. I consider that to be pretty cheap (no need to cheapen down to 60 bucks for device you use every day). The 2017-2018 Honor 7X was launched with 3GB of RAM and fixed 200 price, but its 4GB version cost only 250 bucks. Frankly, the memory has become so cheap that the 2019 updates of these phones will probably have more RAM. The popular Moto G series also has very similar prices and specs. The Nokias follow pretty much the same spec.

      1. 15 tabs is nothing. Most people have 50-60 tabs open at any point in time.

      2. Ram isn't cheap, it's by far the most expensive component nowadays.

      3. 3GB ram is woefully inadequate, especially with android. You're looking at a 6GB ram requirement to reliably and quickly use android.

  12. 1.4 billion phones shipped - worst year EVER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If there's not a growth on the growth of last year's growth, then everyone will inevitably end up in poverty on the streets. That's the mentality of the nut-case fucktards at Apple.

    1. Re: 1.4 billion phones shipped - worst year EVER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's the capitalist mentality. They are such idiots that they believe infinite growth is poasible. The earth is a closed system, so for something to grow, something else has to shrink. Businessmen (not just apple's) live in a fantasy world, where people are so stupid as to keep buying trash. granted, most people *are* idiots (otherwise Apple would not be so rich) but maybe they are waking up?

    2. Re:1.4 billion phones shipped - worst year EVER by gravewax · · Score: 1

      IF you are in a shrinking market then your entire investment and research and development needs to be re-evaluated with the declining market in mind. It isn't a disaster but it does significant affect current and future investments and will force companies to shutter or drop lines as they look to address the new reality. plenty of companies operate on razor thin margins in this sector (yes not apple or Samsung).

  13. Captain Obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    most of the people already have a smartphone... what were they thinking, that we would be buying phones forever? Do they know the Malthusian growth model does not have physical sense?

    1. Re:Captain Obvious... by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 2

      Most of those people already own cars as well. Doesn't mean they won't need a new car one day. Sooner or later, smartphone sales will stabilize the same way cars did after WWII. Some people will buy a new smartphone every year, just because that's what they do. Others will use their Galaxy 5 until it finally dies before they buy a new one.

    2. Re:Captain Obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Note 4 is still doing well, working on the 5th year. Replaceable batteries and upgradeable SD storage are where it's at.

    3. Re:Captain Obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or they will go on ebay and buy a new in box S5 for a fraction of the price of a new phone. This is what i have done for the last couple phone purchases due to failures or damage to my Note4. None of the newer Notes offer any features I want and have removed features I want like an easily removable battery. NIB Note4's pop up on ebay now and then in the $150 range. I already have two of these in still sealed boxes for the future. The only weak point of the Note4 is its EMMC flash which seems to fail after a year and a half to two years.

      With LinageOS there is no problem with software updates/security updates for these older devices.

    4. Re:Captain Obvious... by prefec2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      When people only buy phones for replacement and do not increase the frequency of buying new phones nor do new customers appear on the scene, you have a stagnating market. Stagnating markets != growing market => economists get in panic, as growth is required for capitalism (in its present form). That is the concept the post you are answering to is refering to.

    5. Re: Captain Obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And my Samsung Galaxy S7 Note is still going ju

    6. Re:Captain Obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Original AC here.

      Sure they will, the same way we buy, say, one fridge and keep it for X years until it needs replacement/it is no longer fixable. But that requires a completely different mindset. We will all need something at some point during our lives, and that something will need replacement if it's not fixable. But it cannot be sustained that someone will need a product with a frequency that high.

      It's been a bubble. And it will burst, if it's not starting to do it already.

      @prefec2 I know that is the mindset of economists. And it is worrying, given that Malthus himself said that exponential growth will be eventually come to a stop.

  14. actually by renegade600 · · Score: 2

    actually it was the worse year for smartphone prices. if the prices were reasonable, they would have been no problems with shipments.

    1. Re:actually by FudRucker · · Score: 1

      yup, i am not going to get a bank loan just to buy a smartphone

      --
      Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
    2. Re:actually by mentil · · Score: 1

      Soon phones will be expensive enough you can put down your phone as collateral to get a mortgage.

      --
      Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
    3. Re: actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Put down your house as collateral to get a mortgage on your phone.

    4. Re:actually by houghi · · Score: 1

      You won't. I won't. Ik know plenty of people who do.

      --
      Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
  15. This is terrible news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I cant bear this slumping sales, I will schwartz myself.

  16. I agree by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    The crap they shipped was the worst ever.

    --
    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  17. They have reached market saturation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We all have one that is good enough. Would have to be really well priced or have a can't live without feature. Latest same old same old will not cut it.

  18. Jacks out for Harambe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Give us modern jackphones and we will upgrade. The fact that Apple resold the SE with jack for a while is a BIG FUCKING CLUE!

  19. Re:Why is this badGood for the customer by prefec2 · · Score: 1

    It is good for the customer when products are become more durable. However, capitalism requires growth (at least in its current incarnation). Shrinking markets are not compatible with this necessity. Therefore, economists get nervous when more and more markets start to shrink.

  20. smart phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The market is saturated. Most new phones have few if any new features that would drive someone to them other than being new. For the narcissistic market they buy new phones. For most new phones are just an overpriced device.

     

  21. My S5 works perfectly fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The upgrade cycle is not only too costly, but it's just a PITA to get everything moved to the new phone.

  22. Bad marketing decisions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple's 15% revenue decline is really due to the much higher prices Apple is now charging. Overall, the industry's decline is due to higher prices for flagship phones, saturation of markets, no compelling new "must-have" features, and the stupid, stupid, stupid notch fad created by Apple and copied by competitors.

  23. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I still want to live to see Apple's bankruptcy. It's an absurd a company selling technology with such high prices. And their phones are NOT better than many Android models that cost a THIRD of their price. Go Xiaomi and Oppo!

    1. Re: Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where would all the Cupertino hipsters find a job? No, we don't need the Apple culture spreading like a fungus. Pray for Apples success!!

  24. wonder why by sad_ · · Score: 2

    much like with desktop/laptops there isn't much need to upgrade even a mid-level smartphone these days.
    which features does it have to warant me to spend a lot of money for such a device?
    cpu power is adequate and even storage is not really an issue most of the time anymore.
    a better camera? the current offerings are probably more then good enough for most people.

    --
    On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
  25. Re:Why is this badGood for the customer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Capitalism does not require growth. Bullshit expectations of increased profit revenue requires growth.

    Look, I get by on X Euro every year. If I don't increase my profits every year...my god, think of the consequences to the capitalism!

    I don't know why everyone is brainwashed into thinking capitalism = unstopped growth and socialism = stalin.... a little of both with expectations of peace and happiness instead of growth and war would make a big difference towards unchecked carbon release.

    Of course that's what various hippies since Jesus have been saying, so who gives a shit. The smart phone market is drying up! Fire the lowest paid employees and drive the stock back up!

  26. 1.4 *billion*?? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1.4 billion?? Think about that as a percentage of the world's population. Holy carp.

    And that's vs. the whole world population. What fraction of that group is actually the market for what is essentially as luxury consumer product?

    This has to be one of the most amazingly successful luxury items of all time.

    What should astonish is that it was ever more successful.

    1. Re:1.4 *billion*?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except for some outliers, the hardware is significantly cheaper than the mobile contract that you need to make good use of the hardware. Smartphones are not luxury items.

    2. Re:1.4 *billion*?? by cordovaCon83 · · Score: 2

      I really don't think of my phone as a luxury item though. Maybe ten years ago when it was impractical to afford one outright and no one would have any pre-conceived notion that you probably have one. It was only ten years before that when owning a cellular phone of any kind was not a given. In a world where even McDonald's requires you to fill out the application online, devices like smartphones are more utility than luxury maybe not globally but at least in the US

    3. Re:1.4 *billion*?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smartphones are not luxury items.

      They're not luxurious or exotic in any way. But they've successfully managed to burn the thought into the mind of the global public.
      Many places in Asia you don't dare bother with any other conspicuous displays of wealth without an iPhone. In China a few years ago you could waste thousands on a designer wardrobe and if you had anything other than an iPhone, everyone would think your entire outfit was fake. I knew it was all coming to an end when the 7 looked exactly like the 6 though.

      Tim Cook must have really drank his own kool-aid to think that he could ship 3 physically identical status items. None of his consumers in china actually needed an iPhone at all so the richest people all bought iphone 7 and 8 and then where did their old 6 and 7 phones go? Into the hands of poor people. Across time and cultures; Poors go to heroic lengths to obtain flimsy status symbols thinking that they're shortcuts to actual status. I see iph6 under 200 dollars used. Average chinese is making 1100/mo so your average schmoe is a few paydays of rice and beans away from getting a new looking iphone.

      Now you have poor people walking around with iphones that look new, the whole craze was stupid to begin with so of course it won't stand up to even a small amount of damage to it's luxury branding. They tried to save it with the notchy 1000usd iph X but it was already too late.

    4. Re: 1.4 *billion*?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, they aren't a necessity. Really, it's quite simple to live without one.

      They are convenient, but if I were living in a mud hut they wouldn't be my top priority.

  27. Scamsung by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    My company calls em "Scamsung" phones. Ordered a bunch of them and within a week had several users with broken screens, not being able to take the battery out to reset the phone, etc. It was CUTE when they removed the bezel and needlessly made a paper thin glass back. We had a few users destroy the backs by trying to remove them as they used to be able to do. There is NO EXCUSE for making the back glass. Only a true fool would accept the fake arguments made by these jokers.

    1. Re:Scamsung by jdschulteis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It sure seems like the wonders of modern polymers and composites should allow creation of a phone that can charge wirelessly (unlike metal), survive modest falls (unlike glass), and still provide the "luxury" feel that will convince some people to pay $1000 for a $300 item.

    2. Re:Scamsung by ctilsie242 · · Score: 2

      The ironic thing that Samsung knows how to do this. They make tanks and fighter jets, for crying out loud. They know what they are doing when it comes to composites and materials. It wouldn't be hard for them to make a ceramic back that can take heavy abuse, but still give that top notch phone feel. Or, they can take a step back and go back to machined aluminum which has proven itself to be a decent phone material.

    3. Re:Scamsung by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still use a Sony Z3V which would be awesome if not for the battery being inside a stupid glass back. I removed mine to replace the battery about 2 years ago, and never could get it to seat right, then it broke due to not being seated correctly and not taking stress right. I replaced it with a same size cutout from a plastic costco sandwich container, which has been a great improvement. Also removed the useless wireless charging coil from it in favor of a heat sink. Now its easy to service and runs better.

    4. Re:Scamsung by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My phone charges wirelessly, and is made of a special glass that survives falls. I just wish it wasn't so slippery. It can vibrate itself off of a desk.

  28. Re: Why is this badGood for the customer by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Interesting

    However, capitalism requires growth

    People keep saying this as if it were self evident, but it's just nonsense. Capitalism tends to create and encourage growth, but there's nothing about it which requires growth.

  29. Cheap Phones FTW by coofercat · · Score: 2

    I just bought a Doogee phone for about £45. It's to replace my old Galaxy S5 mini which we were using as a "sonos remote control" in the kitchen. Sonos are upgrading their app and whatever version of android the S5 runs is too old for it. So my upgrade prompt was bloody Sonos :-(

    Anyway, the doogee runs Android 8.1, has a big bright screen, comes with a case and a screen protector and (so far) looks like a great replacement for the remote control. At this sort of price, it makes me slightly regret spending £10 buying a new battery for the samsung a few months back. My only slight gripe is that there's no 'desk dock' for it as the power socket is at the top.

    For those looking for an actual phone, it's got dual sim, removable battery, headphone jack and most of the features you would want, but it is quite heavy. However, when we need another 'remote control' somewhere else in the house, I'll be buying another. Now the S5 is freed up, I'm on the prowl for a different OS to stick on it...

    1. Re:Cheap Phones FTW by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Which model? Is the SD slot shared with Sim 2? Water resistant?

      You could reasonably set it to rotate upside down if you wanted to put it into a dock...

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  30. growth by e**(i+pi)-1 · · Score: 1

    it is ``planning on ales growth" which is unsustainable. Nothing can grow exponentially in the long term. Once the market is saturated there will be overall sales decay, inevitably, until a new big revolution comes in. We have been spoiled with progress and innovation for the last two decades. So, the improvements feel less impressive. Consolidation has something good: we don't need to buy new phones every year, the devices have become pretty reliable. I'm also still amazed and pleased how good the cameras in the phones have become (this was still one of the main reasons for me to upgrade to a newer phone).

  31. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The layer that most people access the internet at is patchable. Also the egress points are the cell network, not the individual phones. Yes, it could cause wifi cellphone connections to go away. That's it.

  32. No subsidy and no value by Drethon · · Score: 1

    If my galaxy s5 had not gone blank screen on me, I would not have bought a Moto Z. Sure the Moto Z has a bit better screen but is missing key features like a replaceable batter but is a downgrade to me (it was also the cheapest smartphone I could find by enough to compensate for a couple of battery replacements). So there just isn't anything in a new phone I've found that is a benefit over the old galaxy s5, much less the Moto Z (unless a good new phone comes out with replaceable battery when the Moto Z battery starts declining).

    When Verizon forced the smartphone subsidy into the monthly cost I upgraded every couple years because it didn't make sense not to. If they had not dropped that I would have switched to a lower priced mobile service and buy my own phone. Since they did drop me subsidizing new phones, I just don't buy one if I don't have to as it isn't worth it.

    1. Re:No subsidy and no value by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Doesn't the Moto Z support mods? I have a 2 year old Moto Z Play that supports mods. The battery is going so I paid $50 for a new Moto battery mod. I charge it every night and attach it to the phone every morning. That provides me with a day's worth of juice. When this battery pack dies, I can buy another $50 battery pack. Eventually, I'll buy a new phone, but the battery pack mods are helping me delay this purchase.

      --
      My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
    2. Re:No subsidy and no value by Drethon · · Score: 1

      Doesn't the Moto Z support mods? I have a 2 year old Moto Z Play that supports mods. The battery is going so I paid $50 for a new Moto battery mod. I charge it every night and attach it to the phone every morning. That provides me with a day's worth of juice. When this battery pack dies, I can buy another $50 battery pack. Eventually, I'll buy a new phone, but the battery pack mods are helping me delay this purchase.

      Hmm, it does support mods, I had not realized that included battery packs, rather than just external speakers and other useless (to me) stuff. Will need to look at when the battery winds down. Thanks for the info!

    3. Re:No subsidy and no value by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      If you get a battery mod, look for one that can be charged via USB-C without being connected to the phone. This way, you can be charging the battery mod even if you are using the phone away from the charger.

      --
      My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
  33. Re: Why is this badGood for the customer by Kokuyo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Shareholders require growth. That's about it. Now how intrinsically linked are stock exchanges and capitalism?

  34. well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    maybe they will pull their heads in and sell something consumers want

    I won't pay more than $400 for a phone
    I need root access without having to risk bricking the device
    The battery must be easily replaceable
    It must have a standard audio jack

    Is this so hard?

    1. Re:well duh by smi.james.th · · Score: 1

      I need root access without having to risk bricking the device

      The problem with this is that some apps (e.g. banking ones) refuse to install on rooted devices. Some media streaming ones as well AFAIK. So I don't see rooting as a sharp driving factor.

      --
      One thing I know, and that is that I am ignorant...
    2. Re:well duh by jdschulteis · · Score: 1

      maybe they will pull their heads in and sell something consumers want

      I won't pay more than $400 for a phone
      I need root access without having to risk bricking the device
      The battery must be easily replaceable
      It must have a standard audio jack

      Is this so hard?

      I don't want a notch.
      I want the phone to be thick enough to hold a battery that will last longer.
      The extra thickness and making the sides less slick will make it less likely to slip out of my hand.
      The reduced chance of dropping the phone means they can go back to making the glass more scratch resistant.
      They could make the front glass easier to replace if it does crack.
      The one thing I can compromise on is a memory card slot; if they build in a decent amount (minimum 128GB) of storage without jacking the price (a name-brand 128 GB micro SD card is only $25), I can do without the slot.

    3. Re:well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get it. I have similar requirements. I don't listen to music or take pictures. I do run a business and need a reliable communications device. It seems that every smartphone maker copies what Apple does. Which sucks because I pretty much want the exact opposite of an iPhone: thicker, replaceable battery, SD card, no notch, and I don't care one iota about the aesthetics of it.

      Hopefully the cancer that is Apple will eventually subside.

    4. Re:well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would set the price point for that at sub $100. Look at the raspberry pi.

  35. Refuse to replace the batteries by iampiti · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Tim Cook said it himself: Allowing customers to replace the batteries was part of the problem. The obvious solution is for Apple to refuse to replace them while making new phones even harder to open./s
    Seriously, this crap of making electronics purposefully hard to repair is a cancer. They should be built to be easily repairable and to last. Warranties somewhat take care of the latter but there's no law to promote the former. It's not only a matter of money but also of e-waste

    1. Re:Refuse to replace the batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, things have gotten really bad.

      The problem with this (and a lot of contemporary society) is that people just don't care enough to do anything/they don't understand there are options other than buying(renting) the newest thing, and that stuff 'just breaks' after a year and needs to be replaced by a new thing

    2. Re:Refuse to replace the batteries by tquasar · · Score: 1

      I thought of e-waste too. The number of places willing to accept the stuff is falling and the valuable stuff like precious metals costs too much to recover. Also, see our plastic oceans.

  36. Re: Why is this badGood for the customer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only in modern time. What share holders should be caring about is the Return of Investment, e.g. how much money do they get back at the end of the year for every dollar invested. Increased stock price is one way, dividents payed out is another. Only one of the two requires growth..

  37. Headphone jack and camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would buy a new phone with a great camera if it came with a headphone jack, but it seems the industry doesn't care what I want at this point in time.

    I can wait. Sooner or later some bright executive will realize giving people what they want works in a saturated market.

  38. Is a stupid business model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When people had landlines, they would use the same phone for decades.

    Why are cellphones supposed to be replaced every year for ridiculously high prices?

    It's very stupid for companies to think that people are going to do that.

  39. Excellent news for consumers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eventually you're going to reach a level of saturation, and level of incremental increase that slows everything down.

    This is good because it will force companies to evolve or die, that's how the system is supposed to work.

  40. Carrier Supplements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Verizon stopped offering the "New Every Two" deal, where you could get a new phone every two years for pennies on the dollar. Now you have to pay full price up front or make monthly payments on full price phones. This is the obvious side effect.

  41. Re:Why is this badGood for the customer by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Capitalism not only requires growth, it requires exponential growth.

    Investors, i.e. capitalists, expect a return on their investment, and they expect that return to be some percentage of that investment. A percentage return on investment implies exponential growth. Would you invest in something where you expected to get your principle back and nothing else?

    You can maybe imagine some form of "capitalism" where a group of leaders, chosen by some other means than how much money they have, decide how to allocate resources.

  42. Why is that bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's an odd way to characterize it. Why not just tell it straight: "In 2018, less perfectly good phones were dumped into overflowing landfills than in 2017, and fewer people wasted money on unnecessary new phones. In other news, the floating plastic island in the Pacific is still growing..."

  43. Bullshit by tsa · · Score: 1

    I remember 1977. No smartphone shipments whatsoever. None.

    --

    -- Cheers!

  44. Re: by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    This is how Android's problematic security updates will become a real problem. People will now keep old unpatched Android devices for longer, so all it will take is one golden exploit (think of Stagefright but self-propagating like MS Blaster of old) to bring down the Android ecosystem. Because most devices in the ecosystem are unpatchable.

    Perfect reason for them all to go buy new ones when some mysterious virus out of nowhere (definitely not made by google) sweeps through and bricks everything more than x software versions ago.

    --
    Wanna buy a shirt?
    https://www.redbubble.com/people/stealthfinger/shop?asc=u
  45. Re: Why is this badGood for the customer by houghi · · Score: 1

    When you see how oposed the stockholders are against competition, I would say they are not much linked at all.

    --
    Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
  46. Re: Why is this badGood for the customer by c6gunner · · Score: 2

    Exactly this. Only the shareholders who buy stocks specifically looking for growth are demanding growth. More conservative investors tend to buy stocks which have a strong history of paying out regular, predictable dividends.

    In the absence of growth companies would just need to focus more on paying dividends, and investors would have to tame their get-rich-quick ambitions. The market would still work fine.

  47. Re:Why is this badGood for the customer by larryjoe · · Score: 1

    Capitalism does not require growth. Bullshit expectations of increased profit revenue requires growth.

    This is very true. Unfortunately, stock-based corporations that reward executives based on short-term stock price appreciation require growth at all costs. The real problem is that growth is defined in terms of short-term metrics that do not value long-term company strength, employee well-being, or societal welfare. Capitalism does not mandate this. For example, small-business owners are often driven by different motivations.

  48. Sickening Amount of Waste by Ormy · · Score: 1

    Of those 1.4 billion smartphones sold in 2014, how many are still in use (being kept in a drawer as a backup counts as 'use') by the original owner, how many are being used by a second or third owner, and how many are in the landfill? I suspect a large majority are in a landfill. Huge amounts of advanced computing power, precious metals, lithium batteries etc etc all disposed of as 'waste' every year, I'm certainly no environmental nut (I will cling onto my internal combustion engine till I die) but I find it sickening.

    Smartphones should be made to last at least 3-5 years (a new battery is allowed, and all phones must have user replaceable batteries), old phones must be refurbished or responsibly recycled by the manufacturer. All phones must have an external microSD slot (dual sim where the 2nd sim slot doubles as a microSD slot is fine) so people aren't forced to upgrade due to lack of memory. Of course it will never happen, there's too much money to be made convincing people they need to upgrade their phone EVERY year.

  49. Re:Why is this badGood for the customer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the fucking fuck? "Jew greed"? Are you a 12 year old from 1950?

  50. No Diversty or Advances - Designed for Marking Ppl by BrendaEM · · Score: 1

    Let me guess. You are designing a brand new candy-bar cellphone--right?

    For years, I've wanted a new cellphone with a physical keyboard. I hate Apple's closedness, and Android's UI sloppiness. I like being able to plug a USB drive into my phone. Curved screens are impractical. Replaceable MicroSDs and removable batteries rock my cellphone word. We don't need 5 crappy cameras--only one good one. Battery life rules the business world.

    --
    https://www.youtube.com/c/BrendaEM
  51. Smartphone is the new PC by guacamole · · Score: 2

    Remember how the PC market started stalling at about the time of introduction of Windows Vista a decade ago, and then went into a full decline by 2012? People who don't play 3D games started to keep their PCs for 6-7 years because PC with Core 2 Duo was enough for checking mail, social networks, or browsing the web. The smartphones have reached the same plateau.

    I recall how horrible were the early iPhones. They reminded me the PCs of the 1990s. Despite all the innovations, there was no denying that say iPhone 3G or iPhone 4S were ridiculously and painfully slow for things like web browsing. Watching video or reading the ebook on 3-inch something display was terrible. But the technology has moved on, and I myself use a 2016 Honor 6X phone which cost me 200 bucks (when it was new). It's has a big bright screen, good camera, the security patch level from Dec 2018, battery to last at least a day and runs all apps that I actually use flawlessly. Sometimes I entertain the idea of getting a 2019 phone, but at the same time I just wonder, don't fix what's not broken.

  52. MAYBE people are wising up! by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    That the last few versions of phones have been nothing more than soaking consumers. Slim, sexy, colorful & stylish just ain't cutting it anymore, given what they are charging. When you can buy a GOOD phone for 500 bucks, why would you spend 1000-1300 dollars on one just to get an apple/samsung logo?

  53. Only reason to upgrade... the network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only reason to upgrade... the network. Until we get a true LTE 5 implementation with access to a new level of bandwidth/experience on the phone there isn't a reason to upgrade. Carriers have a long way to go to get their networks upgraded and ready for consumers even after the hardware is available.

  54. Smartphones are finally "Good Enough" by hedge00 · · Score: 1

    My smartphone can make phone calls, video calls, read e-mail, play music, interface with other devices with bluetooth, act as a GPS navigation system, browse websites, and stream videos on a beautiful high resolution screen—all while holding enough charge to last all day. And even the cheapest models on the market can do all these things, since Moore's Law is no longer rendering old phones quickly obsolete. There is finally value in repairing your existing phone, and in buying used phones.

  55. Everyone must have a smartphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But we don't need to be any more excited about them than microwaves, washing machines, and refrigerators.

    You can claim you don't need a smartphone, and while that's technically true I'll share a similar experience. My aunt and uncle's house in downtown Muskegon didn't get a bathroom until the 1960's. Before that it only had an outhouse. There was internal plumbing to the kitchen, but that was about it.

  56. Re: Why is this badGood for the customer by Solandri · · Score: 2

    Shareholders require profits, not growth. Growth is desirable because it's usually coupled with bigger profits, but is not necessary. In the absence of growth, profits can come from increased economic efficiency alone.

    e.g. I own a dairy farm, you own a chicken farm. I have a refrigerator full of milk and would like something to eat. You have a refrigerator full of eggs and would like something to drink. The efficiency of our economics is improved if I trade some of my milk for some of your eggs. That is, eggs are more valuable to me than milk; milk is more valuable to you than eggs.

    So when we trade milk for eggs, both of us come out winners (we both profit from the transaction). I give up undesired milk to gain desired eggs. You give up undesired eggs to gain desired milk. This is what they mean when they say economics is not a zero-sum game. The physical goods and services may be zero sum, but their value is positive sum (because the value to each participant is different). In other words, economics is not just about making stuff; it's also about distributing that stuff for maximum benefit. You and I can continue our milk and egg trade arrangement in perpetuity. It will continue to benefit us (profit us) even though there's no growth, and even if there's no change.

  57. No! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The new frontier is multiple phones per customer. Phones as fashion item. Wearing black? You must have a black phone! Wearing chartreuse? That phone had better match in color, hue and intensity! Wearing crinoline? Why not a crinoline phone (jk)?

  58. Actually... by AndrewBoos · · Score: 1

    I believe 1969 had 0 smartphone shipments and would qualify for "Worst Year Ever"

  59. They can't HANDLE the TRUTH! by racerex · · Score: 1

    The fact that everybody and their brother already has at least one phone that functions perfectly fine is the biggest reason why. The fact that they added some silly "feature" to an app, or a new emoji, or whatever doesn't do much for the average person. The world is over-saturated with phones! The technology in them for the past few generations has been perfectly adequate to do what 98% of people use them for too - browse websites, post to social media, text... and make the occasional phone call. We all knew this day would come... quit trying to blame trade with China and all kinds of other factors why sales are dropping. People are not as stupid sheep-like as you manufacturers seem to think they are!

  60. 5G by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    New radios will make me upgrade if they give me better range/signal.

    --
    Hi! I make Firefox Plug-ins. Check 'em out @ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-mp3-podcaster/
    1. Re: 5G by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

      I upgraded to get band 12, and then a again for 70 (or whatever the new one is).

      Major improvement with TMobile in some areas.

      --
      Wow, sent an e-mail as suggested when clicking on "use classic" banner, and got a fast response that addressed my msg
  61. Back to the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's almost like people don't like paying $1,000 for device that doesn't do what they want and blocks them from installing software that does do what they want.

    Just waiting for someone to take the market with a rootable phablet having a removable battery, headphone jack, and SD card slot.

  62. Obligatory Monte Python by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We've already got one!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea8GyscSFaQ

  63. Re:Why is this badGood for the customer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Capitalism does not require growth.

    Bullshit. Show me an investor that's willing to invest in a product with no return. Are you expecting capitalism is just a system where people hedge against inflation?

  64. Re:Why is this badGood for the customer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can maybe imagine some form of "capitalism" where a group of leaders, chosen by some other means than how much money they have, decide how to allocate resources.

    The human species has tried a couple of those systems from time to time. The funny thing is that those systems have always failed spectacularly. Sooner or later the "leaders" figure out that they can manipulate the system to the benefit of themselves and their cronies, except without any economic forces working against them. Unlike a capitalist system, these systems general feature a lack of freedom and strong gun control to prevent dissent and rebellion. Watch the process at work in the UK where they're working hard to nullify the popular vote for Brexit and police are kicking down doors of people for Twitter posts. Watch it in France as police shoot protesters and they have no guns to shoot back with. Watch it in Venezuela as people starve and the "leaders" refuse to acknowledge democratic defeat. Let's not repeat the mistakes of the world and learn from them instead.

  65. Re: Why is this badGood for the customer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shareholders require growth.

    No, they don't. They *like* growth, but they're also quite happy to invest in an industry with flat or declining sales, so long as it has a decent profit margin.

    Take, for example, desktop PC sales. They're declining - but there's still a thriving industry built around developing new hardware, investing capital in research, development & manufacturing, etc.

    In general, capitalism is a way of efficiently allocating resources (by using the self-interest of market participants to motivate them). A consequence of this is that resources are allocated preferentially towards growth areas - of course, because growth areas need more resources - but it allocates an appropriate amount of resources to other areas, too.

  66. Re: Why is this badGood for the customer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the absence of growth companies would just need to focus more on paying dividends

    LOL. How are companies going to pay dividends without growth?

  67. Re:Why is this badGood for the customer by Cederic · · Score: 1

    It's possible to deliver a strong positive return (above and beyond any inflation) without growth, which makes your entire point pointless.

  68. Who would have thought by Trogre · · Score: 1

    Maybe it's because everyone who wants one now has one?

    It's almost like the adoption phase is now over.

    --
    "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
  69. Ever!? by turbidostato · · Score: 1

    Even worse than the Great Mobile Drought from 1536!?

  70. Re: Why is this badGood for the customer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No growth = no investment (because finance for it would have to be taken directly from current profits, which shareholders won't allow).

    No investment = stagnation and failure.

  71. 2018 was the worst year ever? by Jason1729 · · Score: 1

    So 2018 was a worse year for smartphone shipments than 1918?

    Remember when being a journalist required a functioning brain? It has been quite a while. 1.4 billion smartphones shipped would make 2018 the second best year ever for smartphone shipments, not the worst. 2018 was, however, the worst year ever for quality of journalism. With gems like this story, 2019 is already set to top it though.

  72. Dumbass "features" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    glorious phone even today if it had a fingerprint reader.

    The dumb shit people decide is "important" is the reason why we can't have nice things. A fingerprint reader is not "needed" by anyone. Stop being a lazy fuck and type/swype your code in. Adding in every stupid little gadget to an already small platform is why we get bloated and barely useful devices that eat power like a fat bastard at a chinese buffet.

  73. 5g and high-res GPS by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

    These two features might help spur sales of another generation of smartphones. Until then, why bother?

  74. What with the who now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    FaceID - "Some people have trouble with it"? Some of us see it as the spookiest crazy invasive shit! You think we don't scan our fingerprints because we're lazy? Wow!

    Why does anyone accept this invasive biometrics garbage?

    1. Re:What with the who now? by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      If you see it as spooky invasive shit, it's because you have no idea what's actually happening. FaceID in particular doesn't take a picture of you and doesn't save any images. It projects a bunch of dots onto your face and creates an abstract mathematical representation of it, which is then stored in a secure cryptographic vault. There's no way to get that information back out of the vault, all you can do is create a new mathematical abstraction and ask if the two are sufficiently similar that the phone should be unlocked. The vault only says 'yes' or 'no'.

      Also, thunder isn't supernatural beings fighting in the sky, or a giant dragon or whatever. Stop being afraid of things because you don't understand them, just go out and do the minimal amount of research it takes to understand the mechanism.

      (Other face identification systems on Android phones are markedly less secure; they ARE based on images, which is why they're so easily fooled.)

  75. Re:Why is this badGood for the customer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A square root is also exponential, as are many other curves including a line.

  76. Re: Why is this badGood for the customer by c6gunner · · Score: 1

    From profits.

    Maybe you need to look up what dividends are?

  77. Re:Why is this badGood for the customer by bluegutang · · Score: 1

    Loaning with interest does not require growth. Even in an economy of constant size, people can want to borrow money, and they return it with interest to compensate for the risk of default.

    Investing is no different from loaning with interest. You give the borrower money, they promise to return it with a bit more added. This can be beneficial for both sides (the money-rich person has a "competitive advantage" in providing money, the money-poor person has a "competitive advantage" in providing labor), so they both agree to it. This year person A borrows money, next year person B borrows money in the same circumstances. Investment has occurred, but the economy has not grown.

  78. Re:Why is this badGood for the customer by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

    There are two possibilities in your scenario: 1) inflation is as great as the interest, so the interest is essentially imaginary and 2) the borrower makes the irrational decision to give some of his wealth to the lender, for no reason.

    Investment with a (real) percentage return means that wealth is growing exponentially, or somebody's getting a raw deal.

    If you prefer game theory, investment is a positive sum game, and positive sum means there's more when you're done than when you start. In other words, growth.

  79. Re:Why is this badGood for the customer by bluegutang · · Score: 1

    Nope.

    Let's say the borrower's crop was eaten by rats this year. So he borrows seed to plant, and returns the seed with interest after the harvest.

    Let's say the exact same scenario repeats itself year after year.

    The actions, investments, and profits of each individual are identical in each year, so the economy does not grow.