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Tim Cook To Investors: Apple is Working on Future Products That Will 'Blow You Away' (macrumors.com)

Speaking to investors on Friday, Apple CEO Tim Cook said he has "never been more optimistic" about where the company is today and where it's heading. He said the company is "planting seeds" and "rolling the dice" on future products that will just "blow you away." A story adds: Cook went on to say that Apple's eventual goal is to be able reduce the price of the 2018 Retina MacBook Air, which currently starts at $1,200. In reference to the Apple Watch and the AirPods, Cook said there's a "long, great roadmap" of "fantastic" products on the horizon. [...] On the topic of services, Cook said Apple is well on its way towards meeting the goal it set in 2016, which was to double its $25 billion revenue by 2020.

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  1. Really? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He's been saying basically the same thing for years: "We have amazing products in the pipeline".

    But all I see is more expensive laptops with unreliable keyboards and a problematic T2 chip.
    Hell, when they released the 2018 MacBook Air, they kept the 2017 model, which is really the 2015 model, at the same fucking price it has been for years.

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    1. Re: Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not this time.

      Now introducing the Apple iGun. 9 millimeters of action will blow you away! Each bullet features custom engraved emojis! Don't like how that shit head is driving? Tell him how you really feel with a full mag of poop emoji bullets!

    2. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The only thing that will "blow you away" will be the insanely high prices!

    3. Re:Really? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2, Funny

      Courage!

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    4. Re:Really? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      A bigger notch. 8K iMac.

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    5. Re:Really? by dryeo · · Score: 4, Funny

      What I heard was a futuristic way of dialing a number. A circle area with numbers that you touch and and drag in a circle. The further you drag, the higher the number that is entered. It'll also have feedback in the form of clicks, just go a little way, one click, a bit further, 2 clicks, right up to 10 clicks, which will bravely represent zero.
      Users will eat it up as it's modern compared to the old fashioned square number pad.

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    6. Re:Really? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1, Funny

      I guess it took them 10 years to perfect The Wheel...

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    7. Re:Really? by Maven0 · · Score: 1

      The next model will have the biggest notch. It will go all the way across to hide the cameras into the bezel.

    8. Re:Really? by alaskana98 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That 'courage' line from Apple still makes me shake my head today.

      Hey Apple, let me give you an example of courage. 'Courage' is huddling on a barge, wet, cold, trembling, sick to your stomach with fear, knowing that you are about to land on a beach filled to the brim with blood thirsty Nazis ready to pump a barrage of hot lead into your body, knowing that your chances of survival are about 40% or less and still somehow finding the will to off that boat and charge the beach.

      Sorry, I digress. I guess it is a pretty courageous thing to do to remove a analog headphone jack on an iPhone.

    9. Re:Really? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      A bigger notch. 8K iMac.

      Picture this... an 8K iMac WITH A NOTCH.

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    10. Re:Really? by jools33 · · Score: 1

      its the new macbook laptop that doesn't require any dongles, thats the blow away product.

    11. Re: Really? by dbialac · · Score: 1

      I hear they're working on a new charging device for Airpods. It hooks up to the airpod while you're using them and has a cord that hooks up to the lightning adapter. Very innovative!

    12. Re:Really? by tsa · · Score: 1

      What I find unbelievable is that Apple needs investors. They have the yearly budget of a small country in their pockets.

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    13. Re:Really? by tsa · · Score: 1

      I saw a film of that in a museum. It was hell. War is terrible. Those people all were heroes.

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  2. Let me guess by quonset · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple will make a PC (not laptop) which has hardware which isn't five years old, which the user is able to swap out parts as needed, AND doesn't cost a kidney to buy.

    That would be mind blowing.

    1. Re:Let me guess by Moof123 · · Score: 1

      +1. You can't get the desktop hardware you actually want, and the Apple tax on the outdated mid to low end stuff you have to settle for is just insulting.

    2. Re:Let me guess by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Please keep your fantasies at least somewhat close to reality.

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    3. Re:Let me guess by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      They have such a PC already, I believe it is called a Mac Pro.

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    4. Re:Let me guess by Spamalope · · Score: 1

      New Apple laptop and desktop products will be DRM locked to the Apple app store to en$ure you have the full APPle price experience. $25 billion in revenue doesn't just happen you know.

  3. So I suppose once... by rnturn · · Score: 1

    He said the company is "planting seeds" and "rolling the dice" on future products that will just "blow you away."

    ... people started lining up outside Apple stores with tents and sleeping bags to be sure they're the first to be "blown away"?

    Hey... I thought it was Microsoft working with the military that was working on products that will blow us away.

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    1. Re:So I suppose once... by bob4u2c · · Score: 1

      future products that will just "blow you away."

      I was thinking quite the same, more products that turn out to be "bombs" (double entendre intentional).

    2. Re:So I suppose once... by mentil · · Score: 1

      Apple Rocket Launcher confirmed. They had to one-up the Boring Company Not-A-Flamethrower.

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    3. Re:So I suppose once... by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      That's easy. Just talk to islamists about them in appropriate tone.

    4. Re:So I suppose once... by bob4u2c · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that then be the: i-Not-A-Rocket-Launcher?

      If so, I have two of those in the basement, junk as far as I'm concerned. They only took out a small mailbox, and the re-fill cartridge was 5 times the cost of the whole unit.

  4. "reduce the price" by Sebby · · Score: 1

    Tim Cook: "We'll reduce the price of the MacBook Air by a certain percentage"

    Investors: "What percentage?"

    Tim Cook: "Zero"

    Investors: ......

    Tim Cook: "What? Zero is a percent!"

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  5. blow us away? by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

    iFan

  6. 'Blow You Away' priceing!!!!!!!!!! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    'Blow You Away' priceing!!!!!!!!!!

    Mac pro 2020 DUAL CPU DUAL GPU 4TB SSD BASE only $9999

    1. Re: 'Blow You Away' priceing!!!!!!!!!! by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      I think the Lisa was ten grand when it came out.

  7. MFGA! by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    He's been saying basically the same thing for years: "We have amazing products in the pipeline".

    "Really terrific products coming, believe me! Everyone will love 'em; even the Jetsons will be stunned how futuristic they are. Boy Elroy is still floored from the greatness of the prototypes. Bing bing, bong bong, Wham! bigly shocked. I and I alone can invent the future, and #MakeFutureGreatAgain!"

    (sorry, couldn't resist)

    1. Re:MFGA! by tsa · · Score: 1

      We have products, we have the best products.

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  8. Sounds a bit desperate by misnohmer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The only reason to make a statement like this, which effectively boils down to "Apple's value is going increase, but you have to take it on pure faith because I just can't give you any concrete reasons why", is if you're desperately trying to uphold investor confidence in light of Apple's image fading as a premium technology leader. No doubt this was attempt was fueled by all the announcements from the rest of the industry about the foldable devices, which look so much "cooler and leading edge" than Apple products.

    1. Re:Sounds a bit desperate by yodleboy · · Score: 1

      Apple probably has a foldable in the pipeline. The problem is, they will either release it too soon to try and ride the wave while dealing with people 'unfolding it wrong', or they will try to make it perfect and miss the boat. Tim Cook seems to be content to talk about innovation while watching the competition do the actual innovation.

    2. Re: Sounds a bit desperate by misnohmer · · Score: 1

      He doesn't sound so content, if he is resorting to empty platitudes, rather than concrete data, to prop up investor confidence.

      There is money to be made in the "me too" products, but that is not the same business model Steve Jobs used.

    3. Re:Sounds a bit desperate by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      They were putting a lot of effort into automotive, but it failed. No iCar or self driving tech, and Android is close to being entrenched in automotive infotainment systems.

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    4. Re:Sounds a bit desperate by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Every CEO says this fluff at regular intervals, doesn't matter if the arrows are going up, down or sideways they always speak up the future at least in public. The only difference is that Apple is clickbait-worthy enough that someone will write an article about it. Plus I mean as CEO he's the one picking the direction R&D is going, you're basically asking him to write his own performance review. But I also think the expectation that Apple is supposed to do something new and revolutionary will let them do gambles other companies might not have, I don't think stuff like "Lets do a Galaxy Watch" would happen at Samsung.

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    5. Re:Sounds a bit desperate by danomac · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The foldable devices aren't ready yet for Apple to steal and put the Apple logo on.

      Then they'll act like they invented it like they always do.

    6. Re: Sounds a bit desperate by snadrus · · Score: 1

      Apple was frequently a late-mover:

      The iPods with flash like Nano were ripoffs of existing MP3 players.
      Wireless Charging
      Fingerprint sensor
      High-end mobile screen resolutions after Retina.
      Tablet Stylus

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  9. In other words by Snotnose · · Score: 2

    I have smoke and I'm blind as a bat, please fart so I know where to blow it.

  10. Uh oh by sacrilicious · · Score: 1

    "planting seeds" and "rolling the dice" on future products that will just "blow you away."

    Sure hope we don't see them mustering more "courage", next thing you know they'll be removing the keyboard and telling us to type with our credit cards.

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  11. Blow you away? by Luckyo · · Score: 1

    So far, batteries only catch fire. I guess they have more... interesting chemistry in the works.

  12. Announcing the iR-15 by MikeRT · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The only slightly non-standard .223/5.56 rifle that fires proprietary ammo so disproportionately expensive you'd think it was designed by the same people who designed the main gun on the new LCS vessels.

  13. After all these years apple still does not get it by PerZon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Technology for the masses not the classes

  14. Wait... what happened to the famous pipeline? by sandbagger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They've killed off much of the ecosystem of products -- time capsules, excellent routers and repeaters, monitors -- and the entire line computer like is now made of laptop parts, they killed off their support for education, and their pro applications and computers. Could it be that the famous pipeline of products they promised after Jobs's death was smoke and mirrors? For shame!

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    1. Re: Wait... what happened to the famous pipeline? by lokedhs · · Score: 1

      That's such an odd thing. What possible use is there for a rack-mounted Mac?

    2. Re: Wait... what happened to the famous pipeline? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Some universities ran supercomputers build out of rack mounted Macs ...

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    3. Re: Wait... what happened to the famous pipeline? by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      1. Sound booths in performance venues where there is already a rack mount for amplifiers.
      2. Home theater installations (though to be fair that might be more Apple TV territory).
      3. OSX Server was pretty damn simple to set up in its heydey; it was great for centralized management of Macs.
      4. Computing clusters.
      5. Some media production houses have custom desks that can fit a 2U rackmount computer in them (or at least, they did)
      6. Because it's definitely more serviceable than the current soldered/glued/fused together options.
      7. Because some people might prefer it for literally no reason other than that they prefer it.

      Ultimately, I don't think the GP is arguing that it would be the Mac's dominant form factor. However, the lack of one shows hubris which assumes that people are willing to do workarounds in order to keep a Mac in an environment. Now, to be fair, that's at least partially deserved...but a nontrivial part of the enmity comes from the professional community who relied heavily on Macs during the 90s and 2000s when they were fit for purpose...and are quickly finding out that Tim is increasingly relegating Macs to "iOS App Compiling Devices" at the expense of basically everything else.

    4. Re: Wait... what happened to the famous pipeline? by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Couldn't have looked that hard.

      Virginia Tech in 2004 upgraded their PowerMac G5s to Xserve G5s .
      https://vtnews.vt.edu/articles...

      Feb 01, 2005 - University of Illinois preps 640-node Apple Xserve G5 cluster
      https://appleinsider.com/artic...

  15. Getting into the defense contracting business, eh? by ToTheStars · · Score: 1

    Or perhaps iHVAC? "Our air conditioners really blow!"

  16. You have it all wrong! Announcing iRobot by HannethCom · · Score: 1

    He didn't mean that the technology would impress you. He meant it will blow you away, literally!
    Announcing the iRobot. This is not for home use. They have repurposed their self-driving car unit to make a military robot with iGuns that will blow away enemies.

    Special discounts will be given for companies that want to purchase them for deployment in the following cities:
    Mountain View, CA
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Atlanta, GA
    Austin, TX
    Boulder, CO
    Cambridge, MA
    Chicago, IL
    Irvine, CA
    New York, NY
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Reston, VA
    San Francisco, CA
    Seattle, WA
    Washington, DC

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  17. Is this another "Funding secured"? by Gabest · · Score: 1

    Does he have to announce it on twitter like Elon?

  18. They have had successes, and more to come by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They don't have a new amazing thing every year.

    But the Apple Watch has turned out to be quite a hit.

    The AirPods, possibly even a bigger hit.

    The iMac Pro was a great update to the Mac, as was the new Mac mini...

    It's really easy to claim someone is not successful, if you simply define away anything they were successful at.

    I agree that some of what he is saying is hype... but I also think, some is probably not. They have a lot of money and a lot of long term R&D at work.

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    1. Re:They have had successes, and more to come by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      People joke about the "distortion field", but it seems to me that there's an even stronger one in reverse. Some people are incapable of seeing anything Apple does as anything but a failure. Take the Apple Watch for instance. Not only did Apple go from zero to the biggest watchmaker in the world in under two years, but they now outsell the entire Swiss watchmaking industry combined. And yet there are hordes of people who consider it prime evidence of how badly Apple are failing. You know, that Apple that profits $5m dollars every hour.

    2. Re:They have had successes, and more to come by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >>It's really easy to claim someone is not successful, if you simply define away anything they were successful at.

      And it is easy to be successful if you claim everything they do is a success.

      FInancially, of course Apple is fine. What you described were iterative improvements on their own (iMac Pro, Mac mini) or other people's (Watch, AirPods) products. That isn't to say these improvements aren't good. But they aren't very innovative, either.

      I share the sentiment of an earlier commenter that their laptops are falling behind, would love to see that addressed as I still prefer MacOS.

    3. Re:They have had successes, and more to come by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      None of that has "blown you away."

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    4. Re:They have had successes, and more to come by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not only did Apple go from zero to the biggest watchmaker in the world in under two years, but they now outsell the entire Swiss watchmaking industry combined.

      You should realize that the Swiss watchmaking industry is not very big. The watch industry is not very big, having been destroyed by the cell phone industry. It's an impressive sounding fact, but a number would give more concreteness and clarity.

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    5. Re:They have had successes, and more to come by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      You should realize that the Swiss watchmaking industry is not very big. The watch industry is not very big, having been destroyed by the cell phone industry. It's an impressive sounding fact, but a number would give more concreteness and clarity.

      The Swiss watchmaking industry is actually quite big. People imagine most of the Swiss watches are made with people putting gears in by hand in some cabin, but the low and middle end Omegas and Rolexes and of course Swatch are all mass produced products on automated production lines.

      Of course, the bigger news about the Apple Watch would be that Apple has turned what was a joke category of product (smart watches) into something respectable.

    6. Re:They have had successes, and more to come by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      The Swiss watchmaking industry is actually quite big.

      How big?

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    7. Re:They have had successes, and more to come by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      None of that has "blown you away."

      It blew my wallet away.

  19. Was Any Really Disappointed Last Time? by zenasprime · · Score: 1

    WHen they blew everyone away with MacOS Themes... I mean Dark Mode?

  20. Since he promised by SPopulisQR · · Score: 1

    Truth is that Apple was a true pioneer and serious contributor in automating many processes that were analog or manual. Famous Apple software products are true marvels. Now if trend is about to continue and T.Cook is promising some automated blow marvel. What could that be? Auto blow?

  21. Away? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    As much as they charge, they should just work on a product that will blow me.

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    1. Re:Away? by sheramil · · Score: 1

      I was thinking it's going to be either a vacuum cleaner or an onahole. Possibly a combination of the two.

  22. Re: I hope they pull it off by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

    They are lost in a sea of the kind of people who swarm to as successful a business as they have become.

  23. Re: Luv the Apple hate here by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

    You mad, bro?

  24. Removing Keyboards by HannethCom · · Score: 1

    No, not with your credit card silly!
    You all have phones right?
    You can also use an iPad as a bigger keyboard.

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  25. In-no-way-vation. by az-saguaro · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I read the article.
    I can't wait for the future.

    " Cook said that Apple is "rolling the dice" on some future products that will "blow you away "
    Thank goodness they are just rolling the dice, and not betting the farm, because the following are all too ho-hum. Yawn.

    " eventual goal is to be able reduce the price of the 2018 Retina MacBook Air "
    That would be nice. Hardly revolutionary. The only minds to be blown are those who cannot believe that Apple would make a budget minded model, and I think their heads are safe for now.

    " in reference to the Apple Watch and the AirPods, there's a long, great roadmap of fantastic products on the horizon "
    They have already risen over the horizon. In the past, Apple moved the industry and society when they founded new concepts, not spinning what's already in the barn.

    " while Cook did not go into more detail "
    There's your sign.

    " rumors have suggested that AirPods coming in the near future will be available in new colors (black) and support and the ability to be wirelessly charged "
    Thank goodness, lack of black is the only thing that has kept me from buying into the Apple ecosystem. And don't all you cynics be discounting the wireless charger - less chance of scratching that beautiful new finish. Now, if they gave you a jar of Turtle Wax with the phone, that would indeed be revolutionary.

    " more ambitious products are also rumored, including a pair of augmented reality smart glasses and perhaps even a full self-driving vehicle "
    AR and VR are certainly hot topics, but that is because everyone else is already making geek goggles (e.g. MS), or already gave it up (Google). Self driving cars - now there's an idea - why didn't anyone think of that before?

    " on the topic of services, goal to double its $25 billion revenue by 2020 "
    Thank goodness, I was starting to think that this was a fabricated story, fake news, but there it is, the real Apple.

    " two new products in the services category, including a new streaming TV service with original shows and a new Apple News service with subscription for a monthly fee "
    Perhaps they should ask Amazon, Google, Netflix, Hulu, MS, and the others for some brotherly advice.

    " Cook also said that Apple is pushing for regulation against tech companies like Facebook and Google that build data profiles of their users. Apple has long been an advocate for customer privacy "
    Okay, good for them. We pay our respects.

    Innovation can be hard, and for every million products made, only one comes along that changes everything. Apple and Jobs used to do that. Now, the Cook in the kitchen is just making re-hash. Why is this even news? (Trick question see above, 2 times $25 billion).

  26. Re:Literally by novakyu · · Score: 1

    But what about for women? Or for heterosexual men?

  27. Rolling the dice on future products by fox171171 · · Score: 1

    "rolling the dice" on future products that will just "blow you away."

    "Rolling the dice on future products" is not exactly confidence inspiring.

    I'd translate that to "We haven't got a clue what we're going to pull out of our ass next, but you'll be blown away by the insanely high price that we'll have the gall to charge for it!"

  28. Double service revenue... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    Tim Cook said that service revenue would double in the future. That hardly sounds like productsthat will blow me away. I'm starting to wonder, is Apple's innovation cycle done, and Apple now has to rely upon service to survive?

    1. Re:Double service revenue... by mr_lemonade4796 · · Score: 1

      Yes. Services is the future of Apple revenue. They've said it already, many times, the focus is shifting to services. The ship has sailed on hardware sales. It is a problem for everyone.

  29. Sure by finkployd · · Score: 4, Informative

    You mean a laptop with a keyboard that doesn't suck? I say this as a 10 year MBP user who is getting a Thinkpad next week because it sure feels like they have abandoned the pro market. If I want an OS that is abandoned and turning into iOS and a keyboard that is unusable, I'll be sure to come back :/

    1. Re:Sure by finkployd · · Score: 1

      I'm with you. I ended up going with a Lenovo X1 Extreme.

    2. Re:Sure by finkployd · · Score: 1

      I've not really seen anything with MacOS that has impressed me in the last several releases. Windows however has been steadily improving. Windows Subsystem for Linux closes a lot of the gap for me.

  30. Not "blown away" by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    Seems like incremental improvements to already decent products.

    Nothing wrong with that. But I am not "blown away."

  31. Re:I hope they pull it off by Iamthecheese · · Score: 1

    They can, but they won't. Apple thinks changing the user interface, making a phone less convenient, using cheaper hardware in ways their target market won't recognize, and faffing about with bezels is invention. If they patent ANYTHING this year that someone else wants to copy for a reason besides marketing I'll eat my shoe.

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  32. Bye Apple. by s0nspark · · Score: 4, Informative

    I used to be quite a fan of Apple products, going back to the Powerbook days... and for a while it was a pleasure to set aside Linux and Windows in favor of a OSX-powered Macbook. My frustration with their horrible attempts at simplicity and the decline of reliability in macos pushed me back to Linux and that in turn brought me to Windows 10 with WSL. My Apple TV is gone in favor of a Roku with Plex. My company-supplied iPhone is the only Apple product I still use and when I am up for a refresh I will be switching to something Android so I have choices again about how I manage my data and what I can do with my own device. Oh! Did I mention that I have been trying for over EIGHT MONTHS to get Apple to clear an activation lock on a company-purchased phone where the user mistyped his recovery phone number and now can't access his Apple ID? I've been told everything under the sun about what to do and what the result will be. In the end, the group responsible for actually unlocking the phone so we can reset and reissue it only communicates through form letters via email and there is no way to contact them directly. EIGHT MONTHS I have been going round and round... That device will eventually just get thrown away, I guess. I am SO done. Bye Apple.

  33. No they were not iterative by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    iterative improvements on their own (iMac Pro, Mac mini) or other people's (Watch, AirPods) products.

    I'll grant the Mac improvements were more iterative.

    But AirPods and the Apple Watch were not at all iterative. AirPods had quite a lot of innovation all in one, from the charging case to the custom pairing method that was WAY easier than any other bluetooth device I had ever set up before.

    The Apple Watch even moreso - just like with the iPhone, it seems like no-one can remember what a horrible piece of crap smart watches were before the Apple Watch. I know as I had a few Pebbles - I really, really wanted that platform to do well but there way simply no denying how much heads and shoulders better the AppleWatch was by any measure. It was a true leap and the truth of that is evident in how weak competition is against it even now, years later.

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    1. Re:No they were not iterative by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      People who insist on fashion aren't even in the market

      There has actually so much publicity around this all I can assume is that you are a liar.

      Didn't even read the rest of your post, nor will I read a response as I find it pointless to discuss anything with people who simply lie outright to try and "win".

      Straighten up buddy.

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  34. Riiight by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    The only thing they're going to blow away is their stock price.

  35. Apple has lost most of is appeal ... by Qbertino · · Score: 2

    ... to me.

    No viable affordable low end models anymore. MS style hoops to jump through to get xcode. Flaky OS lately. Obscenely priced mobile hardware - although I have to admit that people lap that shit up like it's no tomorrow.

    This is why Apple is making such obscene amounts of money. Apple its first and foremost a fashion brand these days. They really don't need to care what experts think.

    Hence I'm back to Linux as my main OS. I miss the hard and software integration, but that's the smaller price to pay right now. AFAIAC they need to really get back to 2003 form again if they want me interested again. 13 inch iBook g4 was their high point for me. MB air a close second.

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    1. Re:Apple has lost most of is appeal ... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      No viable affordable low end models anymore.

      The only one they ever had was the original Mini. All the other ones were huge pains in the ass, or just garbage like Performas. Mac II series had cases that were works of art, especially the IIci. Performas had nasty cheap sharp metal like a budget PC. And of course, later minis have been castrated, yet not cheaper. All iMacs are torturous to service...

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  36. Tim Cook does not get it ... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

    We want a 17" (or more!) Mac Book Pro, call it Expert Book if you want.
    With:
          o perhaps a touch screen
          o build in iOS emulator, to run some apps
          o enough ports, and not silly removal of ports so we need dozens of dongles, removing the SD card slot e.g. was just plain stupid, my old 17" even has a PCMCIA it is super useful
          o RAM ... a Pro should have RAM
          o true function keys - if you want add a glowing touch bar on top of it, I don't mind
          o a fullscreen mode that works again, not the silly one we have at the moment
          o perhaps: display the content of one window on a external screen/projector (I have dozens of ideas like this and wonder why no one does that)
        o oh, and a SIM card slot would be nice, it simply sucks to pair the Mac with a Phone to have mobile internet (yeah, not a priority, I bought a mobile hot spot long ago).

    And as people are complaining about the non useable keyboards at the moment, perhaps you want to go back to the 2014/2013 keyboards?

    I'm basically at the point joining the Hackintosh community ...

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    1. Re:Tim Cook does not get it ... by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1
      I have a 17" MBP too, and have refused to even consider buying a new one with the current sizes. I like some of the suggestions you made, however, you seem to be mixing software & hardware features together.

      perhaps a touch screen

      Gimicky & would run up cost. There's no real advantage to a touch screen on a laptop, it is an inferior method of input compared to the keyboard & mouse.

      true function keys - if you want add a glowing touch bar on top of it, I don't mind

      I have a touchbar on my 2018 15" MacBook Pro at work, and don't find it useful at all. Just function keys without the touchbar would be preferable.

      perhaps: display the content of one window on a external screen/projector (I have dozens of ideas like this and wonder why no one does that)

      It can already do that, unless I don't understand what you mean.

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    2. Re:Tim Cook does not get it ... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      It can already do that, unless I don't understand what you mean.
      Have an icon on the window, so its contents is "streamed" to a second screen, but the window remains on the main screen, so you can continue using the other windows (even bring some to front etc.) without covering the stuff on the other screen. That way presentations etc. are much more easy.

      Touch screens are extremely useful, especially if you one worked with one.

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  37. Correction by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 2

    "Blow your wallet away."

    There, fixed it for you

  38. Military by Njovich · · Score: 2

    Looks like the military has found a new partner after Google dropping out. Not really the 'blowing away' you were looking for, but certainly nice for the shareholders.

  39. Blown away as... by LordHighExecutioner · · Score: 2

    ...Samsung Galaxy 7 owners ?!?

  40. Right to repair by BeemanIT · · Score: 2

    Forgot to say their Legal dept was figuring out new ways to kill small business and the right to repair the idevice you paid for.

  41. I'm sure by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Knowing Tim and how "innovative" and "courageous" he is, it's quite likely that it's gonna blow, all right...

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  42. Re:After all these years apple still does not get by pauljlucas · · Score: 1

    Given their current stock price and that they were the first trillion dollar company, apparently they get it just fine and are content with allegedly not providing technology for the masses.

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  43. innovations? 10 off the top of my head: by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    1) replaceable parts? like legos... now you can upgrade your RAM, easily! (but only with Apple RAM with it's special lego shape to make everything easier!)

    2) remove all audio from apple computers. courageous new USB dongles!

    3) wireless laptop charging stands-- no more charging cables! just buy a stand for everywhere you go!

    4) Remember how Apple invented a way to tell time by putting a screen to your smart phone on your wrist?
    Now you can do math with a tiny tablet the size of a pack of cards without having to pull out your smart phone... we call it... the iCalc. It does math!

    5) Sick of cables and losing wireless mics for talking on your phone? Now wear an apple badge and live like it's Star Trek... It is a nice big white Apple logo so everybody can see you are an Apple user.

    6) Apple Electric Car: it has it's on BAR and wifi and drives for you. Just drive everywhere Siri knows about and trust Apple Maps to get you to your destinations. With full Yelp and Facebook integration so everybody can know everywhere you go.

    7) Apple ID: We all know you love using your Apple account! Now, everything you do will require your Apple account and we've teemed up with Governments so you no longer need a Photo ID-- it's on your iPhone! You can wirelessly hand your ID to the police without having to give them your phone!

    8) Oh, and don't worry about privacy, our new AI will know from your expressions that you are being forced to unlock your phone. You can bypass this feature by painting your face black and blue if you truly need still get in...

    9) Non "PRO" models will be rebranded as "CHEAP" and their prices will remain the same.

    10) iParent. Since most parents have handed their children over to us already, we've taught Siri to be a parent. Now you will have more time for Facebook because you know your children but knowing they will finally get the parenting you haven't had the time to give them in your busy modern life.

    1. Re:innovations? 10 off the top of my head: by mr_lemonade4796 · · Score: 1

      >5) Sick of cables and losing wireless mics for talking on your phone? Now wear an apple badge and live like it's Star Trek... It is a nice big white Apple logo so everybody can see you are an Apple user. You can already get Star Trek badge bluetooth devices. It has an authentic chirps when you get a call, touch it to answer and live in the future!

  44. What's he supposed to say? "Put a fork in Apple... by jsepeta · · Score: 1

    As long as Tim Cook doesn't promise 'Magical' products I'm ok with it. However I'd like to ask him personally if he thinks having a shit-ton of dongles hanging off your products was Jonny Ive's best design.

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  45. Re:Pricing by jsepeta · · Score: 1

    Note that Apple has changed their focus from "unit sales" to "activated iphones" to mask the effect of flagging sales. And this happened because they jacked up the price of the flagship phone from $500 to $1500. Most people simply don't have that much disposable income, and even the "lower priced" $700 model is adequate for 3-5 years.

    I wish Tim Cook would stop talking and do more:
    1) listen to customers. the keyboard on the MacBook Pro is fucking unusable for anyone who needs to type for more than a couple of minutes. It's frustratingly horrible.
    2) Mac Pro doesn't need to cost $10,000+. Just add Thunderbolt, USB-C and USB-3.x to the damned thing, along with support for new Xeon processors
    3) Mac an inexpensive laptop in the $500 range for education. It doesn't need to be the thinnest - it needs to be indestructible.

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  46. Re:After all these years apple still does not get by sad_ · · Score: 1

    Hi Tramiel, how are you doing? :)

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  47. Re:After all these years apple still does not get by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Apple's niche has never been "masses" and I don't think they'd do well at it. They've almost always targeted the top 15% or so of consumers and have made a nice living off them (except for the mid 1990's). Why change your spots? Some make Porches, some make Chevy's, both exist in the marketplace and serve different customers.

  48. Correction [Re:After all these years appl] by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Correction: "Porsches"

  49. Re:What's he supposed to say? "Put a fork in Apple by mr_lemonade4796 · · Score: 1

    I am sure someone reminded Cook not to use the word 'Magical'