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Linux Last in Deja Network OS Poll
Kwikymart writes "A poll on Deja News of network operating system rates Linux dead last in all catagories. Funny thing is it rates the same number (1.7) in all the catagories (Scalability, Reliability, Administration and Cost). Looks like somebody that doesn't like Linux sure likes to write perl scripts!" That "somebody" also seems to like GNU Hurd a whole bunch; it was the top-rated network OS. ;-)
Well, I would imagine that the Microsoft people are busy, you know, creating wealth and prosperity for themselves and the public at large instead of wasting their time stuffing an e-ballot box.
I am disappointed in the zealot Linux community though, they should have spiked this poll in FAVOR of Linux long ago...you know, to keep the hype up.
Let them spread FUD about linux. The more popular linux gets, I suspect, the more virii for it will be written. Remember, the worm infected unix systems.
Considering a court of law has shown that Microsoft engaged in actions to transfer massive amounts of wealth from honest Americans I must ask who are they they creating this wealth for? Surely not the people they've gouged. Oh wait I think you mean Caldera? The company likely to end up owning Microsoft-)
Hmmm. Only five comments on NT Server actually rated above the average (. 58 people commented of 5267 respondents. That's a little more than 1 percent. So I (unscientifically) estimate that about 600 people gave above the average ratings. I'd like to know if nearly 4600 gave close to 3.8 rating to keep the average from being pulled down. Hmmm... Y2K? ;-)
You can not begin to imagine HOW MANY TIMES I have hit the reset button to keep the linux hype up.
My finger may have to be amputated.
linux sucks freeBSD forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
s/reset/refresh/
ive been up all night.
Use source IP addrs? That would mean one vote per proxy server (or NAT router.)
# uname -a
GNU/Linux squirmy 1.1 SQURIMY#245 i386
Coincidence? maybe. amusing? absolutely.
if you had a chance to look at the very early results you find a pattern of votes among bsd, linux and nt - the votes were in similar range of 4000-6000 but the results were very biased, some bsd script kiddies were having fun with the poll
They say A/UX and AIX beat Linux in all categories... What the hell is wrong with these people? AIX 4.x lets you get into it's drawers faster than ginger lynn on X. This is mortifying.
Stallman says bow to me.
Stand up. Aha! I didn't say Stallman says ...
Go away motherfucking karma whore. Who gave this idiot 2 points anyway?
were you talking of yourself in the third person or something?
Moderate him down for what? It's not offtopic, flamebait, or a troll. Unlike you. Karma envy is so embarrassing.
You are a moron.
But who really gives a shit..?
Slashdot - open source, closed minds.
People with a base score of 2 have historically proven themselves worth of being listened to. They should not be penalized for having been right.
Maybe a couple of you should ^c those perl scripts?
I hate Pokemon. This fad is as stupid as the Furby craze or slogans such as "Got Milk". Never mention it again.
OM, NT is perfectly stable *if* you know how to configure it. I've had this debate with so many people it's not funny anymore. I can make linux unstable, and NT stable. It all has to do with the quality of the hardware and low-level code you run. I've seen beta xservers do some NASTY things to a linux box. I've also seen NT boxes stay up in heavy use production situations for 9-12 months (before we decided to get a new box). I use every operating system (well almost every OS) and they *all* have their good points and their bad points. Generalizing and saying Linux is more stable than NT is like saying that (euro) Import cars are faster than domestics. Usually it's true but there are always exceptions.
Before someone post the question on LinuxToday the result were already screwed, thats why someone asked the question.
And don't forget, 90% of Linux users compare themselves to NT, that is why they think they are so reliable, and all they care about is GUI, skins and quake.
oH NO!!!!!!!!! Linux finally got the appropriate score it deserves. (cue for all the hax0rz to load up their scripts and try to bring it up, since in a fair 1 vote per person environment linux would stay dead last) (cue again for some ex truck driver to boast how linux is sooooooo fast on his 386 with 8 ram) we're talking about real machines here not stuff you find in a garbage dump. ever wonder why in any professional benchmark linux gets defeated by NT or whatever? (because its faster?) of course when that happens 1304893049039403 LiNuX hAX0rZ will start talking how its politics and how its funded by the evil empire, but remember mindcraft, all the LiNuX haX0Rz were allowed to customize the machine so it would be fair and guess what.... THEY LOST AGAIN. gee. LiNuX RulEZ (but only on my 386)
exactly what i think
__Money has managed to get a high karma from posting quotes from the linked story. He has apologised for this before, yet continues to do it. He wastes everyones time and is a Karma Whore(tm).
Let me add about how you probably missed several Service Pack upgrades during that time. They usually release a SP or two within that time span, so your saying that your system is generally insecure because you failed to even install them. On top of that you need to reboot to commit the configurations. With Linux you have to do no such thing. What a airhead... My .02 cents... LOL
"NT is absolutely slaughtering Linux in the e-commerce market. Perhaps you haven't noticed, but most people don't want to make their own server to get things done."
Agreed - e-commerce development under NT is very, very pleasent. IIS is a blisteringly fast server, and the nice folks at PHP/Zend support it very well.
My clients really prefer it, not only does it fit in well with their existing Windows/WinNT networks but they like having a single, coherent source for updates and fixes.
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"On top of that you need to reboot to commit the configurations."
Hmm... and how exactly do YOU manage to update your Linux kernal without a reboot?
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Heh. "Informative". Moderated to 4. /. -- model of objectivity. :-)
BTW, why the *heck* is the default slashdot format HTML rather than extrans? who really wants to insert manual
s in their text?
"Judge Jackson would disagree with you."
Linux hypocrasy in action. The judge rules about a patent and suddenly the legal system is too stupid to understand tech issues... but one judge rules against microsoft and he is the second comming of Christ.
No wonder no one really takes Linux seriously.
Speaking of hypocrasy, why is is Slashdot runs on a closed source system if OSS is so good?
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Or people that write scanners for http proxy servers. Dunno how hard it would be to spoof an IP with HTTP, but I'd guess that it isn't *that* hard.
Besides, who the heck cares? Really, if you know enough to be setting Linux up (i.e. you know what the word partition means and how to plug in a keyboard without shocking the hell outa yourself), you *aren't* going to be crusing Dejanews looking for OS reviews.
Um...better performance? How? (I run NT and Linux dual-boot as well) I mean, if you tweak the heck outa NT but not linux, you aren't being fair. Play with hdparm and friends.
I suppose NT might win on multi-proc systems.
I could see NT getting better speed on GUI display related stuff, just because it doesn't have to deal with X, and the GUI stuff is so low-level in the OS. But program execution speed? Disk access? Have you ever tried *closing* Photoshop on NT? I have 256 megs of RAM, and if Photoshop uses just 90 of them and is closed, NT starts grinding away...NT VM code *sucks*. I mean, if you have 120 megs of RAM free, why the HELL is your OS mapping things out to disk?
Closing the GIMP is instantaneous and doesn't send Linux into a grinding slowdown.
Admittedly, closing RAM-intensive processes is my worst gripe with NT, but it's a really annoying one. Closing Navigator is painful too...
I think we're talking about different things. I always check the newsgroup archives for people's messages about products before I buy them. OTOH, I couldn't care less about Deja's "numerical ranking" system, which is moronic IMHO.
Oh, and I think Deja is *way* too crowded and noisy and a pain to use now. Right now, I'm using dejafilter to avoid the garbage, so Deja is losing any revenue they might have gotten from me viewing ad banners.
If they go back to a simple page (lose the 10,000 tables per page!) and toss out the hundreds of links on each page, I'd view it unfiltered again. They'd make ad money, I'd get my info, and everyone would be happy. Deja's interface sucks right now. They should look at www.google.com for an example of interface perfection (I swear, I almost had a heart attack when I saw google's interface).
Darn it, I didn't have a $5 a week allowance when I was *17*!
Don't make us relieve you of your misguided head.
:-)
Or maybe because they don't like their OS enough to vote for it. I've never met a single Windows user who really honestly *likes* their OS. That's not true for the Mac or Linux OR OS/2 (though I've only met one OS/2 user).
A few years from now people will be pointing to everything that happens to them that could be pointed in some extremely indirect way to computers and still say "Y2K?"... Kind of reminds me of El Nino; there are tons of people still blaming every weather wierdness on El Nino.
That's cute. The headline - "Linux Possibly Defamed Somewhere" with that icon fits this fairly well.
If you literally think that you have the best security in the *world*, you go right ahead and tell us your site name and watch people screw hell out of it.
And it is *not* all in how you configure your hardware and OS. You can improve things a bit, yes. My Mac (nice machine, BTW) ran a lot more nicely than a default Apple install...but no matter what I do, I'd never claim that it has the stability of my Linux box. Exact same thing with NT (and yes, I DO have a box with NT)...you can improve it a bit (not much...MS discourages tweaking a lot more than the Linux world or Apple does). NT isn't a lot worse stability-wise than Linux, but it's much easier to get to a point where you can't safely shut down the machine (it doesn't respond to control-alt-delete, though it isn't properly crashed).
I have *never* had X have problems on me (but I run the SVGA server with a G200, which is apparently a really good combination). Only once have I gotten Linux to the point where I had to manually kill the power (I don't use dev kernels though), and that was with the infamous while (1) {malloc(1)} program. I've had two BSODs on NT, and probably a dozen times when the OS wouldn't let me reboot through software. And *LOTS* of times when I had to reboot(through software) because otherwise my system would have been unusable...and this never happens on Linux.
And I don't care what you did, unless you rewrote the OS, your 95 boxes do *not* *reliably* stay up for "months at a time". I have seen people try to keep 95 up for months at a time, and it does not work.
Why bother with the poll??? Umm... because it draws traffic to their site??? Did you think about what you were saying first??? Personally my vote was for the Apple II+.
When /. posted the link, linux had ~6000 votes - more than enough to get a good indication of what people thought of it - ~2.5. If I remember correctly NT had about the same, and BSD (with ~5,000 votes) was 1st at 4.4, Hurd had 3.9 I think..
As the zealots continue to weight the votes in favour of linux, no doubt we'll see Linux reach #1 in a few hours, and the poll becoming truely useless.
Actually I *DO* use Deja for information regarding a product - just not their polls. I just do a search on the product in the usenet forums and read the messages. Consider it asking 100 Users on the street =).
Naked and stone girls
Who turned them to stone? I did
Naked and stone girls
It's been benchmarked that Apache lags far behind IIS 4.0. and Java JVM on Linux is magnitudes slower than on NT. X performance on Linux feels like windows 3.0 or 3.1 even on accelerated video card like TNT.
>ever wonder why in any professional benchmark linux gets defeated by NT or whatever?
.tar file goes on a jihad against that benchmark, giving the benchmark free advertising and the moral upper ground.
There are professional benchmarks that give the edge to either Linux or NT. Ones that are favourable to NT get by far the most attention, because every Linux newbie who wants to help Linux but can't figure out how to open a
The Mindcraft trials tried to test Linux's "webserver" 'Apache' against NT's webserver. But Apache is _not_ Linux's "webserver". Apache will run on Linux but it will also run on NT/sunos/etc. Apache is the most popular webserver due to it's good support of dynamic content, as it has many features and good performance. I remember talking to our web-admin about an auto-translation module and remarked that it sounded like it would cost a lot to buy. He responded that it comes free w. Apache.
What Mindcraft was testing was the static content performance of the webserver. This is a test of the raw I/O, effectively how closely 'integrated' the httpd is with the OS.
Apache/Linux is in no way integrated, NT/IIS is. Therefore NT/IIS will win. Linux's integrated webserver is khttpd. khttpd/Linux ~4x faster than Apache/Linux making it approximately as fast NT/IIS.
Apache is designed to serve _dynamic_ files. You need dynamic content to do anything much more professional than a 'Here is a foto of me & my dog'.
Here is a benchmark I picked at random, from a yahoo search "Linux +benchmark Webserver".
Benchmark
This shows that Apache performs about as well as IIS for what it was designed for - Dynamic content. Not really surprising Apache and IIS are both best of breed httpd, and there is an upper bound to what you can achieve w. given hardware.
It's also interesting to see that that because of an apparent lack of journalistic integrity, the BSD advocacy sites reported the poll results as a "news", despite the obvious fact that it was a sham.
Such behavior reflects ill upon the FreeBSD users. A few years ago, OS/2 advocates attempted a similar fraud, and one of the major trade magazines wrote a scathing editorial which called into question OS/2 and its followers. The magazine invalidated the award and was forced to send out snail mail ballots to prevent future occurances of fraud. I can't remember the name of the journal, but it might have been InfoWorld. It was a "readers choice" award.
Freebsd is dying. Because of this you can expect more corruption from users of this dying software called freebsd.
This dishonest attack on Linux users must be met, blow for blow. Wherever you hear BSD's name you must remind the world of its failure, and its evil attempts to drag the successful down. Freebsd is dead, and its rotting corpse pollutes the true Open Source Software community.
Just make sure you don't categorize MSN as Microsoft supporters. I am a happy Linux user, yet I use MSN on my Windows box. It seems things are still lopsided. These sorts of polls only tell Linux users what they want to hear. I would be very interested in a true random sampling.
Most Windows users have no concept that they are even using an OS. Anyone who doesn't know what a kernel is shouldn't be using computers at all. That's why only clued users use Linux.
The raiding of the Deja Poll by Linux zealots only serves to discredit the Linux community. How can we discredit future MS-sponsored MindCraft benchmarks with things like this on our record? I hope the Linux community finds out who these idiots are and ban them for life.
VI - better than Word 2000 in every respect. XCalc - better than Excel 2000 in every respect Linux roolz.
Maybe I'm just getting old, but what's the point in stuffing the web.ballot.box? I don't think anyone takes these
;-). Of course, people tried to point out there what crap it was too, but didn't seem to get anywhere.
polls seriously, and most of them seem to be vulnerable to trivial attacks. It's a low-skill hack on a low-value
asset, so I can't see anybody scoring major reputation points by doing this.
Actually, if you wander over to Daemon News' article "BSD Rated Number 1 OS", you'll find that the *BSD people took that poll quite seriously (at least when we were winning it
This is one of the weaker poll systems I've seen. Once you've submitted a mark, you can sit on the "refresh" button and the same mark is entered again, and again, and again... I bet micro$oft use the result in one of their publicity/linux-bashing campaigns.
I'm reminded of the Suck parody. Merely posting the story seems like a waste of energy. Must be a slow news day, eh?
Okay, so maybe I'm just crabby and bitter(er than usual) because of all the idiots in my neighborhood playing with fireworks till 3:30 in the morning preventing me from sleeping, but honestly, who gives a damn if Linux is last in Deja.com's network OS poll? How is this news? The world's not going to end because of it. The sun will continue to shine, the earth will continue to spin, and LIFE WILL GO ON.
Actually, it should be:
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but seeing as that's perl, it can be pretty much anything it wants to be.
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Last. Well, that's it, I'm fdisk'ing all my systems and installing the "unstoppable" Windows NT. I'd install Hurd, but I like my bugs professionally programmed, thank you.
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BTW, the unnamed catagory linux seemed to have scored first in is being consitent.
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David
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As I type this, the last article (Am I Alone) has a sid of 00/01/01. This article, posted later, seem to have a sid of 99/12/31 ? Though the intro line bit does say 4:10 am, jan 1 2000, hmm....
/. needs more y2k checking. :)
Had a few to drink, but double checked these numbers... right as of 5:40 pst... maybe
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What is this? Looks like perl to me. http://slashdot.org/code.shtml
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Try Dejafilter, available at http://industrialsoftworks.com/dejaf ilter.php3.
It's a nice Perl script which filters out all the great "features" which Deja likes to put in their pages.
AMEN TO THAT!!!! It's not a GNU project, and the GNU project doesn't own the trademark.
Anyways, Linux would probably end up being LESS free then, probably some non-free artwork attached to it (look up icons on www.gnustep.org)...
Stating on Slashdot that I like cheese since 1997.
You own an INTERNET???? Good golly, yer a great one. :^)
"Hay Cletus, I think mah Internet's broke!"
Stating on Slashdot that I like cheese since 1997.
For a search of Linux, as an example, see how this clean little hack works compared to this usual dejanews search.
Ok, we all know web polls are worthless. But Deja is trying to pass itself off now as a source for hardware/software reviews, and the average user is going to look at that poll and say "Gee, Linux must not be that great after all" without even reading the comments, which are mostly positive.
Unfortunately the way the comments are posted, it's hard to refute some of the FUD that's been inserted in there because there is no opportunity to answer a specific review, because you don't know where your reply would even end up in the sequence.
Deja needs to take a hard look at their polling system and work out these kinds of issues if they want people to take it seriously. Perhaps even a form of user moderation ala Slashdot is in order here.
Windows is the incumbent candidate. Microsoft doesn't need to push as hard because they already have momentum and presence.
Lots of people like Deja. Some don't. Life goes on.
I also think the whole interface could use some work. A lot of people also think this. We are aware of it. We are working on it. These things take time. You can't just toss out all of the UI without either a) taking lots of time to rewrite it or b) losing a lot of functionality.
1. We love Linux. The site is run almost exclusively on Linux and all the techies have a KDE or other Linux desktop to do development work.
2. We are well aware that it is possible to spam the rating votes. Thank you for revealing this huge, well guarded secret! We might as well fold up and close the site down due to this amazing detective work. {/sarcasm}
3. We do in fact have robot-vote-scrubbing software, and these votes against Linux will probably be detected as robotic before long and removed from the system. That's just my guess, it's not really my department.
4. If you're using Deja ratings to decide which MP3 player or toaster to buy, great. That's really what they're designed for. If you're using a simple 4-category self-selected numerical vote to determine which NOS to deploy across your enterprise, you need to have your head examined.
5. We may not have many 'Deja only' forums to discuss Linux in, but we certainly carry comp.os.linux.*!
Last time I looked at one of these, it had all sorts of absurdities such as BeOS being rated above Windows 95 for application availability etc. Okay, it could have been a BeOS fan vote-stuffing but more likely it's just a combination of people not thinking at all carefully, wishful thinking (at least where Be apps are concerned) and total subjectivity of the assessments. It's like trying to describe pain to your doctor - "it's sorta like really sore, about here, feels kinda a dull pain" - your description of exactly the same pain probably isn't going to match anybody else's.
Plus the fact that with the obscure operating systems, the only people likely to be voting are the BIG fans of those OS's...this will skew results even more.
I think the accuracy of this poll is summed up by the fact that I just gave BSD a rating, and it immediately jumped up to #1.
One doofus reloading over and over until Linux comes up, then entering "1" on all categories, can affect a lot of change in the standings. Ignore it.
The general opinion is that Linux is the best OS! I guess that somebody from the Evil Empire run a bot that scored Linux down - or we are dealing with a bad case of Y2K bug :-)
NT is absolutely slaughtering Linux in the e-commerce market. Perhaps you haven't noticed, but most people don't want to make their own server to get things done. That's why Microsoft is cleaning up the e-commerce market with all the e-commerce tools available for NT, while Linux is just reinventing the wheel. Obviously, all those customers don't have problems with NT stability -- and that's because they're actually using it instead of getting their information from a Slashdot script kiddie who claims that he gets a BSOD everyday.
And really now, uptime? This is such a canard. Those of us who keep up with the latest improvements are happy to reboot to use a new kernel. Which do you think is more important to businesses: using a more mature kernel, or masturbating while they type "uptime" over and over?
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
Maybe it's because places like Linux Today and Slashdot obsess over polls and steer people to them, as this article shows. It's a pretty sad and embarrassing inferiority complex if you ask me.
I don't remember any Windows newsletters/websites/etc. ever telling people to go vote in "Best OS" polls to inflate Windows's numbers. Perhaps they're just happier with their choice and don't need a web poll to help reassure them that they didn't make a bad decision, like Linux, OS/2, and Mac users apparently do.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
The fact that there are so many readers from Slashdot with an interest in seeing development tools ported to Linux is evidence enough that there is a market. A lot of people who post here seem to think that the general Slashdot reader is a 12 year old with a $5/week allowance. Well, news flash, a lot of us have both personal and professional purchase power.
Ok, maybe this poll was way unaccurate (or maybe not), but sending 10000 Linux zealots to "correct" the poll is not going to make it any better. Every time slashdot links to a poll the results get skewed and the poll becomes worthless. Remember when Inprise/Borland did their poll of if their development tools should be ported to Linux? They had to disregard most of the votes that came in after slashdot had linked. And this was not a poll about who is your favorite Pokemon character, but valuable market research.
How is it possible that HURD gets rated over everything else. That simply makes no sense.
My wife did that. Once in Nov-Dec 98 and again in Nov-Dec 99.
Her biggest complaint about Linux in '98 was that it didn't have a lot of the software she considers essential (Eudora, AIM, ICQ) and many features of the software she tried (Tk/TOC for AIM, early GICQ, KMail and Netscape Mail) were missing.
A year later (and an eMachine bought in March), GICQ is still missing a few features, but it looks and feels a little more like ICQ from Windows. GAIM is a decent replacement for AIM in her opinion, and she's using TkRat for e-mail.
Her biggest complaint today is that KDE doesn't feel consistent--really, she's complaining because Netscape uses its own Motif-like widgets, GAIM and GICQ use GTK widgets, and TkRat uses Tk widgets.
Arghhh! Now, she wants an iMac. The reason: everything will look and feel consistent, and she'll be able to use Eudora again, official versions of ICQ and AIM, and she can even get IRC and MUD clients for it. Oh, and she wants the eMachine to turn back into a Windows box so she can use Microsoft Publisher again. Ironically, she doesn't want to use OS 9--she wants Mac OS X with the BSD core.
In summary, her end-user testing said that for Internet power-users, Linux/Mandrake 6.1 isn't up to snuff...yet. But it's a hell of a lot more usable and closer than it was a year ago.
Me? I'm waiting until her Mac starts crashing and I get to put Yellow Dog on it.
Chris
He doesn't care about the poll. He does care about whether people think the poll matters.
Note: my DNS is currently down. Use my IP address.
"...Is this world not a call I can screen out" --
the ratings are usually messed up big time since
deja sucks balls
Someone who does like Linux seems to like Perl scripts, too. Well, it could also be a "human Perl script", consisting of a few thousand Slashdot readers who think it's important to vote there.
Go figure women :)
Isn't this exactly the sort of article that should get the "Jihad! JIHAD!" penguin icon from Suckdot? :-)
o/~ Join us now and share the software
But do you think the fact that a Deja poll has been polluted is considered "News for nerds, stuff that matters"?! If you do think that this is stuff that matters you probably had too much champagne on new years eve ;)
All this "poll" demonstrates is that Deja ratings, just like any other poll where the pollees select themselves, is essentially meaningless, especially when the tally can be trivially stuffed.
In a different arena, Comics Buyers Guide used to permit anyone to vote for their annual awards using copies of their ballot. This lasted until the year of the Duckslide, when Carl Barks fans openly stuffed the ballot box and won all but one of the categories (Barks didn't have any painted comics published that year). As a result, they now require you to use the original ballot from the CBG. The ballot can still be stuffed, by buying large quantities of the CBG, just like reliable polls can be rigged by careful wording and ordering of questions. Open voting is a nice idea, but it's trivial to abuse, and we really don't need to get worked up over it.
All this "poll" demonstrates is that Deja ratings, just like any other poll where the pollees select themselves, is essentially meaningless, especially when the tally can be trivially stuffed.
Also the poll "results" don't tally well with the comments of the "voters"
As I'm looking at this site, I see an alarming, well I don't know what it is but--Linux seems to have about the same number of ratings as NT, with all the other NOSes with half or less the amount of votes. Now it's obvious that /.ers have pushed Linux up and pushed NT down. However, I would say that only people who have actually used a particular OS rate it, and that people who have used OSes other than Linux and NT also rate those other OSes. From what I see, it's obvious a bunch of people that love Linux have gotten together to rate it up, and a bunch of people that hate NT have rated it down, however if any of you have used the other OSes on that list there, it would be nice to see them rated as well.
Chris Hagar
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson
That's not the reason the poll becomes meaningless. The poll becomes meaningless because an inordinate amount of Linux users go to the poll. An accurate poll has an even weight from random people, not from a bunch of people who only like Linux. ;)
I do wish I could project my high (read: low) reasoning but I'm just not too good at outlining my ideas well. Therefore, I believe none of you will understand what in the world I'm saying
Chris Hagar
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson
Arghhh! Now, she wants an iMac. The reason: everything will look and feel consistent, and she'll be able to use Eudora again, official versions of ICQ and AIM, and she can even get IRC and MUD clients for it.
:) The Mac is a good machine in it's place, but the ICQ version is WAY WAY WAY lagged behind the mainstream versions, and the IRC clients lack a lot.
You might want to re-think that
We use ICQ and IRC a lot in our work at girl2 so the girls can talk to people and the MAC system has real trouble compared to the windows boxen.
Ken
--> Fight tyranny and repression.... read
It's obvious that almost everyone who voted in this poll was stoned? Linux more scalable that Irix or Solaris? Give me a break. I used to run Linux until the droves of kiddies took over the playground. Linux 1993-1999 RIP
I was thanked for my commenting on the "Sony Playstation"!
:)
Could I have started a "Sony Linuxstation" rumour?
War crimes, torture, lies, illegal spying... Would someone give Bush a blowjob, already, so he can be impeached?
OS/2 was #1, with BSD as #2, Linux #3
Then BSD was #1, with Linux as #4
Then Windows was on op, BSD #2 and Linux as dead last.
For someone who believes it doesn't matter, you seem to pay a lot of attention.
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Judge Jackson would disagree with you.
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The URL(I) linking to this story is using a very interesting date.
I wonder if this will effect how the stories are archived at a latter date?
Will a story search in Feb turn up a tons of stories on New years eve, and nothing in Jan and Feb?
Just curious.
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from the take-it-with-a-big-grain-of-salt dept.
There ya go.
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If you had been tracking that poll for the last weeks.
OS/2 was #1, with BSD as #2, Linux #3
Then BSD was #1, with Linux as #4
Then Windows was on top, BSD #2 and Linux as dead last.
Anyone who things that poll says ANYTHING useful, is delusional.
If it was said on slashdot, it MUST be true!
I wouldn't use Deja for recommendations on buying anything. They don't have a good system for ratings/recommendations.
If you're looking for recommendations on lots of stuff like books, movies, computers or travel destinations, etc... go with Epinions.com
If you sign up for Epinions.com, please use me a referral: redking
Thanks.
Rangers Lead the Way!
Is it just me, or does there seem to be a lack of Linux interest on Deja in general. If you go to Home >> Computing&Tech >> Software >> Operating Systems >> Discussions there seems to be a zillion MS windows forums but hardly any Linux ones!
I don't use deja, so mabye I'm just doing something wrong...
Ach, maybe it's just that I've been at work for 13 hours now and the only Y2K-related problem I've seen is that some kind soul turned off our NT domain controllers "just in case." Preventing all your users from logging on is one way to make sure they don't dork up the system...
Neutron
I get my kicks above the
I think one of the problems with such polls is that NT users will compare to Windows 9x, while UNIX users will compare to other UNIXes. What they should be asking is number/length of downtime the last year etc.
Why a -1 score? It's supposed to be funny.
--Have a Johsonville brat.
Stability and freedom baby..... your NT aint worth nothing when it comes to stability.
Oh, by the way, I don't know if there should be a follow-up or not, but someone's been spamming the Deja polls - Linux now has over 10000 votes, and has moved up to 3.3 in all categories. Also, MS Windows NT Server has even more votes, with 2.4 in each category. BSD only had about 5000. This poll seems to be getting more and more pointless as the day goes on.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Gandhi
So what if Linux doesn't perform quite as well as NT? What Linux gives is stability and uptime, which are more important for e-commerce companies. It also allows anyone to make their own server, something NT will never allow.
This appears to be working.
;-)
As of 11:40 AM EST, Linux is ahead of Windows NT Server, 3.1 to 3.0. Linux has a total of 9250 votes, while NT has a total of 7483 votes. The deja.com servers are slowing to a crawl, with something like 100 votes/minute being posted to the poll. I wonder if the deja.com staff might notice the system load, and get rid of these stupid polls. Oh well, I can hope...
Can we stop now? I'm trying to actually *use* the DejaNews search...
Excuse me for a minute while I take you literally - you system is not the most secure in the world.
Your comments about proper configuration seem innocent enough, however. Keep up the good work.
XML causes global warming.
Do I get that right? /.? ;-)
That poll's been made by using some simple method=get commands? Is that how people who know a lot about software, programming and operating-systems do make up their mind? Go to deja and do some clicki-clicki-stuff?
I don't give a %$!# about that poll! I'm using whatever I think I know is best. Come on, how many of us do other polls than those on
Hey people, wake up!
If you want to measure how good an OS is, dont use polls! The stats show that linux is most voted for, so I can only draw one conclusion about it.
Every linux-user I know says that it's the best OS they've ever used, especially the ones wyo use it as a server. So, if all people who voted for linux really used it, linux should be on top. This sure looks like voting-pollution to me!
If you really want to measure how good an OS is than test it (okay, not a mindcraft-you-give-the-results-we-give-the-test kind of test, but a fair one). This kind of subjective polls shouldn't get as much media attention as they get now.
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If code was hard to write, it should be hard to read
I haven't got the faintest idea :) :))
I just posted it because I thought it would be fun, and I saw the moderation points rising and rising. I almost fell of my chair laughing when I saw the 'informative'
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If code was hard to write, it should be hard to read
Okay, take a *nix box and type:
5 &CR3=5&CR4=5&CID=11997&P DID=5281"
:-))
lynx -accept_all_cookies -source "http://www.deja.com/rate/user_rate.xp?CR1=5&CR2=
You only have to put this in a while (1==1) loop (and remove the ~/.lynxcookies file) and withing 10 minutes linux wil be on 4.9, 4.9,4.9, 4.9 with 100.000 votes
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If code was hard to write, it should be hard to read
This just shows how biased Slashdot is towards Linux. Linux trails other operating systems in a poll that about three people will read and nobody will take seriously, and Slashdot jumps all over it as some type of anti-Linux conspiracy. This is the dumbest thing on Slashdot since that posting about Microsoft hiring Linux admins, and people thinking that Microsoft was trying to make their own Linux distribution. Wake up people. Linux isn't all that great, and Microsoft (or anything that isn't Linux) isn't all that evil. Now get the hell off my internet.
Prospecting Stinks. Stop Wasting Time on Cold Calling.
Firstly - linux is not last anymore ;) - probably due to the slashdot effect, lots of people hyped up the linux scores.
Apart from that, the rating system used by deja is not really fair.
Using people to rate different os-es results in people rating their os of choice high, and the other ones lower.
This results, in turn, in people over-rating and under-rating their own and other operating systems because they can see the results already.
A better system would be 'what is your system of choice' and give a couple of os-es to pick from (the slashdot way).
Windows NT rules! I like Linux and all, I even run it along with my NT boxes, but I still have less trouble out of NT and I get better performance out of it.
no such thing a GNU/Linux though.
It's so clogged with feature creep (like these inane polls) now that you have to go through 2 queries just to do a simple "All newsgroups, all messages" search on a single argument. I understand the desire to avoid stagnation and add value to a site, but this is ridiculous.
I've switched to Remarq for my newsgroup searching. They seem to understand the value of simplicity.