"I believe we need laws and a way to enforce them but when human rights are being violated then Everyone has a voice and has to use it."
you know, it seems to me that ever since the Sudo make me a sandwich
(seriously, he fools you into thinking he's making observation, and sneaks a command in there....i was almost lulled into using my voice by the strange rhythm of the words...)
sorry, but either you're doing it wrong, or you didn't notice the part where i said it's not an out-of-box solution. it requires actual thought, planning, direction, testing, etc. i'll assume you were trying Oracle in a virtual environment in order to run multiple OS instances on one machine? in most of the successful implementations that i've heard of, this is not how it's done. you use the virtual environment for its scalability, it's HA features (think vmotion, etc), and so on. it's not so you can squeeze that 10% load fileserver in as a VM.....
i seriously have to wonder if your response is just a case of poor implementation, or if you're a default-answer-is-no person, or if you're on the "DBs suxor in VMs, d00d" bandwagon, like many are on the "i hate M$" bandwagon....(or maybe you work on Oracle VM?)
anyway, the success stories that i'm aware of all included DB architects, SAN architects, VMware gurus, linux and windows gurus, and a formal plan, with the correct hardware implementation (including fiber, new multi-cpu multicore servers, many hundreds of gigs of RAM, and so on... i guess better luck next time?
thank you for stating the obvious, and clearly missing the point.
miniaturization happens to almost everything. usually, it works out. can you imagine if instead of 1U rack servers, with multi-CPU, multi-core technology, people were still stuck with giant cabinets (maybe even on casters!!!)? or giant desktops instead of SFF desktops, notebooks, ultraportables, etc? hi-fis instead of ipods and earbuds? use your imagination.
maybe now there isn't a real market for this type of thing, but as small, task-specific devices are created, the better the code gets, the better the miniaturizing technology gets, and so on. i wouldn't say it's likely, but this could be steps towards a viable replacement for that 1U/2U webserver in 10-15 years...
Also: there are application I/O-intensive workloads that do not virtualize well, such as high-load databases i.e. your 5 billion row Oracle DB.
at least with vmware VI3, Oracle, specifically, and other databases such as *SQL, Exchange, etc, actually perform better in a virtualized environment.
please note that this is not an out-of-box solution, or something attainable through a point and click wizard. a couple of years ago, this would be correct. today, at least on vmware (and i would assume virtualiron, xen, and all the others too, either now, or in the near future), high I/O VMs virtualize very well.
a lot of this has to do with cheap hardware. SAS drives are falling in price, though slowly. thank companies like pre-Dell Equallogic, LeftHand, Compellent, etc for bringing higher-end SAN equipment to the large market of the SMB. multi-core, multi-CPU, with memory scalable to hundreds of gigs now costs roughly the same as a crappy used car. even fibre equipment, while crazy expensive, has dropped in price. thank media and art departments demanding Apple Final Cut, an inexpensive Apple/Promise SAN, and separately, the demand for web-facing databases offering real-time functionality.
things are changing in storage, virtualization, and infrastructure.
blame != punishment. you listen to the politicians now, especially with what's happened in recent days, and they blame big business. sometimes they blame the unnamed corrupt "they" in the federal government (and of course, everyone acts like the "they" doesn't include them). beyond that, nobody focuses on the "regular" people who helped dig the hole. how can we expect anything to change if we don't address the whole problem?
We used to hold our politicians accountable to the law.
we used to hold everyone accountable, not just if it was easy. these days, we gladly do nothing to anyone. we've gotten lazy. we watch people, politicians, celebrities, etc do things right in front of our face, but choose to do nothing. look at the housing crisis. the lenders surely share in the blame, but what about all the people who over-extended themselves on loans that are widely known and accepted to be stupid, risky, and so on. there isn't much discussion about laying a portion of the blame at the feet of these people. and regarding the corporations, people mostly just talk shit and point fingers. (and give execs, who are forced to leave their companies after aiding in this financial destruction, millions of dollars in severance funds)
there is no accountability. for words, actions, anything.
why not standardization on the hardware level, instead? then, almost all code written for the hardware would be "generic" and "native".
on another note, seems like taking the quadro and firegl lines to the consumers, and then going the next step. assuming that the GPU in fact, does not go away.
Good point. My big issue has always been heat. Laptops aren't made to do serious number crunching, rendering, etc. The hard drives aren't typically meant for constant use. I play wow on occasion, on my HP nc6400, and ventilation can be a serious problem. I've seen CPU temps nearing 80c.
This is a machine that's about 1.5 years old, has dedicated video card, etc. About the only other thing that I can think of to keep internal temperatures down is to upgrade from 2gb to 4gb of RAM and do away with the swap file.
I can only imagine a machine from a company like Acer or Dell, with cheaper components and typically shoddier internal layout and design. I'd love a laptop to play games on, but it doesn't seem practical, unless you consider your laptop a throw-away item. I've resolved to not care too much for mine anymore, and will use it till it dies. Which I would expect within the next 6 months or so, if I keep up the gaming.
are you familiar with the term commodity hardware? basically, it's cheap, expandable, easy to implement. and you can toss it and replace it pretty easily, for a small expense.
in this sense, windows and linux are the same. they are not hpux or aix, or any other serious platform. they're disposable.
so, to basically say they're not vax/vms, as if it's a bad thing, and not the way it was intended to be in the first place, is a bit short-sighted.
um. so you just resign yourself to lose data every time, as opposed to maybe saving the data?
can i work at your shop? i have limited experience, but can probably figure out how to make emotional decisions instead of business decisions. and anybody can shoot from the hip.
i have twc in tx, and i've never had issues with connection speed or throughput. i have 10mbit. as far as i know, there's plent of people around here that have cable internet as well.
when i had slower service, it was still speedy and responsive. so, i don't know what the poster is talking about. can some pages take a while longer to load than others? yes, of course. but don't necessarily assume it's because of my connection. it could just as easily be the company's connection to blame. and don't forget about the large flash ads, etc, that take up much of the bandwidth anyway....
i've started looking for deals on HP workstations. with up to 8gb of ram, onboard RAID, gig ethernet, and a higher-end component-base in general, all i have to do is throw in a video card (for gaming) and i'm off.
i started with an open-box xw4300 (P4, 3ghz), and recently moved onto an open-box xw4400 (c2d 2.4)
i picked mine up from a major IT reseller (focused on SMB/Enterprise sales). i once saw an open box xw* with a DC opteron 2ghz+ for sale for around $500.
that's my recommendation. time is money, and frankly, the novelty of building the same system over and over again wore off long ago...
MIT offers online courses for free, and many of the books they use are available in electronic format. Some of the ones I've seen online textbooks for are the intro to programming and intro to networks. Might be worth checking out.
my cell phone company makes me pay more for text, even though i hear my phone uses the same radio technology to send/receive text as voice, and that these days, voice is really just any old data when transmitted.
are we to surmise what we may already suspect (or know)? that text messaging is really easier for cell phone companies to deal with than voice?
Local schools seem to be the worse offenders. They constantly bitch and moan about lack of funds, then piss away a pile of cash on a site license for Microsoft Office so they can teach their word processing course.
so, there isn't such a thing as a "site license" for Office. it's per seat, no matter how you license it. which means that if they're wasting money (ie overpaying) it's because they over-estimated the total seat-count. Academic licensing is freaking ridiculous cheap. Especially if you're talking about a school district, etc, which will likely at least have a Select agreement.
I'm ok with embracing open source. But to what extent? And at what point does it cease to be embracing, and begin to be forcing. Do you want your 7th grade intro to lit teacher trying to use a man page? Do you want to be the help-desk walking them through that?
I'm no advocate of Microsoft or Windows, but the reason so many companies and organizations use it is ease of use. you install it, maybe install drivers, and then you go. it may not be super effecient for the hardware, it may not be as customizable as an open-source alternative, but for your average user, that's exactly the benefit. And for companies and organizations that associate a cost with every trip to someone's desk to reset X-11, or remind someone that the commands are case-sensitive, it often works out to be cheaper.
why is it so difficult to deploy certain OSes or software where it makes sense? Give GIMP to everyone but your designers. Give OpenOffice to those who have no strict MS Office requirements. But don't force *everyone* to jump on the free open source software bandwagon. It doesn't suit everyone, or their needs.
It's one thing for a business to choose the more expensive option, the people making the choices must eventually answer to their stockholders. Well, as a voter, I'm a stockholder in my country. Wasting truckloads of money for no good reason means I'm going to vote your ass off the board of directors.
another thought, it can actually *save* an organization money to buy things like MS Office. the way licensing works, if you do a company-wide option on your Open Value program, this means you license *every* PC that *could* run Windows and Office Professional for Windows Current-Version and Office Professional Plus. There's a savings involved with this option, and there are exceptions (for example pick-and-place machines that run Windows NT, etc).
anyway, there's more to the story than just "wasting money". it's not as simple as that, and it's widely accepted in the corporate world, and others, that *support*, and costs that don't have a line-item can make a free or more-inexpensive product cost more than the proprietary for-cost product.
end users, office schmucks, and regular people use windows. because it's quick and easy. you do realize that the nasa datacenter runs linux? last i heard it was a redhat variant, but i'm sure that's changed. boeing and lockheed, since they do so much government work, and likely designed at least parts of the *nix-like systems at the true core of the DOD's systems, almost certainly do as well. every enterprise i know of deploys linux or unix where it makes sense, and windows where it makes sense.
desktops and laptops are throw-away items, and, aside from specialized users (who would receive or would have already received specialized training) - nobody wants to train a spreadsheet-maker or report typer how to use csh, or fix X when it crashes, or use emacs, vi, or even cat when things go crazy. unless you're offering?
on another note, i'd be willing to bet that a majority of the peole who whine or poke fun of windows is running on a windows box.
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you know, it seems to me that ever since the Sudo make me a sandwich
(seriously, he fools you into thinking he's making observation, and sneaks a command in there....i was almost lulled into using my voice by the strange rhythm of the words...)
sorry, but either you're doing it wrong, or you didn't notice the part where i said it's not an out-of-box solution. it requires actual thought, planning, direction, testing, etc. i'll assume you were trying Oracle in a virtual environment in order to run multiple OS instances on one machine? in most of the successful implementations that i've heard of, this is not how it's done. you use the virtual environment for its scalability, it's HA features (think vmotion, etc), and so on. it's not so you can squeeze that 10% load fileserver in as a VM.....
take the following with a grain of salt: http://blogs.vmware.com/performance/2007/11/ten-reasons-why.html
i seriously have to wonder if your response is just a case of poor implementation, or if you're a default-answer-is-no person, or if you're on the "DBs suxor in VMs, d00d" bandwagon, like many are on the "i hate M$" bandwagon....(or maybe you work on Oracle VM?)
anyway, the success stories that i'm aware of all included DB architects, SAN architects, VMware gurus, linux and windows gurus, and a formal plan, with the correct hardware implementation (including fiber, new multi-cpu multicore servers, many hundreds of gigs of RAM, and so on... i guess better luck next time?
thank you for stating the obvious, and clearly missing the point.
miniaturization happens to almost everything. usually, it works out. can you imagine if instead of 1U rack servers, with multi-CPU, multi-core technology, people were still stuck with giant cabinets (maybe even on casters!!!)? or giant desktops instead of SFF desktops, notebooks, ultraportables, etc? hi-fis instead of ipods and earbuds? use your imagination.
maybe now there isn't a real market for this type of thing, but as small, task-specific devices are created, the better the code gets, the better the miniaturizing technology gets, and so on. i wouldn't say it's likely, but this could be steps towards a viable replacement for that 1U/2U webserver in 10-15 years...
Also: there are application I/O-intensive workloads that do not virtualize well, such as high-load databases i.e. your 5 billion row Oracle DB.
at least with vmware VI3, Oracle, specifically, and other databases such as *SQL, Exchange, etc, actually perform better in a virtualized environment.
please note that this is not an out-of-box solution, or something attainable through a point and click wizard. a couple of years ago, this would be correct. today, at least on vmware (and i would assume virtualiron, xen, and all the others too, either now, or in the near future), high I/O VMs virtualize very well.
a lot of this has to do with cheap hardware. SAS drives are falling in price, though slowly. thank companies like pre-Dell Equallogic, LeftHand, Compellent, etc for bringing higher-end SAN equipment to the large market of the SMB. multi-core, multi-CPU, with memory scalable to hundreds of gigs now costs roughly the same as a crappy used car. even fibre equipment, while crazy expensive, has dropped in price. thank media and art departments demanding Apple Final Cut, an inexpensive Apple/Promise SAN, and separately, the demand for web-facing databases offering real-time functionality.
things are changing in storage, virtualization, and infrastructure.
blame != punishment. you listen to the politicians now, especially with what's happened in recent days, and they blame big business. sometimes they blame the unnamed corrupt "they" in the federal government (and of course, everyone acts like the "they" doesn't include them). beyond that, nobody focuses on the "regular" people who helped dig the hole. how can we expect anything to change if we don't address the whole problem?
We used to hold our politicians accountable to the law.
we used to hold everyone accountable, not just if it was easy. these days, we gladly do nothing to anyone. we've gotten lazy. we watch people, politicians, celebrities, etc do things right in front of our face, but choose to do nothing. look at the housing crisis. the lenders surely share in the blame, but what about all the people who over-extended themselves on loans that are widely known and accepted to be stupid, risky, and so on. there isn't much discussion about laying a portion of the blame at the feet of these people. and regarding the corporations, people mostly just talk shit and point fingers. (and give execs, who are forced to leave their companies after aiding in this financial destruction, millions of dollars in severance funds)
there is no accountability. for words, actions, anything.
why not standardization on the hardware level, instead? then, almost all code written for the hardware would be "generic" and "native".
on another note, seems like taking the quadro and firegl lines to the consumers, and then going the next step. assuming that the GPU in fact, does not go away.
Good point. My big issue has always been heat. Laptops aren't made to do serious number crunching, rendering, etc. The hard drives aren't typically meant for constant use. I play wow on occasion, on my HP nc6400, and ventilation can be a serious problem. I've seen CPU temps nearing 80c.
This is a machine that's about 1.5 years old, has dedicated video card, etc. About the only other thing that I can think of to keep internal temperatures down is to upgrade from 2gb to 4gb of RAM and do away with the swap file.
I can only imagine a machine from a company like Acer or Dell, with cheaper components and typically shoddier internal layout and design. I'd love a laptop to play games on, but it doesn't seem practical, unless you consider your laptop a throw-away item. I've resolved to not care too much for mine anymore, and will use it till it dies. Which I would expect within the next 6 months or so, if I keep up the gaming.
are you familiar with the term commodity hardware? basically, it's cheap, expandable, easy to implement. and you can toss it and replace it pretty easily, for a small expense.
in this sense, windows and linux are the same. they are not hpux or aix, or any other serious platform. they're disposable.
so, to basically say they're not vax/vms, as if it's a bad thing, and not the way it was intended to be in the first place, is a bit short-sighted.
um. so you just resign yourself to lose data every time, as opposed to maybe saving the data?
can i work at your shop? i have limited experience, but can probably figure out how to make emotional decisions instead of business decisions. and anybody can shoot from the hip.
let me know...
every freaking time. i was about to ask the same question.
i have twc in tx, and i've never had issues with connection speed or throughput. i have 10mbit. as far as i know, there's plent of people around here that have cable internet as well.
when i had slower service, it was still speedy and responsive. so, i don't know what the poster is talking about. can some pages take a while longer to load than others? yes, of course. but don't necessarily assume it's because of my connection. it could just as easily be the company's connection to blame. and don't forget about the large flash ads, etc, that take up much of the bandwidth anyway....
i've started looking for deals on HP workstations. with up to 8gb of ram, onboard RAID, gig ethernet, and a higher-end component-base in general, all i have to do is throw in a video card (for gaming) and i'm off.
i started with an open-box xw4300 (P4, 3ghz), and recently moved onto an open-box xw4400 (c2d 2.4)
i picked mine up from a major IT reseller (focused on SMB/Enterprise sales). i once saw an open box xw* with a DC opteron 2ghz+ for sale for around $500.
that's my recommendation. time is money, and frankly, the novelty of building the same system over and over again wore off long ago...
...err...make that foul languange and discrimination...
but i stayed for the women and booze (clearly)
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insensitive commie clod!
what happens if these companies decide to try enforcing the EULAs?
MIT offers online courses for free, and many of the books they use are available in electronic format. Some of the ones I've seen online textbooks for are the intro to programming and intro to networks. Might be worth checking out.
ever hear of hpux?
use text vs. calling on your cell phone
my cell phone company makes me pay more for text, even though i hear my phone uses the same radio technology to send/receive text as voice, and that these days, voice is really just any old data when transmitted.
are we to surmise what we may already suspect (or know)? that text messaging is really easier for cell phone companies to deal with than voice?
shouldn't that make it less expensive?
Turn the servers off.
or explain to the powers that be what heat does to IT equipment, and what a complete failure could mean for their future and everyone's livelihood.
Local schools seem to be the worse offenders. They constantly bitch and moan about lack of funds, then piss away a pile of cash on a site license for Microsoft Office so they can teach their word processing course.
so, there isn't such a thing as a "site license" for Office. it's per seat, no matter how you license it. which means that if they're wasting money (ie overpaying) it's because they over-estimated the total seat-count. Academic licensing is freaking ridiculous cheap. Especially if you're talking about a school district, etc, which will likely at least have a Select agreement.
I'm ok with embracing open source. But to what extent? And at what point does it cease to be embracing, and begin to be forcing. Do you want your 7th grade intro to lit teacher trying to use a man page? Do you want to be the help-desk walking them through that?
I'm no advocate of Microsoft or Windows, but the reason so many companies and organizations use it is ease of use. you install it, maybe install drivers, and then you go. it may not be super effecient for the hardware, it may not be as customizable as an open-source alternative, but for your average user, that's exactly the benefit. And for companies and organizations that associate a cost with every trip to someone's desk to reset X-11, or remind someone that the commands are case-sensitive, it often works out to be cheaper.
why is it so difficult to deploy certain OSes or software where it makes sense? Give GIMP to everyone but your designers. Give OpenOffice to those who have no strict MS Office requirements. But don't force *everyone* to jump on the free open source software bandwagon. It doesn't suit everyone, or their needs.
It's one thing for a business to choose the more expensive option, the people making the choices must eventually answer to their stockholders. Well, as a voter, I'm a stockholder in my country. Wasting truckloads of money for no good reason means I'm going to vote your ass off the board of directors.
another thought, it can actually *save* an organization money to buy things like MS Office. the way licensing works, if you do a company-wide option on your Open Value program, this means you license *every* PC that *could* run Windows and Office Professional for Windows Current-Version and Office Professional Plus. There's a savings involved with this option, and there are exceptions (for example pick-and-place machines that run Windows NT, etc).
anyway, there's more to the story than just "wasting money". it's not as simple as that, and it's widely accepted in the corporate world, and others, that *support*, and costs that don't have a line-item can make a free or more-inexpensive product cost more than the proprietary for-cost product.
Honesty: The absence of the intent to deceive.
but, when you said:
"Sorry I'm late getting to work, boss. I'm not feeling well. You know there's some kind of nasty bug going around."
were you just trying to warn your boss that there's a nasty bug going around, or was your intent to mislead them (i.e. deceive)?
end users, office schmucks, and regular people use windows. because it's quick and easy. you do realize that the nasa datacenter runs linux? last i heard it was a redhat variant, but i'm sure that's changed. boeing and lockheed, since they do so much government work, and likely designed at least parts of the *nix-like systems at the true core of the DOD's systems, almost certainly do as well. every enterprise i know of deploys linux or unix where it makes sense, and windows where it makes sense.
desktops and laptops are throw-away items, and, aside from specialized users (who would receive or would have already received specialized training) - nobody wants to train a spreadsheet-maker or report typer how to use csh, or fix X when it crashes, or use emacs, vi, or even cat when things go crazy. unless you're offering?
on another note, i'd be willing to bet that a majority of the peole who whine or poke fun of windows is running on a windows box.