Actually I seem to remember that when Jobs joined they had $5 billion in the bank. Granted they have 5 times that much, but they were far from bankrupt.
Less proprietary vs more proprietary.... Isn't that like saying less pregnant vs more pregnant? Apple's codec is still completely closed right? Even on the drm-free crap? So you're still tied to itunes correct? I'll stick to ogg-vorbis thanks.
Well uh do you like drinking swimming pool water? A little too strong a taste of chlorine? Well that's maybe 4 parts per million. Want to take another look at that drano-impregnated h20? Consider also that drinking the water and living in it are two different things. Imagine the air you breathe having a 1/4200 ratio of something like ammonia. I think that would eventually suck. Bottom line is their actions will kill stuff and there doesn't seem to be a justification for killing said stuff.
I agree. ROR seems to be developing a large following among people who are sick of writing crap PHP/MySQL apps and are looking for an alternative... a clean start. While they're porting the PHP to the "next level" why not port the MySQL data to the next level as well? Not much extra work but the payback will be great as (if) their system grows. I wonder how hard it would be to include both?
I've seen tons of complaints here and attached to the original article page demanding why google maps doesn't highlight [insert favorite genocidal nightmare here].
Remember that what they're doing is free. They didn't have to do anything at all -- which I bet is what 99.9% of all the bitchers have done about [insert favorite genocidal nightmare here] or Darfur.
So quit your bitching and learn. Maybe... just maybe google plans to expand what it's doing to other issues. They didn't add a "Global Awareness layer" to the application just to highlight one issue did they?
I'm a luddite I admit, but what makes IM so great?
Instant gratification? Even e-mail is not as instantaneous as IMs are. Far less spam. Granted IM is getting spammed, but not at the rate that e-mail is.
Bah. I'm not looking for instant gratifcation in my work -- I'm looking for solidity, trustworthiness, and industry standards. GAIM is fine (I have that on my Linux box) but all my clients use email and IRC. Email separates topics much better for me. Between graylisting and dspam, my spam problem is just about nil (1 or 2 a day for the hundred or so emails I get).
Is there a way to catalog the information into a searchable index?
See my previous answer. If you log, you can search those logs using GAIM. Not real hard. Tons of other programs offer this option as well.
Again: Bah. Why search through what amounts to a bunch of text files when I can filter messages so much more accurately (and quickly) using email. No need to grep through a bunch of text files or guess which text file to search.
How can you "forward" an im to another person or group of people? Can you thread the information into a cohesive timeline?
Logs have timestamps. Marvelous little thing that tells you the date and time a message was sent. Forwarding messages might be possible. Worst case you copy and paste. Most chat systems also offer chat room options. AOL IM offers you the ability to create a room and invite the people you want to it. This can be accomplished and logged with the above.
Hrm email has those timestamps, and I can thread the messages for cohesive timelines and a topic-oriented search. I don't care what "might" be possible, it still doesn't prove the viability of IM over email.
As far as inviting people into my chat room, why bother? I don't forward an email until after the information arrives that I need to forward. Inviting somebody into my chat room after I have information for them means I have to copy and paste whatever I learned, repeating the info, and cluttering my logs.
I definitely have uses for irc (which is kinda like im I guess) but if it were my sole means of electronic communication I wouldn't get anything done. What am I missing?
Obviously a lot. IM is coming into increasing usage. We have a Jabber server at work for all internal communications, it is used more than the e-mail system or the phones are. I actually have to get up from my desk once a day just to make sure that people are really in this place. I do not know how big it will be with inter-office communications, especially considering a lot of companies headed by older execs still don't use e-mail well. (Trust me, plenty of offices are still sending TONS of paper memos.)
Why would I trust you? You act like a dick. I asked a simple set of questions for some well reasoned answers, not a bunch of sanctimonious condescension. You haven't provided one reason why IM will replace email.
I'm a luddite I admit, but what makes IM so great?
There's no way to archive the messages is there?
Is there a way to catalog the information into a searchable index?
How can you "forward" an im to another person or group of people? Can you thread the information into a cohesive timeline?
I definitely have uses for irc (which is kinda like im I guess) but if it were my sole means of electronic communication I wouldn't get anything done. What am I missing?
Sweet, we can have an "ecosystem" made of racoons, rats, flies, rats, coyotes, jellyfish, and more rats, because that's the "natural" way of it, since we humans are part of the ecosystem you know. Maybe we were 60,000 years ago, but for the last 11000 years it's been a quest to remove ourselves from that system.
This isn't about a species adapting to "its conditions," it's about a species adapting to our conditions -- and that's where the problem lies. Not every species lives on McDonald's, olestra, and motor oil.
And hah. Like we as a species would have any inclination to take all the racoons, rats, flies, rats, coyotes, and jellyfish off this rotted husk of a planet when we leave. We can't even save the species we "like." And we'll have to leave (or die) looooong before the sun explodes because we'll have made this place uninhabitable.
Last, has it occured to you that we might possibly need some of the species that are in danger? I'm not talking about to fill our days with educational documentaries, but to actually help cure some of the diseases that we are so adept at creating for instance.
Oooh money! Big deal. I'll take your "irrelevant" species any time over letting some ass-jack build a bunch of McMansions that nobody needs, or another frikken outlet mall or whatever.
Do your research before you start building, or better yet, buy an existing facility. And if you're in a line of work where you're desperately terrified of something, and it doesn't involve killing people then maybe it's not worth it at all.
With such a low unemployment rate as we have, I don't think those 40 people are going to end up on the streets, unless you're into hiring the dregs of society.
You're right that the key is balance, and in the most industrialized countries the balance is completely whacked.
It's one thing to choose to be a journalist. You're already heading down the slippery slope to ignonimy because of the state of that industry. But to want to be a game journalist... *shudder* I mean think of the future man! 50 years from now you're sitting around telling your grandkids about that great review of Evil Chainsaw you did back in 2006?!? Is that how you want to go down in life?
Here's one. Open up GIMP. Hit Ctrl-n for a new document. Hit return. What? Nothing happens? Oh you have to either hit the tab key literally ten times, or your hands leave the keyboard to click OK. This is because there isn't a default Template selected I suppose. This is GIMP 2.2.7.
I don't care how Photoshop or anybody else does it, and I don't care that it only wastes one second of my time, it shows a real lack of attention to detail and a disrespect for common user interactions that you find with any other application I can think of. When I hit Ctrl-n I want a new document.
No the real argument to make is that people like me need to complain to GIMP, not to/.
And that's the funniest part about all this. Skimming through the comments I see everybody complaining about the current GIMP, not about what this new engine is going to offer. That's funny.
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Are you defining faith as any ill-founded blind belief? I think many scientists would disagree with that. Lots of fine scientists get along fine looking into the questions of life, the universe, and everything scientifically but still having a strong faith in something beyond 42.
You're just reflecting the modern western attitude that the two must be enemies where in fact they have coexisted among intelligent people for centuries before this current idiocy we call a presidental term.
The cool thing is, it's alright not to have faith, but to still respect it.
Now where religion fits into all this I have no idea.
Maybe the problem isn't Job's presentation at all but Kahney's interpretation of it. Maybe his life is just lacking that certain spark. Bad relationship? Drugs not working any more? Maybe it is going to take some new iColored something to get Kahney up again because, darnit, life is just so... bleak.
Okay time to stop... I'm going to cry, and I'm sure you are too. Let's just try to keep it together for Leander's sake. It's always hard to see somebody lose their Mac-live verve for life. Send positive energy now....
For all we know the guy has a fallback in place. He just wants to know how to avoid having to use it. That's the thing about fallbacks, they're a fall. Back. Best only for worst case scenarios, and a good designer wants to plan for those scenarios, but also try to avoid them.
Now lets come back to the real world: If you haven't dabbled in windows ever then you're either a recent jail escapee or very good at digging one's own head deeply into sand.
I'm not the first to say it in this thread, but before Christmas 2005 I touched Windows once in the last 7 years. It hasn't been my primary work OS since 1994, and my head has remained above ground and out from behind bars for that entire time.
But does your algorithm on some days just not *want* to learn?
Ask anyone who's dabbled with neural networks or learning algorithms. The answer is, hell yes...
And how complex have those networks gotten?
If you can't mimic those sight and smell accurately, how can you mimic a dog's soul?
Ah, I thought we'd be using the S-word after a while. The answer to this question is, first define 'soul'.
I summed it up below but I'll do it again:
... but I guarantee they wouldn't be the same without the life experience to...
Because we were talking about dogs, not humans?
Poing being one could argue that we're all made of "symbolic processing elements." If accurate robot dogs are so simple (just toss together a neural net, some symbolic processing elements. Sprinkle liberally with learning algorithms and bake at 350 for an hour), why haven't we made a robotic human that's useful yet?
Having not read the article, (no surprise) I have no idea what excuse they have for a dog they created. Can it fight? Can it f*ck? Can it guard you (but not your annoying cousin)? How long would it live 5 miles from any civilization before it tipped over in a ditch and just pumped it legs in the air til the batteries ran out?
But does your algorithm on some days just not *want* to learn? Would it rather sit and watch the other algorithms learn, then maybe decide to kick one's ass just for the hell of it? That's what my and my wife's dog does watching our other dogs play.
You could simulate these actions maybe, but I guarantee they wouldn't be the same without the life experience to back it up.
Do you realize how little we understand about another creature's perceptions? People still argue about dog sight, for instance, and as yet no technology can beat a dog's smell, which is completely incomprehensible to us. Believe it or not, perception is key to intelligence and learning. If you can't mimic those sight and smell accurately, how can you mimic a dog's soul?
It just seems like nobody wants anything real anymore.
And given that both computers and dogs are both made of symbolic processing elements...
I see you conveniently left humans out of that sentence. Why?
That the information is nonfictional is not necessarily guaranteed with blogs. With a real article part of the process is supposedly to use a fact checker before publishing, just to make sure the article is accurate. There is no such process for blogs. That's the difference between journalism and its articles and blogs and their... blogs.
I think you're describing Linux from its birth to about 1999. Then the community started being shamed into making interfaces "easier."
Now, to expand on what you said, the problem is that most Linux developers don't appear to have any interface design experience and thus rely on what *they* think easy is.
However, window managers like KDE and GNOME are beginning a trickle-down effect. Any major Linux window manager is pretty easy to use, once you get it installed and configured. But using myself as an example, I'm writing this from a 19" monitor with a Radeon with 128MB VRAM... at 1024 by 768 because I can't get into the BIOS to configure the proper kernel arguments because my USB keyboard isn't supported even though an identical one...
well you get the idea. It's a top-down UI evolution going on with Linux right now, but it has a long way to go from an intuitive windowing environment to the rest of the core.
Apple, of course, beat Linux to the punch in taming Unix. But, gosh-darnit, it's just so girly -- the arrogently egocentric vision of a balding vegetarian in a turtleneck and $200 jeans.
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Actually I seem to remember that when Jobs joined they had $5 billion in the bank. Granted they have 5 times that much, but they were far from bankrupt.
That's been around for months hasn't it? What's the big deal?
Oh I don't know. How about this or this.
Spoken like a true techie (with no marketing experience)
Less proprietary vs more proprietary .... Isn't that like saying less pregnant vs more pregnant? Apple's codec is still completely closed right? Even on the drm-free crap? So you're still tied to itunes correct? I'll stick to ogg-vorbis thanks.
Well uh do you like drinking swimming pool water? A little too strong a taste of chlorine? Well that's maybe 4 parts per million. Want to take another look at that drano-impregnated h20? Consider also that drinking the water and living in it are two different things. Imagine the air you breathe having a 1/4200 ratio of something like ammonia. I think that would eventually suck. Bottom line is their actions will kill stuff and there doesn't seem to be a justification for killing said stuff.
I agree. ROR seems to be developing a large following among people who are sick of writing crap PHP/MySQL apps and are looking for an alternative ... a clean start. While they're porting the PHP to the "next level" why not port the MySQL data to the next level as well? Not much extra work but the payback will be great as (if) their system grows. I wonder how hard it would be to include both?
I've seen tons of complaints here and attached to the original article page demanding why google maps doesn't highlight [insert favorite genocidal nightmare here]. Remember that what they're doing is free. They didn't have to do anything at all -- which I bet is what 99.9% of all the bitchers have done about [insert favorite genocidal nightmare here] or Darfur. So quit your bitching and learn. Maybe ... just maybe google plans to expand what it's doing to other issues. They didn't add a "Global Awareness layer" to the application just to highlight one issue did they?
Bah. I'm not looking for instant gratifcation in my work -- I'm looking for solidity, trustworthiness, and industry standards. GAIM is fine (I have that on my Linux box) but all my clients use email and IRC. Email separates topics much better for me. Between graylisting and dspam, my spam problem is just about nil (1 or 2 a day for the hundred or so emails I get).
Is there a way to catalog the information into a searchable index?
Again: Bah. Why search through what amounts to a bunch of text files when I can filter messages so much more accurately (and quickly) using email. No need to grep through a bunch of text files or guess which text file to search.
How can you "forward" an im to another person or group of people? Can you thread the information into a cohesive timeline?
Hrm email has those timestamps, and I can thread the messages for cohesive timelines and a topic-oriented search. I don't care what "might" be possible, it still doesn't prove the viability of IM over email.
As far as inviting people into my chat room, why bother? I don't forward an email until after the information arrives that I need to forward. Inviting somebody into my chat room after I have information for them means I have to copy and paste whatever I learned, repeating the info, and cluttering my logs.
I definitely have uses for irc (which is kinda like im I guess) but if it were my sole means of electronic communication I wouldn't get anything done. What am I missing?
Why would I trust you? You act like a dick. I asked a simple set of questions for some well reasoned answers, not a bunch of sanctimonious condescension. You haven't provided one reason why IM will replace email.
... that I only eat free range bison.
I'm a luddite I admit, but what makes IM so great?
There's no way to archive the messages is there?
Is there a way to catalog the information into a searchable index?
How can you "forward" an im to another person or group of people? Can you thread the information into a cohesive timeline?
I definitely have uses for irc (which is kinda like im I guess) but if it were my sole means of electronic communication I wouldn't get anything done. What am I missing?
Sweet, we can have an "ecosystem" made of racoons, rats, flies, rats, coyotes, jellyfish, and more rats, because that's the "natural" way of it, since we humans are part of the ecosystem you know. Maybe we were 60,000 years ago, but for the last 11000 years it's been a quest to remove ourselves from that system.
This isn't about a species adapting to "its conditions," it's about a species adapting to our conditions -- and that's where the problem lies. Not every species lives on McDonald's, olestra, and motor oil.
And hah. Like we as a species would have any inclination to take all the racoons, rats, flies, rats, coyotes, and jellyfish off this rotted husk of a planet when we leave. We can't even save the species we "like." And we'll have to leave (or die) looooong before the sun explodes because we'll have made this place uninhabitable.
Last, has it occured to you that we might possibly need some of the species that are in danger? I'm not talking about to fill our days with educational documentaries, but to actually help cure some of the diseases that we are so adept at creating for instance.
Oooh money! Big deal. I'll take your "irrelevant" species any time over letting some ass-jack build a bunch of McMansions that nobody needs, or another frikken outlet mall or whatever.
Do your research before you start building, or better yet, buy an existing facility. And if you're in a line of work where you're desperately terrified of something, and it doesn't involve killing people then maybe it's not worth it at all.
With such a low unemployment rate as we have, I don't think those 40 people are going to end up on the streets, unless you're into hiring the dregs of society.
You're right that the key is balance, and in the most industrialized countries the balance is completely whacked.
It's one thing to choose to be a journalist. You're already heading down the slippery slope to ignonimy because of the state of that industry. But to want to be a game journalist ... *shudder* I mean think of the future man! 50 years from now you're sitting around telling your grandkids about that great review of Evil Chainsaw you did back in 2006?!? Is that how you want to go down in life?
Here's one. Open up GIMP. Hit Ctrl-n for a new document. Hit return. What? Nothing happens? Oh you have to either hit the tab key literally ten times, or your hands leave the keyboard to click OK. This is because there isn't a default Template selected I suppose. This is GIMP 2.2.7.
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I don't care how Photoshop or anybody else does it, and I don't care that it only wastes one second of my time, it shows a real lack of attention to detail and a disrespect for common user interactions that you find with any other application I can think of. When I hit Ctrl-n I want a new document.
No the real argument to make is that people like me need to complain to GIMP, not to
And that's the funniest part about all this. Skimming through the comments I see everybody complaining about the current GIMP, not about what this new engine is going to offer. That's funny.
So
Are you defining faith as any ill-founded blind belief? I think many scientists would disagree with that. Lots of fine scientists get along fine looking into the questions of life, the universe, and everything scientifically but still having a strong faith in something beyond 42.
You're just reflecting the modern western attitude that the two must be enemies where in fact they have coexisted among intelligent people for centuries before this current idiocy we call a presidental term.
The cool thing is, it's alright not to have faith, but to still respect it.
Now where religion fits into all this I have no idea.
Maybe the problem isn't Job's presentation at all but Kahney's interpretation of it. Maybe his life is just lacking that certain spark. Bad relationship? Drugs not working any more? Maybe it is going to take some new iColored something to get Kahney up again because, darnit, life is just so ... bleak.
... I'm going to cry, and I'm sure you are too. Let's just try to keep it together for Leander's sake. It's always hard to see somebody lose their Mac-live verve for life. Send positive energy now ....
Okay time to stop
For all we know the guy has a fallback in place. He just wants to know how to avoid having to use it. That's the thing about fallbacks, they're a fall. Back. Best only for worst case scenarios, and a good designer wants to plan for those scenarios, but also try to avoid them.
So what exactly is the difference between a 'blogger' and a 'journalist'?
The difference is OVERSIGHT. If you are your own fact checker, you aren't a journalist.
Now lets come back to the real world: If you haven't dabbled in windows ever then you're either a recent jail escapee or very good at digging one's own head deeply into sand.
I'm not the first to say it in this thread, but before Christmas 2005 I touched Windows once in the last 7 years. It hasn't been my primary work OS since 1994, and my head has remained above ground and out from behind bars for that entire time.
Ask anyone who's dabbled with neural networks or learning algorithms. The answer is, hell yes...
And how complex have those networks gotten?
If you can't mimic those sight and smell accurately, how can you mimic a dog's soul?
Ah, I thought we'd be using the S-word after a while. The answer to this question is, first define 'soul'.
I summed it up below but I'll do it again:
Because we were talking about dogs, not humans?
Poing being one could argue that we're all made of "symbolic processing elements." If accurate robot dogs are so simple (just toss together a neural net, some symbolic processing elements. Sprinkle liberally with learning algorithms and bake at 350 for an hour), why haven't we made a robotic human that's useful yet?
Having not read the article, (no surprise) I have no idea what excuse they have for a dog they created. Can it fight? Can it f*ck? Can it guard you (but not your annoying cousin)? How long would it live 5 miles from any civilization before it tipped over in a ditch and just pumped it legs in the air til the batteries ran out?
But does your algorithm on some days just not *want* to learn? Would it rather sit and watch the other algorithms learn, then maybe decide to kick one's ass just for the hell of it? That's what my and my wife's dog does watching our other dogs play.
...
You could simulate these actions maybe, but I guarantee they wouldn't be the same without the life experience to back it up.
Do you realize how little we understand about another creature's perceptions? People still argue about dog sight, for instance, and as yet no technology can beat a dog's smell, which is completely incomprehensible to us. Believe it or not, perception is key to intelligence and learning. If you can't mimic those sight and smell accurately, how can you mimic a dog's soul?
It just seems like nobody wants anything real anymore.
And given that both computers and dogs are both made of symbolic processing elements
I see you conveniently left humans out of that sentence. Why?
That the information is nonfictional is not necessarily guaranteed with blogs. With a real article part of the process is supposedly to use a fact checker before publishing, just to make sure the article is accurate. There is no such process for blogs. That's the difference between journalism and its articles and blogs and their ... blogs.
I think you're describing Linux from its birth to about 1999. Then the community started being shamed into making interfaces "easier."
... at 1024 by 768 because I can't get into the BIOS to configure the proper kernel arguments because my USB keyboard isn't supported even though an identical one ...
Now, to expand on what you said, the problem is that most Linux developers don't appear to have any interface design experience and thus rely on what *they* think easy is.
However, window managers like KDE and GNOME are beginning a trickle-down effect. Any major Linux window manager is pretty easy to use, once you get it installed and configured. But using myself as an example, I'm writing this from a 19" monitor with a Radeon with 128MB VRAM
well you get the idea. It's a top-down UI evolution going on with Linux right now, but it has a long way to go from an intuitive windowing environment to the rest of the core.
Apple, of course, beat Linux to the punch in taming Unix. But, gosh-darnit, it's just so girly -- the arrogently egocentric vision of a balding vegetarian in a turtleneck and $200 jeans.