So scrolling down I noticed most of the messages are about how bad programmers are nowdays (while discussing facebook, linkedin, etc. apps). That's just silly. These apps are not huge because nobody at facebook knows how to develop an application... such an assertion is stupid, and it's not true.
Reality is often a lot different than what we (geeks) want it to be. It is not 1998 anymore, and modern requirements are forcing developers to make compromises that usually affect size and resource usage, and most geeks don't care about those compromises, but most users do.
So you might be fine with a webpage that uses no JS, no CSS, just a couple of sprites and text and looks like it's been made in 1997, but common people (that companies generate money from) do care about site being sleek, modern and functional; something that just cannot be accomplished without using some kind of libraries that make life easier under pressure.
Now carry on thinking how everybody else is stupid because they don't develop web sites in ASM.
> The EU has given us more power, more control and more sovereignty. Look at how strong consumer rights and employment rights are under it. Look at how the EU is able to tell the US to go fuck itself when it suits us.
When the hell did EU say fuck off to US ? When they downed an airplane carrying a president to find Snowden perhaps (with 0 evidence) ? They're forcing European countries daily to do something... latest is Russian sanctions, which hurt more european economies than the Russians. This is not something EU came up with, it happened after US intervened. Same as bombing other countries, usually happens on US initiative. Are you kidding me ?
> Outside the EU, we have countries lining up to screw us. How is being forced to accept US farming standards, far inferior to our own, "taking back control" or increasing our sovereignty?
What countries are lining up to screw us ? Don't be ridiculous. The only thing that is "lining to screw the UK" is tens of thousands people that don't care about british culture, and more coming in every day. This is how people feel, and this is why percentage of votes for brexit was so high. If it wasn't now, it would happen in 4-10 years.
> The EU is getting stronger. The far right and the populists have been exposed and rejected. Support for the EU is up, it's reforming itself and pushing ahead with the project now that the UK can't hold it back.
EU getting stronger ? I never met an European (and I'm an European) that thinks EU will survive this decade, or maybe next one. Just wait till Portugal, Greece, Spain and now Croatia too, run out of money again, it's inevitable.. it's just a matter of time. The only thing EU can do is keep on giving money to them, and by EU I mean Germans.. a country that would collapse if it wasn't for the EUR, as going back to Deutsche Mark would ruin them as everybody elses currency would be crap compared to DM.. and hence nobody would be able to afford anything Germany has to produce. You think Germany is just throwing money at everybody because it's their thing ?
Brexit is a beginning of the end. The end is far ahead of us, so shortsighted cannot see it, but it's there. If you prefer to bury your head in the sand and pretend everything is great, then for sure.. carry on.
Me ? I don't care either way. I emigrated to Asia. Good luck.
> Considering the mental health field has been moving steadily away from classifying Gender Dysphoria as a mental illness, I'm not sure that argument's as useful as you think it is.
Give it couple of decades, autism is not going to be mental illness. When it comes to psychology it all comes down to what we accept, not what it actually is. Soft science I heard people call it. As such, it looses all meaning if it's up to what people will accept.
Now, you can accept transgender people or gay people, as I do.. and most others, but to call them "normal" in it's purest sense (the usual, average, or typical state or condition), you cannot, because they're not your usual/average or typical mammal walking about.
I sometimes drink with transgenders, and the ones I know are awesome bunch.. but they have, as all groups do, their good side and bad sides. The ones that had surgeries to remove their penis, and a dozen other surgeries have serious problems with self control, i don't know why.. this is just what i seen, on the other hand... I don't know any of the transgenders would actually join the war and go kill some strangers. Most of them I know are fun loving people., and i cannot imagine them going to war, although statistically there must be some brainwashed drones willing to kill, and some that hate Trump so they'll speak up against this just because it's Trump, not because they have any valid argument.
We all have some sort of mental illness, and we're all perfectly healthy individuals.
> Repeat slowly until it sinks in: STATE. RUN. MEDIA. SOURCE.
I was born in communist and grew up in post communist country (albeit it has nothing to do with Russian or Chinese communism), and the state run media channel(s), specifically HRT 1,2,3 which translates to Croatian Radio Television was the best media source you could wish for. I understand what you mean, but this is not exclusive to state run media.
Your media, Leftist CNN is total brainwashing BS, same as Right wing Breitbart, and as a news source it cannot be even compared to the HRT from the 80s or late 90s. While there was a lot of bullshit on these local state run TV channels when it comes to news and politics, the rest of the programming was extraordinary, and it was tailored to the people and not whoever pays for the ads.
They had rules such as limitation (of 30 seconds) on how long the AD can run on the TV, and how often (once an hour). Best documentaries and children programming on state run TV at the right time of day. Family friendly movies and tv shows Music and art programming, both local and foreign List goes on... (list of things that you cannot literally find a channel like this anymore, anywhere in the western world)
I understand that you're brainwashed to think that every "state" is or should be treated as an enemy, but there are cases when the state is not trying to screw you. Can you imagine that ?
Where I'm from, TV was from the people FOR the people. These crap private TV networks that exist now, that most of you think is normal to have... holy mother of god, kill me now.
> Hire competent C developers and you should be good to go. Hire dumb-asses and sure the future doesn't look bright.
And where do these competent ones work at ? Microsoft, yahoo, apple, Linux kernel developers ? Where are they ?
Oh right, I see. Microsoft, Apple and Linux Kernel don't have bugs at all./Sarcasm. They have bugs, may of them critical, once a month, and they continue to have those bugs. I remember RCE in kernel in 2001, had one couple of weeks ago again. It will be another one in 2019,2020,etc. and it will never be better, until things fundamentally change. Changing a language... well, might be a good idea, but you won't know it unless it's tried.
It's not about being a "good" programmer, it's about being human. If you have to think about 70 different things, sooner or later, you'll make a mistake. Got in a fight with the missus, she's considering leaving ? Oh well.. yes, it's 08am, better go to work write some code...get payed you know. That alimony, the car and the house won't pay for themselves.
You nerds completely take out humanity out of everything. Even if you find couple of robotic ones that make no mistakes (and i'm sure there are some like that), there are trillions and trillions of lines code out there, you think these few ones will make the world a better place ?
We've been using C to write low level software for decades. This is where we are. If you think everything is peachy... then sure, don't change anything.
> When the Russians get their hands on cyber intelligence, they exploit it
As opposed to Americans, who handle information in a way that benefit the greater good ? (/Sarcasm) (Do i really need to provide links ?)
Get off your moral high horse already. You don't want to cooperate with anyone, you want to do things that are in your own interests, and get whoever you can to support your own interests (read: spineless Europeans vassal states). Cooperating with Russia would undermine common American interests and hence it's not good for America, because the Russians, have their own interests.
Has nothing to do with the already stupidly boring narrative "Russians are Evil" that is constantly being rammed into minds of commoners through the popular media channels. By the way, if you going to talk evil, talk about your own politicians and foreign policies that turn at least one country to dust and cause 50 years of political instability in the region every ~ 10 years. I see more evil committed by USG than in Stalin's wildest dreams. You just pack it better, hollywood style, a polished turd for ready for people to eat up and feel better about themselves at next election.
> However, I'm not sure I have a problem with the business' HR searching through publicly available data a person self publishes for the world. What I do in a pub with mates is also 'public'. Maybe I should take the HR down with me one Saturday, so they can make notes on my behavior ?
It's not what I publish to the world.. there's private life and things that I publish privately for my close friends and family to see, and there's professional life that is completely separate from the former.
I'm on internet since 1998 roughly. I'm 32 now... so started pretty young. I also spend 10+ hours on the computer per day, since 2001), so one can say internet is pretty important thing in my life, more so to me than to these that got _harassed_ probably.
First thing, most people are just asking for it. They subconsciously dig themselves into these holes, like they are unknowingly addicted to drama. It's like ghost stories.. the only people that seem to see ghosts are those people that believe in ghosts.
Furthermore, "Cyber" bullying ? Seriously ? Bullying is if i slap the shit out of you, yell at you, and take your lunch money, and I REPEAT it every day. That's bullying. Somebody wrote a nasty comment on your facebook ? Are you kidding me ? Maybe I have this attitude because I "grew up" on IRC in early 2000s where these "abuses" were actually just a normal day, and I seen real bullying in the same time at school, but anything that happens on internet is totally insignificant, it's bordering make-believe, especially if you connect to internet with that intent, and it's not that hard people. Why take internet and platforms on it such as social media so seriously ?
Maybe this is happening because people choose to upload their lives on retarded platforms like facebook, maybe not, either way... you have control over it all, so all you doing calling this bullying is marginalizing real bullying. There's only one life that matters, and it's called Real Life.
I'm sure there are hordes of geeks that will attack me for saying cyber is make believe.. but that's just uh... like, your opinion man. And screw them too.
.. until people realize they are the problem, not the companies.
It's the consumerism, the mentality, that is the problem.
But in a debt based economy, industries cannot function without consumerism, so pick. You have to give up on a lot of stuff if you want to solve this problem, not the companies. They will crumble, as a consequence of you consuming only bare minimum.
But go on, downvote this and buy a hybrid car, and bitch about how evil Exxon, politicians, and everybody else is.. and how you one of the few that is not part of the problem.
In the meantime, if you want to know more try the documentary called (century of self) that will sum up how this is going on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Plans for something 20+ years ahead are retarded, there's no way to know the circumstances or predict what will be going on in 2040. More probably trying to score political points with stupid people.
Some other guy in 2038 will say "yeah.. we'll postpone this 20 more years, we're not ready".
Didn't you hear ? Everything wrong with the US is Trump's fault now, directly or indirectly. Even if it isn't. So concentrate on bashing Trump, not discussing this rationally.
> or as the industry likes to call it, "clean meat."
I mean just call it what it is... artificial or fake (shorter, and more precise) meat. So annoying this "industry", always have to imply that something they do is "better", cleaner, or moral (implying at the same time, that what we do is the opposite and wrong).
What's up with this ?
Also, if you don't eat meat, why make (or EAT) fake meat ? Why not stick to grass, nuts, carrots and potatoes and just leave it be ? It's like mormons. Going around the world and trying to make people think same way they think (the correct way, mind you)..
While I believe people are growing and changing, evolving (some are not) throughout their lives, I think the 20s are most critical, and people in their 20s should not raise a child.
What does a 25yr old have to offer to a child in terms of guidance and wisdom when the same 25yr old is just beginning his adult life and most are totally clueless about life. Even the older ones often are, but that's a different matter.
Similarly, most people are not assholes, but they think other people are, so they become assholes themselves and/or isolate themselves and stop trusting everybody hence contributing to the whole problem.
> "Despite repeatedly receiving special treatment at the expense of others, Ms Vandermeyden nonetheless chose to pursue a miscarriage of justice by suing Tesla and falsely attacking our company in the press,"...
Some of them expect special treatment even, and then bitch about it, or in this case, try to milk some money out of the company.. because.. women harassment, and "wage gap" is hip nowdays.
Isn't the point of (successful) attack/hijacking, whatever, NOT to be detected and identified ? Just the other day, some Russian ISP routed what, most of Visa & Mastercard traffic through their servers or something... happens often.. sometimes mistake, sometimes maybe not, but still they cannot keep doing it indefinitely.
Slashdot Mirror
In another dimension maybe.
I was just about to say.
Also, Greenland would be quite nice.. and it's largely uninhabited.
So scrolling down I noticed most of the messages are about how bad programmers are nowdays (while discussing facebook, linkedin, etc. apps).
That's just silly. These apps are not huge because nobody at facebook knows how to develop an application... such an assertion is stupid, and it's not true.
Reality is often a lot different than what we (geeks) want it to be. It is not 1998 anymore, and modern requirements are forcing developers to make compromises that usually affect size and resource usage, and most geeks don't care about those compromises, but most users do.
So you might be fine with a webpage that uses no JS, no CSS, just a couple of sprites and text and looks like it's been made in 1997, but common people (that companies generate money from) do care about site being sleek, modern and functional; something that just cannot be accomplished without using some kind of libraries that make life easier under pressure.
Now carry on thinking how everybody else is stupid because they don't develop web sites in ASM.
> The EU has given us more power, more control and more sovereignty. Look at how strong consumer rights and employment rights are under it. Look at how the EU is able to tell the US to go fuck itself when it suits us.
When the hell did EU say fuck off to US ? When they downed an airplane carrying a president to find Snowden perhaps (with 0 evidence) ?
They're forcing European countries daily to do something... latest is Russian sanctions, which hurt more european economies than the Russians. This is not something EU came up with, it happened after US intervened. Same as bombing other countries, usually happens on US initiative. Are you kidding me ?
> Outside the EU, we have countries lining up to screw us. How is being forced to accept US farming standards, far inferior to our own, "taking back control" or increasing our sovereignty?
What countries are lining up to screw us ? Don't be ridiculous. The only thing that is "lining to screw the UK" is tens of thousands people that don't care about british culture, and more coming in every day. This is how people feel, and this is why percentage of votes for brexit was so high. If it wasn't now, it would happen in 4-10 years.
> The EU is getting stronger. The far right and the populists have been exposed and rejected. Support for the EU is up, it's reforming itself and pushing ahead with the project now that the UK can't hold it back.
EU getting stronger ? I never met an European (and I'm an European) that thinks EU will survive this decade, or maybe next one. .. a country that would collapse if it wasn't for the EUR, as going back to Deutsche Mark would ruin them as everybody elses currency would be crap compared to DM.. and hence nobody would be able to afford anything Germany has to produce. You think Germany is just throwing money at everybody because it's their thing ?
Just wait till Portugal, Greece, Spain and now Croatia too, run out of money again, it's inevitable.. it's just a matter of time. The only thing EU can do is keep on giving money to them, and by EU I mean Germans
Brexit is a beginning of the end. The end is far ahead of us, so shortsighted cannot see it, but it's there. If you prefer to bury your head in the sand and pretend everything is great, then for sure.. carry on.
Me ? I don't care either way. I emigrated to Asia. Good luck.
> Considering the mental health field has been moving steadily away from classifying Gender Dysphoria as a mental illness, I'm not sure that argument's as useful as you think it is.
Give it couple of decades, autism is not going to be mental illness. When it comes to psychology it all comes down to what we accept, not what it actually is. Soft science I heard people call it. As such, it looses all meaning if it's up to what people will accept.
Now, you can accept transgender people or gay people, as I do.. and most others, but to call them "normal" in it's purest sense (the usual, average, or typical state or condition), you cannot, because they're not your usual/average or typical mammal walking about.
I sometimes drink with transgenders, and the ones I know are awesome bunch.. but they have, as all groups do, their good side and bad sides.
The ones that had surgeries to remove their penis, and a dozen other surgeries have serious problems with self control, i don't know why.. this is just what i seen, on the other hand... I don't know any of the transgenders would actually join the war and go kill some strangers.
Most of them I know are fun loving people., and i cannot imagine them going to war, although statistically there must be some brainwashed drones willing to kill, and some that hate Trump so they'll speak up against this just because it's Trump, not because they have any valid argument.
We all have some sort of mental illness, and we're all perfectly healthy individuals.
> Repeat slowly until it sinks in: STATE. RUN. MEDIA. SOURCE.
I was born in communist and grew up in post communist country (albeit it has nothing to do with Russian or Chinese communism), and the state run media channel(s), specifically HRT 1,2,3 which translates to Croatian Radio Television was the best media source you could wish for. I understand what you mean, but this is not exclusive to state run media.
Your media, Leftist CNN is total brainwashing BS, same as Right wing Breitbart, and as a news source it cannot be even compared to the HRT from the 80s or late 90s. While there was a lot of bullshit on these local state run TV channels when it comes to news and politics, the rest of the programming was extraordinary, and it was tailored to the people and not whoever pays for the ads.
They had rules such as limitation (of 30 seconds) on how long the AD can run on the TV, and how often (once an hour).
Best documentaries and children programming on state run TV at the right time of day.
Family friendly movies and tv shows
Music and art programming, both local and foreign
List goes on... (list of things that you cannot literally find a channel like this anymore, anywhere in the western world)
I understand that you're brainwashed to think that every "state" is or should be treated as an enemy, but there are cases when the state is not trying to screw you. Can you imagine that ?
Where I'm from, TV was from the people FOR the people.
These crap private TV networks that exist now, that most of you think is normal to have... holy mother of god, kill me now.
http://bash.org/?top
Ah, the good times.
Bikers sound like vegans.
I guess they're just better humans. Oh well.
> Some days I think I would rather flip burgers for a living.
Right ? Wouldn't that be relaxing.
Reminds me of "office space".
> Hire competent C developers and you should be good to go. Hire dumb-asses and sure the future doesn't look bright.
And where do these competent ones work at ? Microsoft, yahoo, apple, Linux kernel developers ? Where are they ?
Oh right, I see. Microsoft, Apple and Linux Kernel don't have bugs at all. /Sarcasm.
They have bugs, may of them critical, once a month, and they continue to have those bugs. I remember RCE in kernel in 2001, had one couple of weeks ago again. It will be another one in 2019,2020,etc. and it will never be better, until things fundamentally change. Changing a language... well, might be a good idea, but you won't know it unless it's tried.
It's not about being a "good" programmer, it's about being human. If you have to think about 70 different things, sooner or later, you'll make a mistake. Got in a fight with the missus, she's considering leaving ? Oh well.. yes, it's 08am, better go to work write some code...get payed you know. That alimony, the car and the house won't pay for themselves.
You nerds completely take out humanity out of everything. Even if you find couple of robotic ones that make no mistakes (and i'm sure there are some like that), there are trillions and trillions of lines code out there, you think these few ones will make the world a better place ?
We've been using C to write low level software for decades. This is where we are. If you think everything is peachy... then sure, don't change anything.
Now, continue crapping on everything !C.
> When the Russians get their hands on cyber intelligence, they exploit it
As opposed to Americans, who handle information in a way that benefit the greater good ? (/Sarcasm) (Do i really need to provide links ?)
Get off your moral high horse already. You don't want to cooperate with anyone, you want to do things that are in your own interests, and get whoever you can to support your own interests (read: spineless Europeans vassal states). Cooperating with Russia would undermine common American interests and hence it's not good for America, because the Russians, have their own interests.
Has nothing to do with the already stupidly boring narrative "Russians are Evil" that is constantly being rammed into minds of commoners through the popular media channels. By the way, if you going to talk evil, talk about your own politicians and foreign policies that turn at least one country to dust and cause 50 years of political instability in the region every ~ 10 years. I see more evil committed by USG than in Stalin's wildest dreams. You just pack it better, hollywood style, a polished turd for ready for people to eat up and feel better about themselves at next election.
Freakin' hypocrites, the lot of you.
> However, I'm not sure I have a problem with the business' HR searching through publicly available data a person self publishes for the world.
What I do in a pub with mates is also 'public'. Maybe I should take the HR down with me one Saturday, so they can make notes on my behavior ?
It's not what I publish to the world.. there's private life and things that I publish privately for my close friends and family to see, and there's professional life that is completely separate from the former.
I'm on internet since 1998 roughly. I'm 32 now... so started pretty young. I also spend 10+ hours on the computer per day, since 2001), so one can say internet is pretty important thing in my life, more so to me than to these that got _harassed_ probably.
First thing, most people are just asking for it. They subconsciously dig themselves into these holes, like they are unknowingly addicted to drama. It's like ghost stories.. the only people that seem to see ghosts are those people that believe in ghosts.
Furthermore, "Cyber" bullying ? Seriously ? Bullying is if i slap the shit out of you, yell at you, and take your lunch money, and I REPEAT it every day. That's bullying.
Somebody wrote a nasty comment on your facebook ? Are you kidding me ? Maybe I have this attitude because I "grew up" on IRC in early 2000s where these "abuses" were actually just a normal day, and I seen real bullying in the same time at school, but anything that happens on internet is totally insignificant, it's bordering make-believe, especially if you connect to internet with that intent, and it's not that hard people. Why take internet and platforms on it such as social media so seriously ?
Maybe this is happening because people choose to upload their lives on retarded platforms like facebook, maybe not, either way... you have control over it all, so all you doing calling this bullying is marginalizing real bullying. There's only one life that matters, and it's called Real Life.
I'm sure there are hordes of geeks that will attack me for saying cyber is make believe.. but that's just uh... like, your opinion man.
And screw them too.
.. until people realize they are the problem, not the companies.
It's the consumerism, the mentality, that is the problem.
But in a debt based economy, industries cannot function without consumerism, so pick. You have to give up on a lot of stuff if you want to solve this problem, not the companies. They will crumble, as a consequence of you consuming only bare minimum.
But go on, downvote this and buy a hybrid car, and bitch about how evil Exxon, politicians, and everybody else is .. and how you one of the few that is not part of the problem.
In the meantime, if you want to know more try the documentary called (century of self) that will sum up how this is going on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Plans for something 20+ years ahead are retarded, there's no way to know the circumstances or predict what will be going on in 2040.
More probably trying to score political points with stupid people.
Some other guy in 2038 will say "yeah.. we'll postpone this 20 more years, we're not ready".
You're a bigot. /sarcasm
Didn't you hear ? Everything wrong with the US is Trump's fault now, directly or indirectly. Even if it isn't.
So concentrate on bashing Trump, not discussing this rationally.
> or as the industry likes to call it, "clean meat."
I mean just call it what it is... artificial or fake (shorter, and more precise) meat. So annoying this "industry", always have to imply that something they do is "better", cleaner, or moral (implying at the same time, that what we do is the opposite and wrong).
What's up with this ?
Also, if you don't eat meat, why make (or EAT) fake meat ? Why not stick to grass, nuts, carrots and potatoes and just leave it be ?
It's like mormons. Going around the world and trying to make people think same way they think (the correct way, mind you)..
Just another religion. Keep it to yourself.
While I believe people are growing and changing, evolving (some are not) throughout their lives, I think the 20s are most critical, and people in their 20s should not raise a child.
What does a 25yr old have to offer to a child in terms of guidance and wisdom when the same 25yr old is just beginning his adult life and most are totally clueless about life. Even the older ones often are, but that's a different matter.
Similarly, most people are not assholes, but they think other people are, so they become assholes themselves and/or isolate themselves and stop trusting everybody hence contributing to the whole problem.
Take a fucking chance, you might get surprised.
> "Despite repeatedly receiving special treatment at the expense of others, Ms Vandermeyden nonetheless chose to pursue a miscarriage of justice by suing Tesla and falsely attacking our company in the press," ...
Some of them expect special treatment even, and then bitch about it, or in this case, try to milk some money out of the company.. because .. women harassment, and "wage gap" is hip nowdays.
Plain bullshit, is what it is.
Not if you stop it by hacking into it, and you disable all that you mentioned.
If people are hacking cars and stealing them, why not trucks.
Isn't the point of (successful) attack/hijacking, whatever, NOT to be detected and identified ?
Just the other day, some Russian ISP routed what, most of Visa & Mastercard traffic through their servers or something... happens often.. sometimes mistake, sometimes maybe not, but still they cannot keep doing it indefinitely.
Yeah ?
Does it have a brand new NSA backdoor in it ?
There is.. If he leaked it anyway, next time they wouldn't pay, but if he was .. 'honest'.. maybe they would pay next time too.
>In less than a decade, we've gone from identifying people as "whistleblowers" to labelling them as "traitors" in the mainstream news.
We're not, the.. "mainstream media" are.