I'm not 100% sure it's the case, but I seem to remember that if the.NET runtime is installed, the VB and at least VC# compilers are installed. No IDE or anything, but the compiler executables are there. (Again, I think, I have the SDK installed so can't confirm on my Windows box.)
That may be what he means. It's not officially part of Windows yet, but I'd bet most computers sold today have the.NET runtime installed for some reason or another.
Seconding the comment before me in reply to your but with a bit more. You are most definately missing a point. Even by the most PD freindly copyright the US at least has ever had, the vast majority of what we call Abandonware would not have been PD yet. Yes, it's nice being able to illegally (and, yes it is), treat them as such, but it is not our right. I'm all for giving access to things that can't be gotten any other way becuase the original author/publisher won't distrubute it. However, if they still are, or they are going to start to, that's their right.
That said, I agree with you underlying point. Nothing ever becomes PD at the moment. I want to see that changed, but ignoring copyright becuase we don't like what it has become is the wrong way. (especially when I think, ignoring their opinion changing because this medium is different than anything they knew, the Founding Fathers would definately think these games should still be commercially exploitable now, based on the system they put in place.)
We should encourage this, but at the same time try and do something to make sure that right doesn't exist for them forever.....now, how to do that. You got me. This country/world is far too bought.....
You know. You're right, and I'm not sure what my point is here, but.....
Growing up with first a Ti-99/4a and then an old 8088 that wasn't upgragable at all....the GP's point fits exactly what I went through when I was younger, and it made me a better comp user. That said. I was probably destined to be a geek, so assuming most people are lacking that, you'd be right. The GPs idea though, may encourage people to push things farther with what they had. or.....discourage them entirely....again, not sure what my pont was. I guess I'm not sure it's Terrible advice. It could go both ways.
I agree. Combined with everything else it had going against it, Sega I think ultimately ended up with the same problem with the DC. I don't think M$oft will have the same fate as the DC, but I think they will struggle just from being so early.
I think the PS3 and the Revolution are going to offer a lot more to bringing in the Next Generation than the Xbox360 has managed. Maybe the next 6 mo or so of games for the 360 may change that, but I don't see that. (Oblivion may be one, but I think the people who want to play that mostly have PCs already. I don't see the 360 version winning them over)
I can say for a fact that I downloaded the torrent of GC2, and I'm sure as hell buying it. And it's not just cause it's a great game (I try and do that with games I d/l, but lack of money doesn't allow it always.) It's because it's a great game, and Stardock has about the best attitude towards their consumers that I've ever seen. I've purchased every POP game ever. I'm specifically not buying T2T just because of Starforce. (and, not downloading it either, though it may be tempting once it gets cracked properly.....hey, i never said I was a saint.) It's obvious from the statements by the Stardock guy in the article that they "get" it. And, I love that, and they will get my money because of it. (and cause I like the game.)
Wow! That's great (I said so in a previous comment, but, I wish I had mod points for this) Yeah, kids Today are spoiled as hell. I've done it with my own I'm sad to say. My wife has recently reminded me of how we grew up and yeah. I've babied them to death in the past. Thinking specifically about technology.....we had an Intelivision, with almost no games growing up. I think we got that cause my dad liked it.....ie, not for us. I had a TI-99/4a my grandfather bought for me. My parents maybe picked up one cart for it. the rest of my fun with it was programming it. (pretty much ALL of my fun with it). If my grandad hadn't splurged on that one thing, my tech exposure at a young age would have been nearly 0. but, more importantly, that combined with my parents unwillingness to spoil me probably led to me being where I am today.
Christmas, I always thought when I was ten, but looking back recently at when they were discontinued and some logic, it was earlier. (for both, I was 10 in 1987. The 99/4a was gone several years before, and "my" second computer was a crappy Zenith 8088 which the family bought in Feb 1988. I don't think the two overlapped) Anyway, I loved that thing. It's hard today raising my own kids getting them to understand how cool it can be to have a computer that really you have to program yourself to have any fun with (I never had a lot of software for my TI. It was annoying with the zenith at first that it didn't come with basic......what the hell good was it????) Sadly, I destroyed the thing thinking I could build a robot at one point....yeah, that was smart.
As a side note, my primary job today, I work on an IBM 370ish (newer, but basically) writing code for what is essentially 2 360's running in parallel (the 4pi....it's what the shuttle has on it, but that's not what I work on).....i probably wouldn't enjoy working on what I work on without the experience I had way back when on my TI....
"Unpatched" a month or 2 after the developer's were notified of the issue could me lazy......could. It could also be that hard to fix, but most buffer overruns aren't going to be that hard to find and fix once you know they exist.
"Unpatched" 4 days after notification isn't lazy at all. I think that was the point.
I agree totally. My example is kinda silly 'cause I never managed to get ANYWHERE in the game, but the original DOS import of THEXDER from Game Arts/Sierra. That was one hard game. I THINK I made it into level 3 after a year or two of playing......That was a game where you had to do everything perfect to get anywhere in, and I loved it. And the sad thing is that I find myself too impatient now, 15 or so years later, to really try that hard at it........and I guess that's the point, I'm not willing to put the effort I once was into it. (and it could be that I'm older and can't spend the time, but I don't think so. I've come to expect something that is easier.......)
Well, that is true, and I've always seen that scene that way, but..... There still is an impression throught ANH that Vader isn't quite what he is in ESB/ROTJ. It's hard for me to imagine AHN without the context the other 2 provide (I was 2 mo old in May 1977), but when I try I do see that disparity. I honestly don't think Lucas ever expected to get past 1 movie. I think realizing he could changed his vision. I'm not so sure he originally intended the Emporer to be Vader's "Master" at all. I think maybe he intended to seperate the Sith vs Jedi bits from the Alliance vs Empire parts a bit more.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but to whoever moderated this up to +5 Informative, did you read the ensuing comments? tmortn's responses are much more informative than everthing I wrote. Yeah, I may have deserved a point or 2, but his still are at +4 and +3, and they are way better. (I really can't believe I'm complaining about my first +5......)
True. It's really a question of what is now (or was in 2003) and what was intended. The reality was that all that you mentioned fell apart, and the shuttle was used for science. I wasn't really questioning your assertion that it shouldn't have been so, only pointing out that it was so. Now, as it stands, with 2 destroyed shuttles, and not a single left in the fleet that can't dock with the ISS, I agree that's all we should be doing, and getting away from using them at all as soon as possible.
I think it's more because that mission, STS-107, had been delayed several times. If you look back, a lot of the missions were flown out of order. And 107 was always purely scientific, so Columbia was a "good" choice, since the mission didn't need to go to ISS.
Second, having watched it (shhhhh........), the theme is no more different than I'd expect.......it's no more of a change than can be heard over the years and years of the original series over time........
That WAS funny. But, my printer itself knows what day it is, so short of hacking the printer itself, that may not work. (of course, I have one of those fancy all-in-one deals.....I don't think all HP Printers know what day it is.)
But that's for them to do if they want. It's all great for me to make fun of myself if I choose, but I generally don't like others laughing at my shortcomings, and I sure wouldn't generalize my comments with something that is an honest diability to include everyone with it. I could be LD and say, "well aren't I just a dumbass", cause I i have trouble learning something. i wouldn't say "well, we're all a bunch of dumbasses. we can't learn."
Same here. I don't think they will though. As I remember, the original deal didn't have us paying shipping. Now, if you used the key for the HL1 bundle, as I did, I think we gave up getting a free CD of the game (I don't fell like digging through their website to see if the terms are still there), but I'd hope they'd be decent enough to let us go ahead with the original deal if they can't live up to what they promised us. And, I guess if we were supposed to pay shipping originally, I guess I can't complain too much, it's what I would have gotten if Steam didn't exist at all.
but watching the cartoon left me with the original version of the song stuck in my head for days.....I don't think that supports the "rights holders'" idea of dilution of the original at all......
While you are correct. I think the original poster just misspoke slightly. Linux did start out as a Minix clone as far as I know. If you read it that way, the parent makes complete sense.
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I'm not 100% sure it's the case, but I seem to remember that if the .NET runtime is installed, the VB and at least VC# compilers are installed. No IDE or anything, but the compiler executables are there. (Again, I think, I have the SDK installed so can't confirm on my Windows box.)
.NET runtime installed for some reason or another.
That may be what he means. It's not officially part of Windows yet, but I'd bet most computers sold today have the
Seconding the comment before me in reply to your but with a bit more. You are most definately missing a point. Even by the most PD freindly copyright the US at least has ever had, the vast majority of what we call Abandonware would not have been PD yet. Yes, it's nice being able to illegally (and, yes it is), treat them as such, but it is not our right. I'm all for giving access to things that can't be gotten any other way becuase the original author/publisher won't distrubute it. However, if they still are, or they are going to start to, that's their right.
That said, I agree with you underlying point. Nothing ever becomes PD at the moment. I want to see that changed, but ignoring copyright becuase we don't like what it has become is the wrong way. (especially when I think, ignoring their opinion changing because this medium is different than anything they knew, the Founding Fathers would definately think these games should still be commercially exploitable now, based on the system they put in place.)
We should encourage this, but at the same time try and do something to make sure that right doesn't exist for them forever.....now, how to do that. You got me. This country/world is far too bought.....
You know. You're right, and I'm not sure what my point is here, but.....
Growing up with first a Ti-99/4a and then an old 8088 that wasn't upgragable at all....the GP's point fits exactly what I went through when I was younger, and it made me a better comp user. That said. I was probably destined to be a geek, so assuming most people are lacking that, you'd be right. The GPs idea though, may encourage people to push things farther with what they had. or.....discourage them entirely....again, not sure what my pont was. I guess I'm not sure it's Terrible advice. It could go both ways.
I agree. Combined with everything else it had going against it, Sega I think ultimately ended up with the same problem with the DC. I don't think M$oft will have the same fate as the DC, but I think they will struggle just from being so early.
I think the PS3 and the Revolution are going to offer a lot more to bringing in the Next Generation than the Xbox360 has managed. Maybe the next 6 mo or so of games for the 360 may change that, but I don't see that. (Oblivion may be one, but I think the people who want to play that mostly have PCs already. I don't see the 360 version winning them over)
I can say for a fact that I downloaded the torrent of GC2, and I'm sure as hell buying it. And it's not just cause it's a great game (I try and do that with games I d/l, but lack of money doesn't allow it always.) It's because it's a great game, and Stardock has about the best attitude towards their consumers that I've ever seen. I've purchased every POP game ever. I'm specifically not buying T2T just because of Starforce. (and, not downloading it either, though it may be tempting once it gets cracked properly.....hey, i never said I was a saint.) It's obvious from the statements by the Stardock guy in the article that they "get" it. And, I love that, and they will get my money because of it. (and cause I like the game.)
Wow! That's great (I said so in a previous comment, but, I wish I had mod points for this) Yeah, kids Today are spoiled as hell. I've done it with my own I'm sad to say. My wife has recently reminded me of how we grew up and yeah. I've babied them to death in the past. Thinking specifically about technology.....we had an Intelivision, with almost no games growing up. I think we got that cause my dad liked it.....ie, not for us. I had a TI-99/4a my grandfather bought for me. My parents maybe picked up one cart for it. the rest of my fun with it was programming it. (pretty much ALL of my fun with it). If my grandad hadn't splurged on that one thing, my tech exposure at a young age would have been nearly 0. but, more importantly, that combined with my parents unwillingness to spoil me probably led to me being where I am today.
God! I wish I had Mod points for this....
/. in a while.
You may get modded into oblivion for that (I'd hope not), but I'd mod you up. That's one of the better comments I've seen on
Christmas, I always thought when I was ten, but looking back recently at when they were discontinued and some logic, it was earlier. (for both, I was 10 in 1987. The 99/4a was gone several years before, and "my" second computer was a crappy Zenith 8088 which the family bought in Feb 1988. I don't think the two overlapped) Anyway, I loved that thing. It's hard today raising my own kids getting them to understand how cool it can be to have a computer that really you have to program yourself to have any fun with (I never had a lot of software for my TI. It was annoying with the zenith at first that it didn't come with basic......what the hell good was it????) Sadly, I destroyed the thing thinking I could build a robot at one point....yeah, that was smart.
As a side note, my primary job today, I work on an IBM 370ish (newer, but basically) writing code for what is essentially 2 360's running in parallel (the 4pi....it's what the shuttle has on it, but that's not what I work on).....i probably wouldn't enjoy working on what I work on without the experience I had way back when on my TI....
"Unpatched" a month or 2 after the developer's were notified of the issue could me lazy......could. It could also be that hard to fix, but most buffer overruns aren't going to be that hard to find and fix once you know they exist.
"Unpatched" 4 days after notification isn't lazy at all. I think that was the point.
I agree totally. My example is kinda silly 'cause I never managed to get ANYWHERE in the game, but the original DOS import of THEXDER from Game Arts/Sierra. That was one hard game. I THINK I made it into level 3 after a year or two of playing......That was a game where you had to do everything perfect to get anywhere in, and I loved it. And the sad thing is that I find myself too impatient now, 15 or so years later, to really try that hard at it........and I guess that's the point, I'm not willing to put the effort I once was into it. (and it could be that I'm older and can't spend the time, but I don't think so. I've come to expect something that is easier.......)
You can reply as an AC still. I've actually done that once. I forget why......
Well, that is true, and I've always seen that scene that way, but..... There still is an impression throught ANH that Vader isn't quite what he is in ESB/ROTJ. It's hard for me to imagine AHN without the context the other 2 provide (I was 2 mo old in May 1977), but when I try I do see that disparity. I honestly don't think Lucas ever expected to get past 1 movie. I think realizing he could changed his vision. I'm not so sure he originally intended the Emporer to be Vader's "Master" at all. I think maybe he intended to seperate the Sith vs Jedi bits from the Alliance vs Empire parts a bit more.
But that's just me.
Which would be why the grandparent said "not the first". Nintendo and SMB just made it mainstream.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but to whoever moderated this up to +5 Informative, did you read the ensuing comments? tmortn's responses are much more informative than everthing I wrote. Yeah, I may have deserved a point or 2, but his still are at +4 and +3, and they are way better. (I really can't believe I'm complaining about my first +5......)
True. It's really a question of what is now (or was in 2003) and what was intended. The reality was that all that you mentioned fell apart, and the shuttle was used for science. I wasn't really questioning your assertion that it shouldn't have been so, only pointing out that it was so. Now, as it stands, with 2 destroyed shuttles, and not a single left in the fleet that can't dock with the ISS, I agree that's all we should be doing, and getting away from using them at all as soon as possible.
I think it's more because that mission, STS-107, had been delayed several times. If you look back, a lot of the missions were flown out of order. And 107 was always purely scientific, so Columbia was a "good" choice, since the mission didn't need to go to ISS.
First. Did you read that story?
Second, having watched it (shhhhh........), the theme is no more different than I'd expect.......it's no more of a change than can be heard over the years and years of the original series over time........
Yes, I have to set it. But, I'd rather have the thing be accurate, but still not screw me over because I set it that way.......
That WAS funny. But, my printer itself knows what day it is, so short of hacking the printer itself, that may not work. (of course, I have one of those fancy all-in-one deals.....I don't think all HP Printers know what day it is.)
But that's for them to do if they want. It's all great for me to make fun of myself if I choose, but I generally don't like others laughing at my shortcomings, and I sure wouldn't generalize my comments with something that is an honest diability to include everyone with it. I could be LD and say, "well aren't I just a dumbass", cause I i have trouble learning something. i wouldn't say "well, we're all a bunch of dumbasses. we can't learn."
Same here. I don't think they will though. As I remember, the original deal didn't have us paying shipping. Now, if you used the key for the HL1 bundle, as I did, I think we gave up getting a free CD of the game (I don't fell like digging through their website to see if the terms are still there), but I'd hope they'd be decent enough to let us go ahead with the original deal if they can't live up to what they promised us. And, I guess if we were supposed to pay shipping originally, I guess I can't complain too much, it's what I would have gotten if Steam didn't exist at all.
The Sunbird is at least a little older than that. My first car was a '78 Sunbird Station Wagon. (ugly piece of shit)
but watching the cartoon left me with the original version of the song stuck in my head for days.....I don't think that supports the "rights holders'" idea of dilution of the original at all......
is here: It still doesn't seem to be fully operational.
While you are correct. I think the original poster just misspoke slightly. Linux did start out as a Minix clone as far as I know. If you read it that way, the parent makes complete sense.