You don't know a Trojan Badger^H^H^H^H^H Horse when you see one, do you?
This will make it easier to get Linux into MSFT only shops, since it is in the guise of a Citrix Server. Once in the door, it should prove to be a good business descision, which means the PHBs will start to see Linux in a positive light. It's all about getting inside the walls of Fort Redmond, and then letting the troops out to fight.
I did a quick read of the RPSL and there's nothing at all in there about advertising, or the requirement thereof. What that means (at first blush anyway) is if there's code in Helix that you don't like, you are free (even encouraged) to rip it out and then give the changes back to Real. Problem?
I thought it hard to imagine that Netscape would open thier code up too - but here I am typing away on Moz. No ads, no crap - just a browser, and a fantastic one at that. Tried Netscape 7 recently? It's almost as bad as Real 8.0 was for marketing and ads.
I would imagine that Real is trying to shift thier business model - capitalise on the smarts of the developer community, and cash in on support and consulting. Y'know - the code lives, we know it best and Microsoft can't kill us anymore. Better chance at survival that way than trying to pry WMP 9.0 out of Longhorn.
Real has been in Microsoft's sights for a while - and since OSS seems to be armour plating against Bill & Co. in the minds of the IT business community, this makes buisness sense. (OK, sort of.) Who said "The enemy of my enemy is my friend.", anyway?
Welcome to capitalism, and (for good or ill) one of the roles of OSS. How many times have you heard "RedHat is cheaper than Windows, so businesses should use it!!!", or worse, said that yourself? Don't like it when the other edge of the OSS sword swings around and hits you, eh?
Since when does the GPL say "No money grubbing, evil monopolists allowed to install and use this software to further thier cause."? Oh, that's right, it doesn't - only rules about re-distribution. Hopefully 2.0 of the GPL will stomp out all monopolies, hunh?
Grow up.
Like it or not, we get the good with the bad. As "evil" as TicketMonster is, they _are_ forwarding our cause in a way that businesses understand - namley that OSS makes good business sense. I'll take that over a tin-foil hat any day, bud.
Hell, maybe our way "of goodness and light" will rub off on them by association, making for a kinder and gentler monopolist. You just never know...
WINE doesn't run CS, Starcraft, UT, and all the other online games that make third-world cyber cafes profitable.
Though some of the official stuff, as well as the more family-oriented shops may change to Linux, the vast majority of cyber cafes will still be running pirated games under a pirated Windows.
I doubt it- this is a government sponsored program - they plainly can't allow pirated software for a host of reasons. If it were for-profit shops, I'd agree with you whole heartedly. The effort here is for education of the poor, not profits.
India will continue to pirate as long as Microsoft leads everywhere else, though having the governor officially reject capitalism is a good step for socialism.
Hunh? This quote:
"For us it is not a question of Microsoft versus Linux. It is just a matter of choosing between a free software and a monopoly. We feel that when we are putting public information out in the open, then it should not be through a proprietary software."
says they reject capitaism for socialism? That sounds very much like an informed, reasoned choice to me. It also will get the poor of India used to the idea of properly licensed software - and may end up curtailing some of the piracy you speak of.
You sound as though you've pre-judged India as a country with no morals, self respect or smarts, since they have no money. I can assure you that this is definately not the case, especially in the smarts department. Educate yourself on what you speak of, please, especially before you attepmt to make such blanket statements.
As it is, IMHO you definately put the ass in assume.
I think perhaps you're a bit confused, my friend. It _is_ digital in that it's sending information as numbers, it's just carrying those numbers on an analogue signal.
The medium isn't important in digital, it's the message. Whether I send you a sequence of 20,000,000 numbers via carrier pidgeon or blue/green modulated laser light isn't important (other than latency) - it's the fact that those 20,000,000 numbers got from A to B via some means other than picking them up and carrying them.
So, we are all digital now, and have no need to go back.
Unless of course they find a way to integrate the cell phone in there too, perhaps with a Bluetooth earpiece/microphone (Been done, IIRC) and transmitter (Perhaps a small belt clip device with more powerfull batteries?). No more carrying around that little brick - I'd seriously consider it then.
What I gather is that the EU is trying to protect an emerging market. Microsoft is able to tie thier SmartPhones to thier Windows and.Net platform, further leveraging the Windows monopoly, and in doing so would strengthen that monopoly. This would effectively short-circuit any compeditors products.
If.Net is truly open, I would agree with you in that Microsoft would simply be providing infrastructure on an even basis with any prospective competitors. If they purposely leverage their Windows monopoly in order to gain un-fair advantage in the smartphone market, that's a different matter - they would be attepmting to acquire another monopoly. The EU is trying to keep the competition even, at the start anyway. If everyone in the Phone/PDA combo market is afforded the same advantages, and Microsoft still wins, OK, fine, they deserved it. As it is, there won't be much - if any at all - competition due to the Windows juggernaught.
Crap. The reason I'm never thrilled with Microsoft is that they present a lose-lose situation. Sure, they should be allowed to "innovate" to thier hearts content - everyone is even before the law, after all. Everytime they do, however, they seem to desolate the compeditive landscape by nuking everything with thier Windows-leverage bomb.
Bleah. 'Nuff typing - I'm going back to my bottle of rye...
Perhaps it's time we stopped sitting on our thumbs and complaining about Microsoft ignoring standards. An outright ban of IE is needed, from workplaces, schools, ect... Sites should block access to people using IE. This is the only way we can get our rights to web standards back!
Y'know, in a perfect world, I'd whole heartedly agree with you. Is it a perfect world? Hence, the diatribe.
Seriously though, does anyone have any ideas on how we can take control of web standards away from MS ?
Ooops, sorry. Cancel diatribe...;) Seriously, I don't think we as a community can really do anything substancial to Microsoft, since they don't want to listen to us anyway. Advocacy is about the only weapon we have, unless you come up with the "next killer app" that everyone needs and exclude any browser that doesn't follow the W3C standards you espouse . When you do that, you can set terms. Until then, we're just a bunch on Don Quixotes, tilting against windmills.
I certainly understand your trepidations about impementing hate laws, since I feel them as well.
Suppose I put up a web site that says "Almost half [ncianet.org] the young nigger men in Washington DC are criminals." That is a fact, not a lie or even an opinion. It would still be considered by most as "hate speech", because of the connotations of the words I use.
Well, it would depend on the context you're quoting that. If your web-site says "Niggers are criminals. Here's proof", you're deliberately distorting the data since you don't acknowledge all of the data - like the social/economic conditions of those ~%50. If your web-site says "There's a study that found that ~%50 of "young nigger men" are criminals in Washington D.C., and here's why I think that is", that can be contrued in a entirely different matter - you're likely to only offend those with very little tolerance themselves. IOW, you're discussing your opinion and interpretation of that data, and not representing it as fact. There is a difference - one's a lie, the others an argument.
I don't see any reasonable way to have any hate speech legislation at all, without repugnant repercussions to liberty.
Giving liberty to intentionaly harm your fellow man means you will eventually have no liberty yourself. Hate speech, as I have described it, is an attempt to do just that - justify harm to and the discrimination of humans based on their outward appearance. There has to be a balance, not just a free-for-all.
Hate "crimes" are inherently though crimes. They punish you additionally for what you think, rather than only based on what you do. Soon we will be able to harness the rotational energy from Orwell's grave to solve all world energy problems.
I tend to think of Hate laws as anti-propoganda laws. Here in Canada we have anti-hate laws, and they seem to work well. The haterd isn't illegal, it's the spreading of your, umm, "theory" by lies and deciet that you are held accountable for. IOW, you can type "I don't think the Holocaust happened." and it will likley not get you in legal hot water, but "The Holocaust didn't happen and the Jews..." likley would, since you are deliberately trying to mislead someone into hating another ethnic group based on falsehoods.
Hatred spreads the same way our friends in Redmond try to discredit thier compeditors - by trying to teach everyone that others are bad through FUD. If we try to make the teaching of hatred carry some legal repercussions, the falsehoods will soon end, as well as the hatred and discrimination that come from spreading those falsehoods. This is an attepmt to "cut off the air supply" of discrimination at it's source.
Hey, say whatever the hell you want - it's a free country. I only ask 2 things - make sure I know it's only your opinion (unless you have iron clad, set in stone hard proof to back up your statements) and don't lie to me just to further your point. I hope this is the essence of the laws they try to enact, not the "thought police" like you suspect.
Anyway, our intrepid (Score:4, Informative) poster has a glaring error - ottawa.com and canada.com are owned and operated by CanWest Interactive, a division of CanWest Global Communications Corp. I should know - my immediate supervisor (I work there) registered the domains.
The City of Ottawa's web site is at http://www.city.ottawa.on.ca/, just like most any other Canadian city (use www.city.cityname.xx.ca, where xx is the abriviated province name).
I've been actively researching this for quite some time now. I've come up with a few:
L'AnePOS - written in Perl, uses Tcl/TK for admin, PostgreSQL backend. Nice system, but the code needs cleanup. The project admin told me he should be updating it very soon.
Compiere - Whole ERP/CRM package including POS. Too big for small shops, just right for medium. Oracle backend, tho - expect to pay a bit for that.
There's JPos as well, though I'm not sure what backend it uses and Mercator, which is still in Alpha. I'm trying to get a project called Poszilla off the ground, too - Point of Sale based on Mozilla, which would truly be be platform independant, maybe even DB independant.
(A few update Tolkein; keep an eye out for a background character in The Two Towers who, in the middle of the battle, seems to take a call on his cellphone.)
Oh the irony...
Just remember after you post this you are now fair game. What??!? you ask?
If I'm in the theater to watch TTT for the first time, and you're in the very same theater but to see your fourth iteration, and you might be getting a little teensy bit bored, if you perchance forget where you are and you take a call on _your_ fucking cell phone, I get to kill you with my +5 Vorpal (Offical) LoTR Special DVDs.
_But when they start messing with my CLI, then it's personal. I'm not going to sit here and let Red Hat infect my beloved tcsh with those annoying quirks from bash._
The solution is quite simple: don't use redhat and quit whining. You don't own bash or csh and you sure as hell don't even remotely have the right to complain about the modifications redhat is making. It's free software and nobody is forcing you to use it.
*blink**blink* Henh?
Ohhh.... Is this thing on? Good. *AHEM*
Here ladies and gentlemen we have the common Nolifeium Nonhumourum Slashdoticus. Notice the serious countenance, the white skin and it's most distinctive marking, the flat, bald forehead from all of the jokes that go flying just over it. This particular species is closely related to the Userum Newbius Nocluseies, who also are prone to spouting off at the mouth with no clue and are usually just as humour impared. Please move along now, there's lot's more to see.
Going under temp is just as bad, if not worse, as going over temp. The cost-consious id10t who approved using an electrolyte based on H2O should be liberally bathed in it - it's the worst possible thing to put in a cap. Being water based, if the electrolyte in the capacitor freezes, it expands and basically mashes the caps plates together. If they touch, well, hope it was time for an upgrade. The electrolyte would normally act as anti-freeze, but being water based means that it freezes a lot sooner. All the wrong things happen with water in the capacitor.
If you fly, keep your electronic gear with you, since the baggage compartment of an airplane isn't usually temperature controlled. Or, if you live in Sweden, Canada or any place that can get low screen temps, keep that laptop in the car or someplace warm so you con't freeze a cap and blow up your gear. In any event, insulate it from temerature extremes whenever possible.
You are correct in what you're saying about Apple. Things would be a lot worse - in fact, we might not have much at all, just MacOS 7.xx on more expensive hardware. Or the PC revolution might not of happened at all. Who knows - and it's all academic anyway. Apple could not now - nor will they ever - have too much power in the PC space, so we can play with thier toys without needing to worry about feeding a monster.
That being said, OS/X is in of itself cool. It's pretty, stable, reasonably fast and it is *nix under the eye candy. Geeks like that. Being an Apple product is secondary to the fact that it's a really nice OS.
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You don't know a Trojan Badger^H^H^H^H^H Horse when you see one, do you?
This will make it easier to get Linux into MSFT only shops, since it is in the guise of a Citrix Server. Once in the door, it should prove to be a good business descision, which means the PHBs will start to see Linux in a positive light. It's all about getting inside the walls of Fort Redmond, and then letting the troops out to fight.
Get it?
Soko
OK.
I did a quick read of the RPSL and there's nothing at all in there about advertising, or the requirement thereof. What that means (at first blush anyway) is if there's code in Helix that you don't like, you are free (even encouraged) to rip it out and then give the changes back to Real. Problem?
I thought it hard to imagine that Netscape would open thier code up too - but here I am typing away on Moz. No ads, no crap - just a browser, and a fantastic one at that. Tried Netscape 7 recently? It's almost as bad as Real 8.0 was for marketing and ads.
I would imagine that Real is trying to shift thier business model - capitalise on the smarts of the developer community, and cash in on support and consulting. Y'know - the code lives, we know it best and Microsoft can't kill us anymore. Better chance at survival that way than trying to pry WMP 9.0 out of Longhorn.
Real has been in Microsoft's sights for a while - and since OSS seems to be armour plating against Bill & Co. in the minds of the IT business community, this makes buisness sense. (OK, sort of.) Who said "The enemy of my enemy is my friend.", anyway?
Soko
Creators of apps like Microsoft?
Welcome to capitalism, and (for good or ill) one of the roles of OSS. How many times have you heard "RedHat is cheaper than Windows, so businesses should use it!!!", or worse, said that yourself? Don't like it when the other edge of the OSS sword swings around and hits you, eh?
Since when does the GPL say "No money grubbing, evil monopolists allowed to install and use this software to further thier cause."? Oh, that's right, it doesn't - only rules about re-distribution. Hopefully 2.0 of the GPL will stomp out all monopolies, hunh?
Grow up.
Like it or not, we get the good with the bad. As "evil" as TicketMonster is, they _are_ forwarding our cause in a way that businesses understand - namley that OSS makes good business sense. I'll take that over a tin-foil hat any day, bud.
Hell, maybe our way "of goodness and light" will rub off on them by association, making for a kinder and gentler monopolist. You just never know...
Soko
This is a good thing. The last Star Wars finially convinced me that Lucas is a POS because I wasn't distracted by his "special effects."
;-)
POS being "Point Of Sale", of course, IMHO.
Soko
No, a tonne is a "metric ton", which is 1000 Kilograms or about 2,200 US pounds.
Google is of course your friend.
Soko
WINE doesn't run CS, Starcraft, UT, and all the other online games that make third-world cyber cafes profitable.
Though some of the official stuff, as well as the more family-oriented shops may change to Linux, the vast majority of cyber cafes will still be running pirated games under a pirated Windows.
I doubt it- this is a government sponsored program - they plainly can't allow pirated software for a host of reasons. If it were for-profit shops, I'd agree with you whole heartedly. The effort here is for education of the poor, not profits.
India will continue to pirate as long as Microsoft leads everywhere else, though having the governor officially reject capitalism is a good step for socialism.
Hunh? This quote:
"For us it is not a question of Microsoft versus Linux. It is just a matter of choosing between a free software and a monopoly. We feel that when we are putting public information out in the open, then it should not be through a proprietary software."
says they reject capitaism for socialism? That sounds very much like an informed, reasoned choice to me. It also will get the poor of India used to the idea of properly licensed software - and may end up curtailing some of the piracy you speak of.
You sound as though you've pre-judged India as a country with no morals, self respect or smarts, since they have no money. I can assure you that this is definately not the case, especially in the smarts department. Educate yourself on what you speak of, please, especially before you attepmt to make such blanket statements.
As it is, IMHO you definately put the ass in assume.
Soko
I think perhaps you're a bit confused, my friend. It _is_ digital in that it's sending information as numbers, it's just carrying those numbers on an analogue signal.
The medium isn't important in digital, it's the message. Whether I send you a sequence of 20,000,000 numbers via carrier pidgeon or blue/green modulated laser light isn't important (other than latency) - it's the fact that those 20,000,000 numbers got from A to B via some means other than picking them up and carrying them.
So, we are all digital now, and have no need to go back.
Soko
I saw that too. Sublime, yet obvious. Just beautiful. As is the rest of your work, BTW.
A tip of my tin-foil hat to you, sir.
Soko
Unless of course they find a way to integrate the cell phone in there too, perhaps with a Bluetooth earpiece/microphone (Been done, IIRC) and transmitter (Perhaps a small belt clip device with more powerfull batteries?). No more carrying around that little brick - I'd seriously consider it then.
Soko
What I gather is that the EU is trying to protect an emerging market. Microsoft is able to tie thier SmartPhones to thier Windows and .Net platform, further leveraging the Windows monopoly, and in doing so would strengthen that monopoly. This would effectively short-circuit any compeditors products.
.Net is truly open, I would agree with you in that Microsoft would simply be providing infrastructure on an even basis with any prospective competitors. If they purposely leverage their Windows monopoly in order to gain un-fair advantage in the smartphone market, that's a different matter - they would be attepmting to acquire another monopoly. The EU is trying to keep the competition even, at the start anyway. If everyone in the Phone/PDA combo market is afforded the same advantages, and Microsoft still wins, OK, fine, they deserved it. As it is, there won't be much - if any at all - competition due to the Windows juggernaught.
If
Crap. The reason I'm never thrilled with Microsoft is that they present a lose-lose situation. Sure, they should be allowed to "innovate" to thier hearts content - everyone is even before the law, after all. Everytime they do, however, they seem to desolate the compeditive landscape by nuking everything with thier Windows-leverage bomb.
Bleah. 'Nuff typing - I'm going back to my bottle of rye...
Soko
Perhaps it's time we stopped sitting on our thumbs and complaining about Microsoft ignoring standards. An outright ban of IE is needed, from workplaces, schools, ect... Sites should block access to people using IE. This is the only way we can get our rights to web standards back!
;) Seriously, I don't think we as a community can really do anything substancial to Microsoft, since they don't want to listen to us anyway. Advocacy is about the only weapon we have, unless you come up with the "next killer app" that everyone needs and exclude any browser that doesn't follow the W3C standards you espouse . When you do that, you can set terms. Until then, we're just a bunch on Don Quixotes, tilting against windmills.
Y'know, in a perfect world, I'd whole heartedly agree with you. Is it a perfect world? Hence, the diatribe.
Seriously though, does anyone have any ideas on how we can take control of web standards away from MS ?
Ooops, sorry. Cancel diatribe...
Sorry for the dose of reality.
Soko
I certainly understand your trepidations about impementing hate laws, since I feel them as well.
Suppose I put up a web site that says "Almost half [ncianet.org] the young nigger men in Washington DC are criminals." That is a fact, not a lie or even an opinion. It would still be considered by most as "hate speech", because of the connotations of the words I use.
Well, it would depend on the context you're quoting that. If your web-site says "Niggers are criminals. Here's proof", you're deliberately distorting the data since you don't acknowledge all of the data - like the social/economic conditions of those ~%50. If your web-site says "There's a study that found that ~%50 of "young nigger men" are criminals in Washington D.C., and here's why I think that is", that can be contrued in a entirely different matter - you're likely to only offend those with very little tolerance themselves. IOW, you're discussing your opinion and interpretation of that data, and not representing it as fact. There is a difference - one's a lie, the others an argument.
I don't see any reasonable way to have any hate speech legislation at all, without repugnant repercussions to liberty.
Giving liberty to intentionaly harm your fellow man means you will eventually have no liberty yourself. Hate speech, as I have described it, is an attempt to do just that - justify harm to and the discrimination of humans based on their outward appearance. There has to be a balance, not just a free-for-all.
Soko
Hate "crimes" are inherently though crimes. They punish you additionally for what you think, rather than only based on what you do. Soon we will be able to harness the rotational energy from Orwell's grave to solve all world energy problems.
I tend to think of Hate laws as anti-propoganda laws. Here in Canada we have anti-hate laws, and they seem to work well. The haterd isn't illegal, it's the spreading of your, umm, "theory" by lies and deciet that you are held accountable for. IOW, you can type "I don't think the Holocaust happened." and it will likley not get you in legal hot water, but "The Holocaust didn't happen and the Jews..." likley would, since you are deliberately trying to mislead someone into hating another ethnic group based on falsehoods.
Hatred spreads the same way our friends in Redmond try to discredit thier compeditors - by trying to teach everyone that others are bad through FUD. If we try to make the teaching of hatred carry some legal repercussions, the falsehoods will soon end, as well as the hatred and discrimination that come from spreading those falsehoods. This is an attepmt to "cut off the air supply" of discrimination at it's source.
Hey, say whatever the hell you want - it's a free country. I only ask 2 things - make sure I know it's only your opinion (unless you have iron clad, set in stone hard proof to back up your statements) and don't lie to me just to further your point. I hope this is the essence of the laws they try to enact, not the "thought police" like you suspect.
*sigh* Ottawa - where my tax dollars go to die.
Anyway, our intrepid (Score:4, Informative) poster has a glaring error - ottawa.com and canada.com are owned and operated by CanWest Interactive, a division of CanWest Global Communications Corp. I should know - my immediate supervisor (I work there) registered the domains.
The City of Ottawa's web site is at http://www.city.ottawa.on.ca/, just like most any other Canadian city (use www.city.cityname.xx.ca, where xx is the abriviated province name).
Soko
I've been actively researching this for quite some time now. I've come up with a few:
L'AnePOS - written in Perl, uses Tcl/TK for admin, PostgreSQL backend. Nice system, but the code needs cleanup. The project admin told me he should be updating it very soon.
Compiere - Whole ERP/CRM package including POS. Too big for small shops, just right for medium. Oracle backend, tho - expect to pay a bit for that.
BananaPOS - Not sure, development seems erratic.
There's JPos as well, though I'm not sure what backend it uses and Mercator, which is still in Alpha. I'm trying to get a project called Poszilla off the ground, too - Point of Sale based on Mozilla, which would truly be be platform independant, maybe even DB independant.
GPLed Point of Sale is getting there, I guess.
Soko
"Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and you get to sell him fishing gear for a lifetime." :-/
Soko
(A few update Tolkein; keep an eye out for a background character in The Two Towers who, in the middle of the battle, seems to take a call on his cellphone.)
Oh the irony...
Just remember after you post this you are now fair game. What??!? you ask?
If I'm in the theater to watch TTT for the first time, and you're in the very same theater but to see your fourth iteration, and you might be getting a little teensy bit bored, if you perchance forget where you are and you take a call on _your_ fucking cell phone, I get to kill you with my +5 Vorpal (Offical) LoTR Special DVDs.
Fair warning, OK?
Soko
_But when they start messing with my CLI, then it's personal. I'm not going to sit here and let Red Hat infect my beloved tcsh with those annoying quirks from bash._
... :-p )
The solution is quite simple: don't use redhat and quit whining. You don't own bash or csh and you sure as hell don't even remotely have the right to complain about the modifications redhat is making. It's free software and nobody is forcing you to use it.
*blink**blink* Henh?
Ohhh.... Is this thing on? Good. *AHEM*
Here ladies and gentlemen we have the common Nolifeium Nonhumourum Slashdoticus. Notice the serious countenance, the white skin and it's most distinctive marking, the flat, bald forehead from all of the jokes that go flying just over it. This particular species is closely related to the Userum Newbius Nocluseies, who also are prone to spouting off at the mouth with no clue and are usually just as humour impared. Please move along now, there's lot's more to see.
Soko
(Like the Smarticus Assunum Typesum
Going under temp is just as bad, if not worse, as going over temp. The cost-consious id10t who approved using an electrolyte based on H2O should be liberally bathed in it - it's the worst possible thing to put in a cap. Being water based, if the electrolyte in the capacitor freezes, it expands and basically mashes the caps plates together. If they touch, well, hope it was time for an upgrade. The electrolyte would normally act as anti-freeze, but being water based means that it freezes a lot sooner. All the wrong things happen with water in the capacitor.
If you fly, keep your electronic gear with you, since the baggage compartment of an airplane isn't usually temperature controlled. Or, if you live in Sweden, Canada or any place that can get low screen temps, keep that laptop in the car or someplace warm so you con't freeze a cap and blow up your gear. In any event, insulate it from temerature extremes whenever possible.
Soko
More like "charge you to get back your bits. The ones in your computer and your pants."
Soko
Yup. My wife demands at least 900s latency from me - sometimes more. 50ms would be ummm.. dissapointing to say the least.
Soko
Acees old data hunh?
[rons@localhost rons]$ cat weasel
cat: weasel: No such file or directory
[rons@localhost rons]$
Maybe it just needs a good driver. Otherwise, I doubt it will live up to it's purpose...
Soko
Nice post, but you assume that any human is capable of basic intelligent thought.
;^)
IME, many are not. This might lead one to the thought that maybe our machines are nearer to our intelligence level than we think.
Soko
You are correct in what you're saying about Apple. Things would be a lot worse - in fact, we might not have much at all, just MacOS 7.xx on more expensive hardware. Or the PC revolution might not of happened at all. Who knows - and it's all academic anyway. Apple could not now - nor will they ever - have too much power in the PC space, so we can play with thier toys without needing to worry about feeding a monster.
That being said, OS/X is in of itself cool. It's pretty, stable, reasonably fast and it is *nix under the eye candy. Geeks like that. Being an Apple product is secondary to the fact that it's a really nice OS.
Soko
heh.
Sports at 11: The Pittsburg Penguins anhialate the Seattle Butterflies. o_O
Way cool.
Soko