Well, of all the reading I have done in the past, all of the observations that I had done by visiting many churches(even other religions)... I made my mind up that I don't need the world explained to me. I feel what I feel. If there is an all powerful being, then he can damn me even if I do what I'm "told". I am alive. I will die. When I do, my body will be compost(if the state lets my family do so...side note, no government can tell me what I can or cannot do with my body damnit!). I won't care.
On a totally different subject than the bible, what happens to those who lived before the man commonly refered to as Jesus? What about those who have never heard of the fellow? What about babies? What about those who do not worship Jesus, but worship the same deity? Are they denied, or do they default to heavenly status? Again, I'm not trying to be a jerk, I just have never been given an answer that didn't require me to leave my sensabilities at the door.
I do appreciate the reply. I enjoy reading/hearing other's beliefs. I don't want to sound like a total jerk, but why, if #2 is true doesn't the almighty just zap a bible right down into my lap? Why is it they cost humans various capital to make/distribute? Why aren't there newer texts? Did the existence of man just sort of slip his mind and he decided that he didn't have to communicate anymore(don't tell me that praying is communicating, coming from a(once) blind faith guy... I've never heard back). I very much doubt #3/#4, I need proof. Anyway, thanks for the discussion... don't be afraid to continue!
If you believe every word of the bible is literally true, then how can you believe that every word of the Bible is true? Not to sound too redundant, but if Man is flawed, how could he have penned the bible? Asside from that, how can you account for the losses in translations? You do know that things have been added/omitted over time, right? So does that make the bible non-infaliable?
Again, I'm not trying to troll, nor am I trying to start a flame war, I m a skeptic who once upon a time was a sheepish fellow who believed everything he was told. I just want to hear it from some intelligent persons.
Excellent points, all. The main situation in government which allows corporations to run their fellow man over is the "bubba system". It is quite common in the area I live in(SE Georga, USA). The situation arises when you have an elected official who thinks he is helping out his country by helping out his friends who just so happen to run a large company. Eventually, it turns into a mutual "I scratch your back, you scratch mine" scenario. They can have all the good intentions they want, but they will succumb to the corruption and greed that persist in our government today. Once corporations were considered individuals with the same 'rights' as any one of us(minus voting... they get to do it with the spectacular spending power they have). Oh, and let's not forget about the career politicians! I conceed that corporate bodies use the government to exercise physical force upon those who do not share their views, do their work, etc. An excellent example would be the Ludlow Massacre, brought on by Rockafeller and executed by the US National Guard. I cannot even begin to express my utter disdain of that man, nor his cronies. They, along with good ol FDR are the reason that we as citizens have come to rely on the corrupt corporate government that we have today. We are only a few steps short of socialism with a capitalist spin(read not communist, for those who don't know the difference... look it up). The good of mankind is in the eye of the richest, I cannot deny that. However, if you divorce the state from the business altogether, then you won't see as much of this behemoth collusion. Will it happen... someday. I don't plan on seeing it anytime soon though. Not with heads of oil in power. Not with laws and treaties being used to set the path for global corporations. I do agree with one poster that LLCs must be done away with. It's just another kickback from the early days the Welfare State. I would like to thank those of you who have participated in this discussion, I enjoy reading other's opinions...and yes, my views are just that. Simple speculation.
Capitolism has nothing to do with a powerful state. You sir, have no idea of what you speak. It is quite the opposite. Capitolism is an economic term, not a political term. What you are talking about is political means, tyrrany, in a capitolist world. You seem to be so caught up in your socialist/utopian fervor, you can't even distinguish the difference between political and economic terminology. I reply, as I shall not stand down to ignorance. Get educated, or get out of the gene pool. If I were like minded as you, I would say that phrase should be law. Instead, I wish to let nature exclude the ignorant.
The way we have to view the whole situation is this: don't touch anything. If you regulate the life out of the various industries, then you will kill the economy, and we'll end up in a world somewhat like that which existed before the Industrial Revolution. If you don't touch anything, either the world will be destroyed, thinking will evolve toward a more gentile nature, or life on Earth will evolve. I can't speak for everyone, but I would much rather face the possibilities that would come of a non-regulatory state, than having the tyranny of an over-regulatory government be pushed down my throat. I believe the saying goes: "Give me Liberty, or give me Death!".
I acctually used Napster to grab old TV show themes and bootlegs of concerts that I could never in a million years make it to. In effect, I was stealing art that was inaccessible. You want to cart me off for it, come get me. I buy cds. I buy litteraly tons of DVDs. Don't tell me I'm hurting anyone. I'd still like to see the artists get the real money, not the distributors. They wouldn't even have a product if it weren't for the artists. And yes, I would buy the downloads of an album directly from the artist if it were available.
Not exactly correct. In Jedi, Luke asks Leia if she remembers her mother, to which she replies that she only remembers images, that she was very sad. If anything, they would slap some cheezy, editorially non-matching flashback to her childhood visions of her mother. Either way, it would be foolish to think that anyone but possibly Lucas's kids would get any entertainment from it.
Competition is the basis for most folks to get up and get innovating. This is the basis for most of the original antitrust law in the US. Not only does it get technical innovation, but it drives the price down in most situations. This is a good thing... I don't know if you noticed, but over the past year, Linux distros have started to get more and more expensive(box sets... not downloads). It is basically the same thing that food chains do: "We honor So&So Chicken's cupons!".
isn't that a direct fracture of the rules as set forth by the DMCA? That would, in effect, be a circumvention of copyright procections. If you don't agree to the terms of use, yet use the software, you have stolen intellectual properties that previously had (even if not tested) legal protection. I haven't noticed many people here stating that just because the GNU GPL hasn't been truly tested in court means it is invalid. I'm not saying I support any such laws, but it is the law, all the same.
This isn't meant as a flame, and I don't really care about Karma... I'm posting this because I would like to discuss it. That said, I'll continue
Are you one of those kids whose parents didn't give them a good, hard spanking with a thick leather belt when you did something you were told not to do? We, as Americans, have agreed to live here and by the rules of the elected government. That includes businesses. As my father once put it "As long as you live under my roof, you will live by my rules." Well, how about instead of worrying about the other kids who get to play in the street, why not truly punish the kid who did, even after being caught and being told numerous times not to. Spank them, send them to their room, don't let them go out and play with their friends, don't let them play video games. Make them do homework. Make them reflect. Make them a responsible citizen and member of our family. That is why we have a judicial system.
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Get a lawyer. Expensive, yes. Get a webpage up, get a bunch of links to it... Best Buy would hate to have it's site be second on the list at google. That, now that is cheap. Put the two together and you'll be sending the first shot to the vendors from the angered masses of consumers who get screwed on a daily basis. Huzzah!
Although a great idea, it'll never happen so long as certain people in positions of power are allowed to trampse on the rights of the consumer. They don't understand that the entertainment experience doesn't end where the original does... it never ends as long as it is allowed to be manipulated, twisted and mangled to the mind's delight.
I doubt that Kevin Smith minds when someone quotes his movie in an appropriate situation(comical). I also doubt that Lucas would mind if I made a tape of some kids playing with sticks and acting out jedi fight scenes, submit it to a film festival, and made money from it... would he?
I'd like to know what was so offensive about either one. Is it _your_ views that make it offensive? I just thought that Jar-jar was a little annoying, then again, I thought that Luke Skywalker was the biggest wuss in the world.
Whoah there fella... you are making far too much sense here. Why would anyone become a politician if they couldn't make money! lol Really, you should probably watch your back for a few years now that you have said something as 'terroristic' as that against the empire, er, government.;)
You noticed that too eh? Guess some Python-ites didn't like the prospect of being shown up! lol Just kidding folks, I think it's funny watching people argue about that sort of lameness sometimes, but in all honesty it gets boring.
Yup. It's getting to the point these days that I have to take a pepcid before I read/. . I can't stand the bologna that they are posting as headlines. Seems to me they are taking a tip from Robert D. Rayford of the "John-Boy and Billy BigShow" All that old drunk wants to do is start flame-wars.
No kidding. There is a damn good reason that "The Western World" Isn't paying for their net usage... they don't have the online population that we have. We have a real market. Plus, look at it this way: They pay for their bandwidth, we pay for ours... isn't that fair? It's not? But why? Oh yeah, because we are a 'developed' country. We have struggled through tyrrany, war and poverty and have come out on top. Our prize: we are expected to spoon feed the rest of the world until they can 1) bleed us dry or 2) kill us. Sound familiar?
An interesting counterpoint. However, as a side, I'd like to note that the trombone, being one of the first brass instruments, later evolved into the euphonium.:) Easy interface: buttons and simi-perminent adjustable valves. A lot easier for a beginner to use than one giant main valve. However, the other valves on it allow for the same flexibility as is found in the trombone. Interesting, now that I think of it! lol
I have googled the hell out of it. You should try to look up the fact that you have to control the direction of the satellite. Yes, there is software out there to control it, but you have to pay _another_ $100! No chance. And, so far, I have only found information about USB only. If you have any better information than what is on google, or usenet, by all means, I'm all ears. I'm not wasting my time. I've read more tech papers and complaints about why that stuff sucks for me to spend another byte on researching it. No offence meant, but I spent far too much time on that one search, and I got quite aggrivated with it.
No kidding. I'm getting a bit sick of the tripe these folks with fat pipes keep spouting. I'd like to see some of these folks drop back down to the three and a half hour download just for the kernel. I promise they wouldn't be so damn smug;)
Seriously though, it sounds like a great idea, and I am sure it is wonderful if you have the throughput, but let's face it... most folks don't.
Because if you live in a rural area such as myself, you and possibly three other people in the entire county will use the product. It would take about fifty years for them to pay off the cost of just the hardware that they have to install in the central office, much less the relay equiptment(and that's at a high charge price). I'm just going to take it, and either get several phone lines/isp accounts and MP it or I'm just going to stick with the crappy 26.4 connection I'm getting now. Don't bother to say anything about satellite, it sucks... bad. I'd say it is worth about a quarter of the price for the latency... not to mention I can't use it with my linux boxen(no MS products see the inside of my home).
until noone is listening. There are tons of folks out here in support land that are getting fed up with the askew view those chowder heads keep spewing. Mark my words, Ross Perot will laugh at just how out of the loop those guys will have gotten themselves with their "you can't do anything unless we say" rhetoric. Seems to me that they are on a one way trip to being ignored after all the stuff they have been pulling the past few years.
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Well, of all the reading I have done in the past, all of the observations that I had done by visiting many churches(even other religions)... I made my mind up that I don't need the world explained to me. I feel what I feel. If there is an all powerful being, then he can damn me even if I do what I'm "told". I am alive. I will die. When I do, my body will be compost(if the state lets my family do so...side note, no government can tell me what I can or cannot do with my body damnit!). I won't care.
On a totally different subject than the bible, what happens to those who lived before the man commonly refered to as Jesus? What about those who have never heard of the fellow? What about babies? What about those who do not worship Jesus, but worship the same deity? Are they denied, or do they default to heavenly status? Again, I'm not trying to be a jerk, I just have never been given an answer that didn't require me to leave my sensabilities at the door.
I do appreciate the reply. I enjoy reading/hearing other's beliefs. I don't want to sound like a total jerk, but why, if #2 is true doesn't the almighty just zap a bible right down into my lap? Why is it they cost humans various capital to make/distribute? Why aren't there newer texts? Did the existence of man just sort of slip his mind and he decided that he didn't have to communicate anymore(don't tell me that praying is communicating, coming from a(once) blind faith guy... I've never heard back). I very much doubt #3/#4, I need proof. Anyway, thanks for the discussion... don't be afraid to continue!
If you believe every word of the bible is literally true, then how can you believe that every word of the Bible is true? Not to sound too redundant, but if Man is flawed, how could he have penned the bible? Asside from that, how can you account for the losses in translations? You do know that things have been added/omitted over time, right? So does that make the bible non-infaliable?
Again, I'm not trying to troll, nor am I trying to start a flame war, I m a skeptic who once upon a time was a sheepish fellow who believed everything he was told. I just want to hear it from some intelligent persons.
Excellent points, all. The main situation in government which allows corporations to run their fellow man over is the "bubba system". It is quite common in the area I live in(SE Georga, USA). The situation arises when you have an elected official who thinks he is helping out his country by helping out his friends who just so happen to run a large company. Eventually, it turns into a mutual "I scratch your back, you scratch mine" scenario. They can have all the good intentions they want, but they will succumb to the corruption and greed that persist in our government today. Once corporations were considered individuals with the same 'rights' as any one of us(minus voting... they get to do it with the spectacular spending power they have). Oh, and let's not forget about the career politicians! I conceed that corporate bodies use the government to exercise physical force upon those who do not share their views, do their work, etc. An excellent example would be the Ludlow Massacre, brought on by Rockafeller and executed by the US National Guard. I cannot even begin to express my utter disdain of that man, nor his cronies. They, along with good ol FDR are the reason that we as citizens have come to rely on the corrupt corporate government that we have today. We are only a few steps short of socialism with a capitalist spin(read not communist, for those who don't know the difference... look it up). The good of mankind is in the eye of the richest, I cannot deny that. However, if you divorce the state from the business altogether, then you won't see as much of this behemoth collusion. Will it happen... someday. I don't plan on seeing it anytime soon though. Not with heads of oil in power. Not with laws and treaties being used to set the path for global corporations. I do agree with one poster that LLCs must be done away with. It's just another kickback from the early days the Welfare State. I would like to thank those of you who have participated in this discussion, I enjoy reading other's opinions...and yes, my views are just that. Simple speculation.
Capitolism has nothing to do with a powerful state. You sir, have no idea of what you speak. It is quite the opposite. Capitolism is an economic term, not a political term. What you are talking about is political means, tyrrany, in a capitolist world. You seem to be so caught up in your socialist/utopian fervor, you can't even distinguish the difference between political and economic terminology. I reply, as I shall not stand down to ignorance. Get educated, or get out of the gene pool. If I were like minded as you, I would say that phrase should be law. Instead, I wish to let nature exclude the ignorant.
The way we have to view the whole situation is this: don't touch anything. If you regulate the life out of the various industries, then you will kill the economy, and we'll end up in a world somewhat like that which existed before the Industrial Revolution. If you don't touch anything, either the world will be destroyed, thinking will evolve toward a more gentile nature, or life on Earth will evolve. I can't speak for everyone, but I would much rather face the possibilities that would come of a non-regulatory state, than having the tyranny of an over-regulatory government be pushed down my throat. I believe the saying goes: "Give me Liberty, or give me Death!".
I acctually used Napster to grab old TV show themes and bootlegs of concerts that I could never in a million years make it to. In effect, I was stealing art that was inaccessible. You want to cart me off for it, come get me. I buy cds. I buy litteraly tons of DVDs. Don't tell me I'm hurting anyone. I'd still like to see the artists get the real money, not the distributors. They wouldn't even have a product if it weren't for the artists. And yes, I would buy the downloads of an album directly from the artist if it were available.
Not exactly correct. In Jedi, Luke asks Leia if she remembers her mother, to which she replies that she only remembers images, that she was very sad. If anything, they would slap some cheezy, editorially non-matching flashback to her childhood visions of her mother. Either way, it would be foolish to think that anyone but possibly Lucas's kids would get any entertainment from it.
Competition is the basis for most folks to get up and get innovating. This is the basis for most of the original antitrust law in the US. Not only does it get technical innovation, but it drives the price down in most situations. This is a good thing... I don't know if you noticed, but over the past year, Linux distros have started to get more and more expensive(box sets... not downloads). It is basically the same thing that food chains do: "We honor So&So Chicken's cupons!".
isn't that a direct fracture of the rules as set forth by the DMCA? That would, in effect, be a circumvention of copyright procections. If you don't agree to the terms of use, yet use the software, you have stolen intellectual properties that previously had (even if not tested) legal protection. I haven't noticed many people here stating that just because the GNU GPL hasn't been truly tested in court means it is invalid. I'm not saying I support any such laws, but it is the law, all the same.
Are you one of those kids whose parents didn't give them a good, hard spanking with a thick leather belt when you did something you were told not to do? We, as Americans, have agreed to live here and by the rules of the elected government. That includes businesses. As my father once put it "As long as you live under my roof, you will live by my rules." Well, how about instead of worrying about the other kids who get to play in the street, why not truly punish the kid who did, even after being caught and being told numerous times not to. Spank them, send them to their room, don't let them go out and play with their friends, don't let them play video games. Make them do homework. Make them reflect. Make them a responsible citizen and member of our family. That is why we have a judicial system.
Get a lawyer. Expensive, yes. Get a webpage up, get a bunch of links to it... Best Buy would hate to have it's site be second on the list at google. That, now that is cheap. Put the two together and you'll be sending the first shot to the vendors from the angered masses of consumers who get screwed on a daily basis. Huzzah!
Although a great idea, it'll never happen so long as certain people in positions of power are allowed to trampse on the rights of the consumer. They don't understand that the entertainment experience doesn't end where the original does... it never ends as long as it is allowed to be manipulated, twisted and mangled to the mind's delight.
I doubt that Kevin Smith minds when someone quotes his movie in an appropriate situation(comical). I also doubt that Lucas would mind if I made a tape of some kids playing with sticks and acting out jedi fight scenes, submit it to a film festival, and made money from it... would he?
I'd like to know what was so offensive about either one. Is it _your_ views that make it offensive? I just thought that Jar-jar was a little annoying, then again, I thought that Luke Skywalker was the biggest wuss in the world.
Whoah there fella... you are making far too much sense here. Why would anyone become a politician if they couldn't make money! lol Really, you should probably watch your back for a few years now that you have said something as 'terroristic' as that against the empire, er, government. ;)
You noticed that too eh? Guess some Python-ites didn't like the prospect of being shown up! lol
Just kidding folks, I think it's funny watching people argue about that sort of lameness sometimes, but in all honesty it gets boring.
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Yup. It's getting to the point these days that I have to take a pepcid before I read /. . I can't stand the bologna that they are posting as headlines. Seems to me they are taking a tip from Robert D. Rayford of the "John-Boy and Billy BigShow" All that old drunk wants to do is start flame-wars.
What, you mean like tobacco and peanuts? Heck, what am I saying? The whole world revolves around moochers getting handouts!
No kidding. There is a damn good reason that "The Western World" Isn't paying for their net usage... they don't have the online population that we have. We have a real market. Plus, look at it this way: They pay for their bandwidth, we pay for ours... isn't that fair? It's not? But why? Oh yeah, because we are a 'developed' country. We have struggled through tyrrany, war and poverty and have come out on top. Our prize: we are expected to spoon feed the rest of the world until they can 1) bleed us dry or 2) kill us. Sound familiar?
An interesting counterpoint. However, as a side, I'd like to note that the trombone, being one of the first brass instruments, later evolved into the euphonium. :) Easy interface: buttons and simi-perminent adjustable valves. A lot easier for a beginner to use than one giant main valve. However, the other valves on it allow for the same flexibility as is found in the trombone. Interesting, now that I think of it! lol
I have googled the hell out of it. You should try to look up the fact that you have to control the direction of the satellite. Yes, there is software out there to control it, but you have to pay _another_ $100! No chance. And, so far, I have only found information about USB only. If you have any better information than what is on google, or usenet, by all means, I'm all ears. I'm not wasting my time. I've read more tech papers and complaints about why that stuff sucks for me to spend another byte on researching it. No offence meant, but I spent far too much time on that one search, and I got quite aggrivated with it.
No kidding. I'm getting a bit sick of the tripe these folks with fat pipes keep spouting. I'd like to see some of these folks drop back down to the three and a half hour download just for the kernel. I promise they wouldn't be so damn smug ;)
Seriously though, it sounds like a great idea, and I am sure it is wonderful if you have the throughput, but let's face it... most folks don't.
Because if you live in a rural area such as myself, you and possibly three other people in the entire county will use the product. It would take about fifty years for them to pay off the cost of just the hardware that they have to install in the central office, much less the relay equiptment(and that's at a high charge price). I'm just going to take it, and either get several phone lines/isp accounts and MP it or I'm just going to stick with the crappy 26.4 connection I'm getting now. Don't bother to say anything about satellite, it sucks... bad. I'd say it is worth about a quarter of the price for the latency... not to mention I can't use it with my linux boxen(no MS products see the inside of my home).
until noone is listening. There are tons of folks out here in support land that are getting fed up with the askew view those chowder heads keep spewing. Mark my words, Ross Perot will laugh at just how out of the loop those guys will have gotten themselves with their "you can't do anything unless we say" rhetoric. Seems to me that they are on a one way trip to being ignored after all the stuff they have been pulling the past few years.