Yet another person who missed what NWN is all about; The single player is not the main part of the game, unlike Baldur's gate (really great game too)...And I managed to also finish the Official Campaign within a week, but something I found:
http://www.neverwinterconnections.com
And then
http://www.layonara.com
There are some amazing modules and even semi persistant worlds available, even with different rules and game items/monsters.
Yes the Official Campaign is kind of short, but still very good. Would be nice to end up on the side of evil for a change, something that was not part of it.
The new expansion is supposed to add a lot more feats and spells to the game, along with a longer more involved Official Campain. Its called Shadows of Urentide.
Oh I forgot the toolset, which partly thanks to Borland's floundering around won't be natively supported in Linux nor Mac...Buit openknights.sourceforge.net are trying to create their own tools to cover this omission.
Overall, the wording still very very much stands as it is: Huge Time sink.
You might want to try the SuSE mailing list, that way you will be in direct contact with other SuSE users and I am sure at least a few will be able to answer this questions from the viewpoint of a consumer:).
2. First time, I am allowing for mistakes like this on their first outing.
If they get enough interest perhaps they shall try again with another game and this time they had better bloody well get it right from the start. As someone else pointed out they messed up at the start with regards to cross platform issues.
As for the Toolset, they relied on Borland saying that Borland C++ was going to be out for Linux, but Borland decided to add it onto Kylix. Heard of no plans to now try porting the toolset to Linux.
Played NWN and Baldurs Gate...And I am not sure why someone chose to mod up this opinion. NWN is nothing like D2, sure Chapter 1 kinda sucks, but then it really takes off.
Although with these types of games save/load tends to help a lot in single player. Did like the Green Griffon challenge quite a bit though:). Although thats as far as I got with my Pally.
Where this is likely to shine the most is with Multiplayer, the above poster obviously has not found a good DM to be with. NWN actually allows too for hack'n slash, but depending on DM and module it does allow for the closest RPG experience there is.
Baldurs Gate; Great Single player games, no doubting that:). But it wasn't as close to pen and paper D&D...Nor was it 3rd edition as far as I recall.
Mandrake in Chapter 11 (well French version), SuSE not.
SuSE may not have ISO's, one reason is some apps cannot be put on CD....
Mandrake setup a Members Club and has begged -Twice- for monetry assistance, SuSE don't offer ISO downloads, but do offer FTP installs...Which one is the better?
Well no ISO's probably bring in some more money:).
Seriously, I'd be very surprised if they followed RH's example, the mechanism just does not seem to be there for it as they routinely mirror the updates to other servers.
Add in Red Carpet too I just don't see this happening at least for quite sometime.
If anyone ever used visualization as a tool knows how powerful that can be, this gives me an idea; Einstein visualized things like time and speed of light, imagine using DreamWorks type graphics to bring these to the screen?
I don't know...Perhaps an anti-X-Files show where the Dana Scully type character is the one that is always right, whilst the other agent who believes in every weird is always wrong...Yet the explanations can be still be fascinating.
Unfortuantely it seems that the media cannot think outside their own self imposed box with regards to this as they seem to believe real science to be bad on the screen...I'm not so sure about this in every case.
Is EQ...People have invested a lot of time and in many cases real money to get the characters to where they want them. And as you know, this is something he did touch upon, there is a lot of content in EQ and they have been adding more and more over time...So all this makes it hard for someone to just quit and move onto other games.
EQ 2 will be out this year and I really believe it may encounter the same issue with regards to getting players to switch...They have stated they will not actually close Eq 1 until it becomes less profitable. Indeed if indicators include server merger vs server expansion then Sony are in the process of putting a new server online due to increasing subscription.
Actually started late in EQ and the reasons:
1. UK had no free dial up access
2. Box price + subscription seemed too expensive. Actually having to buy a box put me off for a long time
"Oh look IBM you're sharing code that makes Linux so much better and we didn't want Linux to do well at all".
Isn't this like biting the hand that feeds you indirectly? We're not talking Adobe, where most people never heard of those DMCA cases, we're talking high end server areas where this sort of news travels. Sure a billion dollars would be helpful, but if you've soured relations in a market where you don't have a monopoly...
"IBM probably has more technology patents than any other company on Earth (and possibly other planets, too early to tell). I'm willing to bet they can find hundreds of violations in SCO's product lines and bury them"
Ok, so what happens if an alien civilization visits earth and we try to sue them over patent infringements? Dunno about you, but I'd not argue...
They just should not be used by any third party, one thing I was amazed on after moving from the UK to the US was just how many companies/people here ask for that information when really its not necessary.
Absolutely right, I have noticed older Mac's circa 1999 or even a bit earlier still being used successfully. On the PC side the upgrade treadmill, especially with regards to running later versions of Windows could well offset the initial cost of the Mac.
"If anything Apple's star is getting brighter. I'm writing this from a box running OSX and I've used Linux for 4 years off and on. I recently used KDE 3.1 and RedHat 8.0 which anyone with a basic sense of reality knows are now for all intents and purposes the vanguard of Linux in the mainstream. KDE 3.1 can't hold a candle to OSX on the desktop. RPM and RedCarpet are jokes compared to Apple's updater. Java on Linux compared to OSX? Puhlease! Almost every UNIX geek I know locally now uses or plans to use OSX as their main OS. There is something irresistable about being able to run GCC in one window and WC3 in another. The nerds that think that blackbox, windowmaker and afterstep are real desktops aren't on Apple's radars and they shouldn't be. They're a waste of time for a company that makes a real desktop platform.
Linux desktop developers should quite frankly give up and ask the OpenBeOS team how they can help if they really want a good OSS desktop. Linux isn't faster than either OS X or WinXP on the desktop and only BeOS is arguably archetecturally superior to all of the above. All too often I've found that the only people who really think that Linux or BSD is the universal hammer fit for every nail mankind encounters are people whose boxes are running Mandrake, with graphical login and never touch the command line. Don't get me wrong, Linux is great for a lot of things, but it shouldn't even try against OS X. It's a battle Linux will lose before it even gets to the start line."
You were doing so well without going through this opinionated bullcrap. Not saying that OS X is good, which it is, but its not going to be for everyone. Nothing ever is; So you'd gladly replace a Microsoft monopoly with an Apple one?
As for the KDE 3.1 and Redhat 8.0, where did you get the RPM's from, there are none listed over on http://www.kde.org
Finally, without Linux and Apple's previous involvment with mkLinux OS X may not be what it is today, or in the future and this without touching on Apple usage of Safari, which I have now touched upon. Yes Safari is built upon Konqueror, in case you didn't know. So following your example they should just stop independent development on another platform?
Personnally I prefer KDE 3.1 over OS X, but that is my personal opinion and preference, and yes I use OS X 10.2.3 8 hours a days 5 days a week, I like it but still prefer KDE, even though Konqi has some issues with Javascript at this time.
How many of you read through the details? Not even sure Michael did either:
Basically you're expected to work 10 hours a week, so its part time. If the team makes a good enough game it will be marketed and sold by LGP worldwide. 70% of profits go to the development team.
This seems to be more commissioned based, your income based upon sales, thats pretty good incentive to make a darn good game.
StarTux PS Go and read it and make your own mind up.
"It's the average cliche of the typical MMORPG experience, that pretty much everone knows. Including Robert Schimmel who has a whole bit about it during a comedy show. I'm not alone in the "MMORPG/AOL is there for bald and fat 40 year old men to pretend they are 18 bi-curious hot chicks"... I'm glad that you are so literal here, because it really makes you look like an idiot."
Oh so your life is watching MTV, you're such a dupe...Never heard that viewpoint because I don't hang around other id10t's....
StarTux PS Only really having a go at someone who is basing their entire view on some screenshots, that makes you look far more stupid than the average rock. This game is a large puzzle, but you failed to even fathom that.
"Oh, you mean like the Sims Online. I'm sorry, but if they want to appeal to an audience, they need to ensure their graphics don't look like ass. People don't want to play a game that looks like it's 10 years old unless they're collectors and it reminds them of the young days of video games. Like playing Super Mario Brothers on the original NES."
You're speaking crap, utter brainless drivel. If you played this game with a half open mind you'd think the graphics were actually quite good.
"MMORPGs cater towards the portion of people who get off on talking to imaginary people. If you want to pay $13.95 to grow some imaginary grapes, and masturbate to a 40 year old man named "Cleopatra" than go right ahead, I'm not one to stop you. I'm just saying that the political interplay is over-rated, and I don't think this game did a good job with it, as opposed to the other alternatives (TSO, EQ, and all the other MMORPGs)"
You're just saying basic crap again. Where is this 40 year old guy called "Cleopatra", oh wait you never played it...
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Yet another person who missed what NWN is all about; The single player is not the main part of the game, unlike Baldur's gate (really great game too)...And I managed to also finish the Official Campaign within a week, but something I found:
http://www.neverwinterconnections.com
And then
http://www.layonara.com
There are some amazing modules and even semi persistant worlds available, even with different rules and game items/monsters.
Yes the Official Campaign is kind of short, but still very good. Would be nice to end up on the side of evil for a change, something that was not part of it.
The new expansion is supposed to add a lot more feats and spells to the game, along with a longer more involved Official Campain. Its called Shadows of Urentide.
Oh I forgot the toolset, which partly thanks to Borland's floundering around won't be natively supported in Linux nor Mac...Buit openknights.sourceforge.net are trying to create their own tools to cover this omission.
Overall, the wording still very very much stands as it is: Huge Time sink.
StarTux
I have not been following the kernel that closely for awhile; What binary issue in the kernel are you alluding to?
You might want to try the SuSE mailing list, that way you will be in direct contact with other SuSE users and I am sure at least a few will be able to answer this questions from the viewpoint of a consumer :).
StarTux
"The Slashdot guide to the Slashdot effect"
In smaller print:
Business guide to avoding web slow downs.
Thought I'd keep my typo/spelling mistake for real effect...
StarTux
I am supporting it for two reasons:
1. NWN is a good game
2. First time, I am allowing for mistakes like this on their first outing.
If they get enough interest perhaps they shall try again with another game and this time they had better bloody well get it right from the start. As someone else pointed out they messed up at the start with regards to cross platform issues.
As for the Toolset, they relied on Borland saying that Borland C++ was going to be out for Linux, but Borland decided to add it onto Kylix. Heard of no plans to now try porting the toolset to Linux.
StarTux
Indeed,
Try manual patching, will get updater to 1.14, then I had to do a manual patch rebuild as it was having issues, then it worked and updated.
StarTux
Played NWN and Baldurs Gate...And I am not sure why someone chose to mod up this opinion. NWN is nothing like D2, sure Chapter 1 kinda sucks, but then it really takes off.
:). Although thats as far as I got with my Pally.
:). But it wasn't as close to pen and paper D&D...Nor was it 3rd edition as far as I recall.
Although with these types of games save/load tends to help a lot in single player. Did like the Green Griffon challenge quite a bit though
Where this is likely to shine the most is with Multiplayer, the above poster obviously has not found a good DM to be with. NWN actually allows too for hack'n slash, but depending on DM and module it does allow for the closest RPG experience there is.
Baldurs Gate; Great Single player games, no doubting that
StarTux
Not even Tuxamillion? The Penguin version of Maximillion?
StarTux
Its just got to happen:
Sony sue's itself due to percieved copyright infringement
Sony uses the DMCA against itself in America.
StarTux
Lets see....
Mandrake in Chapter 11 (well French version), SuSE not.
SuSE may not have ISO's, one reason is some apps cannot be put on CD....
Mandrake setup a Members Club and has begged -Twice- for monetry assistance, SuSE don't offer ISO downloads, but do offer FTP installs...Which one is the better?
StarTux
Well no ISO's probably bring in some more money :).
Seriously, I'd be very surprised if they followed RH's example, the mechanism just does not seem to be there for it as they routinely mirror the updates to other servers.
Add in Red Carpet too I just don't see this happening at least for quite sometime.
StarTux
Well you can get it via FTP about a month after release for free.
Personnally I don't miss ISO's.
StarTux
If anyone ever used visualization as a tool knows how powerful that can be, this gives me an idea; Einstein visualized things like time and speed of light, imagine using DreamWorks type graphics to bring these to the screen?
I don't know...Perhaps an anti-X-Files show where the Dana Scully type character is the one that is always right, whilst the other agent who believes in every weird is always wrong...Yet the explanations can be still be fascinating.
Unfortuantely it seems that the media cannot think outside their own self imposed box with regards to this as they seem to believe real science to be bad on the screen...I'm not so sure about this in every case.
StarTux
NeverWinter Nights Linux client?
Kernel 2.6?
StarTux
Is EQ...People have invested a lot of time and in many cases real money to get the characters to where they want them. And as you know, this is something he did touch upon, there is a lot of content in EQ and they have been adding more and more over time...So all this makes it hard for someone to just quit and move onto other games.
EQ 2 will be out this year and I really believe it may encounter the same issue with regards to getting players to switch...They have stated they will not actually close Eq 1 until it becomes less profitable. Indeed if indicators include server merger vs server expansion then Sony are in the process of putting a new server online due to increasing subscription.
Actually started late in EQ and the reasons:
1. UK had no free dial up access
2. Box price + subscription seemed too expensive. Actually having to buy a box put me off for a long time
just imho.
StarTux
What does this mean for United Linux?
"Oh look IBM you're sharing code that makes Linux so much better and we didn't want Linux to do well at all".
Isn't this like biting the hand that feeds you indirectly? We're not talking Adobe, where most people never heard of those DMCA cases, we're talking high end server areas where this sort of news travels. Sure a billion dollars would be helpful, but if you've soured relations in a market where you don't have a monopoly...
StarTux
Then I hope all the strategic partners:
http://www.caldera.com/company/partners/
Will break away from SCO/Caldera. Nothing quite like isolating them...
"IBM probably has more technology patents than any other company on Earth (and possibly other planets, too early to tell). I'm willing to bet they can find hundreds of violations in SCO's product lines and bury them"
Ok, so what happens if an alien civilization visits earth and we try to sue them over patent infringements? Dunno about you, but I'd not argue...
StarTux
They just should not be used by any third party, one thing I was amazed on after moving from the UK to the US was just how many companies/people here ask for that information when really its not necessary.
StarTux
Absolutely right, I have noticed older Mac's circa 1999 or even a bit earlier still being used successfully. On the PC side the upgrade treadmill, especially with regards to running later versions of Windows could well offset the initial cost of the Mac.
StarTux
"If anything Apple's star is getting brighter. I'm writing this from a box running OSX and I've used Linux for 4 years off and on. I recently used KDE 3.1 and RedHat 8.0 which anyone with a basic sense of reality knows are now for all intents and purposes the vanguard of Linux in the mainstream. KDE 3.1 can't hold a candle to OSX on the desktop. RPM and RedCarpet are jokes compared to Apple's updater. Java on Linux compared to OSX? Puhlease! Almost every UNIX geek I know locally now uses or plans to use OSX as their main OS. There is something irresistable about being able to run GCC in one window and WC3 in another. The nerds that think that blackbox, windowmaker and afterstep are real desktops aren't on Apple's radars and they shouldn't be. They're a waste of time for a company that makes a real desktop platform.
Linux desktop developers should quite frankly give up and ask the OpenBeOS team how they can help if they really want a good OSS desktop. Linux isn't faster than either OS X or WinXP on the desktop and only BeOS is arguably archetecturally superior to all of the above. All too often I've found that the only people who really think that Linux or BSD is the universal hammer fit for every nail mankind encounters are people whose boxes are running Mandrake, with graphical login and never touch the command line. Don't get me wrong, Linux is great for a lot of things, but it shouldn't even try against OS X. It's a battle Linux will lose before it even gets to the start line."
You were doing so well without going through this opinionated bullcrap. Not saying that OS X is good, which it is, but its not going to be for everyone. Nothing ever is; So you'd gladly replace a Microsoft monopoly with an Apple one?
As for the KDE 3.1 and Redhat 8.0, where did you get the RPM's from, there are none listed over on http://www.kde.org
Finally, without Linux and Apple's previous involvment with mkLinux OS X may not be what it is today, or in the future and this without touching on Apple usage of Safari, which I have now touched upon. Yes Safari is built upon Konqueror, in case you didn't know. So following your example they should just stop independent development on another platform?
Personnally I prefer KDE 3.1 over OS X, but that is my personal opinion and preference, and yes I use OS X 10.2.3 8 hours a days 5 days a week, I like it but still prefer KDE, even though Konqi has some issues with Javascript at this time.
StarTux
How many of you read through the details? Not even sure Michael did either:
Basically you're expected to work 10 hours a week, so its part time. If the team makes a good enough game it will be marketed and sold by LGP worldwide. 70% of profits go to the development team.
This seems to be more commissioned based, your income based upon sales, thats pretty good incentive to make a darn good game.
StarTux
PS Go and read it and make your own mind up.
Huh,
Been living in a closet? We have SDL (http://www.libsdl.org) and FLTK (http://www.fltk.org). Not to mention OpenAL nor Miles sound system.
Winex is good for those games that either had a developer who would never port to Linux (aka Microsoft).
As for DirectX, well if you follow any game related mailing list you'd know DX9 has been causing a lot of issues with games...
StarTux
"It's the average cliche of the typical MMORPG experience, that pretty much everone knows. Including Robert Schimmel who has a whole bit about it during a comedy show. I'm not alone in the "MMORPG/AOL is there for bald and fat 40 year old men to pretend they are 18 bi-curious hot chicks"... I'm glad that you are so literal here, because it really makes you look like an idiot."
Oh so your life is watching MTV, you're such a dupe...Never heard that viewpoint because I don't hang around other id10t's....
StarTux
PS Only really having a go at someone who is basing their entire view on some screenshots, that makes you look far more stupid than the average rock. This game is a large puzzle, but you failed to even fathom that.
"Oh, you mean like the Sims Online. I'm sorry, but if they want to appeal to an audience, they need to ensure their graphics don't look like ass. People don't want to play a game that looks like it's 10 years old unless they're collectors and it reminds them of the young days of video games. Like playing Super Mario Brothers on the original NES."
You're speaking crap, utter brainless drivel. If you played this game with a half open mind you'd think the graphics were actually quite good.
"MMORPGs cater towards the portion of people who get off on talking to imaginary people. If you want to pay $13.95 to grow some imaginary grapes, and masturbate to a 40 year old man named "Cleopatra" than go right ahead, I'm not one to stop you. I'm just saying that the political interplay is over-rated, and I don't think this game did a good job with it, as opposed to the other alternatives (TSO, EQ, and all the other MMORPGs)"
You're just saying basic crap again. Where is this 40 year old guy called "Cleopatra", oh wait you never played it...
What a dunce...
StarTux