This might be a shot in the dark but I think you use all those above services to d/l music to your hearts content. If not you who posted that comment then I'm sure there's someone out there on/. that feels the same way about the stealing movies and yet is prob downloading the latest Pink album for his g/f.
As for me, if I get the inclination to d/l the movie I will. Just as if I get the inclination to d/l the latest Pink album for my g/f I'll do that too. The RIAA/MPAA can suck my ass if they think I dont feel cheated for having to pay $10 to see a POS movie or $20 for its sound track. I mean, it's fuckin cheaper to sit in the bleachers of Yankee Stadium then it is to see a movie these days. Lets see who wins this mexican standoff, the consumer or the RIAA/MPAA.
I think Space Balls had one of the more astute observations when it comes to movies...
it was the scene where Bill Pullman meets Yogurt in the underground desert complex and he's showing off all the SpaceBalls stuff..."Moychendising, Moychendising, Moychendising!"
so expect LOTR The Toilet Paper, LOTR The bedsheets, LOTR The Crayon Set and best of all, LOTR The Flame Thrower (the kids love this one).
firstly, I would have emailed you cuz I didnt want to discuss this on/. but since I dont troll I can sacrifice some karma:)
anyway, I guess the biggest gap in our opinions is over good spam. UCE from respectable, reputable people to me is a good thing. They are the companies I send my money to.
If someone on the bugtraq list came up with a commercial app that he wanted people on the list to beta test for him I would consider doing it. If he later offered it to subscribers (as before, via the list) at a substantially deep discount I wouldnt mind that either.
My two examples up there are figurative, as opposed to the literal ones I gave you the first time.
Victoria's Secret sends catalogs to my g/f, Thinkgeek sends me pamphlets and Cisco sends product announcements and specs. I like em all. I hold them in the same regard. Spam can be good...but not often:)
Opting-out is not a valid mechanism, because as you know many spammers use opt-out responses as a way to maintain their lists of valid email addresses.
You are correct, but my point is that for those of us who dont rely on spamming as our sole source of income, it's done responsibly. IOW there isnt a volture waiting for all those opt out emails to come in so he can sell them at a higher premium. I like to think that for most private corps that do these things (like mine), opt out means opt out.
from the original post that got us both going... This was emailed to our real customers - our 'A list'. These are the people who get invited to these parties each time - people who come and enjoy the food and drinks, no strings attached.
reading your reply I wonder if you have ever ran a business. Believe it or not (are you sitting down?) email is a very effective way of keeping your customers in touch with what your company is up to. If you're clever,(you're still sitting right?) those people might even be interested in the products that can supplement the things they already bought! On the other hand, it's my responsibility to take them off those lists at their request. Thats a business plan that even predates the internet. Shocking aint it? I know!
Sarcasm aside, it's not much of a leap in logic to assume that people who bought things from you in the past might also be interested in your new products. Most of my vendors that I trust with my money and investment I also trust with my email address. Most, not all. Besides, I like keeping up with their new products. I stay informed that way.
But isnt that spam you ask? The answer is no. When Cisco sends me (unsolicited) specs on their firewall after I bought their VOIP gateway I dont take that as an intrusion on my space. When someone from Palm Beach tells me that for 10 grand I could get rich even quicker that is SPAM. See the difference?
Obviously this is all subjective but I think you're being harsh when you label a party invatation as spam. If I sent you a nice, fancy invatation to my New Years party via snail mail would you call me up and yell at me for sending you junk mail?
I would never go to a party announced via spam, even if it were at the Playboy mansion with hot and cold running blondes.
we call this "talkin out (of) your ass" in my neighborhood.
You run the weblog, you have the final auth concerning the posts.
I know that sounds overly simplistic but anything that falls outside the scope of protecting yourself legally you can decide what goes and what stays. Whether that means letting people stray into OT conversations via moderation or lack thereof is up to you. If you feel you have a legal issue to deal with, consult a lawyer that specializes in libel and slander.
Again concerning the non-legal issues... If you feel strongly enough about something that bothers you on your BBS (note I didnt say something you disagree with) wield your authority. If you do your best to be fair, people will appreciate that and anyone who doesnt like it can be reminded that another discussion board just like yours is only a google search away.
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It wasnt the decline of arcades that killed em it's their own propietary games. When you release a console that only 10% of American kids can even consider affording you'll never make the money to become a corporate super power. Nintendo's consoles were like pizza stores in NY... fuckin everywhere, and cheap. They also couldnt sell their systems at a loss like MS does cuz you cant sell licenses to your own company (duh). It's not like they got to see any of my quarters either, the owners of those coin ops kept em all.
When I think of why SNK failed I think of games that were too good to be affordable. Arcades gave their stuff impact but the home market == longevity. They gave it a hell of a go but (IMO) they put their eggs in the wrong basket.
When I found out that their fantastic home system was gonna cost $600 upfront and $300per game I laughed.
"It's one thing to be criticized for what we do - that's fair game. But to be vilified for what we don't do - that's very disheartening."
Its funny you should quote that statement. Ever since the RIAA became Slashdot Enemy #1 its been plainly obvious that they're becoming more and more hostile towards it's customers by saying, "No you cant copy/backup your cd's" and then doing whatever it takes to stop us from not only from doing it, but from even thinking of doing it.
If I were there when that statement was made then my follow woulda been "How would you respond to that as being an interpretation of the RIAA's attitude towards its customers?"
1) You can partly blame Intel like AMD is doing. The average person who reads techextreme.com and considers themselves informed still says, "The Mac is only 500 Mhz, that PC is already runnin at 1400 Mhz. It must be 3 times faster.
note: bad math done on purpose
2) Prices! Macs might be easier to use, I even suspect that the above techextreme reader knows that but they are also expensive. He gets junk mail from Dell saying that he can buy a P4 or P3 for $899 while his daily newspapaper tells him an iMac is about $300 more. The price delta between high end machines is at least $1000, and that's that bottom of the high-end scale.
I mean, come on. Realistcally I can at least empathize when the gov't says that sometimes it has to operate outside the legal system in issues of National Sec. I wouldnt want a suspected terrorist to know he's being monitored. I might fall under that same watchfull eye but that's a sacrifice I'd make.
But why would a hacker court need to be so secretive? If the gov't is afraid of a group of people being able to shut down and disrupt major networks, then those networks need to be secured, not the system for monitoring them and prosecuting them! I mean, those old farts in office invented that stupid saying of ounce of prevention, pound of cure!
I dont think it's in NASA's best interest as an institution or as a research facility to give up control of any aspect of the missions. Its still publicly funded research which should yield results to the gov't (and eventually to the people). If sponsorship turned into influence it might as well not even be NASA doing this research.
As many of you may already know, the Verizon building at Water Street where a number of OC48's converged was practically destroyed. What isnt buried under rubble is flooded underground. This affected lots of businesses including mine in Midtown.
The other CO on Broad street took on a lot of traffic as a result and a good source told me that Verizon expects the rebuilding project complete no sooner then in two years. ouch!
Actually most fingerprint scanners derive mathematical equations from the image of your fingerprint. Thats how the recognition part works. It wouldnt be much of a stretch to carry it over as part of the key used to encrypt the data.
The time diff between the first crash and the second is only about 20 minutes. I think most of the people didn't need to be told that they need to evacuate Tower 2 after Tower 1 was attacked. Most NYers do have that whatever attitude, that much is true, but sticking around would be stupid. Having been in there a number of times, I don't think the majority of the people had the time or even the ability to escape but I pray I'm wrong.
They prob wont let you get away with Leisure Suit Larry but my other Fav's like the Space Quest series, the Kings Quest series, the Quest for Glory series and dont forget the Monkey Islands (LucasArts). They all are non-violent, all involve a lot of concentration and problem solving and can be really really funny at times.
But if litteracy is going to be a hurdle that you'll need to overcome you might want to take a walk through a public schools software library. I once saved $1000 in consultants fees doing that!:)
The Clearest Statement that HP has made this week about the future of Tru64 Unix (D/UX), Open VMS, and the Itanic platform has appeared on a news forum at tru64.org.
based on this posting by an inforworld reporter on Tru64.org.
Security focus recently touched on this very subject. Except what they talked about were AV companies spreading virus paranoia to drive sales. If you think about it, there are a lot of parallels in the evil behind writing an inflamatory virus report to boost your ass out of the red and passing off an advertisement as an objective review. Maybe if this shakeout does enough damage to the payees, the backlash will carry over the payers.
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This might be a shot in the dark but I think you use all those above services to d/l music to your hearts content. If not you who posted that comment then I'm sure there's someone out there on /. that feels the same way about the stealing movies and yet is prob downloading the latest Pink album for his g/f.
As for me, if I get the inclination to d/l the movie I will. Just as if I get the inclination to d/l the latest Pink album for my g/f I'll do that too. The RIAA/MPAA can suck my ass if they think I dont feel cheated for having to pay $10 to see a POS movie or $20 for its sound track. I mean, it's fuckin cheaper to sit in the bleachers of Yankee Stadium then it is to see a movie these days. Lets see who wins this mexican standoff, the consumer or the RIAA/MPAA.
I think Space Balls had one of the more astute observations when it comes to movies...
it was the scene where Bill Pullman meets Yogurt in the underground desert complex and he's showing off all the SpaceBalls stuff..."Moychendising, Moychendising, Moychendising!"
so expect LOTR The Toilet Paper, LOTR The bedsheets, LOTR The Crayon Set and best of all, LOTR The Flame Thrower (the kids love this one).
firstly, I would have emailed you cuz I didnt want to discuss this on /. but since I dont troll I can sacrifice some karma :)
:)
anyway, I guess the biggest gap in our opinions is over good spam. UCE from respectable, reputable people to me is a good thing. They are the companies I send my money to.
If someone on the bugtraq list came up with a commercial app that he wanted people on the list to beta test for him I would consider doing it. If he later offered it to subscribers (as before, via the list) at a substantially deep discount I wouldnt mind that either.
My two examples up there are figurative, as opposed to the literal ones I gave you the first time.
Victoria's Secret sends catalogs to my g/f, Thinkgeek sends me pamphlets and Cisco sends product announcements and specs. I like em all. I hold them in the same regard. Spam can be good...but not often
Opting-out is not a valid mechanism, because as you know many spammers use opt-out responses as a way to maintain their lists of valid email addresses.
You are correct, but my point is that for those of us who dont rely on spamming as our sole source of income, it's done responsibly. IOW there isnt a volture waiting for all those opt out emails to come in so he can sell them at a higher premium. I like to think that for most private corps that do these things (like mine), opt out means opt out.
from the original post that got us both going...
This was emailed to our real customers - our 'A list'. These are the people who get invited to these parties each time - people who come and enjoy the food and drinks, no strings attached.
Does this muck up legit mailing lists? I'd be lost w/o my bugraq :)
reading your reply I wonder if you have ever ran a business. Believe it or not (are you sitting down?) email is a very effective way of keeping your customers in touch with what your company is up to. If you're clever,(you're still sitting right?) those people might even be interested in the products that can supplement the things they already bought! On the other hand, it's my responsibility to take them off those lists at their request. Thats a business plan that even predates the internet. Shocking aint it? I know!
Sarcasm aside, it's not much of a leap in logic to assume that people who bought things from you in the past might also be interested in your new products. Most of my vendors that I trust with my money and investment I also trust with my email address. Most, not all. Besides, I like keeping up with their new products. I stay informed that way.
But isnt that spam you ask? The answer is no. When Cisco sends me (unsolicited) specs on their firewall after I bought their VOIP gateway I dont take that as an intrusion on my space. When someone from Palm Beach tells me that for 10 grand I could get rich even quicker that is SPAM. See the difference?
Obviously this is all subjective but I think you're being harsh when you label a party invatation as spam. If I sent you a nice, fancy invatation to my New Years party via snail mail would you call me up and yell at me for sending you junk mail?
I would never go to a party announced via spam, even if it were at the Playboy mansion with hot and cold running blondes.
we call this "talkin out (of) your ass" in my neighborhood.
You run the weblog, you have the final auth concerning the posts.
I know that sounds overly simplistic but anything that falls outside the scope of protecting yourself legally you can decide what goes and what stays. Whether that means letting people stray into OT conversations via moderation or lack thereof is up to you. If you feel you have a legal issue to deal with, consult a lawyer that specializes in libel and slander.
Again concerning the non-legal issues... If you feel strongly enough about something that bothers you on your BBS (note I didnt say something you disagree with) wield your authority. If you do your best to be fair, people will appreciate that and anyone who doesnt like it can be reminded that another discussion board just like yours is only a google search away.
It wasnt the decline of arcades that killed em it's their own propietary games. When you release a console that only 10% of American kids can even consider affording you'll never make the money to become a corporate super power. Nintendo's consoles were like pizza stores in NY... fuckin everywhere, and cheap. They also couldnt sell their systems at a loss like MS does cuz you cant sell licenses to your own company (duh). It's not like they got to see any of my quarters either, the owners of those coin ops kept em all.
When I think of why SNK failed I think of games that were too good to be affordable. Arcades gave their stuff impact but the home market == longevity. They gave it a hell of a go but (IMO) they put their eggs in the wrong basket.
When I found out that their fantastic home system was gonna cost $600 upfront and $300per game I laughed.
Since when did Paramount stop handing the SFX over to ILM?
I'm happy to say that upon reassemble of the unit, it still works.
he spelled it wrong but at least he did it.
that should be a /. qotd! good one!
"It's one thing to be criticized for what we do - that's fair game. But to be vilified for what we don't do - that's very disheartening."
Its funny you should quote that statement. Ever since the RIAA became Slashdot Enemy #1 its been plainly obvious that they're becoming more and more hostile towards it's customers by saying, "No you cant copy/backup your cd's" and then doing whatever it takes to stop us from not only from doing it, but from even thinking of doing it.
If I were there when that statement was made then my follow woulda been "How would you respond to that as being an interpretation of the RIAA's attitude towards its customers?"
I think your question has 2 answers.
1) You can partly blame Intel like AMD is doing. The average person who reads techextreme.com and considers themselves informed still says, "The Mac is only 500 Mhz, that PC is already runnin at 1400 Mhz. It must be 3 times faster.
note: bad math done on purpose
2) Prices! Macs might be easier to use, I even suspect that the above techextreme reader knows that but they are also expensive. He gets junk mail from Dell saying that he can buy a P4 or P3 for $899 while his daily newspapaper tells him an iMac is about $300 more. The price delta between high end machines is at least $1000, and that's that bottom of the high-end scale.
I mean, come on. Realistcally I can at least empathize when the gov't says that sometimes it has to operate outside the legal system in issues of National Sec. I wouldnt want a suspected terrorist to know he's being monitored. I might fall under that same watchfull eye but that's a sacrifice I'd make.
But why would a hacker court need to be so secretive? If the gov't is afraid of a group of people being able to shut down and disrupt major networks, then those networks need to be secured, not the system for monitoring them and prosecuting them! I mean, those old farts in office invented that stupid saying of ounce of prevention, pound of cure!
I think Ted V's quote is better.
I dont think it's in NASA's best interest as an institution or as a research facility to give up control of any aspect of the missions. Its still publicly funded research which should yield results to the gov't (and eventually to the people). If sponsorship turned into influence it might as well not even be NASA doing this research.
As many of you may already know, the Verizon building at Water Street where a number of OC48's converged was practically destroyed. What isnt buried under rubble is flooded underground. This affected lots of businesses including mine in Midtown.
The other CO on Broad street took on a lot of traffic as a result and a good source told me that Verizon expects the rebuilding project complete no sooner then in two years. ouch!
Actually most fingerprint scanners derive mathematical equations from the image of your fingerprint. Thats how the recognition part works. It wouldnt be much of a stretch to carry it over as part of the key used to encrypt the data.
The time diff between the first crash and the second is only about 20 minutes. I think most of the people didn't need to be told that they need to evacuate Tower 2 after Tower 1 was attacked. Most NYers do have that whatever attitude, that much is true, but sticking around would be stupid. Having been in there a number of times, I don't think the majority of the people had the time or even the ability to escape but I pray I'm wrong.
which city are you talking about?
Whether or not they are behind this, directly or indirectly, they're already out on the streets celebrating.
and they call themselves human...
They prob wont let you get away with Leisure Suit Larry but my other Fav's like the Space Quest series, the Kings Quest series, the Quest for Glory series and dont forget the Monkey Islands (LucasArts). They all are non-violent, all involve a lot of concentration and problem solving and can be really really funny at times.
:)
But if litteracy is going to be a hurdle that you'll need to overcome you might want to take a walk through a public schools software library. I once saved $1000 in consultants fees doing that!
From the Inq:
The Clearest Statement that HP has made this week about the future of Tru64 Unix (D/UX), Open VMS, and the Itanic platform has appeared on a news forum at tru64.org.
based on this posting by an inforworld reporter on Tru64.org.
Security focus recently touched on this very subject. Except what they talked about were AV companies spreading virus paranoia to drive sales. If you think about it, there are a lot of parallels in the evil behind writing an inflamatory virus report to boost your ass out of the red and passing off an advertisement as an objective review. Maybe if this shakeout does enough damage to the payees, the backlash will carry over the payers.
the N64 uses opengl
Q: Now, when will I have an excuse to buy a PS2?"
When Metal Gear Solid 2 comes out! everyone knows that.