If everyone else wrote the book, the book would have been more like the movie. "Hollywoodized" or however you want to state it, more glitz more single powerfull hero, less of the beauty that made up what tolkien made.
Movie is the best movie ever, but it is a bastardize version of the book.
So what would have happened? well we can see what did happen. Watch the movie to see.
I am so sick of people accociating having source code avaliable the same thing as free.
I personaly feel that no software should be considered copyrighted unless it is sold with its source code.
Just because the source code is open doesn't mean they can't charge for the product, sure, the linux/gnu comunity don't do it now, but they should. If I buy MS office, there should be a cd or two with source code. I shouldn't be able to get redhat for free, but if I pay for it, I should get the source code.
I don't care for free, paying other people to do things that I don't want to do, or that I can't do, is how society works. What I want, is the source code avaible to prevent abuse such as what we have seen from many vendors besides just microsoft. Also, I like the ability to control things that are mine. Weither its to tweak it, fix it, or even break it.
You know, you may actualy have the court throw it out as a law suit on the basis that they are claiming your breaking a law, not just a contract, and this should be a criminal case. Thats much easier to defend, as they need evidence. Also takes a whole let resources, but IANAL.
What scary is this type of stuff already happens, and is being pushed more. It is not very far from what you joke about now. But that is exacly what they want.
a few years ago with the last company I worked for. I had a friend who quit and got a better job elsewhere. However, he was asked if he could do after hours work and he would be paid, well he loved this since he gets to play arround with another network and not have to get things working.
Well, what happened is, he never charged, the local admins (me included) was canned. All because of this guy (well the economy being a big part)
What sucks is I told this guy what would happen, and well, 2 people ended up canned over it, and they have a network that doesn't work. (most the sun systems are in storage)
actualy, I would say using 3.0 insted of 2.6 would be for corperate reasons. Look how MS has used the big jumps in version numbering (no.1 or.001 patching). And look to see how much money corperate america spends on them.
Also, Sun did this, they went from 2.6 to 2.7 and called it 7, and now 8, etc.
Personaly, what I'd like to see is 1.2.11 (Version.Features.BugFixes) Meaning its version 1 with 2 updates for featers and 11 fixes of bugs. Adding to the Version number would usualy be when breaking previous protocalls/apis/etc or a complete rewrite.
When you say you can't argue the "hammer analogy " with the fact it its flawed. It is actually the copyright laws that are flawed.
Copyrights and other IP laws was used to give ideas and so forth a substance so to speek. However it lacks any sort of balance.
For example, corporations have benefits and costs. Some of the benefits include (but not limited too): Owners are protected, and can lose only what they put in. But Tax twice, yes, I know stock options negate this to some extent.
See, what happens, is that the corporation is considered an individual, and actually has some rights so to speak that come with it. Such as ownership. And is considered an individual entity.
The same thing needs to be done with "IP". It needs to be treated as a physical object in good and bad ways.
Good way: You can make money off it and people can not copy it. Bad way: it is now theirs, and they can do what ever they like with it. Also, the makers are subject laws that are used in all manufactured laws. If it doesn't work as advertised, breaks and takes things down with it, costs lives, etc.
Copyright exists the way it does today because it is being written by those who will profit from it directly in terms of money. Such as the RIAA and the MPAA.
And there is plenty of "IP" in a hammer. They are smart enough to know that selling hammers at a loss and expect to make money on overpriced nails wont work. Laws should not be supportive of this, and we shouldn't tolerate any public figure that supports those types of laws(or agendas).
And thank you for adding me to the friend list. I honor this and do likewise.
Ok, I'm selling a hammer for $1.00. I make a piece of paper inside thats 20 pages long with rights I take away from you, sicne you own the hammer now, and give myself.
You must use my $1.00 per nail. Any other nail and you go to jail. And they must be nail type "A", else you goto jail, any other nail, you need to purchase the right that I took away in that contract you never signed, or understood, or even read.
If you figure out how to use this hammer any any other way than I intended, my nail type A unless more rights are bought, you will goto jail.
* See, the "property" is now yours, I have no say as to what to do with it. Further more, there is no contract with out a signature. And such a contract would not be legal if there was as much money fighting against such things as there was for it.
I aggre, that people should pay for the software and such that they use. However, they way they are protecting it, is not right, and tramples all over our rights as humans. Constitution or no constitution.
ps. Even non Americans are freed by the constitution.
"I feel sorry for the people who wants to do legit stuff with their Xbox but last time people were given those liberties they abused it and raped those that gave them these rights. It's normal the balance goes the other way now."
They didn't give me any rights, I have rights regardless. They are being taken away saying that my rights are given to me.
This was the whole reason why the constitution was so ground breaking. It was formed by people who said ok, man was born with natural rights (or god given). That those rights do not come from a king, queen, president or someone someone with a lot of wealth. We all have them, and its only a balance on when your right tramples on someone elses life. Such as muder, rape, stealing.
Oh, and just so you know, copying software is NOT stealing, is is copyright infrigment, Copyright/trademark/etc is not a real form of a property, and is't existance has to be argued, just happens that its proffitable for it to exist, so more people argue for further restrictions on such things.
MS has a tendence to take over a market, and spread to any adjacent markets. That is the only reason why people have IE, MS Office, NT Servers, etc.
By preventing MS from getting more, SUN is staying alive. MS has been for years trying to take over SUN (Server) market. Look what happened to Novel. (well novel had 2 problems, 1 being tcp/ip and the other being MS) But MS has a monopoly (desktop, etc) and is pushing it into the server. SUN is trying to make it so they are needed as servers, not ms as everything. MS brakes openGL, java, html, javascript, everything they touch. They don't touch things they don't plan on taking over and turning it into another monopoly, or to streathen a monopoly.
What SUN should be doing, is working closely with a few linux distros, to get it to work great as a client to its servers. And to get it to run java perfectly, and fast. SUN doesn't need to sell Linux to beat back MS, but they think they can make money using linux, when all they need to do is make it stronger as a client.
That was one of the big reasons for me to use kde, everything else about kde alreaedy sucks. intergreated web browser, bah! Bloated and slow, bah! Intergreated.net framework, double bah!
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Actualy, your wrong, a goverment can exist without taxation. Many churchs exist souly on volentary contributions, and some churchs do not pay clergy. This could be extended into goverment.
How effective that would be is another issue. But I think a fact most can aggree on, is that taxes can be cut 1/2 (or more) and still have a very effective government, and would be better.
The Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 summary: http://www.hrrc.org/html/ahra_summary.ht ml
Basicaly shows us, that most the stuff we do, is perfectly leagle, RIAA/MPAA and friends are looking to grab more momey. They don't want you to back up anything, because they can make money selling it again. They don't want your friends to watch your copy, they don't want you to watch it more than once w/o paying more either. They also don't want to have to produce anything, and just tax us.
Hrmm, I think someone who uses MS sql thinks themselves to know what is being talked about. Most real DB's bypass the OS/File system and write directly to the disk.
This is done mostly for reliability, sicne the OS will cache things and tell the application that it is written before its actualy commited to the drive.
There are a lof of other things too, but I grow tired of typing already.;)
early americans was thought to be "terrorist" when fighting for our freedoms no? Ther is no clear cut yes no as for the meaning of the word. It is way to broad.
This could be used against me, you anybody they wanted to. It has nothing to do with bombs.
I did name one, all they have to do is consider me a "terrorist" of any sort, and they do not need any warrants, etc. That my friend, is a HUGE one. And every politican who voted for it should be on the ned of a rope.
Do you want me to name more? I could go on and on about privacy, or about the fedreal government becoming to strong and over stepping the limits that was set in place to preserve our natural rights.
Well, lets see there is a recent act that got passed, the patriot act, that all they have to do is consider you a terrorist, and they don't need a warrent for anything. . . .
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." --Samuel Johnson
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If everyone else wrote the book, the book would have been more like the movie. "Hollywoodized" or however you want to state it, more glitz more single powerfull hero, less of the beauty that made up what tolkien made.
Movie is the best movie ever, but it is a bastardize version of the book.
So what would have happened? well we can see what did happen. Watch the movie to see.
Netscape as other free software they control, is a wild they have against MS. Netscape being one of the biggest.
I am so sick of people accociating having source code avaliable the same thing as free.
I personaly feel that no software should be considered copyrighted unless it is sold with its source code.
Just because the source code is open doesn't mean they can't charge for the product, sure, the linux/gnu comunity don't do it now, but they should. If I buy MS office, there should be a cd or two with source code. I shouldn't be able to get redhat for free, but if I pay for it, I should get the source code.
I don't care for free, paying other people to do things that I don't want to do, or that I can't do, is how society works. What I want, is the source code avaible to prevent abuse such as what we have seen from many vendors besides just microsoft. Also, I like the ability to control things that are mine. Weither its to tweak it, fix it, or even break it.
Free bah, I want open. And I vote with my money.
Now that was funny! (even w/ the typo) Being one who runs out of memory everytime I use windows from doing to much at once.
You know, you may actualy have the court throw it out as a law suit on the basis that they are claiming your breaking a law, not just a contract, and this should be a criminal case. Thats much easier to defend, as they need evidence. Also takes a whole let resources, but IANAL.
What scary is this type of stuff already happens, and is being pushed more. It is not very far from what you joke about now. But that is exacly what they want.
Rare? How about one that you would want to date, let alone have as a life partner with as imposible?
*shudders*
a few years ago with the last company I worked for. I had a friend who quit and got a better job elsewhere. However, he was asked if he could do after hours work and he would be paid, well he loved this since he gets to play arround with another network and not have to get things working.
Well, what happened is, he never charged, the local admins (me included) was canned. All because of this guy (well the economy being a big part)
What sucks is I told this guy what would happen, and well, 2 people ended up canned over it, and they have a network that doesn't work. (most the sun systems are in storage)
"BTW, anyone know why my Kazaa started crashing yesterday?"
Maybe it has something to do with windows?
actualy, I would say using 3.0 insted of 2.6 would be for corperate reasons. Look how MS has used the big jumps in version numbering (no .1 or .001 patching). And look to see how much money corperate america spends on them.
Also, Sun did this, they went from 2.6 to 2.7 and called it 7, and now 8, etc.
Personaly, what I'd like to see is 1.2.11 (Version.Features.BugFixes) Meaning its version 1 with 2 updates for featers and 11 fixes of bugs. Adding to the Version number would usualy be when breaking previous protocalls/apis/etc or a complete rewrite.
When you say you can't argue the "hammer analogy " with the fact it its flawed. It is actually the copyright laws that are flawed.
Copyrights and other IP laws was used to give ideas and so forth a substance so to speek. However it lacks any sort of balance.
For example, corporations have benefits and costs. Some of the benefits include (but not limited too):
Owners are protected, and can lose only what they put in. But Tax twice, yes, I know stock options negate this to some extent.
See, what happens, is that the corporation is considered an individual, and actually has some rights so to speak that come with it. Such as ownership. And is considered an individual entity.
The same thing needs to be done with "IP". It needs to be treated as a physical object in good and bad ways.
Good way: You can make money off it and people can not copy it.
Bad way: it is now theirs, and they can do what ever they like with it. Also, the makers are subject laws that are used in all manufactured laws. If it doesn't work as advertised, breaks and takes things down with it, costs lives, etc.
Copyright exists the way it does today because it is being written by those who will profit from it directly in terms of money. Such as the RIAA and the MPAA.
And there is plenty of "IP" in a hammer. They are smart enough to know that selling hammers at a loss and expect to make money on overpriced nails wont work. Laws should not be supportive of this, and we shouldn't tolerate any public figure that supports those types of laws(or agendas).
And thank you for adding me to the friend list. I honor this and do likewise.
Hrmm, your missing my point.
Ok, I'm selling a hammer for $1.00. I make a piece of paper inside thats 20 pages long with rights I take away from you, sicne you own the hammer now, and give myself.
You must use my $1.00 per nail. Any other nail and you go to jail. And they must be nail type "A", else you goto jail, any other nail, you need to purchase the right that I took away in that contract you never signed, or understood, or even read.
If you figure out how to use this hammer any any other way than I intended, my nail type A unless more rights are bought, you will goto jail.
*
See, the "property" is now yours, I have no say as to what to do with it. Further more, there is no contract with out a signature. And such a contract would not be legal if there was as much money fighting against such things as there was for it.
I aggre, that people should pay for the software and such that they use. However, they way they are protecting it, is not right, and tramples all over our rights as humans. Constitution or no constitution.
ps.
Even non Americans are freed by the constitution.
"I feel sorry for the people who wants to do legit stuff with their Xbox but last time people were given those liberties they abused it and raped those that gave them these rights.
It's normal the balance goes the other way now."
They didn't give me any rights, I have rights regardless. They are being taken away saying that my rights are given to me.
This was the whole reason why the constitution was so ground breaking. It was formed by people who said ok, man was born with natural rights (or god given). That those rights do not come from a king, queen, president or someone someone with a lot of wealth. We all have them, and its only a balance on when your right tramples on someone elses life. Such as muder, rape, stealing.
Oh, and just so you know, copying software is NOT stealing, is is copyright infrigment, Copyright/trademark/etc is not a real form of a property, and is't existance has to be argued, just happens that its proffitable for it to exist, so more people argue for further restrictions on such things.
Good thing we Americans are made of stronger stuff.
Let's waste their time!
. . . and our bandwith?
MS has a tendence to take over a market, and spread to any adjacent markets. That is the only reason why people have IE, MS Office, NT Servers, etc.
By preventing MS from getting more, SUN is staying alive. MS has been for years trying to take over SUN (Server) market. Look what happened to Novel. (well novel had 2 problems, 1 being tcp/ip and the other being MS) But MS has a monopoly (desktop, etc) and is pushing it into the server. SUN is trying to make it so they are needed as servers, not ms as everything. MS brakes openGL, java, html, javascript, everything they touch. They don't touch things they don't plan on taking over and turning it into another monopoly, or to streathen a monopoly.
What SUN should be doing, is working closely with a few linux distros, to get it to work great as a client to its servers. And to get it to run java perfectly, and fast. SUN doesn't need to sell Linux to beat back MS, but they think they can make money using linux, when all they need to do is make it stronger as a client.
That was one of the big reasons for me to use kde, everything else about kde alreaedy sucks. intergreated web browser, bah! Bloated and slow, bah! Intergreated .net framework, double bah!
Actualy, your wrong, a goverment can exist without taxation. Many churchs exist souly on volentary contributions, and some churchs do not pay clergy. This could be extended into goverment.
How effective that would be is another issue. But I think a fact most can aggree on, is that taxes can be cut 1/2 (or more) and still have a very effective government, and would be better.
The Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 summary:t ml
http://www.hrrc.org/html/ahra_summary.h
Basicaly shows us, that most the stuff we do, is perfectly leagle, RIAA/MPAA and friends are looking to grab more momey. They don't want you to back up anything, because they can make money selling it again. They don't want your friends to watch your copy, they don't want you to watch it more than once w/o paying more either. They also don't want to have to produce anything, and just tax us.
Hrmm, I think someone who uses MS sql thinks themselves to know what is being talked about. Most real DB's bypass the OS/File system and write directly to the disk.
;)
This is done mostly for reliability, sicne the OS will cache things and tell the application that it is written before its actualy commited to the drive.
There are a lof of other things too, but I grow tired of typing already.
oh don't worrie, you still can, its only mandrake and lindows here.
early americans was thought to be "terrorist" when fighting for our freedoms no? Ther is no clear cut yes no as for the meaning of the word. It is way to broad.
This could be used against me, you anybody they wanted to. It has nothing to do with bombs.
I did name one, all they have to do is consider me a "terrorist" of any sort, and they do not need any warrants, etc. That my friend, is a HUGE one. And every politican who voted for it should be on the ned of a rope.
Do you want me to name more? I could go on and on about privacy, or about the fedreal government becoming to strong and over stepping the limits that was set in place to preserve our natural rights.
Well, lets see there is a recent act that got passed, the patriot act, that all they have to do is consider you a terrorist, and they don't need a warrent for anything. . . .
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
--Samuel Johnson
my understanding has been, they only need to make the source code disks availiable to those who bought the product.
Well, aol behind the sceens is anti-ms, and pretty linux friendly, I would say they just might release a linux version of aol.
And that might also be the worst virus to hit linux ever too.