I was suspicious that your grasp on reality was tenuous at best, and I appreciate you clearing that up for me.
The fact that there are other people in the same game world doesn't stop making it simply a game. What it does do, on the other hand, is mean that there are people that become much more emotionally invested in that game, to the point where you talk about it as though you can outcast people when there is zero consequence for your actions in the environment.
Basically, what I'm trying to tell you, is that a bunch of highly emotionally invested kids, or socially retarded adults (as I suspect you may be), calling you names and attempted to outcast you, is only effectual if you are one of those aforementioned kids/adults in the first place. The rest of us either completely ignore people like yourself (turning off main chat does wonders for my game experience), or have a total ball with people like yourself in game.
The fact that you've responded to a large amount of responses to your own original misguided post with what amounts to little more than overly wordy variations on "nuh-uh" is evidence enough. I'm done here, because it feels like I'm talking in an MMO forum.
The only people that can effectively hide pictures and videos using insane encryption algoritms that only other maths geeks can break are the ones deathly afraid?
Surely it would be the people in the summry that were "good at english", their level of skill in hiding porn is probably to, you know, just use another word, given that's all their good at. But not a synonym, oh no, that would defeat the purpose. And an antonym would be too obvious. They would have to use a... a... okay so I'm good at maths, okay. I had to look those other two words up.
What if they start demanding you report to the attitude modification center for your antidepressants because you're not smiling all day long? This especially bugs me because I'm not a smilier and I like being bitter, damnit!
On the flip side of that, I do like free antidepressants.
Because if there is one thing I've always wanted it's those old school awesome, completely single player, Lucasarts adventure games that to play require a constant internet connection or at least loading through a top-heavy DRM platform that's unlikely to properly support them anyway.
My next wish will be that all the boxed copies of those games that I've got and have been meaning to sell on Ebay for the last 6 months will now be worth a lot less. Oh, wait. Shit.
Feel free to keep making it up as you go along. You have to be one of those players that takes the game scarily seriously that I see in WoW all the time, threatening other players online as though you could do anything about anything, and going all nerd-rage and moving onto personal threats within a short space of time. Reminds me of the time I accidentally trained a bunch of mobs onto another player on the same faction, and he told me to "do that again and watch what happens". When the game completely removed the ability to affect players on the same side in any meaningful way. Maybe he was going to cast water walking on me as I took a huge dive into water or something.
You can't freely be a 'badass' in the game? Because of what? That it's going to be "added to your reputation"? You seriously think that people are going to be changing servers and character names because of a bunch of tweens or early twenty-somethings call them a faggot or a n00b enough? You do realise that there is a ceiling on the IQ level allowed to access/read MMO forums, and let me tell you, you'll get enough change out of a hundred to fund at least a handful of YouTube commentators.
But I digress.
If the game developer (self righteous? ouch, someone bitching about the latest nerf are they?) didn't prevent something, then it's within the rules. Just in case you weren't aware, that's actually how the rules in a game are defined, because it's a closed system and there are no external influences. The developer is king. If they let you do something, do it. If they don't want it done, they block it. If something is happening that makes you all teary eyed, then go dampen the shoulder of the internal game admins, and I'm sure that if the developers want it stopped, it will be stopped. Otherwise, hey, it's just a game. For some of us. In the mean time feel free to parade around like some sort of king of shit mountain, as though you have the power to really do anything, because your self delusion is pretty damn entertaining to read.
[Side note : I have an 80, 76, 71 and 70 in WoW, this isn't a "You're a loser because you play WoW" comment. It's just that there is a reason I play on a PvP server; it's so your own side can be easily blocked as well as having no way of talking to the other side. Because basically, as a rule, the vast majority of MMO gamers are socially, and likely mentally, retarded, and take the game seriously to a quite frankly pathetic level. Case in point, our man unity100 here]
There is a lot of early morning aggro here, not least because I can't drink coffee at the moment, but I'll post anyway.
Yeah, troll. Either you were serious, therefore some deluded moon-landing denier, obviously full of shit, and providing nothing meaningful to the conversation.
Or you were mocking those that are serious, a pointless exercise as there are so many that will say what you have but without any sense of irony, and which again provides nothing meaningful to the conversation.
Maybe redundant would have been a better tag, but you're either trolling the moon-landing deniers, or you're attempting to troll the people trying to have a decent discussion (on slashdot? wow, you must be new here HAHAhAHAHAHAHA +5), so yeah, troll.
It sounds like a side-effect from the games-are-for-kids mentality. Only 10 year olds want to play games, then you find some tedium like MadWorld - just follow the endless QTEs to watch a violent action via a cut scene, ad infitium - which is much more like the gore-porn / slasher flicks that late teens enjoy watching and therefore it's 'mature', apparently.
I also hear from the guy that talks on the forum about how he killed the entire population in [Morrowind].
Tell me constantly to "Keep moving" every fucking time I walk within 10 feet of you, when I'm not even wanting to talk to you, and watch as I go on a murderous rampage as well.
Street Fighter got better after 2? People were probably disappointed that it wasn't Third Strike that was pushed in HD to XBLA. It sounds as thought Serious Sam 2 was no good, probably because it was a console shooter anyway.
Serious Sam was all about hordes of enemies. Hell, there was no pretense as to proper level structure, they simply ported in when you hit a trigger. If the game ups the graphics at the cost of the originals hordes of enemies, then too much is lost in translation. Personally I hated Serious Sam for that exact reason, no level design, zero atmosphere, just empty room, hit level trigger, BAM ENEMY OVERLOAD; it was just a turkey shoot where you basically couldn't miss just firing randomly.
From my point of view, Doom did it right, with a perfect balance between level design, weapon feedback and enemy hordes, and Croteam seemingly just assumed that what was missing from Doom was so many enemies that you were left with the much loved gameplay element of advancement-through-attrition. Unexciting weapons and non-existent level design were just part of the deal.
If they want to get people excited about an old PC game, port over Painkiller to XBLA. That combined awesome atmosphere, massive amounts of enemies that warped in, but with excellent level design, probably the best weapon even in an FPS, but never with a feeling that you were completely overwhelmed and that it was pointless. I haven't met a more satisfying weapon than the stake-gun in a game, ever, and I'm sure that people will jump at the chance to pin friends to walls with stakes.
DRM is the ultimate evil, by the way. My placement of the word tards makes it seems like it's the people that think that DRM is evil are tards, when I meant that it was the people that like Steam and not DRM. It's Monday morning, I haven't finished my coffee. Fuck off.
Yes, no kidding. I'm so glad this is a music/book related DRM discussion, because I think that if I were to browse ONE MORE game related DRM thread where everyone goes on about how evil DRM is but how awesome Steam is, I think my brain will explode. It's the same thing, in fact in Steam's case it's actually worse, but it's fawned upon by the same tards that regard DRM as the ultimate evil.
Gaming is just for kids and loser adults, we get it already. It still would be nice if there was a way of making the distinction between casual and... non-casual gaming. What is wrong with calling it 'serious' anyway? Seems like a reasonable opposite to casual to me. Someone that installs mods into their version of Oblivion and plays it through a couple of times as different character classes obviously is taking their gaming a bit more seriously than someone that picks up Boom Blox for Wii for when their friends are over. Just as there is a distinction between people that 'read' the newspaper and the odd magazine, and people that read the latest Peter F Hamilton novel.
Hell, I'd rather it be termed as 'serious' gaming than as 'hardcore' gaming. It not the classical usage of the word, but I would have thought it makes the necessary distinction.
This thread is dead and gone, but you really believe that the people the Wii is marketed at are really going to pick up TvsC or Monster Hunter, even on a whim? Although now that I've typed that out I realise that quite a western-centric view of the situation.
I agree with the sentiment about wanting complex games and dislike this tech, but I think you're being a bit dramatic.
This sort of gaming is - from my big gaming nerd point of view - pretty gimmicky, but there is a market for it, and it will be pursued. And you've gotta appreciate that and roll with it.
What does concern me is when developers, whether it be because someone had a brain fade, or because the people in control of the money see that this sort of thing is 'popular', decide that motion technology needs to be shoehorned into games for which it completely doesn't suit. And to date there hasn't been a platform for which this hasn't happened. Ninja Gaiden Sigma on PS3, the 'hardest of the hardcore' game, requires you to shake the controller to increase the strength of your magic attacks. Uncharted makes you balance the controller to navigate narrow log paths. The DS has plenty of games that push touch screen or motion controls where it's not required. The developers of Nanostray decided that while you're trying to control a ship in a shoot-em up, it would be a great idea to make you have to use the touch screen to change weapons, instead of one of the four free buttons that have no use in the game. Not even as an alternative option.
Speaking of which, the Wii is the worst one for this sort of thing, and not just because there are games for which there is no option for a standard control set (Excite Truck, I'm looking at you), but because it's inexplicably attracts games which would have otherwise been deemed as more approching the 'hardcore' edge of the gaming spectrum. And yes, I'm specifically talking Tastunoko vs Capcom. And Monster Hunter Tri. How these games came to be released for the Wii over the PS3 I'll never understand. Maybe that's a slightly off-topic point, but it's frustrating, as a gamer, to watch these games go to a platform that won't allow them to reach their full potential, whether it be with tech, or with player base.
The 360, for all it's faults, is the last bastion of guaranteed normal, non gimmicky gaming. And the concern now is not your over-the-top assessment that this is the death of complex games, because it's obviously not going to be, but that this sort of thing is pushed out to a standard controller, and that developers will decide that it's a good idea to force in stupid motion sensitive crap into games that otherwise don't need it. If the motion sensitive tech could stay completely separate to the normal, 'proper' games, then everyone would be happy. As it stands the only people with a chance of being put offside are the... damnit, is there another word that can be used to describe the... 'hardcore' style of gamer, other than hardcore*? I hate having to use the word, and having to describe games as 'normal', or 'proper', but there seems to be no way around it.
(someone is frantically clicking reply trying to be the first to quote me and reply with, 'loser'?)
You're not the only one who spent half of Morrowind picking up an object, moving your view ever so slightly to the side, then dropping said item. Then closing the Inventory screen, cursing that it was another inch off where it needed to be, and repeating the process again. And again.
Oblivion is the only game in which I've found myself spending a pathetically long time trying to line up those fucking books so they will sit properly, or at least in some semblance of an order. Not being able to rotate items in Oblivion so they can easily sit up on the bookshelves is a complete oversight of the game developers. And I can't be the only person that liked to hide the bodies of people they killed on the road, underneath nearby bushes and long grass.
And slightly off-topically, dragging creatures bodies to the edge of cliffs to watch them slide down.
It took me a while to realise that trade is a waste of time in most cases in UU. My map has some locations marked on it of useless crap that I've not been able to carry that I want to remember the location of so I can return to it if I decide that what I really need right now is some flasks of oil. They were stored on my map, could you go find it for me please? Because I really need some help to find my map. Actually, that reminds me, you look like a likely sort, and I've lost my map, I'm wondering if I might be able to bother you to go find it for me, because I really need to find my map. Because on my map is the locations of all the crap I might want to keep. The locations of which are on my map, which I've lost. Could you help me find it please?
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it is not just 'a game'
I was suspicious that your grasp on reality was tenuous at best, and I appreciate you clearing that up for me.
The fact that there are other people in the same game world doesn't stop making it simply a game. What it does do, on the other hand, is mean that there are people that become much more emotionally invested in that game, to the point where you talk about it as though you can outcast people when there is zero consequence for your actions in the environment.
Basically, what I'm trying to tell you, is that a bunch of highly emotionally invested kids, or socially retarded adults (as I suspect you may be), calling you names and attempted to outcast you, is only effectual if you are one of those aforementioned kids/adults in the first place. The rest of us either completely ignore people like yourself (turning off main chat does wonders for my game experience), or have a total ball with people like yourself in game.
The fact that you've responded to a large amount of responses to your own original misguided post with what amounts to little more than overly wordy variations on "nuh-uh" is evidence enough. I'm done here, because it feels like I'm talking in an MMO forum.
We've already discussed this
==
people made *that* comment way before you posted yours
... and I thought *my* post was pointless.
The only people that can effectively hide pictures and videos using insane encryption algoritms that only other maths geeks can break are the ones deathly afraid?
Surely it would be the people in the summry that were "good at english", their level of skill in hiding porn is probably to, you know, just use another word, given that's all their good at. But not a synonym, oh no, that would defeat the purpose. And an antonym would be too obvious. They would have to use a ... a... okay so I'm good at maths, okay. I had to look those other two words up.
We've already discussed this, it's been Shatner-ized. Now move along.
What if they start demanding you report to the attitude modification center for your antidepressants because you're not smiling all day long? This especially bugs me because I'm not a smilier and I like being bitter, damnit!
On the flip side of that, I do like free antidepressants.
Maybe there needs to be a rule 11.
"When all you have is a Double Blade Axe, everything looks like a goblin"
This is not happening. This is not happening.
Wait, I got the right episode, didn't I?
Because if there is one thing I've always wanted it's those old school awesome, completely single player, Lucasarts adventure games that to play require a constant internet connection or at least loading through a top-heavy DRM platform that's unlikely to properly support them anyway.
My next wish will be that all the boxed copies of those games that I've got and have been meaning to sell on Ebay for the last 6 months will now be worth a lot less. Oh, wait. Shit.
Feel free to keep making it up as you go along. You have to be one of those players that takes the game scarily seriously that I see in WoW all the time, threatening other players online as though you could do anything about anything, and going all nerd-rage and moving onto personal threats within a short space of time. Reminds me of the time I accidentally trained a bunch of mobs onto another player on the same faction, and he told me to "do that again and watch what happens". When the game completely removed the ability to affect players on the same side in any meaningful way. Maybe he was going to cast water walking on me as I took a huge dive into water or something.
You can't freely be a 'badass' in the game? Because of what? That it's going to be "added to your reputation"? You seriously think that people are going to be changing servers and character names because of a bunch of tweens or early twenty-somethings call them a faggot or a n00b enough? You do realise that there is a ceiling on the IQ level allowed to access/read MMO forums, and let me tell you, you'll get enough change out of a hundred to fund at least a handful of YouTube commentators.
But I digress.
If the game developer (self righteous? ouch, someone bitching about the latest nerf are they?) didn't prevent something, then it's within the rules. Just in case you weren't aware, that's actually how the rules in a game are defined, because it's a closed system and there are no external influences. The developer is king. If they let you do something, do it. If they don't want it done, they block it. If something is happening that makes you all teary eyed, then go dampen the shoulder of the internal game admins, and I'm sure that if the developers want it stopped, it will be stopped. Otherwise, hey, it's just a game. For some of us. In the mean time feel free to parade around like some sort of king of shit mountain, as though you have the power to really do anything, because your self delusion is pretty damn entertaining to read.
[Side note : I have an 80, 76, 71 and 70 in WoW, this isn't a "You're a loser because you play WoW" comment. It's just that there is a reason I play on a PvP server; it's so your own side can be easily blocked as well as having no way of talking to the other side. Because basically, as a rule, the vast majority of MMO gamers are socially, and likely mentally, retarded, and take the game seriously to a quite frankly pathetic level. Case in point, our man unity100 here]
There is a lot of early morning aggro here, not least because I can't drink coffee at the moment, but I'll post anyway.
Yeah, troll. Either you were serious, therefore some deluded moon-landing denier, obviously full of shit, and providing nothing meaningful to the conversation.
Or you were mocking those that are serious, a pointless exercise as there are so many that will say what you have but without any sense of irony, and which again provides nothing meaningful to the conversation.
Maybe redundant would have been a better tag, but you're either trolling the moon-landing deniers, or you're attempting to troll the people trying to have a decent discussion (on slashdot? wow, you must be new here HAHAhAHAHAHAHA +5), so yeah, troll.
It sounds like a side-effect from the games-are-for-kids mentality. Only 10 year olds want to play games, then you find some tedium like MadWorld - just follow the endless QTEs to watch a violent action via a cut scene, ad infitium - which is much more like the gore-porn / slasher flicks that late teens enjoy watching and therefore it's 'mature', apparently.
I also hear from the guy that talks on the forum about how he killed the entire population in [Morrowind].
Tell me constantly to "Keep moving" every fucking time I walk within 10 feet of you, when I'm not even wanting to talk to you, and watch as I go on a murderous rampage as well.
Street Fighter got better after 2? People were probably disappointed that it wasn't Third Strike that was pushed in HD to XBLA. It sounds as thought Serious Sam 2 was no good, probably because it was a console shooter anyway.
Serious Sam was all about hordes of enemies. Hell, there was no pretense as to proper level structure, they simply ported in when you hit a trigger. If the game ups the graphics at the cost of the originals hordes of enemies, then too much is lost in translation. Personally I hated Serious Sam for that exact reason, no level design, zero atmosphere, just empty room, hit level trigger, BAM ENEMY OVERLOAD; it was just a turkey shoot where you basically couldn't miss just firing randomly.
From my point of view, Doom did it right, with a perfect balance between level design, weapon feedback and enemy hordes, and Croteam seemingly just assumed that what was missing from Doom was so many enemies that you were left with the much loved gameplay element of advancement-through-attrition. Unexciting weapons and non-existent level design were just part of the deal.
If they want to get people excited about an old PC game, port over Painkiller to XBLA. That combined awesome atmosphere, massive amounts of enemies that warped in, but with excellent level design, probably the best weapon even in an FPS, but never with a feeling that you were completely overwhelmed and that it was pointless. I haven't met a more satisfying weapon than the stake-gun in a game, ever, and I'm sure that people will jump at the chance to pin friends to walls with stakes.
If they've got a bazooka don't run away, it's easier to hit someone from a distance.
Run towards them and grab hold of them.
"Back off! We're both going together!"
That's just handy
in case someone pulls out a bazooka.
[/Eddie Izzard]
A cock shaped Gucci bag that knows complex mathematics
I SMELL A SITCOM!!!
DRM is the ultimate evil, by the way. My placement of the word tards makes it seems like it's the people that think that DRM is evil are tards, when I meant that it was the people that like Steam and not DRM. It's Monday morning, I haven't finished my coffee. Fuck off.
Throw ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException();
Yes, no kidding. I'm so glad this is a music/book related DRM discussion, because I think that if I were to browse ONE MORE game related DRM thread where everyone goes on about how evil DRM is but how awesome Steam is, I think my brain will explode. It's the same thing, in fact in Steam's case it's actually worse, but it's fawned upon by the same tards that regard DRM as the ultimate evil.
Or it may win you ... A NEW CAR.
Are you prepared to take that risk?
Hmm ... that's not appearing like it should. It's spelt B-L-I-N-K, right?
Gaming is just for kids and loser adults, we get it already. It still would be nice if there was a way of making the distinction between casual and ... non-casual gaming. What is wrong with calling it 'serious' anyway? Seems like a reasonable opposite to casual to me. Someone that installs mods into their version of Oblivion and plays it through a couple of times as different character classes obviously is taking their gaming a bit more seriously than someone that picks up Boom Blox for Wii for when their friends are over. Just as there is a distinction between people that 'read' the newspaper and the odd magazine, and people that read the latest Peter F Hamilton novel.
Hell, I'd rather it be termed as 'serious' gaming than as 'hardcore' gaming. It not the classical usage of the word, but I would have thought it makes the necessary distinction.
Well, it was nice while it lasted.
Easy answer: size of market.
This thread is dead and gone, but you really believe that the people the Wii is marketed at are really going to pick up TvsC or Monster Hunter, even on a whim? Although now that I've typed that out I realise that quite a western-centric view of the situation.
Or probe into it any further.
I agree with the sentiment about wanting complex games and dislike this tech, but I think you're being a bit dramatic.
This sort of gaming is - from my big gaming nerd point of view - pretty gimmicky, but there is a market for it, and it will be pursued. And you've gotta appreciate that and roll with it.
What does concern me is when developers, whether it be because someone had a brain fade, or because the people in control of the money see that this sort of thing is 'popular', decide that motion technology needs to be shoehorned into games for which it completely doesn't suit. And to date there hasn't been a platform for which this hasn't happened. Ninja Gaiden Sigma on PS3, the 'hardest of the hardcore' game, requires you to shake the controller to increase the strength of your magic attacks. Uncharted makes you balance the controller to navigate narrow log paths. The DS has plenty of games that push touch screen or motion controls where it's not required. The developers of Nanostray decided that while you're trying to control a ship in a shoot-em up, it would be a great idea to make you have to use the touch screen to change weapons, instead of one of the four free buttons that have no use in the game. Not even as an alternative option.
Speaking of which, the Wii is the worst one for this sort of thing, and not just because there are games for which there is no option for a standard control set (Excite Truck, I'm looking at you), but because it's inexplicably attracts games which would have otherwise been deemed as more approching the 'hardcore' edge of the gaming spectrum. And yes, I'm specifically talking Tastunoko vs Capcom. And Monster Hunter Tri. How these games came to be released for the Wii over the PS3 I'll never understand. Maybe that's a slightly off-topic point, but it's frustrating, as a gamer, to watch these games go to a platform that won't allow them to reach their full potential, whether it be with tech, or with player base.
The 360, for all it's faults, is the last bastion of guaranteed normal, non gimmicky gaming. And the concern now is not your over-the-top assessment that this is the death of complex games, because it's obviously not going to be, but that this sort of thing is pushed out to a standard controller, and that developers will decide that it's a good idea to force in stupid motion sensitive crap into games that otherwise don't need it. If the motion sensitive tech could stay completely separate to the normal, 'proper' games, then everyone would be happy. As it stands the only people with a chance of being put offside are the ... damnit, is there another word that can be used to describe the ... 'hardcore' style of gamer, other than hardcore*? I hate having to use the word, and having to describe games as 'normal', or 'proper', but there seems to be no way around it.
(someone is frantically clicking reply trying to be the first to quote me and reply with, 'loser'?)
You're not the only one who spent half of Morrowind picking up an object, moving your view ever so slightly to the side, then dropping said item. Then closing the Inventory screen, cursing that it was another inch off where it needed to be, and repeating the process again. And again.
Oblivion is the only game in which I've found myself spending a pathetically long time trying to line up those fucking books so they will sit properly, or at least in some semblance of an order. Not being able to rotate items in Oblivion so they can easily sit up on the bookshelves is a complete oversight of the game developers. And I can't be the only person that liked to hide the bodies of people they killed on the road, underneath nearby bushes and long grass.
And slightly off-topically, dragging creatures bodies to the edge of cliffs to watch them slide down.
It took me a while to realise that trade is a waste of time in most cases in UU. My map has some locations marked on it of useless crap that I've not been able to carry that I want to remember the location of so I can return to it if I decide that what I really need right now is some flasks of oil. They were stored on my map, could you go find it for me please? Because I really need some help to find my map. Actually, that reminds me, you look like a likely sort, and I've lost my map, I'm wondering if I might be able to bother you to go find it for me, because I really need to find my map. Because on my map is the locations of all the crap I might want to keep. The locations of which are on my map, which I've lost. Could you help me find it please?