I wonder how that would work.
Forgot to pay your annual Norton bill?
Didn't download the latest virus definitions?
Will it be illegal to run XP without keeping it updated and protected?
Grandma's being taken off in handcuffs for buying a Walmart box and not properly attending to the security issues?
Just my opinion, but ubuntu takes too long to boot up, when using the livecd version, and
one has to answer too many questions. I tried it, but did not like it.
About links: I just started up Elinks on my knoppix remaster, and although it is a little like lynx, it is fast. The scroll wheel works in the browser, but I note that the black background makes it hard to see the cursor. I use this page for a start page: http://www.angelfire.com/ms/telegram/fast.html
Excuse me while I listen to Alice Cooper's "Poison" on my Kanotix Lite, XMMS system. The song was ripped off Club 977 the other day with Streamtuner. I don't know what system he used to put that together, but it sounds ok to me.
Bring some Mosquito Repellent. Deep Woods Off! works for me. Supposed to last up to 8 hours, but probably not in the hot Sun. As you can see when you visit the link, they have it in three forms, the towelettes look like they would be easy to carry and pack. I use the spray, put it on your arms if exposed, a favorite target of the little varmits. Of course they will bite you any where they can.
I looked, and Opera 8.50 is for Windows 95 -XP only. In fact, when I tried to download a linux version of Opera, I was offered the Windows version. They still have linux versions in the archives, but Opera 8.02 for Linux cannot be found today. Glad I got it yesterday.
I am running Katonix right now, and already have Firefox and Opera installed, using the persistent home directory option that works for Knoppix and Katonix. I cannot install SeaMonkey, as the installer wants to install to a non-writable directory. (I am running a livecd distro) First, when I unzip the tarball and "tar -xvf I get/home/knoppix/seamonkey-installer directory. So far so good. in that directory, I find and run./seamonkey-installer. I decide to install Navigator only. The destination directory area is not active (greyed out). I click "next". The installer wants to install in/usr/local/seamonkey and it says that directory doesn't exist, Create it? Knowing I am doomed here on a live cd, I click "yes" anyway, and the installer says: Error 624, can't make destination directory, please try another directory, which I can't. No way given to do that. Can do that in Firefox installers, however, and I usually use/home/knoppix/firefox. That I have done with the Firefox 1.0.6 browser I am running now on Katonix livecd linux. What I would do with Seamonkey is use/home/knoppix/seamonkey, and I would be good to go. Surely the Mozilla seamonkey folks will fix this in an upcoming nightly, so I can try it out on live cd setups. On my Knoppix remaster, I open up the filesystem with chroot, and install Opera 8.02, but with Firefox 1.5, I just tack it on to/home/knoppix and let it go at that. I am not sure if a lot of people know they can test these Mozilla products with a livecd, but they can, I have used SLAX, in which one has to create a "slaxconf.mo" file with Firefox, Thunderbird, and also Opera, which can be "tacked on" too. The slaxconf.mo file is loaded on startup, and your additions are incorporated into your running linux. With Knoppix, etc. one uses a "persistent home directory" which is loaded at the boot prompt with "home=scan", and that file, like the slaxconf.mo is stored on a hard drive partition that is formatted either fat 16, 32 or ext2 or 3. (No ntsf XP partitions). Using KDE, one can make desktop icons for these browsers, and boot them up easily. Once made, the "persistent home directory" keeps up with your changes. Also, I use the "knoppix configuration" which keeps bookmarks, and goes with the other restoration file, and is booted with "myconfig=scan". I had hoped to be surfing with Navigator in just a few minutes time, but will have to wait till the Seamonkey installer is completed.
I run SLAX livecd on an old Toshiba Laptop 4015CDS, and store the configuration on the hard drive, also partitioned to allow a nice swap area. Originally, the machine came with Win98. SLAX is free, but not free of problems, perhaps it is not suited to ordinary users. It does look good when it is booted up, I have Firefox and Opera, use kppp for the dial up. Rather complicated to get a "slaxconf.mo" with all that. No, the sound does not work on this box for SLAX. Unfortunately, one has to pay something for a good OS that mostly works. Too bad Windows is getting so bloated. I'm trying to cut my knoppix remaster down, while offering more of what I can use in daily work. (See screenshots) Can look at it like this: You get Windows for free, with the computer. It's everybody else that is getting on the charge-for-os bandwagon. I'm having to. My day job paycheck does not buy much anymore. I'm just trying to pay the bills doing something that I like to do.
You really should try gimp. Running on a linux platform, it really does have some power. I use it all the time on a box with dual 200 MMX processors, and it is hard to kill. I just upgraded to Gimp 2.2 in my knoppix remaster (see screenshots). The top left screenshot shows Gimp 2.0 in action. Have not tried 2.2 in the remaster yet, have some more tweaks to make before going to press. Hope I did the right thing, I did not uninstall 2.0 first, but I'll soon know if all is well. With Gimp on a live cd , one can use any computer and do some work, upload the finished product to the server. For instance, the main top image (showing the building) on this site was cleaned up using Gimp. There was a bunch of old chairs on the right side of the building that were replaced with some grass and trees.
My remaster of Knoppix linux "installs" in a few minutes. There are lots of livecd linux distros out there that do that. Don't even have to come up with a username and password, either. I have Firefox 1.5, Thunderbird, and Opera. A wizard for WvDial. Also have a bunch of mouse cursor themes built in, switch to another in less than 15 seconds if the default theme is not what you want. (see screenshots, below)
I notice the dial-up requirements for XP are: 14.4 kilobits per second (Kbps) or higher-speed modem. That's slow, considering the patches and updates that have to be downloaded to keep the XP installation safe on the internet, from Microsoft, and Norton, etc.
I had to look around in this topic to find a response that was mostly correct, so now that I am here, here is my short story on Katrina as it came through central MS. I thought the damn winds would never stop. Every 5 minutes or so, we got a good strong blast, perhaps up to 70 MPH, and then it would die down a while. Trees came down on houses, cars and powerlines every so often where I live. You could hear the crash when the tree fell. Eventually, my barometer began to go back up, but the winds continued for a few more hours. Worn me out just wondering when I would get hit by a falling tree. I put a new roof on my house (myself) last year, and nailed it down good. It held. No power for several days, now it is back up. I was here when Camille came through in 1969, and this was way worse.
Ok, I got a good laugh out of this. I know they are serious, and this is a nice distro. Didn't Bill Gates hire the developer of Gentoo to be his linux man? Gentoo must be good to make Microsoft want to pick him out of all of the linux folks out there! Although I have my own knoppix remaster, I like to run SLAX linux livecd in ram. Very fast, and SLAX is smaller than mine, so it gets up and running in ram very quickly.
Just got a Wal*Mart flyer in the mail, and they have the Apple iPod + HP on sale for $198.32. part number is PW753AA#ABA. I guess Wal*Mart has a few to sell before they are all gone.
I wonder if it'll run a livecd linux. That would not require an installation on a hard drive, and one could be up and running in a few minutes. Then let the hardware problems begin.
I put it on Firefox running in my knoppix remaster (see screenshots), and my only complaint is that it seems to take more processing power to start up firefox when it is restarted after the "installation", which went flawlessly. Seems to have a lot of interesting features. My test machine is an old HP Pavilion 6330, with 128 MB ram, and I did notice the cpu monitor on my toolbar take a hit when Firefox started up, so I'll have to see how that goes next time around.
I did find KANOTIX LINUX LiveCD 2005-03..Like Knoppix on Steroids! for sale on eBay. Makes me wonder what constitutes a "custom linux distro". Mine certainly is, but I don't sell it on eBay. I did list it on Half.com, but they closed all of their computer stuff. Frankly, I am a little more than hesitant about selling on eBay, due to the problems I see others having with them. Some of the eBay sellers tell you about that in their product pages, and it makes one wonder if eBay hasn't gone overboard to protect the buyer.
Here we have another OS that will be preinstalled on the machines for sale in the stores. That means that the hardware has been tested to work with the OS, and the buyer only has to turn the machine on to boot to a desktop. That's the way it was with Windows 98. Sure, XP does boot to X, but it boots to the "pick a user" screen, assuming that there are more than one in the house. To get to the Administrator account, one has to press Ctrl-Alt-Delete twice once the above login screen appears. I don't know, but do Macs boot to the desktop when the box is turned on? Anyway, linux, as good as it is, is not installed on the computers for sale in the stores, such as Compusa, Office Depot or Walmart. Windows XP is, and now we have the chance to see Mac OS X there too, I assume. Dell wants to provide that also, and they are the online leader in sales of computers, and may out-sell the stores, but I doubt it. Too easy to impulse-buy a nice HP, Compaq, Gateway or Emachines computer and walk away from the store, get it up and running that day. Linux, with all of it's variants, will always need to get that OS on the computers, somehow, at the stores to do well. Right now, I am running a remaster of Damn Small Linux, but not from the CD, I have booted it with loadlin, and the/knoppix folder is in/dev/hdb1. Normally this OS runs as a LiveCD distro. I have had a case lately where an XP machine got to an unbootable state, needing repair or reinstall, and I loaned a LiveCD for use until the machine could be fixed. The owner could check AOL email, do online banking, use Google to look for answers on the no-boot problem, visit the manufacturers websites to view the support documents, and generally surf the web looking for answers.
Files could be viewed and saved from the unbootable drive.
So LiveCD linux has a place in this world of XP boxes.
I understand that Mac OS is a lot more stable than XP, so the above crash scenario may not be a problem.
A lot of in-store purchases of boxes with that OS installed will have to occur before we see the competition with XP and Linux.
One more item: Owners of XP boxes need broadband to download all the patches and security fixes, dialup won't really do the job, especially if they have Microsoft Office also. The nearly daily updates of the virus scanner files adds to the problem. All unnecessary with liveCD linux.
That's why we have such powerful computers in the stores now. Not only does windows require a lot of memory and processor speed, but all those other tasks that need to be running have to be accomodated. Currently, I am running XP with Norton firewall and antivirus. I'm supposed to feel safe with those two icons in the tray. By the time you read this, I have rebooted into my LiveCD linux OS, (see signature), and I feel safer yet with that running on this box. Kinda makes you wonder when intrusions like this have happened.
Both Windows and Mac OS come preinstalled on computers. They want a computer, go buy one, and that's what is on it.
Now, everything works, also. Turn the machine on, and it boots up to a desktop. With Linux, it is installed on Windows machines, and there are issues with the modem and soundcard. Changes and additions to the hardware have to be made on the box. Then you are good to go.
The virus and trojan problems with Windows keep the average user busy with Virus Scanner and Firewall programs, so much so, it is a big distraction. But, if that is ignored, then we have another zombie. So much easier to run LiveCD Linux, or have someone install SuSE on the hard drive.
I had a case this week of an XP box that booted, but the installation was so corrupted that the machine ran the CPU almost wide open. Couldn't kill that runaway process in XP. Until I could reinstall, the user ran my LiveCD linux cdrom, and was able to check AOL email, do online banking, and work with Half.com, in addition to casual web surfing with Firefox. Needed XP fixed, so Turbotax and Quicken would work, as well as AOL. The Windows folks are working hard on the next version of their OS, and it will be scalable, so it will run on a lot of currently available hardware, or so I am told. Windows will be around for a good long while, and the Linux guys will have to keep on improving their OS's. We are at it every day. (See my work in my signature)
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I wonder how that would work. Forgot to pay your annual Norton bill? Didn't download the latest virus definitions? Will it be illegal to run XP without keeping it updated and protected? Grandma's being taken off in handcuffs for buying a Walmart box and not properly attending to the security issues?
Just my opinion, but ubuntu takes too long to boot up, when using the livecd version, and one has to answer too many questions. I tried it, but did not like it.
Almost got it installed, then was told the extension is not compatable with FF 1.5.
About links: I just started up Elinks on my knoppix remaster, and although it is a little like
lynx, it is fast. The scroll wheel works in the browser, but I note that the black background
makes it hard to see the cursor. I use this page for a start page:
http://www.angelfire.com/ms/telegram/fast.html
...if you have talent. Most bands don't.
Excuse me while I listen to Alice Cooper's "Poison" on my Kanotix Lite, XMMS system.
The song was ripped off Club 977 the other day with Streamtuner.
I don't know what system he used to put that together, but it sounds ok to me.
Bring some Mosquito Repellent. Deep Woods Off! works for me. Supposed to last up to 8 hours, but probably not in the hot Sun. As you can see when you visit the link, they have it in three forms, the towelettes look like they would be easy to carry and pack. I use the spray, put it on your arms if exposed, a favorite target of the little varmits. Of course they will bite you any where they can.
I looked, and Opera 8.50 is for Windows 95 -XP only. In fact, when I tried to download a linux version of Opera, I was offered the Windows version. They still have linux versions in the archives, but Opera 8.02 for Linux cannot be found today. Glad I got it yesterday.
I am running Katonix right now, and already have Firefox and Opera installed, using the persistent home directory option that works for Knoppix and Katonix. /home/knoppix/seamonkey-installer directory. So far so good. in that directory, I find and run ./seamonkey-installer. I decide to install Navigator only. The destination directory area is not active (greyed out). I click "next". The installer wants to install in /usr/local/seamonkey /home/knoppix/firefox. That I have done with the /home/knoppix/seamonkey, and I would be good to go. Surely the Mozilla seamonkey folks will fix this in an upcoming nightly, so I can try it out on live cd setups. On my Knoppix remaster, I open up the filesystem with chroot, and install Opera 8.02, but with Firefox 1.5, I just tack it on to /home/knoppix and let it go at that. I am not sure if a lot of people know they can test these Mozilla products with a livecd, but they can, I have used SLAX, in which one has to create a "slaxconf.mo" file with Firefox, Thunderbird, and also Opera, which can be "tacked on" too. The slaxconf.mo file is loaded on startup, and your additions are incorporated into your running linux. With Knoppix, etc. one uses a "persistent home directory" which is loaded at the boot prompt with "home=scan", and that file, like the slaxconf.mo is stored on a hard drive partition that is formatted either fat 16, 32 or ext2 or 3.
I cannot install SeaMonkey, as the installer wants to install to a non-writable directory. (I am running a livecd distro)
First, when I unzip the tarball and "tar -xvf I get
and it says that directory doesn't exist, Create it? Knowing I am doomed here on a live cd, I click "yes" anyway, and the installer says:
Error 624, can't make destination directory, please try another directory, which I can't. No way given to do that. Can do that in Firefox installers, however, and I usually use
Firefox 1.0.6 browser I am running now on Katonix livecd linux. What I would do with Seamonkey is use
(No ntsf XP partitions). Using KDE, one can make desktop icons for these browsers, and boot them up easily. Once made, the "persistent home directory" keeps up with your changes. Also, I use the "knoppix configuration" which keeps bookmarks, and goes with the other restoration file, and is booted with "myconfig=scan". I had hoped to be surfing with Navigator in just a few minutes time, but will have to wait till the Seamonkey installer is completed.
I run SLAX livecd on an old Toshiba Laptop 4015CDS, and store the configuration on the hard drive, also partitioned to allow a nice swap area.
Originally, the machine came with Win98. SLAX is free, but not free of problems, perhaps it is not suited to ordinary users. It does look good when it is booted up, I have Firefox and Opera, use kppp for the dial up. Rather complicated to get a "slaxconf.mo" with all that. No, the sound does not work on this box for SLAX. Unfortunately, one has to pay something for a good OS that mostly works. Too bad Windows is getting so bloated. I'm trying to cut my knoppix remaster down, while offering more of what I can use in daily work. (See screenshots) Can look at it like this: You get Windows for free, with the computer. It's everybody else that is getting on the charge-for-os bandwagon. I'm having to. My day job paycheck does not buy much anymore. I'm just trying to pay the bills doing something that I like to do.
You really should try gimp. Running on a linux platform, it really does have some power. I use it all the time on a box with dual 200 MMX processors, and it is hard to kill. I just upgraded to Gimp 2.2 in my knoppix remaster (see screenshots). The top left screenshot shows Gimp 2.0 in action. Have not tried 2.2 in the remaster yet, have some more tweaks to make before going to press. Hope I did the right thing, I did not uninstall 2.0 first, but I'll soon know if all is well. With Gimp on a live cd , one can use any computer and do some work, upload the finished product to the server.
For instance, the main top image (showing the building) on this site was cleaned up using Gimp. There was a bunch of old chairs on the right side of the building that were replaced with some grass and trees.
Don't forget about the P-51 Mustang.
The North American P-51D Mustang: Beautiful then, beautiful now.
My remaster of Knoppix linux "installs" in a few minutes. There are lots of livecd linux distros out there that do that. Don't even have to come up with a username and password, either. I have Firefox 1.5, Thunderbird, and Opera. A wizard for WvDial. Also have a bunch of mouse cursor themes built in, switch to another in less than 15 seconds if the default theme is not what you want. (see screenshots, below)
I notice the dial-up requirements for XP are:
14.4 kilobits per second (Kbps) or higher-speed modem.
That's slow, considering the patches and updates that have to be downloaded to keep the XP installation safe on the internet, from Microsoft, and Norton, etc.
::classified content to be declassified the day after "Area 51" is declassified for real by the Defense Department::
There, now everyone knows.
I had to look around in this topic to find a response that was mostly correct, so now that I am here, here is my short story on Katrina as it came through central MS. I thought the damn winds would never stop. Every 5 minutes or so, we got a good strong blast, perhaps up to 70 MPH, and then it would die down a while. Trees came down on houses, cars and powerlines every so often where I live.
You could hear the crash when the tree fell. Eventually, my barometer began to go back up, but the winds continued for a few more hours. Worn me out just wondering when I would get hit by a falling tree. I put a new roof on my house (myself) last year, and nailed it down good. It held. No power for several days, now it is back up. I was here when Camille came through in 1969, and this was way worse.
Ok, I got a good laugh out of this. I know they are serious, and this is a nice distro. Didn't Bill Gates hire the developer of Gentoo to be his linux man? Gentoo must be good to make Microsoft want to pick him out of all of the linux folks out there!
Although I have my own knoppix remaster, I like to run SLAX linux livecd in ram. Very fast, and SLAX is smaller than mine, so it gets up and running in ram very quickly.
Alligator is spelled "Alligator" not "Aligator".
Bored? Here's an Alligator website to look at!
What's funny is he used kitchen utensils to do some of the disassembly of the Mac mini.
Just got a Wal*Mart flyer in the mail, and they have the Apple iPod + HP on sale for $198.32.
part number is PW753AA#ABA.
I guess Wal*Mart has a few to sell before they are all gone.
I wonder if it'll run a livecd linux. That would not require an installation on a hard drive, and one could be up and running in a few minutes.
Then let the hardware problems begin.
I put it on Firefox running in my knoppix remaster (see screenshots), and my only complaint is that it seems to take more processing power to start up firefox when it is restarted after the "installation", which went flawlessly. Seems to have a lot of interesting features. My test machine is an old HP Pavilion 6330, with 128 MB ram, and I did notice the cpu monitor on my toolbar take a hit when Firefox started up, so I'll have to see how that goes next time around.
I did find KANOTIX LINUX LiveCD 2005-03..Like Knoppix on Steroids! for sale on eBay.
Makes me wonder what constitutes a "custom linux distro". Mine certainly is, but I don't sell it on eBay. I did list it on Half.com, but they closed all of their computer stuff. Frankly, I am a little more than hesitant about selling on eBay, due to the problems I see others having with them.
Some of the eBay sellers tell you about that in their product pages, and it makes one wonder if eBay hasn't gone overboard to protect the buyer.
Here we have another OS that will be preinstalled on the machines for sale in the stores. /knoppix folder is in /dev/hdb1.
That means that the hardware has been tested to work with the OS, and the buyer only has to turn the machine on to boot to a desktop.
That's the way it was with Windows 98.
Sure, XP does boot to X, but it boots to the "pick a user" screen, assuming that there are more than one in the house.
To get to the Administrator account, one has to press Ctrl-Alt-Delete twice once the above login screen appears.
I don't know, but do Macs boot to the desktop when the box is turned on?
Anyway, linux, as good as it is, is not installed on the computers for sale in the stores, such as Compusa, Office Depot or Walmart.
Windows XP is, and now we have the chance to see Mac OS X there too, I assume.
Dell wants to provide that also, and they are the online leader in sales of computers, and may out-sell the stores, but I doubt it.
Too easy to impulse-buy a nice HP, Compaq, Gateway or Emachines computer and walk away from the store, get it up and running that day.
Linux, with all of it's variants, will always need to get that OS on the computers, somehow, at the stores to do well.
Right now, I am running a remaster of Damn Small Linux, but not from the CD, I have booted it with loadlin, and the
Normally this OS runs as a LiveCD distro.
I have had a case lately where an XP machine got to an unbootable state, needing repair or reinstall, and I loaned a LiveCD for use until the machine could be fixed. The owner could check AOL email, do online banking, use Google to look for answers on the no-boot problem, visit the manufacturers websites to view the support documents, and generally surf the web looking for answers.
Files could be viewed and saved from the unbootable drive.
So LiveCD linux has a place in this world of XP boxes.
I understand that Mac OS is a lot more stable than XP, so the above crash scenario may not be a problem.
A lot of in-store purchases of boxes with that OS installed will have to occur before we see the competition with XP and Linux.
One more item:
Owners of XP boxes need broadband to download all the patches and security fixes, dialup won't really do the job, especially if they have Microsoft Office also. The nearly daily updates of the virus scanner files adds to the problem. All unnecessary with liveCD linux.
That's why we have such powerful computers in the stores now. Not only does windows require a lot of memory and processor speed, but all those other tasks that need to be running have to be accomodated.
Currently, I am running XP with Norton firewall and antivirus. I'm supposed to feel safe with those two icons in the tray.
By the time you read this, I have rebooted into my LiveCD linux OS, (see signature), and I feel safer yet with that running on this box. Kinda makes you wonder when intrusions like this have happened.
Both Windows and Mac OS come preinstalled on computers. They want a computer, go buy one, and that's what is on it.
Now, everything works, also.
Turn the machine on, and it boots up to a desktop.
With Linux, it is installed on Windows machines, and there are issues with the modem and soundcard.
Changes and additions to the hardware have to be made on the box. Then you are good to go.
The virus and trojan problems with Windows keep the average user busy with Virus Scanner and Firewall programs, so much so, it is a big distraction.
But, if that is ignored, then we have another zombie.
So much easier to run LiveCD Linux, or have someone install SuSE on the hard drive.
I had a case this week of an XP box that booted, but the installation was so corrupted that the machine ran the CPU almost wide open. Couldn't kill that runaway process in XP. Until I could reinstall, the user ran my LiveCD linux cdrom, and
was able to check AOL email, do online banking, and work with Half.com, in addition to casual web surfing with Firefox.
Needed XP fixed, so Turbotax and Quicken would work, as well as AOL.
The Windows folks are working hard on the next version of their OS, and it will be scalable, so it will run on a lot of currently available hardware, or so I am told.
Windows will be around for a good long while, and the Linux guys will have to keep on improving their OS's. We are at it every day. (See my work in my signature)