(Since I noticed that I couldn't view page two because "This Account Has Been Suspended")
I had been wondering when Pat was going to give us Slackers Gnome 2.8. I had heard he didn't much care for Gnome, and I decided to ask him when we might be seeing it in -current. I emailed him.
Quote:
Troy McFerron to volkerdi Oct 6 (1 day ago)
I have been using Slackware 10.0 for about a month now and having switched from Redhat based distros, I am really enjoying it.
My only issue is that Gnome 2.8 has been released for some time now and there aren't any Slackware packages available to allow me a clean upgrade path. I could install it from source (with a lot of hair pulling), but would prefer official packages. 2.8 is a signifigant release for the GNOME project, and I think a lot of people would be happy to see it go into -current, so we could upgrade.
I hope this is something that is close to happening and I am bothering you for no reason, but its something that Ubuntu has by default and most other distros have easy to install packages for.
Thanks,
Troy McFerron
This was his reply:
Quote: On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Troy McFerron wrote: > I hope this is something that is close to happening and I am bothering > you for no reason, but its something that Ubuntu has by default and > most other distros have easy to install packages for.
GNOME 2.8? I'm not aware of too many distributions that contain that.
Anyway, suffice to say the jury is still out. Since GNOME 1.4 I've felt that GNOME is going in a direction that doesn't fit well with Slackware's goals, and for at least as long I've considered removing it completely and taking whatever flames I get for that decision. Right now, I think removing it would be the best thing for Slackware as it's become a maintainance nightmare (unlike nearly every other./configure'ed source, GNOME doesn't build into packages easily with DESTDIR).
Not what you wanted to hear, I'm sure, but I do believe it would be best to let Dropline produce Slackware's GNOME and quit wasting my own time with it. Probably 1/3 of developement time here is used maintaining GNOME, and *most* of the bug reports I get have something to do with GNOME (and aren't bugs I caused, or can fix). KDE, on the other hand, tends to build using the existing build scripts with no changes at all. I can start the build and come back to finished packages in a few hours. A GNOME update usually takes at least a week of manual labor, and another week of cleaning up broken things. It's been a long time (like I said, around GNOME 1.4), since I've felt the effort was worth the return.
Back in the days when horses were actually useful rather than merely a pleasant distraction and when their food was cheap and often grown by the folk feeding them, I suspect that looking a gift horse in the mouth was not done. After all, any horse old enough to be a liability back then was probably old enough that a look in the mouth was unnecessary - and they could always kill it and feed it to their other carnivorous animals (or perhaps even to their family).
The only IBM application I've migrated thus far was iSeriesAccess, and it had the same problem under SuSE (which my boss initially brought in) and Debian (with which I replaced SuSE). Overall I prefer Debian, but SuSE was indeed simpler to bring in and install - the advantages of Debian come from greater ease of maintenance (if you know what you're doing, of course, as yast certainly simplifies things for those who don't know what they're doing under Linux). IBM was actually very pro-active about helping with the issue after if occurred under Debian (I didn't push it much under SuSE), but the latest version of Sarge seems to have made the issue resolve itself and IBM's techs never had an opportunity to get further than requesting further information.
Soon I'll move into trying to migrate some Magic apps and we'll see how that works out. Apparently there is limited command-line support, but the gal who handles the Magic "programming" (drag-and-drop functionality control, apparently) isn't Linux-savvy and the details are quite vague
All told, I definitely think the final result will have great advantages over Windows; however, I certainly wish we could replace all of the hardware and install Mac OS X instead - it would be much easier to maintain and dramatically easier for the users to migrate.
To answer the question directly, it should be quite simple to write a script under Linux or Mac OS X, quite likely utilizing mp3splitter, to achieve this task - it should be possible under Windows, too, but probably easier and certainly stabler and more secure under Linux or Mac OS X.
To answer the question obliquely, I would suggest that you may be able to write a script to run on a portable recording device utilizing an open source system to automate recording in your desired sample format.
To answer your question with a completely different approach than that requested, I would suggest that you could simply continue using your custom chip solution, since it's developed and functional, with one change - stock up now on a supply of the devices sufficient to last for the life of your project. That would prevent your having to develop any new solutions whatsoever.
Why, in my day we had to use chalk and slate to work out the math ourselves. All the kids used to daydream of having a long-lost relative come to town after a visit to asia in the navy bringing us an abacus...
Hallelujah, Brother! This is just what I was about to mention. Dashboard is very much Desk Accessories using Expose with a touch of the original control panel for the interface. I should think nearly everyone who used Macs prior to System 7 (particularly those of us who used Macs before the Multi-Finder) would compare Dashboard to DAs rather than to Konfabulator. I suppose those attacking Apple for stealing Dashboard from Konfabulator might also attack them for stealing the trash can from the recycle bin:/ .
Hey, I have an original Pilot. How do I arrange to get one of these things?
oh, and can I get Linux or FreeBSD to run on it or is it just a really small blue BSOD?
I was doing that a decade ago with mics, mixer and two cassette decks - and I can safely guarantee that thousands of Deadheads were doing it two decades prior to that.
you stole my Score:5 Interersting!!!!!
doggonit!
However, my comment was going to be: If "plog is short for 'project log' like a blog is short for 'web log.'" then shouldn't it be called a "tlog?"
I think that if the term must exist then "plog" is preferable, but the original post's comment would only be correct for the term "tlog."
I think you're confusing Apple hardware with Apple software. OS X has supported my M$ intellimouse natively for years - although with your confusion of hardware and OS, I suppose you think the mouse somehow supports itself through Windows when used on my PowerBook...;)
just what I was thinking. why anyone wants an app to automate ordering from Domino's is beyond me - it seems about as useful as an automated mud pie maker - and that might at least be entertaining to watch.
Just what I was thinking. Consider which is simpler and more effective:
taking a photo, sending it to the server, including information as to where you wish to go, and then working out the directions from there
or:
looking at a map at your hotel, having the concierge trace your path and provide directions, and glancing at the map occasionally to be certain you've not lost your way.
If method two gives you trouble, method one won't work unless you send photos every couple of blocks.
Actually, (and I did double check the dictionary to be certain I'm not making an incorrection) there are two primary definitions of "gender." One is the meaning you provide. The other is "sex," as in the masculine or feminine gender - not a grammatical term. So the use of gender in the original post is correct - although it's one of a number of posts today which suggest such bad ideas that I suspect they're poor April Fool's jokes.
and they both got them replaced with newer models after three problems over the course of many months. One girl had her Pismo replaced with a TiBook on her third return in ~6 months and a guy had his 5300 replaced by a 1400 (that doesn't look like it would have been an upgrade, does it - even crazier model numbering than Winblows 95 - 98 - Me or NT 3.5 - 4 -2000) when he'd had the 5300 for well over a year.
From what I've heard about Apple repairs, it's the luck of the draw as to how you're treated.:(
I really love being able to tell Debian "hey, please install this package" and having it reply "well, I can do that but only if I update another 150 packages in order to resolve various dependencies between them. Is that hunky dory?" with my being able to reply "have at it!"
Of course, there are time when I have a reason to build from source, but that's rare; it's also ill-advised since my clients' in-house IT staff needs to be able to maintain and build boxes on their own when I'm not around.
Another advantage is the saving of time - it's much speedier to type "apt-get install BBEdit" (and with my PowerBook out of commission I certainly wish that were possible) than to manually find, DL and install source.
if you have friends in the US, you could ask them to purchase cards - or an allowance - for you. This is quite possibly what the fellow suggesting you email him will offer to do. I should think it's legal - there's no law I know of preventing me from buying a CD and sending it to you.
My reply subject was going to be Mac OS X if noone had beat me to it, as I'd expected. My mother runs Jaguar and has never had trouble with pop-ups (since using Mozilla and then Safari), worms, viruses, spyware, self-installed apps or even much junk mail. No BSOD, rarely any software issues, and she has a generally useable and reliable OS with the applications she needs.
Those of you who are fans or friends of fans of KISS and/or 70's kitsch will recognize the reference to Phantom of the Paradise, in which Paul Stanley shot some sort of laser beam from his eye. I'm a friend of a fan, so I can't guarantee it was his right eye, but...
While g5s are technically superior chips, I suspect that their reasons are at least partly along the social engineering lines. They've had a lot of "trouble" (as they perceive it) with X-Box hackers. By moving to the G5, they're all starting nearly from scratch. Yes, that means having to write/re-engineer lots of tech to run on the G5 - but it also means that the average hacker isn't going to already have that tech running on the G5 when they start cracking into the X-Box. Also, the various Unixes already run on the X-Box's new chip, but M$ may hope it is more difficult to hack them onto the X-Box G5 architecture. The X-Box will almost certainly have a much more proprietary architecture than the original cheap PC in a fancy box.
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(Since I noticed that I couldn't view page two because "This Account Has Been Suspended")
./configure'ed source,
I had been wondering when Pat was going to give us Slackers Gnome 2.8. I had heard he didn't much care for Gnome, and I decided to ask him when we might be seeing it in -current. I emailed him.
Quote:
Troy McFerron
to volkerdi
Oct 6 (1 day ago)
I have been using Slackware 10.0 for about a month now and having
switched from Redhat based distros, I am really enjoying it.
My only issue is that Gnome 2.8 has been released for some time now
and there aren't any Slackware packages available to allow me a clean
upgrade path. I could install it from source (with a lot of hair
pulling), but would prefer official packages. 2.8 is a signifigant
release for the GNOME project, and I think a lot of people would be
happy to see it go into -current, so we could upgrade.
I hope this is something that is close to happening and I am bothering
you for no reason, but its something that Ubuntu has by default and
most other distros have easy to install packages for.
Thanks,
Troy McFerron
This was his reply:
Quote:
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Troy McFerron wrote:
> I hope this is something that is close to happening and I am bothering
> you for no reason, but its something that Ubuntu has by default and
> most other distros have easy to install packages for.
GNOME 2.8? I'm not aware of too many distributions that contain that.
Anyway, suffice to say the jury is still out. Since GNOME 1.4 I've felt
that GNOME is going in a direction that doesn't fit well with Slackware's
goals, and for at least as long I've considered removing it completely and
taking whatever flames I get for that decision. Right now, I think
removing it would be the best thing for Slackware as it's become a
maintainance nightmare (unlike nearly every other
GNOME doesn't build into packages easily with DESTDIR).
Not what you wanted to hear, I'm sure, but I do believe it would be best
to let Dropline produce Slackware's GNOME and quit wasting my own time
with it. Probably 1/3 of developement time here is used maintaining
GNOME, and *most* of the bug reports I get have something to do with GNOME
(and aren't bugs I caused, or can fix). KDE, on the other hand, tends to
build using the existing build scripts with no changes at all. I can
start the build and come back to finished packages in a few hours. A
GNOME update usually takes at least a week of manual labor, and another
week of cleaning up broken things. It's been a long time (like I said,
around GNOME 1.4), since I've felt the effort was worth the return.
Sincerely,
Pat
Back in the days when horses were actually useful rather than merely a pleasant distraction and when their food was cheap and often grown by the folk feeding them, I suspect that looking a gift horse in the mouth was not done. After all, any horse old enough to be a liability back then was probably old enough that a look in the mouth was unnecessary - and they could always kill it and feed it to their other carnivorous animals (or perhaps even to their family).
Soon I'll move into trying to migrate some Magic apps and we'll see how that works out. Apparently there is limited command-line support, but the gal who handles the Magic "programming" (drag-and-drop functionality control, apparently) isn't Linux-savvy and the details are quite vague
All told, I definitely think the final result will have great advantages over Windows; however, I certainly wish we could replace all of the hardware and install Mac OS X instead - it would be much easier to maintain and dramatically easier for the users to migrate.
To answer the question directly, it should be quite simple to write a script under Linux or Mac OS X, quite likely utilizing mp3splitter, to achieve this task - it should be possible under Windows, too, but probably easier and certainly stabler and more secure under Linux or Mac OS X.
To answer the question obliquely, I would suggest that you may be able to write a script to run on a portable recording device utilizing an open source system to automate recording in your desired sample format.
To answer your question with a completely different approach than that requested, I would suggest that you could simply continue using your custom chip solution, since it's developed and functional, with one change - stock up now on a supply of the devices sufficient to last for the life of your project. That would prevent your having to develop any new solutions whatsoever.
Speed buggy and, to a lesser extent, Herbie the love bug came to my mind when I read this.
Why, in my day we had to use chalk and slate to work out the math ourselves. All the kids used to daydream of having a long-lost relative come to town after a visit to asia in the navy bringing us an abacus...
20GB for music files is sooo 2003.
Hallelujah, Brother! This is just what I was about to mention. Dashboard is very much Desk Accessories using Expose with a touch of the original control panel for the interface. I should think nearly everyone who used Macs prior to System 7 (particularly those of us who used Macs before the Multi-Finder) would compare Dashboard to DAs rather than to Konfabulator. I suppose those attacking Apple for stealing Dashboard from Konfabulator might also attack them for stealing the trash can from the recycle bin :/ .
Hey, I have an original Pilot. How do I arrange to get one of these things? oh, and can I get Linux or FreeBSD to run on it or is it just a really small blue BSOD?
I was doing that a decade ago with mics, mixer and two cassette decks - and I can safely guarantee that thousands of Deadheads were doing it two decades prior to that.
you stole my Score:5 Interersting!!!!! doggonit! However, my comment was going to be: If "plog is short for 'project log' like a blog is short for 'web log.'" then shouldn't it be called a "tlog?" I think that if the term must exist then "plog" is preferable, but the original post's comment would only be correct for the term "tlog."
I think you're confusing Apple hardware with Apple software. OS X has supported my M$ intellimouse natively for years - although with your confusion of hardware and OS, I suppose you think the mouse somehow supports itself through Windows when used on my PowerBook... ;)
just what I was thinking. why anyone wants an app to automate ordering from Domino's is beyond me - it seems about as useful as an automated mud pie maker - and that might at least be entertaining to watch.
The next time someone tells you that the G5 chip really flies, don't take them so literally. sheesh!
Just what I was thinking. Consider which is simpler and more effective: taking a photo, sending it to the server, including information as to where you wish to go, and then working out the directions from there or: looking at a map at your hotel, having the concierge trace your path and provide directions, and glancing at the map occasionally to be certain you've not lost your way. If method two gives you trouble, method one won't work unless you send photos every couple of blocks.
No, XP is much friendlier than knocking. On XP the door is wide open and XP waves hackers welcome and says "please join in."
Actually, (and I did double check the dictionary to be certain I'm not making an incorrection) there are two primary definitions of "gender." One is the meaning you provide. The other is "sex," as in the masculine or feminine gender - not a grammatical term. So the use of gender in the original post is correct - although it's one of a number of posts today which suggest such bad ideas that I suspect they're poor April Fool's jokes.
From what I've heard about Apple repairs, it's the luck of the draw as to how you're treated. :(
I really love being able to tell Debian "hey, please install this package" and having it reply "well, I can do that but only if I update another 150 packages in order to resolve various dependencies between them. Is that hunky dory?" with my being able to reply "have at it!" Of course, there are time when I have a reason to build from source, but that's rare; it's also ill-advised since my clients' in-house IT staff needs to be able to maintain and build boxes on their own when I'm not around. Another advantage is the saving of time - it's much speedier to type "apt-get install BBEdit" (and with my PowerBook out of commission I certainly wish that were possible) than to manually find, DL and install source.
http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/index-en.ht ml
if you have friends in the US, you could ask them to purchase cards - or an allowance - for you. This is quite possibly what the fellow suggesting you email him will offer to do. I should think it's legal - there's no law I know of preventing me from buying a CD and sending it to you.
My reply subject was going to be Mac OS X if noone had beat me to it, as I'd expected. My mother runs Jaguar and has never had trouble with pop-ups (since using Mozilla and then Safari), worms, viruses, spyware, self-installed apps or even much junk mail. No BSOD, rarely any software issues, and she has a generally useable and reliable OS with the applications she needs.
and a more obvious but less appropriate reference for those not so unfortunate as to have suffered through Phantom of the Paradise.
Those of you who are fans or friends of fans of KISS and/or 70's kitsch will recognize the reference to Phantom of the Paradise, in which Paul Stanley shot some sort of laser beam from his eye. I'm a friend of a fan, so I can't guarantee it was his right eye, but...
While g5s are technically superior chips, I suspect that their reasons are at least partly along the social engineering lines. They've had a lot of "trouble" (as they perceive it) with X-Box hackers. By moving to the G5, they're all starting nearly from scratch. Yes, that means having to write/re-engineer lots of tech to run on the G5 - but it also means that the average hacker isn't going to already have that tech running on the G5 when they start cracking into the X-Box. Also, the various Unixes already run on the X-Box's new chip, but M$ may hope it is more difficult to hack them onto the X-Box G5 architecture. The X-Box will almost certainly have a much more proprietary architecture than the original cheap PC in a fancy box.