Okay this is a pretty good proof of concept and it runs super slow. I looked over at my cpu usage though thinking it was hogging it like flash and cpu usage was almost non-existent. I would love to see this implemented well, but OTOH I would probably start running noscript to block ads eventually too.
I realize this comes down to an old discussion “what is art?” I want to point out a couple of flaws in Mr. Ebert's post but then also point out that there is not a clear and concise answer to my question nor to the challenges posed by Ebert.
“Let me just say that no video gamer now living will survive long enough to experience the medium as an art form.”
To this I disagree, and if I may point to Jason Rohrer’s Passage without getting poo flung at me for choosing something so obvious then I would also comment that this simple game plays like a poem, or like a short film. It uses the decision and direction of the player as part of the changing story that is told and can in fact be experienced many ways, though the end is essentially the same. However and this is key, one must play the game to experience it fully.
This is a fatal flaw in Ebert’s commentary, he is happy to judge games by a little video, maybe a snapshot and some commentary. He would never do this with a movie.
Does it make sense to judge George Melies' "A Voyage to the Moon" (1902) from a single image or a series of images? No, and in fact the proof that it is a work of art is in the exhibition and experience of the whole work.
Games are meant to be played. One cannot judge the quality of a game without playing it. Rather what kind of judgement can one make about a game without playing?
Ebert says, “No one in or out of the field has ever been able to cite a game worthy of comparison with the great poets, filmmakers, novelists and poets." This is wrong because I do believe that this assertion has been made. Ebert however will never be able to verify this, as he will never play these games. This is a man who has a great depth of knowledge in a field attempting to extend it and to argue about something of which he knows little or nothing.
Finally I want to comment about the idea of art because so many people are just getting this wrong. The definition of art has changed time and again and will likely continue to do so. The problem is that many people who want to say that something is (or more likely is not) art are just not experts. I am NOT saying that people should stfu or anything like that, but if a work is accepted by the community of artists, historians and museums then it IS art whether we like it or not. There is plenty of art I do not like, but that does not make it less art than the stuff I do like.
To that end WACO Resurrection is a work of art, it was made by artists (Eddo Stern, Peter Brinson, Brody Condon, Michael Wilson, Mark Allen, Jessica Hutchins) and has been exhibited at art venues
INSTALLATION HISTORY:
Gamezone Festival, De Singal, Antwerpen, Brussels
Slamdance Film Festival, Park City, Utah
Ars Electronica, Linz, Austra
Australian Center of the Moving Image(ACMI), Melbourne, Australia
Grand Arts, Kansas City, MI
Next Wave Festival, Melbourne, Australia
Rotterdam Film Festival, Rotterdam, Netherlands
Yerba Buena Center for the Arts, San Francisco, CA
The Kitchen. New York, NY
If you do not like it that is your prerogative but you are being silly if you claim it is not art. It may not be a masterpiece, but it is by a young group of artists who show a great deal of promise, whose work may eventually fulfill the challenge laid out at the beginning of this post. But these people are artists and not game designers per se. Artists will make art.
Finally I want to say that I think the whole discussion “is this art” is a dead end. I hope to find the time to post again and talk about the influence of Marcel Duchamp on the
As is pointed out in another post the article lists 900k posts per day, and you forgot two decimal places.001% is.00001*900k = 9 blog posts per day, which is actually a little low but right in the ballpark.
I had a similar problem and sent the ITMS a pleasant email explaining my situation. I was unable to locate which of 6 machines had been authorized to play my iTunes Music before a massive re-install/upgrade.
The nice folks at the ITMS reset my account so that I just had to re-authorize my machines. I suppose it is possible that they no longer do this, but did you contact the ITMS, or did you just assume that you were screwed?
This is not a problem with math, the point from the article is that 'linux potentially violates 283 patents' a precise, concrete number. Balmer saying that it violates over 228, on top of simply being wrong, presents an uncertain number.
Reading the article also says:
'The point of the study was actually to eliminate the FUD about Linux's alleged legal problems by attaching a quantifiable measure versus the speculation,i he said. 'And the number we found, to anyone familiar with this issue, is so average as to be boring; almost any piece of software potentially infringes at least that many patents.'
Assuming Balmer's speechwriter actually read the study, why was the 'more than 228' number made up?
has more information, they suspect it is related to the posting of pictures of undercover police officers. Oddly enough the officers were photographing protesters.
Pointing your camera at the ground and pressing the shutter does not a piece of art make.
unless you happen to be minor white
Sure you get a bunch of photos, but can you really say that you, the photographer, were the one taking the random, haphazard pictures?
Seriously consider found art, Dada, postmodern art and other forms of high art and the answer is yes, btw did you bother to look at the pictures before ranting? I am a photographer and was taken by the composition and beauty of the pictures.
I hate when people demean art by claiming that their homespun crap is on par with the work of true artists.
It is impossible to demean art. I hate it when people think that art has to be made by a certain class of people to be art. And by homespun crap are you referring to folk art? If it was in a gallery you would call it art.
I'm looking right at you, Thomas Kinkade!
And poor Thomas Kinkade will go home and cry in his big pile of money.
And I am certain that these "artists" will refuse to have single songs played on the radio as well since it upsets the "artistic integrity" of the whole.
If however that is the case then I will buy the whole album as artistic statement argument, otherwise it is about money.
I downloaded and installed it. It throws QT 6.4 on as well. It installed under Win2k without a hitch. I turned iTunes on on the TiBook and my library showed up immediately. I authorized the new machine for the music I downloaded from apple and it is playing flawlessly.
I tried out some of the functionality I am use to, visualizer commands are the same, and performed well. The machine I am running it on is a bit old so I can forgive the low frame rate (like 10).
the un classification system is pretty much completely out of date. I believe the only term currently in use is 3rd world, and it often has a negative connotation.
Randy Bass at Georgetown http://www.georgetown.edu/faculty/bassr/ did several interesting investigations which used computers to improve learning in the classroom. I would recommend looking at his work. His work focuses more seriously on the scholarship of teaching and learning, but I think he managed to find some good lessons about dealing with new media in english classrooms.
I think you need to consider the question, "what exactly do you want to get out of this?" and you will have an easier time figuring out how computers will fit into the picture (if at all).
Others have mentioned wiki's and similar tools which create a wonderful collaborative environment, but may be less than useful if there is no real goal to their use.
Either way it is a mistake to just throw an english class into a computer lab without a definite goal.
So my teeth can still turn yellow, I can age prematurely, I can maintain my ashtray kiss and my wardrobe can still smell like a bar and I do not have to worry about being addicted? This is a leap forward in the sciences.
I was on a long distance train and the guy ahead of me made call after call after call in a loud voice. I started taking notes and later made a call to a friend where I talked about some new "story ideas" I had. I related about 90 minutes of the guys conversations in pretty good detail with some snyde comments about quality of life and shallowness of characters. He ended up making more calls, but moved to another seat to do so.
When reading the book The Cathedral and the Bazaar it occured to me that after the Cathedral was in operation it usually had a bazaar or market place outside the westwork. I questioned where this played into the metaphor (of construction). It is also interesting to note that the market place was the first liminal step towards the divinity culminated in the apse of the cathedral.
It is somewhat ironic that though they have not yet bothered to contact me about the impending shutoff they have cheerfully charged me for the month, today.
I am wondering how I am going to get out of being screwed for 2 service providers or if they plan to re-credit my accound for the unused portion of the month.
Is it a bad thing to want to control the environment?
the first article is about causing rain in coastal areas by "misting" the mountains. (obscure led zepplin reference)
the second is about a deluge which may or may not have been caused by rainmaking experiments
I would ask what the difference is between an attempt to cause climatic change (rain) that doesn't cost people downstream/downwind (like seeding clouds) and understanding and manipulating the genetic code of corn (round-up ready GMO corn)?
Offtopic? Man is the lord of the earth, it is our prerogative to use the earth and every living thing as we see fit. On the other hand we also have a duty to leave something for our grandchildren, eh?
everything is connected in ways we do not understand (chaos theory), so we must be exceptionally careful when we affect the climate.
1/x as x approaches zero from the positive is infinity
1/x as x approaches zero from the negative is negative infinity
hense the undefined, however x/y as both x and y approach zero can sometimes be evaluated to a real number! this of course depends on how they approach zero
I am using Chimera with popups blocked, I could not figure out what the big deal was about the page, I can see it just fine. I had to turn on Java and or Java Script to get refused. Am I a thief if I do not use these features?
So what is the difference between this and the rest of the culture of fear propagated by the mass media? The only real difference here is that science is the demon and not a black male with a gun.
Clearly you have the bells to challenge the BSA, so turn yourself in. Do this for the publicity and the possibility of filling your coffers in some sort of counter suit.
I don't think you will succeed, but I will read the story that chronicles your adventure.
good luck
ER
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Okay this is a pretty good proof of concept and it runs super slow. I looked over at my cpu usage though thinking it was hogging it like flash and cpu usage was almost non-existent. I would love to see this implemented well, but OTOH I would probably start running noscript to block ads eventually too.
I realize this comes down to an old discussion “what is art?” I want to point out a couple of flaws in Mr. Ebert's post but then also point out that there is not a clear and concise answer to my question nor to the challenges posed by Ebert.
“Let me just say that no video gamer now living will survive long enough to experience the medium as an art form.”
To this I disagree, and if I may point to Jason Rohrer’s Passage without getting poo flung at me for choosing something so obvious then I would also comment that this simple game plays like a poem, or like a short film. It uses the decision and direction of the player as part of the changing story that is told and can in fact be experienced many ways, though the end is essentially the same. However and this is key, one must play the game to experience it fully.
This is a fatal flaw in Ebert’s commentary, he is happy to judge games by a little video, maybe a snapshot and some commentary. He would never do this with a movie.
Does it make sense to judge George Melies' "A Voyage to the Moon" (1902) from a single image or a series of images? No, and in fact the proof that it is a work of art is in the exhibition and experience of the whole work.
Games are meant to be played. One cannot judge the quality of a game without playing it. Rather what kind of judgement can one make about a game without playing?
Ebert says, “No one in or out of the field has ever been able to cite a game worthy of comparison with the great poets, filmmakers, novelists and poets." This is wrong because I do believe that this assertion has been made. Ebert however will never be able to verify this, as he will never play these games. This is a man who has a great depth of knowledge in a field attempting to extend it and to argue about something of which he knows little or nothing.
Finally I want to comment about the idea of art because so many people are just getting this wrong. The definition of art has changed time and again and will likely continue to do so. The problem is that many people who want to say that something is (or more likely is not) art are just not experts. I am NOT saying that people should stfu or anything like that, but if a work is accepted by the community of artists, historians and museums then it IS art whether we like it or not. There is plenty of art I do not like, but that does not make it less art than the stuff I do like.
To that end WACO Resurrection is a work of art, it was made by artists (Eddo Stern, Peter Brinson, Brody Condon, Michael Wilson, Mark Allen, Jessica Hutchins) and has been exhibited at art venues
INSTALLATION HISTORY: Gamezone Festival, De Singal, Antwerpen, Brussels Slamdance Film Festival, Park City, Utah Ars Electronica, Linz, Austra Australian Center of the Moving Image(ACMI), Melbourne, Australia Grand Arts, Kansas City, MI Next Wave Festival, Melbourne, Australia Rotterdam Film Festival, Rotterdam, Netherlands Yerba Buena Center for the Arts, San Francisco, CA The Kitchen. New York, NY
and is accepted by the new media arts community and historians as a work of art. http://we-make-money-not-art.com/archives/2005/05/so-the-winners.php
If you do not like it that is your prerogative but you are being silly if you claim it is not art. It may not be a masterpiece, but it is by a young group of artists who show a great deal of promise, whose work may eventually fulfill the challenge laid out at the beginning of this post. But these people are artists and not game designers per se. Artists will make art.
Finally I want to say that I think the whole discussion “is this art” is a dead end. I hope to find the time to post again and talk about the influence of Marcel Duchamp on the
the replies are clever, but can what "important" theory is this?
As is pointed out in another post the article lists 900k posts per day, and you forgot two decimal places .001% is .00001*900k = 9 blog posts per day, which is actually a little low but right in the ballpark.
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I had a similar problem and sent the ITMS a pleasant email explaining my situation. I was unable to locate which of 6 machines had been authorized to play my iTunes Music before a massive re-install/upgrade.
The nice folks at the ITMS reset my account so that I just had to re-authorize my machines. I suppose it is possible that they no longer do this, but did you contact the ITMS, or did you just assume that you were screwed?
Reading the article also says:
'The point of the study was actually to eliminate the FUD about Linux's alleged legal problems by attaching a quantifiable measure versus the speculation,i he said. 'And the number we found, to anyone familiar with this issue, is so average as to be boring; almost any piece of software potentially infringes at least that many patents.'
Assuming Balmer's speechwriter actually read the study, why was the 'more than 228' number made up?
http://volokh.com/posts/1097514987.shtml/ has some interesting insights and questions on this.
has more information, they suspect it is related to the posting of pictures of undercover police officers. Oddly enough the officers were photographing protesters.
jabberstudio.org has a developer community and list that you might find useful as well.
Pointing your camera at the ground and pressing the shutter does not a piece of art make.
unless you happen to be minor white
Sure you get a bunch of photos, but can you really say that you, the photographer, were the one taking the random, haphazard pictures?
Seriously consider found art, Dada, postmodern art and other forms of high art and the answer is yes, btw did you bother to look at the pictures before ranting? I am a photographer and was taken by the composition and beauty of the pictures.
I hate when people demean art by claiming that their homespun crap is on par with the work of true artists.
It is impossible to demean art. I hate it when people think that art has to be made by a certain class of people to be art. And by homespun crap are you referring to folk art? If it was in a gallery you would call it art.
I'm looking right at you, Thomas Kinkade!
And poor Thomas Kinkade will go home and cry in his big pile of money.
If however that is the case then I will buy the whole album as artistic statement argument, otherwise it is about money.
I tried out some of the functionality I am use to, visualizer commands are the same, and performed well. The machine I am running it on is a bit old so I can forgive the low frame rate (like 10).
the un classification system is pretty much completely out of date. I believe the only term currently in use is 3rd world, and it often has a negative connotation.
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_World
Randy Bass at Georgetown http://www.georgetown.edu/faculty/bassr/ did several interesting investigations which used computers to improve learning in the classroom. I would recommend looking at his work. His work focuses more seriously on the scholarship of teaching and learning, but I think he managed to find some good lessons about dealing with new media in english classrooms.
I think you need to consider the question, "what exactly do you want to get out of this?" and you will have an easier time figuring out how computers will fit into the picture (if at all).
Others have mentioned wiki's and similar tools which create a wonderful collaborative environment, but may be less than useful if there is no real goal to their use.
Either way it is a mistake to just throw an english class into a computer lab without a definite goal.
So my teeth can still turn yellow, I can age prematurely, I can maintain my ashtray kiss and my wardrobe can still smell like a bar and I do not have to worry about being addicted? This is a leap forward in the sciences.
I was on a long distance train and the guy ahead of me made call after call after call in a loud voice. I started taking notes and later made a call to a friend where I talked about some new "story ideas" I had. I related about 90 minutes of the guys conversations in pretty good detail with some snyde comments about quality of life and shallowness of characters. He ended up making more calls, but moved to another seat to do so.
When reading the book The Cathedral and the Bazaar it occured to me that after the Cathedral was in operation it usually had a bazaar or market place outside the westwork. I questioned where this played into the metaphor (of construction). It is also interesting to note that the market place was the first liminal step towards the divinity culminated in the apse of the cathedral.
Why do so many of the points mention drug manufacturers? It is a crying shame we cannot do more to guarentee their profits.
I am wondering how I am going to get out of being screwed for 2 service providers or if they plan to re-credit my accound for the unused portion of the month.
maybe freenet or something that doesn't have access to decrypted information stored on it.
I've got it, p2p servers, pr0n, music, movies...
the first article is about causing rain in coastal areas by "misting" the mountains. (obscure led zepplin reference)
the second is about a deluge which may or may not have been caused by rainmaking experiments
I would ask what the difference is between an attempt to cause climatic change (rain) that doesn't cost people downstream/downwind (like seeding clouds) and understanding and manipulating the genetic code of corn (round-up ready GMO corn)?
Offtopic? Man is the lord of the earth, it is our prerogative to use the earth and every living thing as we see fit. On the other hand we also have a duty to leave something for our grandchildren, eh?
everything is connected in ways we do not understand (chaos theory), so we must be exceptionally careful when we affect the climate.
1/x as x approaches zero from the positive is infinity
1/x as x approaches zero from the negative is negative infinity
hense the undefined, however x/y as both x and y approach zero can sometimes be evaluated to a real number! this of course depends on how they approach zero
I am using Chimera with popups blocked, I could not figure out what the big deal was about the page, I can see it just fine. I had to turn on Java and or Java Script to get refused. Am I a thief if I do not use these features?
So what is the difference between this and the rest of the culture of fear propagated by the mass media? The only real difference here is that science is the demon and not a black male with a gun.
I don't think you will succeed, but I will read the story that chronicles your adventure. good luck ER