Decent and Decent 2 were revolutionary for their time, creating an experience so original (and nauseating)
Yes, nauseating. Almost all succesful FPS games of today are constrained to 2 dimensions of play. Sure you can jump, and fly in some games, but for the most part they are simplified to 2d.
Decent was an attempt at marrying legacy flight sims(falcon, wing commander, etc) and games like Wolfenstein. It was very confusing, and quite frankly it didn't work.
Imagine trying to explain to people that you need a PC because the Mac keyboard won't let you strafe down-backwards-left while rotating up-right and firing.
You still can't explain it to people...much less enjoy doing it in a game.
Counter-strike, TFC, Doom, Tribes, Everquest, all of these are popular because they appeal to our nature. Plane contsrained first person perspective is natural and engrossing. If we were a species of fish, or birds instead of homo-sapiens...maybe decent would be more popular(and thus more copied) than it was. But we are for the most part 2-demensional beings, and we like our games that way too.
We are running six Half-Life (HL) servers with Counter-Strike and Natural Selection Mods and have found that Cheating death is the best viable solution.
I'm a veteran CS cheater. My favorites were the old speed cheats, and the 'complete' aim-bot, auto-kill cheats that allow you to kill sometimes 15 to 20 people in 1 match.
I was shameless, and loved joining 32player servers just to rape everyone on the server until they left in disgust.
Now you proobably won't see that in a CD or PB server, but most servers are public and people play very casually...usually searching for thier favoriate map as opposed to thier favorite server.
Now I had a very good (6 months?) of whoreage before I was finally busted for good, there is some kind of network which is reported to by admins that regulates WON IDs for all players. If a particular WON ID gets many consecutive complaints...as surely mine did because I cheated like an SOB...then that person's WON ID can be blocked.
My WON ID was blocked for 6 months...that was it...I couldn't play any more CS for 6 months. Let me tell you it was very effective, and I stopped cheating as a result of that experience.(Well...stopped cheating at CS anyhow;) )
Do NOT read that code if you ever wish to program for an open source OS, ever. Doing so will make you tainted- you open the project up to allegations of copyright infringement
Look isn't it time we built an encrypted, untraceable P2P based infrastructure(like freenet) so we don't all piss our pants every time we hear the word lawyer?
Let's cut the "fair use" bullshit and get on with the program.
What ever you do, don't let the code influence your projects. The last thing we want is Microsoft joining in with SCO and accusing the open source community of using MS code in an open source project such as Linux. Sure you probably wouldn't want to with its reputation, but I am sure there would be those who would be tempted.
Look isn't it time we built an encrypted, untraceable P2P based infrastructure(like freenet) so we don't all piss our pants every time we hear the word lawyer?
Let's cut the "fair use" bullshit and get on with the program.
This is one of the coolest things I've ever read on Slashdot. I would love to see a revamped NT4, frankly it would be a great beginning point for the next best open-source operating system.
Linux has lots of useability issues, and still doesn't have any object-model framework...let's all drop the Linux stuff and start building anew!
Largely because I'm unemployed and broke. But it's interesting to note that I'm enjoying mudding just as much as I enjoyed playing a subscription MMORG.
I'm sure people will root for Doom and Warcraft in much the same way in 20 years, while not bothering much for the titles we (as in me and other old-time farts) care for so deeply, or, for that matter, for the new ultra-hyper-flashy game that we can't even conceive of today.
Right but I'm sure you still appreciate being able to find "Lawrence of Arabia" or "The Godfather" on the T.V. once in a while. Truly great films, and other artforms, are timeless. So the really great stuff should always be available.
You have a point about looking towards the future, but look what George Lucas did to the starwars films. He basically made a superior product inferior(Greedo shooting first, bleh), and then made it very difficult to purchase/rent the original 3. That's probably the worst abuse of what you're advocating, but it's not that uncommon either. Clearly society does not benefit.
Yep, this is the problem. The more popular the past becomes, the more the video game makers percieve that they are losing money by not defending thier intellectual property. As usual it's a lose-lose situation.
Great games, like Meier's Civilization, should ultimately be preserved as a cultural object. Great novelists get to make thier millions by selling in volume the first few years, but after society has deamed a particular book "worth reading" it becomes public property. I.e. you can find these best-sellers in the library.
The internet should be our library, abandonware sites should be allowed to exist under the law. The problem, as usual, is that we "geeks" are almost ignored by politicians and lawmakers. It'd be interesting to see a future article describing why that's the case...but who really knows the answer?
Anyway please stand up, and say what needs to be said...or your abandonware could become "illegal contraband" instead of treasured public property.
I realize Freenet is the best we have so far, and it will delay things, but if the fascists in the government, RIAA and MPAA have their way, it won't be free. Do not become complacent because of Freenet, and assume that everything is safe.
We are living in a police state. It's time to start coming up with alternative defenses in the event of internet martial law, such as pirate radio, Fidonet and BBSes, etc.
Well written post, and I'm sorry you had to post it anonymously.
Hopefully wireless 802.X-grid networks will take off in conjunction with the next gen P2P software. Those are two technologies that were meant to be together.
The most stubborn are the American Suburban people. Wake up in shitty generic apartment. Commute to work in car. Work in cubicle. Commute home. Go buy useless, generic shit to put in shitter generic apartment. Sleep. That's fucking pathetic.
JACK There's always that. I don't know, it's just...when you buy furniture, you tell yourself: that's it, that's the last sofa I'm gonna need. No matter what else happens, I've got that sofa problem handled. I had it all. I had a stereo that was very decent, a wardrobe that was getting very respectable. I was so close to being complete.
TYLER Shit, man, now it's all gone.
JACK All gone.
TYLER Do you know what a duvet it?
JACK Comforter.
TYLER It's a blanket, just a blanket. Now why guys like you and I know what a duvet is? Is this essential to our survival? In the hunter-gathered sense of the word? No. What are we then?
JACK You know, consumers.
TYLER Right. We're consumers. We're by-products of a lifestyle obsession. Murder, crime, poverty -- these things don't concern me. What concerns me is celebrity magazines, television with five hundred channels, some guy's name on my underwear. Rogaine, Viagra, Olestra.
JACK Martha Stewart.
TYLER Fuck Martha Stewart. Martha's polishes on the brass of the Titanic. It's all going down, man! So fuck off, with your sofa units and your green stripe patterns. I say never be complete. I say stop being perfect. I say let's evolve and let the chips fall where they may. But that's me, I could be wrong, maybe it's a terrible tragedy.
JACK No, it's just stuff.
TYLER Well, you did lose a lot of versatile solutions for a modern life.
Then why do over 6 billion people still play it then? I'm not implying anything, but given the choice of staying in this not very fun game or ending it, the vast majority of people would say that they still want to stay.
To be, or not to be? that is the question.-- Whether 'tis nobler in the mind, to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune; Or to take arms against a sea of troubles, And by opposing end them?--To die,--to sleep-- No more; and by a sleep, to say, we end The heart-ache, and the thousand natural shocks That flesh is heir to; 'tis a consummation Devoutly to be wish'd. To die----to sleep---- To sleep? perchance, to dream. Ay, there's the rub; For in that sleep of Death what dreams may come, When we have shuffled off this mortal coil, Must give us pause. There's the respect, That makes Calamity of so long life. For who would bear the whips and scorns of time, Th' oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely, The pang of despis'd love, the law's delay, The insolence of office, and the spurns That patient merit of th' unworthy takes; When he himself might his Quietus make With a bare bodkin? Who would fardles bear, To groan and sweat under a weary life, But that the dread of something after death, That undiscover'd country, from whose bourne No traveller returns, puzzles the will; And makes us rather bear those ills we have, Than fly to others that we know not of? Thus conscience doth make cowards of us all.
You have to give him credit. At least someone out there is actually trying to make p2p legit
P2P is, has, was, and always will be legit. It doesn't need support, approval, or acknoledgment.
If we insist on clinging to greed, laziness, and possession as a way of life....there's no reason to question building tools which vastly fascilitate theivery.
The RIAA has been stealing millions a year while defending a fascade of legitimate service. In fact, this is what capitalism has become in this country. When companies like Microsoft are hailed as success stories, there's no reason to claim otherwise.
So screw all of you because whether you like it or not, all your base are belong to P2P. Time to fucking grow up.
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Yep, this is why we need a workable implementation of freenet. Something as easy to use as napster was, and as safe as freenet is.
Decent and Decent 2 were revolutionary for their time, creating an experience so original (and nauseating)
Yes, nauseating. Almost all succesful FPS games of today are constrained to 2 dimensions of play. Sure you can jump, and fly in some games, but for the most part they are simplified to 2d.
Decent was an attempt at marrying legacy flight sims(falcon, wing commander, etc) and games like Wolfenstein. It was very confusing, and quite frankly it didn't work.
Imagine trying to explain to people that you need a PC because the Mac keyboard won't let you strafe down-backwards-left while rotating up-right and firing.
You still can't explain it to people...much less enjoy doing it in a game.
Counter-strike, TFC, Doom, Tribes, Everquest, all of these are popular because they appeal to our nature. Plane contsrained first person perspective is natural and engrossing. If we were a species of fish, or birds instead of homo-sapiens...maybe decent would be more popular(and thus more copied) than it was. But we are for the most part 2-demensional beings, and we like our games that way too.
But, again, for people with no prior computing experience it wins hands down.
Which is also why for our parents, friends, and children Linux still sucks.
If want bad movies look for Battlefield Earth, or Howard the duck.
Say what you want about HtD, but this guy's (Jeffrey Jones)performance is so good, it's almost worth watching the movie just to see it. Hilarious.
I question the accuracy of the list.
Yep, Autoduel was also available for the PC. Here's another list .
Some Origin oldies but goodies.
We are running six Half-Life (HL) servers with Counter-Strike and Natural Selection Mods and have found that Cheating death is the best viable solution.
;) )
I'm a veteran CS cheater. My favorites were the old speed cheats, and the 'complete' aim-bot, auto-kill cheats that allow you to kill sometimes 15 to 20 people in 1 match.
I was shameless, and loved joining 32player servers just to rape everyone on the server until they left in disgust.
Now you proobably won't see that in a CD or PB server, but most servers are public and people play very casually...usually searching for thier favoriate map as opposed to thier favorite server.
Now I had a very good (6 months?) of whoreage before I was finally busted for good, there is some kind of network which is reported to by admins that regulates WON IDs for all players. If a particular WON ID gets many consecutive complaints...as surely mine did because I cheated like an SOB...then that person's WON ID can be blocked.
My WON ID was blocked for 6 months...that was it...I couldn't play any more CS for 6 months. Let me tell you it was very effective, and I stopped cheating as a result of that experience.(Well...stopped cheating at CS anyhow
Do NOT read that code if you ever wish to program for an open source OS, ever. Doing so will make you tainted- you open the project up to allegations of copyright infringement
Look isn't it time we built an encrypted, untraceable P2P based infrastructure(like freenet) so we don't all piss our pants every time we hear the word lawyer?
Let's cut the "fair use" bullshit and get on with the program.
What ever you do, don't let the code influence your projects. The last thing we want is Microsoft joining in with SCO and accusing the open source community of using MS code in an open source project such as Linux. Sure you probably wouldn't want to with its reputation, but I am sure there would be those who would be tempted.
Look isn't it time we built an encrypted, untraceable P2P based infrastructure(like freenet) so we don't all piss our pants every time we hear the word lawyer?
Let's cut the "fair use" bullshit and get on with the program.
This is one of the coolest things I've ever read on Slashdot. I would love to see a revamped NT4, frankly it would be a great beginning point for the next best open-source operating system.
Linux has lots of useability issues, and still doesn't have any object-model framework...let's all drop the Linux stuff and start building anew!
1) Congress is peopled by 85% to 90% lawyers.
2) How many computer scientists turned lawyers do you know?
3)...
4) 0 and 1 are patented.
the original trilogy i'll buy. that's all.
Uh huh, including Greedo shooting first and Jabba looking like a cutesy CG toy?
The original original trilogy I'll buy. That's all.
Yep, I switched from EQ to mudding also.
Largely because I'm unemployed and broke. But it's interesting to note that I'm enjoying mudding just as much as I enjoyed playing a subscription MMORG.
Two words:
Principia Mathematica.
There has never been a more significant scientific publication.
If you published something that important, you could find an appointment just about anywhere...even if you were purple and lived off of pop-rocks.
OSX is everthing linux should have been by now.
Unfortunately, there isn't anything even remotely as advanced/intuitive/usable as OS X available for Linux.
In short, the greatest Linux nuisance is that it isn't OSX. And OSX isn't free...
I'm sure people will root for Doom and Warcraft in much the same way in 20 years, while not bothering much for the titles we (as in me and other old-time farts) care for so deeply, or, for that matter, for the new ultra-hyper-flashy game that we can't even conceive of today.
Right but I'm sure you still appreciate being able to find "Lawrence of Arabia" or "The Godfather" on the T.V. once in a while. Truly great films, and other artforms, are timeless. So the really great stuff should always be available.
You have a point about looking towards the future, but look what George Lucas did to the starwars films. He basically made a superior product inferior(Greedo shooting first, bleh), and then made it very difficult to purchase/rent the original 3. That's probably the worst abuse of what you're advocating, but it's not that uncommon either. Clearly society does not benefit.
While not quite legal...
Yep, this is the problem. The more popular the past becomes, the more the video game makers percieve that they are losing money by not defending thier intellectual property. As usual it's a lose-lose situation.
Great games, like Meier's Civilization, should ultimately be preserved as a cultural object. Great novelists get to make thier millions by selling in volume the first few years, but after society has deamed a particular book "worth reading" it becomes public property. I.e. you can find these best-sellers in the library.
The internet should be our library, abandonware sites should be allowed to exist under the law. The problem, as usual, is that we "geeks" are almost ignored by politicians and lawmakers. It'd be interesting to see a future article describing why that's the case...but who really knows the answer?
Anyway please stand up, and say what needs to be said...or your abandonware could become "illegal contraband" instead of treasured public property.
I realize Freenet is the best we have so far, and it will delay things, but if the fascists in the government, RIAA and MPAA have their way, it won't be free. Do not become complacent because of Freenet, and assume that everything is safe.
We are living in a police state. It's time to start coming up with alternative defenses in the event of internet martial law, such as pirate radio, Fidonet and BBSes, etc.
Well written post, and I'm sorry you had to post it anonymously.
Hopefully wireless 802.X-grid networks will take off in conjunction with the next gen P2P software. Those are two technologies that were meant to be together.
Ogg Vorbis is also known as its higher quality, higher compression ratio compared to MP3, current standard of the compression music format
Ya, but too bad it sounds so retarded to say. Noone will adopt it because it's ugly. Facts a fact.
How come everytime I go to use the fucking shower, our house guest is in there?
Answer
2nd that.
The most stubborn are the American Suburban people. Wake up in shitty generic apartment. Commute to work in car. Work in cubicle. Commute home. Go buy useless, generic shit to put in shitter generic apartment. Sleep. That's fucking pathetic.
JACK
There's always that. I don't know, it's just...when you buy furniture, you tell yourself: that's it, that's the last sofa I'm gonna need. No matter what else happens, I've got that sofa problem handled. I had it all. I had a stereo that was very decent, a wardrobe that was getting very respectable. I was so close to being complete.
TYLER
Shit, man, now it's all gone.
JACK
All gone.
TYLER
Do you know what a duvet it?
JACK
Comforter.
TYLER
It's a blanket, just a blanket. Now why guys like you and I know what a duvet is? Is this essential to our survival? In the hunter-gathered sense of the word? No. What are we then?
JACK
You know, consumers.
TYLER
Right. We're consumers. We're by-products of a lifestyle obsession. Murder, crime, poverty -- these things don't concern me. What concerns me is celebrity magazines, television with five hundred channels, some guy's name on my underwear. Rogaine, Viagra, Olestra.
JACK
Martha Stewart.
TYLER
Fuck Martha Stewart. Martha's polishes on the brass of the Titanic. It's all going down, man! So fuck off, with your sofa units and your green stripe patterns. I say never be complete. I say stop being perfect. I say let's evolve and let the chips fall where they may. But that's me, I could be wrong, maybe it's a terrible tragedy.
JACK
No, it's just stuff.
TYLER
Well, you did lose a lot of versatile solutions for a modern life.
JACK
Fuck, you're right.
Then why do over 6 billion people still play it then? I'm not implying anything, but given the choice of staying in this not very fun game or ending it, the vast majority of people would say that they still want to stay.
To be, or not to be? that is the question.--
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind, to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune;
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?--To die,--to sleep--
No more; and by a sleep, to say, we end
The heart-ache, and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to; 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To die----to sleep----
To sleep? perchance, to dream. Ay, there's the rub;
For in that sleep of Death what dreams may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause. There's the respect,
That makes Calamity of so long life.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
Th' oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pang of despis'd love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of th' unworthy takes;
When he himself might his Quietus make
With a bare bodkin? Who would fardles bear,
To groan and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
That undiscover'd country, from whose bourne
No traveller returns, puzzles the will;
And makes us rather bear those ills we have,
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience doth make cowards of us all.
You have to give him credit. At least someone out there is actually trying to make p2p legit
P2P is, has, was, and always will be legit. It doesn't need support, approval, or acknoledgment.
If we insist on clinging to greed, laziness, and possession as a way of life....there's no reason to question building tools which vastly fascilitate theivery.
The RIAA has been stealing millions a year while defending a fascade of legitimate service. In fact, this is what capitalism has become in this country. When companies like Microsoft are hailed as success stories, there's no reason to claim otherwise.
So screw all of you because whether you like it or not, all your base are belong to P2P. Time to fucking grow up.
Maybe if they kept the theme music and threw every other "classic" element away...
Funny post, but please refer to the above poster's comment as to why the originals were better.