You are confusing people on Slashdot with "knowledgeable" people. Just because everyone on here is going to buy a Wii and hates Sony...doesn't make it a reality for the rest of the world.
I used to be with you and think people were too hard on Zonk. I think his reviews are fine and such. But, after reading the comments he makes on PS3 vs other consoles...it is clear he is biased. I don't mind seeing 99 out of 100 negative ps3 articles...it's his petty little comments that get to you after awhile.
Yes, well, the playstation named their console "3". I think you put a little too much thought in this. 360 sounds fine to me compared to Wii...which I really think has nothing to do with it's wireless capabilities.
Did you even RTFA? He mentions that he was an officer in a good guild. This was relevant since it allowed him to get involved with all of the players in his guild and actually encourage them to waste more time in WoW rather than deal with their problems. I think you are the person with the real problem...at least with reading comprehension. He knows he wasted time. He lost his gf, he gained weight, and he regrets that he did it. How is that romanticizing it? How is he still living in an imaginary world if he quit? Seriously, stop being so judgemental. I am sure there are plenty of things in your life that people would look down on you for if you put it up on a blog for all to see.
You do know that it goes both ways. He could have just as easily blown you away. In this case, both people are alive. That speaks more for gun control than against it.
You are acting as if you are forced to do all of these things. That just because there was an exclusive character on each version of the console you would have to buy all three. I don't want to be mean...but that sounds a tad bit crazy to me. So you don't have access to two characters...oooooh, big deal. It isn't going to significantly change the game.
Your rant is just silly. Blu-Ray is a gamble by Sony that they hope will pay off. You don't have to buy the console. There are other consoles already out that will be cheaper. You don't need to own every game on every console. WoW adds a lot of content periodically and they need to be reimbursed for it. You give one example of a game that has a different model...then play that game. If you want to miss out on WoW, that's your choice. Millions of people don't care what you think and will happily play a good MMORPG. You are the person who decided to buy multiple copies of the game. Are you some sort of sheep unable to control yourself when a new version of a game you like comes out?
If you don't like it, don't buy games. It seems like you lack self control when it comes to your purchasing.
Uhh, I would hope you are the only one to think it was insane. Listen, if you want to have the most access to games, you run Windows. Dual-booting isn't a big deal and you can probably find a friend to "lend" you a copy. I admire that you haven't gone down that route and actually buy your products, though. But what you are complaining about is about like complaining that you can't stick your PSP discs in a DS. If you want PSP games, get a PSP. If you want DS games, get a DS.
Can these things be ported to Linux? Sure. But the cost of it generally won't cover the increase in sales. Stop being disappointed and surprised this. If you want a gaming platform, get a copy of Windows.
Then why is Apple using it? Your OS is as secure or insecure as you make it. If Apple knows what they are doing, why weren't they more secure? They are just trying to spin it. Just like Republicans trying to spin Foley's attraction to pages as something the Democrats kept secret to release during election time....only people with heavy bias will fall for it. If you make a mistake, admit it and do what you can to rectify the situation.
First, how is this relevant? The article has nothing to do with the Wii. Second, you could easily argue that the Wii is the only console that isn't next gen. Both the 360 and the PS3 can make their own controllers that do something similar to the Wii...but the Wii won't ever have any more horsepower. Really, all you are is offtopic and flamebait. All the consoles are "next-gen". The moderators are on crack this morning.
To make this on topic...this is about games that won't be released this iteration on the 360 and SCREENSHOTS of games for a console that isn't out yet. How can we contain our excitement?
Not really, the handheld market and the console market are very different critters. This article was talking about revenue growth...consoles are sold at a loss (well, the 360 is, not Nintendo consoles) in hopes to make profit off of games and peripherals. The DS is not sold at a loss. So using the original poster's logic I could have said that Nintendo should fire all the people working on consoles and put the people who do the DS in charge. It's just been a good year for that handheld.
I don't think I was defending consoles; I was countering a stupid statement. I play games on the PC, on all 3 previous gen consoles, and handheld (DS Phat). I really don't care what platform a game is on. So sorry, no, you just made an incorrect assumption about me. It's pretty clear you didn't RTFA either...or you failed to understand what you were reading.
I don't really know if anyone other than my girl friend would want to play the games I come up with in my bedroom. It is generally designed for 1-2 players (theoretically it could be more, but that might destroy multiplayer in general, making it single player for awhile). The best part is, everyone wins and you get some good exercise in as well.
Stupid comparison. MS isn't even in the handheld market...which has always been dominated by Nintendo. On top of that, you are telling them to play a game developed for the PS2. Besides, a console can't be "more fun" than another...that is soley dependant on the games. Additionally, the DS is by far cheaper...much easier to sell to parents who want to keep their kids quiet.
I'd be more impressed if you saw droves of mom's in the real world using it rather than marketing. I got my girl friend in to Nintendogs...but I really don't know any moms out there that are in to it. The primary market is still going to be kids and traditional gamers. A DS is no more hardcore or casual than a PSP...it's the games that make it that way. DS does have more casual games, no argument there, but people don't really understand the distinction. I really don't see Nintendo pulling in that many new gamers. It's just a new platform that does something other handhelds don't. The market has grown because all the gamers has rushed out to buy them. Mom's are still an untapped market...but any good mother would be spending their time parenting rather than playing handheld games (that sounds harsh, but parents really do have less time to do personal gaming then single people).
What is ironic about your comment is that you spell Sony and MS with $ signs. But then you go on to say that Nintendo is making more profit off of their consoles. It is unfortunate that Nintendo has no s's in it...but it sounds like Nintendo is being more greedy than the other two companies. I don't really understand why Nintendo fanboys brag about how Nintendo made more profit than Sony and MS. The other consoles are sold at a loss that will slowly change to break even and then a slight profit by the end of their life cycle. It sounds like Nintendo is ripping you off (despite being cheaper).
What prevents Sony from making a Sony Online Store card that are worth different dollar amounts (i.e. $10, $20, $50, etc)? Nothing. You really don't have a point. A points system is just used to make you spend more money. People tend to be more willing to part with points than they are with dollars. It is dumb, since it is easy to figure out, but human psychology just works that way. Sony is doing something less evil than XBOX and Nintendo...yet you would still defend Nintendo's practice as better. Kind of the definition of fan boy. Ultimately, it isn't a big deal either way. But you Wiitards (you lemmings that would gladly follow Nintendo over a cliff) need to relax. Nintendo is just as evil as any other console maker. They want all your money too.
Uhh, I will bitch about everyone who does it. If you were pirating games that only had obtrusive software, fine. But you aren't...you are just justifying it. Sure, the people who don't buy it are worse (and are the majority) but all you have is stupid justifications. You prefer to pretend you are liberators, protecting society by pirating games. Give me a break. Like I said, when they make it malware, it is bad. When it is reasonable, it's fine. Obviously reading isn't your strong point. Just spouting off Slashdot group-think wins the mod points.
Why don't you get a team of people to work together extremely hard and release your software with no protection? See how well that does. Your motives are purely selfish. There are other ways of finding quality games without pirating...you just have talked yourself in to believing what you are doing is right. And you surround yourself with people who agree with you. Pathetic. Despite the groupthink on here...I really expect more sanity from the moderation.
I believe it is just article spin as Slashdot is heavily biased. The OP just spun it to the next level. It's pretty clear to any rational person that they both can update and add features/fix bugs. I guess I don't really have a bias when it comes to consoles. I have all three in my house and have enjoyed all of them. I never buy the first rev of something and always wait for a price drop. I think it is just how irrational the majority of people act on here about Nintendo that forces me to reply. They are just being stupid consumers when they state: "I'm getting the Wii and buying one for my sister and parents. Wii's for everyone!". And then in the next breath say they can't afford to buy a PS3. Then how can you buy 6 Wii's? In any case, I am looking forward to the competition. I really feel if it wasn't for Sony and MS, Nintendo would have never come up with their cool new controllers and would have ignored putting their console online. Hell, we'd probably still be playing games on cartridges. But now Nintendo has turned things around on them. It will be fun to see how it all turns out!
The typical Slashdot response to one of these articles is that they pirated the game, found they liked it, and then shelled out money for the game. They justify this by being screwed over by some terrible game in the past, having limited gaming funds, or preferring the copy protection free software. That's fine if it gives you a warm, happy feeling, but you are still breaking the law and there are plenty of ways to avoid this. Find a game reviewer that you trust, and select your games based on their opinions. Or if a developer puts out quality games, stick with that developer. But let's be realistic, people are always going to pirate, and they are always going to come up with some dumb justification for it.
The thing is, if no one pirated games, then the overly restrictive copy protection would not exist. Now they add copy protection. Copy protection would not be so horrible if they just did what they were intended to do: make it difficult for others to copy and distribute their games to others. Unfortunately, we have copy protection that infects our system causing it to slow down the game, the system, and sometimes even make parts of it fail to function. All that copy protection does is cause more people to go down the pirate route.
Ok, so this next part is important for the game companies: THERE IS NO COPY PROTECTION, NOR WILL THERE EVER BE, THAT CAN STOP PIRACY. They will always be able to crack it or find a way to get the source. They will then distribute it. I am going to say something that won't be popular to Slashdotters now: copy protection is necessary. Because people will always justify their piracy, they need to make it hard enough so a casual user is unable to take their discs and stick it online. They do not need to license some expensive, over-bearing copy protection that install drivers or root kits. Just something cheap that prevent a casual user from doing it. Why do I suggest this? 1) If you put no protection on it, you are guaranteed to sell less units 2) It's going to be pirated anyways, so spending money on licensing expensive copy protection is pointless 3) A simple scheme will make it hard enough so that Joe User will have to go buy it, but unobtrusive so that it will not turn people off from the game.
But really, not much will change as long as we don't prosecute the pirates. The Internet is still very much the Wild West...anything goes. Until authorities actually go after people pirating software (and I am betting in 10 years, cyber crimes will account for the majority of fines and penalties), people are going to do it. Using what I stated above is the best "in the middle" approach that I can think of.
Challenge accepted. This will only be used by people who actually care about their weight. These are the people who would be hitting the gym, playing sports, or doing some form of cardio activity outdoors. Geeks don't care about exercise. They are going to get thier caffinated soda and doughnuts and plop down in front of their monitor. Geeks would get more out of figuring out how to bypass the device to make the computer think it is pedaling rather than actually work out.
To combat obesity we have to combat our culture. We need to keep gym class in the schools so kids get and learn the value of regular exercise. We need to integrate activity in to our work scheduled; employers should have on-site excercise equipment and encourage work out breaks rather than coffee breaks. We need to combat retaurants and their gigantic serving sizes. We don't need to go so far as the past where we idolize overly thin people (to the point of encouraging eating disorders). But we need to encourage healthy weights before obesity related diseases become our number one killers.
I used to joke around that I should rig something like this up. But that's just it...this is a joke. If you want to stay in shape, that get away from you computer and do it. I don't want to go to work and see everyone literally sweating over their keyboards. Geeks already have a BO stereotype...let's not make it worse!
Uhh, I am sure both Sony and Nintendo have this ability to release feature updates and fix bugs. There were some OS issues with some PS3s that were on display, so it is logical that they presented this ability in that context. Or are you saying Nintendo is implying that it won't fix bugs? You fanboys make no sense.
No, the point of consoles was that they were cheaper than PCs and easier to develop for because you only had one set of hardware specs. Consoles are becoming more complicated...integrating browsers and online content. Since the OS has become more complicated, there are bound to be bugs and feature add-ons in the future. As far as just playing single player games, it shouldn't be an issue. If any game has a problem with an OS, they would just roll out a patch with the game.
No no no no no no. The Wii will not have HD support. The Wii is betting that HD won't be important this generation just like they bet that Internet gaming would not be important on the gamecube. If and when HD has become common place, they will integrate it with their next console. Having an upgraded version of your console mid generation is just a way to piss a lot of your consumers off. So I buy a Wii now...they come up with this a year or two later? Am I supposed to buy the thing again? Next console that comes out, I won't buy it and just wait for their updated release that has everying integrated it should have had in the first place. If they do anything HD, it won't be until their next gen unit. If it turns out to be a mistake for Nintendo, then they will live with it. They seem to always be behind the times (examples being using a disc format and integrating the Internet). They let the other companies innovate (it isn't really innovation, more evolution). Now they use a disc format and have Internet integration. At least now they have a new controller that (if done well) looks like it could pay off for them.
(and yes, I hate that there are different console versions of Sony and MS)
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You are confusing people on Slashdot with "knowledgeable" people. Just because everyone on here is going to buy a Wii and hates Sony...doesn't make it a reality for the rest of the world.
I used to be with you and think people were too hard on Zonk. I think his reviews are fine and such. But, after reading the comments he makes on PS3 vs other consoles...it is clear he is biased. I don't mind seeing 99 out of 100 negative ps3 articles...it's his petty little comments that get to you after awhile.
Yes, well, the playstation named their console "3". I think you put a little too much thought in this. 360 sounds fine to me compared to Wii...which I really think has nothing to do with it's wireless capabilities.
as it stands now, the XBOX 360 is 100% exclusive titles :P (minus ports of previous gen games of course)
There is a console named the "Wii" running around out there and you stop to consider 360. Crazy!
Did you even RTFA? He mentions that he was an officer in a good guild. This was relevant since it allowed him to get involved with all of the players in his guild and actually encourage them to waste more time in WoW rather than deal with their problems. I think you are the person with the real problem...at least with reading comprehension. He knows he wasted time. He lost his gf, he gained weight, and he regrets that he did it. How is that romanticizing it? How is he still living in an imaginary world if he quit? Seriously, stop being so judgemental. I am sure there are plenty of things in your life that people would look down on you for if you put it up on a blog for all to see.
You do know that it goes both ways. He could have just as easily blown you away. In this case, both people are alive. That speaks more for gun control than against it.
You are acting as if you are forced to do all of these things. That just because there was an exclusive character on each version of the console you would have to buy all three. I don't want to be mean...but that sounds a tad bit crazy to me. So you don't have access to two characters...oooooh, big deal. It isn't going to significantly change the game.
Your rant is just silly. Blu-Ray is a gamble by Sony that they hope will pay off. You don't have to buy the console. There are other consoles already out that will be cheaper. You don't need to own every game on every console. WoW adds a lot of content periodically and they need to be reimbursed for it. You give one example of a game that has a different model...then play that game. If you want to miss out on WoW, that's your choice. Millions of people don't care what you think and will happily play a good MMORPG. You are the person who decided to buy multiple copies of the game. Are you some sort of sheep unable to control yourself when a new version of a game you like comes out?
If you don't like it, don't buy games. It seems like you lack self control when it comes to your purchasing.
Uhh, I would hope you are the only one to think it was insane. Listen, if you want to have the most access to games, you run Windows. Dual-booting isn't a big deal and you can probably find a friend to "lend" you a copy. I admire that you haven't gone down that route and actually buy your products, though. But what you are complaining about is about like complaining that you can't stick your PSP discs in a DS. If you want PSP games, get a PSP. If you want DS games, get a DS.
Can these things be ported to Linux? Sure. But the cost of it generally won't cover the increase in sales. Stop being disappointed and surprised this. If you want a gaming platform, get a copy of Windows.
Then why is Apple using it? Your OS is as secure or insecure as you make it. If Apple knows what they are doing, why weren't they more secure? They are just trying to spin it. Just like Republicans trying to spin Foley's attraction to pages as something the Democrats kept secret to release during election time....only people with heavy bias will fall for it. If you make a mistake, admit it and do what you can to rectify the situation.
First, how is this relevant? The article has nothing to do with the Wii. Second, you could easily argue that the Wii is the only console that isn't next gen. Both the 360 and the PS3 can make their own controllers that do something similar to the Wii...but the Wii won't ever have any more horsepower. Really, all you are is offtopic and flamebait. All the consoles are "next-gen". The moderators are on crack this morning.
To make this on topic...this is about games that won't be released this iteration on the 360 and SCREENSHOTS of games for a console that isn't out yet. How can we contain our excitement?
Not really, the handheld market and the console market are very different critters. This article was talking about revenue growth...consoles are sold at a loss (well, the 360 is, not Nintendo consoles) in hopes to make profit off of games and peripherals. The DS is not sold at a loss. So using the original poster's logic I could have said that Nintendo should fire all the people working on consoles and put the people who do the DS in charge. It's just been a good year for that handheld.
I don't think I was defending consoles; I was countering a stupid statement. I play games on the PC, on all 3 previous gen consoles, and handheld (DS Phat). I really don't care what platform a game is on. So sorry, no, you just made an incorrect assumption about me. It's pretty clear you didn't RTFA either...or you failed to understand what you were reading.
I don't really know if anyone other than my girl friend would want to play the games I come up with in my bedroom. It is generally designed for 1-2 players (theoretically it could be more, but that might destroy multiplayer in general, making it single player for awhile). The best part is, everyone wins and you get some good exercise in as well.
Stupid comparison. MS isn't even in the handheld market...which has always been dominated by Nintendo. On top of that, you are telling them to play a game developed for the PS2. Besides, a console can't be "more fun" than another...that is soley dependant on the games. Additionally, the DS is by far cheaper...much easier to sell to parents who want to keep their kids quiet.
I'd be more impressed if you saw droves of mom's in the real world using it rather than marketing. I got my girl friend in to Nintendogs...but I really don't know any moms out there that are in to it. The primary market is still going to be kids and traditional gamers. A DS is no more hardcore or casual than a PSP...it's the games that make it that way. DS does have more casual games, no argument there, but people don't really understand the distinction. I really don't see Nintendo pulling in that many new gamers. It's just a new platform that does something other handhelds don't. The market has grown because all the gamers has rushed out to buy them. Mom's are still an untapped market...but any good mother would be spending their time parenting rather than playing handheld games (that sounds harsh, but parents really do have less time to do personal gaming then single people).
What is ironic about your comment is that you spell Sony and MS with $ signs. But then you go on to say that Nintendo is making more profit off of their consoles. It is unfortunate that Nintendo has no s's in it...but it sounds like Nintendo is being more greedy than the other two companies. I don't really understand why Nintendo fanboys brag about how Nintendo made more profit than Sony and MS. The other consoles are sold at a loss that will slowly change to break even and then a slight profit by the end of their life cycle. It sounds like Nintendo is ripping you off (despite being cheaper).
What prevents Sony from making a Sony Online Store card that are worth different dollar amounts (i.e. $10, $20, $50, etc)? Nothing. You really don't have a point. A points system is just used to make you spend more money. People tend to be more willing to part with points than they are with dollars. It is dumb, since it is easy to figure out, but human psychology just works that way. Sony is doing something less evil than XBOX and Nintendo...yet you would still defend Nintendo's practice as better. Kind of the definition of fan boy. Ultimately, it isn't a big deal either way. But you Wiitards (you lemmings that would gladly follow Nintendo over a cliff) need to relax. Nintendo is just as evil as any other console maker. They want all your money too.
Uhh, I will bitch about everyone who does it. If you were pirating games that only had obtrusive software, fine. But you aren't...you are just justifying it. Sure, the people who don't buy it are worse (and are the majority) but all you have is stupid justifications. You prefer to pretend you are liberators, protecting society by pirating games. Give me a break. Like I said, when they make it malware, it is bad. When it is reasonable, it's fine. Obviously reading isn't your strong point. Just spouting off Slashdot group-think wins the mod points.
Why don't you get a team of people to work together extremely hard and release your software with no protection? See how well that does. Your motives are purely selfish. There are other ways of finding quality games without pirating...you just have talked yourself in to believing what you are doing is right. And you surround yourself with people who agree with you. Pathetic. Despite the groupthink on here...I really expect more sanity from the moderation.
I believe it is just article spin as Slashdot is heavily biased. The OP just spun it to the next level. It's pretty clear to any rational person that they both can update and add features/fix bugs. I guess I don't really have a bias when it comes to consoles. I have all three in my house and have enjoyed all of them. I never buy the first rev of something and always wait for a price drop. I think it is just how irrational the majority of people act on here about Nintendo that forces me to reply. They are just being stupid consumers when they state: "I'm getting the Wii and buying one for my sister and parents. Wii's for everyone!". And then in the next breath say they can't afford to buy a PS3. Then how can you buy 6 Wii's? In any case, I am looking forward to the competition. I really feel if it wasn't for Sony and MS, Nintendo would have never come up with their cool new controllers and would have ignored putting their console online. Hell, we'd probably still be playing games on cartridges. But now Nintendo has turned things around on them. It will be fun to see how it all turns out!
The typical Slashdot response to one of these articles is that they pirated the game, found they liked it, and then shelled out money for the game. They justify this by being screwed over by some terrible game in the past, having limited gaming funds, or preferring the copy protection free software. That's fine if it gives you a warm, happy feeling, but you are still breaking the law and there are plenty of ways to avoid this. Find a game reviewer that you trust, and select your games based on their opinions. Or if a developer puts out quality games, stick with that developer. But let's be realistic, people are always going to pirate, and they are always going to come up with some dumb justification for it.
The thing is, if no one pirated games, then the overly restrictive copy protection would not exist. Now they add copy protection. Copy protection would not be so horrible if they just did what they were intended to do: make it difficult for others to copy and distribute their games to others. Unfortunately, we have copy protection that infects our system causing it to slow down the game, the system, and sometimes even make parts of it fail to function. All that copy protection does is cause more people to go down the pirate route.
Ok, so this next part is important for the game companies: THERE IS NO COPY PROTECTION, NOR WILL THERE EVER BE, THAT CAN STOP PIRACY. They will always be able to crack it or find a way to get the source. They will then distribute it. I am going to say something that won't be popular to Slashdotters now: copy protection is necessary. Because people will always justify their piracy, they need to make it hard enough so a casual user is unable to take their discs and stick it online. They do not need to license some expensive, over-bearing copy protection that install drivers or root kits. Just something cheap that prevent a casual user from doing it. Why do I suggest this? 1) If you put no protection on it, you are guaranteed to sell less units 2) It's going to be pirated anyways, so spending money on licensing expensive copy protection is pointless 3) A simple scheme will make it hard enough so that Joe User will have to go buy it, but unobtrusive so that it will not turn people off from the game.
But really, not much will change as long as we don't prosecute the pirates. The Internet is still very much the Wild West...anything goes. Until authorities actually go after people pirating software (and I am betting in 10 years, cyber crimes will account for the majority of fines and penalties), people are going to do it. Using what I stated above is the best "in the middle" approach that I can think of.
Challenge accepted. This will only be used by people who actually care about their weight. These are the people who would be hitting the gym, playing sports, or doing some form of cardio activity outdoors. Geeks don't care about exercise. They are going to get thier caffinated soda and doughnuts and plop down in front of their monitor. Geeks would get more out of figuring out how to bypass the device to make the computer think it is pedaling rather than actually work out.
To combat obesity we have to combat our culture. We need to keep gym class in the schools so kids get and learn the value of regular exercise. We need to integrate activity in to our work scheduled; employers should have on-site excercise equipment and encourage work out breaks rather than coffee breaks. We need to combat retaurants and their gigantic serving sizes. We don't need to go so far as the past where we idolize overly thin people (to the point of encouraging eating disorders). But we need to encourage healthy weights before obesity related diseases become our number one killers.
I used to joke around that I should rig something like this up. But that's just it...this is a joke. If you want to stay in shape, that get away from you computer and do it. I don't want to go to work and see everyone literally sweating over their keyboards. Geeks already have a BO stereotype...let's not make it worse!
Uhh, I am sure both Sony and Nintendo have this ability to release feature updates and fix bugs. There were some OS issues with some PS3s that were on display, so it is logical that they presented this ability in that context. Or are you saying Nintendo is implying that it won't fix bugs? You fanboys make no sense.
No, the point of consoles was that they were cheaper than PCs and easier to develop for because you only had one set of hardware specs. Consoles are becoming more complicated...integrating browsers and online content. Since the OS has become more complicated, there are bound to be bugs and feature add-ons in the future. As far as just playing single player games, it shouldn't be an issue. If any game has a problem with an OS, they would just roll out a patch with the game.
No no no no no no. The Wii will not have HD support. The Wii is betting that HD won't be important this generation just like they bet that Internet gaming would not be important on the gamecube. If and when HD has become common place, they will integrate it with their next console. Having an upgraded version of your console mid generation is just a way to piss a lot of your consumers off. So I buy a Wii now...they come up with this a year or two later? Am I supposed to buy the thing again? Next console that comes out, I won't buy it and just wait for their updated release that has everying integrated it should have had in the first place. If they do anything HD, it won't be until their next gen unit. If it turns out to be a mistake for Nintendo, then they will live with it. They seem to always be behind the times (examples being using a disc format and integrating the Internet). They let the other companies innovate (it isn't really innovation, more evolution). Now they use a disc format and have Internet integration. At least now they have a new controller that (if done well) looks like it could pay off for them.
(and yes, I hate that there are different console versions of Sony and MS)