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Britain's First "Web-Rage" Attack

brown-eyed slug writes "The BBC is reporting what is claimed to be Britain's first "web-rage" attack. A man drove seventy miles to assault his victim with a pick-axe handle after they exchanged insults in a Yahoo! chat room." From the article: "Det Cons Christopher Creagh, of the Metropolitan Police, said: 'This is the first instance of a web-rage attack.' Det Sgt Jean-Marc Bazzoni, of Essex Police, added the case demonstrates the importance of protecting one's identity on the internet. 'Mr Jones had posted pictures of his family on the web and had chatted to Gibbons on an audio link,' he said. 'It demonstrates how easily other users can put two and two together and also shows how children could also find themselves in danger.'"

399 comments

  1. In other news ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    no one here but us anonymous cowards ... oi.

    1. Re:In other news ... by nickos · · Score: 1, Informative

      Whoever modded that as offtopic didn't RTFA!

    2. Re:In other news ... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      All I have to say to this is: Go Buddy!

      To all you assholes out there hiding behind your supposed anonymity, heads up: I have a pickaxe and a shitload of Air Miles, and I'm not afraid to use em!

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    3. Re:In other news ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, that's it! I'm coming for YOU!!11!1@

    4. Re:In other news ... by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 1

      Britain's Prime Minister and Queen jointly speak out, urging Parliament to immediately ban pick-axe handles, cars, roads, and the web. Film at 11.

    5. Re:In other news ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey I just got here...any good Negro jokes yet?

      GWB

  2. That is why..... by suntac · · Score: 4, Funny

    That is why I do not give my home address here :-)...

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    Regards, Johan Louwers.
    1. Re:That is why..... by Billosaur · · Score: 4, Funny

      Think you're a smart guy, eh? Why I oughtta.... never mind... don't know where you live...

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    2. Re:That is why..... by Aim+Here · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just as well you don't, Mr Johan F D Louwers
      of 89 Newstraat,
      De Bildt
      NL 3732DJ

      You never know what kind of freaks and stalkers and lunatics are roaming the net these days...

    3. Re:That is why..... by The+MESMERIC · · Score: 1

      LOL
      /whois classic.
      on that note .. please don't /whois please please pleeeeeeease!

    4. Re:That is why..... by ettlz · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      on that note .. please don't /whois please please pleeeeeeease!
      Whois record for pleasepleaseplease.com.
    5. Re:That is why..... by diersing · · Score: 1

      Little do you know the Mr. Johan Louwers is the guy sleeping with suntac's wife, he simply registers the domain in his enemy's name and then talks big to the wrong crowd... sit back and let nature take it's course.

    6. Re:That is why..... by malzraa · · Score: 0

      Why you insolent... Give me your home address, or I'll KILL YOU!!!

    7. Re:That is why..... by udderly · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Four or five years ago, some clown on eBay ripped me off and I found him using only his first name and his eBay name, which meant a certain animal in French + a two-digit number, which I took to be his birth year. This year would have made him about 20 years old. I Googled the eBay name in English only sites and got a number of hits. On a discussion site, I found the same username with a university email address, which had a partial name. Interestingly enough, in the discussion group this guy used a certain phrase that, combined with his age, made me pretty sure that it was the same person. I Googled the university + partial name and got a few hits. One of them was the school newspaper and included a picture of the French Club with a listing of all of the names of the people in the photos.

      I imagine he was very surprised when I emailed him a picture of himself at his university email addresss and demanded my money. Needless to say, I got my money back.

    8. Re:That is why..... by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1, Funny

      Whoah. Stalk much? Too bad we cant mod "Gulp".
      It's creepy how easy it is to pierce Internet anonymity.

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    9. Re:That is why..... by NekoXP · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why is it creepy?

      You could do exactly the same thing using paper resources if you had the time and patience. There were plenty of stalkers around before the internet reared it's head. I don't think there are really any more these days, simply a greater proportion of them doing it faster.

    10. Re:That is why..... by The+MESMERIC · · Score: 1

      damn .. bye bye anonymity :(

    11. Re:That is why..... by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      I imagine he was very surprised when I emailed him a picture of himself at his university email addresss and demanded my money. Needless to say, I got my money back.
      Isn't this bordering on demanding with menaces?
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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    12. Re:That is why..... by rvw · · Score: 2, Funny

      No! That's mine!!!

    13. Re:That is why..... by udderly · · Score: 1

      Isn't this bordering on demanding with menaces?

      I've never heard that term before (though a quick Google search reveals that there is indeed such as thing), is it a US law? Either way, since this clown would have been facing mail/wire fraud charges, I don't think that he was in any position to call law enforcement. In the US, mail/wire fraud is a federal beef with possible huge jail terms.

    14. Re:That is why..... by plopez · · Score: 2, Interesting

      only if he threaten to harm him. if he threatened to send a lawyer or collection agency or the police after him then no.

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    15. Re:That is why..... by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 1

      It's not that any of us personaly would go to that adress. But I suppose it would be funny to send over some male prostitudes, the big hairy muscular variety.

    16. Re:That is why..... by dfenstrate · · Score: 1

      Isn't this bordering on demanding with menaces?

      That sounds like the kind of 'let the authorities handle it' sheep mentality that the UK is so steeped in. Are you from there?

      In several US states you are expressly permitted by law to use force to recover your stolen property.

      YMMV

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    17. Re:That is why..... by OakDragon · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's the combination on my briefcase!

    18. Re:That is why..... by suntac · · Score: 1

      Congratulations...

      To be honest that is NOT my address even do the whois records state this. To be honest it is the address of my parents. And to be honest, I stated that that I would not post my address here (meaning on Slashdot). ;-)

      But yes, having a domain will tell you quite easily where the person who registered the domain lives. In this case it is not my address but the address of my parents where I lived when I registered the domain ;-)

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    19. Re:That is why..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I won't post my home address on Slashdot either.

      http://www.brandenbourger.org.lu/

    20. Re:That is why..... by Ninjaesque+One · · Score: 1

      Seeing as how there are only 3 syllables in a Korean name(w/ a max of 5 letters each and a min of 2), and only 240 extant Korean last names, I share my name with quite a few people.

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    21. Re:That is why..... by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      I've never heard that term before (though a quick Google search reveals that there is indeed such as thing), is it a US law?
      "Demanding (X) with menaces" is a UK term, and would certainly carry a heavier sentence than any minor fraud (mail/wire fraud isn't really a specific offence here AFAIK).

      It's what they use to get protection racketeers/gangsters.

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    22. Re:That is why..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What else would you expect from the world capital of victim mentality.

    23. Re:That is why..... by udderly · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here wire fruad is a *huge* deal ( http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/u sc_sec_18_00001343----000-.html )--like up to twenty years. If you defraud a bank, it goes up to thirty. On the other hand, you can beat the living hell out of someone and get probation. Usually because it's a local (not federal) charge and there are no empty slots in the prisons due to mandatory sentencing for minor drug offenses.

    24. Re:That is why..... by GuyverDH · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's one of the reasons that I think companies like "DomainsByProxy.com" are doing well in this day and age.

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    25. Re:That is why..... by halber_mensch · · Score: 1
      In several US states you are expressly permitted by law to use force to recover your stolen property.

      Hence the classic american repo man. I'm not sure if this profession exists in Europe or not, but he's usually basically a hired thug that recovers leased property for a bounty, typically by means of aggression or breaking and entering. Although some of the more professional reposession crews will actually put a great deal of effort and research into their jobs, and will study a subject for weeks to develop a plan to extract the property without confrontation or even an indication that the reposessors had been present.

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    26. Re:That is why..... by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      Really?
      I just fill my whois with trash and have a registrar who really doesn't care that much :-)
      -nB

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    27. Re:That is why..... by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      Wow... I'm gonna have to kill a lot of Koreans!

      Note to the authorities: that was just a joke.

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    28. Re:That is why..... by DrWho520 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You could do exactly the same thing using paper resources if you had the time and patience.

      This does not make doing it electronically un-creepy. In fact, I believe it confirs the creepiness factor. Instead of pointing out the importance of anonymity on the web, this should point out the importance of not being a wanker on the web. There are people who do not take kindly to being called names, and while it is correct to think they should not be so sensitive, the broken jaw that can result from insulting the wrong person is an very strong argument for descretion. This is exacerbated on the web were you do not have access to physiological cues (body stance, facial expression, physical size) that alert you to trouble. Like delivering a deliciously dry and sarcastically witty comeback to an ill-tempered (American) footballer.

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    29. Re:That is why..... by eno2001 · · Score: 1
      This year would have made him about 20 years old.

      So... I take it he didn't make it to 20? ;P Good man... I love justice when it's dished out cold.

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    30. Re:That is why..... by Tyigra · · Score: 1

      I've done similar things to find out if someone is trustworthy or not before making a purchase. Back when the Nindento DS was just about to come out in Japan, I was hunting on eBay to get one rather then wait months for it to come out in the US. I found a seller who had a few of them, but he had recently changed accounts and had no feedback. I asked him why, and he said the new account name was more memorable. He signed his email with his name, so I searched for it and found an entry in someone's guestbook from years ago, where he mentioned his store in NY. I searched New York yellow pages and found that the store really did exist, and matched his username. So I bid on the DS, got a fabulous deal since no one else wanted to risk it, received it safe and sound, and gave the seller some glowing feedback. After that he got to sell his merchandise for higher prices, and I didn't have to worry about being ripped off.

    31. Re:That is why..... by jandrese · · Score: 1

      You have a cite for that? As far as I know the use of force is never permitted for the return of property. If you use force your life or the life of someone else had better have been in danger.

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    32. Re:That is why..... by evil_Tak · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's the US for you.
      Possession of an illegal substance, mandatory 3 years. Rape, 6 months probation.

    33. Re:That is why..... by JW.Axelsen.Sr. · · Score: 1

      I had the opportunity to work for such an outfit. Our jobs were given to us mostly by private parties, but sometimes we'd get something from an all-on-paper debt collection agency if the debt was large enough (>$50,000). There were a lot of little rules involved (being armed was a requirement, as was having extensive and professional (military service or training from ex-military) weapons training, certain licensing, repeated filing of planned actions with the courts system, surveillance and legal training, blah blah blah), but we were pretty much allowed to enter private property and go and rip garage doors off of houses (fun), break down front doors (fun), take peoples kids' property (mostly electronics and crappy Hondas, not so fun), and we were even somewhat allowed to menace (really not fun); It was, at the time, fully within the bounds of the law to go have chats with people just as they were picking their children up from school. Although I don't like using the term for such a business, we were one of your more professional firms. We'd get the names, addresses, places of business, school names and locations and recreational habits of all debtors involved, as well as that of their immediate and extended families on both sides of a marriage and any and all business partners. We performed surveillance operations for a week or two, or sometimes up to a few months if the jerk was sneaky, and performed detailed analyses of the persons activities and that of their family members and co-workers. One single case would often yield several thousand separate documents, hundreds and hundreds of MBs of pictures and gigs of video. Now to the point; a heavily-utilized research tool was Google. People are very very lax with the information they're willing to put on the Internet. I think a lot of people figure there's risk in putting information on the Internet only if you're a little kid. Not so, not so at ALL. Be VERY careful with what you let anonymous nerds know about you, you never know when one of the crazier ones will take an unhealthy interest in you, you never know when ol' Jeff might wanna show up at 2 AM to take your shit or, as in this case, smash you in the face with a stick. It's not so bad to be a little paranoid on the web. Even I, myself, am lax about what I put on the Internet...but, then again, I don't owe anyone anything, nor do I engage in silly text-fights with crazy fucks in Islamic Yahoo chat rooms.

    34. Re:That is why..... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      Hence the classic american repo man. I'm not sure if this profession exists in Europe or not, but he's usually basically a hired thug that recovers leased property for a bounty, typically by means of aggression or breaking and entering.
      I think "typically" is the wrong word. "Occasionally" would be more accurate. The vast majority of repo men repossess automobiles, and the lienholder hiring them generally has a set of keys. I worked with a former professional repo man who said the worst he ever did was cut locks off garage doors. He was a HUGE guy, which probably prevented anyone from confronting him very often, but when they did, he said he'd just walk away and try again later.
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    35. Re:That is why..... by blake3737 · · Score: 1

      127.0.0..... wait a second.. I"m not giving my home address out to you people!!!

    36. Re:That is why..... by dfenstrate · · Score: 1
      With respect to personal property, the general view is that an owner may not commit an assault or battery upon the wrongdoer in order to recover property. A majority of jurisdictions recognize the right of an owner in hot pursuit of stolen property to use a reasonable amount of force to retrieve it. In some states, stolen property may be taken back peaceably wherever it is found, even if it is necessary to enter another's premises. In all cases, the infliction of an unreasonable amount of harm will vitiate the defense.


      From Here, for starters.

      You have to check your own state laws, but it sounds like you're from a blue state. Or the UK. You at least have the 'hot pursuit' option, which didn't apply to this particular case but surely some jurisdictions are more lenient. You know how to use google too, so do so if you want more.

      The original person I was responding to seemed to be getting all squemish at the very thought of an individual doing anything to set things right when he's been wronged. It's that pathetic, passive, make-me-a-victim mentality which I mock, and the absurd and naive implication that the 'authorities' will set things right.
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    37. Re:That is why..... by dfenstrate · · Score: 0

      Cliche.

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    38. Re:That is why..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet your work address was easy to find. Unfortunately, it's difficult to remain anonymous these days.

    39. Re:That is why..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      doors off of houses (fun), break down front doors (fun)


      Uh, really? Which state was this?

      we were even somewhat allowed to menace (really not fun); It was, at the time, fully within the bounds of the law to go have chats with people just as they were picking their children up from school


      Seriously, I hope you're out of that business. As a former military ELINT/COMINT techie with a lot of friends in that community along with a number of relatives in local law enforcement you personally would have suffered. I wouldn't have pushed the envelope as much as my father, but he was an EOD jarhead and I will honestly say he'd have dropped you on the spot (the old man is greased lightning with ye olde 1911) if you'd have approached him as he was picking me and my brother up from school, bedamned the jail time. He would have been quite a bit more civil if you'd have caught him alone or on the job though.

      Then again, my family isn't exactly well off, so if somebody's going to repo an '02 Camry I don't think they're going to go to that extent. ;)

      Now to the point; a heavily-utilized research tool was Google. People are very very lax with the information they're willing to put on the Internet. I think a lot of people figure there's risk in putting information on the Internet only if you're a little kid. Not so, not so at ALL. Be VERY careful with what you let anonymous nerds know about you, you never know when one of the crazier ones will take an unhealthy interest in you, you never know when ol' Jeff might wanna show up at 2 AM to take your shit or, as in this case, smash you in the face with a stick. It's not so bad to be a little paranoid on the web. Even I, myself, am lax about what I put on the Internet...but, then again, I don't owe anyone anything, nor do I engage in silly text-fights with crazy fucks in Islamic Yahoo chat rooms.


      Sage words!
    40. Re:That is why..... by jandrese · · Score: 1
      With respect to personal property, the general view is that an owner may not commit an assault or battery upon the wrongdoer in order to recover property. A majority of jurisdictions recognize the right of an owner in hot pursuit of stolen property to use a reasonable amount of force to retrieve it.
      I think we might have differing definitions of "force" in this context. If by "force" you mean "chase down and tackle the guy" then yeah, that's generally allowed. However, threating people with weapons, beating them up, or any of the stuff normally associated with "force" in the courtroom are not allowed, not even in the reddest of states. This is the sort of thing that a Jury is likely to be leniant on, but the law clearly places the value of human life over the value of property. You cannot risk the life of the theif to get your property back without some extenuating circumstances.
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    41. Re:That is why..... by NekoXP · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is no such thing as anonymity if you have a name and address.

      Someone, anyone, can find that given enough patience.

      Sure it is creepy that people can do it with Google now, but private detectives have made a business out of this for a very long time. They never had a monopoly on being able to do it, and therefore Google does not break any monopoly on people who can find out where you live.

      You're right. A lot of stuff on the internet now (cookie tracking etc.) is lauded as some kind of infringement of civil rights, personal privavy, god-given liberties or whatever, when it is nothing that wasn't being done before. If you pay taxes, the government knows who you are. If you have a bank account your bank knows who you are. If you have certain spending habits or look like you are in need of credit they send you brochures in the mail for credit cards, or if you walk into a bank, the computer will flag for you if you are discussing with a teller, that you are eligible for the latest and greatest whatever they are trying to sell. This was done even in the days of VT100s sitting in banks, little green text lines would pop up and say "ask customer if they want to update to super-fly checking account). If you go to Amazon and buy something, signing up for an account and therefore telling them who you are, they start to collect data on your habits to better serve your needs, what's the difference here?

      The solution to not being hunted down by someone you pissed off on the internet, is stop being a jackass and stop pissing people off on Yahoo! IM - that barrier of "he can't punch me because he is only text in a box" needs removing from peoples' minds. If it was a personal confrontation, most people would not say these things. Even the dry, sarcastic witty remarks
      you refer to, when made in social situations with cues, and similarly intelligent and sarcasm-aware company, can go down badly.

      Isn't that it? That we are a world of fucking assholes who will stop at nothing to get a snide remark out, and simply wallow and relish in the fact that we can do it from the safety and comfort of our own living room, rather than at the end of someone else's fist?

      Yeah, forget hiding behind privacy, rights and liberties, you fucking jerks, and start being more polite to each other!!!

    42. Re:That is why..... by carn1fex · · Score: 1

      Its comments like these that should allow mods to use "+1 hell yea"

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    43. Re:That is why..... by squish · · Score: 1

      No. Really, it's mine. And it's also my wife's.

    44. Re:That is why..... by JW.Axelsen.Sr. · · Score: 1
      Uh, really? Which state was this?
      Hint: Don't mess with it.

      Seriously, I hope you're out of that business. As a former military ELINT/COMINT techie with a lot of friends in that community along with a number of relatives in local law enforcement you personally would have suffered. I wouldn't have pushed the envelope as much as my father, but he was an EOD jarhead and I will honestly say he'd have dropped you on the spot (the old man is greased lightning with ye olde 1911) if you'd have approached him as he was picking me and my brother up from school, bedamned the jail time. He would have been quite a bit more civil if you'd have caught him alone or on the job though. Then again, my family isn't exactly well off, so if somebody's going to repo an '02 Camry I don't think they're going to go to that extent. ;)
      Well, I would hope that any member of a military family wouldn't warrant the attention of the company I used to work for. I worked for the company for a mere three years and we had as many ex-military debtors during my time there. If, however, we had to go after someone who was ex-military, that was of course taken into consideration and we'd plan accordingly. The bordering-on-menacing shit was a last resort for the most evasive of debtors, it was for guys who owed hundreds of thousands of dollars to numerous lenders and various companies or private parties. Probably 70% of those people were shady construction contractors and had never been in the military. For those guys, 5 or 6 of us operated with company-issued vests, tazers and S&W 1911s. The two owners of the company were decorated and honorable ex-military, one USMC (tattooed across the back of his head), the other an ex-Ranger; we didn't WANT to fuck with ex-military. And the thing is, if we were going to go after someone for an '02 Camry, it wouldn't be because of one Camry, it'd be for 10 of them and maybe a Dodge truck or six, nahda mean?
    45. Re:That is why..... by Usquebaugh · · Score: 2, Funny

      The US doesn't care as long as you stick to killing North Koreans. It'll just save them having to do it themselves in a couple of years. Axis of Evil and all.

    46. Re:That is why..... by fithmo · · Score: 1

      There even seems to be a good side to internet stalking: stalking the stalkers.

    47. Re:That is why..... by Pootie+Tang · · Score: 1

      You could do exactly the same thing using paper resources if you had the time and patience.

      Agreed.

      I don't think there are really any more these days, simply a greater proportion of them doing it faster.

      I'm not so sure. Does the lower time and patience barrier mean that people who pre-internet would have been a wannabe stalker are now actual stalkers? I suppose it depends on how laziness, ethics, fear of repercussions or other reasons not to stalk are weighted. I'm no expert on the psychology of stalkers, but I do know that laziness can be a strong disincentive.

    48. Re:That is why..... by EmperorKagato · · Score: 1

      No!

      I'm 127.0.0.1

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    49. Re:That is why..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try breaking into my home when I'm there and you'd damn well better he armed to the hilt and carrying a lot more than an axe handle. I keep a semi-automatic 12 gauge shotgun loaded with buckshot, a rifle, and several handguns around the house and close at hand at all times, plus other security measures that I shall not mention. No particular reason, it just ensures that if anyone were to try to break into my home with malice towards me I'll have a chance to fight back. I'm physically disabled and without an "equalizer" I wouldn't stand a chance.

    50. Re:That is why..... by BoomerSooner · · Score: 1

      OooOOooOOooo do me next!!!

    51. Re:That is why..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The original person I was responding to seemed to be getting all squemish at the very thought of an individual doing anything to set things right when he thinks that he's been wronged.

      I fixed your quote. You forgot to account for the subjective viewpoint of the "so-called" victim. There's a reason we have a court system to handle disputes; dueling went out of style deades ago, and was never even remotely fair to begin with.

      Violence should be carefully restricted to the rule of law; not the random whim of some angry fanatic. Which is more impartial and unbiased -- an angry man who feels he's been victimized, or a neutral third party with a background and training in the law?

      The law isn't perfect; and neither are the people who enforce it. That doesn't make anarchy or mob rule the solution.

    52. Re:That is why..... by dfenstrate · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      No one was ever talking about dueling. To reiterate: Some UK pansy thinks it's illegal to track down someone who has wronged you and demand restitution. I say such actions are perfectly rational and the point out in many states in the US you can go even farther.

      Sometime's it's pretty crystal clear that you've been wronged. You don't need an objective third party to sort the truth out, you need it set right.

      I'd say tracking down the offender and giving him a chance to set things right is rational. If he can solve it himself, than it's better than clogging up the courts and relying on the police to sort out petty crimes.

      Note that the OP didn't mention that he threatened the perp in anyway, and he wouldn't have to. Merely being identified is probably enough to scare such fraudsters into compliance as they have a lot more to lose than the money if the wronged party goes to the cops with a positive identification.

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    53. Re:That is why..... by Abreu · · Score: 1

      No stalking, I work in the collection department of a touristic company we use a lot of "secret techniques" (nothing non-obvious really) to locate people who are late on their accounts.

      Its amazing the number of people who sign up for services, use them once or twice and then decide to stop paying, feeling safe that they gave a fake address and phone.

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    54. Re:That is why..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how kind of you to leave loaded weapons around the house, now the intruder doesnt even need to bring his own!

    55. Re:That is why..... by dubiousmike · · Score: 2, Informative

      Proxy registrars also help reduce spam to your domain.

    56. Re:That is why..... by trupoet · · Score: 0

      Well dorothy...there's no place like 127.0.0.1 eh?

  3. Sanity by otacon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This doesn't have as much to do with the internet as they'd want you to think, I mean the guy drove 70 miles with an axe, obviously he wasn't stable to begin with.

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    1. Re:Sanity by chrisb33 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly - "web-rage" sounds like a crime of passion caused by the internet, but this guy had plenty of time to think things through during his 70 mile drive.

    2. Re:Sanity by AviLazar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have no idea why the above is moderated insightful. This has everything to do with the Internet. Put it this way, these guys live 70 miles apart, and if they didn't meet on the Internet they would have (most likely) never met each other. The Internet provides you a way of meeting people you would otherwise have no chance of ever meeting/talking to.

      They got angry at each other from the net, and unfortunately one of the people was unstable. So yea, this has a lot to do with the net.....nobody is claiming the net is bad, just, like any other tool, be careful how you use it.

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    3. Re:Sanity by pembo13 · · Score: 1

      I guess normal rules of reasoning to not apply, when the the average person hears the word "web" or "internet" in a situation.

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    4. Re:Sanity by AviLazar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Crimes of passion do not have to happen instantaneously. Also, they are not saying it is a crime of passion, they are saying this is the first case (they know of) where a person got pissed at someone they met from the net, and took physical action towards that person. Stop making it sound like they are claiming the net is a bad thing.

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    5. Re:Sanity by lbmouse · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same thing, but wouldn't it have been fun to be hiding in the back seat for the drive?

    6. Re:Sanity by otacon · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You are right they probably would have never met in person without the internet. However, someone unstable enough to drive 70 miles with an axe because of an online argument was probably going to snap at some point, it was not the internet that set him off, it could have been anyone, it only happend to be a guy in a chat room.

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    7. Re:Sanity by Iamthefallen · · Score: 1, Funny

      The Internet provides you a way of meeting people you would otherwise have no chance of ever meeting/talking to.

      So does the highway.

      Except blaming the highway is ridiculous.

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    8. Re:Sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's possibly directly related to the Net in another way, though. It's no secret that the faceless anonymity of the net allows people to say things to total strangers they wouldn't dream of saying in person. How many "flamewars" do you see in real life? This guy's ire may have been raised by a conversation he would have gone his whole life without having without the net.

      (To avoid too much irony, I'll state that my /. user name is IxnayOnTheIxnay, and I just can't be bothered to dig up my old password and log in).

    9. Re:Sanity by Who235 · · Score: 1, Funny
      I mean the guy drove 70 miles with an axe


      Well, actually, it was a pick-axe _handle_ not an axe.

      He was just going to throw the guy an unnecessarily savage beating, not chop him up. Chopping him up would have been a little overboard. . .
    10. Re:Sanity by AviLazar · · Score: 1

      I didn't take the article as saying it was the internet that made the guy snap, it was the internet that provided a link for him to snap at this particular person. The axe guy probably would have snapped against someone else, eventually. The moral of the article: be careful as to whom you give your info to.

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    11. Re:Sanity by AviLazar · · Score: 1

      As i posted to another guy...I did not take it as the article blamming the net. In fact, at no point does the article say it was the fault of the Internet. Just as someone meantioned other types of rages (i.e. crimes of passion), and you are mentioning the highway....ever heard of the saying "road rage"...does that mean we are blaming the road for the anger someone displays towards another while driving? no....it just the road is the medium.

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    12. Re:Sanity by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      "my /. user name is IxnayOnTheIxnay, and I just can't be bothered to dig up my old password"

      Let me help you out there.

      Username:IxnayOnTheIxnay
      Password:*********

      There - Problem solved.

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    13. Re:Sanity by otacon · · Score: 1

      I had been waiting for someone to point that out. Thanks

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    14. Re:Sanity by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

      So should we ban axes or computers?

    15. Re:Sanity by ArcticCelt · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Det Sgt Jean-Marc Bazzoni, of Essex Police, added the case demonstrates the importance of protecting one's identity on the internet.

      "It demonstrates how easily other users can put two and two together and also shows how children could also find themselves in danger."

      No, it demonstrate the importance of acting civilized and how people should stop acting like savages just because they are not in front of the person they are communicating with.

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    16. Re:Sanity by birder · · Score: 5, Funny

      I agree. A sane person would of turned around after 30 miles.

    17. Re:Sanity by uradu · · Score: 1

      After all that driving he didn't even nail his head to the floor!

    18. Re:Sanity by mwsw · · Score: 1

      Agreed. This has the potential to turn into one of those cases where some individuals extrapolate one unlucky event to the whole damned world, claiming is evil because . Too many people look for reasons to justify their irrational beliefs, while they should look for beliefs based on reason(s).

    19. Re:Sanity by Eccles · · Score: 1

      If you read the article -- I kid, I KID! -- you'll find the pickaxe-handle wielding loony was actually accompanied by a machete-wielding loony, so seems like this was more than your average flame.

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    20. Re:Sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For crying out loud, nowhere in TFA is the Internet being blamed for anything. It simply points out the fact that the more people who know you, the graver the danger you're in.

      All TFA says is that if you decide to go on the highway and show the finger to everyone, you better do it in a car with darkened windows and no license plate, or else you're a careless idiot.

    21. Re:Sanity by IpalindromeI · · Score: 1

      Why wait? Why not point it out yourself?

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    22. Re:Sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was afraid of blowing his anonymity, that's why he posted as "Anonymous Coward".

    23. Re:Sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He should have at least screwed his pelvis to a cake stand.

    24. Re:Sanity by AviLazar · · Score: 1

      No, it demonstrate the importance of acting civilized and how people should stop acting like savages just because they are not in front of the person they are communicating with.

      I agree with your claim, but there are people out there who will go and try and kill other people w/o needing a reason - because they are mentally crazy....so when you give someone the name of a small town you live in, your name and your picture....well yea not that hard to find someone....Then there are the issues with kids (child sex predators come to mind). We tell our kids to be carefully (well hopefully we do) but then it comes time for us to be careful and we think we are immune? As if it takes skill to hit someone with an axe or pull a trigger of a gun...

      When I drive in my car, and do road rage - that is fine, if I am alone...if someone shoots me nobody else gets hurt. But if i am in the car with someone, i dont rage....why get my friend/family hurt for my stupidty.

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    25. Re:Sanity by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      "No, it demonstrate the importance of acting civilized and how people should stop acting like savages just because they are not in front of the person they are communicating with."

      Yeah, because it's a reasonable assumption that someone will hunt you down and beat you with an axe handle for something you said in a chat room. /sarcasm

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    26. Re:Sanity by sckeener · · Score: 1

      However, someone unstable enough to drive 70 miles with an axe because of an online argument was probably going to snap at some point, it was not the internet that set him off, it could have been anyone, it only happend to be a guy in a chat room.

      true, but the guy in the chat room wasn't getting all the signals that someone in person would have gotten. Email, IM, Chat rooms all lose subtext.

      Of course it works both ways, maybe the guy that snapped wouldn't have been rubbed the wrong way if he had been getting all the signals.... We've been social creatures in person a lot longer than we have been social across distances.

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    27. Re:Sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "No, it demonstrate the importance of acting civilized and how people should stop acting like savages just because they are not in front of the person they are communicating with."

      Ah, talk of civilization and the savages? Why does being "civilized" make people behave any better than "savages"?

    28. Re:Sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The moral of the article: be careful as to whom you give your info to.

      No, no, no. The moral of the story is to always login as AC BEFORE you insult a complete stranger over internet... dumbass.

      -Grym

    29. Re:Sanity by 14CharUsername · · Score: 1

      Doesn't have as much to do with the net as it does with people being violent. If the net didn't exist this guy would probably be interacting with people at the local bar and getting angry and assaulting people. If we shut down the bars then he'd go somewhere else and get angry and assault people.

    30. Re:Sanity by chrysrobyn · · Score: 1
      I mean the guy drove 70 miles with an axe, obviously he wasn't stable to begin with.

      Shit, I know. Axes are dangerous to transport. They're likely to go off at any time.

    31. Re:Sanity by Grym · · Score: 2, Funny

      Crap.

      -Grym

    32. Re:Sanity by geoffspear · · Score: 1

      Why would someone who's going to kill another person at random for no reason need to use the Internet to track down the person they're going to kill, when they can find thousands of random people to kill for no reason just by walking around literally anywhere? Worrying that having your address online is going to lead to someone randomly killing you after they find it is infinitely less rational than worrying that someone's going to randomly come to your house and kill you if your house is visible to people walking past it, and therefore living in a hole in the ground with no visible entrance.

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    33. Re:Sanity by ResidntGeek · · Score: 1

      http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19 John Gabriel's Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory.

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    34. Re:Sanity by Vinnie_333 · · Score: 1

      unstable enough to drive 70 miles with an axe

      But, after 70 miles, he cooled down enough to decide to use just the handle of the pick axe, not the sharp end. Good man.

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    35. Re:Sanity by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I thought the moral was to be heavily armed?

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    36. Re:Sanity by mrdaveb · · Score: 5, Funny

      It was probably driving around the M25 that got him so pissed off in the first place. I bet he just wanted to go and have a beer with the guy when he left home ;-)

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    37. Re:Sanity by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1
      like any other tool, be careful how you use it.

      like... an axe?

      The net doesn't kill people, axes do.... unless you strangle your victim with an ethernet cable!

    38. Re:Sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and therefore living in a hole in the ground with no visible entrance.


      That would really suck for ordering pizza...
    39. Re:Sanity by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      Crimes of passion do not have to happen instantaneously.

      That seemed odd to me, and Wikipedia's definition is exactly what I thought:
      "A crime of passion, in popular usage, refers to a crime in which the perpetrator commits a crime, especially assault or murder, against a spouse or other loved one because of sudden strong impulse such as a jealous rage or heartbreak rather than as a premeditated crime."

      I've never heard it used to mean anything else than that.

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    40. Re:Sanity by DrWho520 · · Score: 1

      The axe guy probably would have snapped against someone else, eventually.

      Except that in real life, would someone have pushed this guy as far as he was pushed in this chat room. I am not condoning this in the least. He had a 70 mile drive to cool off, but there is a severe lack of tact on the internet these days. While the importance of maintaining ones anonymity is mentioned, what about being civil to another human being?

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    41. Re:Sanity by twistedsymphony · · Score: 1

      just Axe handles.. the points parts are a-ok

    42. Re:Sanity by smoker2 · · Score: 1

      The first 10 miles were the worst,

      the second 10 miles were the worst as well,

      after that he went into a bit of a decline.

    43. Re:Sanity by AviLazar · · Score: 1

      Why would someone who's going to kill another person at random for no reason need to use the Internet to track down the person they're going to kill, when they can find thousands of random people to kill for no reason just by walking around literally anywhere? Worrying that having your address online is going to lead to someone randomly killing you after they find it is infinitely less rational than worrying that someone's going to randomly come to your house and kill you if your house is visible to people walking past it, and therefore living in a hole in the ground with no visible entrance.

      It wasn't random...if you RTFA you would know that. They had met and talked in a chat channel and got in an argument.

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    44. Re:Sanity by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      Calling it "web rage" seems to be a play on "road rage". "Road rage" is when someone cuts you off & you flip out on them.

      Here's what road rage isn't: writing down the guy's license plate, looking up his address at the DMV, then a week or two later, driving over to the next town and slashing their tires. The second you start planning to attack someone, it stops being a crime of 'passion'.

      As always Google News will provide more & better information.
      http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2409469, 00.html
      "Gibbons, who used the username Pastordevil, argued about Muslims and the war on Iraq with Mr Jones [victim] through the chatroom. He then accused the father of three of being a paedophile, and told other chat room users of his plans for revenge."

      "[5 days before the attack] he wrote: "I am a law-abiding person but I'll make an exception for Jones."

      Another message, sent the day before the attack, read: "He's going to regret it tomorrow. I'm looking forward to tomorrow."

      Hours after the assault, Gibbons, who also used the user names Exudes, Devilishness and Pastordevil-tard-killer, logged on again and told Angie: "I had his knife at his throat. He was screaming in fear. He never stood a chance. Jones was freaked." He later added: "It went perfectly to plan."
      "

      This Gibbons is a violent sociopath, with a history of violence. Nutjobs like that are one of the reasons I keep a minimal internet presence. If I ever piss someone off, I can walk away & not have to worry about being hunted down & knifed.

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    45. Re:Sanity by DoomfrogBW · · Score: 1

      I agree. It seems that when people are on it the internet they are inconsiderate and rude. Isn't that right, fatso?

    46. Re:Sanity by AviLazar · · Score: 1

      That seemed odd to me, and Wikipedia's definition is exactly what I thought: "A crime of passion, in popular usage, refers to a crime in which the perpetrator commits a crime, especially assault or murder, against a spouse or other loved one because of sudden strong impulse such as a jealous rage or heartbreak rather than as a premeditated crime."
      I've never heard it used to mean anything else than that.


      Read the entire post...here let me highlight my fillings. Yes he had 70 miles to think about it, but I doubt he started to drive those 70 miles and along the way he thought "maybe it would be a good idea to kill them, and let me stop by the hardware store and get an axe"....he probably got pissed at the guy, had a strong impulse to kill him, found out where the guy lives and immediately drove up. The fact it took him 70 miles to get there does not preclude it from being a crime of passion. Now if it is found the guy spent days plotting this, i would say premed, but if he immediately jumped in his car (and by immediate, i mean within a reasonable time) i would say crime of passion.....though again, i refer to my bold faced portion "popular usage".

      And if we were to go by your wiki definition, it would fail because it does not meet the following criteria: against a spouse or other loved one

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    47. Re:Sanity by AviLazar · · Score: 1

      Except that in real life, would someone have pushed this guy as far as he was pushed in this chat room. I am not condoning this in the least. He had a 70 mile drive to cool off, but there is a severe lack of tact on the internet these days. While the importance of maintaining ones anonymity is mentioned, what about being civil to another human being?

      Probably not, but it happens (obviously). People should be civil, but they aren't. Also, it may not have been the victims fault - he may not have started the argument on the chat site. And someone cursing another person out may be un-civil, but that person trying to kill me is a bit of an extreme response. The axe guy is crazy.

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    48. Re:Sanity by Iamthefallen · · Score: 1

      Yes, but my point is that this would be a non-story if it weren't for the internet being involved.

      Much like tacking on "in bed" to the end of chinese fortune cookies, media loves an opportunity where they can tack on "on the internet".

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    49. Re:Sanity by ArcticCelt · · Score: 1

      "...Yeah, because it's a reasonable assumption that someone will hunt you down and beat you with an axe handle for something you said in a chat room..." I know, I hate when it happens to me. //By the way, if trolls where speaking face to face with ramdom strangers in the streat the way they speak on the internet, they would go instinct in no time.

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    50. Re:Sanity by AviLazar · · Score: 1

      Here's what road rage isn't: writing down the guy's license plate, looking up his address at the DMV, then a week or two later, driving over to the next town and slashing their tires. The second you start planning to attack someone, it stops being a crime of 'passion'.

      do we know it happend two weeks later? Maybe they did have the argument two weeks before, and the guy was re-reading the chat logs and then snapped after reading it for the tenth time. Also, who says road rage can't be someone writing a license plate number down and tracking someone and killing them? That is road rage, taken to a new level. Road rage also doesn't have to be side swiping, it could be someone trying to kill someone. I once saw this old guy try and hit a guy on a motorcycle because the guy on the motorcycle was driving on the shoulder of the road.
      Crimes of passion, btw, can take days to happen...generally a crime of passion is caused because the perpetrater had a mental loss of control...this could last for days depending on the situation. "planning" the attack is arbitrary... Lets give an example: Person X walks home and finds his wife having sex with person Y. Person X could instantly jump on person Y and beat him with his fists to death...Or person X could go to the kitchen, grab a knife and then come back to the bedroom and stab person Y to death. Obviously the second option took a bit more planning, but I would still call that a crime of passion. Crime of passion usually implies the person had a sudden loss on a grip of reality.

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    51. Re:Sanity by Fastolfe · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Courts take into account the amount of time that passes between the event and the crime when examining that sort of defense. If you have time to calm down and think about it rationally, it's no longer a crime of passion. The question of how long that time is depends on the case.

    52. Re:Sanity by AviLazar · · Score: 1

      The net doesn't kill people, axes do.... unless you strangle your victim with an ethernet cable!

      Or really poor web designs.

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    53. Re:Sanity by LoudMusic · · Score: 1

      I agree. A sane person would of turned around after 30 miles.

      Or thought up a better weapon on the way.

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    54. Re:Sanity by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1
      Or really poor web designs.

      So, after Powerpoint kills, we now get "Flash kills".

    55. Re:Sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, this is why I put in false records- half of the sites I sign up to I put down an address in Tokyo that I copied off the warranty registration card for my VAIO laptop that was the address taht I was supposed to send the card to, and the other half I put down an address in California that I moved out of 7 years ago. Of course, if I piss off the wrong people, they can try all they want- I move around so much that a "real" address might be one that I left some time ago- that or they can go after Sony (this is not meant to be taken seriously- sure Sony massively screwed up this year, but I wouldn't REALLY wish harm on any of their Japanese employees).

    56. Re:Sanity by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      if it is found the guy spent days plotting this, i would say premed

      It is, he even had an accomplice (another poster down below in the thread has a link to a times article with details).

      And if we were to go by your wiki definition, it would fail because it does not meet the following criteria: against a spouse or other loved one

      Definatly. It's not "any crime where emotions were involved", it's an impulse thing, usually involving a lover in some way.

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    57. Re:Sanity by geoffspear · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough, I was talking about the scenario mentioned in the comment I was replying to, which mentioned people who like to kill someone "for no reason". Sure, if you give someone a reason to kill you, it's probably best that they can't find you. If you're worried about people finding you to kill you for no reason, though, you're probably as crazy as them.

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    58. Re:Sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Much like tacking on "in bed" to the end of chinese fortune cookies

      [cracks open fortune cookie]
      69 is your favorite number.... in bed.

      Woo-hoo!
    59. Re:Sanity by AVryhof · · Score: 1

      No... the part about the pickaxe is just to make it sound worse than it it... then you read it again slower and it says it's a pick-axe handle

      So... rather than taking the whole pickaxe into a situation, the guy took the handle... might as well have been a baseba...err.. Cricket Stick.

      No sense at all...

    60. Re:Sanity by fataugie · · Score: 1

      No, the moral of the story is to only argue with people on the other side of the earth...that way if they want to "visit" you, it requires more planning and dedication to the task at hand.

      Be that as it may....any you freaks come to my house...you'll find one heavily armed yankee who's pissed off and looking for an excuse.

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    61. Re:Sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you even RTFA? Or the rest of the GP's post?

      maybe you need to learn the difference between impulsive behavior & vindictive behavior

    62. Re:Sanity by climbing · · Score: 1

      That what I was thinking. What perseverence.
      And people say sitting computers make you lazy and something about attention span, but this guy drove a long way and...

      Hey look... something shiny...

    63. Re:Sanity by Doyle · · Score: 1

      would of

      It's HAVE! Would HAVE, dammit!! *grabs pickaxe handle and heads out the door* ;)

    64. Re:Sanity by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      If you are face to face you don't need to hunt someone down, and as comically pointed out in "fight club", it's more difficult than you think to pick a fight.

      Someone typing random abuse into a chat room is not "in your face" and are about as threatening as someone scrawling random abuse on a toilet wall. The guy with the axe handle is mentally unstable, he should be locked up and forced to seek proffessional help.

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  4. or.. by tehwebguy · · Score: 1

    ..maybe it just shows how demented the attacker was

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  5. Children by Tsunayoshi · · Score: 3, Insightful
    also shows how children could also find themselves in danger.


    Fucking great, he pulled the "think of the children" line...expect politicians to get involved and new laws passed to "protect the children".
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    1. Re:Children by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am thinking of the children and I'm wondering why they're allowed to use the internet unsupervised.

    2. Re:Children by Shadowland · · Score: 1

      > Fucking great, he pulled the "think of the children" line...
      > expect politicians to get involved and new laws passed to
      > "protect the children".

      I had the same thought when I read the summary. Just what we need.

      The guy with the axe handle clearly had problems if he was willing to drive 70 miles...

    3. Re:Children by AcidLacedPenguiN · · Score: 1

      Yes, now you're only allowed to drive 50 miles to assault someone with an axe handle.

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    4. Re:Children by Yfrwlf · · Score: 1

      Children can be victims too?! Fuck, lock them up! We're not quite safe! Terrorism alert level red!

      Don't you love it how when something bad *could* happen it justifies taking away additional freedoms in some people's minds? While you're at it, don't let your kids walk down sidewalks, they could still be hit by cars, or ride bikes, or exist outside their house, and no overly pointy objects, and label everything as being a possible choking and suffocation hazard...

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    5. Re:Children by Tsunayoshi · · Score: 1

      I knew Bubble Boy was onto something....

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    6. Re:Children by Tsunayoshi · · Score: 1

      Is that 50 road miles or 50 miles as the crow flies?

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    7. Re:Children by Damastus+the+WizLiz · · Score: 1

      I feel compelled to point out that Alot of parents already take this approch. They shelter children completely from the outside world and raise children that cant function beyond their own home. These are also the people who yell and screem to have our rights taken away for the sake of the children. I have a hard time believing you can do that sort of thing to your children, yes you protect them from harm while they are young but you also make them unable to cope with reality. Growing up is learning about reality and how to function in the real world. you cant learn that in a rubber room. You have to expose kids to reality. In moderate digestable doses for sure. there is nothing wrong with limiting exposure to things untill they can process it, but you cant hide it from them forever. Of course now I am ranting. My point is that I have seen people doing this sort of thing "for" their children. but it really does nothing for the children.

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    8. Re:Children by melandy · · Score: 2, Informative
      Is that 50 road miles or 50 miles as the crow flies?

      Road miles. There's a different limit for each mode of travel, based roughly on how far you can go in an hour. The 50 mile limit is averaged to account for highway vs. smaller roads.

      As far as the crow flies, I don't think that the crow is going to be able to carry you and your axe handle very far in an hour. The physics involved are just stacked against you. So if you are travelling by crow, you are essentially limited to swinging distance.

      Now if you were planning on doing the assault with a coconut, and there were a couple of swallows chirping away nearby, and you had some string...

      -m
    9. Re:Children by mr_snarf · · Score: 1

      what kind of swallows?

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    10. Re:Children by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      Personally, if it's a choice between losing my own rights and locking children up in special compounds 24/7/365 until they reach 18, I'm choosing emigration.

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  6. Sorry guv. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When asked by the police what his motives were, the attacker simply replied "I did it for the lulz".

  7. Won't somebody please think of the children?!? by proverbialcow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "It demonstrates how easily other users can put two and two together and also shows how children could also find themselves in danger." ...which, in turn, demonstrates why children should not be allowed unfettered access to the Net. Of course, it's probably just easier to pass legislation than to watch what your kids are doing - that makes it somebody else's problem.

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    1. Re:Won't somebody please think of the children?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, it's probably just easier to pass legislation than to watch what your kids are doing - that makes it somebody else's problem.

      It's easier still just to post pictures of your neighbors, and sit back and watch the excitement.

    2. Re:Won't somebody please think of the children?!? by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      "to watch what your kids are doing". The latter seems to be reasonable option up to the moment of physical interaction your 15-year old, who calls the police and reports "child abuse".

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  8. London, that great cesspool ... by Marcion · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    ... into which all the loungers and idlers of the Empire are irresistibly drained.

    Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

  9. 70 miles by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 4, Funny

    He travelled 70 miles to Mr Jones' home in Clacton, Essex, and beat him up with a pickaxe handle in December 2005.

    You've got to hand to the guy for travelling 70 miles just to beat someone up.

    I can't wait for news about someone travelling to the other side of the globe just to beat someone up because they kept fragging them / stealing their gold / beat them double perfect in Street Fighter...

    1. Re:70 miles by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 2, Funny
      You've got to hand to the guy for travelling 70 miles just to beat someone up.
      This should be required reading for every couch potato who has ever ended up watching a crappy TV show they didn't like, just because they couldn't find the remote to change the channel with.
    2. Re:70 miles by pembo13 · · Score: 1

      Yah, the summary did seem funny to me on first read. One wonders what that conversation online was like.

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    3. Re:70 miles by Tx · · Score: 1

      I can't wait for news about someone travelling to the other side of the globe just to beat someone up because they kept fragging them / stealing their gold / beat them double perfect in Street Fighter...

      So what did you think Gulf War 2 was really all about? Apparently Saddam is pretty hot at Ultima Online ;).

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    4. Re:70 miles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've got to hand to the guy for travelling 70 miles just to beat someone up. I can't wait for news about someone travelling to the other side of the globe just to beat someone up because they kept fragging them / stealing their gold / beat them double perfect in Street Fighter...

      In the early 90's, I had a nutter on Usenet try to track me down to beat the crap out of me. When someone told him who and where I was, in another country, he settled for mailing child porn to my work address and phoning my boss to 'report' me. In the end, I lost my job over it, and was damned lucky not to get jail time. If I'd been in the US, he was quite prepared to drive across the country to get me.

      The Internet lets everyone spread across the world, even the nutters who'd otherwise just shout at the neighbours for spying on them.

      (Oh, and the thing that inflamed the nutter? I reposted something he'd posted a year earlier, which he denied ever posting. Good thing he died before dejanews got started, or he'd probably have tried to firebomb their offices.)

    5. Re:70 miles by Eccles · · Score: 1

      Good thing he died before dejanews got started

      I'm glad to hear you got your revenge, then.

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      Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
  10. already happened in Japan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A while back some 12 year old girl in Japan cut a classmate's throat over some stuff the classmate said about her on a personal web page.

  11. I have mixed feelings about this... by D-Cypell · · Score: 4, Funny

    On one hand, I find it sad that a network with the potential to unit the world, and bring us all closer together became the catalyst for such a sick, frenzied and unnecessary attack.

    On the other hand, I am happy that my TCP-enabled pickaxe handle may have a market.

    1. Re:I have mixed feelings about this... by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 1

      Sa-prize!

      There are people out there who like to fight, some of whom have internet access. I myself sometimes get the urge to feel my fist smashing into a mouth full of teeth, but I just go to any of several hillbilly biker bars around my area to get my fill.

      Also, maybe if you spent less time perfecting your emo and more time paying attention to reality you wouldn't need news articles to point out that the internet, like every other human institution, has some untoward goings on.

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    2. Re:I have mixed feelings about this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, I already got a prototype baseball bat/wifi sniffer, expect it on amazon in time for xmas.

    3. Re:I have mixed feelings about this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      funny, but when you say a network with the potential to unite the world, i sadly think of the concept that everytime communications is broadened that people just find more people to fight with.
       
      "Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation."

    4. Re:I have mixed feelings about this... by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      I am happy that my TCP-enabled pickaxe handle may have a market.

      Hey! That might infringe on my USB-pickaxe patent! I'LL KILL YOU! Oh I,ll get you ...

      D-Cypell (446534)
          (email not shown publicly)


      Awwww! Damn.

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    5. Re:I have mixed feelings about this... by Tired_Blood · · Score: 1
      On the other hand, I am happy that my TCP-enabled pickaxe handle may have a market.
      That line reminds me of this bash.org quote.

      There seems to be quite a market actually, given that the quote is currently ranked #2.
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    6. Re:I have mixed feelings about this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unit the world? A network with the potential to allow someone to place his gentials on every person in the world?

  12. stop w/ the children by deviceb · · Score: 1

    glad somebody else thought the same... I care not for the "children" any more.
    that aside.. it is rather comic that a chat room brawl spilled out into the real world.

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    Kill your TV
  13. From the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The pair met in an internet chatroom called Yahoo, Islam 10 as both had an interest in the Muslim faith, the Old Bailey was told. "

  14. rumor has it... by m1ndrape · · Score: 1

    that back in the GOOD OLD DAYS(tm), that some members from both LoD and MoD were in a pissing match on Lutzifer, someone from the MoD flew out wherever this LoD member lived and beat his ass and flew home...now of course there were other details that just made this an even jucier rumor that just fueled the lore of the underground scene, such as this MoD mem ber carded his ticket. At the time didn't see too far fetch considering MoD was well known for harassing folks they didn't like (dumping their CBI records all over the place, changing their telephone services, etc)... but it was just probably a rumor :)

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    1. Re:rumor has it... by MichailS · · Score: 1

      That was probably a very fun post if you know what LoD, MoD, Lutzifer, "carding a ticket" and CBI are, and how changing telephone services pertain to the subject.

    2. Re:rumor has it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LoD? MoD? It's generally accepted that you should define an acronym the first time you use it in a peice of text. In the mean time I'll simply assume you're talking about the Linistry of Defence.

    3. Re:rumor has it... by m1ndrape · · Score: 1

      i think it's obvious who LoD and MoD are....but in case for you folks that don't know MoD LoD hmm doesn't seem to be a wikipedia reference to lutzifer, oh well

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    4. Re:rumor has it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i think it's obvious who LoD and MoD are...

      That's because you're the person who wrote it in the first place.

  15. Perhaps a debate is starting ... by OeLeWaPpErKe · · Score: 1

    You should check what they were talking about. One can't but wonder if it's a coincidence.

    I wonder what the argument was about, exactly.

    1. Re:Perhaps a debate is starting ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Leave it out, will you. Enough of the bigotted crap.

      They are (judging from their surnames) nominally Christian. Don't blame this attack on Islam just because these (presumbaly) Christian men were in an Islam chat room.

      And just before you make insinuations about me too, I am an atheist who was brought up Protestant.

    2. Re:Perhaps a debate is starting ... by Alizarin+Erythrosin · · Score: 1

      The guy who got his ass kicked was most likely "e-thuggin" and pulled the famous last words: "Oh yeah? Well I live (insert address). What are you going to do about it? I dare you to try and kick my ass! I know (insert martial art)!"

      Translated from "online speak" (u = you, "oh yeah" = "o rly", etc)

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    3. Re:Perhaps a debate is starting ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, according to the news article. they were both into islam. Maybe the argument went something like this: /dawood has joined #islamicpeace

      dawood: Greetz. I've just got into Islam about a year ago

      m0m0: Hey, you're into islam? How splendid! I just started a year ago too! Where do you live?

      dawood: I'm in the UK.

      m0m0: Praise be to Allah! I'm in the UK too! Where in the UK!

      dawood: Near London.

      m0m0: Allahuakbar! ME TOO! Jolly spiffy, what? We can meet up sometime - our kids can play with each other and read the koran together! Do you pray too?

      dawood: Yup. 5 times a day I raise my butt to the sky, like we are meant to :-).

      m0m0: Fantastic! Me too :-). But it's easy for me - my mosque is just across the street.

      dawood: Really? My mosque is only about 50m away!

      m0m0: Cool! What's the name of your mosque?

      dawood: Deobandi Madrassa @:-)

      m0m0: Way cool! You're a sunni just like me! @:-) Which school of teaching?

      dawood: Imam Omar

      m0m0: Even better! Me too! Incredible! We're so *lucky* we ran into each other! Man! We have *so* much in common! Schism of 1927 too?

      dawood: No. Schism of 1933.

      m0m0: WHAT? 1933? YOUR Not SERIOUS! That's BLASPHEMY!

      dawood: I am. And you're the one who's the blasphemer. You need to study before you open your mouth.

      m0m0: ARGHGGHH! YOU'RE EVIL! I HATE YOU! DIE INFIDEL! I'M GONNA KILL YOU AND YOUR WIFE AND FUCK YOUR DOG AND RAPE YOUR CHILDREN! DAR-AL-HARB UPON YOU! ARGGGGHHH! JIHAD! JIHAD! WHERE'S MY PICKAXE???!!!! ...

      dawood: Hello? ...

      dawood: Hello m0m0? ...

      dawood: Hello anyone? ...

      #dawood has left the channel #islamicpeace

    4. Re:Perhaps a debate is starting ... by OeLeWaPpErKe · · Score: 1
      They are (judging from their surnames) nominally Christian. Don't blame this attack on Islam just because these (presumbaly) Christian men were in an Islam chat room.


      So was Adam Pearlman. Look him up.
  16. Ax-handle control NOW! by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Police report that this guy owns not just one, but several ax-handles! He's an ax-handle nut! I wish the ax-handle lobby would own up to the fact that these things are not just dangerous, but potentially DEADLY!

    Effective ax-handle control legislation is long overdue! Think of the children!

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    1. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by LighterShadeOfBlack · · Score: 1

      All jokes aside, who the hell owns a pick-axe nowadays? It's not like this guy just came from working "down t'mines". Of course you can't control the sale of pick-axes of their handles, but it would be nice if there was a little checkbox to fill in when buying one.

      Purpose of purchase

      __ Business
      __ Bludgeoning

      You know, just a heads up to everyone in a 70 mile radius of the fucking lunatic in their vicinity.

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    2. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes, It's easy to make fun of the gun control lobby.

      It's just as easy to point out that if this guy did have a gun, there would likely have been a fatality here. One more life saved by gun control. Watch the evening news for information about countless lives lost due to lax gun controls.

      Yes, children are killed by guns every day in the United States.

      How many lives is your hobby worth?

    3. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Funny

      Police report that this guy owns not just one, but several ax-handles! He's an ax-handle nut! I wish the ax-handle lobby would own up to the fact that these things are not just dangerous, but potentially DEADLY!

      Effective ax-handle control legislation is long overdue! Think of the children!


      Look, nobody wants to take away axe handles from legitimate, country-side axe users. It's only the urban areas that don't need them. We just need to close all the loopholes at the farm shows and flea markets. The real problem, though, is the glorification of axe handle swinging in popular media. Because once people think it's OK to inappropriately use just one piece of wood, then our Home Depots and other lumber yards are no better than arms markets.

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    4. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by pedestrian+crossing · · Score: 1

      ...who the hell owns a pick-axe nowadays?

      I do. In fact, I just loaned it to a friend yesterday. If you are trying to remove a shrubbery or building a patio, it beats the hell out of shovel alone!

      You can have my pick-axe when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers...

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    5. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by x2A · · Score: 1

      "who the hell owns a pick-axe nowadays?"

      No one... but my god there's a scary amount of handles out there.

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    6. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You posted that in jest but, seriously, that very idea is probably bouncing about British ministers' heads right now.

    7. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by R2.0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Yes, children are killed by guns every day in the United States."

      How many children are beaten to death by their parents every day? If those kids had guns, they'd still be alive today!

      (Expecting a visit by a pickaxe-handle-wielding Web-raging gun control activist any minute now. Good thing I carry a gun.)

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    8. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by necro81 · · Score: 1

      Right now he has a pick-ax handle with a nail in it. But he won't stop there. Soon he will make bigger handles with bigger nails until he makes a handle with a nail in it so big it will destroy us all!

      Obscure reference?

    9. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      All jokes aside, who the hell owns a pick-axe nowadays?
      Er, me, also a mattock (sort of like a pickaxe but with a spadey instead of pointy bit) and an actual axe, all of which require handles, oddly enough.

      You make it sound like owning a pickaxe is as outlandish as having your own trebuchet or pikestaff.

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    10. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by birder · · Score: 1

      Nothing like a good piece of hickory....

    11. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by LighterShadeOfBlack · · Score: 1

      No way man! Spades beat pick-axes hands down!

      Name and address please.

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    12. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 1

      having your own trebuchet

      AAAAAAHHH!!!! Military-grade weapons in civilian hands! Escalation! Arms race! Call the U.N.! Call China! Call Jimmy Carter! Somebody do something! AAAAHHHH!!!

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    13. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      That's an excellent point!

      We need diets to reduce the number of handles available!

    14. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This happened in Britain. Even the police don't carry axe-handles there.

    15. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by MilwaukeeCharlie · · Score: 1
      Effective ax-handle control legislation is long overdue! Think of the children!

      When ax-handles are outlawed, only outlaws will have ax-handles!

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    16. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by Laur · · Score: 2, Funny
      If you are trying to remove a shrubbery...

      Ni!

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      When you lose something irreplaceable, you don't mourn for the thing you lost, you mourn for yourself. - Harpo Marx
    17. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How many lives is your hobby worth?

      And how many kids (and their families) are killed by drunk drivers? Or people wielding machetes?

      Have you ever kept a very crazy guy with a pipe from beating down your back door in the middle of the night while your terrorized spouse frantically dials 911 for a long-delayed response? I have, with a gun. I couldn't have done the same thing by drinking a beer and then driving my car at him, but the beer/car combo is wildly more dangerous, and results in many more deaths-by-idiots.

      Are you also tallying up kids that die from other poorly-supervised activities? Like, drowning in family pools, eating foods they're allergic to, sucking down carbon monoxide from a car idling in the garage, falling out of trees, etc? Or are you just talking about kids killed by people who are deliberately shooting children with guns? If so, are you also comparing that to kids that are stabbed, beaten, strangled, shaken, burned, tossed off of bridges, etc? Are you going to start talking about crazies invading Amish school houses? Then you'd better also talk about crazies that walk into schools and cut the throats of a bunch of kids with a knife (in Japan, for example... since a gun wasn't easily available to the guy who was planning on killing kids anyway).

      A little more context will make your comments seem a little less... shrill.

      there would likely have been a fatality here

      How do you know that? There are beatings all the time in areas where guns are readily available, and no one gets shot. It seems more likely to me that the guy was specifically looking to deliver a beating and then walk away with the other guy "taught a lesson" or humiliated. Doesn't matter, because he's a loon, and should be locked up. And that guy (in the US) wouldn't be able to buy a gun legally anyway, if that's how he conducts himself.

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    18. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by MS-06FZ · · Score: 1

      Last time I used wood inappropriately the girl's parents tried to pin me with statutory rape charges...

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    19. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by TommyMc · · Score: 1
      Have you ever kept a very crazy guy with a pipe from beating down your back door in the middle of the night while your terrorized spouse frantically dials 911 for a long-delayed response? I have, with a gun.

      Have you ever told an anecdote to support an argument for a national policy? Why don't we round up all the anecdotes like yours (Guns saved my life) and all the anecdotes of people who have lost a mother, father, son or daughter to a gun crime, and we'll see who has the most.

      Are you also tallying up kids that die from other poorly-supervised activities? Like, drowning in family pools, eating foods they're allergic to, sucking down carbon monoxide from a car idling in the garage, falling out of trees, etc?

      Pools, food, cars and tree's have other uses. Their value is based on these other uses. Any accidents which happen are weighed up against their primary use. If millions of children are dieing from pools every day, they might justifiably be banned. Since they're not, they're not. Guns, on the other hand, exist only to maim and kill people* therefore the comparative number of children and other innocent people who have to die before a ban is considered should be set fairly low.

      * not including wild animals, a legimate use if proven that it is necessary for someone's lifestyle (ie. not downtown chicago) and the person is adequately trained.

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    20. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I know what you're thinking. Did he take six swings or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being as this is a Gerber Polymid Sport Axe handle, the most powerful axe handle in the world, and would take your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya punk?

    21. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      I know what you're thinking. Did he take six swings or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being as this is a Gerber Polymid Sport Axe handle, the most powerful axe handle in the world, and would take your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya punk?

      You should know that you, er... just Made My Day.

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    22. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by weenie510 · · Score: 1

      I wish the ax-handle lobby would own up to the fact that these things are not just dangerous, but potentially DEADLY!

      Ax handles don't kill people, people kill people.

    23. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But then the terrorists win.

    24. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Have you ever told an anecdote to support an argument for a national policy?

      What I've done is echoed the voices of millions of other people who think exactly the same thing, but have done so with my own personal experience.

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    25. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by darkmeridian · · Score: 1

      Actually, you cannot buy spray paint from Home Depot without proof of age. They keep the spray paint in a locked display case.

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    26. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Actually, you cannot buy spray paint from Home Depot without proof of age. They keep the spray paint in a locked display case.

      Which would be, of course, that private business's policy - not the law of the land (whew!). I'm betting Home Depot makes those decisions on a regional basis, since the one near me has it all sitting out on an open shelf, and has self-checkout lanes that take cash! All depends on the local demographic, I'd guess. Which is interesting, since my town is infested with gangs and their spray-painted 'tags' all over the place.

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    27. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by Impotent_Emperor · · Score: 1

      Most "children" killed by guns in the U.S. are actually teenaged gang members. Gun control lobbyists just take the meaning of the word "child" to include as many people as possibly (up to age 20 I believe). Relatively few actual children are killed in gun accidents.

      Of course, the inner-city gang problem is not easy to solve. It's basically existed for over 150 years, back when Irish immigrants first came to the U.S. Gun control cannot fix it.

    28. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by Kelson · · Score: 1
      Because once people think it's OK to inappropriately use just one piece of wood, then our Home Depots and other lumber yards are no better than arms markets.

      And the last thing we want is to give more power to the Lumber Cartel, right?

    29. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't we round up all the anecdotes like yours (Guns saved my life) and all the anecdotes of people who have lost a mother, father, son or daughter to a gun crime, and we'll see who has the most.

      This has been done. In studies done in America, the "guns saved my life" anecdote occurs vastly more often than the converse.
      I myself have used a gun to defend myself twice, and been without one when I needed it once. Trust me: it is better to have one.

    30. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by hotdiggitydawg · · Score: 1
      I have, with a gun. I couldn't have done the same thing by drinking a beer and then driving my car at him, but the beer/car combo is wildly more dangerous, and results in many more deaths-by-idiots.

      If you're going to make outrageous claims like that you have to state your sources.

      In 2003, 17,013 people died in "alcohol-related collisions" in the USA. That same year there were 30,136 (page 10) deaths caused by firearms. You do the math.

      And I say that as the proud owner of no less than three firearms.

      A little more context will make your comments seem a little less... shrill.

      And a little more research will make your comments sound a little less... ignorant.
    31. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      And a little more research will make your comments sound a little less... ignorant.

      Try here.

      You'll see that assaults using firearms tallied 11,920. And I say that as someone who owns a lot more than three, and has never been assaulted with one, only brandished one to prevent an assault on my family. I have used them, hundreds of times, to put food on the table or eliminate varmints, but that's another conversation.

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    32. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ax handle doesn't kill you, it's the blunt force trauma.

    33. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by ar1550 · · Score: 1
      Effective ax-handle control legislation is long overdue!

      When ax-handles are outlawed, only outlaws will have ax-handles.

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    34. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by TommyMc · · Score: 1
      What I've done is echoed the voices of millions of other people who think exactly the same thing, but have done so with my own personal experience.

      So..An anecdote then. My point was not to debate whether or not your story was backed up by millions of people, my point was that for every anecdote you tell there are people who have an opposite opinion, and a story to back it up. It's the reason why politicians don't stand up in parliament and say "guess what happened to me yesterday?.." The point of all this is to measure numbers. There are millions of people who disagree with you too, that's why it's an "issue", and not a human right.

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    35. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      The point of all this is to measure numbers. There are millions of people who disagree with you too, that's why it's an "issue", and not a human right.

      The difference, though, is that one perspective points to the liberty to own a tool and to enable self defense, and the other perspective seeks to remove that liberty, but only from law-abiding people. It is a "rights" issue, to the core.

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    36. Re:Ax-handle control NOW! by hotdiggitydawg · · Score: 1

      We could argue about statistics until the cows come home, and what figure applies to what definition... for example, "alcohol-related collisions" could well include deaths where the driver was sober and a pedestrian was drunk. If I had to offer an opinion, I'd say even using your figures, 17 thousand versus 12 thousand are at least similar orders of magnitude, and certainly doesn't show that one is "is wildly more dangerous, and results in many more deaths-by-idiots" as you claimed.

      In any case, my original point still stands: if you're going to make inflamatory statements, you should be prepared to support them with some facts/figures.

  17. Re:Won't you please get a clue!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    which, in turn, demonstrates why children should not be allowed unfettered access to the Net

    Boy did you miss the point entirely. That statement has nothing to do with "kids having unfettered access to the Net". The point is that even with seemingly innocuous usage of the net (posting pictures of your family or kids posting pictures of themselves, yes, even "safe" pictures) that one can leave themselves open. I know you're getting modded up because of your off the cuff but completely off the mark populist BS, but you are completely off the mark.

  18. Re:Won't someone think of the children? by Brainix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're right. Sadly, misguided politicians use unfortunate incidents like this to hammer through legislation. This has less to do with the internet than one might think. Assault has been illegal long before the birth of the internet.

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  19. Sound like a pair of morons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has nothing to do with the web, thugs regularly set about each other down every local pub. Is the news here that there are violent elements to society? O RLY?

  20. Annoying by Lex-Man82 · · Score: 1

    The dead guy must have been some other shade of annoying to warrant the effort to drive seventy miles to kill him. I would need at least forty grand large.

  21. Are you MagnoliaFan? by Bandman · · Score: 1

    Jay and Silent Bob?

  22. If only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shame! If he channeled that anger on spammers he'd be doing the world a favour!

  23. Dog bites man by MikeRT · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Psycho attacks man over perceived slight" is the dog bites man story no matter how you wrap it up for media consumption. The man bites dog story would be "Psycho drives 70 miles to clean man's snowed-in driveway with a shovel after an online exchange."

    He's psychotic, what did you expect? Him to drive up with a bouquet of fresh flowers for the women of the family and a bottle of Dom Perignon for the gentlemen to savor over fine Cuban cigars?

    This is one reason why I plan to live in the South as long as I live in America. Most of the South is still relatively sane. Someone comes at you with any sort of axe, ice pick, knife, etc. you're going to be hard-pressed to find a jury that will convict you for blowing their head off.

    I read stories online all the time about youths beating up or murdering people in Britain and the police harassing the 50 year old Brit who asked them to just be quiet. Who are the psychos? The punk youths, the British cop and the institution he represents. I thought the definition of psychosis is a pathological inability to tell right from wrong, and last time I checked, state power harassing law-abiding British subjects set upon by violent punks is the definition of injustice--right and wrong!--making the British legal system technically psychotic.

    1. Re:Dog bites man by dunkers · · Score: 1

      I think the real story is that flamefests online tend to get much further out of hand becuase it's easy to be macho in front of a screen - it's not going to travel 70 miles to bop you on the nose, right? This /is/ an Internet story because a face-to-face chat wouldn't've got so blown up without one side or the other moderating what they're saying. Just consider some of the aggressive insults aimed at quite innocuous posts here on slashdot, for example.

    2. Re:Dog bites man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF is wrong with you, you stupid motherfucker!!!! I'm going to -so- kick the shit out of you, you fucking Apple fanboy pussy!!

    3. Re:Dog bites man by PakProtector · · Score: 4, Informative

      As someone who suffers from Psychosis, you are off on your terminology. The word you are looking for is not Psychotic, which describes Psychosis, but Psychopathic. Psychopathy is the condition that can be generally described as a lack of a conscience. A Psychopath doesn't care if they hurt other people. They have a lack of ability to empathise with the pain of others.

      As a Psychotic person, myself, I know what is right and wrong. And I do care about whether my actions hurt people. It's just sometimes one can become rather extremely disconnected from reality.

      For more information, check out Wikipedia.

      Also of note is that Psychopathic behaviour is very often part of the condition known as Antisocial Personality Disorder, which, if memory serves, is commonly called Sociopathy.

      Wikipedia Article on Psychosis
      Wikipedia Article on Psychopathy
      Wikipedia Article on Antisocial Personality Disorder

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    4. Re:Dog bites man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This is one reason why I plan to live in the South as long as I live in America. Most of the South is still relatively sane. Someone comes at you with any sort of axe, ice pick, knife, etc. you're going to be hard-pressed to find a jury that will convict you for blowing their head off."

      That's an interesting definition of the word sane.

      Sane is reasonable force in self defense or even better running away. Blowing their head off is psychotic overreaction by a redneck.

    5. Re:Dog bites man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HERE-HERE! *Grabs pitchfork*.

      Wait what?

    6. Re:Dog bites man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, so you're one of the ones that live in mortal fear of everyone else and feel the need to own a gun?

      Yeah, it sure assures me of your sanity.
      Scary shit.

      What happens when your government comes to take it away?

    7. Re:Dog bites man by 14CharUsername · · Score: 1

      You should never come to Canada then. Around here folks are crazy. They use guns for hunting and axe handles are attached to axes that are used for chopping firewood. People don't use guns for shooting people and don't use axe handles for assaulting people. We're crrrrraaaaazzzzzyyyyy!!!

    8. Re:Dog bites man by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Right on the money, Mike. Agree 100%.

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    9. Re:Dog bites man by Quasicorps · · Score: 1

      You have it spot on. The legal system here seemingly caters for petty and irrelevant things only. Minor law breaking warrants greater investigation than assault, and defending yourself is a greater crime than attacking.

      Nobody dares to disturb the roving youths, and everyone slams on brakes for the speed cameras. Jury consciences are now identical to those of the high-paid government prosecutors.

      I can't wait to leave this beurocratic hell hole.

    10. Re:Dog bites man by demigod · · Score: 1

      What happens when your government comes to take it away?

      Oh come on, that's easy. They will "pry it from his cold dead hand".

      Well at least that's what he'd say.

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    11. Re:Dog bites man by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Informative
      I would like to add that, as a psychopath, we are often misunderstood too.

      -Eric

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    12. Re:Dog bites man by elrous0 · · Score: 1
      People don't use guns for shooting people

      Yes, I think you've made that abundantly clear in recent events.

      -Eric

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    13. Re:Dog bites man by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      I read stories online all the time about youths beating up or murdering people in Britain and the police harassing the 50 year old Brit who asked them to just be quiet.

      Could you provide some links then please? I live in the UK, and can't think of any examples of that sort of thing in the press (other than the Tony Martin thing, but given that he shot and killed a fleeing burgular in the back, it doesn't really count...)

    14. Re:Dog bites man by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      I hadn't heard about that one, so thanks. I can't help but feel, though, that the blame rests squarely with the mother of the little shi^W^Wadorable little tike who lodged the complaint. Given that it is an accusation of assault on a minor, I suspect that the police are obliged to take it seriously and investigate fully. You'll be wanting to blame John Reid for that one (as that's where the buck currently stops).

      I agree that it's ridiculous, and that on receiving the complaint the police should've arrested the lad and his mates for threatening behaviour, assault, unlawful gathering, loitering, and anything else they could make stick, and arrested the mother for making false allegations and wasting police time.

      However, you, I and even the Daily Hate (sorry, Mail) know full well that the silver-haired old granny will have to never go to court, except perhaps as a prosecution witness. Doesn't make it any less shit, of course.

      I do still refute the original allegation (or at least, implication) that the police routinely harrass innocent victims, no matter what the tabloids would have us believe.

  24. Web rage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought yahoo's chatrooms were IM based. Not web based. Are journalists still having difficulty with the concept of non-web internet, or do yahoo have web based chatrooms?

    1. Re:Web rage? by nickos · · Score: 1

      In my experience, journalists have difficulty with most concepts, whether technology based or not.

  25. Not the first incident by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I remember a story of someone killing another person because the victim sold a virtual sword of the killer.

    1. Re:Not the first incident by Hemogoblin · · Score: 1
    2. Re:Not the first incident by AsnFkr · · Score: 1

      It's Britian's first incident, you idiot. What, you wanna do something about me calling you an idiot? Come and get me.

    3. Re:Not the first incident by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but in this case the guy needed the 1-handed crushing skillup. Otherwise, he might have used a sword.

  26. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Funny

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  27. Excellent... by tygerstripes · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'm not happy about the fact that some nut went that far out of his way - and maintained his unreasoning rage for the best part of an hour - that this could happen.

    All events like this are bad in themselves... but the more it happens, the more people might stop and think for a second before they do their utmost to cut someone to shreds, safe behind the anonymity of the internets.

    The attacker was clearly a dick, but then I've little doubt that the victim was too. No, it doesn't vindicate it, but it does give me a vicious, guilty little flinch of pleasure.

    Note to flamers: the interweb is full of games for bored, vicious little pillocks. Don't play one-up in chat.

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    1. Re:Excellent... by goober1473 · · Score: 1

      And to make matters worse, Clackton isn't exactly the best connected part of the UK, I would be supprised if it wasn't closer to a 2 hour drive.

      I live a mere 255miles from Clackton, google maps tells me this is a 5 1/2 hour drive, to be honest I would be supprised if it was that quick!

    2. Re:Excellent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      s/Clackton/Clacton/

      'Clackton' is the fictional place where old men go when their knackers stretch down to their knees and make a constant 'Clack' noise as they swing together.

    3. Re:Excellent... by tygerstripes · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm no more than an hour away then...

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    4. Re:Excellent... by djcondor · · Score: 1

      Note to flamers: the interweb is full of games for bored, vicious little pillocks. Don't play one-up in chat.

      Duh, that's what slashdot is for...

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  28. Self Control by pandrijeczko · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'd really like to see a social psychologist comment on this incident - these kinds of "rage" attacks are definitely on the increase and my impression is that in Britain, we seem to be the worst of any nation for this.

    Then look at the wider picture here, with binge drinking also increasing and parts of our city centres becoming virtual war-zones on weekend evenings and you begin to wonder whatever happened to self-discipline and restraint in our society. Even take violence at football games - yes, it's decreased here in the past 20 years but only because there are so many police involved in crowd control, no violence ever has the chance to break out.

    I'm certain that advertising and the media is at the core of this - kids today are constantly pounded with messages of not being "cool" until they buy, use or wear certain brands of electronic devices, clothing or music. But then, where's the education from parents that their kids just cannot have everything they want right there on the spot?

    Maybe I'm wearing "rose-tinted spectacles" but I go out to other European countries a lot, particularly Spain, and I don't hear or see any of these kinds of behaviours - go out in the city streets at night and it's always a lot of people, particularly families, just out having a good time.

    This is a really sad incident and we should be ashamed that it happened here.

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    1. Re:Self Control by Cederic · · Score: 1


      these kinds of "rage" attacks are definitely on the increase

      I thought media reporting of them was on the increase. I see no real evidence that significantly more attacks occur.

      my impression is that in Britain, we seem to be the worst of any nation for this

      Why, because we don't engage in multi-generational feuds, we don't just shoot people that annoy us, we don't engage in acts of destruction and violence that can't be traced? Those things all go on elsewhere for similar reasons.

      look at the wider picture here, with binge drinking also increasing

      Again, is it increasing? I seem to recall the previous generation getting equally pissed, cases of alcohol driven domestic violence being very prevalent. At one point alcohol was preferred to water for health reasons.

      I go out to other European countries a lot, particularly Spain, and I don't hear or see any of these kinds of behaviours

      So there's never violence at Spanish football games? Amazing. Yet they have exactly the same advertising and media as the UK, and you're certain that the media are at the core of this.

      I'm confused.

      This is a really sad incident and we should be ashamed that it happened here.

      This is a really funny incident and we should be grateful that it happened to someone else.

      The world is full of idiots. Many of them lack adequate self control. Trust me, this is not an exclusively British trait. So be sensible, act sensibly, and control access to your personal information online.

    2. Re:Self Control by faloi · · Score: 1

      I'm far from being an expert on the state of affairs in the UK, so I'm asking this question in all honesty. What are the chances that media coverage of incidents are fueling a lot of the undisciplined behavior? It seems like, based on my non-psychologist background, that it seems to be a media fueled cycle sometimes. Someone does something stupid, it gets lots of media attention. Someone else wants attention, they do the same thing. It spirals for a while, you hit a lull and then it starts up again.

      Again, I'm hardly an expert on such things. But I can't help but think sensationalizing incidents is going to lead to more "copy-cat" behavior.

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    3. Re:Self Control by Aquila+Deus · · Score: 0

      It's not about self-discipline, rule, or evil ads or what the kids want.

      The biggest problem is their lack of respect and compassion to other human beings. The source? Look at our parents and the presidents!

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    4. Re:Self Control by Ron+Bennett · · Score: 1

      "Again, I'm hardly an expert on such things. But I can't help but think sensationalizing incidents is going to lead to more "copy-cat" behavior."

      Absolutely it does.

      Consider the school shootings in the U.S. ... often there will be one, which then gets 24/7 wall-to-wall media coverage, and then like clockwork, there are more similar incidents in the weeks afterwards - ie. the recent Colorado school shooting and the Amish school shooting.

      Technology is a double-edge sword ... it provides allows news to be disseminated faster and more broadly than ever before, but that tends to lead to news information overload; leads one to believe things are worse, more novel, so different, etc than they really are...

      The worst school massacre, by far with 3x the deaths of Columbine, in the U.S. was in 1927 ... yes, really!

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

      It's well documented and yet virtually never mentioned in the mass news media - why is that? ... fear gets ratings while sane discussion doesn't; FUD: Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt is a time proven method to get rapid attention of the populace; control them.

      Ron

    5. Re:Self Control by x2A · · Score: 1

      That's a load of crap. Violence has always existed, what's on the increase is a) population, and b) reporting.

      I live in britain, and go out every weekend with a huge group of friends, none of us violent or get into that kind of state... we're amongst a rising increase of people who take drugs that increase our likeliness of being friendly with each other. All statistics show that we are on the increase.

      Binge drinking in many areas is starting to decrease, where the new 24hour licensing is available, people don't need to ram as much down their neck as quickly as possible.

      "This is a really sad incident and we should be ashamed that it happened here"

      We should hold shame to ourselves for the actions of another?

      I think you're just looking for ways to be depressed about the world.

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    6. Re:Self Control by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      I'm certain that advertising and the media is at the core of this -

      What was the attacker getting out of this? Here's the real reasons:

      o Lack of proportional punishment.

      o Incresingly institutionalized perception that people are not responsible for their actions for psychological/environmental/genetic/whatever reasons.

      o Criminal apologists.

      o Society's abdication of the concept of shame.

    7. Re:Self Control by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1
      I live in britain, and go out every weekend with a huge group of friends, none of us violent or get into that kind of state... we're amongst a rising increase of people who take drugs that increase our likeliness of being friendly with each other. All statistics show that we are on the increase.

      Please stop with that "namby pamby" hippy rubbish - I grew out of that myself 20 years ago!

      If you want to do drugs, good luck to you and you can even have my vote in legalising all drugs if you want because, in my opinion, it's not up to the state to legislate on drug taking but up to the individual to face up to any of the consequences of it.

      But if you can't make friends when you're not stoned, then you'd probably be better off spending your money on a few "Confidence and Relationships" evening classes....

      Binge drinking in many areas is starting to decrease, where the new 24hour licensing is available, people don't need to ram as much down their neck as quickly as possible.

      Rubbish! Binge drinking is on the increase because it's being sold as "cool" to do it - go into any British city or town centre today and they are just clones of each other! Same old plastic chain theme pubs with plastic personalities and endless bottles of brightly coloured alco-pops. Please explain to me why, when I go into the town centre on a Saturday afternoon, every one of these pubs has a bouncer now?

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    8. Re:Self Control by x2A · · Score: 1

      Um, how does "increasing chances or being friendly" = "no chance of being friendly without"? Once again, you're reading between the lines for anything depressing. I have no problem making friends, and I don't use drugs to make friends. The drugs many of my friends take affects their moods in positive, friendly, ways, as opposed to alcohol, which can make people aggressive. They work in different ways. But just because a drug can makes you friendlier, doesn't make you incapable of being friendly without.

      "Rubbish! Binge drinking is on the increase"

      It's rubbish that there are some areas where it's on the decrease, which is what I said? So what you're saying, is that *everywhere*, it's either going up or staying the same? That you couldn't find anywhere where it's going down? Well you hang out in all the wrong places dude.

      "Please explain to me why, when I go into the town centre on a Saturday afternoon, every one of these pubs has a bouncer now?"

      Because it only takes one person to ruin things for loads of other people, and bouncers can help deter that, or eject people who are ruining things for people. I have many friends who run nights in birmingham city center, who have people on the door to keep the few from ruining the night for the most. Get that? The *few*.

      Without bouncers, the few /can/ ruin things for the most, leaving people end up with depressing views of the whole world, because they think that it's all as bad as a few people can make it.

      "Please stop with that "namby pamby" hippy rubbish"

      I guess that's your real problem, you think that anything other than the depressing is "namby pamby hippy rubbish". There's a lot of good people out there. If you're having trouble finding any, then you need to re-evaluate where you're spending your time, and who you're spending it with.

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    9. Re:Self Control by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1
      Let's clarify a few things here.

      Firstly, I don't suffer from depression and never have done. I know at least one close relative who has, it's not something I would like to ever go through so I'd suggest you stop bandying about that word so lightly - at any rate, as an admitted drug user, it's more likely to be an after effect of that than anything I will ever do.

      Secondly, I'm in my 40s so I don't claim to have much in the way of common interests with people who are young enough to be my children. Likewise, I have no personal desire to spend an entire evening in a loud, plastic theme pub serving brightly coloured drinks beneath a large, loud TV screen playing endless MTV videos at me - give me a quiet country pub any time. In other words, town centres hold absolutely no interest for me anyway from the perspective of a night out.

      Thirdly, I went through the pot-smoking, "love everyone" hippy stuff - yeah, it was great fun at the time but then I grew up, got sensible and confident and realised it was just a phase I went through for when I wasn't all sensible and confident. Having experienced that, I'm just giving you some advice to save you finding it out for yourself in probably 15 to 20 years time.

      However, despite my excessive years, I am able to offer some degree of hindsight and, for the reasons I explained in my first post, the pressure on people half my age to conform and be "cool" is far greater now than it ever was for me (at least in my opinion). So I'm just disappointed that those people don't want to push back harder on those media pressures and work on finding their own identities.

      I've a loving wife, good job and enough money to do just about anything I please so I've no personal depression whatsoever. If I could turn back the clock 20 years then I would only do so if I could back and do exactly the same things with the same people at the same time again - I certainly wouldn't want to be 20 years younger now...

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    10. Re:Self Control by TommyMc · · Score: 1
      other people have already discredited most things you've said but one things stands out that you said highlights you as talking a crock of shit:

      Even take violence at football games - yes, it's decreased here in the past 20 years but only because there are so many police involved in crowd control, no violence ever has the chance to break out.

      Now, i know about this. I go to the football at Ipswich all the time. The violence at football matches has decreased in the past twenty years because more families and middle class people are going, and it's no longer the refuge of skinhead thugs that it was in the 70's who wanted someone to get rid of their violent aggression on to. The police have nothing to do with it apart from taking out the extreme fringe elements. Whether British society or just British football culture has changed is a valid point of debate but one things for certain, the suggestion that the police presence is at the heart of it is a knee-jerk reaction and i suggest you go and watch a few games and look around you the crowd around you before you comment.

      I go out to other European countries a lot, particularly Spain, and I don't hear or see any of these kinds of behaviours

      Is this the same Spain that made monkey noises at the black British players in a friendly match a year or so ago? Give me a rowdy town centre any day, if that's the alternative.

      This is a really sad incident and we should be ashamed that it happened here

      I'm more ashamed that you happened here. Your argument is really disjointed, veering from binge drinking to football violence to lamenting kids for wanting to keep up with what's cool (that's new) and to be honest it reads like an old mans "what's wrong with the world today?" speech (Winters are colder. Children don't RESPECT their elders). Go outside and meet some new people, it's not as bad as you think.

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    11. Re:Self Control by x2A · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying you suffer from depression. I'm saying you're only finding the depressing things in "the big bad world" out there, at least in your last few posts. I'm not the "pot smoking love everbody hippy" that you mention just because I refuse to believe that the world/country is in the downward spin of alcoholism and violence, nor does it mean that I'm suffering from the need to grow up, a lack of confidence, or any kind of delusion.

      It just means that I know enough good people out there to know that the people who will do things like, drive 70 miles to apply a pick axe handle to someone, are a very small minority, likely a decreasing minority, and does not reflect that our country must be going to hell and that we should collectively be ashamed of it.

      I think the one thing the media is responsible more than anything is the spread of fear; fear of increasing levels of crime, increasing levels of terrorists, increasing levels of gonvernment control, when truth be known, we've never had it so good.

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  29. So... by Kamineko · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Are they going to remove the obligation to give your personal details for the domain name WHOIS database?

    1. Re:So... by Jamu · · Score: 1

      You can opt-out of the whois register for .uk domains registered to an individual. I doubt they'll ever have that option for something like .com or .biz, and as far as I know all the gTLD still require the registrant's details for the whois database. Although it does seem odd that .name also works like this.

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    2. Re:So... by Ron+Bennett · · Score: 1

      Whois Privacy works wonders for some people though is often pricey; several dollars per year per domain.

      A more economical alternative is getting a post office box.

      While neither approach above is full-proof, they tend to be good enough for many domain name registrants; primarily to reduce spam / junk calls.

      Many whois privacy services will provide one's private details to others (talking individuals / business, etc) in various instances; getting court subpoena - even a forged one would probably work.

      The street address, if one was provided, to which a PO Box (speaking of U.S.) is associated with is often available to others upon request.

      One of course could provide bogus whois information and/or open a PO box using a bogus address, but even that is no guarantee of privacy for a person being aggressively targeted; IP address, handle, etc alone can sometimes be sufficient for others to narrow down one's location / identity.

      Lesson to be gleamed from the news article is that discussing religion, especially when it gets to the level of debate, is often asking for trouble; safer to avoid such discussion to begin with.

      Ron

    3. Re:So... by Banner · · Score: 1

      Haven't you noticed that most WHOIS information is faked these days?

  30. I, for one by skrew · · Score: 1

    ...welcome our web-raging, pick-axe wielding overlords (c'mon, it was inevitable..if I didn't say it, someone else would).

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    1. Re:I, for one by MagusSlurpy · · Score: 1

      You bastard! I was gonna say that! Where's my pick-ax handle?!?

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  31. Web-Rage! A deadly sin?! by jaypifer · · Score: 1

    There was never rage before the web was invented! What other base emotions will this new fangled technology reveal?!

    Stay tuned, possibly we will see things like Web-Lust and Web-Sloth in the future. Protect the children!

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  32. Obligatory bash quote by scenestar · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    get up
      get on up
      get up
      get on up
      and DANCE
    * nmp3bot dances :D- i'm going to become rich and famous after i invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet

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    1. Re:Obligatory bash quote by tttonyyy · · Score: 1

      Who modded this offtopic? I mean, blatent bash paste it may be, but it's hardly offtopic, is it?

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  33. New UK Ban by josephtd · · Score: 1

    Clearly pick-axe handles should be banned straight away.

    1. Re:New UK Ban by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can have my pick axe when you pull it from my cold, dead hands.

      God, country, and pick axes.

  34. Not the first case of Web Rage! by JonTurner · · Score: 1

    Right you are. The problem is with the attacker, not the web.

    This has happened before, and not infrequently, and demonstrates that it's not the Internet at fault. Pharaceutical companies in the UK reguarly brief their employees not to wear their company ID badge off-campus, and to not leave identifying items on or about their vehicles, and coached not to leave personal information on the internet (e.g. full name) if using a company email address, for fear that the animal-rights crazies will damage person or property.

    Another case -- what about the MMO game "bounty hunters" which hunt down player-killers? now THAT'S a real case of internet Web-Rage!

    Finally, how many people get stiffed by a seller on a "Popular Web Auction Site" and decide to go pick up their goods/refund "in person..." occasionally with a few friends along just for fun?

    1. Re:Not the first case of Web Rage! by gsslay · · Score: 1

      I don't think anyone is suggesting there's a problem with the web. Not here, not on the BBC article. Clearly the guy was an unstable nutter. "Web Rage" is no different from "Road Rage". No one suggests that the road's at fault when a motorist loses their temper and behaves violently, it's just the background to the behaviour described.

  35. This just in... by RingDev · · Score: 1

    People demand respect on the internets too.

    -Rick

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    "Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
  36. And how is this different from the real world? by S.O.B. · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...the case demonstrates the importance of protecting one's identity on the internet


    I think the case demonstrates that the internet is no different than the real world. Trade insults with a guy you just met (online or not) and he may be a violent person that will come over to your house with his buddy and kick your ass. I'm glad he wasn't killed and I hope he'll completely recover but I don't have too much sympathy.

    Too many people use the supposed anonymity of the internet as an excuse to be asshats. Always remember...the other guy could be a bigger asshat.
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    1. Re:And how is this different from the real world? by Cederic · · Score: 1


      I reserve the right to be a complete arsehole to people on the internet and believe that gives them no right at all to violently assault me.

      It does give them the right to ignore me, say nasty things about me and potentially seek legal action against me. That'd be that personal responsibility thing we don't hear enough about.

      Even if the other guy is a bigger 'asshat', he should stay within the law.

    2. Re:And how is this different from the real world? by Shawn+is+an+Asshole · · Score: 1
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    3. Re:And how is this different from the real world? by Son.Of.Dad · · Score: 0

      People are trying to define a 'rift' between IRL and Online.

      There is no rift.

      It's all rolled up into one giant ball of energy we call life.

      With that said, there is an absolute truth here: Asshats will get it back x10. It's a shame that it had to result in violence in order for this problem to come to the forefront. And yes, the "Kids" card *should* be played.

      If the person that was beaten was, say, 13...would this attacker have stopped? Probably not.

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    4. Re:And how is this different from the real world? by 14CharUsername · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the internet should be more like the real world where the big and strong bullies get to go around insulting people and generally being dicks and everyone else just has to shut up and take it.

    5. Re:And how is this different from the real world? by AdamThor · · Score: 1

      I'm reminded of a story I heard a while back:

      Dude is driving on the highway with his wife, and cuts off or is cut off by another driver. So he returns the favor. The incident escelates for a while and then dude eventually gets off the highway. He is followed by the nemesis car. He gets out to speak to the other driver at the end of the exit-ramp. The other driver gets out as well. The other driver shoots the wife of the man, who remained in the car.

      Was the shooter correct to do what he did? No. Should he be found and prosecuted? Yes. Were the man and his wife greviously harmed by unnecessary over-reaction? Yes.

      Did the first man court that over-reaction in the first place? Yes. Would refraining from being an asshole have been a safer course of action? Yes.

      Even if the other guy is a bigger 'asshat', he should stay within the law.

      I think should is the operative word here. Remember, you are starting from the premise that the other guy is a bigger asshat.

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      -- "Oh. This guy again."
    6. Re:And how is this different from the real world? by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      Too many people use the supposed anonymity of the internet as an excuse to be asshats. Always remember...the other guy could be a bigger asshat.

      And now the asshats will use this as an example to FUD on their targets.

      This article reminds of a one from a week or two ago about a guy who was convicted for threatning the family of a murder victim on a board, people here were saying that wasn't right, I thought it was, and this case illustrates why (that family was not anonymous).

      Then there's this article, which might lead to less british trolls if "death threat" is a serious crime in their eye.

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      You can't take the sky from me...

    7. Re:And how is this different from the real world? by JudgeFurious · · Score: 1

      I see your point but you have to take into account that what someone should do and what they will do sometimes bear no resemblence to one another.

        You may feel this way about it and that may be the civilized approach but that just makes me think that you're not going to be nearly the sort of jackass who would draw this kind of attack to begin with. Seriously, to what extent would you go to anger another person online? Would you come back day after day to torment them and mock them or would you ignore them if they bothered you as you say they should do to you? See you're probably far too reasonable to really use as an example in something like this (pure speculation on my part).

        If you were enough of an "arsehole" then I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect that if you can be found then someone will eventually tire of you, find you, and come stuff your head up your butt. It's just too easy today to run across and set off violent people. It has nothing to do with their rights. Sure they're technically wrong and they'll pay the price for their actions. It won't get you out of an ass kicking though and a significant number of people will still feel like you had it coming. Look how many people on this thread admit to a little glow of satisfaction and a belief that the victim had it coming.

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    8. Re:And how is this different from the real world? by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

      Or like Slashdot where the bullies will mod you down to -1.

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    9. Re:And how is this different from the real world? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...The question is, did she deserve it? /anonymousfest

  37. oh boy.... by Killcrone · · Score: 1

    First Video games get heat for violence now this, more poeple goin against the web, and sure that Jack Tompson gonna have a say-so in this. (sigh) i just hope that the internet dodges this bullet so that way stuff like SlashDot (most shameful plug EVER!) will survive to see another decade.

  38. Honey... by tom_75 · · Score: 1

    ... get away from the computer now ! Your pal John is here, he says he's bringing your shovel back. Let your dad use the computer, I saw him cleaning up his chainsaw last night. He kept babbling something... "Chat room... Annoyance... Must kill !"

  39. Re:Won't someone think of the children? by mavenguy · · Score: 1

    I basically agree with your points, but would put a bit more emphasis on the role of the internet demonstrated by this incident. There are two factors, IMHO, that the internet contributed.

    The first is the rise of chat rooms and other venues of communication that facilitate communication among people. It's often observed that they enable people from around the world to communicate, but, what is often not remarked is that people not so distant, but who would not likely have met, are also able to interact, most relevantly as illustrated in this case in a "reasonably close" proximity for physical contact. The second is the ability of the internet to facilitate "data mining" for information leading to the physical contact.

    Now, it is clear that the attacker in this case is off the wall and does not represent the average antagonist on the net, but the ever widening embrace of the net is going bring an increase of the number of such unstable people in contact with others, illustrating that point that in addition to the benefits of such widespread communication are a number of pitfalls.

  40. protection by kcornwell · · Score: 1

    He should have let him know up front who he was dealing with.

  41. I have blended feelings about this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "On one hand, I find it sad that a network with the potential to unit the world, and bring us all closer together became the catalyst for such a sick, frenzied and unnecessary attack."

    Telegraph, Telephone. They united us, but not in the "happy go lucky" way you all expect the Internet to be.

  42. Hate Crime or am I just reading too much into it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did anyone else notice the use of "partner" in the article? It might just be a culture thing between Britian and America, but "partner" over in the US is generally used when referring to a same sexed spouse (that is until MA approved of gay marriage).

    Also, I noticed "Their exchanges soured after Gibbons accused Mr Jones of spreading rumours about him." Am I the only one making a connection?

  43. Sadly... by Cctoide · · Score: 1

    ... I now understand the true potential in this bash.org quote.

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  44. Yeah,, but that;'s Japan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



    What would you expect a wee-little japanese girl to do BUT to cut the throat out of her worst enemy for writing bad things about her ?

    1. Re:Yeah,, but that;'s Japan by MS-06FZ · · Score: 1

      I dunno... sell her underwear to some smelly old perv, use the money to hire a PI and uncover the worst secrets of her enemy, and take sweet revenge... You know, without killing anybody.

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  45. Bollocks by SomethingOrOther · · Score: 4, Informative

    these kinds of "rage" attacks are definitely on the increase
    WRONG
    http://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/output/Page63.as p
    (And thats before taking Victorian London into account)

    with binge drinking also increasing
    LOL ! Getting shitfaced is obviously a new phenominon
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gin_Lane

    Even take violence at football games - yes, it's decreased here in the past 20 years but only because there are so many police
    Nothing to do with the rise of MDMA in the late 80's & early 90's then?
    http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v04n1/04122mdm.ht ml

    Stop reading the News of the Screws / Daily Hate and get a grip.

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    Don't believe what you read is the truth.
    1. Re:Bollocks by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1
      Crime statistics? They just changed the way crimes were measured and reported - just look here.

      And if we're just going to throw web pages at each other, then how about this one discussing the increase in alcoholism in the UK.

      MDMA? Was abuse of it ever that widespread, compared to say heroin, ecstasy and cocaine? Can't say I've heard about it in years, even though I tend to read The Guardian and don't allow tabloid rubbish papers into my house. But while we're discussing the increase in drug abuse, have a look at this article supporting my statement.

      Since you're obviously so good at Googling for articles, how about looking for stats on "Slashdot readers with their heads obviously stuck up their backsides"... because I know of at least one.

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    2. Re:Bollocks by Kattspya · · Score: 1

      MDMA is ecstacy. I don't see how MDMA can cause violence though, at least not compared to ethyl alcohol.

    3. Re:Bollocks by slyguy135 · · Score: 1
      Bravo. Good to see some straightforward fact-giving here actually happening. Maybe I'm still new here...

      Why do so many people believe that the crime rate is increasing when so many indicators show otherwise? I'd expect more of self-proclaimed rational people.

    4. Re:Bollocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing like being British to negate the God complex needed for violence.

    5. Re:Bollocks by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      MDMA? Was abuse of it ever that widespread, compared to say heroin, ecstasy and cocaine?

      Ok, I have to ask - was that a joke? Given that MDMA is ecstacy...

      Also, from my purely anecdotal experience E use was far more widespread than heroine and coke; I knew 1 person who used heroine, 1 person who used coke, and a dozen or more who took E.

      Not widespread? There were songs written about it, for crying out loud! There were massive tabloid campaings about it - remember Leah Betts (warning: link contains picture of her in hospital, dying)?

      You've not heard about it in years because scandle and righteous indignation about a certain subject only sells for so long, and so the tabloids moved on to the next big thing. People are still popping pills, getting loved-up and going clubbing, but the tabloids have moved on to the demon drink, and how late licensing is going to turn all our town centres into battle grounds. (Now, I don't doubt that some people get violent, and I've seen the police-eye-view TV shows, but in 15 years of going clubbing and drinking, I've seen maybe two fights) Unfortunately I can't find it online, but there was a short article in the Metro the other day about how violent crime has fallen since the introduction of late licensing...

  46. What are the chances of that happening? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm surprised that there are ever two or more real people in a Yahoo chat room these days. Every time I go into one it seems to be me and 49 bots (a problem Yahoo could easily solve by making users pass a Turing test after every couple of hours online - maybe they could also require provision of a 'real' (i.e. ISP-based - not hotmail, etc.) email address when registering).

    Drifting further off-topic along this train of thought, I wonder if Yahoo's advertisers realise how many of their reported user base is non-existent.

  47. well its about time by felosi · · Score: 1

    Its about time 2 internet tough guys met up. god knows you see that shit in chat all the time. I do think its imoportant to protect your identity bvut when you are in business like web hsoting, server admin, otr whatever you cant hide your identity and expect for people to trust sedning you money. Some people take the internet wayyy too seriously.

  48. Somebody Obviously Dropped The Ball Here. by CheeseburgerBrown · · Score: 1

    I'm embarrassed on behalf of all of us that nobody was on the ball enough to camcorder the assault and get it up onto YouTube. Without the supporting video link this is nothing but a Fark headline.

  49. Why stop at the obvious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    With a little time and paitence, most anyone can get an address if they have an IP. Why give them that chance?

    anoNet gives you the opportunity to have as much anonymity as you want. It doesn't prevent someone from being a dumbass, but it does give that extra little bit to people that do want their privacy.

    It is what the Internet was back before big brother stopped by.

    Give it a chance, you may like it.

  50. First Incident of Web-Rage or... by dBLiSS · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First Incident of Web-Rage or the millionith (ish) incident of one Human going nuts and attacking another.

    So, What's new?

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  51. New urban FACT by I+Like+Pudding · · Score: 2, Funny

    Every time you OMGWTF on the internet it bring an axe-wielding psychopath 70 miles closer

    1. Re:New urban FACT by MS-06FZ · · Score: 1

      That's the bad news. The good news is that people are OMGWTFing all over the place - so yours may bring him 70 miles Northeast, someone else's will likely bring him 70 miles West or 70 miles South. Really, you owe it to the people on the other side of the country to do a good OMGWTF every now an then - after all, they did some OMGWTFing that drew him away from you.

      Over time, the axe-wielding psychopath will settle down to a minor "wobble" pattern in the midwest. Maybe he'll gradually wipe out the people in that immediate area, but that's a small price to pay for keeping the densely-populated coastlines safe from the axe-wielding psychopath.

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    2. Re:New urban FACT by I+Like+Pudding · · Score: 1

      I said AN axe-wielding psychopath, not THE axe-wielding psychopath. We all have our own cross to bear, and that cross is an axe-wielding psychopath.

      PS: Your own axe-wielding psychopath is 210 miles closer. Axe-wielding psychopath.

    3. Re:New urban FACT by MS-06FZ · · Score: 1

      Well, I figured naturally there would be more than one - I mean, otherwise, people overseas would have nothing to fear, for instance. But you never said anything about each of us having our very own, personal axe-wielding psychopath... Is there a 1:1 correlation between potential victims and axe-wielding psychopaths? If so, what happens to the axe-wielding psychopath after they kill someone? Do the axe-wielding psychopaths now outnumber the potential victims? Or do axe-wielding psychopaths need to close in on each other, too?

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  52. Funny .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'd think that it would have been an attack against a spammer. I'm always amazed at the number of people that spammers piss off and yet, there isn't some nut-case willing to take the law into their own hands. Perhaps it means that there aren't as many nut-cases as one would want to believe.

  53. I blame Britain's gun control by csoto · · Score: 0

    If they had access to personal firearms, there would be no such danger. A bit of blood and gore to clean up, perhaps, but that guy would be the dead guy on my lawn.

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    1. Re:I blame Britain's gun control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they had access to personal firearms, there would be no such danger. A bit of blood and gore to clean up, perhaps, but that guy would be the dead guy on my lawn.

      You'ld probably just be shot when you walked up to answer the door. Or do you always assume that everyone who knocks on your door is a violent psychopath? And if your answer to every knock at your door is to draw your handgun, well, perhaps there's more than one psychopath in the neighbourhood... Guns don't prevent conflict; they just change the nature of the conflict when it occurs.

    2. Re:I blame Britain's gun control by brkello · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You do know that it goes both ways. He could have just as easily blown you away. In this case, both people are alive. That speaks more for gun control than against it.

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    3. Re:I blame Britain's gun control by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      If they had access to personal firearms, there would be no such danger. A bit of blood and gore to clean up, perhaps, but that guy would be the dead guy on my lawn.

      You always answer the door with a gun?

      This scenario without gun control:
      *Ding dong*
      Door opens.
      BANG!

      You're dead.

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    4. Re:I blame Britain's gun control by SonnyJimATC · · Score: 1

      Well, the problem being is that I don't feel I have the right to take someones life. Guns tend to do that. If I wanted to stop an intruder there's a billion other ways including nonphysical means that I'd use first. Plus the one thing to remember violence in the UK, it's not altogether out of the ordinary for two people to knock the crap out of each other then sit down and have a drink and a laugh about it afterwards. You don't get that when the final blow was a bullet through the brain. Queensbury Rules!

    5. Re:I blame Britain's gun control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      This scenario without gun control:
      *Ding dong*
      Door opens.
      BANG!

      You're dead.


      That's your version. If I look through the peephole of my solid core door and don't recognize you, I answer it with a dish towel in my hand. It will look like I'm polishing something, and that something is a compact frame .380 loaded with hollow points. I also have the ability to make the shoot/no shoot decision in less than a second, thanks to military training and my natural misanthropic tendencies. Your life just doesn't mean that much to me.

      There be sheep and there be wolves. You sound like a sheep to me.
    6. Re:I blame Britain's gun control by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 1

      So what's your response if he ran him over? Ban automobiles? What if he stabbed him? Ban knives? I'm really looking forward to hearing this one.

    7. Re:I blame Britain's gun control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always assume they're probably someone I don't wish to speak with, and that is usually the case. That's why I have a beautiful custom designed and hand built very decorative patio enclosure with a flowing design that resembles the brances of a tree, but made of 1/2 inch iron bars and surrounded with video cameras and audio (all recorded on my computer) so that I can see who is out front and speak with them over the intercom without ever opening the door at all. The few minutes it would take them to break through my "patio enclosure" to get to my front door would give me plenty of time to get to my weapons of choice (shotgun, handgun, grenades, RPG, etc).

    8. Re:I blame Britain's gun control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hesitate to respond to your obvious troll, but here it is, anyway. The difference between a) automobiles and knives, and b) handguns, is that automobiles and knives both have clearly useful, nonviolent purposes. Handguns do not. Handguns are designed to kill people. If we wanted to ban everything that could possibly be used as a weapon, we'd have to ban everything in the world. As it stands, however, we are capable of banning those things that have little or no use as anything *but* weapons.

    9. Re:I blame Britain's gun control by WilliamSChips · · Score: 2

      You're assuming he doesn't shoot through the door. This is the silliest datum with respect to gun control on either side that I've seen.

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    10. Re:I blame Britain's gun control by mjwx · · Score: 0

      Automobiles are a useful mode of transportation, Road related deaths are a side effect not their primary purpose.

      Knives are useful cooking utensils, their primary role in today's society is not as a weapon.

      Guns well, their designed to kill, pure and simple. Guns have no other purpose.

      Your argument against gun control holds water like a leaky bucket. besides, it's pretty hard to run over someone in their own home and if I get stabbed I have a good chance of surviving. In fact I have a better chance of getting a knife off of someone than getting a gun off of someone.

      If I have a gun the chances are that my assailant has a gun, by the same token if I only have a cricket bat then my assailant only has a cricket bat. My survival chances are better with the bat.

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  54. maybe insulting people not such a good idea! by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 0, Troll

    This just in, insulting strangers turns out to be a bad idea. "Yeah, I felt like a big man when I cursed that guy with my foul language, but I realized that might have been unwise when he drove 70 miles to kick my ass", said the man after the incident. "As it turns out, my talk was much tougher than I was."

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    1. Re:maybe insulting people not such a good idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe arguing theology and politics with people in a chatroom called "Islam 10" is not such a good idea!

  55. So the south is sane huh? by hellfire · · Score: 1

    This is one reason why I plan to live in the South as long as I live in America. Most of the South is still relatively sane. Someone comes at you with any sort of axe, ice pick, knife, etc. you're going to be hard-pressed to find a jury that will convict you for blowing their head off.

    And us yankees are up here are tilting our eyebrows at the fact that in the south you have people that are coming at you with a pick axe in the first place.

    This is typical short sighted thinking. I'm not trying to start a yankee/southern war, just saying this is short sighted in general. The internet is only inflaming already existant problems in any society when things like this happen.

    1) The idiot who got into the argument who got beaten didn't think that there were repercussions on the internet. Lots of people think they have total anonymity. They do not.

    2) The idiot who did the beating has a severe problem with reality and anger management. He's a problem that needs to be dealt with, using whatever conservative or liberal means you deem fit. The internet just allowed him to see the fucknut in #1 as an object of anger and not as a human, and the internet enabled him to find this guy and unleash his rage, which he obviously doesn't know how to control.

    3) I try very hard not to put myself in either of these positions. It's really easy. 99.99999% of the time people have an easy to descern reason as to why they want to hurt you if they indeed are going to try to hurt you. None of this "whackos are stalking you randomly" bullshit, that's the remaining .00001% percent. Don't put yourself in this situation, and there's really no need to own a gun to blow someone's brain out.

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  56. More detail by tttonyyy · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Bah, when I submitted this story I linked to:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2409469, 00.html

    ...where there is a lot more information on what happened than in the BBC article.

    During the assault, Mr Jones's throat was cut from his Adam's apple to his ear, narrowly missing the jugular vein.
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    1. Re:More detail by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      With my last submission, they not only changed the link to something that timed-out (and had people complaining about that), but also renamed me "An anonymous reader".

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  57. Axe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rage?

    He just wanted to axe him a question.

  58. Let's legitimize it by TheGrinningFool · · Score: 2, Funny

    By calling it "web rage". Obviously, this man was not in control of himself. Clearly someone who drives 70 miles doesn't have any time to think about their actions at all, it's completely impulsive.

    1. Re:Let's legitimize it by Gryle · · Score: 1

      Didn't you get the memo? Personal responsibility died a long time ago.

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    2. Re:Let's legitimize it by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      No, the world would be better if it died. Personal responsibility is an excuse for selfishness.

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    3. Re:Let's legitimize it by Gryle · · Score: 1

      How so? Selfishness is a trait associated with immaturity. One would think that claiming responsibility for your actions, good or bad, is a mark of maturity.

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    4. Re:Let's legitimize it by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      Demanding others "take responsibility for themselves" is attempting to not take responsibility for helping others. Ergo selfishness.

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    5. Re:Let's legitimize it by Gryle · · Score: 1

      Personal responsibility does not exclude helping others. A person can take responsibility for himself or herself and still attend to the needs of others. Additionally, I submit that demanding other people to help you is just as selfish as ignoring the misfortunes of people around you.

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  59. pondering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    maybe something to think about the next time some punk wants to trash talk on xbox live...



    *set to anonymous*
  60. I blame violent video game legislation by ajlitt · · Score: 2, Funny

    What this man was lacking was a safe way to act out his aggressions on the person he was chatting with. And what do they call a chat application where you can bludgeon the other users with a blunt object? Deathmatch.

  61. Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

    No, it demonstrate the importance of acting civilized and how people should stop acting like savages just because they are not in front of the person they are communicating with.

    I dunno about that, I mean, if I could tell the judge "look at these post, he was a troll" and get off with a warning about feeding trolls, then it would be worth the drive ;-)

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    1. Re:Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back by Andrewkov · · Score: 1

      This is Troll 2.0. Not only are they abusive online, but they also come to your house and beat the crap out of you!

  62. Re:more info by Migraineman · · Score: 4, Insightful
    To be honest it is the address of my parents.
    Soooo, it was a good idea to offer up even more information in response?

    Okay class, this concludes today's example of Social Engineering.
  63. Security Through Obscurity by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Yes, of course we should live by a cop's advice on how to avoid picking a fight with a homicidal maniac, through secrecy. It sounds like he's marketing to encourage more copwork.

    How about not picking a fight with a homicidal maniac, either in person, on the phone, over an "audio link" (like VoIP), email, the Web, in Letters to the Editor...
    Unless you can take them. I recommend a garbage can lid, a can of mace, and a sawed off shotgun.

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    1. Re:Security Through Obscurity by Shadyman · · Score: 1

      It sounds like he's marketing to encourage more copwork.

      Guess what? I got a fever! And the only prescription... is more copwork!

  64. Re:Hate Crime or am I just reading too much into i by Ragzouken · · Score: 1

    In the UK partner just means 'the other one in the relationship' not nessicarily gay or straight, or even married at all.

  65. Psycho with a big heavy stick by Scrameustache · · Score: 3, Insightful


    He's psychotic, what did you expect? [...] This is one reason why I plan to live in the South as long as I live in America. Most of the South is still relatively sane. Someone comes at you with any sort of axe, ice pick, knife, etc. you're going to be hard-pressed to find a jury that will convict you for blowing their head off.


    If that story had taken place in the southern united states, the guy would have driven the 70 miles with his gun and blown the victim away when he opened the door.

    When guns are illegal, only pickaxe handles are handy to psycho net ragers.

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    1. Re:Psycho with a big heavy stick by silentounce · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because no one ever gets murdered with a firearm in the UK.

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    2. Re:Psycho with a big heavy stick by dylan_- · · Score: 1
      Yeah, because no one ever gets murdered with a firearm in the UK.
      There were 73 murders with firearms in the UK in 2004/05. The UK has a population of about 60 million. I believe that the USA has a population of 300 million, so the equivalent rate would be about 350 murders with firearms in a year. Was the actual number more or less than that?
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  66. I blame automobiles... by Vellmont · · Score: 1

    The two people lived 70 miles apart. Without the invention of the automobile this would be at least a 4 day trip both ways. Or maybe we can blame the pick-axe for this one. Without the damn pick-axe he'd have to attack him with his bare hands.

    The GP is right. The story has little to do with the internet. It has at least as much to do with automobiles as it does the internet.

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    1. Re:I blame automobiles... by AviLazar · · Score: 1

      The GP is right. The story has little to do with the internet. It has at least as much to do with automobiles as it does the internet.

      No, the story has everything to do with the net. It is not saying the net is at fault, it is giving a cautionary tale - don't put out information that will give people a chance to track you down, because someone might be crazy. If it wasn't for the Internet portion of the story, this would not have made more then local news.

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    2. Re:I blame automobiles... by Vellmont · · Score: 1


      it is giving a cautionary tale - don't put out information that will give people a chance to track you down , because someone might be crazy.

      And that's news? Duh. We all know there's crazy people in the world, it should come as no surprise that there's crazy people on the internet as well.

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    3. Re:I blame automobiles... by AviLazar · · Score: 1

      And that's news? Duh. We all know there's crazy people in the world, it should come as no surprise that there's crazy people on the internet as well.

      Nothing wrong with repeating past knowledge, it is how we keep it fresh in our minds....and it is not like they just came out - randomly - "hey as a reminder folks, don't be stupid"....no, something tragic happend and they took that as a chance to say "hey as a reminder folks, don't be stupid, or you could be dead like this guy"...which I think helps to reinforce the point...remember people are complacent...look at the way people treat security post 9/11...their main concern, wherever they go "it's inconvenient, wahhhh".....though I guess they would prefer the alternative right?

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  67. That Took a While by eno2001 · · Score: 1

    I know that I've been in some pretty heated debates with people myself wishing I could take a board to their heads. I hope this phenomena converges with "flash mobs". Just imagine the fun that could be had. (I'm a true anarchist at heart!)

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    1. Re:That Took a While by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      I don't think the flash-mob phenomenon would last long once people found out how dangerous they became, and especially when somebody decides to teleport in a bomb.

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    2. Re:That Took a While by eno2001 · · Score: 1

      Bah. Teleport is SOOOO Star Trek 1.0. Today, we SFTP the bombs where we want them.

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  68. yahoo chat is a ghetto by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    Yahoo Chat is full of pornbots with profiles containing links with a URL something like blogs.blogopt (a play on blogspot?) and they number in the thousands and constant spam the chatrooms...

    plus the trolls and social mis-fits with no life with nothing to do but fight & argue, i abandoned Yahoo completely earler this year because of the sorry state of chat and email with poor spam filters...

    yhoo is losing stock value big time too, i expect yahoo to be either bought or up for sale or auction soon...

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  69. Holy Crap! by Plutonite · · Score: 1

    70 miles? Even in GTA missions I wouldn't drive 70 miles to plant an axe in some poor schmuck's head. You've got to be a dedicated kind of killer to do that - a murderer with a yahoo chat room agenda. Ordinary murderers get bored/lose interest/get high before anything like 70 miles is behind them. Kudos to this guy. He has strengthened my faith in reality, and given us all a remarkable example of determination and endurance in the business of wacking the trolls.

    Like others have said however, if you're a nut on the tubes, you're a nut anywhere.

  70. I wondered why I liked it here so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    London really is a great place to lounge and idle (so long as you have money).

    The parent should be modded Informative.

    1. Re:I wondered why I liked it here so much. by Marcion · · Score: 1

      Indeed, also despite its repuation, Clacton is a rather nice place too.

  71. This being a supposed "first", by LS · · Score: 1

    should they already be coining a term "web-rage" for it??

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  72. Lowest Common Denominator by Tisha_AH · · Score: 1

    In polite society you do not verbally assult someone you disagree with. It was a common opinion that if the best you could do in a discussion was to insult or threaten it pointed to a weakness in your own intellect and that you were uncouth at best. Amongst rational, intelligent people you may have a passionate discussion, make your point (or counterpoint) and still remain civil. Maybe it is the belief that the Internet, email, chat rooms or IRC are anonymous and you can be as ignorant and belligerent as you can. There was a time when people put much thought into the written word. Eg, letters, newspaper articles and in public speaking. At the moment, personal communication through chat, email or blogs is the most base form of expression. You can see "evolution in action" (thanks Larry Niven for that phrase) on the Jerry Springer Show. That is what is becoming of human discourse. Eventually we will devolve back into screaming apes, throwing twigs at each other across tree-tops.

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  73. Hardly by ThousandStars · · Score: 1
    "It demonstrates how easily other users can put two and two together and also shows how children could also find themselves in danger."

    This only demonstrates that the Internet is merely a conduit human behavior; all the things, whether condoned by society or not, that have been going on for thousands if not millions of years, simply move online.

  74. PWND! by curecollector · · Score: 1

    A man drove seventy miles to assault his victim with a pick-axe handle after they exchanged insults in a Yahoo! chat room.

    Subject says it all...

  75. 1992 usenet murder by peter303 · · Score: 1

    In 1992 Dr. Frabricant ranted about slights from his collegues at Concordia university in sci.research.careers, before killing some of them. Usenet people thought this was another typical usenet flame war until the murder story appeared in the regular news. They we were horrified.

    1. Re:1992 usenet murder by Intron · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's a good thing this guy posted as AC.

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  76. Sorry not "rage" by kinglink · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Rage is something different then this. You don't have coherent thought, your unable to speak. I'd really doubt you'd be able to drive 70 miles in a "rage" to kill someone.

    This more "web-assholishness" which does exist but has been documented more then enough times.

    In conclusion rage != being really angry.

    Though I must admit he certainly "went the distance".

  77. Web Rage by sabaisabai · · Score: 1, Interesting

    (Please refrain from passing judgement on this, or calling me an idiot) I once dated this girl in another country. She had a boyfriend. I knew about that, but I didn't know him, so played some moral arithmetic to cancel everything out. One day he knocked on my door, having travelled from yet another country to come and find me. And he wasn't a happy camper. The moment I saw his face I knew what had happened. She'd left her email account open. My emails came from a domain registered by me. My home address was in the registration. Not smart at all. But hell can I empathise with this story. People on the Internet are real. Heck, I'm real, and a punch still hurts no matter what the techno-background of the story.

  78. But, what if the victim was Jack Thompson? by elrous0 · · Score: 1
    Come on, admit it. There are some people that would make darn tempting targets if you had proximity and an axe handle.

    -Eric

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  79. risk reduction by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

    Yeah, because no one ever gets murdered with a firearm in the UK.

    Who ever said the world was perfect?
    The point is it's easier to kill with a gun than with a big stick and a knife, so when someone unstable is looking for a wepon, the harder it is to find a gun, the safer we are.

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    1. Re:risk reduction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "theme of your post" + "theme of your sig (in its original context)" = "hilarious mismatch"

  80. Web-Rage attack? by tweakt · · Score: 1

    No so different from a traditional web-page attack. With a pick-ax handle? Just a web attack, but in person... the guy got de-faced... It was de-facement... get it? *yawn*

  81. Islam by giafly · · Score: 1

    The Yahoo chatroom was called Islam 10.

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  82. this has nothing to do with the internet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and everything to do with the fact that these guys were regulars in some weird Islamic chatroom. I mean, in the times article it seems like one of the first things he did was brag to the people in the channel about how he cut the other guy's throat. Obviously this isn't your regular yahoo literati crowd.

  83. Lesson learned? by Antifuse · · Score: 1

    Don't be a twat on the internet, just because you think you're anonymous. Somebody will eventually snap, hunt you down, and beat you silly.

  84. uk, us travel to the other side of the globe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well as everyone posting here missed UK, US and the "coalition forces" went all the way to the other side of the globe to beat the f@#$%@3ing crap outta millions of people as well as killing them. Now bbc doesn't go into question whether this is a "civilized" or sane act. Nowhere in the official news take these actions as savage. The whole article is at best cynical and worthless. I think police should arrest all those involve in the occupation, including blairwitch, bush and et.al, and question their sanity. I mean it would be fun to see a slashdot post, "Third, or fourth, TVnews-attack, internet-brouhaha-attack on third coutnries..." ha ha ha

    get a grip lusrs

  85. Pick axe handle..?? by carn1fex · · Score: 1

    What kind of internet showdown is that?? Clearly he should have used the Bastard Sword of G'lyea with the +3 stamina mod.

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  86. Re:Won't someone think of the children? by torqer · · Score: 1

    At least they are using a hammer and not a pickaxe.

  87. MOD PARENT UP!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is way more related to the cold blooded violence than the fact that is in the Internet or in Britain or whatever.

    In fact, expect much more 'Internet' violence as soon as the muslims learn more to use the technology.

    Posting anonymously because I want to keep my head on my neck.

  88. *-Rage by mgmatrix · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This underscores the concept that any communication medium is only as safe/dangerous as the people using it. I am sure there have been cases of "FAX Rage" too, but that is not sexy enough to make the news.

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  89. Ban chat rooms and pick axes! by RexRhino · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Clearly the problem is that pick axes and chat rooms are too easy to access to the general public. It is madness that any person can just boot up their computer and access a chat room, or just walk into a hardware store and purchase a pick axe, with no sort of government supervision or licencing. It is undeniable that if chat rooms and pick axes were restricted the same way firearms are restricted now, then a brutal chat-room-pick-axe attacks like this would have never happened.

    How anyone can look at this violent crime, and not support chat-room-control and pick-axe control is proof that they are brainwashed by the chat room industry and the pick-axe industry!

  90. Would I? hell yea! by chinard · · Score: 1

    the guy probably ninja'd his thorium vein in WoW.

    Definitly best to carry this out with a pickaxe.

  91. MOD: +1 (Shot coffee out of nose) (NT) by 2bitcomputers · · Score: 1

    NT

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  92. Gun Control by robertjw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Umm... we only have to ban pick-axe handles, he didn't attack him with the actual pick-axe.

    That aside, if it wasn't for the UK's stupid gun control laws he could have met the guy at the door with a 12 gauge rather than a kitchen knife.

    1. Re:Gun Control by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      And the two guys with the pick-axe handle and the machete would instead have their own guns.

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    2. Re:Gun Control by robertjw · · Score: 1

      Exactly, way more efficient.

  93. Maybe people will start behaving more courteously by jjn1056 · · Score: 1

    if they think needlessly insulting someone could cause them to get unexpected and violent visitors.

    I'm serious actually, we seem to have built a society wehre it's normal to score points by getting in peoples faces and not even spending a second thinking about stuff from someone else's point of view. I'm not just talking about schoolyard teasing either. It's become normal to think people are weak if they show the ability to consider not just their immediate interests when expressing their viewpoints.

    Learning to control your desire to dump on someone that is somehow offensive to you is like an early childhood lesson, or it should be.

    Couple that with the general frustration people are feeling (at least over her in the US) with how stagnant wage is and how hard it is to afford the basics of education, healthcare and retirement and you got a bad mix of emotions.

    It doesn't help that the current US gov't is teaching a new generation that violence is an acceptable solution to problems, but I guess people could have more than one view on that.

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  94. And no one said the obvious by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 1

    PWNED!

    Sheesh Slashdot is letting me down these days...

  95. UK Nanny State by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I suppose the UK will ban pick axe handles now. They've already banned certain kitchen knives and jsut about all guns. Next will be banning anger.

  96. Not a mirror, but the printer-friendly version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The normal URL won't load for me, but this one does (I got it from the mirrordot copy)

    http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/n ews.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6059726.stm

  97. Quick learners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The pair met in an internet chatroom called Yahoo, Islam 10 as both had an interest in the Muslim faith"
    Guess they're getting the hang of it then.....

  98. Laws by dredson · · Score: 1

    Obviously we need laws making it illegal to communicate on the internet.

  99. Say it isn't so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hard to believe a member of the Muslim faith would overreact and become violent at an imagined insult.

  100. New Law by mistralol · · Score: 1


    I suppose because this is releated to the internet that they will now have to create a new law for this sort of offence so that people are aware that it can happen. But the sentance will be 3 times worse than a normal attack ?

  101. Reavers! Run! by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

    "theme of your post" + "theme of your sig (in its original context)" = "hilarious mismatch"

    Yeah, I like fiction that doesn't apply to real life :)

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  102. Series of tubes by ajohn505 · · Score: 0

    This is a good reason to keep the tubes small enough that man with an axe-handle can't fit through.

  103. Oh sweet vigilante justice! by unsigned+integer · · Score: 1

    Why do I have little sympathy for someone being an asshat, saying things you'd never say to someone else's face, and getting attacked for it?

    Just can't put my finger on it .....

  104. Chat room on Islam? by cobras2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wow, I find it interesting that there's only one tiny small eeenie weenie reference to this fact mentioned anywhere that I saw:

    "The court was told that Mr Jones, 43, had posted personal details about himself online and used his real name when participating in a Yahoo! chatroom dedicated to Islam, where he met Gibbons." - from http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2409469, 00.html

    What a surprise, an act of violence occurs after some people were in a chatroom about that peaceful religion we kep hearing about lately, Islam, and furthermore, the media barely even mentions the fact. They don't even say whether Gibbons, or Jones, or both, were muslims - I for one would actualy like to know whether it was the muslim getting beat up, or the muslim doing the beating (or both).
    Really, I would like to know. Does anyone have any other links giving more detail on the story?

    Anyway, I don't mean to start a religious flame war here, but it makes it hard when this whole big 'first case in britain of web rage' headline comes along - and it's about an argument on an Islamic chat room.

    AND PEOPLE DON'T EVEN NOTICE.

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  105. Obligatory.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I, for one, Welcome our new axe-handle wielding Overlords!

  106. No surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All the loonies have a modem