I don't believe there is any abivalence present. I can do both quite well (praise the funding while berating the party/Bush), thank you very much.
In fact, "shooting fish in a barrel" comes to mind with the berating portion of the dichotomy.
The hard part has always been "where to start". I usually let the other individual involved in the discourse bring a topic up first to avoid this difficulty. It makes it much easier this way. Otherwise, educating some of these people would take days. Bringing out resources, injecting logic/reasoning, teaching how to think critically, etc... You know, being a smart individual that questions everything in order to not fall prey to propaganda. Basically...
*knock knock*
...BRB. Some guys in black suits just showed up. I should return in just a seco...
...
...
We... er, I mean I retract all I have said... have a safe day.
Nail on the head. We are expected to pay, because we were the ones that wanted to invade. Seems simple enough.
I did not support the war, in fact, I haven't found one good reason to invade... not one outside of greed for mideast control/oil. So, when I see these web sites that list what we could have done with that money, it makes by blood boil. How Bush retained his job is so far beyond any reason that I am completely convinced that many of the people that voted for Bush simply did not have enough information to make an informed decision.
I'm in my early 30's. Card me all you want at the counter. Grand Theft Auto should not be in the hands of minors anyway. But at the same time present me, a "grown-up", with the choice of titles with pure adult content.
Then we will all be happy. Well, until they decide to take their crusade further, which is the fear I suppose.
Studies have constistently shown that areas effected by natural disasters slightly shift democratic. 4 hurricanes should have had the opposite effect. Bushy's "visits" were merely matter of course.
The same studie showing no irregularities in Ohio actually underscore the premise. Thanks for including that.
Style? How much R&D money does creative have to spend to make their player "stylish" when opposed the the R&D of making a technically superior player? They can't make their player look good becuase Apple already has a good looking player out there? Yikes.
I have used Creatives player, and my wifes original iPod is more functional. FW, mount HD, VERY easy to navigate, text is very clear, iTunes, iTMS, etc...
No, Creative needs to do much more, I'm sorry... cheap does not have anything to do with an inability to "stylishly" design the damn plastic around the good stuff inside, or to make it as intuitive as humanly possible. The iPod wins there, hands down.
I agree with your assessment. I, at times, simplify for the sheer sake of casting a net over as many as possible. Arguing further becomes an easy task at that point.
I thank you for doing just that, and quite deftly I might add. I do, however, feel strongly that purchasing oil from Iraq over Kuwait and the uncertainty of what that new paradigm would have suggested was part of the decision making process, however minute it truly was as you pointed out.
" am not generally in favor of unions--they tend to cause certain problems"
Yeah, those silly workers don't need any bargaining power. Screw 'em. The labor movement was a farce. Fuck em. We are about productivity baby! Money, power, leverage for the ones on the top, the ones that don't need any leverage... they ARE the leverage! Mwuuhaaahaaahaaahaaa!
Yeah, those silly unions. We should just re-instate slave labor and sweatshops. Man that would be AWESOME!
Ahhh, a CEO can dream, can't he? I mean those union people are lazy and stupid. We have even found a few abusing their power. God I hate the little people. I mean I really hate them. Always wanting rights such as living wages, safe working conditions, non-discrimination, enforcing corporate accountability for things such as planned 12/7 work days...
This was Saddam's true fault in the U.S. gov's eyes. It wasn't killing his own people (gassing the Kurds), we supported him right through that atrocity with full diplomacy. It was disobeying orders, or at least misinterpreting them by invading Kuwait. Kuwait had oil.
People being murdered actually is almost never the reason the U.S. gets involved. It's not in our "national interest". Look at Darfur. 10k were being murdered a month. We gave them 200 mil and stayed out of if. Iraq, on the other hand, was worth thousands of American lives, and 200 BILLION. You see, Iraq had oil, Iraq was an easy target as they had no army, no air-force... nothing, (easy to conquer, not to build obviously), etc... This made them the "perfect" target to set precedent for preVENTIVE war, one of the most horrific prospects of our time. To spread fear, and to also set precedent for unilateral action at any point, no matter what the rest of the world thinks.
The evidence against any U.S. moral high ground when it comes to reasons to "help others" (/invade, bomb, kill, etc...) was lost decades ago. No one accept the ill-informed believe any of that crap anymore.
"Oh, it's in violation of a treaty? I'm sure the Bush Administration will back off immediately once they find that out given their consistant respect for international law and unwavering dedication to peace in our time."
No kidding. Let's see...
Treaties revoked by George W. Bush.
The biodiversity Treaty
The Geneva Conventions
The Forest Protection Treaty
The Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty
The Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty
1972 Anti-Ballistic Missle Treaty
The 1972 Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention
The 1979 UN Convention on the Elimination of all forms of Discrimination agains Women
The UN International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights
The Chemical Weapons Convention
The International Criminal Court (Nicaragua anyone?)
We rule by force, and screw anyone who tries to tell us differenet. It's the new American paradigm, and it's beyond ludicrous. PreVENTIVE war, screw treaties and international law, screw any moral high ground we may have had in the past. Welcome to our nightmare...
Ah yes, the Farenhype 9/11 guys. Claiming to be bi-partisan with Zell Miller and Ann Coulter as bi-partisan is quite literally insane. Moore does go overboard with some insinuation, I will admit that outright, but my goodness, that entire page was from a guy that is in that "bi-partisan" trash. I read half of it, and thought it was quite nit-picky, completely missing the big picture most of the times.
"Four years later, and the country is even MORE divided than before, largely due to the acts of Mr. Bush and his administration during his presidency."
And remember, this was even after one of the most unifying events in US history... 9/11. Yes, Bush has done a swell job of unification. (I swear half this country shares a single brain cell).
"In a country like the United States that was founded on the principals of freedom, free exchange of ideas and diversity among other things, it is truly unbelievable someone like Mr. Bush could ever become a president."
More to the point, how in the world does he get a second term?!?! How are half of us not saying things like "oops, my bad. Sorry!", and then vote him out, but a second term?! I can't help but think half this country is severely lacking information needed to make the correct decisions anymore. Corporate led news is destroying the very notion of the fact that "an informed public is the best defense against tyranny." Many US citizens are simply being duped for ratings.
We simply have ignorant people voting by the seat of their pants. If they actually think that their particular religious "faith-based" beliefs are in dire need of defending, or that Kerry would have "let-up" on the terrorist front, and that these things are what is most important in this world, then we are seriously fucked beyond belief. Canada is big enough for half of us. We'll let the growing fascist state revel in their own crap. They can have it.
The growing similarity between current Bush supporter thinking and many regimes we have called enemy in the past is highly disturbing. I sure wish they could realize this...
Been doing this for years. A quick look on versiontracker.com finds a few tools to do just this, and you have been able to for quite some time. (yes, on my Mac)
It seems that a democracy is what we want, but what we have is a methodically run industrialized corporate America (exacerbated by Bush... big time), which is different.
I simply think the original poster is confused and angry for good reason, but simply lacks the articulation formed by research.
Some quotes of interest:
"Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea. Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations. This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted."
-- Dwight D. Eisenhower.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country... corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war."
-- Abraham Lincoln
"Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception."
-- Mark Twain
"...somebody has to take governments' place, and business seems to me to be a logical entity to do it."
-- David Rockefeller
"Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear - kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor - with the cry of grave national emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil at home or some monstrous foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not
blindly rally behind it..."
-- General Douglas MacArthur
There's a million of them, it's just a shame none of us realize them for what they are... lessons to be learned.
So, read people's second hand versions instead of viewing the real thing? Which took longer?
Anyway, while shielding yourself and working hard at not seeing it seems very silly, you could just peruse his very long list of references for every remark in his movie. Kinda makes those "it's all lies!" people seem mentally challenged, but that's just me.
You see, some of us are smart enough to apply critical thinking to all info ingested, so watching FF 9/11 was very simply an entertaining way of gaining insight into a few things that I was merely mildly aware of, and it was well worth the two hours. 90% of the information contained within was not new to the informed (which would be very few Americans), but the sheer genius of the mode of communication (he won Cannes because it was an extremely well made movie) was worth the watch. I will also watch Rush's anti-Kerry movie for the same reason. I like learning things... first hand. I trust my own critical thinking more than anyone else's (most don't apply critical thinking anyway), and that's the way it should be.
And if you don't think learning about the agenda of the most powerful man on the planet is "useful", then jeebus, you have some serious value list problems.
See this.
If "over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology" isn't good enough for you, then start here to research our gov's own documents, and then go here and dismiss these reports with "swamp gas" or "venus" or "a flock of birds". And lastly, read "UFOs and the National Security State", one of the very best and most referenced book on the subject using our own gov's documents once again.
This "we may contact other intelligent creatures someday" is a complete and utter farce.
If "over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology" isn't good enough for you, then start here to research our gov's own documents, and then go here and dismiss these reports with "swamp gas" or "venus" or "a flock of birds". And when you're done there, pick up Richard Dolan's UFOs and the National Security State", possibly the best referenced and researched book on the subject.
This "we may contact other intelligent creatures someday" is a farce. They are here and have been for millenia.
If "over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology" isn't good enough for you, then start hereto research our gov's own documents, and then go here and dismiss these reports with "swamp gas" or "venus" or "a flock of birds".
This "we may contact other intelligent creatures someday" is a farce. They are here and have been for millenia. SETI is merely a lightning rod for distraction, nothing more.
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I don't believe there is any abivalence present. I can do both quite well (praise the funding while berating the party/Bush), thank you very much.
...BRB. Some guys in black suits just showed up. I should return in just a seco...
...
...
In fact, "shooting fish in a barrel" comes to mind with the berating portion of the dichotomy.
The hard part has always been "where to start". I usually let the other individual involved in the discourse bring a topic up first to avoid this difficulty. It makes it much easier this way. Otherwise, educating some of these people would take days. Bringing out resources, injecting logic/reasoning, teaching how to think critically, etc... You know, being a smart individual that questions everything in order to not fall prey to propaganda. Basically...
*knock knock*
We... er, I mean I retract all I have said... have a safe day.
Nail on the head. We are expected to pay, because we were the ones that wanted to invade. Seems simple enough.
I did not support the war, in fact, I haven't found one good reason to invade... not one outside of greed for mideast control/oil. So, when I see these web sites that list what we could have done with that money, it makes by blood boil. How Bush retained his job is so far beyond any reason that I am completely convinced that many of the people that voted for Bush simply did not have enough information to make an informed decision.
I digress...
...more adult content.
I'm in my early 30's. Card me all you want at the counter. Grand Theft Auto should not be in the hands of minors anyway. But at the same time present me, a "grown-up", with the choice of titles with pure adult content.
Then we will all be happy. Well, until they decide to take their crusade further, which is the fear I suppose.
"Why again should I try iTunes?"
So... you haven't even tried it yet and yet here you are denouncing it? Yikes...
Here's one... all of those features you want, are in one place. iTunes. How is that not better? Interesting ideed...
Bzzzt! Wrong.
Studies have constistently shown that areas effected by natural disasters slightly shift democratic. 4 hurricanes should have had the opposite effect. Bushy's "visits" were merely matter of course.
The same studie showing no irregularities in Ohio actually underscore the premise. Thanks for including that.
That doesn't make any sense.
Style? How much R&D money does creative have to spend to make their player "stylish" when opposed the the R&D of making a technically superior player? They can't make their player look good becuase Apple already has a good looking player out there? Yikes.
I have used Creatives player, and my wifes original iPod is more functional. FW, mount HD, VERY easy to navigate, text is very clear, iTunes, iTMS, etc...
No, Creative needs to do much more, I'm sorry... cheap does not have anything to do with an inability to "stylishly" design the damn plastic around the good stuff inside, or to make it as intuitive as humanly possible. The iPod wins there, hands down.
I agree with your assessment. I, at times, simplify for the sheer sake of casting a net over as many as possible. Arguing further becomes an easy task at that point.
I thank you for doing just that, and quite deftly I might add. I do, however, feel strongly that purchasing oil from Iraq over Kuwait and the uncertainty of what that new paradigm would have suggested was part of the decision making process, however minute it truly was as you pointed out.
Thanks again.
" am not generally in favor of unions--they tend to cause certain problems"
Yeah, those silly workers don't need any bargaining power. Screw 'em. The labor movement was a farce. Fuck em. We are about productivity baby! Money, power, leverage for the ones on the top, the ones that don't need any leverage... they ARE the leverage! Mwuuhaaahaaahaaahaaa!
Yeah, those silly unions. We should just re-instate slave labor and sweatshops. Man that would be AWESOME!
Ahhh, a CEO can dream, can't he? I mean those union people are lazy and stupid. We have even found a few abusing their power. God I hate the little people. I mean I really hate them. Always wanting rights such as living wages, safe working conditions, non-discrimination, enforcing corporate accountability for things such as planned 12/7 work days...
Correct.
This was Saddam's true fault in the U.S. gov's eyes. It wasn't killing his own people (gassing the Kurds), we supported him right through that atrocity with full diplomacy. It was disobeying orders, or at least misinterpreting them by invading Kuwait. Kuwait had oil.
People being murdered actually is almost never the reason the U.S. gets involved. It's not in our "national interest". Look at Darfur. 10k were being murdered a month. We gave them 200 mil and stayed out of if. Iraq, on the other hand, was worth thousands of American lives, and 200 BILLION. You see, Iraq had oil, Iraq was an easy target as they had no army, no air-force... nothing, (easy to conquer, not to build obviously), etc... This made them the "perfect" target to set precedent for preVENTIVE war, one of the most horrific prospects of our time. To spread fear, and to also set precedent for unilateral action at any point, no matter what the rest of the world thinks.
The evidence against any U.S. moral high ground when it comes to reasons to "help others" (/invade, bomb, kill, etc...) was lost decades ago. No one accept the ill-informed believe any of that crap anymore.
The evidence is overwhelming.
I thought this was going to be a story about a Macintosh Cube render farm.
"Oh, it's in violation of a treaty? I'm sure the Bush Administration will back off immediately once they find that out given their consistant respect for international law and unwavering dedication to peace in our time."
No kidding. Let's see...
Treaties revoked by George W. Bush.
The biodiversity Treaty
The Geneva Conventions
The Forest Protection Treaty
The Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty
The Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty
1972 Anti-Ballistic Missle Treaty
The 1972 Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention
The 1979 UN Convention on the Elimination of all forms of Discrimination agains Women
The UN International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights
The Chemical Weapons Convention
The International Criminal Court (Nicaragua anyone?)
We rule by force, and screw anyone who tries to tell us differenet. It's the new American paradigm, and it's beyond ludicrous. PreVENTIVE war, screw treaties and international law, screw any moral high ground we may have had in the past. Welcome to our nightmare...
Ah yes, the Farenhype 9/11 guys. Claiming to be bi-partisan with Zell Miller and Ann Coulter as bi-partisan is quite literally insane. Moore does go overboard with some insinuation, I will admit that outright, but my goodness, that entire page was from a guy that is in that "bi-partisan" trash. I read half of it, and thought it was quite nit-picky, completely missing the big picture most of the times.
"Four years later, and the country is even MORE divided than before, largely due to the acts of Mr. Bush and his administration during his presidency."
And remember, this was even after one of the most unifying events in US history... 9/11. Yes, Bush has done a swell job of unification. (I swear half this country shares a single brain cell).
"In a country like the United States that was founded on the principals of freedom, free exchange of ideas and diversity among other things, it is truly unbelievable someone like Mr. Bush could ever become a president."
More to the point, how in the world does he get a second term?!?! How are half of us not saying things like "oops, my bad. Sorry!", and then vote him out, but a second term?! I can't help but think half this country is severely lacking information needed to make the correct decisions anymore. Corporate led news is destroying the very notion of the fact that "an informed public is the best defense against tyranny." Many US citizens are simply being duped for ratings.
We simply have ignorant people voting by the seat of their pants. If they actually think that their particular religious "faith-based" beliefs are in dire need of defending, or that Kerry would have "let-up" on the terrorist front, and that these things are what is most important in this world, then we are seriously fucked beyond belief. Canada is big enough for half of us. We'll let the growing fascist state revel in their own crap. They can have it.
The growing similarity between current Bush supporter thinking and many regimes we have called enemy in the past is highly disturbing. I sure wish they could realize this...
Been doing this for years. A quick look on versiontracker.com finds a few tools to do just this, and you have been able to for quite some time. (yes, on my Mac)
It seems that a democracy is what we want, but what we have is a methodically run industrialized corporate America (exacerbated by Bush... big time), which is different.
... corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war."
..."
I simply think the original poster is confused and angry for good reason, but simply lacks the articulation formed by research.
Some quotes of interest:
"Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea. Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations. This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted."
-- Dwight D. Eisenhower.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country
-- Abraham Lincoln
"Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception."
-- Mark Twain
"...somebody has to take governments' place, and business seems to me to be a logical entity to do it."
-- David Rockefeller
"Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear - kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor - with the cry of grave national emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil at home or some monstrous foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it
-- General Douglas MacArthur
There's a million of them, it's just a shame none of us realize them for what they are... lessons to be learned.
So, read people's second hand versions instead of viewing the real thing? Which took longer?
Anyway, while shielding yourself and working hard at not seeing it seems very silly, you could just peruse his very long list of references for every remark in his movie. Kinda makes those "it's all lies!" people seem mentally challenged, but that's just me.
You see, some of us are smart enough to apply critical thinking to all info ingested, so watching FF 9/11 was very simply an entertaining way of gaining insight into a few things that I was merely mildly aware of, and it was well worth the two hours. 90% of the information contained within was not new to the informed (which would be very few Americans), but the sheer genius of the mode of communication (he won Cannes because it was an extremely well made movie) was worth the watch. I will also watch Rush's anti-Kerry movie for the same reason. I like learning things... first hand. I trust my own critical thinking more than anyone else's (most don't apply critical thinking anyway), and that's the way it should be.
And if you don't think learning about the agenda of the most powerful man on the planet is "useful", then jeebus, you have some serious value list problems.
Ahh yes, FoxNews. It's actually been proven, watching FoxNews makes you stupid.
Heh heh. Ahh yes, Bart's library check out. Love it!
See this. If "over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology" isn't good enough for you, then start here to research our gov's own documents, and then go here and dismiss these reports with "swamp gas" or "venus" or "a flock of birds". And lastly, read "UFOs and the National Security State", one of the very best and most referenced book on the subject using our own gov's documents once again.
This "we may contact other intelligent creatures someday" is a complete and utter farce.
I would just like to ask, who gives a flying fuck? Kerry didn't write the tax code, did he?
Jeez.
Nails on the head.
See this.
If "over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology" isn't good enough for you, then start here to research our gov's own documents, and then go here and dismiss these reports with "swamp gas" or "venus" or "a flock of birds". And when you're done there, pick up Richard Dolan's UFOs and the National Security State", possibly the best referenced and researched book on the subject.
This "we may contact other intelligent creatures someday" is a farce. They are here and have been for millenia.
...or, we (liberals) just don't watch FoxNews.
I've been using a nearly identical, albeit older version of this image for my DT for years. It was time for an update... so thanks.
They are here.
If "over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology" isn't good enough for you, then start hereto research our gov's own documents, and then go here and dismiss these reports with "swamp gas" or "venus" or "a flock of birds".
This "we may contact other intelligent creatures someday" is a farce. They are here and have been for millenia. SETI is merely a lightning rod for distraction, nothing more.