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Cube Farm

Sarusa writes "Stop me if you've heard this one: Bright, innocent, bushytailed overachiever geek, inexorably crushed by the harsh realities of corporate America, turns into paranoid shaven-headed slacker (and Church of the Subgenius minister) who sees conspiracy theories under every rock. 'Heard it?' you sneer, 'I've lived it!' So why would you want to read a book about it? Cube Farm by Bill Blunden proves that if nothing else, you can always serve as a bad example." Read on for the rest of Sarusa's review. Cube Farm author Bill Blunden pages 150 publisher Apress rating 7 reviewer Sarusa ISBN 1590594037 summary Welcome to Hell, here's your cube.

The book chronicles Blunden's travails as a fresh Cornell grad finding out his degree is useless. After waiting tables, he discovers Java is hot, and gets a job in the incredibly dysfunctional R&D department of Lawson Software, one of those companies that makes horribly dull but necessary business software. Young Blunden is shunted from one doomed project to the next as internal divisions compete with each other (and internally) for territory. The code base is millions of lines of ancient K&R C with all the comments stripped out (!) for speed of compilation. Only a few people understand the entire system to any degree, and these Illuminati crush any attempt to create or disseminate any documentation since that would erode their power base. Any projects that might threaten their monopoly are dispatched by the simple expedient of not responding to any emails or phone calls or attending meetings.

Cube Farm is written in a conversational, semi-edgy style that I found very easy to read, though occasionally annoying when it gets too hip. The subject is technical, but the theme is purely human foible, and Blunden makes an effort to make things understandable even by the non-geeky. So you don't have to be a nerd to understand the book - it would sure help you appreciate it, though.

Important characters are assigned descriptive names such as the Puppet Master, the Godfather, the Wax Master, Mike and Ike, and the Mad Hungarian. This may sound a bit cheap, but works well and makes it easy to keep track of the defectis personae. Everything is well partitioned, and Dance of Death woodcuts enliven the pages.

The obvious question, Why you would read something so horribly depressing? There are only negative lessons to be learned here. Well, in many ways Cube Farm is the informal, nasty version of what you'd get by reading books like Death March (Yourdon, 2003 2nd ed), Herding Cats (Rainwater, 2002), and Software Runaways (Glass, 1997). You can learn a lot from a bad example, like what it means if they won't say Yes or No. Perhaps it'll make you feel better about your own company, which is probably not quite this screwed up. Or there's always good ol' schadenfreude.

Would you give this book to an eager young programmer? Either it would be a bit like taking a sledgehammer to a kitten, or (more likely) it would just all cascade off, unheeded -- "obviously, this could never happen to me." For everyone else, if you've had at least one job or failed project under your belt you might find this horrifically fascinating, similar to watching Repligator. It might help with your next (knock on wood) fine project. Finally, it's a quick read, so I felt my time was well (or at least enjoyably) spent.

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306 comments

  1. I saw the movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    And the sequel Hypercube... and it was just okay.

    1. Re:I saw the movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The book is significantly different from the movie. It's a parady of communism, and introduces the concept that "All cubes are created equal, just some more equal than others."

    2. Re:I saw the movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, they really should have just stopped at the perfection that is "Gleaming the Cube."

    3. Re:I saw the movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course. Time Cube: The Quickening was just dreadful.

    4. Re:I saw the movie by UserGoogol · · Score: 2, Funny

      You simply do not understand the full consequences of the harmonic 4-day time creation.

      --
      "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." -- Hanlon's Razor
    5. Re:I saw the movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ugh. You know the sad thing is that I haven't been to that that site in a good 2-3 years at least, and it STILL has infected me enough to allow me to make that post and laugh at your response.

    6. Re:I saw the movie by KlomDark · · Score: 1

      OK, that's a new one to me. What in the fuck is that site all about? :)

  2. the last thing by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 4, Funny

    The last thing I want to do after living this for 8 hours a day is to go home and read about it.

    1. Re:the last thing by SimonShine · · Score: 0

      Maybe it will serve as a warning to those that do not yet live like this because they are in school. No, I do not have an alternative. :)

      --
      Take off every 'ZIG' !!
    2. Re:the last thing by tickticker · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well then maybe an extra few hours a day will change your mind.

      Your Boss

    3. Re:the last thing by Alizarin+Erythrosin · · Score: 0

      Only 8 hours a day?! Wow, I want your job!

      --
      There are only 10 kinds of people in this world... those who understand binary and those who don't
    4. Re:the last thing by Hyecee · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Heh, the god(s) must be watching over me. I literally just finished writing a journal entry about my sad, pathetic situation, and the first news story I come across is about more people like me. At least I'm not alone in the world!

    5. Re:the last thing by Pxtl · · Score: 1

      One good Cube deserves another.

    6. Re:the last thing by Pxtl · · Score: 1

      Damn. Lets try that again: one good Cube deserves another.

      I suck.

    7. Re:the last thing by SageMusings · · Score: 1

      Try 13 hours a day. Where do you work and on what type of project?

      --
      -- Posted from my parent's basement
    8. Re:the last thing by sapgau · · Score: 1

      Sorry to hear about your debts. Make an effort to stick to your budget and make sure your loans allow you to pay more than the expected monthly amount. If you are not allowed to do that then try to refinance as much as possible.

      By doing this you can cut a substantial amount of time for paying it off.

      Hope this helps.

      p.s. You might need to learn how to cook, you'll be amazed how much money is spent on those daily trips to McDonalds or the pizza place.
      p.p.s. Your education is one of your best investments, try to get the most of it whenever you can.

    9. Re:the last thing by maximilln · · Score: 0, Troll

      p.s. You might need to learn how to cook, you'll be amazed how much money is spent on those daily trips to McDonalds or the pizza place

      This has got to be one of the oldest "holier than thou" lines of B***S*** I have ever read.

      Anyone who learns how to cook, properly, will easily spend twice as much cooking for themselves as they spent at McDs. If you want to really save money by buying groceries then don't learn to cook. Convert to a diet consisting entirely of prepackaged frozen food (tv dinners, pizza), soup, and oatmeal.

      I've learned how to cook and it definitely doesn't save money.

      --
      +++ATHZ 99:5:80
    10. Re:the last thing by Hyecee · · Score: 1

      Thank you for your advice. I will keep it in mind.

      Thankfully, while I'm not the greatest cook, I have become good friends with large bowls of rice and $1 pot pies. Both veeery cheap meals, but tasty anyhow!

    11. Re:the last thing by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Convert to a diet consisting entirely of prepackaged frozen food (tv dinners, pizza), soup, and oatmeal.

      You can use the money you save to pay for the heart attack you will get at 45 or 50.

      --
      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
    12. Re:the last thing by eric76 · · Score: 1

      My noon meal today, which I cooked myself, cost me less than $2.00 for the ingredients.

      And it was nearly as good as anything at the best restraunt in town.

      The nearest McDonald's is 35 miles away and I've never even been tempted to stop there.

    13. Re:the last thing by Reene · · Score: 1

      What kind of meals are you cooking, and what kind of food are you using to make them with? This is one of those occasions in which knowing how to shop smartly (for more than computer equipment) is necessary.

      A trip to the nearest Costco, that friendly neighborhood wholesale warehouse, will cost me about 300 bucks (or more) in the short term but I'll be set on food for months, leaving only the short-term perishables (like milk, eggs, bread, etc) for me to buy from the more expensive local supermarkets like Safeway.

      If you do the math, the long-term savings you garner this way become apparent. It's certainly cheaper than shelling out $2.50 for a microwavable pizza every night, or more realistically $5 or more for a meal from [insert fast food place of choice].

      Add onto this the ability to make LARGE meals and you're set. Every now and then I set aside one day a week and make a dish or two of cheese manicotti or chicken enchiladas. What I can't eat I give to friends and the rest is easily microwaved for the next weak into a cheap, easy, and tasty meal.

      So the trick does lie in cooking for yourself, but going about obtaining the food for it is where you need to be careful.

      --
      "He does look a bit Oompa like, even if his Loompa is a bit off-kilter."
    14. Re:the last thing by cknight52 · · Score: 1

      That's not quite true. I spend about 50 bucks a week on food for 3 people. Just because you know how to cook properly doesn't mean you have to have veal smothered in white truffles everyday.

    15. Re:the last thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suck.

      How much do you charge?

      I randomly moderate down people who describe their abuses of the mod and metamod system in their sigs.

      That sounds like abuse of the mod and metamod system to me. Mod this guy (girl?) down!

    16. Re:the last thing by Johnny5000 · · Score: 1

      The nearest McDonald's is 35 miles away and I've never even been tempted to stop there.

      well, McDonalds isn't exactly the kind of place you travel 35 miles to get to. People eat McDonalds when they have $4 and 5 minutes to spare.

      --
      The libertarian solution to the failures of capitalism is to apply more capitalism til the failures are fixed.
    17. Re:the last thing by NardofDoom · · Score: 1
      five pound bag of rice - $3
      Five one-half pound chicken breasts - $7.50
      Five small onions (2.5 pounds total) - $2.50
      One small container of chili powder - $3
      Salt & Pepper - $0.50 1/2 gallon of milk - $2 1 pound shredded taco cheese - $2

      That will feed your average geek for a week, assuming they drink only milk and water and the free coffee at the office. Total $20. If you cut out the chicken, it's $12.50.

      McDonalds costs about $4 for the same amount of "food." Of course, this also means that you're eating deep fried crap on a crap bun. The cheesy chicken and rice takes 20 minutes to make and is significantly healthier for you.

      You don't see people in third world countries living on McDonalds, do you? Of course not, because it's *expensive.*

      Sidenote: Whenever I see one of those commercials for Olive Garden's "All you can eat lunch" things, I wish I had $6 to blow on lunch every day.

      My food for today? 3 liters of free water and two cups of free coffee, plus a $4 meal at home.

      --
      You have two hands and one brain, so always code twice as much as you think!
    18. Re:the last thing by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

      Cooking isn't cheaper if it's just for one person.
      A lot of the food that you stock up on will go bad before one person can eat it all.

    19. Re:the last thing by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

      mostly I was just trying to be funny. My job isn't perfect but it's not as painful as this book seems to indicate cubicle life as being.

      I'm still just working to save money to start my own business, though. The USA is becoming a nation where only corporations have rights, and you never truly get ahead working for someone else anyway.

    20. Re:the last thing by smallfeet · · Score: 1
      Bloated and hyperactive. Man, you must be a treat to work with.

    21. Re:the last thing by llefler · · Score: 1

      You just have to make different choices on what you cook. Cook things that freeze well. I make spaghetti sauce and chili 5 quarts at a time. The pan I use for lasagna is huge. But I can fix those on a weekend and they will keep in the freezer for months.

      And if you're looking for really cheap, think beans, rice, and potatos.

      --
      It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit. -- Harry Truman
    22. Re:the last thing by belroth · · Score: 1
      Cooking isn't cheaper if it's just for one person.
      Which is why I have a freezer.
      When I was single I used to do a batch of tasty food at a weekend which I could freeze in portions for during the week when I came home from work. It was tastier and healthier than most of the cheap frozen stuff around. We still do this now even though there's less need, it's convenient.

      Just because you're eating alone doesn't mean you need to cook for one, economies of scale can still be made.

      A lot of the food that you stock up on will go bad before one person can eat it all.
      So don't buy too many perishables. Tinned, bottled and frozen food, as well as dry goods should last a while, plan ahead. You don't need lots of fresh fruit, vegetables and meat. The fruit and and veg are easy enough to buy as needed for most people and you can home freeze meat from the butcher, if you still have one, or the decent cuts from the supermarket.
      --
      I hereby inform you that I have NOT been required to provide any decryption keys.
    23. Re:the last thing by maximilln · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      That will feed your average geek for a week

      That's not learning to cook, though. You definitely need some green peppers with that. Rice doesn't cut it alone, either. Get some noodles. And butter. You want a snack? Try shredded cheese and diced and fried sausages. Everything must be lightly sauteed in oil. I'd better not catch you using crappy corn oil either. It'd better be high grapeseed or sesame oil for the vegetables and maybe I'll allow extra virgin olive oil for the chicken. How about cookware? A good set of the simplest cookware will cost $80. There are monetary barriers to get into cooking. Oh, you want a mixing bowl with that, or cutting boards? That's all extra.

      Of course not, because it's *expensive.*

      Expensive is $2.49/lb. for tomatoes when it takes 4 tomatos to make a single serving of tomato sauce. You want to make your own biscuits? Unless you're a baking prodigy you'd better figure on making at least 4 batches of biscuits which are just bad.

      Oh yeah, and try acing a bechamel sauce on your first try to make the food worth eating. If all they're living on is rice and chicken breast in some light vegetable broth they might as well eat at McD's or Burger King for $10/day.

      My food for today? 3 liters of free water and two cups of free coffee, plus a $4 meal at home

      Mine: 4L of iced tea (I make tea at night and then mix some with water to dilute for iced tea the next morning, every day, every night... 4L), some chocolate, and two glasses of porter.

      --
      +++ATHZ 99:5:80
    24. Re:the last thing by Bush+Pig · · Score: 1

      > Cook things that freeze well.

      I always do this, but my youngest son keeps bringing his little friends home, or the fuckers just turn up at meal times uninvited, and they eat it all given half a chance :(

      I wish they'd all just get jobs, then they'd be too busy and too tired to infest my house.

      --
      What a long, strange trip it's been.
    25. Re:the last thing by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      Cubicle life nowadays is nothing compared to cubicle life in the past without Internet. Ouch, now that's an impossible 8 hr if I am just staring a mechanical type writer all freaking day.

    26. Re:the last thing by Reene · · Score: 1

      Factor in extras like peppers and it still doesn't cost as much. And many of the things you mentioned (like various oils, noodles, butter and meats) are also buyable in bulk- Go Costco go!

      Plus, good cookware is a one-time investment if you take care of it. Or if you're lucky and have a nice family you can persuade them to purchase you some for a sort of housewarming gift.

      Though I admit it helps if you learn how to cook -before- you leave home and are therefore not monetarily responsible for any fuck-ups :) It's really a shame that there is such negativity associated in some places with men learning how to cook.

      --
      "He does look a bit Oompa like, even if his Loompa is a bit off-kilter."
    27. Re:the last thing by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

      no kidding. If I didn't have the net I'd be digging ditches for a living just to avoid the boredom.

    28. Re:the last thing by eric76 · · Score: 1

      Depending on where you live, you can often find a 7 or 8 pound ham on sale for less than $1 per pound. I've seem them as low as $0.49 per pound and often at $0.69 per pound in the last three years.

      If you get them that low, buy two and put one in the freezer.

      This does include bones, but it's still a good savings.

      Forget about baking the whole hame at once.

      Put it in the refrigerator and slice off what you need for a meal and fry it.

      Put it in lettuce and you have a pretty tasty salad.

      Mix (fried) with dry beans (pinto, anasazi, ...) when nearly done.

      Fried ham sandwiches are good.

      Stir fry with other vegetables.

      Mix with ramen noodles.

      I've made a $5 ham last for well over a week without any trouble at all.

  3. Don't need the book by Infinityis · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Would you give this book to an eager young programmer? Either it would be a bit like taking a sledgehammer to a kitten..."

    Goodness, how graphic. If someone wants eager young programmers to knock off kittens, there are alternatives.

    1. Re:Don't need the book by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 1

      Uhm... the eager young programmers will be on the *wrong* side of the sledgehammer. (Or the right side, depends on how you look at it)

      --
      - These characters were randomly selected.
    2. Re:Don't need the book by Orestesx · · Score: 4, Funny

      As they say, there's more than one way to take a sledgehammer to a kitten.

    3. Re:Don't need the book by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
      > "Would you give this book to an eager young programmer? Either it would be a bit like taking a sledgehammer to a kitten..."
      > Goodness, how graphic. If someone wants eager young programmers to knock off kittens, there are alternatives.

      Every time you post to Slashdot from work, your boss' kitten smashes a young programmer with a sledgehammer. Please, think of the young programmers.

    4. Re:Don't need the book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fark has a better way of dealing with those pesky kittens.

    5. Re:Don't need the book by YU+Nicks+NE+Way · · Score: 1

      I read that sentence, and was confused. "Taking a sledgehammer to a kitten" -- is that like "taking coals to Newcastle"? Or is it like "taking a shine to the newcomer"?

      Please, more context would be nice...

    6. Re:Don't need the book by bladesjester · · Score: 1

      *places a cute little kitten on the floor* meow.
      *picks up a 10lb long-hafted sledgehammer*
      *raises the hammer and takes aim at the kitten*

      I will leave the last step of this to your imagination as I tend to like kittens...

      --
      Everything I need to know I learned by killing smart people and eating their brains.
    7. Re:Don't need the book by EFGearman · · Score: 1

      Kitten. Sledgehammer. Nice kitten. *WHACK*

      --
      Atomic batteries to power! Turbines to speed!
    8. Re:Don't need the book by YU+Nicks+NE+Way · · Score: 1

      Joke. Head. Funny joke? *WHOOSH*

  4. From the first couple of sentences by Neil+Blender · · Score: 1

    This sounded like a book about Slashbots.

  5. Disenchantment by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I was disenchanted, frustrated, and paranoid in middle school (6th-8th grades). It got worse in high school. In college I gave up on learning anything in class because most of my profs were idiots. When I graduated, I got a job and realized that almost everyone I worked with, worked for, or had to suck up to was incompetent.

    I complained about all this, and you know what they told me? Welcome to the world.

    1. Re:Disenchantment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It took you until you graduated to figure this out? Were you paying for your degree?

    2. Re:Disenchantment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I enjoy the phrase "cynical enough to see the system, not motivated enough to exploit it."

      There's nothing worse than realizing everyone around you is incompetent and being lead around like sheep but not wanting to sell your soul to be in charge (i.e. politicians). You're just stuck somewhere in the middle.

    3. Re:Disenchantment by ltbarcly · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I doubt it. More likely you are just a prick who thinks everyone is dumb if they don't see things exactly the way you do, or if they disagree. I find it very very unlikely that you knew more than your professors in college, and then went on to a cookie cutter cube-job. Are you just that much of an underachiever? Something about your story just doesn't add up. You're smarter and more competent than everyone else, just like everybody else.

      Welcome to the world, hotshot.

      It is alot harder to be competent than to point out the incompetence of others. Noticing incompetence only requires the right knowledge on one topic at one moment in time, BEING competent requires the right knowledge/skill on every topic you deal with all the time, and the energy to actually do it.

    4. Re:Disenchantment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Remember all those times when you were a little boy, and your mommy told you how great you were?

      Well, now you know she was lying.

    5. Re:Disenchantment by Phixxr · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Then you suddenly realized that it was you who was incompetent all along, but you were just in denial...

      -phixxr :)

      --
      ungggghhhh
    6. Re:Disenchantment by microTodd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I got a job and realized that almost everyone I worked with, worked for, or had to suck up to was incompetent

      Do you consider yourself above average intelligence? If you are, that means that by definition most (i.e. more than half) of the people you meet are dumber than you.

      --
      "You cannot find out which view is the right one by science in the ordinary sense." - C.S. Lewis on Intelligent Design
    7. Re:Disenchantment by renehollan · · Score: 1

      The scary thing is... they vote! :-(

      --
      You could've hired me.
    8. Re:Disenchantment by corbettw · · Score: 2, Funny

      The scary thing is... they vote! :-(

      It's ok though, their candidate lost the last election. ;)

      --
      God invented whiskey so the Irish would not rule the world.
    9. Re:Disenchantment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      yeah, but he did still manage to stay president anyway.

    10. Re:Disenchantment by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 1, Troll

      Thanks. Your kind words have been very comforting.

      Let's look at some real-world evidence/examples that helped shape my view:

      1. My IQ is in the high 99th percentile. This alone means nothing. It just sets the stage.

      2. One of my professors taught us C++ - his background included a "Learn C++ in 21 Days" style book.

      3. The same professor taught us Artificial Intelligence in two parts: "What is a Turing Test?" and "Hello World Programs in Scheme."

      4. Only one professor (for a computer-related class) knew what he was doing. By the end of the semester, he had gone off the deep end because there were only three of us (out of thirty) that cared about learning the subject.

      5. One of my clients insists that we do validation checks on the Name field in their registration form. That's right - he wants me to verify that it's a real person's name before we submit it. Not only is it a global site (so names might not be recognizable to me) but there's no way for us to verify any of the information anyway.

      6. My boss went to a crappy school for a major she doesn't use. In my performance review, she argued that she had to work for twelve years (in a completely unrelated field and position) before getting my level of salary. I'm still below market average.

      7. I watch my bosses get conned and manipulated by clients, vendors, and even each other... when I point these things out, they tell me to live with it.

      My basis of comparison is a bunch of incompetent idiots. I look at schools like MIT and wish that I could have had that kind of environment. I look at employers like Pixar and Google and try to think of what I could do for them. I look at my future and, several months ago, decided to start forming my own company and stop worrying about sucking up to people who simply don't get it and don't care.

    11. Re:Disenchantment by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      Do you consider yourself above average intelligence?

      Probably - most people do. Most of them are wrong, too.

      If you are, that means that by definition most (i.e. more than half) of the people you meet are dumber than you.

      "Dumber than me" does not equal "incompetent".

    12. Re:Disenchantment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yeah, I'm smart enough to figure that one out.
      dumb ass

    13. Re:Disenchantment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I got a job and realized that almost everyone I worked with, worked for, or had to suck up to was incompetent.


      Sit back, take a deap breath and look around. Maybe it is you who are the problem, not everyone else.

      When someone says "Everyone is an asshole" or "everyone is stupid" the chances are that the person making the comment is the stupid asshole.

    14. Re:Disenchantment by dgatwood · · Score: 1
      Or maybe the profs were like some I've dealt with... who mutter in a broken english accent reading straight off the (often incorrect) PowerPoint slides that came with the book... or waxing longingly about the architectures of IBM mainframes while not teaching anything about computer architectures designed after 1970.

      I took an OS course like this once. By that time, I was already doing driver-level hacking in the MkLinux kernel. I corrected the professor at least once or twice in nearly every class meeting. Because the class was so disorganized and the meeting time kept changing, I actually missed one or two lectures (accidentally, unlike the other folks in the class who intentionally missed them and just downloaded the slides). It's the only class I think I -ever- missed in my life (sickness notwithstanding). I still made an A.

      Not everyone who looks around them and thinks that other people are clueless is wrong. :-D

      --

      Check out my sci-fi/humor trilogy at PatriotsBooks.

    15. Re:Disenchantment by DogDude · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's nothing worse than realizing everyone around you is incompetent and being lead around like sheep but not wanting to sell your soul to be in charge (i.e. politicians). You're just stuck somewhere in the middle.

      I disagree. Drop out of the system. I did. I'm never going back to a cube farm again. Ever. The only reason people feel stuck is that they have very expensive lifestyles to pay for. It's surprising how little you miss all of the shit once it's gone (new cars, cable TV, new computers, overpriced clothes, etc.).

      --
      I don't respond to AC's.
    16. Re:Disenchantment by eric777 · · Score: 1
      Actually, no. It depends on your environment.

      For example, tens of thousands of eager, brilliant students have arrived at Freshman Orientation at (Harvard/Yale/Oxford/U of P) to find that their 120 IQ puts them right in the middle of the pack, at best.

      Even your average programmer is probably well over 100 IQ.

    17. Re:Disenchantment by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 1, Redundant

      I agree. Chances are, someone in that position is the problem. As they say with poker, if you can't identify the sucker at the table then it's probably you.

      I should probably have tempered my statements. I'm the only one here who knows the people to whom I'm referring. I'm a little disappointed that my post was modded in such a way; I clearly wasn't trying to be flamebait.

      I don't feel that everybody is incompetent... just a lot of the people I deal with frequently. I get to hear all kinds of ridiculous statements by people who are supposed to be my "superiors." I've always had a difficult time listening to a teacher who got facts wrong or a boss who created more work for me by telling me to do something the wrong way. How long can you put up with crap like that?

      In school, I'd get in trouble for correcting the teacher. In work, I get yelled at for trying to do things a better way.

      So maybe I am the problem because I want to do things better and nobody else does.

    18. Re:Disenchantment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh?

    19. Re:Disenchantment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      So maybe I am the problem because I want to do things better and nobody else does.

      Maybe. Sometimes I just want to get a job out of the way with some funky kludge and move on to something else but some perfectionist on the team wants to take the rest of the night trying to make it perfect when all the rest of us want to do is go home.

    20. Re:Disenchantment by Adammil2000 · · Score: 1

      How likely is it that most everyone in the world is incompetent, except you? Maybe there is something more subtle going on and you're missing it.

      For example, a dev writes lousy code. Calling him incompetent assumes he intended to write good code and failed. What if he was only trying to get paid and succeeded? Is he incompetent because you bought the facade? Many folks are simply trying to survive and are doing quite well.

      You may have spent most of your life judging things at face value, but the world is actually much more complex.

    21. Re:Disenchantment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you should wait until you're older than 16 years old before trying to tell the big boys how to do their job.

    22. Re:Disenchantment by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 1

      I understand what you're saying. It's not the perfectionist part of me that's frustrated. It's more the "we should design our entire site in tables with a 800 x 600 template" vs "let's get into 2004 and use CSS" kind of frustration. I'm the only one in the company that does what I do, so it's usually something bigger. Like my boss deciding that the client is always right and the employee should just do what the client say - even when the client contradicts itself.

    23. Re:Disenchantment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      It is alot harder to be competent than to point out the incompetence of others.

      Um... "alot" is two words Brainiac.
      [You're right, pointing that out was easy. :-) ]

    24. Re:Disenchantment by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 1

      A developer who writes lousy code might be incompetent. Or, if he is competent and doesn't care, then he is unethical. My co-worker is a little bit of both - he doesn't know what he's doing and he doesn't care to learn more. He knows that he can skate by and get his paycheck. I'm not happy with that kind of life... which is certainly part of the frustration. I think I've just got high standards and expect everyone else to have 'em as well.

    25. Re:Disenchantment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This guy has loser written all over him. He tells us he is so smart, then went to a loser school, realized it sucked, stayed there, then went to work for a crappy company. Not smart enough to avoid a crappy life.

    26. Re:Disenchantment by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 1

      The first time I remember correcting a teacher was when I was in third grade. All teachers (all people, really) make mistakes, but some of them just don't care to improve. If the "big boys" knew what they were doing, I wouldn't need to tell them how to do their jobs. I'm 24, btw.

    27. Re:Disenchantment by PylonHead · · Score: 1


      Do you consider yourself above average intelligence?

      Probably - most people do. Most of them are wrong, too.

      Well, not most. Roughly half are wrong.

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    28. Re:Disenchantment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH*

      *fnf*

      *WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH*

      Poor little baby-boy, Mommy will give you a nice Enema to make you feel better...

    29. Re:Disenchantment by Derkec · · Score: 2, Informative

      I guess I had the good fortune of being taught be relatively smart people.

      If you form your own company, good for you.

      For me, I started off a company where I was being lead by people who were not trained in the field and whose senior programmer had decided that it was that time in his career when he didn't want to learn any major new technologies. I felt superior there because I was an OO programmer and the status quo was functional and kinda crappy. I couldn't go anywhere interesting there so I jumped ship and looked for a differant job letting my wife support me a bit.

      I found a place where I quickly realized that I was a pretty bad programmer who had a whole lot to learn. That's what I've been doing since. I look back and I probably wasn't better than the senior programmer at job 1. I just had the ambition to be better than him and the environment wasn't conducive to me learning my weaknesses or improving.

      That's what it's about for me. Find somewhere you, as a junior guy, will get some mentoring by capable people.

    30. Re:Disenchantment by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Putting up with different opinions, even if you know they're wrong, is part of maturity. Yes, it's a tough pill to swallow, but you're going to keep slamming your head into a brick wall if you don't. You are doing the right thing by forming your own company, it sounds like you are smart enough to keep it running, but business acumen is very important as well. That included seeing things from the client's point of view, and some clients will definitely be morons. You can't cause them to lose face, or you'll lost business; you must diplomatically try to steer them in the right direction.

    31. Re:Disenchantment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      several months ago, decided to start forming my own company and stop worrying about sucking up to people who simply don't get it and don't care.

      A lot of people are going to call you a crybaby. A wuss, and that you should suck it up and deal with life.

      Dont listen to them.

      Revel in your passions, strive for change and success. You wont be happy otherwise.

      If you fail, try again. A lot has to do with luck, timing, and who you know.

      Determination, drive and persistance are the buzzwords of the day.

      If the people at google, pixar, or any other company listened to these goons, then these things we love would never exist.

      -posted anon for philosophical reasons-

    32. Re:Disenchantment by ahdeoz · · Score: 1
      How long can you put up with crap like that?

      If you're any good at all, forever.

    33. Re:Disenchantment by NardofDoom · · Score: 1
      How to verify a name:
      1) Search string for numbers
      If there are numbers, it's not a name.

      Ta da!

      --
      You have two hands and one brain, so always code twice as much as you think!
    34. Re:Disenchantment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi, I'm, blasdhsglkhslgfasfdasdfNardofDoomasdfsaerwe, I come from a small state on the northeast side of russia. Nice to meet you.

    35. Re:Disenchantment by Srin+Tuar · · Score: 1

      Dont be so judgemental.

      He is right that most profs are dumb, and its very easy to end up surrounded by incompetence in the workforce (especially in gov't contractors).

      There are innumerable companies where skill and achievement mean nothing, and brown nosing and connections means everything.

      Even the most skilled programmers are often layed off, especially if they did too good of a job documenting their code and making it easy to maintain.

      It is the real world.

    36. Re:Disenchantment by phasm42 · · Score: 1

      How about "William Henry Gates 3rd" :-)

      --
      "No one likes working in a hamster wheel, and your shop smells of cedar shavings from here." - TaleSpinner
    37. Re:Disenchantment by ltbarcly · · Score: 1

      I realize that there is probably a language issue here as well, but..

      A big part of being successful is a sort of social engineering. If you can't handle that then you are very likely not going to be successful, and if you wonder why you aren't successful at that point then you are dumb, too.

      The most skilled programmer might not be the best programmer to hire, if they are suffering from the sort of idiot-savant like condition that programmers are famous for. If they stink for instance, which is a bigger problem then you might think. It is self defeating to hire the best programmer and then not be able to employ them efficiently because no one will sit near them, and you can't bring them into meetings.

      Finally, most profs AREN'T dumb. They are almost all very smart. On top of being smart, they have demonstrated that they know some stuff. Thinking that everybody else is dumb is a symptom of a sick and egotistical mind. I had a friend in college who thought that his philosophy proffessor was an idiot because "I always prove him wrong in class, so he won't call on me anymore." If you think that that is a reasonable statement then you too are probably an ass.

    38. Re:Disenchantment by bladesjester · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily. Some devs have to do multiple projects with insane deadlines at the same time. A lot of the time, in situations like that, you can't write fantastic code. Instead, you have to compromise and deal with something that just works even though it may not be all that you want it to be.

      It's a hard lesson, but one that a lot of people learn.

      --
      Everything I need to know I learned by killing smart people and eating their brains.
    39. Re:Disenchantment by Srin+Tuar · · Score: 1


      Finally, most profs AREN'T dumb. They are almost all very smart. On top of being smart, they have demonstrated that they know some stuff. Thinking that everybody else is dumb is a symptom of a sick and egotistical mind. I had a friend in college who thought that his philosophy proffessor was an idiot because "I always prove him wrong in class, so he won't call on me anymore." If you think that that is a reasonable statement then you too are probably an ass.


      Sure its bad to generalize, and I'm sure there are some top notch profs out there, but in general them seem to be dumb as doornails (speaking of course about the technical sciences).

      With liberal arts profs, well being in subjective fields you cant easily prove that they are idiots. Being an erudite philosophy prof is mostly about being eloquent and opinionated.

    40. Re:Disenchantment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have an IQ of 132 - confirmed 3 times throughout my life. Unfortunately that means that about 98 out of 100 people I meet might as well be retarded. By that I mean it's almost impossible to carry on a decent (according to me) conversation with them for more than 10 seconds. It's actually quite sad going through life that way if you think about it. Very, very frustrating.

    41. Re:Disenchantment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well...

      I am not the parent of this post, but I do feel a certain similarity with his story.

      Let me see. I was bored silly in primary school; my third grade teacher was pissed off with me for constantly providing answers before she finished the question, so after about two weeks in third grade they shipped me off to fourth grade. Once there, the other kids made sure I knew how they felt about smartasses - predictably enough they picked on me on every occasion. And so on from that point on. Being physically the smallest and weakest in the bunch (due to being almost two years younger, see above) didn't help either.

      Cue high school and a change of environment. I *did* know more then just about anyone in school, including teachers, on just about any subject. And, miracle of miracles, I was good at sports (soccer team co-captain). In the my senior year, while I was co-captain, my school's soccer team almost won the state; we lost the finals by 2:1, in a very close game during heavy slowfall. I still maintain the refs were biased against us, but anyway...

      I taught one high school class instead of my computer science teacher, on account of she caught on onto the fact I knew more early on and decided to take advantage. I am not sure if I was adequate at sharing my knowledge with others, but it relieved some boredom.

      By the time I hit college I had several AP classes under my belt, a straight 4.0 GPA, and a good pile of extra-curicular activity under my belt. Several nice colleges wanted me, including Case Western. Well, I was an idiot and decided to go to a local college, mostly because I was missing my friends and was a bit scared of going at it alone in the big world.

      I did terribly in the first two years at college, studying physics. I finally found people smarter then me, by a large margin. The problem was not so much in my intelligence, but in work habits (or lack thereof). So I racked up Ds and the occasional C, and failed a bunch of classes too.

      Eventually my parents got fed up with crappy college performance and threatened to cut me off. I made a deal to transfer to another college (my parents had moved by then) and try again, this time in computer science. I guess I must have made some kind of a decision at that point, because when I came back to school I did very well. Once again I did the 4.0 GPA (or nearly enough to make no difference).

      Things have good uphill for me since then. I graduated college with honors (Cal State), worked in college as a lab assistant and got valuable experience, and entered graduate school. I've managed to go from self-employed small-time computer tech to big-time consultant in less then three years, with a yearlong teaching stint in a high school (ahh.... going back to my roots was fun).

      Currently I am making about 40k a year, net, after taxes and health insurance. This doesn't include great job perks: easy work, management level compensation package including commission for contracts awarded, not being chained to a cellphone or pagers, etc.

      In short, by American measures of success, I've made it big - 26 years, good degree, excellent job with a pile of money, great advancement prospects. BTW, I have zero debth and several thousand cash sitting around, no payments of any kind, and my parents like me these days. Heh.

      If you want another measure of my success and/or competence, I regularly score around 150 on IQ tests. I was a member of MENSA at one point but I've not bothered to renew the membership in years.

      And yes, I am smarter/more competent then any of the idiots I work with. I know it. And they know it. They don't like me much, personally. Neither does management. Hell, my boss doesn't really like me much. But I deliver. Millions of dollars worth of contracts. I outperform my entire department in terms of contracts won by an ORDER OF MAGNITUDE, and they are 17 other college-degree holders in my department, and about a dozen other flunkies. I am not even condescending about it; I am nice to

    42. Re:Disenchantment by TiggertheMad · · Score: 1

      I don't feel that everybody is incompetent... just a lot of the people I deal with frequently.

      Hey, is is just me, or is this guy seem incompetent?

      --

      HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
    43. Re:Disenchantment by mdrn28 · · Score: 1
      Indeed... I spent the better part of my 20's in the midst of an expensive lifestyle. Little did I realize that the expensive cars, high credit card balances, and paycheck-to-paycheck living were symptoms of the consumerist lifestyle that I thought I had managed to avoid.

      It took an extended period of underemployment for me to realize that I really didn't need all that crap. Now my debts are almost paid off, I drive a cheap car, and I'm so much happier to just live my life and not have to worry so much about money.

      While I still work in a cube farm, life is much more pleasant not having to worry so much about money. I agree, drop out of the system!

    44. Re:Disenchantment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It looks like you are just socially retarded. Bandying about some arbitrary IQ number and pretending that it's just everyone who is defective is kind of sad.

    45. Re:Disenchantment by NardofDoom · · Score: 1
      Well, they didn't spell it right, now did they? It's "William Henry Gates III".

      Besides, you can add something like that with a drop down menu.

      --
      You have two hands and one brain, so always code twice as much as you think!
    46. Re:Disenchantment by ltbarcly · · Score: 1

      FALSE,

      You are only flaunting your won ignorance. I cannot speak for whatever college you go to, but at U of Maryland the professors are almost all top notch, at least the one's that I have had or heard about. Why you think they seem as 'dumb as doornails' is beyond me. Perhaps you have a poor ability to judge intelligence, or assume if someone doesn't know everything that they are an idiot.

      It is a safe bet that college proffessors are the most intelligent group of people that there are in the US. Even a sucky philosophy prof. has an understanding of every major philosopher's works (possibly except kant), which is alot more work than just being opinionated.

      I completely understand where you are coming from though. You are judging the world from a position of ignorance. This is exactly the sort of egotistical thinking I was refering to in my post. YOU don't know what the heck philosophy prof's study, so it must be crap, since if it was important you would know it.

      Saying that the liberal arts are 'subjective fields' and therefore there is no way to measure the understanding in those fields is more of the same kind of thinking. Beleive it or not, there is a several thousand year old tradition in the 'liberal arts', and while you can't well order the set of books, that doesn't mean that the fields are a combination of teaparties and fraud.

      Frankly, you don't have any idea what you're talking about.

      Perhaps, and I wouldn't doubt it, you are just talking out your ass without giving it any significant thought. If you decide to think about it, tell me, who isn't an idiot? I bet you put yourself at the top of the list!

    47. Re:Disenchantment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you consider yourself above average intelligence? If you are, that means that by definition most (i.e. more than half) of the people you meet are dumber than you.

      Not to sound snooty, but 70% of the people have average intelligence. It's like a bell curve.

      so there

    48. Re:Disenchantment by ltbarcly · · Score: 1

      Maybe all the people at work are trying to get you fired because you're a prick braggard nobody could possibly stand to be around. Maybe they don't like you because of YOU, and not because of their own failings, as you so conveniently believe. *I* don't like you, and I've only had to experience 40 seconds of your personality.

    49. Re:Disenchantment by microTodd · · Score: 1

      Wow, this was supposed to be funny and instead I get a bunch of insightful. I basically stole this line from George Carlin.

      --
      "You cannot find out which view is the right one by science in the ordinary sense." - C.S. Lewis on Intelligent Design
    50. Re:Disenchantment by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

      Hmmm i remember reading the principle of Peter and "incompetence".

      Someone who uses to do EVERYTHING that his superiors tell him (and doesn't stop to think if it's the best), gets their favor, and eventually scales up position. Eventually, he ends up in a position where he MUST think to do his job well. He has reached his level of incompetence.

      On the contrary, there is the type of person who SHOULD be on the upper position, but will never go there, precisely because his he is "incompetent" at doing what he is "supposed" to do.

      I'd recommend you quit your job and try to start your own. Gather some people, ask for a loan, etc... and then do what you used to do at your OLD job. (And maybe then CRUSH THEM in revenge... lol). The thing is trying to do things efficiently.

      OR... you could give suggestions to your superior and try to practice your social skills (read: FLATTERY). Or you could find a weak spot in your boss and try to fight for HIS position.

      Of course, that'd be impossible if he happens to be the brother-in-law of the owner of your company. I'd go away from there anyway. Those kinds of positions tend to destroy the company due to extreme accumulated incompetence.

      Hey, here's an idea! You can seek for a job at the COMPETITION. MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!! (ooooh yes, i love this)

    51. Re:Disenchantment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AC
      So you decided to be a bum?

      DogDude
      I'll just be DogDude, AC -- no more, no less.

      AC
      No DogDude, you're gonna be like those pieces of shit out there who beg for change. They walk around like a bunch of fuckin' zombies, they sleep in garbage bins, they eat what I throw away, and dogs piss on 'em. They got a word for 'em, they're called bums. And without a job, residence, or legal tender, that's what you're gonna be -- a fuckin' bum!

      DogDude
      Look my friend, this is just where me and you differ --

      AC
      -- what happened was peculiar -- no doubt about it -- but it wasn't water into wine.

      DogDude
      All shapes and sizes, AC.

      AC
      Stop fuckin' talkin' like that!

      DogDude
      If you find my answers frightening, AC, you should cease askin' scary questions.

      AC
      When did you make this decision -- while you were sitting there eatin' your muffin?

      DogDude
      Yeah. I was just sitting here drinking my coffee, eating mymuffin, playin' the incident in my head, when I had what alcoholics refer to as a "moment of clarity."

      AC
      I gotta go get Fr1st Ps0t. To be continued.

    52. Re:Disenchantment by lannocc · · Score: 1
      My grandfather once taught me some valuable corporate knowledge: if you want to move up the corporate ladder and be generally accepted, try as hard as you can to not appear to be a threat to anyone in your organization.

      Basically, your boss (and hopefully his boss) generally have a pretty good idea of how valuable you are to the company. Of course, if your boss feels you might be a threat to his job then he will never speak highly of you in public. Don't be a threat. Sure it may take a while to get noticed/recognized, but it is well worth it. I know, office politics are a bitch.

    53. Re:Disenchantment by Thuktun · · Score: 1

      Do you consider yourself above average intelligence? If you are, that means that by definition most (i.e. more than half) of the people you meet are dumber than you.

      I think you're mistaking mean for median.

    54. Re:Disenchantment by bikiniAtoll · · Score: 1

      My wife works for an organization that deals with a lot of first nations people. Some of them have digits as well as letters in their names.

      Nice try though.

    55. Re:Disenchantment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have an IQ of 143. Also confirmed several times.

      Does that mean you are retarded when compared to me?

    56. Re:Disenchantment by drew · · Score: 1

      I had a good friend in high school who used to say something like "There are no victims, only volunteers." (I don't remember her exact words, but I've seen that quote several times in the time since then, and it's the same idea) I never really understood what she meant until many years later- I had a much more sheltered life than most people at that age. A lot of people feel trapped in their job, or trapped in the financial situation, or trapped in whatever. Nobody is really trapped- It's just easier for most people to blame their circumstances on things beyond their control than to accept the fact that they can change them if they really want to.

      I'm not trying to preach to you or anyone else. This is a lesson it took me a long time to learn for myself. There are good jobs out there, even in this economy. I know a lot of people who bitch about their job- about how they hate the company, hate their boss, hate the work they do.... I know them because I used to work with them. And bitch with them. But after a while, I left for a much better job. But they are still there bitching because that's easier than looking for a new job.

      If you can't respect the people you work for, then you need a new job. The people who tell you "Welcome to the world" are bitter because they believe they can't improve their lot (or possibly they are laughing at someone who hasn't found the way out yet). If you listen to them you will end up the same way. If you are as smart as you say you are, you have a degree (any degree), and you love what you do, there are good jobs out there for you. Go ahead and apply to Google and Pixar. It can't hurt. But don't stop there. The secret is that fun companies to work for are not always going to be obvious by what they do. In fact it might be in a market that you would have never expected. My current job is in a financial market research company. I didn't know a thing about financial markets when I started here, but they needed somebody with my skills, and they've developed an amazing work environment over the last 12 years or so that they've been in business. Had I not started sending out resumes to every potential employer in the area, I never would have heard of them....

      Other posters have suggested getting out on your own. Personally, I've done it, and it wasn't for me. But it was a great experience for me regardless. I think everyone should at least try it out and see if they like it. Some will never go back. Those who do will usually learn valuable lessons from having had a different perspective on the way they work.

      --
      If I don't put anything here, will anyone recognize me anymore?
    57. Re:Disenchantment by Elentar · · Score: 1

      In more general terms, the important thing is to have priorities. Don't put new cars, cable, computers and clothes above family, time to yourself and enough sleep unless it really means more to you than those things. Does making money matter more to you than quality of life? How do you feel about sacrificing personal time to impress your employer and climb the ladder?

      I'm a sysadmin, and I love it. I work long hours usually (hourly, fortunately - any computer professional in California paid less than $41/hour is not exempt from earning overtime), but I get to administer thousands of BSD and Linux machines. At the end of the day, I have good coworkers, a good employer, and still time to spend with my wife and with friends. I get to improve my skills, learn new ones, meet cool people. And that's worth it, to me.

      -Elentar

      --
      The wheel it turns, around and around, with an ancient rumbling sound.
    58. Re:Disenchantment by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 1

      I appreciate your comments... there have been a good number of not-so-friendly responses, and it's nice to see someone offer real advice.

      I am starting my own company... Much of my recent depression stems from my situation and the knowledge that I brought it upon myself. But this knowledge also allows me to see that opportunity to leave, to improve my own place in life, and to feel satisfied with my job.

      I hate when someone says that "work isn't supposed to be fun - otherwise it wouldn't be work." I love what I do...why shouldn't I be able to enjoy my job?

    59. Re:Disenchantment by Srin+Tuar · · Score: 1


      Believe it or not, there is a several thousand year old tradition in the 'liberal arts', and while you can't well order the set of books, that doesn't mean that the fields are a combination of teaparties and fraud.



      Thousands of years more history preceed religion, prostitution, and other sundry things.
      "teaparties and fraud" is an excellent summary :)

      Aside from Bertrand Russel and a few other bright lights, philosophy is a shirker's course. If you are not lazy let math or science be your philosophy class. The most students ever come away with from philosophy classes is a empty feeling that what they have studied was somehow meaningful and important. Vigorously defending that feeling makes you seem just silly.

    60. Re:Disenchantment by drew · · Score: 1

      There are some people who can accept the fact that they don't enjoy their jobs, but do them anyway to make a living and get their enjoyment from things outside of work. Good for them. I don't look down on them for that, but neither could I ever commit myself to that attitude.

      People who say that "Work isn't supposed to be fun..." may honestly be trying to help you. They may actually be a happy person with that attitude (or maybe they've just watched Office Space too many times). But what it comes down to is no one else can tell you what will make you happy. Everyone has to figure it out for (him/her)self. And one thing that I've learned well recently is that you can't be afraid of risk or change when it comes to committing yourself to a course of action that you think might make you a happier person.

      Good luck with your company. I will warn you that it's going to be a lot of work, and you will probably have some tough times ahead getting started. Starting your own company is not for the faint of heart. But the rewards are worth it if you can make it work, even if only for a little while.

      Finally, some free business advice: If you are going into a business where you will be dealing with clients, know when to drop them if they are causing you problems. A lot of the problems my company had (there were three of us) were due to an inability to come to an agreement on when to cut off a troublesome client (i.e. they were not paying enough for the work being done or were asking for work that was not in the original agreement). And never take on friends or relatives as clients, if you can help it. If you do, know that they will take advantage of you, whether intentionally or not.

      --
      If I don't put anything here, will anyone recognize me anymore?
    61. Re:Disenchantment by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 1

      Actually, I'm doing quite a bit of checking on that field, but it will never solve the problem. When a user puts in "myname" or "noneofyourbusiness" how can I programmatically determine if that's a valid name? How do you know that it isn't really their name? Or that "Paul" isn't really named "John" and he's lying?

      Of all the clients I've worked with, this is the most frustrating one. The project deadline was April 19th. Now, almost seven months later, there's no end in sight.

      I'm done bitching about it. I just nod and pretend that they're right. Then I go home and work on my own company every night.

    62. Re:Disenchantment by NardofDoom · · Score: 1
      How about credit card info? You need the right name for that, right? And when the user asks why they need their credit card to do X, just answer "because we don't trust you to tell use who you really are."

      I can understand frustration, I've had clients like that. The important thing is to have fun with them. If they don't like it, let them find someone else to annoy! :-)

      Good luck with your own company.

      --
      You have two hands and one brain, so always code twice as much as you think!
  6. soul of a new machine by acomj · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The tracy kidder book is quite good, about the creation of a new Data General Computer. Although that book too will likely make anyone reading it question if they want to be an engineer. Won a pulizer prize if I remember correctly.

    1. Re:soul of a new machine by neuroneck · · Score: 1

      Just finished reading it while I was at a conference. Yes, it did win a pulitizer prize. The book was very good in that it showed why an engineer goes through so much pain to get their project working. I found it more inspirational than depressing.

    2. Re:soul of a new machine by wdavies · · Score: 1

      It was a brilliant book. I worked for DEC at a later date, so it was an amazing picture of my former employer war of competition, and as someone who worked on those machines as a programmer, a fascinating insight into the hardware development process.

      But its really about people, not technology.

    3. Re:soul of a new machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You were working on Data General machines at DEC?

    4. Re:soul of a new machine by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      A damn good read. IIRC, it's the one with "I'm going to join a commune in Vermont. I will deal with no time unit shorter than a season" or something like that.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  7. Save yourself the time... by Weaselmancer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...and rent Office Space.

    --
    Weaselmancer
    rediculous.
    1. Re:Save yourself the time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      werd!

    2. Re:Save yourself the time... by dabigpaybackski · · Score: 1
      ...and rent Office Space.

      And for God's sake, don't f*** with the guy with the red stapler.

      --
      "OH SHIT, THERE'S A HORSE IN THE HOSPITAL!"
  8. Conspiracy..bah by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 5, Funny
    turns into paranoid shaven-headed slacker (and Church of the Subgenius minister) who sees conspiracy theories under every rock.

    There really are no conspiracies, however 'THEM' is surreptitiously trying to make us believe that there are conspiracies in an effort to draw our attention away from what is actually going on. You see if I actually believed in copnsipiracies, then I would be waisting my time trying to prove said conspiracies, instead of trying to uncover the REAL truth. However, since there are no conspiracies, 'THEM' cannot conspire to create conspiracies, and therefore I do not have to waste my time trying to figure them out. Then again, if 'THEM' is trying to make us believe there are conspiracies, when there are really no conspiracies, then there is a conspiracy to creat conspiracies. Hah, they will not fool me - Since there are no conspiracies, there cannot be a conspiracy to create conspiracies, therefore I will still be able to focus on discovering the truth.

    Wheres my tinfoil hat, and my 712th printing of Catcher in the Rye, although I don't know why I need another, but I do know that I need it because it hase the new extra black ink.

    1. Re:Conspiracy..bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      'THEM'
      And to think this whole time I thought it was 'THEY'. Thank you for helping my to see the real masterminds behind the conspiracy to not conspire to create conspiracies in attempt to divert attention from those that conspire... um, my tinfoil hat is on to tight, what was I talking about.
    2. Re:Conspiracy..bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THEY is what THEM wish you to think THEY are, however since THEY are THEM, THEM cannot be thought of as THEY, since THEM are THEY and THEY are THEM.

    3. Re:Conspiracy..bah by maximilln · · Score: 1

      There really are no conspiracies

      In fact it's mere cosmic coincidence that bankers have money, businessmen offer products to make money, and politicians will accept payment to stay out of the way.

      --
      +++ATHZ 99:5:80
    4. Re:Conspiracy..bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're basically saying that giant ants are behind this country's IT boom then?

    5. Re:Conspiracy..bah by RealProgrammer · · Score: 2, Funny

      You should read some of the things I have about tap water and the chemicals the NSA has been forcing water treatment plants to use since the first Gulf War (to keep the returning troops from showing symptoms from the chem-bio agents they used on them in "testing").

      Drink only bottled spring water, or distill rainwater yourself. Canadian imported beer is OK, too, but read the label carefully and boil it if you want to be safe.

      It's all about chain of custody.

      --
      sigs, as if you care.
    6. Re:Conspiracy..bah by syrinje · · Score: 1

      If you really want that tinfoil hat to come in useful, big brother will probably oblige by printing RFID tags, using the new epson technology, on every single copy of Catcher in the Rye henceforth.

      --
      See that long UID - that's what you get for lurking too long
    7. Re:Conspiracy..bah by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Drink only bottled spring water, or distill rainwater yourself.

      And pure grain alcohol?

      --
      "I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
    8. Re:Conspiracy..bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think someone without a sense of humour got their mod points today. I thought it was funny....

  9. My life in toto by ChiGodOfKarma · · Score: 1

    I talk the talk and walk the walk, but now I have to read the book? Geez, whoever thought programming could be so much fun?

  10. Whats so bad about K&R C? by torpor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    .. been writing it now for 20 years, still going strong ..

    --
    ; -- the corruption of government starts with its secrets. a truly free people keep no secrets. --
    1. Re:Whats so bad about K&R C? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you have a giant eel in your sig? Or is that a kraken?

    2. Re:Whats so bad about K&R C? by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 2, Funny
      Whats so bad about K&R C?

      Nothing, unless you have a million lines of it with no comments. In that case, you would be fucked backwards and forwards. Bonus points if variable names are less then or equal to 4 characters in length, double your score if they always begin with "a", "b", or "c".

    3. Re:Whats so bad about K&R C? by bladesjester · · Score: 1

      You must have had to maintain some of the same code I was handed a few times. Spend days just writing comments for the crap.

      *shudders*

      And people always wondered why I got twitchy when they asked me quesitons about code they were working on that they refused to comment.

      --
      Everything I need to know I learned by killing smart people and eating their brains.
    4. Re:Whats so bad about K&R C? by Col+Bat+Guano · · Score: 1

      Syntactic form that makes errors easy (e.g. == v.s. =).
      Stupid precedence of operators
      No checking for out-of-bounds errors
      No namespaces
      Over reliance on the preprocessor
      No "inline" for functions
      No abstractions for dealing with hardware (you have to do masks, bit shifts etc)
      You can't have underscores in number literals

    5. Re:Whats so bad about K&R C? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Whats so bad about K&R C?

      Nothing, unless you have a million lines of it with no comments. In that case, you would be fucked backwards and forwards. Bonus points if variable names are less then or equal to 4 characters in length, double your score if they always begin with "a", "b", or "c"

      Bugger, almost a perfect fit, except that one hundred-line loop that uses an 'i'.

    6. Re:Whats so bad about K&R C? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kraken are nearly as frightening as uppercase L's and tentacled lowercase h's.

  11. Is it just me... by Steffan · · Score: 1

    Or is this roughly the plot of 'The Matrix'...

  12. Everyone everywhere sucks and I am great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Parent poster reminds me of a Tim Wilson line: been divorced four times? Hell, maybe its you.

    1. Re:Everyone everywhere sucks and I am great by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 1

      Tell me about it. I think the grandparent poster must be Cubicledrone's trolling account.

  13. An easy way out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    1. Get hypnotized, kill therapist halfway through session.
    2. Hatch grand scheme to fleece company with couple of geeks at work.
    3. Wait for scheme to go horribly wrong...if possible engage in flirting, drinking, movie watching and general merry making during this period. Heineken and Kungfu movies are the preferred varieties of entertainment.
    4. Engage local frustrated employee to burn up office and evidence of scheme hatched in (3). Members of said species are easily found in office basements usually mumbling to themselves.
    5. Quit software job, and obtain employment at neighbor's construction facility.
    6. ???
    7. PROFIT!!!

  14. Cube Life by kc0re · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't have a cube, I have an area. But it's quite disconcerting to think that corporate America has thrown us into this "worker bee, sit at your desk and produce" model. It sucks. But on the other hand, I get paid to sit right here, so I'm good. I'd be interested in reading the book, however, I am afraid it would discourage me more than I already am.

    1. Re:Cube Life by TrentL · · Score: 1

      But it's quite disconcerting to think that corporate America has thrown us into this "worker bee, sit at your desk and produce" model.

      As opposed to the "worker bee, stand in the coal mine and shovel" model, or the "worker bee, operate the metal press and pray you don't lose an arm" model of yesteryear?

  15. Hey, he stole my life! by RealProgrammer · · Score: 3, Funny

    But he can have it. I've got a new one, trolling on blogs.

    The pay isn't great, but the complete lack of any sense of accomplishment makes me feel guilty for what I get anyway.

    --
    sigs, as if you care.
  16. Wow... by JamesTheBard · · Score: 1

    ...sounds like the perfect book for the holiday season. Of course, I could give it to a few "friends" of mine... Honestly though, it sounds like an interesting enough book. Yes, my cubicle sucks, and most of the time my job, but hey: It's a job. I leave it at work when I go home and for now it lets me buy the bright, shiny stuff that I geek out on. I don't need a book to compare how good I've got it to the subject in the book. That's what my parents are for.

  17. hah I'm like that by Naikrovek · · Score: 5, Interesting

    All my previous jobs have been positions where I was in control of what happened. I was the sysadmin and primary developer. I was the regional MIS Manager. etc.

    Now I work at S**** F*** and I'm just a Technical Analyst. The shock of going from ruler on-high to "cube occupation device" has been tremendously shocking.

    It took weeks to get admin rights to a machine I have physical control over. I cannot install any software on my own, under any circumstances. The only software that can EVER be installed is done remotely via SMS issuance. I do most of my coding in Notepad because I don't want to waste seven weeks on an absolute beginners Java course so that I can install WSAD.

    The rules in place here are unbelieveable. I can't even run FireFox from my USB key. (I can't use a USB key at all!)

    If Galilleo worked here he would have never discovered anything. He would waste away and the only thing he'd have to look forward to is his 30th anniversary ceremony, which lasts an entire 5 minutes.

    Now I'm becoming a conspiracy theorist.

    We buy all our software (all of it, even pay-for software) from a company of unknown origin (more on that in a second) who provides indemnification for us. We can't even use Perl unless we buy it from this company and have them provide us a binary. Same for every other common-sense utility or peice of software that I used to install with reckless abandon at my previous employers.

    This company (known as STA) charges hundreds of dollars PER LINE OF SOURCE CODE to provide indemnification, including lines that consist entirely of "}" or "{". I believe that STA has been formed by some of the higher up lawyers in S**** F*** and since they mandate that ALL software (even things like MS Windows XP) be purchased through STA, that they stand to benefit from its existance. Whoever decided to start up companies to provide indemnification against software was a genius. I wish I'd thought of that. I woudln't be a cube occupation device, I'd be a tropical beach occupation device.

    So yeah, *takes drink of 35th cup of coffee* you can say I've changed. My company has over 130k employees. I simply cannot change anything, and am forced to spend my energy coming up with reasons why I can't do the things I'm so very used to doing.

    1. Re:hah I'm like that by shakamojo · · Score: 1

      So yeah, *takes drink of 35th cup of coffee* you can say I've changed. Jeez, maybe you oughta lay off the coffee a bit?

    2. Re:hah I'm like that by djdavetrouble · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now I work at S**** F***

      you work at Shit Fuck !?!? I have been trying to get a job there for years !

      --
      music lover since 1969
    3. Re:hah I'm like that by relaxrelax · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Been there, done that, got the "laid off but still not paid after 6 months" T-shirt!

      My boss was too busy learning to play flute to provide any leadership. Good thing too, because his leadership would be some kind of short int overflow negative.

      People got fired every 2 years to be replaced by rookie academics with no work experience. Without warning. Without documentation. All at once, so no between-company leadership could occur.

      We were not allowed to leave the company for lunch more than 2 at a time. And I got blamed for taking lunch at 11h. Go figure!

      Every file had to be labeled as written by the boss - who does not code (which made tracking who makes bugs impossible).

      The printer has a lock and the only time in 18 months I was allowed to print something, the key was in Japan with the boss promising a demo of things not implemented yet for tomorrow.

      As part of the 4th cycle of worker recyclement, I had to read code commented in 3 different language. On my first day it wouldn't compile at all!

      I've never seen a backup. Ever. My boss believes in God a bit too much...

      After being 4 years late on schedule, the boss decided to switch from C++ to C# completely. OUCH!

      This isn't cube farm. It's goto-ridden code incubation farm!

      ALL HAIL MURPHY'S LAW!

      --
      Microsoft is pure dog-ma. FreeBSD is pure cat-ma.
    4. Re:hah I'm like that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Now I work at S**** F***

      That's what you get for working with a company called Shitt Fuck.

      Seriously though, why do you even bother? Got a wife and kids now and are making serious sacrifices for "stability"? In a depressed area and no desire/energy to move to the Washington DC area where the job situation is hot?

    5. Re:hah I'm like that by Neil+Watson · · Score: 1

      While a feel for you there is nothing unusual about not being able to use a USB key. Disabling those in becoming common practice to prevent data theft.

    6. Re:hah I'm like that by Mephie · · Score: 2, Funny

      If the S**** F*** you're talking about is the S**** F*** I'm thinking of, I use to work at the Corporate HQ in B**********, I******* (hey, this is fun!). I almost cancelled my c** i******** p***** when I saw what went on inside those buildings. Oh, the stories...

    7. Re:hah I'm like that by Gzip+Christ · · Score: 4, Funny
      Now I work at S**** F***
      you work at Shit Fuck !?!?
      Ah yes, I almost had it. I had the jingle running through my head but couldn't quite remember the company. "Just like a good neighbor, Shit Fuck is there."
    8. Re:hah I'm like that by JWW · · Score: 1

      It took you weeks to get admin rights on a machine you had physical control over??

      All you need to take care of that is a small power "glitch" ;-) and an handy little utility CD.

    9. Re:hah I'm like that by DittoHead · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You claim you were a sysadmin, but you can't understand why you are not allowed to install any software you want on your company-owned computer? You are angry that you are not allowed to run unauthorized software from a USB key? Maybe these issues are the reason you are not in your previous all-powerful job.

      You claim that the company that provides your software charges hundreds of dollars per line of source for indemnification. Well, for that price, the cost of Windows XP indemnification would probably exceed the cost of litigation resulting from the use of Windows XP.

      Why is it necessary to take a beginners course in Java before installing WSAD? Perhaps your job as a Technical Analyst does not require such a comprehensive programming environment, and the sysadmins require you to justify the cost of a license and to prove you can actually use a part of the functionality.

    10. Re:hah I'm like that by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      All you need to take care of that is a small power "glitch" ;-) and an handy little utility CD.

      The trick is not getting fired and arrested afterwards.

      --
      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
    11. Re:hah I'm like that by Matrix14 · · Score: 1

      Hey. As a college student with no understanding of the real world or knowledge of your financial situation, I say to get the fuck out of there. Go find another job, man.

    12. Re:hah I'm like that by gordyf · · Score: 1

      That assumes that the machines are configured to boot off a CD. I'd be surprised if they were, given the state of his workplace.

    13. Re:hah I'm like that by scovetta · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, it's S-asterisk-asterisk-asterisk-asterisk-asterisk F-asterisk-asterisk-asterisk-asterisk-. It's a foreign firm. Some people call it S-star-star-star-star-star F-star-star-star-star, but those are mostly newbies.

      --
      Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag zusehn, dass er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. --Nietzsche
    14. Re:hah I'm like that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what are so of the horrible things that happen at this place?

    15. Re:hah I'm like that by advocate_one · · Score: 1
      The printer has a lock and the only time in 18 months I was allowed to print something, the key was in Japan with the boss promising a demo of things not implemented yet for tomorrow.

      Wow... you have a printer!!!

      --
      Donald 'Duck' Dunn: We had a band powerful enough to turn goat piss into gasoline.
    16. Re:hah I'm like that by josu · · Score: 1

      I think it's Shite Fuck.

    17. Re:hah I'm like that by serutan · · Score: 1

      State Farm

      (Duh)

    18. Re:hah I'm like that by Naikrovek · · Score: 1

      that's the S**** F*** i'm talking about. i'm in corp south.

    19. Re:hah I'm like that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, I got State Farm in Bloomington, Illinois, but "c**" ... "insurance policy"? What's "c**"?

    20. Re:hah I'm like that by ubertemp · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm sorry we only hire people that can count

    21. Re:hah I'm like that by swb · · Score: 1

      You know, I've had really good luck at State Farm for car insurance. I've had two claims handled really well, and the agents in our lobby that I use *always* have super up to date equipment; I frequently see new equipment boxes in their office space, and they had 17" LCD displays 3+ years ago (we still buy CRTs).

    22. Re:hah I'm like that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reading this made my eyes bleed,
      You poor, poor man.

    23. Re:hah I'm like that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and you're still there because????

    24. Re:hah I'm like that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's what you d**** to w*** every day, obviously.

    25. Re:hah I'm like that by Naikrovek · · Score: 1

      I understand why i'm not allowed to install firefox, but i'm just not used to being forbidden from using it. I left my previous jobs because I wanted to, i was asked by management many, many times to remain in those positions, and was offered 35-45% raises to stay in those cases. I would be earning more money in either of those jobs than I am here. I left those positions because I had automated enough of my job to lose interest in that job.

      I agree, litigation does seem less expensive, but for whatever reason, paying through the nose for indemnification is the choice that was made.

      It is necessary to take a 7 week course before having WSAD installed because S**** F*** doesn't want to pay $8k per seat for you to use WSAD unless they are sure you know how to use it. They won't even give their own employees product support unless you attend the course. Even the seasoned Java programmers in my component can't have it installed without attending a 7-week beginner-intermediate Java course.

      "Technical Analyst" is a generic title. I'm a full-time programmer. I do zero sys admin, zero network admin, zero windows admin. If it isn't Perl or Java programming, I don't do it. Full time programmer in my (8500 person) department = "Technical Analyst". Full time non-programmer in the same department = "Technical Analyst".

    26. Re:hah I'm like that by djdavetrouble · · Score: 2, Funny

      You asterisk nazis are worse than the friggin grammar nazis !

      --
      music lover since 1969
    27. Re:hah I'm like that by spindizzy · · Score: 1

      So you worked on Duke Nukem Forever? Wow!

      --
      Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur
    28. Re:hah I'm like that by worf_mo · · Score: 1

      My boss was too busy learning to play flute

      Oh, you were working for Richard?

    29. Re:hah I'm like that by bgbarcus · · Score: 1

      The only career advice book I ever read left me with one solid, timeless rule. Never work for an insurance company. Sounds like you missed that book.

    30. Re:hah I'm like that by Mephie · · Score: 1
      Ha! How about that. I was in K1 from Fall 1999 to Spring of 2001. Crazy place. And I was a blue badge too, which makes things much, much worse ;)

    31. Re:hah I'm like that by BJH · · Score: 1

      Obviously, you have not been in a large company that is obsessed with "data security".

      Boot from a CD? The BIOS is set to boot only from the primary HDD.

      Try and change the BIOS? BIOS password.

      Try and clear the BIOS by cracking the case and pulling the battery? Case open detector that rats on you to the admins.

      Hope you had a good excuse for opening that case (something other than "I was trying to install Gentoo cause it r0XX0r5!!!111"), because otherwise it's time to brush up your resume.

  18. Oh, good! by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 4, Funny
    More pampered Western silkyboy angst.

    I just can't enough of that. Honest.

    conversational, semi-edgy style

    Translation: Usenet readers will feel at home.

    --
    --- Ban humanity.
    1. Re:Oh, good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, speaking of which...

      Don't you have a global system to destabilize? ;-)

    2. Re:Oh, good! by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 1
      Don't you have a global system to destabilize?

      I'm on it.

      Let's just say it doesn't really require that much work these days.

      --
      --- Ban humanity.
    3. Re:Oh, good! by shostiru · · Score: 1
      Well, first time (and *last* time) it happened to me I was actually surprised (yeah, I know, stupidity on my part). I even put up with that nonsense for awhile, before getting out (along with the rest of the developers) and engaging in some good old fashioned schadenfreude when the company tanked.

      Say what you will about Usenet style; I learned more about how the real world works from Usenet than I did in college.

  19. Do what I did.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Get a job at a college or university.

    I ended up working full-time in the IT dept of the university I graduated from. I didn't plan on, it just kind of happened. The salary isn't as good as "corporate" IT salaries, but it does have other benefits. I can take classes at the school free of charge (not counting the textbook). I can take one class a semester (3 semesters in a year) at another local college for my Masters degree, tuition free. And the benefits are pretty good to. If I had any college age kids, they could go to school tuition free here as well. All in all, a good job without the stress that seems to go hand in hand with corporate IT jobs.

    1. Re:Do what I did.... by Saltine+Cracker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Almost as good...

      Get a government IT job. You know, some place cool like NASA, the DOE or the DOD where they actually do some real computing.

      Government jobs are great for slackers...no stress, great job security, decent pay, lots of vacation, and hey if you don't know how to do your own job, there's 50,000 contractors out there waiting in the wings to accomplish your task for the lowest bid.

    2. Re:Do what I did.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot the most obvious thing: always a new batch of coeds to ogle every fall!

    3. Re:Do what I did.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the CS department? Which college did you attend? I think there were a grand total of 5 female students (out of 200) in the CS department where i went.

  20. Awww by NetNifty · · Score: 4, Funny

    I thought this was going to be about a beowulf cluster of GameCubes.

    1. Re:Awww by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... running Linux.

    2. Re:Awww by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...in Natalie Portman's pants!

  21. Re:ITALICS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please close your italics tags. The entire Slashdot homepage is in italics now because of this book review. This is not the first time this has happened.!!!11

  22. Unclosed cite tag is italicizing entire front page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cube Farm should read:
    <cite>Cube Farm</cite>

    This will clean up the italicized text.

  23. I got a better idea for a book by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Funny

    Bright, innocent, bushytailed overachiever geek, inexorably crushed by the harsh realities of corporate America, turns into

    A corporate former-programmer evil brain who uses his monopoly to crush the competition!

    Yes! That'd be a wonderful story - oh, wait...

  24. Pet Names? by the+MaD+HuNGaRIaN · · Score: 1

    Ok, where's my royalty check?

  25. Can't touch where I am. by i_r_sensitive · · Score: 3, Funny
    Imagine a direct marketing company. At that company, all technical needs analysis and general IT/IS decision making is done by sales managers.

    And no they do not do a good job of it.

    Nor do they do an inspiring job of sales management either.

    In fact the only department which has put forward a successful sales initiative or proposal in 15 years has been the technical group.

    And teetering over it all is a peroxide blonde Manager of IT with delusions of CIO-dom, courtesy of a class she found on the back of the matchbook she lights her bong with, dismissed by her subordinates as incompetent, and her peers as "hyper-thyroid." I almost forgot, she is as territorial as all get out, can't manage machines, people, office politics, or even to fill the coffee machine, and makes banker's hours look like double-overtime...

    Don't get me started on the accountants, or the Dept of Leguminosae Enumeration as they insist on being called...

    Cube farm sounds like an upbeat bed-time story to the denizen of this cubicle.

    --
    "Talk minus action equals nothing" - Joey Shithead, D.O.A.
    "Talk minus action equals /." -
    1. Re:Can't touch where I am. by jimbobborg · · Score: 1

      Jeez, her name wouldn't be Glenda, would it? Sounds like someone I used to work with.

    2. Re:Can't touch where I am. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At that company, all technical needs analysis and general IT/IS decision making is done by sales managers.

      How is that different from the rest of the valley?

    3. Re:Can't touch where I am. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      And teetering over it all is a peroxide blonde Manager of IT


      Yeah, but is she HOT?

    4. Re:Can't touch where I am. by i_r_sensitive · · Score: 1
      Emphatically NO!

      I really should qualify that...

      Emphatically NO!

      --
      "Talk minus action equals nothing" - Joey Shithead, D.O.A.
      "Talk minus action equals /." -
    5. Re:Can't touch where I am. by i_r_sensitive · · Score: 1
      Nope.

      And, I'm not sure wether to be comforted or horrified that there may be another like her out there...

      I'd post the name, but one of my grovelling co-workers has probably wrote her a bot to find web pages with her name on them...

      I guess I left out overweening paranoia from the list of her attributes...

      --
      "Talk minus action equals nothing" - Joey Shithead, D.O.A.
      "Talk minus action equals /." -
  26. I read this book by prostoalex · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I read this book in a single setting on the airplane (Salt Lake City to San Francisco, so wasn't that long) and it was a fun one to read. It's basically an auto-biography of a guy who graduated with a degree in Physics to find out his best job opportunity was waiting tables at a local restaurant.

    The interesting thing about author's career at Lawson, as he emphasizes that in several places in the book, is that he always managed to work for departments that have never shipped a product. A lot of the time was spent in maintenance, planning, high-level design and then high-level redesign, office politics and what not.

    There's also a funny story about back-stabbing inside Lawson with some guys separating from Technology department and creating the Advanced Technology department (as if to imply that the other one is some kind of non-advanced, backward, technology).

    1. Re:I read this book by confused+one · · Score: 1
      That's funny...

      I graduated with a physics degree; and, I too found the only jobs available to me were writting software...

      Hmmmm... I think I smell a conspiracy too.

    2. Re:I read this book by Kamelion · · Score: 1

      I worked at Lawson during the time frame this book covers, hired '97 laid off '02. I haven't read the book yet though.

      To quote you:

      "Advanced Technology department (as if to imply that the other one is some kind of non-advanced, backward, technology)."

      You are making a joke here, but you are actually correct. Back when R&D and AT were seperate entities AT was considered Lawson's future. AT focussed on Java, HTML, javascript, XML. R&D focussed on maintance and continued development of the Legacy product which was written in C.

  27. I, Blasphemer by EtherAlchemist · · Score: 2, Insightful


    ...and rent Office Space.

    Why do we always come back to this movie? Other than a few funny sequences and lines, it's basically boring. Yeah, I said it, but we're all thinking it!

    It's because we've got nothing else that even comes close to the sad truth that is our life. It sucks so bad we've elevated the one movie of closest relevance to cult status.

    As for books, 80% or more of the people here could fill volumes on the subject with anecdotes about management, TPS reports, shitty office hardware etc, etc, etc and if we did, you can bet they would always be compared to this movie.

    Even my company's chief strategist (whatever the fuck that is) think's it's the greatest movie ever and never fails to quote it.

    Spinal Tap is closer to geek life than Office Space.

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    1. Re:I, Blasphemer by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 1


      but we're all thinking it!

      And your reason for coming to that conclusion is what again? (Other than a desire to invent facts to support a point).

      I liked it, and still like it after about four viewings. I am not a member of that "all" that you are referring to (which means it was a lie to say "we all".)

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    2. Re:I, Blasphemer by cabra771 · · Score: 1

      Office Space isn't a movie that a lot of people 'get' in one sitting. It's definitely in the same relm as The Big Lebowski in this respect. You probably won't like it all that much after seeing it once, but it really grows on you after a few viewings. But that's just my opinion.

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    3. Re:I, Blasphemer by EtherAlchemist · · Score: 1


      Hey, congratulations- you like the movie. That must mean that everyone did, then?

      Hmm, maybe I should add a disclaimer to my sig (notice I said I and not we all) that qualifies all preceding text by the author as opinion unless stated otherwise.

      Perhaps it's a fact that there is always one or more people who will take what's said by others as literal and not figurative. Some are people who are just dicks about it, but that's my opinion.

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    4. Re:I, Blasphemer by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 1


      (notice I said I and not we all)

      Since you're memory is so short, here's your exact words to remind you again:

      Yeah, I said it, but we're all thinking it!

      A person is entitled to his own opinion. He is not entitled to dictate the opinions of others.

      Some are people who are just dicks about it

      I do not apologise for demanding honesty.

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    5. Re:I, Blasphemer by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      Why do we always come back to this movie? Other than a few funny sequences and lines, it's basically boring. Yeah, I said it, but we're all thinking it!

      I agree. Just watch the first 20 minutes or so. After that it stops being really funny and just kind of drones on for a bit. The ending isn't really that great, either.

      But the first 20 minutes or so are really great. The only thing is I don't think you could really fill a movie with office humor, eventually that would get dull too since nothing would change. Unfortunately for Office Space, the plot they decided to use was subpar at best.

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    6. Re:I, Blasphemer by Wraithlyn · · Score: 1

      "Yeah, I said it, but we're all thinking it!"

      No, we're NOT all thinking it, as several others have already confirmed. People usually don't like being spoken for like that.

      Yes, I read your rant agaist the other guy about how that's just your opinion, but you need to learn how to phrase it as your opinion, and not as a generalization.

      What's wrong with saying, "I bet we're all thinking it", "I imagine we're all thinking it", "I suspect we're all thinking it", "I'm sure we're all thinking it", or something along those lines?

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    7. Re:I, Blasphemer by EtherAlchemist · · Score: 1


      No, we're NOT all thinking it, as several others have already confirmed.

      Totally, and on the other side of the coin, some people have agreed with me. So does that validate or invalidate my opinion? Neither- it's an opinion, it doesn't need validation.

      I read your rant agaist the other guy

      So then you saw the part about "literal" and "figurative" but yet you don't make this distinction either.

      What's wrong with saying...

      Not a thing. All perfectly valid. They're just not what I said. I will never make the claim that I am perfectly spoken, or written for that matter. I post here somewhat frequently, I read here several times a day, and there is a lot more bullshit coming out of people's mouths that warrant more criticism than what I said, but I welcome it all. Hell, I'll even take the time to write you back. I believe everyone has the right to say what's on their mind, including myself.

      I guess I could have summed it all up many posts ago with a simple "Fuck me for trying to be funny and make a point at the same time." But I chose not to, and here we are.

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    8. Re:I, Blasphemer by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 1

      I have no tolerance for people who expect me to have ESP. Stop blaming me for assuming you meant what you wrote. YOU SAID we all agree with you. Then you backpedalled on it. That's fine, mistakes are often made in writing, and maybe you didn't mean what you wrote. But it *IS* what you wrote, so don't blame me for correctly reading what you incorrectly wrote.

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    9. Re:I, Blasphemer by Monkelectric · · Score: 1
      Why do we always come back to this movie?

      The first time I saw Office Space I thought it was retarded. I saw it on a weekend ... Then, at some point during the next week it dawned on me that I was *living* office space, except unlike the movie I didn't have a gorgeous g/f, and there would be no escape.

      People love the movie because its a story about people in their situation. If you haven't had that kind of job then I could see how you could understand. If you have that kind of job, and don't understand, then, you don't have much of a sense of humor :)

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    10. Re:I, Blasphemer by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 1

      I am intolerant of some things, not of others. That does not make me any more or less tolerant than anyone else. I am very proud of the fact that I don't tolerate some things, like lying, or being blamed for someone else's inability to communicate.

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    11. Re:I, Blasphemer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last Word

    12. Re:I, Blasphemer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not thinking it....you don't speak for me. Ass.

    13. Re:I, Blasphemer by riceboy50 · · Score: 1

      My friends and I worked in a frustrating company like that. We used to watch Office Space when we were especially upset and talk about how the various characters were like people we knew at work. Obviously it's somewhat exaggerated, but I think that's why it's funny. I think it's hilarious personally. Of course, I am only speaking for myself...

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  28. Re:soul of a new machine -good but Dated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read this for a Contemporary Literature class back in '90. Its quite good as literature, but I'm sure any new engineering student would shrug this off as antiquated. ShowStopper, which is about David Cutler, is not nearly as good, but it gave me insights about M$ and even the philiosophties behind WindowsNT which felt more pertinent. The author obviously had to kiss ass to get access to people at M$, but some ugly office politics are in there, and and dark shadow of the evil empire is ever-present, despite some touchy-feely "what a big business you have!" drivel.

  29. Lawson's Crappy Site by megamouse · · Score: 5, Funny
    I like how Lawson's site renders horribly (in IE as well as Firefox) and contains broken image tags.

    Witness their News tab here.

    Perhaps it's OT, but would you buy enterprise software from a company that can't even manage a web site?

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    1. Re:Lawson's Crappy Site by tbatst2000 · · Score: 1

      "BestJobsUSA.com named Lawson a top "500 Employer of Choice" for the second consecutive year."

    2. Re:Lawson's Crappy Site by Otter · · Score: 1

      Having used their procurement software -- that site is a thing of beauty compared to their product. The client looks like it was thrown together by someone 20 minutes into Learn Visual Basic In 24 Hours.

    3. Re:Lawson's Crappy Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think the web site is bad? You've obviously never used their software. It's like someone said, "let's take every possible useful field (like, say, a text description) and instead display the UID instead!" Genius!

      My company uses it for things like expenses and timekeeping. I've seen a lot of software, but this really looks like someone designed it to expose all the underlaying parts of the database while keeping the user friendly bit hidden.

  30. Re:For those that didn't get the joke. by RandoX · · Score: 1

    http://www.hosstyle.com/kittens.htm

  31. I HAVE lived it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At the height of my madness I refused to close any tags or drink fluorinated water. My precious bodily fluids remain pristine to this day despite the best efforts of the illuminati.

  32. alternatives to this book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dilbert - any Dilbert book/collection. You will get pretty much the same insight, but you might find it funnier.

  33. Looking forward to the cartoon strip! by dotmike · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I got a job and realized that almost everyone I worked with, worked for, or had to suck up to was incompetent

    That's the Dilbert Principle in action. Or I suppose the Peter Principle really (where *everyone* is incompetent, not just managers), but Scott Adams made it funnier.

    Things could work out well:

    1. Get job where almost everyone worked with, worked for, or had to suck up to was incompetent.
    2. Leave job and instead write about job where almost everyone worked with, worked for, or had to suck up to was incompetent.
    3. Profit!
    1. Re:Looking forward to the cartoon strip! by wilhelmgoetz · · Score: 1

      Peter Principle really (where *everyone* is incompetent, not just managers)
      The peter principle says that everyone who can do their job gets promoted until they reach a position where they are incompetent and cease getting promoted; so you only reach a state of global incompetence if you don't hire anyone new. Employees can avoid it by refusing promotions for new responsibilities, just take promotions on pay.
      The bureaucracy is really the problem, since those incompetent can't be demoted or fired (since they've protected their jobs like those in the book, etc).

  34. A fleeting thought by asliarun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know, i've realized that it's easy to write sad shit, but incredibly difficult to write happy stuff. The funny thing is that most of us, at least the self-fashioned highbrows, deign to write favourable critiques only if it's depressing enough for you to slash your wrists! This penchant for despair is also something that i've been noticing in some of the /. comments and posts.

    I've been there and lived through that. I'm also sure that most of us have had our periods of depressions and frustrations too (choose your timeframe: junior school, high school, college, limbo between college and first job, stuck in a dead-end job etc.). I just want to say this, and i'm quoting here: THIS IS AS GOOD AS IT GETS.

    Jobs will never come easy, and they'll never be a perfect fit for your skills and your interests. Money'll not come easy either. As for love, heck, we're all geeks here. We'll manage to find someone if we're incredibly lucky, brave and desparate enough to go through the trial and error process, and only if we're reasonably good looking to boot! What's left? NOTHING, except for unconditional love, perhaps, if you buy a dog. Yes, this is tabula rasa and it always will be.

    What i do, or at least try to do nowadays, is to stop reading this kind of depressing garbage and just focus on the little things. The joy of coding is not to be found in managing to decipher uncommented legacy code or what have you, but in managing to decipher a gem in the uncommented legacy code. It's not sneering at the 101 coding errors that we can find in someone else's code but in finding the one inexplicable construct in someone else's code and the thrill of discovering a new thought pattern.

    Or, as the Hagakure suggests:-
    "Among the maxims on Lord Naoshige's wall there was this one: Matters of great concern should be treated lightly. Master Ittei wrote: Matters of small concern should be treated seriously."

    I'm sorry if i've completely digressed here, as this is supposed to be a book review. However, i do feel an undercurrent of depression in most posts nowadays and just wanted to share my thoughts with all of you.

    1. Re:A fleeting thought by Bodhammer · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Thank you for your post. Slashdot has been depressing lately between the bush/kerry zealots and the IT layoff crap.

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    2. Re:A fleeting thought by sharkfish · · Score: 1
      However, i do feel an undercurrent of depression in most posts nowadays and just wanted to share my thoughts with all of you.

      Good point. We are depressed. We are all in dead-end careers that took us, minimally, a 4 year degree and 4-10 years of study and experience and now our financial worth on the job market is....well, zilch when there are few jobs. For most of us in our thirties, switching careers is like trying to find your one true love....the harder you look, the more desperate you become, the less likely you'll succeed.

      If you don't take joy in writing code, get out. Now. It doesn't get better. Period.

      I'll stick to reading science fiction. At least the hero gets to fly around in space ships, or build something to save mankind. Living vicariously through a science fiction hero is always better than reading about how ridiculous my current life has become.

    3. Re:A fleeting thought by Mr.+Bad+Example · · Score: 1

      > If you don't take joy in writing code, get out. Now. It doesn't get better. Period.

      Done. Or will have been done soon, anyway. I'm leaving my dead-end software development job and going back to school in spring of 2005...at the age of 34. My parents are thrilled.

      They're even more thrilled about my choice of major, but that's a story for another time.

    4. Re:A fleeting thought by unother · · Score: 1

      Or, as the Hagakure suggests:- "Among the maxims on Lord Naoshige's wall there was this one: Matters of great concern should be treated lightly. Master Ittei wrote: Matters of small concern should be treated seriously."

      Great. Thanks for the deep thought, Ghost Dog...

    5. Re:A fleeting thought by mutterc · · Score: 1
      My T'ai Chi teacher says that positive thinking takes discipline and effort; that, left to itself, one's mind will start down a spiral of negative thinking. I am inclined to agree, having lived that depressive spiral many, many times (aack! Capitalist dystopia just around the corner! Better start learning how to scrounge food out of dumpsters!)

      I've heard the theory that this was a survival advantage in caveman days, and now hangs around as evolutionary baggage (just like greed and us-vs.-them - survival advantage for cavemen, bad for industrialized society). (Did that rock just move? I bet it's something that'll eat me. Better round up the guys and go kill it.)

      OTOH, we all know paranoia has its usefulnesses, even today, especially in programming. (Trust that buffer to be non-NULL? Never!)

    6. Re:A fleeting thought by shostiru · · Score: 4, Insightful
      (I'm not directing this at the parent post so much as making observation on issues raised therein).

      For the vast majority of people out there -- including us geeks -- all it takes to find a good partner, a good job, or most anything else in life is an understanding of primate social behaviour and courage. You can either wait around to "get lucky" (with relationships, jobs, etc.), or you can go out and put your ass on the line *every fucking day* until confidence with social skills becomes natural. You don't need to *be* the alpha primate, you just need to fake it in appropriate situations well enough to fool everyone else.

      No, there's no unconditional love, at least not outside of family and pets (and you can screw up either if you try hard enough). Seriously, why would you expect any different? Would *you* stick around in a job or relationship no matter how much it sucked? People respect you more when you expect the best of them, not tolerate the worst, and once you lose people's respect in a relationship or on the job, you're shark bait.

      You don't need to be "reasonably good looking" to find a relationship; even if your appearance is well below average you can more than make up for it with attitude and experience. You *do* need to act like you've got a pair. That took me a long time to figure out (damn shame Heartless Bitches International wasn't around then), even longer to put into action, mostly because I didn't want it to be true. As if the world cares what I want.

      What's certainly not going to work is expecting the rules of the game to change because we want them to. People -- all people, including us geeks -- are animals first, rational second, and behave accordingly. Either play that to your advantage (ethically, one would hope) and win, ignore it and lose, or do your best to opt out completely.

      For a lot of people out there, being depressed may be out of one's hands, but *staying* depressed isn't. I have great sympathy for those who cannot get medical or psychiatric treatment. I have absolutely none for those who can, but refuse to do so (or who see a shrink but won't do any of the hard work). Having been there myself I don't think I'm too far off the mark. It is my belief -- and I realize it won't be shared by all -- that some people go through periods in life where we'd sooner stay depressed and whine than get off our asses and fix things. I was there, many of my friends have been there. All the pity in the world doesn't help as much as one person saying "suck it up, everyone's got problems."

      And "suck it up" applies to bad IT jobs as well. I like reading about peoples' shitty IT jobs, I think most of these Death March stories are funny in a sick sort of way. But if you're in that position, either get (or create) a better job, or detach yourself emotionally, slack off, and think of it as absurdist humor. Either way *try* to remember that there are people in this country getting paid minimum wage, or worse, to do things you probably wouldn't do for many times your current salary.

  35. STATE FARM ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe I am out of it but thats my best guess.

  36. Jobs at that place? by gmletzkojr · · Score: 4, Funny

    Did anyone else go to that guys' (old?) company, Lawson Software, just to see if there were any jobs available? Or was I the only one?

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  37. boooring! by cabazorro · · Score: 1

    Unless you are one of the hackers in the X-Files trying to solve supernatural phenomena, the vicissitudes of the marasmic hacker-dude life in the SDP are at best dull and inconsequential. The real excitement comes with the dream of the ever--so-more-elusive life outside the net.

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  38. I saw Office Space for the first time last week... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and wished I had saw it when it first came out. I might have saved five years of my life :-S

  39. Mario by RasendeRutje · · Score: 1

    Cube farm? Is this about rendering a full length Super Mario Movie?

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  40. Hahahaha! Lawson! by vistic · · Score: 1

    My dad used to work at Lawson software back in the 80's! I got to get him this book.

    I think the times my dad took me into Lawson's big computer room with it's raised floor and tall computers spinning those big tape reels probably helped spark my interest in computers a lot... and probably part of the reason why I'm a CS student now.

  41. If you are so smart... by TamMan2000 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... Why did you go to such a shitty school?

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    1. Re:If you are so smart... by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 1

      It was a $30k/year school with a terrific name and a free ride waiting for me. For this field, MIT would have been a better (the best?) choice.

    2. Re:If you are so smart... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guess you weren't smart enough to make the correct choice, Mr. 99th percentile. I respect that IQ test number even more now thanks for sharing.

    3. Re:If you are so smart... by TamMan2000 · · Score: 1

      It was a $30k/year school with a terrific name and a free ride waiting for me. For this field, MIT would have been a better (the best?) choice.

      I am having a little trouble parsing that...

      Are you saying it is a good school, but it sucks for what you wanted to do? If that is the case you are a fool for going there.

      Or are you saying it is a good school for what you wanted to do, but MIT is better? This statement and your descriptions of the faculty appear to be mutually exclusive.

      Oh yeah, and how much your school costs doesn't mean squat. I went to a top 10 engineering school and payed 1/10th of the tuition you described (Ain't midwestern state schools great?).

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      "I'll have a Guinness, no wait, make that a Coors Light" -Grad student I work with, who shall remain anonymous...
    4. Re:If you are so smart... by Derkec · · Score: 1

      If the school was half way competent in the engineering disciplines, it really should have been fine. You're looking at a few top schools CMU, Stanford, Cal Tech, and MIT and after that, a large number of very good schools.

      But let's face it, in college we mostly learn to communicate and to think. Learning to program needs to be done at internships, at home and at work.

      College programming classes should give a good foundation in theory, but that's just about it.

    5. Re:If you are so smart... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me help you out with something. They are better than you. Even if you don't want to believe it, it is true.

      You are not nearly as smart as you think you are, and you most likely will never be. They, on the other hand, are much smarter than you give them credit for. This is because of your parents, probably. You point out these obvious frustrations, and they talk about you behind your back. You know what they say, "He's too clueless to realize that it's on purpose."

      I assure you it is. I assure you that they are all more clever than you. I assure you that your business will fail, long before it even gets off the ground.

      You know what you could do at Google? Nothing, because you wouldn't be respected because you don't know how to do anything right.

      It doesn't matter how smart you are, it matters how well you do things right. Not what you think is right. Big difference.

    6. Re:If you are so smart... by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 1

      It was a terrific school. The biggest problem was that I ended up in the wrong track because I made up my mind too late. I was a Japanese major. That meant I couldn't be a computer science or engineering major. But studying abroad in Japan gave me the opportunity to finish my major in two years. I spent the next two years doing "computer stuff." The department I was in was not aimed at programmers or someone with my areas of interest... my advisor admitted this to me far too late for me to change my mind. I've thought about going back to school for a more solid background in some of my interests...

      I would love to be artificial intelligence, for example. MIT would be a great place to study this... my school doesn't have anything decent for it. As I mentioned in another post, my AI class (the only one I could find that they offered) consisted of meaningless crap.

      I look back at college as a chance to learn whatever I want without worrying about paying bills and working 8-5 for a couple of jackasses. I'm at fault for not taking better advantage of this time in my life. Now I'm fighting the uphill battle of trying to make ends meet (my wife's grad student stipend isn't enough) while figuring out how to make my life better.

      I agree that what a school costs doesn't mean that much. But it's hard to pass up a free ride at a top 25 school. As an 18 year old considering theatre, film, computer science, Japanese, engineering, and physics as potential majors, the school I went to offered me the most flexibility.

    7. Re:If you are so smart... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It doesn't matter how smart you are, it matters how well you do things right. Not what you think is right. Big difference.

      It reminds me of the saying along the lines of "When you're a child, people judge you on potential. When you're an adult, people judge you on what you do."

      I think some people forget this. (I'm not specifically having a go at the grandparent poster here...)

    8. Re:If you are so smart... by jsebrech · · Score: 2, Informative

      I would love to be artificial intelligence, for example. MIT would be a great place to study this... my school doesn't have anything decent for it. As I mentioned in another post, my AI class (the only one I could find that they offered) consisted of meaningless crap.

      If you want to learn about anything, and you're smart enough to comprehend things without having them spoonfed, you're better off seeing what kind of books rank highest on that topic on amazon, and buying them. Get a good introductory AI book, then use the knowledge gleaned from that to decide which direction you want to go in. I picked up computational linguistics that way.

      Schools are not meant to educate you, they are meant to give you credibility and reliability quality indicators in society, possible limited to certain knowledge sets (also known as degrees). The education is just a way for the school to keep up the reputation that the quality labels they stamp on you are sufficient.

    9. Re:If you are so smart... by TFGeditor · · Score: 1

      "If you want to learn about anything, and you're smart enough to comprehend things without having them spoonfed, you're better off seeing what kind of books rank highest on that topic on amazon, and buying them."

      That's the best advice I have seen in this thread. I have worked in robotics (low-level), R&D, manufacturing engineering, and test engineering (20 years of the latter as a consultant) on the strength of an 8th grade education and all the books I could read. Not that I am "so smart," but to illustrate the poster's point that all school teaches you is *how to learn.* After that, you are on your own, and better off for it.

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    10. Re:If you are so smart... by CharlesEGrant · · Score: 1
      If you want to learn about anything, and you're smart enough to comprehend things without having them spoonfed, you're better off seeing what kind of books rank highest on that topic on amazon, and buying them.
      I think you're selling a good university education short. Most of us suffer from the vice of self-deception and can fool ourselves all too easily about how well we've mastered a subject. There nothing like having your work reviewed every week by a skilled critic to keep you honest. There is also the benefit of having accesss to research programs and labratory facilities.
    11. Re:If you are so smart... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I don't buy it.

      It was a terrific school. The biggest problem was that I ended up in the wrong track because I made up my mind too late. I was a Japanese major. That meant I couldn't be a computer science or engineering major.

      A terrific "top 25" school that won't let you double major, change majors or take classes outside your college? If you were considering an engineering major, obviously the school has a college of engineering. But the courses you described sound like the "Remedial Computing for Liberal Arts majors" curriculum.

      We could clear some of this up if you told us what school we're talking about, but at this point I suspect that would lead to some or other exaggeration biting you in the ass, so I don't expect it.

      Conclusions:

      • We can't really tell how smart (a terribly vague term to begin with) you actually are from what we've seen.
      • You're clearly not as smart as you think you are.
      • If your school offers even some of what your claims imply (e.g. decent engineering curricula), you blew a great opportunity to learn computer science (or something else of value), although it is impossible to tell if that was due to laziness or genuinely being a dumbass.
      Normally I wouldn't be so hard on you, but you jumped into this thread with some serious ego. My advice: learn (or exercise) humility, take ownership of your flaws and failures (no excuses), figure out what you want to do and learn as much about it as you can (on your own, go back to school, take a low level job in that area, etc...). But take heart, because nearly everyone can benefit from the foregoing advice, and if you really apply it you'll be ahead of most people (if not necessarily "smarter"). Best of luck.
    12. Re:If you are so smart... by jsebrech · · Score: 1

      I agree that if you can't learn honestly without supervision, you're better off in a formal environment. That's why I said the bit about having things spoonfed.

      Still, you shouldn't overvalue formal education either. Having someone review your work is useful, but not mandatory. And if you really have questions, most fields of study have forums you can ask them in for free.

  42. Break out of the farm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I think I speak for a lot of people when I say I can relate to this story. I started 5 years ago working desktop support for a large international bank, at the time I had desire to learn and drive to succeed. In my relatively short career, I've accomplished more than I imagined I could. I made it out of desktop support, worked in the server support group for awhile, then became a SQL DBA. No matter what job I did, I always asked the right questions, and worked my butt off to get to the next level.

    The problem is I worked too hard and was pushed into management. They said I was the only person with the broad range of skills. I thought, "cool, another job challenge to overcome", besides "they need me". Little did I know all of the bureaucracy I would have to endure... Meetings to talk about work but never actually get things done. I have no authority of other technology groups other than my own... so I get screwed when other groups aren't doing their jobs. My new boss doesn't care about my desire to return to be a technology resource, so I'm left swimming on my own. I now official HATE MY JOB!

    Moral of the story for all you young people just starting out, don't be disenchanted for by corporations. If you find the right one, you have the potential to learn a lot and go far. But you have to realize when enough is enough. The corporate bureaucracy can kill your soul if you stay too long.

    As for me, I will be resigning in a few more weeks after my 401k official becomes vested, and won't look back. It's time to get out of the farm and move onto greener pastures.

  43. You've confused median with mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is entirely possible to be in the top half (above the median) but below-average (below the mean).

    1. Re:You've confused median with mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not in a normal distribution. Median and mean are the same thing.

  44. Lived it, litterally. by Kamelion · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'll have to read this book. I'm an ex-Lawson employee. Laid off in 2002.

    I need to defend something here. Although Bill might have been fed another story. The K&R code base did not lack comments for compilation speed. Back in 1997 I was told that it was because the code was meant to be "self documenting", that is, it was meant to be plain enough that you didn't need comments to understand it and comments got in the way and made the code more difficult to read. Also unless you are talking Universe 2.x or earlier it wasn't K&R any more, it was a mix of ANSI and K&R. We adjusted the compiler flags on the Unix platforms to allow for the mixture of syntaxes.

    Bill might have been fed a different story though. I always added comments above functions that I went in to maintain. I was never told that I could not comment my code, just that I shouldn't litter the code with comments.

    I liked working for Lawson up until the end. Lawson started going down hill when they started focussing on their IPO. Once Lawson focussed their goals on market cap rather than producing a quality product, the company started to spiral, IMHO.

    I also feel the company lacked vision. Since '98 we had a Linux product that Lawson refused to market or offer to interested customers. I doubt it exists any more as I was the only one maintaining it when I was laid off in 2002. The last official line I got for The Godfather (if it is who I think it was) was that offering the product would offend MS and Lawson would never risk offending MS. Lawson's Web product used to be browser agnostic until some MS zelot got in control of the project and decreed that it would only work on IE. There was no real technical reason for that limitation.

    Sadly Lawson was the best employer I ever had. I came from a worse environment and the one I'm in now makes Lawson look really good. Sigh.

    1. Re:Lived it, litterally. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ...it was meant to be plain enough that you didn't need comments to understand it and comments got in the way and made the code more difficult to read.
      Yeah, in bizzaro world. Meanwhile, back in the real world...
    2. Re:Lived it, litterally. by oo_waratah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "...it was meant to be plain enough that you didn't need comments to understand it and comments got in the way and made the code more difficult to read."

      This comment is actually true. In the extreme case, I teach University at times and I get submissions from Students who have heard me say "comments are good", they take this to heart. A 12 line shell script becomes a 400 line monster with all the comments including a cut and paste of the assignment sheet.

      Good comments are the hardest thing in a programmer has to do. I don't think I have it right after many years of coding.

  45. Small world by PorkCharSui · · Score: 2, Informative

    Bill Bluden is my data structures TA at UC Davis. I had him for discussion at 8am this morning. He spent about 10 mintues at the beginning of the quarter telling about his book. Small world.

  46. For me it used to be fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I started out working for a small company experiencing, what seemed to be, exponential growth.

    It was owned by a really smart guy who just cared about results and understood that people are a package deal: if you like the good things about a person (like skill at coding/design), then you have to take that with the bad (like keeping odd hours, forgetting to attend meetings cos you are so zoned out in a coding trance).

    Our team consisted of about 5 guys who liked to have a good time at work. There was lots of noisy horseplay and practical jokes. The thing that infuriated everyone else is that we (5 guys) worked on a project that made 1/3 of the revenue for the whole company (which by then had grown to 300+ people) so there was no way they were going to fire us.

    Because of our highly unique work style, they decided to isolate us one one floor of an old building (the company had grown so fast that it had to lease space in several buildings)

    That's when the fun really started. While we never made pretesne of keeping normal business hours now we came and left any damn time we chose. Sometimes I'd come in to work at 11:00 hack a bit of code and take off at 2:00. I remember my boss telling me that we had to come in by at least 10:30. We'd hoot holler and yell inside jokes at each other and past anyone who dared show up on the floor.

    The end came when were were bought by a large borg like software multinational. Then the old gang kind of split up some fired some trying unsucessfully to get fired some drifting off to become consultants.

    Since then I have bounced from one contract to another, making a lot more money, but really missing the camaraderie we had back then.

    If I had any advice to offer it would be to pay as much attention to social factors when choosing a job as the salary. You want a nice team of people you can have fun with at work. In the end it makes your life a lot better than some extra cash.

  47. Yes and no and "The Office" by swb · · Score: 1

    I've seen it three times now. The first time I thought it was brilliant. The second time, I thought it was kind of boring. The third time I thought it was more clever than the first time, and I caught a bunch of things I missed then.

    unfortunately, it's not nearly as good as "The Office" on the BBC. I can't think of anything that will exceed that for artistic critique on the modern office environment.

  48. Apple? by eclectic4 · · Score: 1

    I thought this was going to be a story about a Macintosh Cube render farm.

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    "The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel Boorstin
  49. THEM vs THEY by Lansphere · · Score: 1

    So you,re the THEY that THEY mean when THEY say THEY!

  50. If you're so smart... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...why ain't you rich???

    1. Re:If you're so smart... by Lobo93 · · Score: 1

      Hehe... You're either trolling, flaming or making fun of the guy. Who knows these days - maybe I should've watched more Seinfeld?

      But being rich is hardly a matter of being smart; the only smart thing these capitalistic sycophants ever did would've been to hook up with the right connections. They teach 'em about tax evation, money laundering, bribes and good ol' "doing-things-under-the-table" stuff. Mafioso light, if you want to label it. It's been like this since some "bright" chap discovered private(privi) law(lege) way back in time, whilst riding his camel. You see, in a convoy of camels, it's often the case that some of these magnificent "ships of the desert" have to let go of the excrements in a manner likening the release of steam from a boiler - hence, the "bright" chap took a load of shit in the face, and the rest is history...

      --
      "The only clear view is from atop the mountain of our dead selves." - Peter Carroll
  51. Drop out of the system by Unoti · · Score: 1

    I disagree. Drop out of the system. I did. I'm never going back to a cube farm again. Ever. The only reason people feel stuck is that they have very expensive lifestyles to pay for. It's surprising how little you miss all of the shit once it's gone (new cars, cable TV, new computers, overpriced clothes, etc.) Ah, good point. But there is a reason you're missing for why people might not drop out of the system. Alimony, and child support.

    1. Re:Drop out of the system by DogDude · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ah, good point. But there is a reason you're missing for why people might not drop out of the system. Alimony, and child support.

      Very true. Once you have a kid, you're screwed. You've got to support that kid for at least 20 years. That's a hell of a lot of pressure. I didn't even think about that. But then again, people only have kids if they're well off enough that they can afford the kid... right?

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      I don't respond to AC's.
    2. Re:Drop out of the system by serutan · · Score: 1

      DogDude, I'm interested in what you are saying. I even checked out PhideauPets. So do you make a living running that business now, or do you do websites and that's just one of them, or what?

      My reaction to reading several of the long posts above was, if these guys are so unhappy where they are why don't they do something else? Getting tired of company politics was what drove me into contracting more than 15 years ago and I've never looked back. Higher pay, even after you buy your own insurance and give yourself unpaid vacation. No worries about clueless managers. This time next year they'll still be here and I won't. No fear of layoffs -- they're expected and predictable. I welcome the small break at the end of each project. My favorite t-shirt: "Chaos. Panic. Disorder. My work here is done."

    3. Re:Drop out of the system by drew · · Score: 1

      But then again, people only have kids if they're well off enough that they can afford the kid... right?

      If only this were true. On a slightly related note....

      Study: Uneducated Outbreeding Intelligentsia 2-To-1

      CHICAGO--In a report with dire implications for the intellectual future of America, a University of Chicago study revealed Monday that the nation's uneducated are breeding twice as soon and twice as often as those with university diplomas. "The average member of the American underclass spawns at age 15, compared to age 30 for the average college-educated professional," study leader Kenneth Stalls said. "America's intellectual elite, as a result, is badly losing the genetic marathon, with two generations of dullards born for every one generation of cultured literates." Added Stalls: "At this rate, by the year 2100 there will be five smart people on Earth, swallowed whole by more than 12 billion mouth-breathers incapable of understanding the binary exponentiation that swamped the Earth with their like." High-school dropout Mandi Drucker, 16, said of the findings, "All I know is, we're in love."

      --The Onion
      Volume 31 Issue 18--13 May 1997

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      If I don't put anything here, will anyone recognize me anymore?
  52. Read "Headcrash" !!! by CaptKilljoy · · Score: 1

    >...and rent Office Space.

    Everybody's seen Office Space already. Anyone who like it should run out immediately and find a copy of Bruce Bethke's novel, "Headcrash". Think of it as a cyberpunk-ish version of Office Space, only funnier.

  53. I would... by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

    ...but my mother now works in the campus IT department. I currently work on campus as a student tutor.

    They just released new policies in the student worker handbook that are intended as preventative maintenance against nepotism. As it is, I'm quietly walking on a fine line, simply due to the fact that we currently work in the same room. :(

    Tuition isn't free for me, but I do get $400 off every semester, which is approximately half the bill before books.

  54. A fleeting thought-Architect. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Become an architect. A creative job, in which you design something that people use every day, solving difficult constraints all the way. If you do a good job, you'll get wrote up in trade magazines, and even books. Plus you'll have the satisfaction of building something that'll outlast anything you can build in IT.

    1. Re:A fleeting thought-Architect. by ErikZ · · Score: 1


      Don't you need a masters degree to do that?

      ANOTHER 6 years of college?

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      Democrats or Republicans. They are both taking us to the same place and they are not afraid of us anymore.
  55. "life's not fair" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    from k-12 I was excluded and picked on. No one cared. "Life's not fair", they told me.

    In college, people left me alone and magically, I did well academically. Shit still happened but not on the order to make my life a hell. Then bush stole the election. "Get over it" they said. Right wingers poured onto the airwaves and insulted me and everyone like me. "Life's not fair", I remembered. Bush appointed convicted criminals to high places; he put people in charge of the EPA and DOJ who were suitable to be on the receiving end of those departments' lawsuits, not running them. "Life's not fair". Bush lied, and still lies, about the reasons for going into Iraq. Right wingers reelected him because they don't know and don't care, as long as gays can't marry and Jim Crow can be kept alive (even in blue states). Bush says atheists aren't good citizens or patriots. Bush says he's going to bankrupt the government. Life's not fair.

    If life's so fucking unfair, why should I obey the law? Apparently 52% of the country, including the top leaders, don't give a rats ass about truth, justice, or the law. Why should I?

    1. Re:"life's not fair" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you're too chickenshit to do anything else, Mr. Paranoid Retard.

  56. Oooh, ooh, I'll bite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Is it interpretive dance?

    1. Re:Oooh, ooh, I'll bite by Mr.+Bad+Example · · Score: 1

      > Is it interpretive dance?

      One notch up...theatre. This has been building for a while--I've been acting for the last three years or so, and even gotten paid for it once or twice. It makes me excited and happy, as opposed to software development, which now leaves me bored and sad...like clowns or Belgians.

  57. Re: use a dictionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >> Bright, innocent, bushytailed overachiever geek, inexorably crushed by the harsh realities of corporate America, turns into
    >
    >A corporate former-programmer evil brain who uses his monopoly to crush the competition!
    >
    >Yes! That'd be a wonderful story - oh, wait...

    Well, I hope at least you will look up "inexorable" before you write your book! ;)

  58. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  59. Troll? by RealProgrammer · · Score: 1

    That was comedy, pure comedy.

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    sigs, as if you care.
  60. For once, not a dilbert quote by hayden · · Score: 2, Funny
    From Drew Cary.

    "Oh, you hate your job? Why didn't you say so? There's a support group for that. It's called EVERYBODY, and they meet at the bar."

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    Nerd: Derogatory term typically directed at anybody with a lower Slashdot ID than you.
  61. Knock it off by TiggertheMad · · Score: 1

    Thank you for your post. Slashdot has been depressing lately between the bush/kerry zealots and the IT layoff crap.

    HEY, stow that prozac-fueled bullshit, Pollyanna! You're messing up the vibe of the site. Some of us are trying to be bitter and angsty, now that were outa work and King Jr. is in the Whitehouse for another four. Now, siddown, have a slug of whiskey, and say something bad about SCO or Microsoft.

    You're like a goddamn carebear farting rainbows all over the place.

    --

    HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
    1. Re:Knock it off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And, of course, on the topic of farting rainbows...

  62. Drop out of the system-Student Loans. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Ah, good point. But there is a reason you're missing for why people might not drop out of the system. Alimony, and child support"

    Or paying off students loans, which amount to the same thing.

  63. Re:Jobs at that place? HA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They've been shedding employees at their St. Paul, MN headquarters like regular clockwork - meanwhile management keeps stating to the press and stock analysts that business will pick up once the uncertainly of the Oracle/PeopleSoft feud ends ... I'm sure this book is adding a lot of credibility to their product.

  64. For best results.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want to see old age and still have any health, try eating food that resembles something 'living' like yourself..

    Simple rules of thumbs (fingers?):

    If it comes in a box and it has more than 7 ingredients, or one of them is a specific chemical, do without.

    Don't eat anything that has already been cooked more than once. (sounds simple, no?)

    3/4 of what you eat should start out as a recognizable Earth organism of your choice (fruit, tuber, 4-legged critter, finned critter, foliage..)

    Sometimes you need the boxed ingredient to 'glue' the Earth organism-based foodstuff together. (whole-wheat flour, corn meal, noodle), but then again, a little creative tuber-action does the trick, too.

    Eating and living as a healthy Earthling isn't too tough, as long as you don't get fooled into thinking that your body runs on "products".

  65. You have to do more than read the book by Laebshade · · Score: 1
    I talk the talk and walk the walk, but now I have to read the book? Geez, whoever thought programming could be so much fun?
    Yes, and now you have to get the t-shirt and the scar to prove it.
  66. Cliff notes by Laebshade · · Score: 1

    Cliff notes: In everything there is a silver lining.

  67. Fight....take the hits...then win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Just to add my own story on this theme...plus some advice on winning. I used to work in a cool group of developers, then along came an ambitious young CMA CEO wannabe whose reputed on his first day at orientation when ask by the MD "Where do you want to be in five years" he replied "I want your job". Needless to say things went downhill. In order to shine his resume when he gained a group manager position he did things like bloat the headcount with bozos then have an infinite number of meetings to 'help us grow together', he also came up with some new quality scheme and proceeded to blast all good engineering practices in order to implement his ten step plan....only problem was he didn't tell the 'grunts', only his close mates and upper management. When I stumbled upon this (found it in the network, in the basement, in a room with a broken light bulb, under a sign that said 'beware of the leopard'), I kicked up a fuss....then I had two years of all sorts of intimidation.....oh and he'd linked this approved but undeclared company project to his final year MBA thesis....can any one say 'conflict of interest'.
    But here's the trick. Scumbags like this have a plan. This plan is their obsession. I saw a quote from Hagakure here, further study on that sort of thing will reveal if anyone is obsessed, they are afflicted with a sickness. This is their weakness, they cannot see beyond their plan.
    Their plan is more important than people. They surround themselves with others like themselves. Grunts are not real people, only tools or obstacles. Knowing this they lash out, control, dominate...their plan must be in front always. They have no real rights to do so, so they do so in sneaky ways. They use the mind-melded borg trance state of the other workers to isolate you, make you uncertain.
    Take the hits, stand your ground. Stand your ground on professional level only, don't play politics. If they do something directly ilegal or lie about you, you can take them out. If they lash out just sub-ilegal, write incidents in a diary...date them, keep electronic records, emails etc in a file. Keep the file offsite. May sound paranoid, that will be their first way to weaken your resolve, by calling you paranoid. The result is a big file and a clear documented pattern of intimidation. Declare intention to escalate, make many copies of file to lower levels of management. Wait for result. If futher intimatation, add more pages to file. If no result escalate....keep going.
    THIS pays off. Got nearly 1.5 years after tax salary, am taking half year to practice being a bum. Now must go (quite literally) and hang around beach....enjoy your day in the borg cube boys and girls. And remember there are those out there who have escaped. As Aragorn said....'there is always hope'.
    Just be a professional....it really shites managers.

  68. Screw them. by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And a list of EVIL companies that do stupid stuf like the one you're in.

    Just a question. This reminds me of the battered woman syndrome. Battered women would hate to sue their husbands because they have "nowhere else" to go.

    Is yours a similar case? How long before the company brings you to tears and turns you into a complete mess of person, blaming yourself for everything?

    Quit the damn company and screw them! Start selling your own software competing with them, and put them to shame.

  69. Anyone got a torrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    n/t

  70. An ode to anonymity by EtherAlchemist · · Score: 1


    First, I don't pretend to speak for you.
    Usually I ignore posts like this.
    Certain times, however, I may respond.
    Knowing full-well it does no good.

    Often, I'm misquoted or misread.
    For this I get called an ass?
    Fine.

    Assume what you want.
    Say what you want.
    Speak your mind, it's your right.
    Hell, mod it down if you like.
    Odd that this post got so much flak.
    Lots of others were actually controversial.
    Except mine is where people over-react.

    --
    R(k)
  71. Funny thing... by Evanisincontrol · · Score: 1

    You know what's funny about your post? The fact that you were essentially correct about your "holier than thou" comment, but then you went on to talk about something that has NOTHING to do with the phrase "holier than thou."

    If you're trying to prove what you're saying, maybe you should have pointed out that he's just trying to look good by offering his "advice," thereby making himself look superior. Or maybe you shouldn't have used that comment at all, since you don't know what it means.

  72. Lawson Architecture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/lawson_archite cture.html

  73. When you get into I.T. simply for the money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The author seems to be a very bitter man, which is not surprising being that he went to work in IT during the boom years with basically no IT experience. What does one expect?

    If you know wtf is going on, the Illuminati as the author puts it, aren't hoarding the information. You just have to ask the questions. I don't think the author knew enough to ask the right questions.

    I mean, if I suddenly decided to mirepresent myself as a qualified airline pilot, and discovered that the airline industry wasn't so great and that I tended to crash and burn a lot, should I expect sympathy?

  74. Stark Fist by flyneye · · Score: 1

    But then you'd never know what Bob did for this guys life!
    Oh well,another pink morsel for JHVH1.
    Or...you could hit the link below and have boundless sex forever!

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    *Repent!Quit Your Job!Slack Off!The World Ends Tomorrow and You May Die!
  75. Here come the old-new tool by NeedleSurfer · · Score: 1

    By ridiculing everyone who sees conspiracy (wether it exist or not) the conspirators found the best tool to shut the enlightened up.

    "Oh finaly a book that tells me I'm just a delusional moron, I'm so happy to now know that every observation my very technical, analytical, organized and rationnal mind made on politics turns out to be illusions made by my defective brain, I should have guess that all those capacity my brain possess can only be applied to my everyday job and not the rest of the world. Nevermind that I read more on politics than most politic figure I must be wrong cause I'm a programmer not a politician, here is the diploma that proves it, thank you for showing me I was just another delusional kid, I'll vote republican next elections."

  76. Re:Nice site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice site buddy. A blank directory page.

    I'm overwhelmed.

  77. Darn that title by ChTh · · Score: 1

    Here I think I'll see a Beowulf cluster rendering farm of GameCubes. I'm so disappointed!

  78. That reminds me of an old term by empaler · · Score: 1

    Debt slave.

    Back in ancient Rome, they had debt slaves - people who were forced to stay where they were because they owed money.
    Funny thing, really... Do you know why slavery was abolished in Scandinavia? (Some time in the middle ages)
    It was cheaper to arrange things differently... There was laws pertaining to how you could treat your slaves, but free men (and women) had to look out for themselves.