When the ship is sinking, the women and children leave first don't they?:)
Here's a good example of why they're leaving. A sexist and immature comment like this gets modded "Insightful".
This is a good example of the crap that too many IT guys talk about in their spare time at the workplace. I work at a tech department with 5 tech guys and around 8 women who don't work in our department, but in the same building. Its amazing how often one of the other guys will come in, shut my door, and then let loose with a bunch of sexist, racist, and unwholesome comments. Quite frankly, its tiresome, and if there are women in IT that get a whiff of that, I'm sure they're not appreciative of it.
I'm a guy, and I can't even stand some of the crap that gets spewed for "fun" where I work. I miss the two women that used to work in my department. I at least had SOME reprieve from this THEN.
There is a comment later on in this topic that said "Guys like to act like guys, and women in the workplace force them to act polite. I don't like that." I'm sorry, but if Maturity, Politeness, Decency, and Peace of Mind are the HORRIBLE SIDE EFFECTS of having women in the workplace, I could use a lot more of them here.
you've just described "Diminishing Utility", which is something that you learn in Econ 101 as well. Quite frankly, it does nothing to disprove his point, as it doesn't negate the law of demand. Not only that, the Utility considered in downloadable music is FAR FAR too large and the diminishing of it is far too small to make it worthwile to mention in this discussion at all.
You're not even taking into consideration that the industry itself is throwing files up on the net now, instead of waiting for people to run back-door operations in order to obtain the music. That's a key point that I think many people are missing. iTMS has an incredibly large database of music that is hard to beat. Why? Because it cuts through all the crap, gives you one download that works, and has music that people haven't been able to "obtain" yet for the edonkey2000 network and other P2P networks.
I think this fact would be much much more evident with movie downloads in the future, should a similar system arise. The process involved with obtaining a movie for putting up on BT sites seems to be far too risky for a lot of people to attempt. If such a process was legalized, the amount of movies made available would skyrocket.
To the original poster: if the music industry and Apple are incapable of understanding that increasing price does not = increasing Total Revenue, then they'll simply go the way of the dinosaur. As I saw some other posters noting as well above me, Apple still has to locate their price on the demand curve, and still has to find the equilibrium. Here's the catch, though: With music downloads, the supply curve isn't in a normal pattern at all. It hardly has any angle to it at all, because the cost of putting more music on Itunes is very very small. Therefore, the equilibrium price depends almost solely upon the consumer. Apple will be willing to supply at almost any price, but the consumer has to decide how much music they would be willing to buy in a day, at a certain price. Quite frankly, Apple doesn't have much of a hold on the iTunes economy at all. They knew this when they came into this market, and did their homework well. I'm fairly confident that they'll do it again. If 5 cents is what the consumer equilibrium price is, then that's what a smart download service will put their price at. Apple is still concerned with increasing their TR, and simply increasing your price won't do that. You have to stay in touch with your consumers, and consistently ask them what's fair to them.
My ISP (I use Charter) seems to be choking my BT upload already, anyways. I can't get more than 25k on my upload without flooding the pipe and reducing my dl to nothing (bandwidth tests show 4.5M down, 256k up). Will this 'bulk data' upgrade help any of that? I know Charter isn't the only ISP doing this nowadays.
I can see it now. A linux geek in front of his computer, putting his pokemon hat on, and getting his pokemon cards ready for battle. Then, with much hesitation, he makes his decision. As he types in the server's IP address on Slashdot, he cries out, "Slashdot Effect, I choose YOU!!!"
I have to agree. There are too many users out there that aren't even computer literate, much less capable of updating their OS. A lot of them will try stuff they shouldn't even touch, too. Like BitTorrent. My dad tried using it, because he heard from someone else that it was really cool. He didn't have the foggiest clue what he was doing, but when they told him to turn off his SP2 firewall (UH-OH!) he did! I see examples of this all the time now. There were so many problems with internet applications after SP2 was released, that a lot of users have shut off the SP2 firewall. Not only that, there are a lot of businesses that use some sort of web app that requires ActiveX controls. In such a case, 9/10 scenarios require shutting off the firewall to get the software to work (although some of the software companies could have done some research to find out which settings needed to be made in the firewall). Most of them have a hardware firewall that'll block it, but as another/. user said above: "Only an SPI firewall will keep you safe." How many businesses do you know of that probably didn't think that kind of money needed to be spent?
Don't think for one SECOND that all the firewalls in the world are the answer to this, because people aren't using them like you think they do.
mod his post up, he makes a good point. This is two articles after the one concerning Symantec's new patents. This move by CA is far more political than meets the eye.
The commission's exclusion of Internet communications from the coordinated communications regulation severely undermines' the campaign finance law's purposes
Unless the campaigners have a ton of bloggers on staff that aren't asking for one damn dime, this should still be something that is costing them money. Website administration can still be a costly business. While people that aren't directly involved with the campaign aren't costing the politician any money by linking to their sites, the politician has to initially invest money to get the word out to such sites.
This feels far too much like a public squelch.
And, like I've seen posted already, what's to stop people from hosting their sites on servers based in other countries?
Besides all that, its arguable that the person that benefitted the most from the web this past election is the one that LOST. So how much of an impact is the web making, and what is it exactly undermining?
I'm not even going to consider the loss of pay that you are taking a hit on now. What I will consider is that you left your company because they switched to a different piece of software. Granted, you should stick with what you're good at, but to be that stubborn in the IT industry is professional suicide, IMHO.
but when you say "bang", what are you referring to?? I just really don't see the point unless a game attempts to use more than one process to function. Without knowing much about video game builds, would it be possible to run your graphics engine as one process, and your physics and game engine as another process? I think that if this was possible, then you would probably see a huge leap in performance. Otherwise, I don't see much need for this technology other than multitasking like a madman.
However, in saying that they are trying to increase total revenue by increasing price and taking a hit on demand, you are assuming that they have all the market share. This is obviously false. What's more, the largest market share isn't even a true market, its free trade, or "piracy". As a result, they are taking a far greater hit than they think, because as soon as they decrease their own market share, they will lose far more customers than their initial demand hit will show them. Currently, we don't have any big "booms" in music piracy. People are using shareaza, emule, and kazaa, but they aren't really encouraging each other to use them any more than the first days of napster and kazaa. Should the music industry allow music systems such as Itunes go to waste, they will definitely be looking at Shareaza and Emule suddenly becoming a big hit that friends tell friends to download (although the ones that suggest eMule should be shot...).
Another prediction: Instead of music albums as torrents, people will start compiling whole collections and throwing them up for BT. Imagine being able to download an entire collection of every song Pink Floyd ever made, or the Beatles, or the Offspring. Not to say that this isn't already happening. It is. But its not nearly as widespread as it could be when the music industry loses its market share more. This is a VERY bad idea, and we are going to see some nastiness from the RIAA again in a few months, I guarantee it. I for one am sad to say that I had held out some hope for the music industry to grow some heads, but this seems to obviously shatter that hope.
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As a long time fan of Adult Swim, I have to say that I admire the creative ability of most of the people that work on the shows. As such, I know that a lot of you guys do voice acting for much more than just one character on one show. SOOOO, we know that you did Hesh, MC Pee Pants, and Sir Loin (which was still MCPP, but oh well), but who else have you been on the Adult Swim block in the past? Which show have you had the most fun on (I won't limit this to just Sealab and ATHF)? And if you don't get in trouble for telling us, are we due for a return of MC Pee Pants on ATHF in the near or distant future?
exeem is revamp of bittorrent, made by the same people
Wow, are you misinformed or WHAT? Cohen had NOTHING to do with exeem. Matter of fact, he has sneered at it time and time again. Exeem was created by people from Supernova, which used to be the largest bittorrent site on the net. That's where I think you got confused. And its not a revamp of bittorrent, its horrible. It tries to make BT work like P2P, and it really doesn't work that well at all.
The only benefit that I have found thus-far is that you can divert one core to one process, and another core to a different process. Basically, it'll assist with multitasking. But any one program will get nearly no benefit from this whatsoever.
which is a point that was made when this rant was ORIGINALLY made in the previous dupe (see link at the bottom of his post). To reiterate some of the points made then: Why turn this into a flame-war against/. when that's so incredibly off-topic that its not even funny? Why not actually direct the subject of your post toward the Topic? Is that too fucking hard?
That being said, I'm still very worried about this case. I agree with some of the posts ahead of this one, concerning how much of a voice the consumers have in court. But maybe that's just it. Perhaps we need to stop presenting ourselves as Consumers and instead present ourselves as the Citizens of America. If we're just consumers, that's nothing more than a union that isn't on the payroll. Its all about attitude, and I don't like what I'm seeing so far.
However, I'm also considering the side effects of such a decision. Would it wake up a few more Americans to their freedom slipping away from them? Would they be able to do much after-the-fact? I honestly think that we need a better system for interacting with our government than to "Write your Senator! He cares! Really!".
I guess I just wish I knew what that might be(violence aside). Any ideas, people?
I'm surprised that their games didn't attract enough attention from EA and Activision to get bought out in a situation like this. There must have been more to their lack of funding than meets the eye...
outlaw the RIAA. Although I doubt they fall under the category in technicality, I'd like to at least see a court hearing over how they are a cartel....
I agree. I miss the old Blizzard that put their gaming experience ahead of everything else. Mind you, WOW is considered by some people to be the best game of 2004, but I really think that things such as their pay-to-play system and overall customer support is uncharacteristic of the Blizzard we all once knew. On top of that, it seems that most of the people that DON'T say that the game outright rules, go to the other extreme and say that the game outright sucks. It seems to me that their old games created either die hard fans, partial fans, or people that still couldn't stop playing the game, although once a new game came out, they'd try it, hate it, and then reinstall the Blizzard game 3 months later. I don't know about you, but I'm certainly guilty of taking a year or two off of games like Diablo II and Starcraft, and then suddenly reinstalling and playing again 24/7, something I don't do with very many games at all, mostly they become garbage in my desk. WoW doesn't seem to have that edge at all for me. But I guess it may be too early to tell.
That's a point I made when we were considering utilizing this software with our users. I only use it when someone has a problem, and here's why: The thing runs just like zonealarm. Now, I LOVE zonealarm and things that alert me when things aren't going the way they should for MY PC, but the average user usually has no clue what they are looking at when they see messages asking them "Allow or block". I would like to see security levels with this software, so that you could simply tell it how secure you want it, or what specifically to always allow, and block everything else. Then I wouldn't get a million calls from my two test users every day, asking "Which one should I click on this, allow or block?"
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I couldn't agree more............
When the ship is sinking, the women and children leave first don't they? :)
Here's a good example of why they're leaving. A sexist and immature comment like this gets modded "Insightful".
This is a good example of the crap that too many IT guys talk about in their spare time at the workplace. I work at a tech department with 5 tech guys and around 8 women who don't work in our department, but in the same building. Its amazing how often one of the other guys will come in, shut my door, and then let loose with a bunch of sexist, racist, and unwholesome comments. Quite frankly, its tiresome, and if there are women in IT that get a whiff of that, I'm sure they're not appreciative of it.
I'm a guy, and I can't even stand some of the crap that gets spewed for "fun" where I work. I miss the two women that used to work in my department. I at least had SOME reprieve from this THEN.
There is a comment later on in this topic that said "Guys like to act like guys, and women in the workplace force them to act polite. I don't like that." I'm sorry, but if Maturity, Politeness, Decency, and Peace of Mind are the HORRIBLE SIDE EFFECTS of having women in the workplace, I could use a lot more of them here.
you've just described "Diminishing Utility", which is something that you learn in Econ 101 as well. Quite frankly, it does nothing to disprove his point, as it doesn't negate the law of demand. Not only that, the Utility considered in downloadable music is FAR FAR too large and the diminishing of it is far too small to make it worthwile to mention in this discussion at all.
You're not even taking into consideration that the industry itself is throwing files up on the net now, instead of waiting for people to run back-door operations in order to obtain the music. That's a key point that I think many people are missing. iTMS has an incredibly large database of music that is hard to beat. Why? Because it cuts through all the crap, gives you one download that works, and has music that people haven't been able to "obtain" yet for the edonkey2000 network and other P2P networks.
I think this fact would be much much more evident with movie downloads in the future, should a similar system arise. The process involved with obtaining a movie for putting up on BT sites seems to be far too risky for a lot of people to attempt. If such a process was legalized, the amount of movies made available would skyrocket.
To the original poster: if the music industry and Apple are incapable of understanding that increasing price does not = increasing Total Revenue, then they'll simply go the way of the dinosaur. As I saw some other posters noting as well above me, Apple still has to locate their price on the demand curve, and still has to find the equilibrium. Here's the catch, though: With music downloads, the supply curve isn't in a normal pattern at all. It hardly has any angle to it at all, because the cost of putting more music on Itunes is very very small. Therefore, the equilibrium price depends almost solely upon the consumer. Apple will be willing to supply at almost any price, but the consumer has to decide how much music they would be willing to buy in a day, at a certain price. Quite frankly, Apple doesn't have much of a hold on the iTunes economy at all. They knew this when they came into this market, and did their homework well. I'm fairly confident that they'll do it again. If 5 cents is what the consumer equilibrium price is, then that's what a smart download service will put their price at. Apple is still concerned with increasing their TR, and simply increasing your price won't do that. You have to stay in touch with your consumers, and consistently ask them what's fair to them.
It should also be pointed out that Cohen has, on more than one occasion, said that using BT for piracy is "Stupid".
My ISP (I use Charter) seems to be choking my BT upload already, anyways. I can't get more than 25k on my upload without flooding the pipe and reducing my dl to nothing (bandwidth tests show 4.5M down, 256k up). Will this 'bulk data' upgrade help any of that? I know Charter isn't the only ISP doing this nowadays.
I can see it now. A linux geek in front of his computer, putting his pokemon hat on, and getting his pokemon cards ready for battle. Then, with much hesitation, he makes his decision. As he types in the server's IP address on Slashdot, he cries out, "Slashdot Effect, I choose YOU!!!"
I have to agree. There are too many users out there that aren't even computer literate, much less capable of updating their OS. A lot of them will try stuff they shouldn't even touch, too. Like BitTorrent. My dad tried using it, because he heard from someone else that it was really cool. He didn't have the foggiest clue what he was doing, but when they told him to turn off his SP2 firewall (UH-OH!) he did! I see examples of this all the time now. There were so many problems with internet applications after SP2 was released, that a lot of users have shut off the SP2 firewall. Not only that, there are a lot of businesses that use some sort of web app that requires ActiveX controls. In such a case, 9/10 scenarios require shutting off the firewall to get the software to work (although some of the software companies could have done some research to find out which settings needed to be made in the firewall). Most of them have a hardware firewall that'll block it, but as another /. user said above: "Only an SPI firewall will keep you safe." How many businesses do you know of that probably didn't think that kind of money needed to be spent?
Don't think for one SECOND that all the firewalls in the world are the answer to this, because people aren't using them like you think they do.
and prominent? He's lost nearly every case he's tried against the video game industry. How the hell is this guy considered to be "prominent"?
mod his post up, he makes a good point. This is two articles after the one concerning Symantec's new patents. This move by CA is far more political than meets the eye.
to be redundant: yeah, how in the fuck does the first post get "redundant"?
The commission's exclusion of Internet communications from the coordinated communications regulation severely undermines' the campaign finance law's purposes
Unless the campaigners have a ton of bloggers on staff that aren't asking for one damn dime, this should still be something that is costing them money. Website administration can still be a costly business. While people that aren't directly involved with the campaign aren't costing the politician any money by linking to their sites, the politician has to initially invest money to get the word out to such sites.
This feels far too much like a public squelch.
And, like I've seen posted already, what's to stop people from hosting their sites on servers based in other countries?
Besides all that, its arguable that the person that benefitted the most from the web this past election is the one that LOST. So how much of an impact is the web making, and what is it exactly undermining?
I'm not even going to consider the loss of pay that you are taking a hit on now. What I will consider is that you left your company because they switched to a different piece of software. Granted, you should stick with what you're good at, but to be that stubborn in the IT industry is professional suicide, IMHO.
but when you say "bang", what are you referring to?? I just really don't see the point unless a game attempts to use more than one process to function. Without knowing much about video game builds, would it be possible to run your graphics engine as one process, and your physics and game engine as another process? I think that if this was possible, then you would probably see a huge leap in performance. Otherwise, I don't see much need for this technology other than multitasking like a madman.
However, in saying that they are trying to increase total revenue by increasing price and taking a hit on demand, you are assuming that they have all the market share. This is obviously false. What's more, the largest market share isn't even a true market, its free trade, or "piracy". As a result, they are taking a far greater hit than they think, because as soon as they decrease their own market share, they will lose far more customers than their initial demand hit will show them. Currently, we don't have any big "booms" in music piracy. People are using shareaza, emule, and kazaa, but they aren't really encouraging each other to use them any more than the first days of napster and kazaa. Should the music industry allow music systems such as Itunes go to waste, they will definitely be looking at Shareaza and Emule suddenly becoming a big hit that friends tell friends to download (although the ones that suggest eMule should be shot...).
Another prediction: Instead of music albums as torrents, people will start compiling whole collections and throwing them up for BT. Imagine being able to download an entire collection of every song Pink Floyd ever made, or the Beatles, or the Offspring. Not to say that this isn't already happening. It is. But its not nearly as widespread as it could be when the music industry loses its market share more. This is a VERY bad idea, and we are going to see some nastiness from the RIAA again in a few months, I guarantee it. I for one am sad to say that I had held out some hope for the music industry to grow some heads, but this seems to obviously shatter that hope.
As a long time fan of Adult Swim, I have to say that I admire the creative ability of most of the people that work on the shows. As such, I know that a lot of you guys do voice acting for much more than just one character on one show. SOOOO, we know that you did Hesh, MC Pee Pants, and Sir Loin (which was still MCPP, but oh well), but who else have you been on the Adult Swim block in the past? Which show have you had the most fun on (I won't limit this to just Sealab and ATHF)? And if you don't get in trouble for telling us, are we due for a return of MC Pee Pants on ATHF in the near or distant future?
exeem is revamp of bittorrent, made by the same people
Wow, are you misinformed or WHAT? Cohen had NOTHING to do with exeem. Matter of fact, he has sneered at it time and time again. Exeem was created by people from Supernova, which used to be the largest bittorrent site on the net. That's where I think you got confused. And its not a revamp of bittorrent, its horrible. It tries to make BT work like P2P, and it really doesn't work that well at all.
that was what I head heard also, hence my post of questioning. There was plenty of things to be taken apart and reused.
The only benefit that I have found thus-far is that you can divert one core to one process, and another core to a different process. Basically, it'll assist with multitasking. But any one program will get nearly no benefit from this whatsoever.
which is a point that was made when this rant was ORIGINALLY made in the previous dupe (see link at the bottom of his post). To reiterate some of the points made then: Why turn this into a flame-war against /. when that's so incredibly off-topic that its not even funny? Why not actually direct the subject of your post toward the Topic? Is that too fucking hard?
That being said, I'm still very worried about this case. I agree with some of the posts ahead of this one, concerning how much of a voice the consumers have in court. But maybe that's just it. Perhaps we need to stop presenting ourselves as Consumers and instead present ourselves as the Citizens of America. If we're just consumers, that's nothing more than a union that isn't on the payroll. Its all about attitude, and I don't like what I'm seeing so far.
However, I'm also considering the side effects of such a decision. Would it wake up a few more Americans to their freedom slipping away from them? Would they be able to do much after-the-fact? I honestly think that we need a better system for interacting with our government than to "Write your Senator! He cares! Really!".
I guess I just wish I knew what that might be(violence aside). Any ideas, people?
I'm surprised that their games didn't attract enough attention from EA and Activision to get bought out in a situation like this. There must have been more to their lack of funding than meets the eye...
its considered defacement. Lavasoft got into it with Gator over this.
outlaw the RIAA. Although I doubt they fall under the category in technicality, I'd like to at least see a court hearing over how they are a cartel....
I agree. I miss the old Blizzard that put their gaming experience ahead of everything else. Mind you, WOW is considered by some people to be the best game of 2004, but I really think that things such as their pay-to-play system and overall customer support is uncharacteristic of the Blizzard we all once knew. On top of that, it seems that most of the people that DON'T say that the game outright rules, go to the other extreme and say that the game outright sucks. It seems to me that their old games created either die hard fans, partial fans, or people that still couldn't stop playing the game, although once a new game came out, they'd try it, hate it, and then reinstall the Blizzard game 3 months later. I don't know about you, but I'm certainly guilty of taking a year or two off of games like Diablo II and Starcraft, and then suddenly reinstalling and playing again 24/7, something I don't do with very many games at all, mostly they become garbage in my desk. WoW doesn't seem to have that edge at all for me. But I guess it may be too early to tell.
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That's a point I made when we were considering utilizing this software with our users. I only use it when someone has a problem, and here's why: The thing runs just like zonealarm. Now, I LOVE zonealarm and things that alert me when things aren't going the way they should for MY PC, but the average user usually has no clue what they are looking at when they see messages asking them "Allow or block". I would like to see security levels with this software, so that you could simply tell it how secure you want it, or what specifically to always allow, and block everything else. Then I wouldn't get a million calls from my two test users every day, asking "Which one should I click on this, allow or block?"