* the issue with the need to partner with domestic business partner is not the same as tech access we are talking about here * companies have very simple way to work around the domestic partner requirements -- for example, all major Chinese internet companies were owned by foreign VCs and investors; they operate by creating wholly own business entities that own the IP, trademark etc of the company but partner with a Chinese national who own the business license. Go read about that set up. * under WTO, China like all other developing countries are allowed such domestic partner requirements (as well as other benefits like unbalanced tariff level); in exchange, China agreed to terms like importing trash from the West since the West doesn't like the dirty job. It is all of deal negotiation the U.S, signed up to.
Exactly! This reminds us the Iraqi Weapon of Mass Destruction saga. At the end, it was the Americans who supplied Iraq the few remaining chemical bombs used in Iraq-Iran war to kill Iranian civilians. Of course, we Americans don't really care if the U.S. is a hypocritical terrorist country and we just promptly showed our patriotism and paid our money.
The American media and political institutions need to portray China as an evil empire in order to garner readership and supports from its populace; the American military industry (and cyber security) complex need to invent a new powerful foreign enemy to rid off our money.
For one, Waymo wasn't willing to share the substantial technology it had already developed to run autonomous vehicles
This shows that the accusation against China forcing American companies to share technologies is exaggerated and made up demonized China to rally support for the American political system and military industrial complex. As seen here, all countries make the same requests. And if an American company doesn't want to share, they can walk away like Waymo. And the foreign partner can just go to another American company that is willing.
... likely another typical American who has never visited China, heard of every bad thing about it in Western media, knew next to nothing about real life in most "democratic" countries like India, Thailand, Mexico, Brazil, Pakistan,... and then complaint about China.
For example, despite all the problems you may have heard about in China, life there is significantly improved comparing to before the country's economic reform that turned itself from a backward socialist/communist state into the most capitalistic superpower, even though their governing doctrine is still communism.
This non-action response in this case being a tactic in the trade dispute is only a theory propagated by the American side, and indeed denied by the Chinese government officially.
So this is no different that the U.S. using Iran sanction violation to punish ZTE as the first shot of the trade war. The U.S. would insist it is for "national security." But why would anyone really believe that?
The U.S. commits strong arming just like everybody else.
Shashdot simply omitted the history context from my original post
In a move betraying to its former ally Taiwan, ROC, the United States signed into the One-China policy in a joint communique with China in 1972. Since the Republic of China government fret to Taiwan gave up its hope of "re-invading the mainland" (due to the rise and modernization of mainland China,) pro-independence and pro-unification political forces are competing for power to rule the island.
In the 1970's China was weak and backward, it couldn't possibly bribe or strongarm the most powerful nation in the world. Yet the most powerful nation in the world went ahead to betray its own ally. So tell me why?
Now that China is becoming a superpower of its own threatening the dominance of the US, and then they try to rally up political forces in Taiwan, Hongkong, and Tibet, as well as using trades, in an attempt to take down the number two, just like they tried (and succeed) when taking down the former number two -- Soviet Union.
By the same logic / ideal of the West, Catalona and Haiwaii should be sovereign nations by now.
1. the Chinese companies will still be paying royalties / patent fees as long the contract applies 2. if the Chinese partner violating the contract, the foreign partner can sue them in Chinese court and the Chinese court system has shown favorable ruling to foreign IP/patent holders 3. if the Chinese company clone the interface design, then it is all legal and ethical since interface design is not copyrightable/patentable, just like Linux and BSD cloned the Unix API 4. western companies are doing the same all the time to each other, with and without licensing
Why is this not legal or ethical when done by Chinese? And that why do western companies file so many garbage patents and troll everybody including the Chinese?
There are a lot of state-own companies in China. In fact, there are too many that the Chinese government wants to get rid of, but they tried (mostly in the 1990's) but cannot privatize those companies because most of those companies are highly inefficient and privatize them would cost a lot of jobs. So I don't understand what's this fear of Chinese state-own companies is about? If state-owned companies are a thing of threats, then the Soviet Union would be ruling the world today. This is all fear mongering.
By the way, China Mobil is not totally state-owned. They are a public trade company listed in Hong Kong Stock Exchange. And the company has to carry the mandate of the Chinese government to provide mobile network services to the remotest rural areas in China at an affordable price, unlike AT&T et. al, who couldn't even provide complete service coverage in Silicon Valley, so that would already damp its competitiveness.
Sorting out valuables from trash should take a lot of labors, right?
So we have been blaming the Chinese taking over all of our American jobs. Now, the Chinese don't want these garbage scavenging jobs, then my question is why don't Americans take these jobs if they are so desperately trying to win back jobs from China.
Stop blaming others when you are being picky! Hypocrisy at its most ugly form!
While at it, we should also suspect Huawei put backdoors in their products, just like the Chinese suspect the same about Cisco products... (oh... never mind the second one, just remember Snowden now)
BTW another American semiconductor company -- Qualcomm -- already paid up $1 billion to settle its Chinese antitrust violation. So pay up Micron.
Why would China allow importing other countries' garbage? That would amount to treason. That's because it was the WTO concession imposed upon China in exchange for them getting access to the world market at lower tariff. So while we are complaining "unfair trade" with China and ridiculing their environment problem, we must feel shameful about ourselves -- China (and other poor third world countries) had to sell out their environment in order to survive economically while we have ripped the benefits of a clean environment, something that our politicians and media never want to mention. Get down from your moral high horse!
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A few issues with your argument:
* the issue with the need to partner with domestic business partner is not the same as tech access we are talking about here
* companies have very simple way to work around the domestic partner requirements -- for example, all major Chinese internet companies were owned by foreign VCs and investors; they operate by creating wholly own business entities that own the IP, trademark etc of the company but partner with a Chinese national who own the business license. Go read about that set up.
* under WTO, China like all other developing countries are allowed such domestic partner requirements (as well as other benefits like unbalanced tariff level); in exchange, China agreed to terms like importing trash from the West since the West doesn't like the dirty job. It is all of deal negotiation the U.S, signed up to.
Exactly! This reminds us the Iraqi Weapon of Mass Destruction saga. At the end, it was the Americans who supplied Iraq the few remaining chemical bombs used in Iraq-Iran war to kill Iranian civilians. Of course, we Americans don't really care if the U.S. is a hypocritical terrorist country and we just promptly showed our patriotism and paid our money.
The American media and political institutions need to portray China as an evil empire in order to garner readership and supports from its populace; the American military industry (and cyber security) complex need to invent a new powerful foreign enemy to rid off our money.
For one, Waymo wasn't willing to share the substantial technology it had already developed to run autonomous vehicles
This shows that the accusation against China forcing American companies to share technologies is exaggerated and made up demonized China to rally support for the American political system and military industrial complex. As seen here, all countries make the same requests. And if an American company doesn't want to share, they can walk away like Waymo. And the foreign partner can just go to another American company that is willing.
Apparently, you've never been to China. Only got info fed by your mainstream media.
Then the minor can just buy a face mask and wear it at the start of the game. Of course, the game maker will just be happy about this loophole.
So Americans steal too? news for me, uh
read the word "real life"
... likely another typical American who has never visited China, heard of every bad thing about it in Western media, knew next to nothing about real life in most "democratic" countries like India, Thailand, Mexico, Brazil, Pakistan, ... and then complaint about China.
But still he still claims he's a Data Scientist.
... Samuel Slater of the 1700's
they haven't lived in a (real) socialist country.
For example, despite all the problems you may have heard about in China, life there is significantly improved comparing to before the country's economic reform that turned itself from a backward socialist/communist state into the most capitalistic superpower, even though their governing doctrine is still communism.
Unfair trade? Fine, take back your trash.
This non-action response in this case being a tactic in the trade dispute is only a theory propagated by the American side, and indeed denied by the Chinese government officially.
So this is no different that the U.S. using Iran sanction violation to punish ZTE as the first shot of the trade war. The U.S. would insist it is for "national security." But why would anyone really believe that?
The U.S. commits strong arming just like everybody else.
Shashdot simply omitted the history context from my original post
In a move betraying to its former ally Taiwan, ROC, the United States signed into the One-China policy in a joint communique with China in 1972. Since the Republic of China government fret to Taiwan gave up its hope of "re-invading the mainland" (due to the rise and modernization of mainland China,) pro-independence and pro-unification political forces are competing for power to rule the island.
In the 1970's China was weak and backward, it couldn't possibly bribe or strongarm the most powerful nation in the world. Yet the most powerful nation in the world went ahead to betray its own ally. So tell me why?
Now that China is becoming a superpower of its own threatening the dominance of the US, and then they try to rally up political forces in Taiwan, Hongkong, and Tibet, as well as using trades, in an attempt to take down the number two, just like they tried (and succeed) when taking down the former number two -- Soviet Union.
By the same logic / ideal of the West, Catalona and Haiwaii should be sovereign nations by now.
1. the Chinese companies will still be paying royalties / patent fees as long the contract applies
2. if the Chinese partner violating the contract, the foreign partner can sue them in Chinese court and the Chinese court system has shown favorable ruling to foreign IP/patent holders
3. if the Chinese company clone the interface design, then it is all legal and ethical since interface design is not copyrightable/patentable, just like Linux and BSD cloned the Unix API
4. western companies are doing the same all the time to each other, with and without licensing
Why is this not legal or ethical when done by Chinese? And that why do western companies file so many garbage patents and troll everybody including the Chinese?
Answer: Hypocrisy
Read that linked article again, carefully
in the other news, Iraq has WMDs.
There are a lot of state-own companies in China. In fact, there are too many that the Chinese government wants to get rid of, but they tried (mostly in the 1990's) but cannot privatize those companies because most of those companies are highly inefficient and privatize them would cost a lot of jobs. So I don't understand what's this fear of Chinese state-own companies is about? If state-owned companies are a thing of threats, then the Soviet Union would be ruling the world today. This is all fear mongering.
By the way, China Mobil is not totally state-owned. They are a public trade company listed in Hong Kong Stock Exchange. And the company has to carry the mandate of the Chinese government to provide mobile network services to the remotest rural areas in China at an affordable price, unlike AT&T et. al, who couldn't even provide complete service coverage in Silicon Valley, so that would already damp its competitiveness.
... which law firm to avoid.
Sorting out valuables from trash should take a lot of labors, right?
So we have been blaming the Chinese taking over all of our American jobs. Now, the Chinese don't want these garbage scavenging jobs, then my question is why don't Americans take these jobs if they are so desperately trying to win back jobs from China.
Stop blaming others when you are being picky! Hypocrisy at its most ugly form!
Apparently, your sense of cynicism has been destroyed by some left over WMDs in Iraq.
I suspect Iraq still has WMDs too.
Don't they have any real evidences to present?
While at it, we should also suspect Huawei put backdoors in their products, just like the Chinese suspect the same about Cisco products... (oh... never mind the second one, just remember Snowden now)
BTW another American semiconductor company -- Qualcomm -- already paid up $1 billion to settle its Chinese antitrust violation. So pay up Micron.
... we think of China?
Are we just wishing them death nowaday?
Why would China allow importing other countries' garbage? That would amount to treason. That's because it was the WTO concession imposed upon China in exchange for them getting access to the world market at lower tariff. So while we are complaining "unfair trade" with China and ridiculing their environment problem, we must feel shameful about ourselves -- China (and other poor third world countries) had to sell out their environment in order to survive economically while we have ripped the benefits of a clean environment, something that our politicians and media never want to mention. Get down from your moral high horse!
If the translation is right, he said "breakthrough applications" and not "breakthrough technology". See the difference?
typo in the last sentence: Why *do* people in tech complain about the US patent system in other context but never when it involves China?