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The need for political parties to protect their content from hackers has been discussed on /. before

Funny, I thought it was the hackers who needed to be protected from the political parties.

Find your local 2600 chapter and see if they have a mailing list / forum. Post what you want to get rid of; deliver at the next meeting. Depending on the size and level of activity of your local group, you might find takers immediately. Even without mailing list response, you'll probably find takers for all of it at the meeting.

Find your local 2600 chapter and see if they have a mailing list / forum. Post what you want to get rid of; deliver at the next meeting. Depending on the size and level of activity of your local group, you might find takers immediately. Even without mailing list response, you'll probably find takers for all of it at the meeting.

Your geek-card may be reissued as 'provisional,' but no, you're not bad ;) HOPE, as noted is the 'Hackers on Planet Earth, held I think in New York by the 2600 crew at, from reading 2600 quarterly, the HOtel PEnnsylvania in New York. The reason it's the last HOPE is because the Hotel they've used for the past 6 years (HOPEs 1-6) is about to be either redeveloped or demolished. I'm not sure which.

This might be the last HOPE, but there's no certainty it'll be the last 2600 get-together/conference. Here's hoping anyway.

Sorry. I'm not seeing "The Final Hope" anywhere. But I am seeing "The Last HOPE" on the 2600 news page *and* on "The Last HOPE's" official site.

There's even a picture of a tombstone on their official site that reads "Hope: 1994 - 2008."

They can't, legally, unless there's something criminal going on.

You mean, like telling you how to decrypt DVDs?

(Which, incidentally, is why I voted for the GNU Software Radio project. If "Think of the children!" is the constitution's rootkit, "Think of the IP!" is its moneyed, bastard son.)

Can someone point me to news of this redirect 'hack'? These holes seem to be something completely outside of the server-security arena and more in the realm of 'the English language'.

"Another reader notes that the Obama campaign is also searching for a security expert to plug the holes that allowed a hacker to redirect Obama's site (Linux/Apache hosted by GoDaddy) to Hillary Clinton's (Windows/IIS hosted by Rackspace)."

I am convinced that this is actually referring to the redirection of Hope.net (run by the 2600 folks in support of the upcoming HOPE conference) and the various shenanigans they pulled off on April 1st. You can listen to the "Off The Hook" radio show for April 2nd. http://www.2600.com/offthehook/2008/0408.html

References:
http://www.theamericanmind.com/2008/04/02/hopenet-goes-to-hacker-convention-site/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13554_3-9910026-33.html

I thought the whole point of not allowing cell phones was that they cause interference. If wifi doesn't, and I can send VoIP over that wifi, how would that magically start causing interference?

Priorities!

Before we start whining about the corporate cock-suckers (Sorry, I meant to say 'lobbyists'.), let's do something about the thousands of people being shipped out to get killed and kill thousands of others, the current 'Screw this treaty, we have bombs.' policy, and the trainwreck dropped in place of due process. Half-baked copyright laws don't even enter the picture. (Well, the old ones.)
Then again, maybe I'll be allowed to listen to music while being waterboarded in Gitmo.

I know this country isn't burning yet, but I'll be damned if it isn't heading there at present. Your sane copyright laws can wait while 'terrorism' is violently ripped from the dictionary and people start to remember that public office isn't a god-given right and should be questioned at all times.

For those who have forgotten (or never heard about) the whole unconstitutional ordeal.
http://www.2600.com/rnc2004/index.html

Down with Amurkan fascists! And their plastic orange fences.
We have all gone to look for America.

I'm pretty sure this is to make sure you don't go to the bathroom during commercial breaks. If you do, they add a charge to your monthly bill.

Just because they can, should they? Maybe I'm too cynical, but in a world that's already overpopulated it seems counter-productive in the long run to figure out how to make humans the most expensive way possible. I probably need coffee and a Blank Expression.

Get the History Straight:

by the 1990's The BSD's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD from Berkley were in full swing by then. Heck even Microsoft had XENIX http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix out.

The AT&T code was out of the bag. This was the SS(secret Service) sending a messaged to the RPG and Computer Community a the time to keep the steeple in line. Nothing more, nothing less, and they were willing to eat the court decision to do it.

I Was in Texas at the time watching this very closely with others in the Computer Community.

We got the message loud and clear they were taking off the gloves and willing to take out innocent bystanders to get what they wanted. Pull a LoD (legion of doom) and pay the consequences. They were also hitting the 2600 zine http://www.2600.com/ pretty heavy at that time too.

See the folks at 2600 and their court case. Ford realized they would lose.

http://www.2600.com/news/view/article/297

Wasn't this already tried years ago with 2600 magazine & linking to web sites containing DeCSS?

http://www.2600.com/news/112801-files/universal.html

What I find interesting is that if TV Links can be held accountable for links to content that is, in theory, illegal stored at Google Video, why are they limiting the legal action to TV Links? I don't see anyone at Google being arrested and hauled off. In the DeCSS case both the 2600 web site and the sites hosting DeCSS were targeted.

so could always copy the look of a site, and yet Microsoft still "played along".

But who the hell would want a site that looks like microsofts?

Besides, they sell the t00lz to mad hax0rZ so they can steal images and html and make copies of Adobe GoLive pages using FrontPage. They are just as bad as the l0pht and cDc and 2600 d00dz!

(showing my age now...)

Then a link to easyubuntu or automatix, or even the CLI method for advanced users.

I believe any such links would run afoul of the DeCSS decision which prohibited links to software designed to "circumvent" encryption used to protect copyrighted materials.

Just have Dell purchase the licenses and bundle them into the cost of the computer.

Going to the bathroom during TV commercials is theft!

There's an article in the current 2600 explaining just how easy it is to "trick" the XFire daemon into counting time for the wrong executable.

Not that anybody cares enough to skew the results and risk being caught, I'm sure, just saying it's a bit insecure a method.

But if it became popular to install an ad filter on the cable line before it reached your television, it would undermine television's business model.

Whadday mean, "If"? It exists. Every PVR in the universe used for, at the very least, fast-forwarding through ads. And a few supported blind skipping of commercials on-demand.

Some bright young thing here will point out that this class of ad-blocking has been taken out of commercially-made PVRs because of pressure from advertising content providers. (Tivo banner ads, for instance.) That just proves that your kind of distorted thinking has precedent.

It's pretty obvious that ad-blocking web sites IS akin to resource theft...

Odd. I think I've heard this before. Oh, yeah, Big Broadcast Media has whined about commercial-skipping on over-the-air TV using this exact same pitiful "logic"...

"Because of the ad skips.... It's theft. Your contract with the network when you get the show is you're going to watch the spots. Otherwise you couldn't get the show on an ad-supported basis. Any time you skip a commercial or watch the button you're actually stealing the programming." -- Jamie Kellner, CEO, Turner Broadcasting, April 2002.

So... you're publicly agreeing on /. with media pigopolists? Commercial-skipping is wrong and EEEE-vil and we should be good little consumers and look at the pretty ads?

Sorry, I choose what I watch. Block if you wish. I obviously have no use for your website anyways, if it's so crap that you have to pimp it out to make it work.

where's the "DUPE" tag when you need it?

It's true, most observant /.ers will recognize a dupe by the title and writeup, but a few could probably use a more explicit warning so we know not to waste time and pageviews on dupe crap.

But I guess if Zonk or Taco puts it up, we're morally obligated to give 'em their pageview, or else it's THEFT!

When the commercials start: go to the bathroom, get a snack/drink, perform small errands, talk to other people in the room.

You're violating your contract, don'cha know?

...so No, it's not a trap. Microsoft wants to become Linux. Microsoft management finally saw the light and saw that the one thing they lacked was being Linux. They will now soon announce that the partnership with Novell was not about patents, but actually about secretly starting the union with the Open Source movement.

In three months time, Bill Gates himself will be announcing his presence on the next HOPE conference, with a special speech called "Open source and I, how do I fit in, even though I know shit ?".

In other news, scientists have concluded air is water and water is air, yay.

or will that violate my Terms of Service?

The former head of TBS is willing to put up with bathroom breaks, but thinks part of your contract is that you have to watch the commercials:

JK: Because of the ad skips.... It's theft. Your contract with the network when you get the show is you're going to watch the spots. Otherwise you couldn't get the show on an ad-supported basis. Any time you skip a commercial or watch the button you're actually stealing the programming.

CW: What if you have to go to the bathroom or get up to get a Coke?

JK: I guess there's a certain amount of tolerance for going to the bathroom. But if you formalize it and you create a device that skips certain second increments, you've got that only for one reason, unless you go to the bathroom for 30 seconds. They've done that just to make it easy for someone to skip a commercial.

(Did you sign a contract where one of the terms is that you have to watch the ads? I rather suspect not, Mr. Kellner's belief to the contrary nonwithstanding....)

Pretty much what happened in 2004 in New York at the RNC.

*cough*

A survey of 2600? Hmmmmmm...

Coincidence? I think not!

"Box[ing]" refers to using a device called a colored "box" (eg. redbox, bluebox, etc) to trick the phone system into (usually) giving you free phone service

Captain Crunch's whistle anyone? How about 2600?

Wow. You sound angry. I am going to have to point out that saying this:

It has nothing to do with the law, only with the right for one private citizen to sue another private citizen.

...with a straight face requires some highly-evolved muscle control. You speak of fallacy but do not even read the case law you claim is moot. In MPAA v. 2600, the court actually issued a preliminary injunction requiring the website to remove the offending HTML tags. This was a court order issued by the government requiring action be taken under the law. If the legal order had not been followed (under the law), a criminal contempt citation may have been issued (as it is, 2600 complied). You are not really proposing that a civil lawsuit has nothing to do with the law?

I am happy you do not see it ever happening because you believe it is impossible it will happen (that seems to be the gist of your argument). I see it as being the likely outcome and so agree with those who believe the .XXX TLD is a bad idea for the same reason. To respond to your "impossible" reasons, point by point:

1) Impossible to enforce on pages, due to global nature of internet.
1) When has it being impossible to enforce on the internet prevented bad law from being written?

2) Impossible to clearly define content to be tagged, due to fuzzy definition of obscenity.
2) Simple. The government uses the community standards test. See United States v. Thomas. I do not agree with this ruling by any means, but the government already has a solution to your problem.

3) Impossible to enforce software compliance, due to open source and extra territorial software vendors.
3) What does software compliance have to do with HTML authors being required by law to include the NSFW tag on inappropriate content? Oh, you mean web browsers and such respecting the tag. Not necessary. The content can and will by government mandate be filtered before it ever reaches your home or place of business.

So here we are again. The topic is the proposed NSFW attribute. Continuing to go off-topic by calling me a troll (or alleging my response post was a first post) does not increase the chance I will respond to your next post, if at all, in a civilized and respectful manner. Please stop it.

This doesn't strike me as being all that different from suing to get an injunction to prevent a site from linking to a piece of software the "IP" cartels don't like.

Just like they didn't hold Bernie S. (old 2600 site) without bail or hearing for suspicion of selling drugs because he was selling radio crystals. Right?

Oh. And they managed to top it off by throwing him on the stand while he was very ill and unable to defend himself. Obviously everyone simply "gets what's coming to them". Best to let that whole "burden of proof" and "innocent until *found* guilty" thing just slide.

Do parents need to be able to watch them via GPS 24/7/365? And I shudder to think if this GPS tracking ability were to be used by people other than kid's parents. Our parents certainly didn't have/need this. I think I heard on Off The Hook about the GPS capability of phones already being hacked.

True. In Philly, they won't return all your bail money even if the judge finds the charges ridiculous. This guy is out 1 week of jail and $750, for no good reason.

OTH won't be on today. [it's 99.5FM if you want to listen].

If you want to listen to the show it's on Wednesdays at 7pm. Off The Hook (site appears down right now). You can download all of their previous episodes (going back to 1988) from the site.

Tom

On the subject of Rambam check out previous talks given at HOPE conferences. He's a good speaker and quite interesting on the topic of information availability. He stated a couple of weeks ago in an interview leading up to this conference's talk that he had planed to do the same basic presentation at the last hope but the "victim" got cold feet at the last moment after he realized just how much information was available and threatened to sue. If you listen to the old presentations he does make a point that almost any information is available legally but it is more difficult to get it legally than illegally. I have to believe from hearing him speak several time that what he would have done for this presentation would at least to be best of his knowledge been legal.

Four previous presentations.

Privacy - Not What It Used To Be
http://www.the-fifth-hope.org/mp3/privacy.mp3

Databases and Privacy
http://h2k2.hope.net/media/databases.mp3

Information on the Masses with Steve Rambam.
http://h2k.hope.net/post/panels/h2kinfo.mp3

Info for Masses
ftp://ftp.2600.com/pub/oth/beyondh/nfo4mses.ra

One might think this is a clear-cut case of free speech. Until one considers the result of the famous MPAA vs. 2600 case, where 2600 was found to have violated the DMCA by merely LINKING to DeCSS, the code by DVD Jon that decrypted DVDs so that Linux computers could play them.

Another freedom, chipped away... And this one during the Clinton Administration. Sad for all of us.

For the third year in a row, Urgo's list of April Fool's Jokes on Websites contains the most complete list of April Fool's Day pranks websites have created. Featured by news.com.com.com.. and Microsoft, the site strives to list EVERY joke site, and is updated every few minutes with new verified jokes.

Here is a sample, the twenty most popular ones:
blog.outer-court.com - Google Rooms
thinkgeek.com - USB Tanning Center, RFID Blocking T-shirt, Grow Your mymsnsearch.com - fake (but hilariously accurate) search results gtachicago.com - gta chicago does not exist, (*hint check the whois info*)
tveps.net - Isaac 'Chef' Hayes not leaving southpark after all. Comes clean that it was a publicity stunt.
iwantoneofthose.com - tiny device that downloads your brain's memory to a 2GB USB Flash Drive
blizzard.com - BLIZZARD ENTERTAINMENT® PRESENTS BURGERCRAFT(TM)
bolloxcomics.co.uk - Myspace parody
figuiere.net - int is_computer_on(void)
wiebetech.com - 5 TB iPod
googlesystem.blogspot.com - Google Browser is finally launched. Installer 1.68MB
steampowered.com - VALVe purchased by Apple
slashdot.org - OMG!!! PONIES!!! (and pink layout)
ogrish.com - (NSFW) Bizarre Baby Born In Nepal
worldofwarcraft.com - Blizzard to put Wisps as a playable race for World of Warcraft.
gearlog.com - Laptop Lingerie: Bringing Tech & Pleasure Together
2600.com - 200600 google spoof
bungie.net - Bungie's next game, Pimps At Sea, progessing nicely for the Xbox360
forums.worldofwarcraft.com - World of Warcraft 1.11 patch notes leaked
theregister.co.uk - customise The Register to suit your needs - from blocking ads, to selecting the kind of stories you really want to read.

For the third year in a row, Urgo's list of April Fool's Jokes on Websites contains the most complete list of April Fool's Day pranks websites have created. Featured by news.com.com.com.. and Microsoft, the site strives to list EVERY joke site, and is updated every few minutes with new verified jokes.

Here is a sample, the twenty most popular ones:
mymsnsearch.com - fake (but hilariously accurate) search results
thinkgeek.com - USB Tanning Center, RFID Blocking T-shirt, Grow Your Own 1up Mushroom Kit, Caffeine Inhaler, and more
blog.outer-court.com - Google Rooms
gtachicago.com - gta chicago does not exist, (*hint check the whois info*)
tveps.net - Isaac 'Chef' Hayes not leaving southpark after all. Comes clean that it was a publicity stunt.
blizzard.com - BLIZZARD ENTERTAINMENT® PRESENTS BURGERCRAFT(TM)
iwantoneofthose.com - tiny device that downloads your brain's memory to a 2GB USB Flash Drive
bolloxcomics.co.uk - Myspace parody
wiebetech.com - 5 TB iPod
googlesystem.blogspot.com - Google Browser is finally launched. Installer 1.68MB
figuiere.net - int is_computer_on(void)
steampowered.com - VALVe purchased by Apple
slashdot.org - OMG!!! PONIES!!! (and pink layout)
ogrish.com - (NSFW) Bizarre Baby Born In Nepal
worldofwarcraft.com - Blizzard to put Wisps as a playable race for World of Warcraft.
gearlog.com - Laptop Lingerie: Bringing Tech & Pleasure Together
2600.com - 200600 google spoof
bungie.net - Bungie's next game, Pimps At Sea, progessing nicely for the Xbox360
forums.worldofwarcraft.com - World of Warcraft 1.11 patch notes leaked
theregister.co.uk - customise The Register to suit your needs - from blocking ads, to selecting the kind of stories you really want to read.

I knew it! http://www.2600.com/ ;)

Is the information is correct or just bogus data planted?

Is this "story" itself planted by the CIA? (not that we'd care either way)

2600? Funny number there.

Crazy that is was a year and a half ago. But still pretty topical. And I'm pretty sure those of us old enough to remember the days of many RBOC's can identify with the statement.

Fall 2001
Winter 2003-4

Fall 2001
Winter 2003-4

When I was photographing the beautiful old federal buildings in downtown Denver (probably about 3 years ago), a federal officer pulled up and told me to stop taking pictures. When I asked him what law I was breaking, he refused to answer, but demanded my ID and told me I was now going to have a "record with the FBI." When I then asked him for his name and/or badge number, he got back in his car and drove away.

Luckily, mine had a happier ending then this guy.

I was at a 2600 Magazine meeting back in 1993 and was talking with some FBI agents, who were actually semi-knowledgeable suprisingly, about how they had found some holes in BIOS code that was big enough to fit a virus into and how it had already been accomplished. I checked into it a bit and the BIOS they described had like 120 bytes of writeable memory which was more than enough for the foundations of a virus.

Here's another couple:

http://www.2600.com/news/view/article/1441 [Photographing the VPs entourage at a public hotel]
http://reviewjournal.printthis.clickability.com/pt /cpt?action=cpt&expire=&urlID=8164533&fb=Y&partner ID=565 [Strip club owner]

  -Charles

Meh.

The U.S. military's existing branches should stick to what they are good at. Meatspace combat. Why should their missions be diversified like that? Setup a new division, or retool an existing organization (NSA). The NSA, god knows, has quite a bit of sophistication when it comes to network security. I've read their cybersecurity articles, the stuff they release for 'civilians techies', and its good stuff.

The Airforce's track record is not good.

Hmm.. Can't figure out why the links for the words 'http://www.hackinthebox.org/modules.php?op=modloa d&name=News&file=article&sid=13255&mode=thread&ord er=0&thold=0 is' and 'http://www.g4tv.com/techtvvault/features/25532/Fi ring_and_Hiring_Hackers.html good' don't show up.

Free phone numbers from North America for web based voice over the Internet SIP voice service recently became available. With that, does that mean phreaking or phone use like that talked about on Off The Hook, is dead now? You can literally create for yourself a new lifestyle going off the grid and mobile while the rest of the world wonders where heck you are. A future Nick Haflinger from Shockwive Rider only need to adapt for our science fiction prophet, John Brunner, to create the environment for all these numbers in flux. Personally a SIP based client with a phone number included at no cost is very preferred over Skype, no phone number and not standards complient, geez, why even go that direction?

A Taiwanese 2600 Magazine reader wrote a letter to the editors making this very same complaint and threatening to stop reading, etc., until 2600 made a formal apology. 2600 said pretty much, slow down there, pal. There are ISO standards for what countries are called, how their names are transliterated, etc. These standards are maintained by the UN. If you have a complaint, take it there. We're following ISO standards. I imagine for Google, following ISO standards would be a legitimate concern.

I just haven't heard of anyone's rights being limited. I still see war protests happening. I still see people speaking freely about whatever political views they have. ... I still see people getting due process

I think I got all of those covered right here:

http://www.2600.com/rnc2004/

Read the whole thing, and you'll see:

The march was then diverted onto 16th Street.....
At the intersection of 16th and Irving Place, I saw what the police had done. They had cleverly parked all of their Vespas across the street so that nobody could get by. Of course, a rampaging mob would have had no trouble at all tossing those little Italian scooters to the ground and continuing on their way. But this was a slow moving, orderly procession. They simply turned around and started to head back towards the park. That's when the realization of what had just happened hit. The road had been blocked on both ends. Everyone was now trapped.

I think trapping people and not letting them go is a Violation of their Right to Peacably Assemble.

I heard a cop nearby saying that press could leave. I decided to go for it. "Back in," he growled before I could even show him any press ID. "You're not press," he said conclusively. I wondered what gave it away - the recorder, the video camera, maybe the hair? I had all kinds of witty retorts in mind but I chose instead to go to someone who seemed a little less pissed off with the world. I said I was with the press and he asked who I worked for. I told him: WBAI and Indymedia, both of which I had identification from. "Do you have an NYPD press card?" he asked. "No," I said, incredulously. NYPD press cards are only given to corporate media types, full time reporters who have beats and retirement plans. You also have to have a proven need to get behind police lines, which I didn't have any interest in doing. And what I was covering here wasn't even behind a police line. It was in the middle of a police circle. "Sorry," he said. I was apparently out of luck because I wasn't a full time, paid reporter at a big media outlet. Since I was a part time volunteer with a non commercial station who could never qualify for that magic NYPD card, I was now going to be treated as a criminal.

Denying the Freedom of the Press.

As my tape ran out in the remaining half hour or so of sitting on the street, I was able to capture ... the ignored pleas of a woman whose handcuffs were on way too tight. You could see that it was cutting off her circulation but the pleasant cops didn't let that detract them from their job.

Cruel and Unusual Punishment?

As for "Due Process", check out the part where the cops hold them for over 33 hours before releasing them, a clear violation of the law, which says they can only hold you for 24 hours.

I'll leave off with a quote from the article:

I'm not one of these people who believe we live in a fascist regime. I think that's an insult to the many millions who have suffered under true oppression and horrors that we can only imagine. That said, the technology and mindset that I was witnessing being implemented all around us would be such an asset to any society where freedom was the enemy.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

And before you jump on the point I would point out that the Military Tiribunals are not being convened against members of the U.S. Military ('
In service in war or in time of public danger') so that clause of Amendment V doesn't give carte Blanche for them.

On another note both the USAPATRIOT act and various federal laws dealing with drugs routinely allow for the unwarranted search and seizure of private property in some cases such property is not returned even when no conviction takes place. This would be (IMHO) a violation of Amendment IV of the constitution which states:

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

While we're on the topic of drugs. Excessive punishments and jail times have routinely been employed in this area noteably including California's 3-strikes policy which leads to life in prison even for 3 minor crimes (any 3 frauds including possession). Agasin in my opinion this would be a severe issue with Amendment VIII:

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

As a key point I would also mention this amendment:

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage other