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In a statement, CBS News said it stands by its story.

"This report was not based solely on recovered documents, but rather on a preponderance of evidence, including documents that were provided by unimpeachable sources, interviews with former Texas National Guard officials and individuals who worked closely back in the early 1970s with Colonel Jerry Killian and were well acquainted with his procedures, his character and his thinking," the statement read.

"In addition, the documents are backed up not only by independent handwriting and forensic document experts but by sources familiar with their content," the statement continued. "Contrary to some rumors, no internal investigation is underway at CBS News nor is one planned."
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so... what were you saying? what fucking level of evidence would you accept?

You really shouldn't take CBS's denial at face value. Admit nothing, deny everything, make counter-accusations. That's how it works.

An intellectually honest person would leave open the POSSIBLITY that they are wrong. You are backing yourself into a corner here.

From Drudge:

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX THU SEPT 09, 2004 22:45:32 ET XXXXX

CBSNEWS LAUNCHES INTERNAL INVESTIGATION AFTER SUSPICIOUS BUSH DOCS AIRED

**Exclusive**

CBS NEWS executives have launched an internal investigation into whether its premiere news program 60 MINUTES aired fabricated documents relating to Bush's National Guard service, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

"The reputation and integrity of the entire news division is at stake, if we are in error, it will be corrected," a top CBS source explained late Thursday.

The source, who asked not to be named, described CBSNEWS anchor and 60 MINUTES correspondent Dan Rather as being privately "shell-shocked" by the increasingly likelihood that the documents in question were fraudulent.

Rather, who anchored the segment presenting new information on the president's military service, will personally correct the record on-air, if need be, the source explained from New York.

Focus on the humor of the situation: Someone somehow had a machine that cost then half as much as a new car, if I remember the prices correctly. However, the person did not have the money to get the machine adjusted.

Whenever you saw that back then, you knew something unusual was happening. For example, maybe the machine was stolen, and could not be adjusted, because only IBM technicians had the tools, and they always checked the serial numbers and would report stolen machines.

Or maybe the machine was owned by an office supply store that was using it while trying to find a buyer.

There is simply very, very little chance that a machine used by the military was stolen, so there must be another reason.

When someone offered to sell me a used Selectric in perhaps 1979, I immediately called IBM to see if it was stolen. I was told it was okay. By then it was a newer model that did not need as much adjustment. Even in 1979 these were expensive machines.

Bush's education improvements were fraud. Why would you expect something better in the case of his military service?

George W. Bush was an active alcoholic back then. See Method of Corruption #7 for a discussion of this. See the section just after that for a discussion of how his personality is exactly what you would expect from a recovered alcoholic.

Not meeting commitments is exactly what would be expected of an alcoholic.

CYA -- Everyone in the military knows "CYA" this means "Cover Your Ass". The term is used because of the culture of the military. Most people in the military have very little social sophistication, as you might expect of people whose business is solving problems by killing other people. When something is wrong, it is dealt with by attacking, rather than inquiring and fixing.

The person who wrote the memo wanted something in the files that would show he was not part of the corruption. Without the letter, it would be assumed he agreed to the corruption. The lowest ranking person would be punished, and that might be him. The letter "covered" his "ass" from attack.

The handling of these kinds of matters back then is no different than the way the military is handling the torturing of Iraqis now. The people who did the torturing were there to KILL Iraqis. Anything less than killing them may have been thought of as gentle. There is little analysis of anything among those whose business it is to resolve problems by killing others. The leaders only think about escaping responsibility and laying blame on someone of lower rank. So, problems are almost never fixed. Anyone with a sense of idealism finds the military culture very bleak.

Credibility of the man interviewed on the CBS show, "60 Minutes II" -- Someone being interviewed told 60 Minutes last night that he found the letters completely credible: Bush really would have received preferential treatment. I found the man completely credible. That's just the way things were done back then, just as he said. If you had power, you could arrange preferential treatment. If you objected, you would either be ignored or attacked.

Typeface and font used in the letters. -- Much is being made of the proportional font used in the letters. However, I've often had the experience of walking into a military office and being shocked by the office equipment there. There are numerous ways that people in the military get things that they don't really need. For example, a general may requisition something and then discover that his secretary doesn't want to learn how to use it. So, then it is available to an office of lower rank.

The fonts are consistent with those sold with a kind of upscale IBM Selectric typewriter that was actually a low-cost typesetting machine. (Typesetting was what it was called before everyone could do it on a personal computer.) These machines had a use-once carbon ribbon. The impression of each character was clearer than the clearest laser printer.

I'm a bit confused about the model numbers of the typewriter. It could have been called a Selectric costing then about $2,500, I believe. I seem to remember that they had another name for the more upscale, true typesetting machines. (I wrote computer manuals which I typed on a Selectric and were prepared on those machines.)

There were usually some odd symbols and characters like "th" on the type balls used by the Selectric family of typesetting machines. That's because of the design of the balls. Whereever there was room, there were characters, partly to assure that the balls would be balanced, I suppose, and partly just because there was room.

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Bush's education improvements were fraud

"Just like I'm not saying Bush is a slave owner I'm not saying he's the one causing global warming (which is I understand it is a culmination of completely natural processes and CFCs)."

Global warming is caused by the rapid increase in the burning of fossil fuels, now that China and other less-developed countries are modernizing. Another cause is extremely rapid deforestation. Chlorinated Fluorocarbons play a role, too, I understand.

The issues with the Bush administration are more complex than you mentioned, since the administration cannot influence the use of fossil fuels in China, for example. In my opinion, Bush merely sells the government to whomever will pay the most. As with most former alcoholics, George W. Bush is not a very aware person; it is not really he who does the selling, just his administration.

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Bush's education improvements were fraud

The organization hemmorrhages millions of dollars and they don't know where.

Compared to the 2.3 trillion dollars that the Pentagon can't find, I'd say NASA is one of our more efficient agencies.

On Kerry's medals.

Bush AWOL: Case Closed

It might be interesting to look at Ben barnes, who claims he helped Bush get into the TANG in 1968, as Lt GOV of Texas. The only problem being that Barnes was not sworn in as LT GOV until 1969 -- in May '68, when Bush was sworn into the Guard, Barnes was actually UN Representative to Geneva.

The LA Times and CNN investigated these exact allegations in 1999, and concluded there was nothing to them.

He's also a major Kerry contributor and lost his position at Lt Gov in a stock fraud scandal..

Yea, and Bush and Kerry aren't related of course, and neither were/are in the skulls. This is just more of Moore's "truth."

I'm too busy to check all 59, but Kopel is right on the first "deceit": Fox did not convince the other networks to change their call from Gore to Bush. CBS definitely retracted their Gore call hours before Fox made their call. According to CBS (PDF link) they were "within minutes" of calling Florida for Bush when Fox beat them to it. Fox did not convince all the other networks to change. The CBS report says that errors in their calculations led them to overestimate the Bush lead, and "Had it not been for these errors, the CBS News call for Bush at 2:17:52 AM would not have been made." They did not say that Fox made them do it.

The only anouncements that could have affected the voting were those that happened while the polls were open, ie the Gore calls. By the time Fox called for Bush it was too late to convince anyone not to bother voting. Is this evidence of a pro-Gore media conspiracy? I doubt it.

They did have proper ID because they were in the country legally. This is a whole issue, student visas, etc.

What if an ID was not required? How would we know who was on the plane when it crashed? Would we know who the hijackers were? I can not understand how the EFF could argue against this. I get checked for ID at Wal-Mart when I buy music. Riding on a airplane is much more serious than buying music.

I believe the law should be out in the open. In this case like many others the government is being an asshat.

Privacy has never existed. As long as you live in a society you should never expect total privacy. In public you should never expect any privacy. On an airplane there should be NO PRIVACY. (Except in the little bathrooms) There should be background checks done on everyone who flies. We should model our security around that used by Israel. You can read more about it here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/15/60II/mai n324476.shtml

I've heard this about Hauppauge products a lot: People say they are oversold by the company.

I've had lots of problems with ATI, but those were about PCI video adapter display drivers, not major performance issues.

After reading this and other Slashdot articles on the subject, I get the impression that, in general, people are not happy with video recording products.

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Bush's education improvements were fraud

Sorry, I hit the return key accidentally. Please disregard my previous comment.

Twirlip:

Show me even one mistake in what I said, and I will fix it.

It is becoming common that when someone sees something they didn't know already, they call it "radical".

The entire point of my comment, and the entire point of the article to which I linked, was that a former Supreme Commander of Allied Forces and former Republican president was correct. Everything else was only the details of how it works.

Was General Eisenhower a radical leftist? Thinking about that makes me laugh. "Well-known radical leftist and General and Republican President Dwight David Eisenhower..." LOL.

I posted a more complete comment here: Only one way to understand: Read books. Again, if you can find an error, I will investigate and fix it.

By the way, was CBS News wrong when they found that Bush's education improvements were fraud?

"My second reaction was: have you heard of regimes that teach Physics, Chemistry, and Biology that don't correspond to reality?"

Yes, I do. Marietta, Georgia. The school board passed a resolution that allows them to teach "creation science" along side evolution in their science classes. They want the young people to decide for themselves which "science" they wish to follow....but they don't certainly don't go as far as saying "they have a right to choose". lol

Read a little about it here at CBS News

Halliburton

All you ever wanted to know about how to take custody of someone else's child

Seems like AP is running with the setback story

Diebold.

Abu Ghirab

Every last one of these is fairly common knowledge to anyone who has opened a paper in the past 3 years (at least if you're in Texas, for that Texas Senator thing). While I'm at it shall I prove that 1=1 and 1+1=2 so that you can start using math?

You missed the point. She's operating under conflict of interest. The money and her position with the Republicans is only supporting evidence.

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Bush's education improvements were fraud

Unprecedented Corruption: A guide to conflict of interest in the U.S. government

It's illogical to vote Republican in 2004.

Bush's education improvements were fraud. (my sig)

These are exactly the people who did not give me a choice about paying my taxes to kill Iraqis.

Please join with me in sending links to educational information to the delegates:

Unprecedented Corruption: A guide to conflict of interest in the U.S. government

It's illogical to vote Republican in 2004.

Bush's education improvements were fraud. (my sig)

For me the most frightening aspect of this whole thing is its absence from major news outlets. Go ahead and Google for "diebold e-voting machines" or words to that effect. Down on page 4 of the results you will find some old articles on CBS and MSNBC and others. Site searches pull up nothing about the hack. My guess is that the "real" news organizations think Bev Harris, who is behind blackboxvoting.org, is a crackpot. But given that this is a HUGE story if it is true, I would expect them at least to ask their own questions and address it one way or another, rather than just ignoring it.

In any case how about: the right to a trial (Jose Padilla)

Has been litigated, and charges are forthcoming. Yasir Esam Hamdi has a hearing about ten miles from where I am now on Tuesday, and will probably be released...next?

the right to a lawyer (Shoe-bomber dude),

Reid had lawyers, and plead guilty.

the right to call witnesses (the so-called 20th hijacker),

He has the right to call witnesses. He does not have the right to seek unlimited depositions from prisoners who are held outside the United States.

the right to hear evidence presented by the prosecution (the Gitmo detainees),

They're enemy combatants, and are being held outside the United States. The US courts do not have jurisdiction over the matter. I do have a problem with the military tribunals, but note, those aren't civil liberties lost by US citizens. I don't like the situation at gitmo, but the defense department now seems to be taking steps to swiftly resolve the issue. Many of the detainees have already been released. The ones who are still detained were most likely actively taking action against coalition forces in Afghanistan.

the right to not have the government know what you read (at least not without getting a warrant; Patriot Act),

Don't get your reading materials from the government, and you won't have a problem. I don't check out books from libraries, so I don't have to worry about it. (I do dislike this provision of the Patriot Act, on principle. But at the same time, any time you deal with the state you have to assume that you will be violated.)

freedom of assembly and to protest (e.g. in Central Park).

The City of New York denied the permits, not President Bush. It would probably be a different situation if protestors were, you know, actually peaceful. But you've got all these Michael Moore-loving college students who love to protest because their professors and parents told them how cool it was in the 1960's. And they get out of control and break things. It happens all the time. NYC isn't putting them in a cage like Boston did. But simply being denied a permit to protest in Central Park is not a big deal.

druken college kid: "dude, we should make a program that downloads and stores the internet"
druken buddy: "dude, after i piss, i'm so there."

i wonder if google will index this, and cache it? wow that could make for some sweet folly the next time giant company x accidentally posts that they knowingly discriminate against minorities or hate gay midgets or fixed nazi computers that kept track of concentration camp prisoners.

holy crap did that get offtopic.

proof that the World Trade center attack was actually coordinated by George Bush

'...put a hand on my belt, another hand on my shoulder and propelled me out the door of my office," says Cheney. "I'm not sure how they do it, but they sort of levitate you down the hallway. You move very fast." '
Source: CBS News.

Being jaded is one thing, being scared is another.

What's scary is when the term "terrorist' is used to describe ordinary people in a court of law. See here, here, here, and elsewhere.

I'm from NYC, where I live. I've known about bin Laden's threat since at latest the 1993 attempt to blow up the WTC. Which is why I understood Clinton's bombing of Afghanistan in 1998, after al Qaeda bombed our African embassies. Which is why I resented the Gingrich Republican Congress stopping Clinton by waving a blue dress, wagging the leash that wags the dog. Where are you, with so much at stake in the Terror War?

I also know that Putin, running Russia on a weapons and oil economy, has much to gain by lying about Hussein, or anything else to row his boat along with Bush, and little to stop him. If you can produce CIA corroboration of Putin's claim, let's see if it's as flimsy as their other lies about Iraq and terrorism. How about the CIA clearly saying there was "no evidence of any active Iraqi terrorist threat against the U.S."? Your proof that Putin made the statement is as relevant as proof that British intelligence said that Iraq was buying uranium from Niger. I'm unimpressed by someone who believes the uncorroborated word of the obviously complicit Russian president, and talks about tinfoil when spewing shibboleths about other people's politics, especially when they're wrong about both. And if you don't understand the significance of your boy, Bush, pouring lies into the media, then blaming them on foreigners, while strutting to the chant of "personal responsibility", then I'll never get through to you in a Slashdot post. Best of luck with your appetite for official propaganda.

rather tha posting a story like this, they prefer to champion nothing stories that advance the editors' agenda.

I guess everyone here in the US has forgotten about the 2 "lost" nuclear bombs that are "somewhere" lost in the mud in a marsh off the coast of savanna georgia!?!?!?!?!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/06/tech/mai n615978.shtml

And, all too often, against his buddies. About half the persian gulf war casualties were friendly fire, not even counting murders and self-inflicted casualties. And sometimes they buddies you're fighting against are high on speed

Back on topic -- training soldiers in a video game will just make them that much more careless in this regard. You lose something when you bomb the canadians in the simulation, and then go out drinking with the same guys that evening.

This comment is so rich. I can only spend a little time on it, but here's a shot:

First, let's talk about references. When I say something like x is due to y, I like to back it up with something like according to z(www.z.com), you get the picture.

Now the "Germany KNOWS that Saddam did have WMD" statement sounds a little overstated - I would assume you are referring to international findings of that nature and not the Germans in particular?

On that note, almost every country has WMD right now. I think that makes the WMD case for war a bit daft, but that's just a personal opinion.

I'm at a bit of a loss on this statement:
"Are we to believe that in the interim period, Iraq secretly destroyed all of its remaining weapons, on its own, with no supervision or involvement of outside monitors, all with no proof or records"
Let's try CNN on this one. Looks like they were destroying them right up to the war.

Here's another idea I take issue with:
"it's not just about bombing people into oblivion; it's about encouraging free government with a free flow of information"
The question I have here is why, after over a year, have we still seen none of this come to fruition? Sure, we handed over power, but to an unelected government that we selected. Also, how did we contribute to the free flow of information by banning newspapers?

You go on to insist that this was somehow was positive for "most of the civilized world", but offer no rational for that logic. I think it's much safer to assume that the real winners here are defence contractors tied to the Whitehouse

"People think that the US just wants to arrogantly steamroll people..." Please don't talk about the actions of the state as the actions of the US. I'm a part of this great country, and like many others, I consider this war a shameful crime against humanity.

(CBS) NASA cast doubt Wednesday on the theory that a piece of foam debris striking the shuttle during liftoff was the "root cause" of the Columbia disaster.

Space shuttle program manager Ron Dittemore said that after a careful study of the damage possible from the fall of a 20-inch chunk of foam insulation, investigators are "looking somewhere else."

The patch of foam insulation breaking off from the shuttle's external fuel tank during launch and striking tiles on the underside of the left wing has been the leading theory of Columbia's destruction, in which all seven astronauts on board were killed.

In recent days, some space experts have speculated that the chunk of foam was coated or infused with ice, which could have increased the weight -- and destructive potential -- of the piece that hit the shuttle.

"I don't think it's ice. I don't think there's an embedded ice question here," Dittemore said, adding that the foam is water-resistant and that an inspection team found no ice conditions that day. "So it is something else.

"It doesn't make sense to us that a piece of debris could be the root cause of the loss of Columbia and its crew," Dittemore said. "There's got to be another reason."

-FL

I flubbed the link, here is the correct one:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/05/national /main587049.shtml

here is the story
You are confused about how porn is protected, porn is protected under free speech as long as it doesn't depict anything illegal(child sex etc) and as long as it is not marketed towards children. In this case, it clearly was marketed towards children because not many adults look for their porn by typing in mis-spellings of disney words.....

Yes he did.

> because during his campaign he said, "I will not engage in nation building."

As opposed to what he is doing now, which is setting up a government, peacekeeping operations, army/police force building & training, rebuilding a national infrastructure, brokering construction contracts, etc. That's not nation building, naw.

> And if he had intended to attack Iraq all along, given that Iran helped the 9/11 hijackers into the United States, and cover their tracks, and *is* developing nuclear weapons, well that would make him evil, and a traitor to our country. As opposed to a moron.

I'm waiting to hear how any of those things are mutually exclusive. ^_^

I don't know about the speeding, but there is a place in San Francisco that will track you with GPS. If you drive out of state, they levy fines. Too many people were renting cars and going to Vegas apparently. The company is...

PayLess

I actually used them extensively and they have great service aside from the whole GPS thing.

here's an article about it:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/06/eveningn ews/main604461.shtml

rtfa. It was NASA chief Sean O'Keefe's decision to plan mission, not President Bush's, nor his administration's.

This link makes it clear that O'Keef wants this to be a "robotic mission". I don't think they can design robots to replace batteries and gyros by 2007, but I truly hope they can. So it won't be a political battle that axes it, but a technological one.

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If we could have just tried Orion, we could have landed full-scale bases on the moon, mars, and wherever else we wanted them with only a handful of launches. And we would have done this more than 20 years ago.

We've lost the tooling now to even make more of the Saturn V rockets we used to have. The only reason NASA can even do as much as it does anymore is because they can take advantage of miniturization to fit more in their tiny payloads. That and having Russia save our butts on the station.

It makes me sick.

I've found that there are many people who just don't want to believe that there is corruption in the U.S. government. They say completely illogical things in response. Me: There is corruption. Response: You are partisan. You are saying the Democrats are wonderful.

While the parent comment was being posted, I was watching a CBS 60 Minutes segment that discusses widespread corruption in the FBI.

You are correct, there is no law. In fact, a year or so ago, a movie (Bruce Almighty) used a real phone number. Comedy insued for the owner of the phone number.

Linky here

Well, short term bans (or a point system before a ban except for major issues), will work more evenly than fines.

As for short yellows:
2.7 seconds
Caution raised on red-light cameras

While they don't say that the yellow length was shortened, it's implied that they either did that or purposly selected lights with short yellows.

As for lowering speed limits, that's been a tradition of small towns on/by highways for generations in the USA. They usually go after out of town tags. Even write you up for one over. They pay for their police force that way.

It happens. There was some recent trouble with a phone number in Bruce Almighty, for example.

That's rather misleading isn't it?

If you let the government give subsidies, how long do you think it will take before they start attaching strings to the money. I.E. We'll give you the money only if you filter content we find offensive. Seems far fetch? What about the conditions currently on healthcare money relating to family planning ( Reproductive Health Restrictions) or Stem Cell Research ( Scientists Call For Stem Cell Research).

Porn continues to be one of the leading drivers of technology (war being the other one) having "made" the VCR, VideoCD, color-printing, Video Streaming, and many other industries.

Porn also continues to be a serious business, with the New York Times (may 18 cover story) claiming Pornography has $10 - $14 billion in annual sales - bigger than any major sports league.

The porn industry employes 12,000 people in California alone, contributing $36 million in taxes to the state. Comcast makes $50 million per year on adult cable programming. DirecTV is estimated (by CBS) to make $500 million/year on adult content.

Recent estimates of Internet porn are that it's about a 1 billion dollar industry. CBS reports that "Consumer demand is so strong that it has seduced some of America's biggest brand names, and companies like General Motors, Marriott and Time Warner are now making millions selling erotica to America. Correspondent Steve Kroft reports.".

The CBS article claims that Hilton, Marriot, Hyatt, Sheraton and Holiday Inn all offer pay-per-view porn and such programming is purchased by 50 percent(!!!) of guests accounting for 70% of in-room-profits.

Bottom line is merely that we respect porn as an important technology driver, and serious business that is very important to both broadband communication (this article) and other technologies including digital video, alternative payment mechanisms (phone-sex is the biggest driver for phone-calling-cards), etc.

Perhaps one day when you reach puberty you'll understand too.

Porn continues to be one of the leading drivers of technology (war being the other one) having "made" the VCR, VideoCD, color-printing, Video Streaming, and many other industries.

Porn also continues to be a serious business, with the New York Times (may 18 cover story) claiming Pornography has $10 - $14 billion in annual sales - bigger than any major sports league.

The porn industry employes 12,000 people in California alone, contributing $36 million in taxes to the state. Comcast makes $50 million per year on cable programming. DirecTV is estimated (by CBS) to make $500 million/year.

Recent estimates of Internet porn are that it's about a 1 billion dollar industry.

CBS reports that "Consumer demand is so strong that it has seduced some of America's biggest brand names, and companies like General Motors, Marriott and Time Warner are now making millions selling erotica to America. Correspondent Steve Kroft reports.".

The CBS article claims that Hilton, Marriot, Hyatt, Sheraton and Holiday Inn all offer pay-per-view porn and such programming is purchased by 50 percent(!!!) of guests accounting for 70% of in-room-profits.

" Sorry, it isn't funny, intelligent, and I think most readers would say that you are simply embarassing yourself"
We're not laughing it it -- we're respecting it as an important technology driver, and serious business that is very important to both broadband communication (this article) and other technologies including digital video, alternative payment mechanisms (phone-sex is the biggest driver for phone-calling-cards), etc.

Perhaps one day when you reach puberty you'll understand too.

The judge had to listen to the complete compendium of law and fact supporting SCO's claims, which was recorded in 1973 by Rose Mary Woods.

Could it be that the first ones with numbers had only 1-9 and people were to use O as 0 and that when the 0 was added they placed it at the end so that the numbers would not be shifted over?

You are correct, and actually early typewriters had no one either. Lowercase "L" was used in place of 1. My invoice for my 1966 ford f-250 shows evidence of both L and o for 1 and 0 for all the prices, with errors XXXXed out when the typer accidently used an upercase L.

see here

Needless to say, the prior generation needed to adapt to the fact that a computer cared about the fact that 0O and l1 were indeed diffrent letters, where in years past it didn't make a flipping bit of diffrence. The current generation is lost on that typewriter as it's missing numbers.

I agree with you 100% there. Shameful from the party that claims to be for smaller government and fiscal responsibilty.

"Oh, our deficits are not record, especially when compared to the GDP."

We have record deficits alright. Even the White House and Congressional budget offices say so. $521 billion deficit in the 2004 budget alone.

CBS says so. MSNBC says so. CNN says so.

Just because it doesn't make the GDP Triple Crown doesn't remove the fact that we're bleeding cash like a gored hemophiliac matador.

NBC is owned by GE, which in turn owns GE Energy. With the resent history of power outages on July 13 in Grece, I wonder how they back up against that?

This is stale. They've already found the data again...

See here.

In any case it's not newsworthy.

I had heard that the biggest problem with either sequencing the dog's DNA or cloning a dog (the Missyplicity project) was the comparatively large number of chromosomes. In fact, a National Geographic article titled "Wolf to Woof" (tiny excerpt available here) notes the dog's 78 chromosomes (compared with our measly 46) as one of the reasons you can group a Great Dane and a Pomeranian as part of the same species.

I'm a cat person, myself. Cats, being contrary by nature, allowed themselves to be cloned, but then came out looking completely different because coat color and pattern is determined after conception.

Mainstream? Like Forbes, BusinessWeek , Ziff-Davis (and here and here too), CBS News, USA Today, and most have heard of PC Magazine, plus a lot of papers like The Houston Chronicle, The Detroit News, the Syracuse Post-Standard, The Baltimore Sun, and the St. Louis Post-Standard. I have all those links plus others in a list I just send to people. I keep adding to it as I find more. Usually gets the message across that I'm not making stuff up.

FUCKING PAY ATTENTION, AMERICA!

I swear to God, ignorance and apathy in America is what is dooming us. You don't watch the news because "it doesn't affect you", and then use that position of ignorance to claim that nothing bad has happened, and thus it doesn't affect you. WAKE UP.

Innocent man targeted with PATRIOT powers.
Immigrants detained without charges, abused.
PATRIOT used in non-terrorism investigations.

I don't have time to do any more googling. You should have already known about this. Mayfield was only a month ago. The report of abuses is new.

PAY ATTENTION, or you're going to get fucked while you're not looking.