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Re:Get the fix early here.
Yes.
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Re:"The answer to that is yes"
Pick an application and you can get a more definate answer.
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Re:Graphs and Charts for Scientific Publication
Why don't you see if Prism will run in CrossOver Office Professional 3.0.1. It can run MS Office, Photoshop 7 and many other MS Windows based apps very well. It just may handle Prism, though I have not tried it yet myself.
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Support Codeweavers
I buy Codeweavers products. They give back to the community, unlike Transgaming.
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Re:Fun: Microsoft software running under Linux
Microsoft would be in a position where it could compete for the position of supplying office software, but only if it ported their office software to the Open Source platform.
Or they could have teamed up with Code Weavers.
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Re:What About Heavy-Duty Software?
Photoshop 7 runs pretty well under Crossover Office 3. You can read up a little here. I don't think any of the other heavy hitters you mentioned are tested under Crossover yet. Personally, I'm sticking with dual-boot until Photoshop runs perfectly. And as far-fetched as that may be, I think the idea of perfectly running all of your listed programs under any kind of emulation is a huge longshot.
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Re:Other Soloutions...
The article says even though MS Project runs only on Windows.
Actually I think you all will find that MS Project does run under Codeweaver's WINE, see MS Project is there on the list. It's got a Bronze on the Supported Applications list too, up there with Outlook XP which also has a Bronze (and that runs very smoothly on my PC).
The author also writes With this, I can have my "must-have" programs: MS Project and Visio.
Well, with Crossover you can have both Visio 2000 and Project. The question is, which one would you spend money on, $89.99 for Win4Lin (slower) or $39.95 for Crossover (faster).
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Re:Other Soloutions...
The article says even though MS Project runs only on Windows.
Actually I think you all will find that MS Project does run under Codeweaver's WINE, see MS Project is there on the list. It's got a Bronze on the Supported Applications list too, up there with Outlook XP which also has a Bronze (and that runs very smoothly on my PC).
The author also writes With this, I can have my "must-have" programs: MS Project and Visio.
Well, with Crossover you can have both Visio 2000 and Project. The question is, which one would you spend money on, $89.99 for Win4Lin (slower) or $39.95 for Crossover (faster).
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Re:Other Soloutions...
The article says even though MS Project runs only on Windows.
Actually I think you all will find that MS Project does run under Codeweaver's WINE, see MS Project is there on the list. It's got a Bronze on the Supported Applications list too, up there with Outlook XP which also has a Bronze (and that runs very smoothly on my PC).
The author also writes With this, I can have my "must-have" programs: MS Project and Visio.
Well, with Crossover you can have both Visio 2000 and Project. The question is, which one would you spend money on, $89.99 for Win4Lin (slower) or $39.95 for Crossover (faster).
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Re:Does this really apply?Uh, again - me, sure. My mother, no way in hell would she do that.
So why don't you (for example) charge your mother 1/5 of what the TiVo subscription fees to maintain her xmltv software via ssh.
That sort of business model worked for CodeWeavers.
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Re:The fact that it is so difficult to administer.
lack of plugins for mozilla (come on, no shockwave? weak!)
IIRC, Shockwave (as opposed to Flash) is Windows-dependent. However, if you don't mind parting with a little money (and you're running on an x86, which I suspect you are), I suggest you have a look at what CodeWeavers offers.
As far as your other problems are concerned, I use Debian GNU/Linux almost exclusively, and I can say that I don't have any of the problems you've described. (Although, I use Mozilla Firefox, not Mozilla itself.) I suspect your problems might be related to driver bugs.
I don't think Linux is perfect (far from it), but it's currently the best tool I've found so far that allows me to get stuff done.
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Try crossover office or Wine.
It allows you to run Windows Applications on Linux!. It is also a lot safer that way. So don't run Windows at all. Don't forget all the great Linux video editing tools such as Kdenlive, mencoder, Kino, Dinebolic etc. So enjoy the Windows free world, more and more people are discovering that you CAN live in a Windows Free World, I hope you will join them. I am one of them.
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Please, these aren't tobacco adsI appreciate this guy's point, but:
- The publishing business is rough. You have to do what you have to do. I read Maxim magazine. They have a huge circulation, are very popular, they get plenty of advertisers, and yet they have to run cigarette ads because they buy some of the most expensive ad slots. What can you do? Ads ultimately are just offering consumers a choice. And these aren't tobacco ads; MS just uses some very agressive/slightly illegal marketing tactics. This isn't selling a product which is known to be addictive and cause cancer.
- What's wrong with Microsoft? They make some truly great software (Office) which runs fine on Linux. I'm a 100% Linux desktop user, and guess what, I buy Microsoft software to run on my Linux box! I don't have a Windows partition either.
- We're all techies here, right? We all believe that technology products should be evaluated on their merits. Does that somehow not apply to Microsoft products? If Microsoft ____ is the best solution for a given application, shouldn't we acknowledge that? Again, this is from a 100% Linux desktop user, who has been a 100% Linux desktop user for years, even back in the old painful days when the best browser was Netscape 4.something. Now I have Mozilla, IE and Konqueror to choose from, all on one desktop, and I chose based on their merits.
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Shockwave Player(Disclaimer: This post is based on knowledge I obtained working with Macromedia Director 6 -- about 5 years ago. My memories might be somewhat distorted.)
The problem with Shockwave is that it was never intended to be cross-platform. Shockwave (or at least, Macromedia Director) seems to make extensive calls to the Windows API to do a lot of the things it does (playing AVI movies comes to mind).
If you want Shockwave support for Linux/x86, you can use the Crossover plugin (now integrated with Crossover Office), which is made by CodeWeavers.
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Oracle is a great server but has poor client tools
We're talking about desktop development tools here, not server products.
Oracle is a great database server with some fantastic features not found, for example, in MS SQL Server. However the Oracle (9) client tools are worse than SQL Server's from a usability standpoint.
Oracle's client tools run in Linux and Windows because they are Java (I'm thinking the Enterprise Manager Console and SQL Plus Worksheet here.) This is great for them working cross-platform but is not great for usability because they do not use standard UI interface features from the host OS. This has knock-on effects - for example, a scroll mouse doesn't work.
We might also note that Macromedia's server products such as ColdFusion and JRun all run on Linux. (And have run on other UNIXes such as Solaris for a lot longer.) There just isn't the market there for a desktop port of Flash; if there was, they would port it. Or you could use CrossOver Office.
In any case, the Flash specification is open, so you are free to write your own authoring tools for Linux. (Certainly there are third party tools on Windows.) -
This poor suffering disucssionPeople on
/. love to talk about all things to do with MS vs. Linux and yet this poor suffering discussion only generates a couple dozen comments. I will add in something about the best real-world way to use Wine: Codeweaver's Crossover Office. It really works. Microsoft Office 2000 works perfectly in Crossover Office, and Office XP is completely usable for day-to-day work. It is amazing how well these things work and how well they integrate into the Linux desktop. Wine is the foundation of it, and it works. If it works this well now, how will it be by the end of the year? They also have a cascade effect, in that if they solve a bug in MS Office, that might also solve bugs in many other untested applications. I have noticed that the unsupported apps work better and better. Wine is a relevant and cool project. The thing that might make it irrelevant is that Linux desktop software options are catching up. I think that OpenOffice.org is already better than MS Office in many respects.-----------
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For those of you who might not be familiar with what Wine actually is, let me clarify. Even though some of us enjoy a sip of wine every now and then, this is not what we are talking about today. We are referring to a package that allows Windows applications to run on Linux... outside of an emulator. Wine uses an open source Windows API (application programming interface) to allow modified Win32 binaries to run in a UNIX/Linux environment, completely free of Windows. Think of it not as an emulator, but more of a compatibility layer, or translator if you will. The status of the Wine project can be found here.
CodeWeavers is at the head of the pack in Wine development and deservedly so. They produce the most well packaged, capable distributions of Wine available. As Jeremy has stated, development is in the hands of their customer base and supporters. Whatever the customer wants the customer gets, and so it should rightfully be. Mr. White knows his business. You can see which applications are getting all of the attention at the CodeWeavers Top List page, and it's actually pretty interesting to see what apps are getting pushed to the top. Take a look.
Well, enough of the small talk, let's carry on with the interview. Enjoy!
Mad Penguin: First of all, I'd like to thank you for taking the time to sit down with us today to answer a few questions. I guess the first thing I'd like to know is more personal than anything... why Linux? What was the motivational factor(s) behind developing software to run Windows applications on Linux?
Jeremy White: Well, it's a fairly long story. I've always been a geek. I've loved programming on computers since I was 11 and had to sneak into the Radio Shack to do it, and I've also always loved computer games. Early in my career, I grew quite proficient at communications and networking programming. I was working on a project for a customer that had a Solaris system. But, they were across town, and I had to drive over there to work on it, and I couldn't afford a Sun of my own. So, instead, I installed and starting developing against Linux (circa 94 I'd say), and then just migrating the code once it was done.
So that's when I fell in love with Linux, and when we started having at least one Linux box around all the time.
Now fast forward to about 1997. One day, at lunch, I'm talking to a few new hires (young kids) that had never played the original Combat cartridge in an Atari 2600. This struck me as horrible
cultural illiteracy on their part, and so I set off to find an Atari 2600 emulator to correct this horrible flaw in their education. Along the way, I stumbled across the Wine project, and thought that it was the most audacious project I'd seen in a long time. I thought then (as I think now) that if Linux could become a truly Windows compatible operating system, it would allow for an explosion in new computing choices, and I'd get to feel like that kid at Radio Shack again.
Further, in 1996, I had founded CodeWeavers so I could do work I considered meaningful, challenging, and fun, and although we did some fun projects, I was really looking for a mission. Of course, I had a day job (and a young kid), so I couldn't really do much with Wine then. But I kept dreaming, and then one day, it being the 90s and all, I decided to pursue a business built around Wine and helping people port Windows software to Linux. I successfully landed some venture capital, asked a bunch of the Wine developers to come on board, and that's really how we got started on this mission.
MP: I'm interested in learning how quickly CodeWeavers evolved into the full-blown business it is today. Ho -
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For those of you who might not be familiar with what Wine actually is, let me clarify. Even though some of us enjoy a sip of wine every now and then, this is not what we are talking about today. We are referring to a package that allows Windows applications to run on Linux... outside of an emulator. Wine uses an open source Windows API (application programming interface) to allow modified Win32 binaries to run in a UNIX/Linux environment, completely free of Windows. Think of it not as an emulator, but more of a compatibility layer, or translator if you will. The status of the Wine project can be found here.
CodeWeavers is at the head of the pack in Wine development and deservedly so. They produce the most well packaged, capable distributions of Wine available. As Jeremy has stated, development is in the hands of their customer base and supporters. Whatever the customer wants the customer gets, and so it should rightfully be. Mr. White knows his business. You can see which applications are getting all of the attention at the CodeWeavers Top List page, and it's actually pretty interesting to see what apps are getting pushed to the top. Take a look.
Well, enough of the small talk, let's carry on with the interview. Enjoy!
Mad Penguin: First of all, I'd like to thank you for taking the time to sit down with us today to answer a few questions. I guess the first thing I'd like to know is more personal than anything... why Linux? What was the motivational factor(s) behind developing software to run Windows applications on Linux?
Jeremy White: Well, it's a fairly long story. I've always been a geek. I've loved programming on computers since I was 11 and had to sneak into the Radio Shack to do it, and I've also always loved computer games. Early in my career, I grew quite proficient at communications and networking programming. I was working on a project for a customer that had a Solaris system. But, they were across town, and I had to drive over there to work on it, and I couldn't afford a Sun of my own. So, instead, I installed and starting developing against Linux (circa 94 I'd say), and then just migrating the code once it was done.
So that's when I fell in love with Linux, and when we started having at least one Linux box around all the time.
Now fast forward to about 1997. One day, at lunch, I'm talking to a few new hires (young kids) that had never played the original Combat cartridge in an Atari 2600. This struck me as horrible
cultural illiteracy on their part, and so I set off to find an Atari 2600 emulator to correct this horrible flaw in their education. Along the way, I stumbled across the Wine project, and thought that it was the most audacious project I'd seen in a long time. I thought then (as I think now) that if Linux could become a truly Windows compatible operating system, it would allow for an explosion in new computing choices, and I'd get to feel like that kid at Radio Shack again.
Further, in 1996, I had founded CodeWeavers so I could do work I considered meaningful, challenging, and fun, and although we did some fun projects, I was really looking for a mission. Of course, I had a day job (and a young kid), so I couldn't really do much with Wine then. But I kept dreaming, and then one day, it being the 90s and all, I decided to pursue a business built around Wine and helping people port Windows software to Linux. I successfully landed some venture capital, asked a bunch of the Wine developers to come on board, and that's really how we got started on this mission.
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Wine / CrossOver?
Has anyone gotten the client running with Wine or CodeWeaver'sCrossOver? It installs and starts alright, but on the console, a bunch of warnings is printed:
CLOSE: WARNING: Unit 60 Not Opened
CLOSE: WARNING: Unit 62 Not Opened
CLOSE: WARNING: Unit 63 Not Opened
CLOSE: WARNING: Unit 64 Not Opened
CLOSE: WARNING: Unit 65 Not Opened
CLOSE: WARNING: Unit 66 Not Opened
CLOSE: WARNING: Unit 67 Not Opened
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Re:Whatever happened to Crossover Plugin?
The CrossOver Plugin functionality was rolled into CrossOver Office (that was one of the key changes in 3.0).
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Re:plug it, Luke!
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Re:plug it, Luke!
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Re:how about a foundation, instead of lottery tickWell, that is pretty much the idea behind our compatibility center.
And, if you donate to WineHQ, I'll see that that money flows through to buy apps for Wine hackers (mostly games, I want to send Lionel a tub full).
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Re:how about a foundation, instead of lottery tick> Or, just ask people to "donate" by maintaining a wishlist of packages schools are looking to run.
Umm - that's the whole purpose of the "Compatibility" area of the CodeWeavers website is for....? Why not just get schools (or related people) who are willing to add such programs to the list, "advocate" the project (provide help and testing), and/or pledge (donate) towards them? If there are enough people (parents??) who are willing to vote or drop in a few dollars, I'm sure that would make a good difference...
http://www.codeweavers.com/site/compatibility/top
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Project David about to stop...
PROJECT DAVID about to resign. Ladies and Gentlemen, we are proud to announce the end of the Project David joke. SpecOps, a Phillipines company, decided that it wouldn't be a good thing to show what's under the hood of Project David AKA CrossOver Office. The David Technology section is temporarily disabled, as well as the David Technology Validations and the David Development Plan. The SpecOps engineers are asking for more time to find and remplace all wine occurence to david. Chief architech said by the end of the year there shoudn't be any trace of WINE or Crossover Office inside the code. Then the CD will be released as a binary app. for $39. Technical support will be done through the WINE mailing list. Please be patient. Project David is about to be a nightmare for Steve Ballmer.
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Re:It's all about the phbsShow me an ad that says, "Hey this works okay most of the time,"
This is exactly what CodeWeavers does, for example here.
To quote: "The office assistant sort of works, but when it's running, things get weird and break badly. It's fun to try, but remember to turn Clippy off when you're done."
Now that might be a bad example, since Clippy mostly never gets installed, but I've seen MANY customers on the mailinglist who state that they bought the product just because of this honesty.
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Re:It's all about the phbsShow me an ad that says, "Hey this works okay most of the time,"
This is exactly what CodeWeavers does, for example here.
To quote: "The office assistant sort of works, but when it's running, things get weird and break badly. It's fun to try, but remember to turn Clippy off when you're done."
Now that might be a bad example, since Clippy mostly never gets installed, but I've seen MANY customers on the mailinglist who state that they bought the product just because of this honesty.
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CrossOver Office 3.0 now supports Notes 6.5.1
Another good news for Linux in the Enterprise came from CodeWeaver's CrossOver Office 3.0. It now supports Lotus Notes 6.5.1 on Linux.
CodeWeaver is happy to announce that today we have shipped version 3.0 of CrossOver Office.
We've added new, official, support for Outlook XP, Microsoft Project, and Notes 6.5.1. Unofficially, we're excited by users comments that far more applications are working now. These include programs like Framemaker and Microsoft Money. You can see the full list of changes here:
http://www.codeweavers.com/site/products/cxoffice/ change_log/
Further, this version marks some fairly ubstantial changes in our CrossOver Product line. First, we have merged the CrossOver Plugin product into the CrossOver Office product offering, so now all non server versions of CrossOver automatically provide
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CrossOver Office 3.0 now supports Notes 6.5.1
Another good news for Linux in the Enterprise came from CodeWeaver's CrossOver Office 3.0. It now supports Lotus Notes 6.5.1 on Linux.
CodeWeaver is happy to announce that today we have shipped version 3.0 of CrossOver Office.
We've added new, official, support for Outlook XP, Microsoft Project, and Notes 6.5.1. Unofficially, we're excited by users comments that far more applications are working now. These include programs like Framemaker and Microsoft Money. You can see the full list of changes here:
http://www.codeweavers.com/site/products/cxoffice/ change_log/
Further, this version marks some fairly ubstantial changes in our CrossOver Product line. First, we have merged the CrossOver Plugin product into the CrossOver Office product offering, so now all non server versions of CrossOver automatically provide
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Project David
We've heard that Project David could be a CrossOver Office rip-off. To what extent is David a fraud and what are your options to combat those who would misrepresent themselves using your products for VC or even illegal/infringing sales revenue?
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Article is wrong.
It claims that office only works on Windows and Mac intosh. It also runs on Linux and Freinds. You just need to Cross over. I know many people who have switched to Linux purley because they can run office on it.
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Re:Show me something recent...
Office 2003 is out, and does not even install in Crossover or Wine. link
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Which Kind of Ripoff?
Could this project be based on the leaked MS code, or is it really a CrossOver Office ripoff? I can't tell, but Mike McCormack could.
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Re:Or use crossover office!
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Spyware and tech supportMost OEM Helpdesks refuse to help the customer uninstall Spyware and Adware. They do not want to get sued by Spyware and Adware makers.
I found that Spysweeper works better than SpyBot or others. It scans memory and can prevent Spyware and Adware from installing and schedules a regular scan in case they do install.
If you run an X86 PC system with Windows, There is a solution to the malware problem if you are not too chicken to use it. Buy Crossover Office if you really want to run MS-Office and other MS-Junk. Yes you heard me right, leave that POS called Windows for an OS that does not suffer from such bad malware and security prolems.
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Or use crossover office!
Cross over office lets you run your Windows Applications in Linux! Office, Photoshop, Quicken, Dreamweaver and more! I officially abandoned Windows due to this App! Get it now!, or get it preinstalled with SuSE Office Desktop or Xandros.
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Re:Programs first, then the OS
Tried inkscape?. I am a professional graphics designer. I migrated my entire business to it from illistrator.
Don't forget Crossover office, lets you run Office and Photoshop on Linux.
Also if you want usabillity, get a distro with GNOME 2.6! Its so easy to use, I find Windows painful! -
Re:Why I...
If it's been a while since you tried Linux, try it again. Fedora (Red Hat), Mandrake, and S.u.S.E. have all made huge strides in the last 18 months in usability. I've handed off Fedora CDs to complete Windows-heads and they've been able to install it without any trouble, essentially by booting from CD and clicking "Next" over and over again until they're looking at a Linux desktop that is now easier than ever to use.
Everything is drag-and-drop these days, printers and sound and networks and all that stuff are configured using graphical tools with really easy defaults and nice hints/help not unlike the Windows control panel, software can be installed just by inserting a CD and double-clicking, etc. CD burning is as easy as dragging and dropping files as well.
If the big-name applications you're missing happen to be MS Office or Photoshop, you can now run these Windows applications flawlessly in Linux using Crossover Office, which is very inexpensive and easy to use: insert CD, double-click to install crossover. Then, insert your MS Office or Photoshop CD and run the installer; they'll install just as they would in Windows and will put icons in your start menu, etc. Even things like Windows Media player and Canon's RAW converter for SLR digital cameras work in Linux now when you have crossover installed.
Really, the Linux desktop today is a completely different place than it was even two years ago. The strides have been amazing. I have my mother using Linux, and if this self-proclaimed "scatterbrained little old lady" can use MS Office and Mozilla on Linux for all her needs, then so can most people. -
Re:One thing about photoshop!
Photoshop is great, but you CAN run it under Linux. It's a supported application of
Crossover Office.
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Re:wine?The iTunes installer requires some COM functionality not presently available on Wine (service-based activation, iirc). Because iTunes only works in 2k+ you can't use native DCOM to hack around this, the only solution is to implement support for it in Wines own OLE code.
Apparently, iTunes does actually work if you install it on Windows then copy it (and the registry entries it creates) across, though it's not really perfect.
Anyway, it's pretty high up on the CodeWeavers wishlist, so expect to see us work on it at some point. Just don't expect it soon - iTunes isn't really a killer app and there are some nice native equivalents like Muine or RhythmBox available.
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Re:My choices
For a Windows install my choices are
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1. ZoneAlarm Basic - Mandatory firewall
2. Windows Update - Mandatory updates
3. Mozilla - Why would you use Internet Explorer any longer?
4. Winrar - This little program is doing its job
5. Winamp
6. Acrobat reader
7. Putty - An efficient ssh client to communicate with your Linux boxes
8. OpenOffice.org - Word processing
9. Microsoft Office - Sometimes OpenOffice.org can't do the job...
10. Adobe PhotoShop
For Linux my choices are :
1. Update your installation - yum, apt or up2date
2. xmms-mp3 - Enable mp3 playback (freshrpms.net)
3. mplayer - The best video player (mpg, avi, dvd) (freshrpms.net)
4. perl-Video-DVDRip - Add a movie collection beside your music collection (freshrpms.net)
5. CodeWeavers CrossOver Plugin - Enable Microsoft plugins in Mozilla
6. Quicktime (via CrossOver Plugin)
7. Windows media player (via CrossOver Plugin)
8. Shockwave player (via CrossOver Plugin)
9. CodeWeavers CrossOver Office - Run Windows application in Linux
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Re:My choices
For a Windows install my choices are
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1. ZoneAlarm Basic - Mandatory firewall
2. Windows Update - Mandatory updates
3. Mozilla - Why would you use Internet Explorer any longer?
4. Winrar - This little program is doing its job
5. Winamp
6. Acrobat reader
7. Putty - An efficient ssh client to communicate with your Linux boxes
8. OpenOffice.org - Word processing
9. Microsoft Office - Sometimes OpenOffice.org can't do the job...
10. Adobe PhotoShop
For Linux my choices are :
1. Update your installation - yum, apt or up2date
2. xmms-mp3 - Enable mp3 playback (freshrpms.net)
3. mplayer - The best video player (mpg, avi, dvd) (freshrpms.net)
4. perl-Video-DVDRip - Add a movie collection beside your music collection (freshrpms.net)
5. CodeWeavers CrossOver Plugin - Enable Microsoft plugins in Mozilla
6. Quicktime (via CrossOver Plugin)
7. Windows media player (via CrossOver Plugin)
8. Shockwave player (via CrossOver Plugin)
9. CodeWeavers CrossOver Office - Run Windows application in Linux
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Re:I guess it's a nice to have...
I've successfully run both Photoshop 6 and 7 under Crossover Office on various Linux distros. They ran absolutely fine. I haven't tried CS, but I can't imagine there would be too much trouble.
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Re:running MS-Word on a Linux Machine
This only needs two responses:
1) OpenOffice.org
2) Crossover Office
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Re:Office and reasons to switch.
but if MS office would run on Linux I would drop Windows like a red-headed step child
You should have seen this comming from a mile away: ms office runs easily on linux.
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Re: Windows Security Model Needs Fixing!
Wow, what are the odds of that? I just got the LiDE30, and yeah, it works flawlessly as long as you have the right permissions to access the device (I think you need to give the user access to
/proc/usb/[something] where your scanner is)
Anyways, you probably could run OfficeXP under wine somehow. I personally doubt it would run under normal wine, but winex (transgaming) would most likely run it, but I can't check here (nasty web filter) It should be on the software compatability list at http://transgaming.com.
Another option seems to be CodeWeavers which claim to support office XP, but the price is a whole lot higher than winex, and you probably would want winex anyway for running your games.
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Re:I'm ConvincedSo. Tell me - where do I buy MS Office for FreeBSD?
Linux?
Here it is for Linux.