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Glad to see some serious ripping of Chrome here.
It sucks and not just a little.

Like Microsoft, Google is trying to be all things to all people and this just makes for shit software.
Why the fuck do they need to use so much memory?

Try http://www.crazybrowser.com/
      as an example of the size a browser should be
      does not work for some pages so its the lesser of an evil for now anyway.

but seriously, Google is doing so much shit in the background that you need to give up most of your bandwidth to tracking and most of your memory for loading...so frustrating.

Does anyone else have a suggestion for a good light weight browser?

Maybe we need to create a 5k only Internet. No Flash allowed!
http://www.the5k.org/

Yeah, If I were Microsoft, I would provide the following options

amaya
Maxthon
crazy browser
grail

Spiffy skinjobs on the browser are nice and all, but they've been done before. The fact is, you're STILL running the fugly IE6 engine underneath, with all it's nasties and security issues.

NO EFFING THANK YOU!

http://www.crazybrowser.com/

a tabbed ie wrapper that i have been using for 2+ years (and its much easier to use the firefox IMO)

I've been using Crazybrowser for years, if this interests you crazy is also worth a look.
http://www.crazybrowser.com/

Actually the review sounded more like an add for Crazy Browser to me.

A lot of folks have thus used IE's rendering engine to enable tabbed browsing, plugin architecture, integrated popup blocking, etc. As a matter of fact, though I use IE's rendering engine, I probably haven't seriously used IE in 4+ years. Using IE as the base of the browser allows me to avoid all the incompatibilities of Mozilla/Opera/Firefox. On my PIII-350 IE is also a lot faster than Firefox. Tabbed browsing, popup blockers, etc. (currently by way of CrazyBrowser, though Maxthon/MyIE2 is more powerful and has plugins to block ads, restructure content, etc.) keep me sane.

A lot of folks have thus used IE's rendering engine to enable tabbed browsing, plugin architecture, integrated popup blocking, etc. As a matter of fact, though I use IE's rendering engine, I probably haven't seriously used IE in 4+ years. Using IE as the base of the browser allows me to avoid all the incompatibilities of Mozilla/Opera/Firefox. On my PIII-350 IE is also a lot faster than Firefox. Tabbed browsing, popup blockers, etc. (currently by way of CrazyBrowser, though Maxthon/MyIE2 is more powerful and has plugins to block ads, restructure content, etc.) keep me sane.

For IE tabbed browsing, you can always download a browser extension such as Crazy Browser or MyIE2.

I have been reading a lot about FireFox (and Opera, to be fair) here on Slashdot lately. Everyone who uses one of these alternative browsers has nothing but good things to say about them, and if someone says something bad about one then they are either attacked as being MS sheep or assaulted by a series of suggestions on how to fix the situation.

My question is this: aside from the obvious security-through-diversity advantage, and the fact that the IE HTML engine is a bit on the slow side, what are the benefits of using FireFox or Opera over, say, Slimbrowser, Crazybrowser, or MyIE2? These IE-based browsers have tabbed browsing, built-in pop-up blocking, mouse gestures, and a host of other features that they probably borrowed (read: stole) from the "geekier" browsers out there. I'm not saying that the 2 advantages I mentioned aren't enough, but if I'm running a firewall and antivirus program, and I don't notice the speed difference between them, why should I switch?

You can already get those features from 3rd parties like CrazyBrowser and from other plug-ins that are freely available.

Not to mention the fact that one can download Mozilla, FireFox, or any of a number of other browsers that give you this functionality.

Why is it a bad thing that different browsers have different functionality and people can go out and have a fine selection of software to choose from?

-- Cyrus (http://blogs.msdn.com/cyrusn)

Flawless pop-up blocking, the beauty of tabbed browsing

Nothing that IE doesn't have

Having said that, I have moved from Crazy Browser to Firefox. Extensions make Firefox the best browser out there.

If your favorite is IE except for tabbed browsing, try Crazy Browser. It blocks popups and uses the IE HTML engine. All IE only pages i've viewed with it work (including windows update) I personally think firefox is faster, but to each their own.

Avant Browser

Crazy Browser

My IE2

Those are just a few off the top of my head.

Crazy Browser

My IE2

Those are just a few off the top of my head. IE can be hosted as a control inside any other application. You don't like IE? Fine, use the rendering engine in any application you want. Hey, make it open source if you want!

Crazy Browser

My IE2

Those are just a few off the top of my head. IE can be hosted as a control inside any other application. You don't like IE? Fine, use the rendering engine in any application you want. Hey, make it open source if you want...

Avant Browser

Crazy Browser

My IE2

Those are just a few off the top of my head. IE can be hosted as a control inside any other application. You don't like IE? Fine, use the rendering engine in any application you want. Hey, make it open source if you want.

Crazy Browser

My IE2

Those are just a few off the top of my head. IE can be hosted as a control inside any other application. You don't like IE? Fine, use the rendering engine in any application you want. Hey, make it open source if you want.

OWA from Exchange 2003 works wonderfully with Mozilla 1.6 despite what MS claims. The only feature that doesn't seem to work correctly is reminder notifications, I think they coded that as an optional ActiveX plugin or something. Also IE's lack of features can be easily worked around by downloading one of the hundreds of wrapper programs like Crazybrowser.

It would be pretty simple for them to have a local copy of the stylesheet and modify the HTML from the server to include this before rendering.

It can't do tabbed browsing

you can't split the window into multiple frames to make ftp'ing and file management easier

if you visit a website you can't go recursively up the website's root tree

I noticed that if I read the article on Windows using the excellent Crazy Browser, an IE derivitative, many of the words in the article are double underlined and links to e-commerce sites. Viewing the article with Mozilla, no such hijacking occurs.

And more to the point: how to turn it off?

http://www.crazybrowser.com/

its a small download, it runs on top of IE, you get tabbed browsing and it blocks pop ups. I like it better than mozilla.

Uhm, who needs microsoft?

Disclaimer: I am in no way affiliated with CrazyBrowser- I just think its the jam, and that its way better than mozilla.

The only feature I wish I had with IE had was tabbed browsing...

Go here and download a copy of CrazyBrowser for Windows.

It's a wrapper for IE that adds pop-up blocking AND tabbed browsing, but still uses the IE engine. It shares the same folders for favorites, history, temporary internet files, etc., so once you load CrazyBrowser it will look and act just like IE with all your favorites and everything already in place.

Oh, and did I mention it's free (as in beer)?

I've started using Crazybrowser at work. It has a stupid name, but it's uses the IE html engine with tabs. It's got nothing on Safari, but better than no tabs.

I don't know how anyone can use IE without it.

I don't see how anyone can use IE without it. You can easily send queries to your 4 favorite search engines. Also, it can easily translate with the fish (replaces the useless 'go' button).

I went to thunderbird so that I could have links in my email pop up in crazy browser (sorry about popup, it's relatively harmless, just an ad for the commercial version) instead of having to browse with mozilla because in my experience IE just plain works better on windows. Plus, opening a new tab (another instance of IE, really) in crazybrowser is fast, unless some other OS operation is blocking it, but those operations block new mozilla windows/tabs too. But my experience is identical to yours; thunderbird doesn't feel any faster than mozilla mail, except that it starts (a little) faster.

Slimbrowser
MyIE2
Crazy Browser
Avant Browser (not free)
Netcaptor (not free)

Slimbrowser
MyIE2
Crazy Browser
Avant Browser (not free)
Netcaptor (not free)

Actually, I don't think the parent post was intended as a troll. The point of it was that, when you tie an application to the OS, people are only going to be able to upgrade that app as often as they upgrade their OS.

Strongly disagree. Assorted components of windows are upgraded through windows update on a regular basis.

How often is that? Check your parent's system -- is it still running Win 9x? Hmm...they probably know that using an upgrade program is going to screw up their settings. And reinstalling from scratch is going to remove their settings completely. So what to do if your OS is working fine but you want a better web browser?

Actually, my mom's system was running Mac OS 9 last I looked. She refuses to get on the internet though, and leaves that to her boyfriend, who is probably running an antiquated version of windows, and they have no broadband.

However, broadband is proliferating nicely and is about due for another price drop, perhaps due to pressure from wireless, or maybe just due to wireless.

Also: On windows I use IE for rendering but not for browsing exactly; I use CrazyBrowser which embeds IE and provides tabbed browsing and popup killing, also bookmarking groups of pages. In short, all the fun stuff in Mozilla, without the Mozilla. I suspect you will still be able to do the same when IE is considered an OS component. IF not, well, there's Mozilla, there's Opera. No one said you HAD to use the web browsing functionality that comes with windows.

MS may lose ground in the browser market because they have frozen IE at version 6 SP1

Yes but IE does have (free) third-party add-ons available such as CrazyBrowser and AvantBrowser that offer many great features similar to Mozilla. While CrazyBrowser development appears to be nailed to the perch or just resting, AvantBrowser is steaming along with a pretty active user community. Dunno if the masses are aware of these, though.

crazy browser has tabs. I believe it instantiates IE in each tab... so there you have it. All the "broken" sites that only work in IE and tabbed browsing to boot.

I still prefer mozilla, but crazybrowser is nice for our intranet (which doesn't work with mozilla).

• NetCaptor is the oldest, but costs $$$.
  
• Crazy Browser is free, and it's interface is almost a direct copy of NetCaptor but is no longer being actively developed.
  
• MyIE2 has a stupid name but is free and being actively developed. It also has tons of features including skinning, a plugin architecture and mouse gestures. Watch the spyware during installation though.
  

Or you could have installed a free IE addon to do both tabs and pop-up blocking elegently...

Crazy Browser uses the IE browser engine and has all the features of Mozilla. It's pretty easy to use and it gives you a count of how many popups you've not seen, which while pretty pointless, does seem to give you a cerain satisfaction knowing that you're not being inconvenienced.

viewing with CrazyBrowser gives you the ad, but in the browser window, so you dont get full screen, just full browser. Crazy Browser is like the best IE addon out there. and you get tabs =)

• MyIE2
  
• Crazy Browser
  
• Netcaptor
  
• Avant Browser
  

The chances are that if Microsoft see that enough people are moving away from IE because it doesn't have these features then they'll do something about it and risk the wrath of online websites.

Well, I say wrath because I don't see how Microsoft needs them anyway and they're going to be far more likely to listen to 14,000 people attempting to replace IE than a company who wants to invade you with pop up adverts.

I consider this to be what IE 7 could look like (but probably won't).

Why do people seem to assume that IE is incapable of blocking popups?

Ok, yeah, it can't do it by default. So what? There are innumerable popup blockers which vary from blocking all new windows unless you hold down some key (like Popup Stopper) to COM wrappers that do pretty much what Mozilla does (one of which is Crazy Browser) to proxy filters that filter out unwanted popups, ads, and more (such as Proxomitron. The last of which filters out far, far more than what Mozilla does, although it could be used with Mozilla as well if you wished.

Go ahead... whine about them being addons. The fact of the matter is that they're considerably smaller than Mozilla or even Firebird and they don't require the user to lose all their cookies or form data.

Honestly though, I switched from using IE+Proxomitron to Mozilla (at home) and Firebird (at work). And I do rather prefer it, since it gives me more flexibility on what I do and don't block (ok... Proxomitron is technically far, far more flexible... but that flexibility is painful to access - Mozilla/FB give me flexibility and ease of applying that flexibility). But that doesn't mean that they're not valid options to use.

However, I have found that Mozilla currently has the best e-mail client out there. I've used a plain old text only e-mail client for years but with more and more people sending HTML e-mails and the need to send e-mails in different character sets, I've had to finally switch. Been using Moz mail for about a month now and am very happy with it so far. There's still bugs here and there and loading is a little slow but it's the only one that does everything that I need it to.

I upgraded from Netscape 4.7x as my email client. The email client had all the features I wanted, and everything worked great. I decided to upgrade to Mozilla 1.2.x and most things have worked. Grabbed the spellchecker plugin and gpg, all set.

Only problems I have now, is I want to use Mozilla 1.2.x for email, and also run 1.4 to support and bugcheck. Pain in the ASS. Trying to switch back and forth is a headache. And I dont want to move my data from 2 different versions.

Onto my work machine. (laptop w/docking station aka slow hd)

Mozilla uses way too much resources compared to IE. So I use Crazy Browser. An IE wrapper that ads tabs and popup control, freeware too.

I thought Phoenix would be worth switching from crazy browser, but It still has too much Mozilla bloat at the moment. (I'm sure they will lean that puppy down, but its a work in progress...)

The pre-temp save bug is annoying and locks mozilla while its busy. Windows says its "Not Responding". Bug 129923

But on a fast PC, Mozilla rips IE apart. I added them to my user.js incase anyone is interested.
- // This one makes a huge difference. Last value in milliseconds (default is 250)
user_pref("nglayout.initialpaint.delay", 0); // Enable pipelining:
user_pref("network.http.pipelining", true);
user_pref("network.http.proxy.pipelining", true);
user_pref("network.http.pipelining.maxrequ ests", 64); // Specify the amount of memory cache in kilobytes:
user_pref("browser.cache.memory.capaci ty", 10240); // Click on throbber to go to Phoenix Help:
user_pref("browser.throbber.url","http://ww w.googl e.com/"); // Change to normal Google search:
user_pref("keyword.URL", "http://google.com/search?btnG=Google+Search&q="); // disable target="_blank" (open in same window):
user_pref("browser.block.target_new_wind ow", true); // Stop reusing active windows:
user_pref("advanced.system.supportDDEExe c", false);

Ideally, you'd be able to configure ATL+Enter and/or Shift+Enter for .org and .edu

Crazy Browser has exactly that feature.

...though it is incredibly hard to resist the urge to accidentally just close the Opera window ... accidentally closing all 30 tabs I have open...

If you're on Windows, try Crazy Browser. It's kind of a shell on top of IE which adds tabbed browsing, popup blocking, etc.

One of the cool things it does is remember all the tabs you had open when it quits. When you start it again, all the tabs you had open are still there. It's very handy and there's no danger in quiting the browser (accidental or not).

I'm guessing a hell of a lot here, but if Microsoft decide to release IE 7 and put some reasonable effort into it (that is a big "if"), then you'll get something which works a lot like this.

Personally I love it. I've tried Opera and Mozilla but for some reason always end up coming back to this. Sure it uses the IE rendering engine and has the 1001 security flaws that we all know about - but somehow it just feels comfortable.

I think thats another reason why there isn't this mass exodus away from IE. Non-Slashdot reading people (ie. 99% of the computer owning public) get comfortable with something and are totally reluctant to change.

CrazyBrowser - These guys have it, too. It's a decent browser. *shrug* Works well, doesn't crash, fast-ish browsing, little slow though.

Many IE users don't bother with the back button either, but use Crazy Browser which adds a tabbed interface with middle-click to open a link and middle-click on the tab to close it. Personally I find the tabbed interface slicker and easier than in Opera or Mozilla. It also can groups of sites with on click. Any group can open on default and the last visited group will open all sites that were open when the browser was closed. It adds many shortcut keys like alt-enter to search Google. Best of all, it kills all popup windows and allows shutting off scripts, images, sounds, Java or whatever on a site-by-site basis.

Whats the difference between this and hitting the little arrow next to the "Back" icon and selecting the Google page?

Or in CrazyBrowser (and probably others), right clicking the tab and selecting "Tab Home"?

Of course you may. Very Interesting... Gives IE a lot of Mozilla features that IE alone didn't have.

Just uses the renderer, like Galeon and Phoenix do with the Gecko renderer of Mozilla.

But since I'm now running Mozilla, It should be much better than Mozilla for me to switch back (and it would need to run on Linux too). But it sure does look like a good secondary browser. for, for example mazdausa.com that responds "browser not supported" even though it would probably work just fine if the server thought it was one of the 'supported' ones (I had a 'user-agent'-switch once in Mozilla for that, but lost it after a apt-get dist-upgrade...).