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But, I agree with you 100%! Keep turning people on to it!

If you are using windows, and outlook, you can install SpamNet, made by Cloudmark.

I had to stop using Eudora, because I had so many filters (400+) to kill my spam that it took, literally, 5 minutes for my mail to appear in my inbox, which, needless to say was very frustrating and annoying.

Anyhow, I have been using Spamnet for about 7-8 months and, depending upon the time of day that I check my email it correctly blocked between 60% - 95% of my spam.

For example, since it is a peer based spam detection system, so the more users that vote that email from a particular sender is Spam, the more likely you will get it blocked. Eventually, it maps out and makes blacklists based on overall stats.

The point is, I took 2 days off for Xmas and when I checked my mail on the 27th, it filtered out about 295 of about 300 spam messages.

If Qualcomm were to offer a Linux port of Eudora, I'd be hard pressed to think of a reason not to switch to a Linux desktop. I've tried Evolution; it's too much like Outlook. Eudora isn't perfect (in particular, I need more sophisticated filtering abilities), but I've been using it for ten years, so only something spectacularly more powerful would make me switch. (I've only used two email programs in my life, the first was unix Berkeley mail, the second was Eudora.)

The only other application I use constantly is bbedit, but I suppose I could learn to love vim or emacs. Web browsing is already handled quite well by Mozilla and its derivatives.

I'm ready, even eager, to switch, as soon as the software is ready. Until then, MacOS X.

Provided you don't mind Sprint PCS (I don't).

You have to pay the cost of a service plan, but Sprint is offering such plans that include unlimited after-hours voice and unlimited data for $40 a month.

Yes, by default mail must be routed through their equipment. But likely for mass-market easy use. You're quite free to install your own software that can do anything you want.

You can install your own stuff onto the regular phones if you do a bit of hackery - but if you get a phone that is sufficiently advanced - a Palm (Handspring Treo) or PocketPC phone (Toshiba 2032), then you can load your own software easily. With the right software (eg Qualcom's Eudora) you can access whatever email you want - you can even SSH into remote computers from your phone (with Top Gun SSH).

Hell, Microsoft even has a *full* copy of Visual C++ for embedded devices (Pocket PC, Smartphone) available for download from their website - for free! Same is possible with Palm (although I've not done it). How's that for making your own wireless crap you to run on your phone!

This, comibined with some clever regex filters I already had means that I can reliably get the 10% of my mail that I actually want to read.

http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/2220hq.html

I've been using Eudora for years, including 5.1, and I can't recall any other times Eudora was accused of being spyware, so unless their response is false, it's not "full of spyware".

I do keep meaning to switch to a fully Linux-based client, but email seems to be one of the big issues for me. I have tried Evolution, KMail and at least 4 others but never quite find it as usable. I spend probably 50% of my work time answering email.

Of course, this whole thread is off-topic.

Eudora.

True, it helps, but dropping Outlook (Express) for any other mail program of your choice will have largely the same effect.

* climbs into asbestos suit

Were your parents retarded? Because you're special!

Perhaps you need to learn how to use that "one browser" to look for the many other browsers and mail clients available for Windows?

Shit, more than one browser? Surely you jest! I guess I'm imagining these copies of Netscape, Opera, and even Lynx?

Maybe you need to think before you go on your stupid little open source crusades next time?
The world isn't made of fairy floss and candy canes. Do you see Epson packaging third party ink cartridges with their printers, you know, just in case you don't want to give money to them?
Will Toyota ever tell you to buy some third party spare parts instead of genuine Toyota?
Apple telling you not to use AirPort on that expensive TiBook you just bought, but instead buy one of the numerous cheaper PCMCIA wireless cards?

You sir, are one of the many reasons open source can sicken me sometimes.

Netscape's had an integrated AIM client since 6.0, so it's not a "new" feature unless you've been using Mozilla or have been waiting for ICQ integration as well.

However, it is a bit interesting to put this side-by-side with Apple's iChat announcement for the next major OS X release. This, too, integrates an AIM-compatible client with a major piece of software -- in this case, the Aqua-fied OS itself.

So I'm wondering, where are we going to see it next? AOL's already pretty universal, but for those of us who prefer direct connections, we'll have two new ways to be exposed to it.

I'm starting to wonder if someone in AOL's camp is working on adding AIM to Eudora's or someone else's e-mail client, or even a Linux distro with the AOL/AIM clients integrated right into the dialup. Why play games with Microsoft's bat and balls, when you can help your customers overwrite it entirely? (Joking, mostly.)

A patch to fix all of Outlook Security problems can be downloaded here

• Eudora (www.eudora.com)
• Netscape/Mozilla/Opera E-Mail Clients
• Peagsus Mail (www.pmail.com)
• PM Mail 2000 (www.pmmail2000.com)

I find this sort of attitude strange - surely the easiest way of making yourself immune from these things is to not use Outlook? There are many other email clients out there - you don't NEED Outlook Express, nobody does.

install Windows (ouch)

run IEradicator (wonderful little IE remover available here), and make sure Outlook is gone too

install ZoneAlarm, and make sure not to give net access to any MS apps

run Opera and Eudora

enjoy! If evil bureaucrats force use of Exploder/Outlook, install them (after the forcible extraction in step 2) and use only when necessary, giving them one time access privileges only.

Pegasus Mail, here, and Eudora Sponsored (and possibly Light) version, here.

OK, I can appreciate the fact that Microsoft has engaged is some questionable business practices (although, it's arguable whether they're actually illegal or not).

But the Netscape browser was bug-ridden piece of crap. That's why they died.

Put it this way: Microsoft also gives away an e-mail client. But other people who make e-mail clients are whining -- they just make a better product.

Of course, it's always amusing watching free software advocates (who think software should be free/beer) whine about Microsoft giving away software for free.

True, but it is not only Microsoft doing this, Eudora (Pro or Adware) has a "Mood Watch" feature that is supposed to warn you should your email be deemed too "inflammatory" in nature. Luckily, you can turn the "feature" off.

My question is, how do these companies altering the language/screening your email/rating your TV shows (v-chip) know what is right for you?

I work for Sun in the Cobalt Server Appliances group. I personally run StarOffice on my RH7.1 laptop for doing presentations for customers, etc. It is not _mandatory_ for Sun employees to use StarOffice, but most do. It's the only suite that Sun's internal IT group supports. So people who choose M$ Office are on their own for support. Also, Netscape is Sun's "official" browser and email program. If you read your mail with Outlook, etc, you're on your own too...

All I want is an e-mail client with an 'encrypt' button. I press the button and it asks me for an encryption key. I enter a key that my correspondent and I have exchanged over the phone, in person, etc. The message is encrypted and sent.

I don't know why this ended up being so hard. Eudora with with the PGP plugin has an encrypt button just like that. Why NAI didn't make more deals like this is beyond me.

what's the most commonly used Win9x compatable pacakge I can grab?

Grab GnuPG.

If you want nice, easy, email integration, get Eudora and EudoraGPG.

You can send me a test message if you want. My public key is on my slashdot user page. Use the email address in the key.

feature set :: http://eudora.com/email/features/index.html

I used to use Eudora (a *very* nice and very capable email client) back when I was using Windows. The only downfall is that it is commercial software that you must pay for. I'd say if I were still using Windows, I would buy Eudora.

Since the release of version 5.0 -- it's now at version 5.1 -- Eudora has been "free" in same same sense that Opera is now "free": embedded banner ads.

To be fair, Eudora 5.x has three modes of operation: light, sponsored, and paid. Feel free to read up on them at your leisure... might as well do a little reading on its feature set as well.

I used to use Eudora (a *very* nice and very capable email client) back when I was using Windows. The only downfall is that it is commercial software that you must pay for. I'd say if I were still using Windows, I would buy Eudora.

Since the release of version 5.0 -- it's now at version 5.1 -- Eudora has been "free" in same same sense that Opera is now "free": embedded banner ads.

To be fair, Eudora 5.x has three modes of operation: light, sponsored, and paid. Feel free to read up on them at your leisure... might as well do a little reading on its feature set as well.

One word:

mutt

Trust me, I've used them all. I even used to be a program manager at Microsoft (where we had rather integrated groupware, and a *lot* of mail), and nothing else has come close to handling the volume of personal email, work email, mailing lists, etc., that mutt does.

If you haven't tried it, give it a shot. If you have given up on text based email readers because pine doesn't cut it, or GUI clients because eudora and outlook express don't do it for you, then you likely haven't taken the time to realize the potential of mutt.

No, what's really needed is a virus that sends an email to people in the user's personal address book that carries as its payload a letter explaining to all, just exactly why they shouldn't be using Outlook.

-- -- --

To whom it may concern,

You probably know the person who sent this email to you. This person has spread a malicious worm to your computer because they insist on using insecure Microsoft products.

Please take the time to call this person and suggest to them that they switch to another mail client. Here are some links you can point them to:

Pegasus Mail
Eudora Mail

By the way, I am attempting to spread this virus from your machine as you are reading this. If you have taken the appropriate precautions, good for you. If not, expect some phone calls.

Have a great day!

-- -- --

Or, use Eudora, which already has PGP/MIME support.
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What's good is the popular mail clients are finally starting to support it (I know the latest version Eudora supports it.)
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I've gone through this situation in several discussions for mid- and large-scale operations. Your answer will somewhat depend on how much money, time, and work you want to put into this system, with the usual tradeoff of ( more dollars ) = ( less ( time + effort ) ).

For a free solution, I've found that a sendmail-based solution works quite nicely on Solaris. We ran some internal mailservers with a combination of sendmail for smtp, qpopper for pop3, apache and php for web access, and ActiveState PerlMx for mail filtering. There are many passable imapd programs that would fulfill your IMAP requirement, among other things, cyrus imapd

Don't be fooled, though; this took some elbow grease, and a little tweaking with sendmail and qpopper (mostly for the remote-administration bit; you don't want all of your customers in /etc/passwd on your server!)

If you'd prefer to just lay down a little cash to get a working solution out the door, Openwave has a very reasonable email platform or two. It seems like it supports everything you're looking for, above.

Also, don't forget that Sendmail, Inc. creates some very sophisticated sendmail-based products; it looks like Advanced Message Server may have all of the solutions you're looking for.

Yes, I could do both on a Palm, but this is the _proper_ web (not clipped or synced)...

Of course the Palm does the proper web just fine. You can get the Eudora Suite for Palm, or you can just use Avantgo while on-line.

the model of 'free with ads' is, i think, best epitomized by Eudora, the email program i've used on every computer that i couldn't use elm or pine on (i.e. Macs)

Eudora, for as long as i can remember, has come in two flavors: a free, bare bones 'lite' version and a commercial, full featured 'pro' version. i think this is based on the original authors' licence to qualcomm requiring that the program be free, at least in some form

the lite version is usable, and even the older lite clients still beat any other free email client i've used with a big STiK.

the last couple of revisions have added a third layer to the lite/pro (free/paid) strategy, that being a 'sponsored' version. the sponsored version includes all the features of the Pro version, but is free. the 'sponsorship' comes in the form of a small floating ad pane that is as unintrusive as a 100x100 (or thereabouts) pixel floating window can be. and the best thing is that the different versions of the program are all in one binary.

for 40 bucks i can get a serial number to get rid of the window, or, since i'm a cheapskate, i can put up with the ads. or i can click one preference option and get rid of the ads, and 'downgrade' to the free/ad-free version of the program. most of the ads are for the commercial version of eudora anyway...

So was PalmOS.

For example, the email program I use on my MP 2100 uses the standard contact information for getting its email addresses, and is treated by the system as simply another way to get information in and out of the system.

Again, PalmOS does this too.

The NewtonOS has a full TCP/IP stack, with communications being done over Ethernet, or PPP. The email, browser, ftp, irc, telnet, ect.. clients all use the standard protocols, and you can download new packages directly off of the 'net.

Once again, I do this with my palm. TCP/IP and PPP are built into the OS. While the applications you mentioned are not bundled with PalmOS, there are a wealth of them available for free.

With my Palm, I snap on a modem, plug in a phone line, and connect PPP to earthlink. Then I can check/send email (Eudora), "surf" the web (EudoraWeb, AvantGo, others), get on IRC, use AIM, use Yahoo! Messenger, and can telnet. All these clients use their respective "standard protocol."

I'm not saying the Newton isn't a great machine. Just that you're choices aren't as limited as you think.

wishus
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So was PalmOS.

For example, the email program I use on my MP 2100 uses the standard contact information for getting its email addresses, and is treated by the system as simply another way to get information in and out of the system.

Again, PalmOS does this too.

The NewtonOS has a full TCP/IP stack, with communications being done over Ethernet, or PPP. The email, browser, ftp, irc, telnet, ect.. clients all use the standard protocols, and you can download new packages directly off of the 'net.

Once again, I do this with my palm. TCP/IP and PPP are built into the OS. While the applications you mentioned are not bundled with PalmOS, there are a wealth of them available for free.

With my Palm, I snap on a modem, plug in a phone line, and connect PPP to earthlink. Then I can check/send email (Eudora), "surf" the web (EudoraWeb, AvantGo, others), get on IRC, use AIM, use Yahoo! Messenger, and can telnet. All these clients use their respective "standard protocol."

I'm not saying the Newton isn't a great machine. Just that you're choices aren't as limited as you think.

wishus
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Alex Bischoff
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Eudora have a new browser with a moodwatch feature that uses an amusing chilli rating (three chillis for flaming hot :-)

It claims to spot potentially flame-worthy mails before they get sent... or arriving. It doesn't even need to have any rude words in.

Personally, I prefer screaming matches over the phone. At least they're instantaneous, and you can't mess up the tone of voice thing.

/prak

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We may be human, but we're still animals.

Eudora forever!

Eudora Sharing Protocol (ESP) is a true peer-to-peer file sharing technology that lets multiple Eudora users automatically share the same set of files and keep them in sync on their own hard drives. Share pictures and audio files with friends and family, lecture notes with a classmate, or business proposals with clients. <snip> No IT support or server is required. ESP manages files purely on a peer-to-peer basis, using Eudora email as a transport.

So what I want to know is: will the flame filter pick up your angry letters to Lars when he sues Eudora over ESP?

then use a good level of encryption. i don't think any company is exercising due dilligance if they aren't encrypting their email.

use gpg or pgp. use mailers like pine, mutt or eudora that support them.

then they should use encryption. use gpg or pgp. use mailers like pine, mutt or eudora that support them.

use gpg or pgp. use mailers like pine, mutt or eudora that support them.

Alex Bischoff
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Windows advocates would rightly point out that Mutt is to Outlook as a warehouse is to a furnished apartment. It's not as comfortable and pretty as an apartment

Well, is that how people judge a software product, by it's superficial appearence? I guess so... While aesthetics are important, I would give emphasis on performance, stability, etc. Like, I gave up using LookOut! due to it's inexplicable delays, and one day it was a cpu hog for some reason - SO switched to Eudora (Hey, pro is now Free!!!) and while a bit uglier enjoyed the added features of being able to 'filter' mail (You need Msft Exchange Server to do that in LookOut!) plus the $avings make it well worth the switch.

I wonder how much technical help she would get if she had to stare at amazon.com ads while reading her email?

Alternatively, is there any way to connect Eudora to an "e-mail proxy" to get the same functionality?

Alex Bischoff
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So, are there any plans to add a Eudora-like mode to KMail, or to create a Eudora-like mailer for KDE?

Alex Bischoff
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if someone is green to pgp than by far the easiest and most foolproof way to get them up and running is via pgp's native mail client plugins for outlook, outlook express, and eudora.

my suggestion is eudora light 3.0.6, at www.eudora.com. intutitive interface (remember netscape mail three ugly panes from hell? phooey.) and simple.

then stop by www.pgpi.com to pick up your preferred pgp version. 6.0.2 freeware works fine for people in the us. you'll want 6.0.2i (the international version) if you want backward compatibility, though. the great 'client selection wizard' will get most people through.

once you get these two programs up and running exchanging encrypted e-mails is a snap. just click 'encrypt/decrypt' (or sign, or whatever) right in eudora.

good luck. i've always believed that as more and more people use pgp, the 'digital worth' of each pgp-encrypted message increases. please help as many people as possible to download, use, and support pgp. it helps us all.

www.pgpi.com
www.pgp.net
wwwkeys.pgp.net