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The ipod has a 630 mAh battery. This is why there are reports that replacing the built-in battery with a third party battery, like at http://ipodbattery.com will result in greatly increased battery life - third party batteries are 20% better, or more, in the same space.

http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/consumer_ele ctronics/stats/ipod_3rdgen.html

also

http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/ipod/

This reminds me of the Newton MessagePad 2000/2100, from 1997. The Newton was 8.3"x4.7"x1.1" and weighed 22.4 ounces.... It was far bigger than the Palm handhelds available at the same time, but considerably more powerful (162MHz RISC processor, 8MB RAM, dual PCMCIA expansion slots--in fact, that's hardly slower than the Zaurus). It ran a proprietary Apple operating system.

It's the same kind of tradeoff here, I do believe; a little bigger for a little more power.

There used to be a G4 version of the Crescendo 7200 (info here ) but I'm not sure it's available anymore.

> And which were they? I've taken apart both flavours of iMac and they both have a fan in.

There were a lot more than two flavours of the iMac, the CRT iMacs alone had a dozen of revisions. The earlier versions had a fan, but I believe all versions between 350mhz and the LCD iMacs didn't. In any case, the 350mhz and the 500mhz were fanless.

Apple didn't 'play fair' in '84, if they had, the world might be running on Macintosh today. Jobs always tries to cut out any 3rd parties. The first thing he did when he returned as 'interim' CEO was to buy up all the really good 3rd party Macintosh computer makers like Power Computing and Motorola. The entire point of iTunes, the entire reason they are suffering the losses they are, is that every customer that purchases even one song from them must have either Apple licensed software or hardware to 'play fair' with the DRM.

Apple didn't 'play fair' in '84, if they had, the world might be running on Macintosh today. Jobs always tries to cut out any 3rd parties. The first thing he did when he returned as 'interim' CEO was to buy up all the really good 3rd party Macintosh computer makers like Power Computing and Motorola. The entire point of iTunes, the entire reason they are suffering the losses they are, is that every customer that purchases even one song from them must have either Apple licensed software or hardware to 'play fair' with the DRM.

I'm sorry, if you can't grip it in one hand easily and write on it, then it ends up being a three-hand affair, two to hold the tablet steady and one to draw/write/type. Personally, I think the Apple Newton was the perfect "Super-PDA/Tablet" form factor. Not something you want to carry in your shirt pocket, but something you carry around at work or as a PC replacement on the go. The Newton's screen was just under 6" (480x320), but one could conceivably fit a wide/tall screen of 8" diagonal, perhaps (768x512) in the same form factor. If I'm giving up the power of a laptop, I want to lose the bulk of the laptop also. My dream PDA is described in my journal entry. where I mention the SuperPDA concept.

It does sound a bit like the eMate, except for the description of being able to fold the keyboard around.

That's an eMate , not an eMac. I'm only a recent Mac nerd.

> #1, the older 12" ibooks have no L2 cache.

Nonsense. Every iBook ever produced has either 256kb or 512kb L2 cache, even the pre-500mhz models. See for example everymac or dig out the specs on the Apple site.

CPU frequency: 512-fold
RAM: 4096-fold
Removable storage: 1792-fold
VRAM: 3066-fold
Network speed: 4551-fold
Mouse buttons: 1-fold
Price: 1.015-fold

As it happens, while advising a friend on how much memory to buy in 2004, I had just looked at how Apple's nominal RAM stacks up against Moore's Law. Pretty much confirmed, if you ask me:

1976: $ 666, 8 kB ( Apple I)
1980: $1200, 32 kB (Apple II+)
1984: $2500, 128 kB (Macintosh)
1987: $2000, 512 kB (Macintosh 512k)
1990: $1500, 2 MB (Macintosh Classic)
1993: $1440, 8 MB (Macintosh Quadra)
1998: $1300, 32 MB (iMac G3)
2001: $1500, 128 MB (iBook G3)
2004: ?

CPU frequency: 512-fold
RAM: 4096-fold
Removable storage: 1792-fold
VRAM: 3066-fold
Network speed: 4551-fold
Mouse buttons: 1-fold
Price: 1.015-fold

As it happens, while advising a friend on how much memory to buy in 2004, I had just looked at how Apple's nominal RAM stacks up against Moore's Law. Pretty much confirmed, if you ask me:

1976: $ 666, 8 kB ( Apple I)
1980: $1200, 32 kB (Apple II+)
1984: $2500, 128 kB (Macintosh)
1987: $2000, 512 kB (Macintosh 512k)
1990: $1500, 2 MB (Macintosh Classic)
1993: $1440, 8 MB (Macintosh Quadra)
1998: $1300, 32 MB (iMac G3)
2001: $1500, 128 MB (iBook G3)
2004: ?

CPU frequency: 512-fold
RAM: 4096-fold
Removable storage: 1792-fold
VRAM: 3066-fold
Network speed: 4551-fold
Mouse buttons: 1-fold
Price: 1.015-fold

As it happens, while advising a friend on how much memory to buy in 2004, I had just looked at how Apple's nominal RAM stacks up against Moore's Law. Pretty much confirmed, if you ask me:

1976: $ 666, 8 kB ( Apple I)
1980: $1200, 32 kB (Apple II+)
1984: $2500, 128 kB (Macintosh)
1987: $2000, 512 kB (Macintosh 512k)
1990: $1500, 2 MB (Macintosh Classic)
1993: $1440, 8 MB (Macintosh Quadra)
1998: $1300, 32 MB (iMac G3)
2001: $1500, 128 MB (iBook G3)
2004: ?

CPU frequency: 512-fold
RAM: 4096-fold
Removable storage: 1792-fold
VRAM: 3066-fold
Network speed: 4551-fold
Mouse buttons: 1-fold
Price: 1.015-fold

As it happens, while advising a friend on how much memory to buy in 2004, I had just looked at how Apple's nominal RAM stacks up against Moore's Law. Pretty much confirmed, if you ask me:

1976: $ 666, 8 kB ( Apple I)
1980: $1200, 32 kB (Apple II+)
1984: $2500, 128 kB (Macintosh)
1987: $2000, 512 kB (Macintosh 512k)
1990: $1500, 2 MB (Macintosh Classic)
1993: $1440, 8 MB (Macintosh Quadra)
1998: $1300, 32 MB (iMac G3)
2001: $1500, 128 MB (iBook G3)
2004: ?

CPU frequency: 512-fold
RAM: 4096-fold
Removable storage: 1792-fold
VRAM: 3066-fold
Network speed: 4551-fold
Mouse buttons: 1-fold
Price: 1.015-fold

As it happens, while advising a friend on how much memory to buy in 2004, I had just looked at how Apple's nominal RAM stacks up against Moore's Law. Pretty much confirmed, if you ask me:

1976: $ 666, 8 kB ( Apple I)
1980: $1200, 32 kB (Apple II+)
1984: $2500, 128 kB (Macintosh)
1987: $2000, 512 kB (Macintosh 512k)
1990: $1500, 2 MB (Macintosh Classic)
1993: $1440, 8 MB (Macintosh Quadra)
1998: $1300, 32 MB (iMac G3)
2001: $1500, 128 MB (iBook G3)
2004: ?

CPU frequency: 512-fold
RAM: 4096-fold
Removable storage: 1792-fold
VRAM: 3066-fold
Network speed: 4551-fold
Mouse buttons: 1-fold
Price: 1.015-fold

As it happens, while advising a friend on how much memory to buy in 2004, I had just looked at how Apple's nominal RAM stacks up against Moore's Law. Pretty much confirmed, if you ask me:

1976: $ 666, 8 kB ( Apple I)
1980: $1200, 32 kB (Apple II+)
1984: $2500, 128 kB (Macintosh)
1987: $2000, 512 kB (Macintosh 512k)
1990: $1500, 2 MB (Macintosh Classic)
1993: $1440, 8 MB (Macintosh Quadra)
1998: $1300, 32 MB (iMac G3)
2001: $1500, 128 MB (iBook G3)
2004: ?

http://everymac.com/ has some good Macintosh information, specs, and history.

Rubbish, the last of the G3 CRT iMacs went to 700MHz

The specs are at

The newton was quite a bit bigger.
See here:

8.3 x 4.7 x 1.1 inches - 1.4 pounds

Ewwww... I don't think I want to see what a 100 year old Apple looks like.

Ewwww... I don't think I want to see what a 100 year old Apple looks like.

Been there, done that. It wasn't pretty. I got suckered too. er, I mean "I was an early adopter".

How many Newton owners does it take to change a lightbulb?
Thee to eat lemons, axe gravy soup.

Been there, done that. It wasn't pretty. I got suckered too. er, I mean "I was an early adopter".

How many Newton owners does it take to change a lightbulb?
Thee to eat lemons, axe gravy soup.

clamshell ibooks are 800x600 on a 12.1" screen

The Quadra had a 68040, too! Nope, the quadra had a 68LC040 and was an all around dog.

They're not perfect:

• First to adopt built-in DVD-RAM (G4 PowerMac/500).
• Same with integrated Zip drives.
• They had to fail with the cube before they could succeed with the flat-panel iMacs.
• How about their ignominious G3 on laptop debut?
• the verdict is still out on their predeliction for slot-loaded drives (though personally, I find it a nice addition).
• and there is this precursor to the iMac.
• they were slow on the uptake of USB 2.0
• I don't think ADC will replace DVI anytime soon.

Those hardware-only examples above are all post-Jobs. You're generally right: in fact, you missed the "all-in-one" design, inclusion of USB in the iMac, easy-open cases, the translucent plastics "fad", and the first to use WiFi. Recent smart decisions may include Serial ATA, DVI outs, PCI-X, Bluetooth, IEEE1394b, and 802.11g. These decisions and others are why the market rewards Mac users with a high resale value on eBay.

They're not perfect:

• First to adopt built-in DVD-RAM (G4 PowerMac/500).
• Same with integrated Zip drives.
• They had to fail with the cube before they could succeed with the flat-panel iMacs.
• How about their ignominious G3 on laptop debut?
• the verdict is still out on their predeliction for slot-loaded drives (though personally, I find it a nice addition).
• and there is this precursor to the iMac.
• they were slow on the uptake of USB 2.0
• I don't think ADC will replace DVI anytime soon.

Those hardware-only examples above are all post-Jobs. You're generally right: in fact, you missed the "all-in-one" design, inclusion of USB in the iMac, easy-open cases, the translucent plastics "fad", and the first to use WiFi. Recent smart decisions may include Serial ATA, DVI outs, PCI-X, Bluetooth, IEEE1394b, and 802.11g. These decisions and others are why the market rewards Mac users with a high resale value on eBay.

They're not perfect:

• First to adopt built-in DVD-RAM (G4 PowerMac/500).
• Same with integrated Zip drives.
• They had to fail with the cube before they could succeed with the flat-panel iMacs.
• How about their ignominious G3 on laptop debut?
• the verdict is still out on their predeliction for slot-loaded drives (though personally, I find it a nice addition).
• and there is this precursor to the iMac.
• they were slow on the uptake of USB 2.0
• I don't think ADC will replace DVI anytime soon.

Those hardware-only examples above are all post-Jobs. You're generally right: in fact, you missed the "all-in-one" design, inclusion of USB in the iMac, easy-open cases, the translucent plastics "fad", and the first to use WiFi. Recent smart decisions may include Serial ATA, DVI outs, PCI-X, Bluetooth, IEEE1394b, and 802.11g. These decisions and others are why the market rewards Mac users with a high resale value on eBay.

They're not perfect:

• First to adopt built-in DVD-RAM (G4 PowerMac/500).
• Same with integrated Zip drives.
• They had to fail with the cube before they could succeed with the flat-panel iMacs.
• How about their ignominious G3 on laptop debut?
• the verdict is still out on their predeliction for slot-loaded drives (though personally, I find it a nice addition).
• and there is this precursor to the iMac.
• they were slow on the uptake of USB 2.0
• I don't think ADC will replace DVI anytime soon.

Those hardware-only examples above are all post-Jobs. You're generally right: in fact, you missed the "all-in-one" design, inclusion of USB in the iMac, easy-open cases, the translucent plastics "fad", and the first to use WiFi. Recent smart decisions may include Serial ATA, DVI outs, PCI-X, Bluetooth, IEEE1394b, and 802.11g. These decisions and others are why the market rewards Mac users with a high resale value on eBay.

They're not perfect:

• First to adopt built-in DVD-RAM (G4 PowerMac/500).
• Same with integrated Zip drives.
• They had to fail with the cube before they could succeed with the flat-panel iMacs.
• How about their ignominious G3 on laptop debut?
• the verdict is still out on their predeliction for slot-loaded drives (though personally, I find it a nice addition).
• and there is this precursor to the iMac.
• they were slow on the uptake of USB 2.0
• I don't think ADC will replace DVI anytime soon.

Those hardware-only examples above are all post-Jobs. You're generally right: in fact, you missed the "all-in-one" design, inclusion of USB in the iMac, easy-open cases, the translucent plastics "fad", and the first to use WiFi. Recent smart decisions may include Serial ATA, DVI outs, PCI-X, Bluetooth, IEEE1394b, and 802.11g. These decisions and others are why the market rewards Mac users with a high resale value on eBay.

This product concept reminds me a great deal of Apple's Duo product line
info here that was sold in the early 90s. The idea was to make a tiny computer for use in a portable role, that could be easily stuck into a device that would make it perform like a desktop. The sales were abyssmal since it could do neither role particuliarly well. My bet is that this concept, as nifty and geek pornish as it is, will go the way of the Duo.

The first Quadra was the Quadra 700. It shipped with either an 80 or 160 MB SCSI hard drive. All Quadras shipped with hard drives. The only ones that approached $10k were the Quadra 900/950.

The first Macs (beige toasters) shipped with no hard drives. It wasn't until 1987 that Apple offered the SE with either two 800k floppy drives or 1 800k and 1 20 MB internal hard drive. Still not $10k.

The IIfx topped out close to $11k in price but it came with an internal HD between 40 and 160 MB.

When you say no video, do you mean no video output at all or just no A/V IO? Maybe you mean a Lisa or Macintosh XL? The Lisa was the precurssor to the Macintosh and the XL was basicly a Lisa with Macintosh OS emulation software pre-installed.

The first Quadra was the Quadra 700. It shipped with either an 80 or 160 MB SCSI hard drive. All Quadras shipped with hard drives. The only ones that approached $10k were the Quadra 900/950.

The first Macs (beige toasters) shipped with no hard drives. It wasn't until 1987 that Apple offered the SE with either two 800k floppy drives or 1 800k and 1 20 MB internal hard drive. Still not $10k.

The IIfx topped out close to $11k in price but it came with an internal HD between 40 and 160 MB.

When you say no video, do you mean no video output at all or just no A/V IO? Maybe you mean a Lisa or Macintosh XL? The Lisa was the precurssor to the Macintosh and the XL was basicly a Lisa with Macintosh OS emulation software pre-installed.

My poor little 350MHz Sawtooth G4 plays it just fine using MPlayer OSX -- either the DiVX Windoze player sucks or peecees really are that slow.

There are three main parts to a computer system; input, display, and processor box. While laptops are great for putting all three pieces in a small package, it's not the best layout for comfortable computing. I like IBM's detachable, wireless keyboard. Makes sense, especially if they use the width of 17" computers for a full size keyboard.

As for the screen contorting itself between laptop and desktop orientations, I'd prefer a detachable screen that could be set on a stand at the right height and attached to the laptop for mobile computing. Or a processor box that is dockable. You'd arrive at work or home and click your processor box onto your dock with it's desktop screen(s). When you want to go mobile, you'd have a portable screen that would click onto the processor box.

Finally, you could leave the laptop as it is and create a dock that it could slide into, converting it into a desktop machine. This would finally work as laptop computers are fast enough for 90% of the users out there (how fast can you type into a word processor or an email program?).

6100

8100

the 6100 was piltdown man, and the 8100 was cold fusion.

the 7100 was also LAW, or lawyers are wimps.

6100

8100

the 6100 was piltdown man, and the 8100 was cold fusion.

the 7100 was also LAW, or lawyers are wimps.

I know some people have already posted about using some sort of fantasy RPG name creator, but really - that's too linear.

What you need is a bit of randomness...

For me, the best automated fantasy/RPG name generator is my old Apple Newton Messagepad 100.

That model has such atrocious handwriting recognition that almost anything you attempt to write on it comes back as something totally unintended. It's great for coming up with names by writing someone's real name in cursive and seeing what the Newton thinks you wrote. They get even more surreal if you reset it's handwriting 'training'.

These properties make it great for pass phrase generation as well.

I've poked at Apple's DVD compatibility page, but that seems oriented towards players that will accept discs made by the drive Apple is putting on their new computers; I can't find an authoritative source on what drives will work well with older Macs, but have heard horror stories about drives not working in hardware similar to my Mac.

Has anyone upgraded their "vintage" Mac to DVD+/-R/RW/whatever? How did it go? What problems did you find? Where were the good deals on workable drives? I've seen generic rebranded Pioneer drives as low as $180 (Apple's superdrive also seems to be a rebranded Pioneer, so this is encouraging), but I'm not opposed to paying a little more for reliable compatibility if the no-name ones could be problematic.

Thanks :-)

Mac OS X Version 10.2 requires a Power Mac G3, G4, G4 Cube; iMac; PowerBook G3, G4; iBook; or eMac computer; at least 128MB of physical RAM and a built-in display or a display connected to an Apple-supplied video card. Mac OS X does not support the original PowerBook G3 or processor upgrade cards. Verify your hardware is supported from the list below

covered in sockets full of 74xx logic chips

Sweet! Like the 7400 chip I have in my Powerbook?

Wait, no, I guess not. Drat. I was really hoping for some cheap G4's! ;)

A friend's son did a couple of science experiments with fruit flies, strapping their container to the side of a PowerMac 5200, and the rate of birth defects was huge, probably due to the EMF, noise or vibration.

He repeated his experiment to negate the difference in heat and had nearly identical results.

Crap like that always makes me a little nervous.

The iPod uses an ARM processor.

iPod stats @ everymac.com

iBooks will likely be moving to an IBM-produced G3 early next year, with an Altivec-enhanced G3 available from IBM (not Motorola) late next year.

IBM+G3 info @ The Register

Check out everymac.com's iMac specs. The G3 iMacs (AKA "slot-loading") running at 350 MHz and faster had no fans. The only sounds they ever make are from the hard drive and the optical drive. And they started at $800 for a complete system (including monitor). I love my nearly-silent iMac...

Check out everymac.com's iMac specs. The G3 iMacs (AKA "slot-loading") running at 350 MHz and faster had no fans. The only sounds they ever make are from the hard drive and the optical drive. And they started at $800 for a complete system (including monitor). I love my nearly-silent iMac...

All 8600-class machines had 2 SCSI buses: a 5MB/sec external bus and a 10MB/sec internal bus. The same holds true for the 7x00-class machines, and I think the 9x00s too.

Also, notice that the OP said that his PPro 200 was faster. That's *also* 8 years old or whatever. It's not like he's comparing the 8600 to an Athlon XP w/ SATA.

Even though you were completely wrong about everything you said, we appreciate the effort. Thanks for playin.

Love,
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I don't know if they still make them, but for the longest time you could buy such a card. Orange Micro used to make such a line of card, known as OrangePC. They wern't terribly popular. I know for a while you could buy PowerMacs with PC cards preinstalled, usually leading to a 'PC' after the model number, such as the 7300/180 PC that has a 166Mhz Pentium in addition to it's 180Mhz PowerPC chip.

I have no idea if anyone makes products like this for modern Macs.

The Apple Newton is, in my opinion, a great example of technology living beyond its expected lifetime and abilities:

There's a very strong and active user community, plenty of help, and gobs of software. An incredibile amount of work has been poured into the device with addons like wireless networking, CompactFlash ATA support, Shoutcast and MP3 playing, web serving, and desktop synching. All this adds to the Newton's built in PIM, notetaking, and email support.

I use my Newton for a telnet client, guitar tuner, notepad/to-do lister, and MP3 player.

The first usable Newton was put out in 1996 and the most powerful and expandable Newton was released middle of 97. The thing's lived a long life and looks like its gonna keep on chugging for a long time more, expecially since they can be found for just over $100 on eBay and the continued support of the Newton community. I know I won't ever ditch it.

I've recently been doing some video editing, I went back to my 1.8Ghz P4 Win2K system (even *that's* too slow, really, it would be inconceivable to do mpeg transcoding on the Mac!) Apple: Ghz do matter. Much as I want to go Apple, first one to 4Ghz wins my next machine.

1. The early 733-G4's were actually better than the later 733-G4'sbecause they included L3 cache.
2. The 733 most likely came with OSX 10.1 on it instead of the much speedier OSX 10.2. The primary difference being the graphics subsystem was fully engaged in 10.2 due to a low-level tie-in to the video-card for Quartz rendering.
3. OSX is still young, and even the past couple of months have seen numerous major updates to the encoders: Quictime 6.1->6.2, iDVD2->3, iMovie2->3, etc.

Long before this was the NuTek Duet, which attempted to run Mac software and hardware on some weird reverse-engineered Motif-based system. It had a 486/66 in the same case and you could change between the two with a large front panel switch.