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Re:Ukraine?
Germany, on the other hand, was a small, massively industrial country between the size of the 4th and 5th largest US states (Montana and New Mexico) and smaller than Severo-Kavkazsky federalny okrug, the second smallest of the nine federal districts of Russia.
According to this the population of Montana in 1936 was about 554k. According to this Germany had a population of 65M and the US had a population of 122M. Germany was 117 times as big as Montana. Your numbers are a bit off. Russia had a population of 131M. If you are talking land area then you are looking at the wrong numbers. Land area is meaningless when calculating ability to wage war. By that logic Mongolia should be quite powerful but it is not. Population is the most important factor. Then there is the recent memory of WW1 and had a desire to avoid another war with Germany at all costs. No WW1 Allied Power in Europe wanted to lose another generation of young men so soon. Hitler gambled on the US not getting involved and he was almost right.
Putin may be trying to follow Hitler's path but the west isn't. You need to take the whole time frame into context not just isolated actions.
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It's jsut step 11,
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
https://www.google.ca/search?q...
The rest of the steps are in place so the shit is gonna hit the fan soon.
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26% seems a bit high
Considering all the different spammers out there, it's hard to imagine any single entity getting 26% of all complaints. Somebody must have been really out to get them, or there must not have been that many complaints submitted. From the quick glance I did, I couldn't determine how many complaints they got, or how many emails this company sent out. They probably would have not gotten such a big fine if their unsubscribe links worked.
I'm from Canada, and as much as I don't like spam, I think that this goes a bit too far. Spam filters are so good now that I rarely see spam in my inbox, and anything that isn't caught can easily be blocked by a filter. This may stop a few companies within the country from sending out emails, but the vast majority of spam comes from outside the country, and this law can't protect against that. It really makes it difficult for small companies to verify that they comply with the regulations. When even companies like Microsoft stop sending out important emails, because there's no way to verity that they have consent for the emails they are sending out, then there's not much the small companies can do to cover themselves if somebody was to complain. -
Re:Like everything else M$...
Complexity
So simple elegant things can't be art? How complex does it need to be before it counts? Is more complexity always better or is there a diminishing return?
refinement
Let's see...refinement, noun: "cultured elegance in behavior or manner.". Hmmm....elegance, noun: "the quality of being pleasingly ingenious and simple ". So art must embody complexity and ingenious simplicity. Gotcha. Can't see any issues so far.
impact
Impact on who? How is impact measured? Sounds to me like impact is a function of entirely subjective reactions of the audience.
staying power
So something that is obscure and thus quickly forgotten about can't be art because it has no staying power?
The only reason Bieber is more popular is because most people are uncultured mooks and you appear to be one of them.
Perhaps. Or perhaps I just understand the difference between a subjective opinion and an objective fact and I'm not arrogant enough to assume that my opinions are somehow more worthy than anyone else's. But no, I'm sure you're right. It's probably the mook thing.
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Re:Like everything else M$...
Complexity
So simple elegant things can't be art? How complex does it need to be before it counts? Is more complexity always better or is there a diminishing return?
refinement
Let's see...refinement, noun: "cultured elegance in behavior or manner.". Hmmm....elegance, noun: "the quality of being pleasingly ingenious and simple ". So art must embody complexity and ingenious simplicity. Gotcha. Can't see any issues so far.
impact
Impact on who? How is impact measured? Sounds to me like impact is a function of entirely subjective reactions of the audience.
staying power
So something that is obscure and thus quickly forgotten about can't be art because it has no staying power?
The only reason Bieber is more popular is because most people are uncultured mooks and you appear to be one of them.
Perhaps. Or perhaps I just understand the difference between a subjective opinion and an objective fact and I'm not arrogant enough to assume that my opinions are somehow more worthy than anyone else's. But no, I'm sure you're right. It's probably the mook thing.
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IDE/SATA-to-USB converter
Yep.. once again, IDE-to-USB adapter: https://www.google.ca/?#q=ide+... Just check the images on Google to see if there is a connector that matches the connector on the back of the hard drive. I remember that in some older laptops they have used the plug-in converters which may look like a part of the disk, but you can actually pull them off to get to the actual IDE connector. BTW: Order the universal(IDE/SATA)-to-USB converter so you can use it for other purposes in the future. Good luck!
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Re:Black Mirror
I'm going to go ahead and guess you're American? Your culture seems to have this weird blind spot where the rest of the world is concerned.
You know that the populations of the USA, Israel and most, if not all, other countries with modern social systems are reproducing at below replacement levels, right?
Your personal prejudices are causing you to focus on a few niche groups. Grow up.
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This Makes a Good Read
An Independent Assessment Of The Technical Feasibility Of The Mars One Mission Plan
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Re:Given a healthy input of science fiction...
Sorry but sterile means "incapable of producing offspring". It has nothing to do with whether or not the offspring reach maturity. If you have a reference that supports your definition I would love to see it.
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Re: just put a motor on the elevator itself
If sliding contacts are such an issue then how do electric trains overcome it?
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Re:Equally tiny UPS?
this links might work better in some places:
http://www.mini-box.com.au/sea...IMHO: All computer power supplies should offer a battery connection. Google does it for their custom in-house servers.
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Re:Communism requires strict govt control by defin
You must have checked out a few definitions before finding that one. From Google,
communism
kämynizm/
noun
noun: communism; noun: Communism; plural noun: Communismsa political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.
From dictionary.reference.com
communism definition. An economic and social system envisioned by the nineteenth-century German scholar Karl Marx. In theory, under communism, all means of production are owned in common, rather than by individuals (see Marxism and Marxism-Leninism).
From thefreedictionary.com
A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.
Then we get your definition and after we get from wikipedia,
Communism (from Latin communis – common, universal) is a socioeconomic system structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and characterized by the absence of social classes, money, and the state; as well as a social, political and economic ideology and movement that aims to establish this social
...Then from www.businessdictionary.com
Communism (from Latin communis – common, universal) is a socioeconomic system structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and characterized by the absence of social classes, money, and the state; as well as a social, political and economic ideology and movement that aims to establish this social
...These were all displayed by Google when searching for "define communism" and I'm too lazy to add all the proper URLs Note that a couple of these definitions include "no state"
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Re:Stick a fork in, Uber is done.
Anything worse then someone using "butthurt" in 2015?
2008 called, it wants its meme back.
Looks like it reached its peak in 2013 http://www.google.ca/trends/ex...
Then again, since fashion is cyclical and there is an uptick in 2015 maybe it is coming back?
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Re:Considering how few boys graduate at ALL
Read through the top then on this live list: magical Women outnumber men article list The list is constantly updated.
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LMGTFY
That is a myth.
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Re:Failed state policies
You must be American.
I'm Canadian. I have traveled to Cuba for vacation a couple of times.
It is (or was) an absolutely beautiful place. Pity that will end with the arrival of Americans.
Last time we were there we stayed in a 5 star resort. (Cuba's 5 star is not the same as a North American's 5 star.)
My son cut his foot on a broken tile in the pool. The pool attendant patched it up best he could, with what he had.
I went to the 'International Clinic' down the road for bandages. It was close enough for me to walk to.
Keep in mind, this 'facility' is targeted towards foreigners/tourists, and is kinda a combination of emergency room/hospital/pharmacy.
The 'Pharmacy' is about the size of my bathroom at home, and less well stocked. What limited item selection they had, they only had 1 or 2 of each item. They had surgical tape for sale, but did not have any gauze. It was not what I would call a 'clean' facility. I had to speak to the doctor on call to explain the injury, and ask for gauze. While speaking to him, we ended up in an examination room. It had a plain steel table, an open window with no screen. He went and found the gauze, and took it from the hospital's supplies. It came wrapped in a brown paper wrapper, folded over (reminded me of industrial paper towel).
Many of the lights in the hallways/rooms were not functioning.
The tape was the equivalent of 3 or 4 dollars for the roll. The gauze was 'free'.
Keep in mind, the a local cuban worker only makes between $18 and $22 per month. The maid cleaning my room made more than that just from tips. Currently, they have more incentive to be a maid or bartender, than a Dr, Engineer, etc. It will cause some upheavel when this changes - people who have been making (relatively) good money being maids and the like no longer will be, and 'skilled' people such as trades, Doctors, engineers, etc will make huge gains.
Things you take for granted, like baby Tylenol is just not available. What is available is completely unaffordable for them. Imagine having a headache, but a bottle of aspirin costs 1/3 of your monthly income.
Every time I go, I bring along over the counter medicine and other supplies and give it away.
People are not starving in the streets, because they will be jailed.
The only way people survive without starving is by participating in the black market, and prostitution.
Our tour guide admitted to buying food from the black market for his family to keep from starving.
The police have road side checks - they are not checking for impaired driving, or seatbelts - they are checking cars for people with 'illegal' food (ie - maybe a Cuban went fishing, and caught a fish).
So - yes they have survived 55 years of near trade embargo, but they have not thrived. People are hungry, and the poverty is crushing.
But - the attitude is changing. Last year we had a conversation with out guide that would have not happened the on our 1st visit.
I believe that the American embargo has certainly contributed to this, but is not fully responsible. The embargo seems more than a little hypocritical seeing as the USA has trade relations with North Korea, but has an embargo with Cuba.
Catpcha: intruder
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Re: There is no vaccine for the worst diseases
Why do I get flu symptoms whenever I get the flu shot?
Because the flu shot contains antigens from the influenza virus which can trigger a reaction in your immune system similar to that of contracting the actual virus.
Why does the CDC claim that vaccines do not prevent the illness?
Because no vaccine is 100% effective and they don't want to get sued by litigious idiots that don't understand math.
Why should I allow a foreign object to penetrante my body without my consent?
For the same reason you're not allowed to drive your car on a public street as fast as you feel like: because it makes you a danger to those around you.
Are the ingredients in these vaccines safe?
Yes.
Why are there no longterm studies in the effects of vaccines, if there are what are these effects on humans?
Where is all the money going from vaccine revenues?
Where do the revenues from anything go? To the people that manufacture and sell the stuff. Just because the company that makes seat belts turns a profit doesn't necessarily make seat belts a scam.
Anything else you'd like to know?
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Re:Have the Germans threaten to invade
It might be a little bit of both. I have found a couple of references that state that before Belgium declared neutrality in 1936 that France did not want to cut them off. After 1936 they had little time to complete the fortifications.
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Re:"Industrial design student"
Quick back-of-the-napkin math.
Assuming 100% of your output goes to powering the thermoelectric cooler at 680 watt-hours per liter.
You generate 100 watt hours of power from 360 Cal and for every Cal you need to consume 1ml of water (or more) - then to make 1 liter of water, you need to use up 1.76 liters of water.
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Canada Tranquille BC
There's an old abbandoned sanitarium town near Kamloops BC https://www.google.ca/search?q...
It was on the tv show called After People
Its pretty awesome when you drive by it and quite a creepy feeling.
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Re:What?
While surely you can refuse the polygraph the prosecutor can use your "refusal" as an argument to a jury that you are guilty.
No, just like the judge will instruct the jury that your refusal to testify on your own behalf is not to be considered in the juror's evaluation of whether someone is guilty or not. If a prosecutor tries to argue that, they're going to get their knuckles rapped in front of the jury, not exactly helping their case, and possibly causing a mistrial.
And then there's this. The judge in question confirms that he was the judge in the "Photocopier Lie Detector", which snopes.com dismisses because they asked the wrong police department whether it had happened or not. It took place in Warminster Township, Bucks County, which would account for the Radnor police chief's denial.
More here, including the confusion of jurisdictions that led most to conclude it was an urban legend.
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Bug fix announcement please
All very nice to hear about shiny new features, but I would be even happier to hear Mozilla foundatation announce that they plan to fix the longstanding bug where 200 open tabs causes firefox to crash every two days or so.
Oh, also announce that the bug where keystrokes go to the wrong window will be fixed. Thxbai.
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Re:Boys are naturally curious...
Yeah...except I can find no shortage of peer reviewed studies proving that physiological differences, as well as psychological differences naturally make women less inclined in going into a STEM field. The same reason why there's no shortage of studies showing that even women who have a high math aptitude will go towards fields which are more verbally centered compared to men. Google and all that really do make it easy.
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Re:Theory vs reality?
"By virtually every measure - per capita living space, number of bathrooms, number of cars, air conditioning, heating, gasoline cost, number of tvs, indoor plumbing, hot water, disposable income, cost of food"
The gasoline cost in the Europe is because of taxes, same for the VAT on cars. But in most places, public transport is so good that most don't really need to drive, let alone own more than 1 car. US building standards, while getting better, have been shite for a long time and leaky buildings cost a lot to heat or cool.
All those gas guzzlers that Americans have enjoyed driving since forever hasn't helped. And it's put a lot of money in the hands of people who'd just as soon see it wiped off the map."This is especially true for the poor with people whom the U.S. government defines as below the poverty line enjoying a standard of living that is comparable to a middle class standard of living in Europe"
For any one of the advanced Euro nations, it's nearly the opposite. Also there are a lot of EMPLOYED Americans who are deathly afraid of asking for a vacation whereas any working European can happily take 3-5 weeks off. A couple places even pay your MORE during your vacation to help defray vacation-related expenses
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ta...
http://www.cepr.net/documents/...And don't even try to bring up parental leave & childcare.
"America is about the cleanest producer in the world, much cleaner than Europe. The key measure is emission per unit of industrial production, not the total emissions"
""the U.S. has only 4% of the world's population, but it produces 25% of greenhouse gases". What the educators leave out is that the U.S. produces 35% of the world's GNP so actually the U.S. is a very clean producer"Have a look at this graph
In terms of CO2 emissions per purchasing power parity of GDP, it's well behind France, Spain, Switzerland, Austria, Germany......
If you don't like that graph, you can try sorting this table".....but the U.S. is still virtuous in its production and the way it guards the environment. The U.S. has nothing to be ashamed of on that front"
Only because a lot of people put their asses on the line to change the way things used to be - and still are.
There are still many oil spills and much coal sludge contamination to this day. Not to mention the fuckton of elected officials, mostly in "business-friendly" states who would change all that in a heartbeat and continually work to undermine the virtuous stewardship of the environment.I'm pleased to have given you the chance to rant & rag about NY & CA but the truth is both have been very good at keeping down the per-capita energy use for several decades.
As to your point about the USA raising it's standard of living, so has everyone else - but no other advanced country in the G20 has done so by making workers find an extra 160 hours per year ( effectively adding a 13th month of full-time work ) since the 70s. In some, they work fewer hours than they did 40 yrs ago.And number of TVs?? Really? Why not add cellphones to the list? Except there are lots of other places where the phones & service are better & cheaper, right?
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Re:not a problem
"WIth the way that European country economies are shrinking, we'll get to 40% carbon reduction with no trouble at all."
Go to the link below, scroll down until you find the table "EU Member States GDP growth rates" and scrutinize it carefully.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E...Greece is in serious trouble, Italy & Portugal have a lot of work & belt-tightening still to do and some other countries need to get their act together better.
But that's about it.Go to the Google Public Data Explorer link below to see GDP rates since 1965
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Re:HL7 & MUMPS
Here is a great mumps tutorial for those of you that aren't familiar & for those of you who only know "modern" languages, it's a timely Halloween horror show...
The Daily WTF features a few MUMPs, uh... code. A shorthand overview and a collection of MUMPS articles. If it wasn't so specialized and used in so few areas, they'd probably have to institute a "no MUMPS stories" policy to avoid being flooded.
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Re:The film sucked; the miniseries before it was g
Each mediam was made with the author who was well aware that they are different mediums, so the stories were adapted to each medium.
Bah! You are all wrong! For the REAL die-hard fan, get a hold of the radio scripts. They add a lot of commentary on how different things came about, how he was busy scribbling details right until air time, how he grabbed the janitor at the last second to play a part he just added in. The commentary is almost as funny as the script itself.
It describes how, at the end of one episode, he threw our heros out of a space lock and had the floating in open space with seconds to live.
He then goes on the discuss how he struggled for that next week trying to decide how to free them. Anything he came up with seemed to highly improbable.
So... he came up with the Improbability Drive (tm Sirius Cybernetics).
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Re:Underwater? Yes. Robot? NO
The definition from Wikipedia also says it usually looks like a human or animal, so those things and my toaster wouldn't count (though Wikipedia also include nanobots).
Since they use the word "usually" it implies that sometimes robots do not look like humans or animal so toasters, etc do count.
As I said, it's a broad term that's not well defined
... by Wikipedia. FTFY There are many other definitions that are much less broad.
a device that automatically performs complicated often repetitive tasks
a mechanism guided by automatic controlsThat device can not do repetitive tasks and has no controls (automatic or otherwise). It is a projectile not a robot.
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Re:Underwater? Yes. Robot? NO
Google defines it as "a machine capable of carrying out a complex series of actions automatically, especially one programmable by a computer.". Those big welding robots in in factories hardly resemble any human or animal I'm aware of, but we call them robots. If you're really loose on the definition of "complex series of actions" then something as simple as a toaster or coffee maker with a computerized timer could be a robot.
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Re:Mixed units
Stupid Slashdot can't even display UTF8 correctly. That was supposed to read "16um".
Thanks for nothing, "nerds" website. We're in 2014, get with the damn program instead of fucking about with your stupid beta layout.
/. displays Unicode just fine. And it has for over a decade.The problem was back then people were abusing that functionality to screw with everything. If you google "site:slashdot.org erocS" that gives hints of what people were doing. If you don't get what that string is, try "5:erocS".
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Re:Science creates understanding of a real world.
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Re:Science creates understanding of a real world.
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Re:A Priority
There's a serious ethical problem with allocating scarce healthcare resources, particularly those in theatre to ideas that have no evidence of being worth trying.
It has been done during the 1995 Kikwit Ebola outbreak in Zaire. They tried it on eight patients and only one died. I have found no indication that any health care workers were infected. Notice the transfusions were done in Zaire. Also notice the ebola funding has increased quite rapidly.
As to numbers, There have only been 4,000 cases so far. Maybe a few hundred could be treated with transfusions and have their lives saved. Why deny them that? This is not an immunization treatment and therefore will only be used on already sick people. Restricting the practice to medical facilities that can handle the procedure will restrict if not eliminate infections of health care workers. Fewer people will be treated but it will be much safer.
If you save one patient with a blood transfusion but kill 2 others who accidentally get infected you're not really doing a good thing.
It you treat a few hundred people under restricted conditions and they live then it is a good thing.
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Re:Which Invasion?
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Re:Which Invasion?
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Re:Which Invasion?
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Re:Rules of war
I guess you dont know how to do a google search. Russia has not gone all out but they are there.
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Re:Just wait until they become hackable
It is a legitimate concern not brought up in the most tactful way. Anybody in their 20s should push for this because they will have one in 30 years or so. It might even be a job requirement ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?... ) (yup, it still gets hacked in the series)
Just look at what they can do with a CAN-bus in cars today:
https://www.google.ca/search?q...Now imagine people instead of car. Yup, that's coming. Nothing's off limits.
If it's doable, some asshole will go for it.
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The AMD-deoptimizing Intel compiler?
Ah yes, the Intel compiler. Wasn't that also known as the compiler that "cripplied" performance for many AMD systems, by ignoring capabilities flags and instead looking for a "GenuineIntel" processor...
Yeah, that sounds like a great alternative to GCC.
See also many other links. I'll stick with GCC, thanks. At least the GCC team doesn't have a vested interest in f***ing over other hardware vendors.
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Re:Colorado has California over a barrel
And yet you have farm, home, and cottage owners living near the shore of Lake Manitoba in the province of Manitoba screaming about the lake getting too much water from the Portage Diversion due to all the recent flooding.
If all the excess flood water could be piped South to thirsty states every spring that would likely make more than just the Lake Manitoba residents happy. Heck, the capital of Winnipeg has a floodway designed to prevent the city from becoming the center of a lake (check out a satellite image south of the city 1997)
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Mostly done by 1985...
Frozen Star by George Greenstein had as a central theme that due to gravitational time dilation that we could never see a star collapse beyond its own event horizon: it would asymptotically approach it as arbitrarily close as we liked given unlimited time but never cross it. So as a natural consequence there was always a tiny but measurable probability that trapped light and thus information could escape.
Although this is a layperson's work, it is based on his published papers which provide a mathematical background.
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Re:Freedom of Expression...
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Re:interesting times...
Are you serious?
Spacial reasoning is probably the most important skill in shooting. How could you possibly think that judging distances and positions and how to align them is not paramount to shooting?
When tracking and hitting a moving target I would think that reaction time's importance would be obvious.
As to the rest: reaction time males vs female and spacial
These are both fairly well understood. I put "[Citation needed]" because the GP's statement was demonstrably false.
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Re:One non-disturbing theory
The term plastic covers many materials. The ones made from hydrocarbons - polyethylene, polypropylene etc are gradually attacked by bacteria. If they are very thin as in plastic bags they are short lived. it is a little lighter than water, so it floats and gets the cross links broken by UV light unless filled with something heacvy, clay, TiO2 etc and might sink.
These are not long lived, nor are they hard, the scraping tongues with erode them, and a few cyles = gone.If you replace one or more Hydrogen with fluorine or chlorine you get items that are not metabolized by any complex organism, however bacteris can colonize them and they remove an atom at a time, so they eventually go away.
https://www.google.ca/?gfe_rd=...These are all soft so the scraping of tiny teeth turns them into small particles and the bacteria get at them.
One big problem with small particles is their lack of nutrition, so the small animal wastes energy to gnaw it and gets nothing back. Too many small particles and they starve to death via metabolic losses. People can starve on some foods that take more energy to digest then they yield.
Recently microspheres for cosmetics have been released into the water and they get through filtration plants = starvation again for the small fly if there are too many.
The rise of biodegradable layers has helps plastic go away sooner, if we made bags from starch film, if would be eaten in weeks in the sea
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Re:You'll want either AT&T or T-Mobile.
7-11 has a "fan-constructed" website with lots of good info at http://www.speakoutwireless.ca... and their "official" one is at http://speakout7eleven.ca/
You can order a SIM online for postal delivery (maybe only to Canada?) or walk into a 7-11 and pick one up directly. I think they only do regular or mini-SIMs, so you'll need to cut it for a micro-SIM size. https://www.google.ca/search?q...
If you are on the west coast, find someone who uses Shaw for their ISP and get them to give you a Shaw login/email on their account and you'll have access to a whole wack of wifi hotspots mostly in BC and Alberta, but a few farther East. http://www.shaw.ca/wifi/hotspo...
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Anti-Competitive
Okay I'll bite. Google have set themselves up as the front door of the internet. They manage a huge chunk of email, and they index the web to provide access to the web on a search basis. Google is therefore in the business of ad sales because businesses want to be visible on the web and if the majority of people are using Google to find things and send email about things, then Google is in the perfect position to earn money while providing a valuable service.
Nothing says evil like monopoly. Google offering domain registry will lead to Google offering hosting. Now then you have the official position of Google on Net Neutrality in theory but you have an all encompassing reality where it is very easy for Google to fudge the rankings in favour of those companies who pay them money for hosting and domain registry. Those domains will get priority indexing. That's the opposite of net neutrality. There is no way to prove that Google won't give priority indexing to domains it registers.
This is what we call a conflict of interest, and that is evil unless Google is willing to become completely transparent and verifiable, which will never happen because they are a traded company.
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NADA is nothing more than Yada Yada Yada ....
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Re:how does one even contact google to be forgotte
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Re:The Science is settled!
If there was the ability to search through the text of all the slashdot comments, you would be overwhelmed with the AGW Crowd claiming, "The science is settled".
If only there was some sort of search engine that could be used... oh wait. there is! https://www.google.ca/#q=%22th... . Huh... Looks like just the deniers pushing that meme. Science can always be overturned. Most people believe in heliocentrism. It could be overturned... but probably not by these guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
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Re:Drone?
The only thing in the article about what type of RC aircraft is as follows;
The pilot reported seeing a small, remote-control aircraft very close to his plane
It was at 2,300 feet and about five miles from the airport when it encountered the remote controlled jet.
How do you get F4 Phantom from that? There are many remote controlled jets out there that are not F4 Phantoms.
not a copter type "drone" that we think of now.
That may be your definition but many people, including me, define drone as any aircraft controlled outside of line of sight. The line of site being the dividing line between RC aircraft and drone.