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Who said you got to STUDY to be a scientist?

Being a scientist means doing original scientific research i.e. something that nobody has done before, otherwise it is called history.

This seems like an absurd view of science. None of the definitions i got from google say anything about originality directly. Perhaps you would care to furnish us with the one from your dictionary just so we can have the same true understanding that you have.

In the meantime I don't think I even understand how to measure originality. How am I to know what has been known in the past? If information is lost to the scientific community (eg. the burning of the library at Alexandria) is a subsequent study of that subject not science? What if I am stranded on a desert island, and I use the scientific method to work out how to grow/prepare food and work out which plants are poisonous. It seems like something very akin to science and I wouldn't call it history. Perhaps you are thinking of the value of science. If sufficient study on a subject has already been conducted then further scientific study has no value. Many of the definitions linked refer to something like this. The difference is that science is a noun not a verb. One is not producing science if ones results are already known. the definitions speak of producing solutions to problems for example. One cannot produce solutions to problems that are already solved. The scientific method is the method by which one builds science, not all applications of the method produce science, but any application that produces useful results has produced science. Another example might be if you do some scientific study that has never been done before, but you refuse to give me your results. I might do the same research to solve my problem, which is that you wont tell me your results. I might then achieve the same results as you and therefore solve my problem. The knowledge i would gain from this fits every definition of science on that list (except the band and album titles).

Discussions of originality aside, the quotes you responded to also stand, you dont have to study to do science, even by your own definition, and there are not only uneducated people doing reasearch by the scientific method, there are even some that are thereby producing original science as aresult.

At the beginning I guess: Evidence, the links you provided have plenty, thank you for saving me answering this part.

The fact is that public transport at least, consumes more energy per mile than cars.

Actually if you read that table again, you will see that cars are the worst on the list, with the exception of light rail. I could not find the light rail figures in the data linked (no I didn't read all of it so if someone could point me to the relevant table I would appreciate it) so I can only presume the examples cited are among the worst run and designed public transport systems in the world. Apart from this the car is the worst, followed by buses.

the incredibly cheap costs of highway construction

What evidence do you have to back up this? Highways are massively expensive especially in city centres. Highways cost around $1 million per lane mile in the most simple circumstances and as commuter tansit around a large already built up city they are astronomical, not to mention the upkeep and repair costs of highway are much higher than rail. some figures if you have as much trouble accessing that link as I am at the moment you can view screenshots of it here

In addition these figures are for mass transit in the USA, an unashamed car culture. As your own link notes:

Don't Europe and Asia do better? Much better. This Australian Study cites figures saying that Western Europeans use only 76% of U.S. BTUs/pm in their private transport, and only 38% in their transit -- 2.5 times more efficient. Rich Asians do even better at transit -- they are almost 4 times as efficient in terms of energy/passenger-mile.

So it is possible to do it 4 times better than those figure that the car is already at the second to last place on.

Finally

Finally, repeat after me, there is no energy shortage. There is no energy shortage. There is no energy shortage. There is an energy collection, storage, and distribution problem.

Well I hate to break it to you, but collection, storage and distribution problems result in there being less energy available for use than we want and need, this is the definition of a shortage

Sadly Google Chrome doesn't support TLS (no friggin idea why) so server will negotitate down to the less secure SSL v2 or SSL v1 standard.

IE 8 or later, Firefox 2.0 or later. and Safari (no idea what version) all support TLS but obviously google thinks security is over-rated.

You are wrong but I can see why you would think that by looking at the Options section in chrome

Per Google employee lan Ian Ian
  We explicitly disable SSLv2 (along with MD2 and MD4 certificate signatures). SSL3/TLS1 are enabled by default. It is automatic and hidden.

From the FTA: “There is no official deal in place to make that happen, as it isn’t controlled by a ‘distributor’ as such. The only conclusion we can reach is that in the absence of a ‘proper’ distributor, they won’t list us.”

I dunno why he gave such a lame geek answer like "the sky is falling you're retarded". Should have just sent him an email with the distribution info:

http://www.google.co.nz/search?&q=filetype%3Atorrent+the+tunnel

Maybe they had to turn right?

http://books.google.co.nz/books?id=OyuGJJ6rKQ0C&pg=PA134&lpg=PA134&dq='race+drivers+have+fewer+crashes'&source=bl&ots=zqlejfpoBH&sig=QmE-KnGY69HW8nKoV4aHtOPYryo&hl=en&ei=CdyTTPr_JJL6swO81_DACg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q='race%20drivers%20have%20fewer%20crashes'&f=false

Many scientists need to realize that their goals, ideals, and ethical standards may not be universal.

Especially if the mainstream scientific ethical standard comes down to 'we don't do ethics, we just like building lots of really big bombs, but seriously that technology could be used for peaceful purposes - theoretically I guess - and it's not our concern what happens after the equations leave our desk, it's just a technically sweet problem".

We're still living in the aftershocks of the Cold War.

(Insert reference to Greg Bear's Blood Music... )

As a result of your post, I noticed that although Google gives an answer for 10! it does not for 9000! (for moderately obvious reasons). I became curious, and established that the highest number they give factorials for is 170!. I wonder what's so special about 170!?

171! would overflow a double.

I'd settle for 10! dollars.

As a result of your post, I noticed that although Google gives an answer for 10! it does not for 9000! (for moderately obvious reasons). I became curious, and established that the highest number they give factorials for is 170!. I wonder what's so special about 170!?

Actually, injucted is valid. I've heard it used more than once by law lecturers while studying commercial law, which I figure is as much validation as anything.
And if you want even further confirmation, check out Google

and support for more "oddball" configurations like multiple screens

I just recently left a job from a major corporation for a startup. Uh, Oddball is multi screens? 99% of all users in this 5k user corporation used dual screens. One of the primary reasons I couldn't get Linux onto more desktops there was THAT reason.

What are you smoking? Of course Linux supports multiple screens. A google for "linux multiple screens" returns loads of results showing you how to set that up and make it work for you.

And many other gems. Thoughts on personality type?

Arrogant prick.

He reminds me of New Zealand's own Clayton Weatherston. This arsehole murdered his ex-girlfriend and spent the whole trial bragging about how good he was at school.

"I am a neuroscientist and I can tell you for sure that the basic form of the information in a brain is not a linear bit. But it does obey the laws of physics, and everything we know points to it following pretty mundane physics."

Are you quite sure about that?

It's not widely discussed in psychology or neuroscience, but there does exist 150 years of evidence for anomalous cognition states which really blow a hole in the mind-brain relationship. Some authors are now starting to publish on this. Kelly et al's 'Irreducible Mind' came out a couple years ago and is full of footnotes:

http://www.rowmanlittlefield.com/Catalog/SingleBook.shtml?command=Search&db=^DB/CATALOG.db&eqSKUdata=0742547922

http://books.google.co.nz/books?id=2oV61CeDx-YC&dq=irreducible+mind&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=mp97So2GEo3-tQOVoszvCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6#v=onepage&q=&f=false

For a more approachable street-level introduction: the late Elizabeth Meyer's 'Extraordinary Knowing'.
http://www.amazon.com/Extraordinary-Knowing-Science-Skepticism-Inexplicable/dp/0553803352
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AClVSWvNsWw

I've had a few anomalous experiences of my own. Taken seriously, this body of material makes the 'mind == brain == machine' hypothesis very hard to stretch to explain the facts. There's certainly a loose correlation between some body/brain states and some conscious states; but there is by no means a one-to-one correlation, nor does conventional physics even begin to address the correlations seen in autogansfeld and Zener type experiments - or in remote viewing or precognitive dreams.

Light cones simply don't seem to apply - the mind is sometimes a very naughty boy and just flat-out cheats, accessing information it has no physical reason to know. Try simulating *that*.

I read online obsessively, but I also buy print books.

Increasingly, I'm finding Google Books a big temptation. Through a random search somewhere I discovered Strategic Computing, and after reading the first couple of chapters online decided heck with it and placed an order at my local bookstore for the real thing.

Without Google Books and the ability to read text I would never have done this.

One data point maybe, but for me it's pretty obvious: digitising books in the way that Google is doing doesn't replace print books, it promotes them.

Ray Bradbury's welcome to miss out on this if he wants. He's always been anti-technology, but I didn't think he was anti *reading*. Guess I was wrong.

... the iPhone's keyboard isn't perfect and even less so when the iPhone assumes you're a moron that can't type and "corrects" what you meant to type with a completely different word...

Well, maybe your phone is right about you being a moron, because you can go to Settings -> General -> Keyboard and turn off auto-correction.

Ah, so it is default now? You used to have to jailbreak it and use an app from Cydia to do it. See.

Can somebody tell me how to search for results that were indexed between a set of dates?

You're right it's not obvious, but it is there. The key is the "Show options" link near the top. The URL syntax, in case you want to customise it to a Firefox keyword or something like that, is http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=Linux+multitasking&tbo=1&tbs=tl:1,tll:2003,tlh:2005 (removing "tbo=1&" will hide the options sidebar).

We're facing an uphill battle. The evil forces of Sarkozy-Universal are occupying the territory; they will probably be stopped by the European Parliament, but there will be much blood.

Fortunately, France is the second-closest country to New Zealand -- closer than the Australian mainland, in fact -- so our peace-loving democratic ideals should spread to you folks reasonably promptly :-)

Look up what a "googol" is. In fact, Google can look it up for you.

GP misspelled it.

Environment - they may mean well, but their lack of scientific knowledge about the environment leads them to support all kinds of ideas that sound good on the surface, but would in fact be detrimental to the environment. e.g. their endorsement of biofuels.

Still gullibly eating MSM sound bites?

This tragic little Energy (Fuels, Levies, and References) Biofuel Obligation Repeal Bill, rushed through all its stages under urgency by a Minister of Energy and Resources who is ignorant of most aspects of his portfolio--apart from perhaps sexy coal--will do exactly the opposite of what the Minister says it will do. It will replace the potentially sustainable local industry--stable, secure and well known--with intermittent imports of biofuels from unknown sources, which are likely to include palm oil from South-east Asia grown where the tropical forests, the last refuge of the orang-utan, used to grow, and corn ethanol with a higher carbon footprint than petroleum, subsidised by the US Government. That is what this bill will do

Looks like she's done her homework to me.

Freedom - Uhhhhh.... do you know anything about the greens at all?

Green MP Keith Locke is calling for an inquiry into the Police Special Investigation Group following evidence it is planting paid informants in legitimate protest groups.

This morning the Sunday Star-Times carried details of activities of a Police informer who infiltrated and spied upon Greenpeace and groups active on animal rights, climate change and peace issues. The informer was operating under the instructions of the Police Special Investigation Group.

"Such Stasi tactics are unacceptable in New Zealand," said Mr Locke, the party's Police spokesperson.

"Peace and environmental protesters are the conscience of society, not enemies of the state.

I know it is very hard for you to digest more than a sound bite, but try actually read the whole of Gordon Campbell's analysis of the Zaoui case. Oh yes, Campbell is the Green's media rep. Oh yes, What is the difference between myself and Zaoui? I have a letter of recommendation from a police force that murdered thousands and Zaoui is a democratically elected representative. Guess who the Labour (and certainly the National) parties imprisoned?

NZ has one of the highest prison populations on the planet (tiny compared to Gulag America I know), but which parties want to build more prisons?

Opposing better education for a small elite, yes they oppose that bitterly.

Good. They support better education for all, personally this policy will help my kids quite a bit.

http://books.google.co.nz/books?hl=en&id=18VccTDpCB8C&dq=daniel+dawson&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=NXA5TSZEZo&sig=nr0z8m_GL9Yyn_4swmOETx7n2HY&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=6&ct=result#PPP1,M1

Tai Chi is a great thing to do in the morning - during the time that you are most likely to have a heart attack, it's good to do some gentle, all-body movement that will use your muscles as pumps[*] to give your heart a rest. The gentle, fluid movements sloosh around all that lymphatic fluid and interstitial fluid (this is mostly what is referred to as "Qi"), which otherwise have nothing moving them and stagnate, causing pain and discomfort.

I recommend the book The Tai Chi Book: Refining and Enjoying a Lifetime of Practice By Robert Chuckrow; reading from someone with a Physics PhD makes it quite palatable to your average geek. (It would be even better to have been co-authored by an MD, but still very good)

As others have pointed out, Tai Chi Chuan is not "slow kung fu"; it's more like applied biomechanics, and can be practiced at all speeds.

Best progress and effect is made not from schools which teach the whole form as quickly as possible, but those that emphasise building up each of the basic principles of Tai Chi doing very basic movements, and then "inducting" these principles into one of the many forms. So it pays to check all of the schools in your area, and look for the one which has the students which have been going for the longest, but learned a relatively small amount of the form. The ones that tend to favour spending entire classes going over minute details. Those that call themselves "Tai Chi Elements" schools are certainly a good bet.

Tai Chi Chuan is the perfect martial art for the geek - it is the one where the mind can be fully put to work towards the problem at hand. Eventually you load Tai Chi Chuan as a subroutine into your grey matter, so that you can be benefiting from it during every exercise you do. It is low-impact, a self-sufficient practice. Then you can appear to "walk" or "run" about your daily activities, but you are actually practicing Tai Chi Chuan.

And it takes a long time (say, 3 years or so - but a blink of an eye in terms of the length of your life, really) to get proficient enough in it to get like that. In the mean-time, swimming is the next best thing to Tai Chi Chuan to help the cardiovascular system. 20 minutes of this or other exercise every week is a good beginning level; increase as you feel is beneficial and enjoyable. The number one thing is not to stress - not about your training, nor stress your body unduly as you exercise.

* - I can't find a good online reference to this action, but can be found in eg. Chapter 19 figure 19.6 of _Human A&P_, Elaine Marieb, 6th ed.

Ummm, you know, Mount Olympos is a real mountain. It's right here ...

As for Circe, in Italian myth (by which I guess I mean Etruscan myth) she was thought to live on a cape on the west coast of Italy, about halfway between Rome and Naples, which is still called Monte Circeo. I think Circe may have left by now, though.

Ummm, you know, Mount Olympos is a real mountain. It's right here ...

As for Circe, in Italian myth (by which I guess I mean Etruscan myth) she was thought to live on a cape on the west coast of Italy, about halfway between Rome and Naples, which is still called Monte Circeo. I think Circe may have left by now, though.

I've since found out that there's a Classic Doom mod for Doom 3 as well -- I haven't been able to compare them though. :-)

Possibly, highschool physics has led people astray before =)
http://www.google.co.nz/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&q=%22resonant+frequency+of+water%22&meta=

http://www.physicsforums.com/archive/index.php/t-94766.html
"the microwave oven waves are 2450 MHz, and water has a dipole moment (negative on oxygen, slightly positive on hydrogen side), and when exposed to this electric field the water molecule tries to move to that field, but bumps into another water molecule, thus creating heat. This is not the resonant frequency of water, and the peak absorption of waves decreases as the temperature goes up because of the dielectric properties of water."

But on the other hand...
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2004-11/1100632107.Ph.r.html
"The natural frequency of water is a bit more complicated, because it takes into account the mass of water molecules, the attraction between molecules, the distance between molecules, and some other stuff. Suffice it to say that most microwave ovens put out a frequency of 2.5 gigahertz. ... This isn't the lowest (also known as "primary") resonant frequency for water, but microwave manufacturers use 2.5 GHz because they want the microwave to work at any and all water temperatures. There's lots more techno-babble about resonance, matching, and the engineering of microwaves, but that'll have to be a separate question."

Perhaps what you are trying to say is that it is not the fundemental frequency, but a harmonic =). Either way. 2.5GHz is still *a* resonant frequency of water?

Not in use? There are over 5,000 hits on Google for entities with .aq addresses: http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=site%3A.aq&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a

That doesn't look like "not in use" to me.

Not needs, no. But intends, absolutely yes. Try taking a look at the Google preferences page. In the panel at the top marked "Erfaceintay Anguagelay", open the drop-down menu and scroll down to I (or if you're looking at a preferences page in English, scroll down to P). See what's there?

Though you can't play Super Mario on a PlayStation, games for one platform do have counterparts on another. For example, if you like GameCube-exclusive platformers but you have a PS2, there exist substitutes: Crash, Jak, Ratchet and Clank, Sly Cooper, etc. Likewise, if you like Zelda, PS2 has two Dark Cloud games. Which genre for Windows did you find lacking on Linux?

But if you want a specific title for Xbox 360, buy an Xbox 360 console. Likewise, if you want a specific title for Windows, buy or build a Windows console. Even PCs running Windows 9x, Windows XP, and Windows Vista are almost as different as the PlayStation, PlayStation 2, and PlayStation 3 consoles.

The first reponses are classic examples from the linux fraternity... Got a problem? here's the source code. Now go away. I'll skip those.

Seamless Inteoperability Open and share documents

Please be more specific: What documents? Share in what way?

Easy... I want to read and write docx and doc file properly. For all their uglyness, they are pervasive. When I ran ubuntu on my desktop, these were the biggest pain by far.

Avialability Of Core Apps Photoshop (sorry, gimp doens't cut it yet)

Please be more specific: What does Photoshop Elements do that GIMPshop does not? Or which set of users are you thinking of who needs those features that are in Photoshop but not in Photoshop Elements?

Games

Please be more specific: Doesn't a typical distribution of GNU/Linux come with several games?

If you want to see linux make headway, dont make it the users problem. Its a BUSINESS challenge. We've got a *great* technology (Linux) - how can we see broader adoption and more revenue. What do the *users* want (hint - its not to be reading through USB driver help sites wondering why the printer doesn't work).

I want to see linux improve, I want to see linux adoption increase. For two reasons:

1. Linux will get a broader adoption driving more business, growth and better products.
2. Microsoft makes better products when they are under threat.

http://news.google.co.nz/index.html?ned=nz&ncl=111 7499403&hl=en&scoring=n"Germany faced an elevated threat of terrorism on Friday because of its involvement in Afghanistan, according to officials who say the risk of an attack here ...." so that's the excuse for this push-through tactics.

Google search for "Ken Olsen enough 512kb" doesn't turn up anything, what you are you talking about AC?

I'd rather my car just dribbled a little petrol out the side wouldnt you?

I realise that the Prius doesnt have a LiPo battery, but I dont think that future hybrids will be as tame. I have never seen a Prius on the street here in Invercargill but from what I understand they are hardly the most manly of cars. I think that hybrid makers should focus on a Jaguar E Type kind of car rather than some soccer "mom" kind of thing. We all know that Hybrids can let loose, and do so efficiently without wasting oil, without emissions etc so why not push for that? I know what I would want to drive.

Firewire is used in a modified version for the data bus of the F-22 Raptor, the most advanced fighter currently used. And we all know thats never failed.

Check the wx forecast
Google headlines plus local content
Mea culpa
One of the few remaining exponents of in-depth journalism

If slack time presents itself, I'll trawl around Gizmodo, some aggregator-type sites related to ongoing r&d, and see if there's anything cool on TradeMe.

I have been thinking more and more lately that Linux is going to really stake it in the home desktop market. Here are some reasons why:

• Ubuntu and the like are getting more and more simple to use for the average ma and pa. They are not there yet, but they are progressing in leaps and bounds.
• There has been so much negative press about Vista, some people rather than upgrade will jump ship to another OS. I am one of those.
• Cool interfaces for Linux. Sounds cheesy, but it sells OS's. Just look at XGL, it's soo purdy :).
• Dell potentially supporting Linux
• The masses of people moving away from windows games to console games

I know it has been said many times before that Gnu-Linux will take over the desktop market, but I really feel it may well happen in the masses, and maybe within 5 years.

God remember the Cuban Missile Crisis? The thing that actually caused that was America putting up their own missiles in Turkey and the soviets retaliate by putting up some in Cuba. But no, it gets told as "OMG everyone hates our American way of life, communist, WMD's, Saddam, Osama, Terrorist" why dont people take responsibility for their actions? Remember Hiroshima.

So, about 84 centimetres per litre? Geez, even a hummer gets better mileage than that..

...gives several examples on the first hit ;)

Perhaps for some people, the icon graphics and the location of items on the menus might be critically important, and I guess that's my point.

There are all sorts of reasons that people prefer Gnome over KDE, or KDE over Gnome. Some people (like me) like completely different interfaces from time to time, if only to get away from the whole panel on the bottom and menu on the left for a while. Sometimes it's a speed issue, it might be where and how much customisation they want, it could be a whole lot of things. Until you actually sit down and try to use it for something where it causes problems, it's hard to tell. If you don't notice any difference, I'd suggest just picking one or the other and going with it. The truth is, if there was a good abstract API for developers to use for writing applications to run smoothly in both, it wouldn't be an issue. I really hope that Portland and similar projects that are working on this issue will finally figure out a way to get it working.

What I really don't want, though, is for everything to be force-combined into some kind of central interface, which is exactly what happens with MS Windows. There are plenty of times I've been irritated at how Windows does things, such as the way it decides to re-focus windows when I'm typing, or the way it doesn't natively support virtual desktops, and there's nothing I can do, because Windows is the only practical choice when you have to use a Windows OS. To me, it would just be bad to reduce user choice, because it just means there's less choice, and there's one body who decides what's best for everyone... even when it's not. All the people who hate Gnome, and all the people who hate KDE, all have to put up with the little things they hate, which you probably don't even notice if they're not things that are important to you.

KDE and Gnome exist separately because people had major differences of opinion about how to do things. That's the open source way for all sorts of fundamental reasons, and I honestly can't see how they could be combined without another project springing up to do things differently yet again, whether it's about menu item placement, stripping of bloat, adding of bloat, or some kind of much deeper architectural programming issue. Personally I think it's better to just accept that there will be multiple ways of doing things, and focus more on standards and interoperability to make it easier for application developers.

Hmm, intriguing: tan(pi/2) = 1.6e16. Even my calculator has a bigger infinity than that!

Also as I understand, Land can reclaimed it the by the government if it is not used for a period of 70 years. If this were not the case the each time the true owner was permanently lost the amount of usable land would decrease. Likewise, if an artwork hasn't been worked on for 100 years then it becomes public domian, otherwise the updated version remains copywrited and only the old version becomes public domain. If you weren't allowed to copy works that were over a hundred years old without tracking down the owner these works would be lost permanently.

Also no idea exists in a vacuum. Most ideas come from other ideas, e.g. all of Shakespeare's works were based upon other peoples play's and stories. Giving ideas permanent ownership would mean that all aspects of our culture would be owned by someone and there wouldn't be a body of work that new works could draw from.

And all this prior work will conveniently disappear overnight for them.

Already exists --- we just have to ask google.

For example: "Global warming is true" --- 774 results. "Global warming is false" --- 352 results. Case closed!

(in other controversial results, evolution wins by 76,000 to 21,000 and Santa Claus is clearly real.)

Already exists --- we just have to ask google.

For example: "Global warming is true" --- 774 results. "Global warming is false" --- 352 results. Case closed!

(in other controversial results, evolution wins by 76,000 to 21,000 and Santa Claus is clearly real.)

Already exists --- we just have to ask google.

For example: "Global warming is true" --- 774 results. "Global warming is false" --- 352 results. Case closed!

(in other controversial results, evolution wins by 76,000 to 21,000 and Santa Claus is clearly real.)

Already exists --- we just have to ask google.

For example: "Global warming is true" --- 774 results. "Global warming is false" --- 352 results. Case closed!

(in other controversial results, evolution wins by 76,000 to 21,000 and Santa Claus is clearly real.)

Yeah i had a great idea a few years back (10 years now that i think about it), and i posted some details about it on rec.org.mensa and comp.ai or something, and its been deleted. theres a huge chain of about 80 replies all arguing over 1 sentence from the 6 paragraph posting, but none of the rest of the posting can be found. I'd be interested if anyone can dig it up. It was basically about how my design of a computer system could explain most things that show how we think - including animals, religion, magic, etc - I don't know how much detail I gave out about it. I've never built it - people laugh at me when I tell them about it, including my lecturers at uni etc, but it was basically about getting the machine to learn on its own terms in terms of its own inputs - observing cause/effects and learning to interact with the environment. It scaled up to quite a lot of things, but it took a massive amount of thinking, and when i finally worked it out i lost interest and never seem to have time to do it properly. http://groups.google.co.nz/group/rec.org.mensa/ind ex/browse_frm/thread/c15cffb6d00e5e76/4059d9828125 2c22?hl=en&_done=%2Fgroup%2Frec.org.mensa%2Fbrowse _frm%2Fthread%2Fc15cffb6d00e5e76%2F4059d98281252c2 2%3Ftvc%3D1%26q%3D%22we+are+animals%22+ldcr%26hl%3 Den%26&tvc=1&q=%22we+are+animals%22+ldcr&hl=en#

Mathematical proof of why PHP programmers tend to be stupid.

Such as comp.lang.c.moderated

Do the kids still know what USENET is?

(XNews is still the best newsreader BTW...)

Kleptocracy, now that is a cool word. I didn't realise there were so many nifty ones... http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=de fine%3A+cracy My favourite is now pornocracy - http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=de fine%3A+pornocracy