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Re:Please stop using the non-word "boxen".
Too late: boxen has already been published in a dictionary and referenced in other on-line dictionaries.
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Re:Make mead.Well, okay, the subject is ancient tech put into practice by modern geeks. Consider the amount of jargon in modern geekspeak. Did you really think that kind of thing was new? Hell, this is simple. Look into the jargon of 19th Century sailing if you want to see something complicated.
Good jargon (as opposed to the kind of polysyllabic blather adopted by some of the soft sciences as counterfeit jargon) is a set of shorthand phrases with specific, non-ambiguous technical meanings and as such tends to be opaque to the layman. In this particular case we're not even reaching that far: the words are simply archaic and were once in common use.
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Re:I must be new here.
Yes, boxen
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Definative definition of nerdFrom the jargon file:
nerd: n.
- [mainstream slang] Pejorative applied to anyone with an above-average IQ and few gifts at small talk and ordinary social rituals.
- [jargon] Term of praise applied (in conscious ironic reference to sense 1) to someone who knows what's really important and interesting and doesn't care to be distracted by trivial chatter and silly status games. Compare geek.
The word itself appears to derive from the lines "And then, just to show them, I'll sail to Ka-Troo / And Bring Back an It-Kutch, a Preep and a Proo, / A Nerkle, a Nerd, and a Seersucker, too!" in the Dr. Seuss book If I Ran the Zoo (1950). (The spellings 'nurd' and 'gnurd' also used to be current at MIT, where 'nurd' is reported from as far back as 1957; however, knurd appears to have a separate etymology.) How it developed its mainstream meaning is unclear, but sense 1 seems to have entered mass culture in the early 1970s (there are reports that in the mid-1960s it meant roughly "annoying misfit" without the connotation of intelligence.
Hackers developed sense 2 in self-defense perhaps ten years later, and some actually wear "Nerd Pride" buttons, only half as a joke. At MIT one can find not only buttons but (what else?) pocket protectors bearing the slogan and the MIT seal.
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Re:Look at this!i laughed my ass off when i read (Godwin's Law) i havent heard of the law before.
Then you're really missing out.
For further reading may I suggest:
Note: "http://" is pronounced "Hut-up". Glad To Be Of Assistance!
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Re:How do you pronounce this?Oh well. ASCII renderings of phonetics are difficult to read for non-native speakers of English. Just look at the Merriam Webster or the Jargon file.
However, the sort of phonetic bridges like the one I gave should be much less ambiguous; e.g. most dictionary phonetic tables use sample words. Techniques like consonants modification are used routinely in teaching foreign languages.
I for one prefer the internal phonetic alphabet, as used by the OED.
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Re:Honestly, who cares?
Hackers do. What could be possibly more exciting than hacking yourself - gaining insight of your own psyche, find ways how your thoughts run, find patterns how you are similar to other hackers... A good piece of that job was done by makers of The Hacker Jargon Dictionary and this is just another detail noticed by another hacker...
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LART
According to ESR's Jargon File, a LART (Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool) is a large, blunt object used to smack some sense into people who do offensive (or offensively stupid) things. Could be just the thing here...
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"squeeze" a hard drive?
The only sure way to erase a hard drive is to "squeeze" it: writing over the old information with new data -- all zeros, for instance -- at least once, but preferably several times.
I must say, this is the first time I've ever heard zeroing a hard drive as "squeezing" it. Sounds more like compressing the data on the hard drive to allow more to be stored in a riskier way. Where in the world did this term originate, or did this Justin Pope just make it up? I can't even find an entry for it in the Jargon File (I've found nothing between square tape and squirrelcide.) -
"squeeze" a hard drive?
The only sure way to erase a hard drive is to "squeeze" it: writing over the old information with new data -- all zeros, for instance -- at least once, but preferably several times.
I must say, this is the first time I've ever heard zeroing a hard drive as "squeezing" it. Sounds more like compressing the data on the hard drive to allow more to be stored in a riskier way. Where in the world did this term originate, or did this Justin Pope just make it up? I can't even find an entry for it in the Jargon File (I've found nothing between square tape and squirrelcide.) -
"squeeze" a hard drive?
The only sure way to erase a hard drive is to "squeeze" it: writing over the old information with new data -- all zeros, for instance -- at least once, but preferably several times.
I must say, this is the first time I've ever heard zeroing a hard drive as "squeezing" it. Sounds more like compressing the data on the hard drive to allow more to be stored in a riskier way. Where in the world did this term originate, or did this Justin Pope just make it up? I can't even find an entry for it in the Jargon File (I've found nothing between square tape and squirrelcide.) -
Re:DON'T DO IT!I for one am more partial to content over form. The application according to the article here on
/. is about policy on Rx drugs, among other things. Why do you need a high-falootin' flash POS to do a policy explanation?!For a really good model, you can follow the same model as ESR's Jargon File website.
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Tiger Teams
If the Jargon File is anything to go by, this isn't exactly something IBM has only started doing recently.
The entry on Tiger Teams provides the definition; the entry on patches gives the example story:
There is a classic story of a tiger team penetrating a secure military computer that illustrates the danger inherent in binary patches (or, indeed, any patches that you can't -- or don't -- inspect and examine before installing). They couldn't find any trap doors or any way to penetrate security of IBM's OS, so they made a site visit to an IBM office (remember, these were official military types who were purportedly on official business), swiped some IBM stationery, and created a fake patch. The patch was actually the trapdoor they needed. The patch was distributed at about the right time for an IBM patch, had official stationery and all accompanying documentation, and was dutifully installed. The installation manager very shortly thereafter learned something about proper procedures.
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Trolls (was Re:Nitpickety)
The usual meaning is the one to do with inflammatory posting, as given above. (See the entry on troll in the Jargon File.) Unfortunately, it seems that a lot of people on Slashdot have heard the term, but not understood it, and use it themselves as a fairly meaningless insult for people whose opinions they disagree with.
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Re:Backdoor challenge for you hackers...
lets take a look at how many 1k bytes of code could be inserted throughout the SE Linux OS to
It seems to me that this would be double-damned hard in an open source system.
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How would all you clever hackers out there hide a function in an open source system in a way that it can escape detection even if all the source is read?Ken Thompson's discussion of how he did this is available at http://www.acm.org/classics/sep95/. To summarize, I've blindly copied from Ignatius' post in an earlier Slashdot discussion below:
Check out the " back door" entry of the Jargon File to learn about one of the IMHO most creative hacks of all time:
[...] Ken Thompson's 1983 Turing Award lecture to the ACM admitted the existence of a back door in early Unix versions that may have qualified as the most fiendishly clever security hack of all time. In this scheme, the C compiler contained code that would recognize when the `login' command was being recompiled and insert some code recognizing a password chosen by Thompson, giving him entry to the system whether or not an account had been created for him.
Normally such a back door could be removed by removing it from the source code for the compiler and recompiling the compiler. But to recompile the compiler, you have to use the compiler -- so Thompson also arranged that the compiler would recognize when it was compiling a version of itself, and insert into the recompiled compiler the code to insert into the recompiled `login' the code to allow Thompson entry -- and, of course, the code to recognize itself and do the whole thing again the next time around! And having done this once, he was then able to recompile the compiler from the original sources; the hack perpetuated itself invisibly, leaving the back door in place and active but with no trace in the sources. [...]A detailed description of the hack by Ken Thompson himself can be found here.
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Re:Backdoor challenge for you hackers...
lets take a look at how many 1k bytes of code could be inserted throughout the SE Linux OS to
It seems to me that this would be double-damned hard in an open source system.
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How would all you clever hackers out there hide a function in an open source system in a way that it can escape detection even if all the source is read?Ken Thompson's discussion of how he did this is available at http://www.acm.org/classics/sep95/. To summarize, I've blindly copied from Ignatius' post in an earlier Slashdot discussion below:
Check out the " back door" entry of the Jargon File to learn about one of the IMHO most creative hacks of all time:
[...] Ken Thompson's 1983 Turing Award lecture to the ACM admitted the existence of a back door in early Unix versions that may have qualified as the most fiendishly clever security hack of all time. In this scheme, the C compiler contained code that would recognize when the `login' command was being recompiled and insert some code recognizing a password chosen by Thompson, giving him entry to the system whether or not an account had been created for him.
Normally such a back door could be removed by removing it from the source code for the compiler and recompiling the compiler. But to recompile the compiler, you have to use the compiler -- so Thompson also arranged that the compiler would recognize when it was compiling a version of itself, and insert into the recompiled compiler the code to insert into the recompiled `login' the code to allow Thompson entry -- and, of course, the code to recognize itself and do the whole thing again the next time around! And having done this once, he was then able to recompile the compiler from the original sources; the hack perpetuated itself invisibly, leaving the back door in place and active but with no trace in the sources. [...]A detailed description of the hack by Ken Thompson himself can be found here.
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Re:How I *HATED* those things... (Warning: RANT)
Dissention from the collective childhood warm-fuzzy remeniscence earns a "Troll" rating?
I think partly the trouble is some people, including moderators, don't know what "troll means". I can't find it defined anywhere on in the Slashdot faq, though it does appear in the faq for kuro5hin.
The Jargon File defines "troll" as "to utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself." A key part of this definition is that the poster pretends to be serious about a subject but in fact is trying to attract flames.
From references in comments, I'd guess that many people on Slashdot understand something else by the term, though I'm not sure what. The fact that Slashdot's faq describes anti-troll filters (when from the description they seem to be describing anti-spam filters) seems to imply that the confusion is occasionally present even in the minds of the administrators.
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neatThis is cool. I like the fact that the company mostly fought back in a technical way, rather than through the courts.
As to whether or not what they were doing should be called and what term best describes them, careful consultation of The Jargon File seems to indicate that they were, in fact, cracking the system, not hacking it. At the same time, however, it's clear that they (mostly at least) weren't script kiddies or warez d00dz. Perhaps more terminology is in order. Maybe hacker-cracker? (Just kidding)
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Re:Is this good for Linux's rep?Ignore HP -- for the most part, he's just a troll (in the classic sense). Check The Jargon File if you need the real definition.
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Re:Credit card technique & what to call keyboard c
The Jargon File called it "keyboard dandruff"... apparently that entry was lost somewhere in the 4.x Jargon series...
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Re:How many wrong facts....
For that matter, this is the first time I've ever heard it claimed that Unix was Unics, which stood for UNiplexed Information and Computing System. I'm wondering where he dug that tidbit up and if there is any truth to it.
AFAIK, not really, but it isn't all that much of a stretch for a Mac advocate. See the entries for multics and unix in the Jargon File:
Multics: MULTiplexed Information and Computing Service
Unix: In the authors' words, "A weak pun on Multics"; very early on it was `UNICS'
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Re:confusing esr and rmsCollege students, by the way, usually fall somewhere in between the "independently wealthy" and "working some other job" categories that Meyer proposes, and he seems to think a university falls squarely into the category of a private company that owns the work of its employees, rather than being the confusing hybrid of private company, public institution, student guild for hiring teachers, research lab space rented to professional researchers, monastery, and hiring shop for summer consultants that has evolved from the early medieval university model, Humboldt research-oriented model, teacher training college, post-WWII military-industrial-complex fund sink, and draft-dodger-destination (actually I was a bit after that) that the modern university is in between.
If Meyer thinks watching Stallman and a software developer at dinner is contentious, he should have been there when a friend of mine maneuvered RMS into a discussion on software patents with a patent attorney :-) While RMS dislikes software patents intensely (and I generally agree with him on the topic), he did agree that if software patents were for short periods of time, say 5 years or less, rather than the current near-infinity-in-Internet-years, he could live with them, because programmers could still do their work without too much interference.
And just because many of us in the community respect things RMS has done and many of the positions he's taken, that doesn't mean there's either anything resembling universal worship or liking his Whiny Righteous Anger Mode - there are times you put up with it because he has earned lots of Extra Slack points.
If Meyer wants to attack the free software movement by ad hominem attacks against its major players, we really do need to call on the Object Oriented Programming community to reject this person who not only believes that governments should radically outgun their subjects (in spite of the obvious contradiction between this and the last few millenia of experience watching armed governments make wars and oppress their citizens), but who clearly states that they should use the powers they've acquired to help control who has access to what software. (Needless to say, this paragraph is intended as a flame :-).
I've met ESR once or twice, back when I lived on the East Coast, before the Linux revolution happened. He had started doing the printed revised jargon dictionary, and was sharing booth space at the Tre nton Computer Fair with Nancy Lebovitz, the Calligraphic Button maker. Nice guy, and since nobody'd acquired the collection of used 9-track tapes he'd brought (in addition to the book), he decided to be non-attached to property and we frisbeed them into the dumpster.
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Re:Cracking doesn't. Hacking can.Outside a tiny (relatively speaking) demimonde, www.jargon.org has no real authority. Referring to it will be as effective as referring to the Book of the Subgenius.
The 3D imagery I was referring to in the Hollywood hacker stereotype is the swooping-through-the-network shots, the flashing "Access Denied" signs that spin in space, the crumbling walls that represent a bypassed security measure, etc.
Frankly, I think your term for 'hacking' as a verb is pretty general. I mean, I know what you mean (and that is the heart of the debate,) but such usages to me indicate a sort of "Me-too"-ism, sort of like sticking the word "engineer" at the end of a job title, because programming for some perverse reason enjoys a status in some communities that other forms of demanding technical work don't. "Hacking" can be as general as 'working really hard at something' or 'doing something cleverly.' I know I swore off from the philosophy of language, but I think of Wittgenstein's 'family resemblences' when talking about words and meanings: how the word game, for example, has a meaning whcih can't be bound by necessary and sufficient conditions, and includes things which merely resemble each other in some ways. If you think of 'meaning' as 'the ability for input to activate a term-node in a neural network,' then those sort of phenomenon makes more sense.
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Re:PK vs. SEA controversyO.K., here is the story as I remember it.
Phil wrote a better compression program that was compatible with System Enhancements Associates (SEA) program called ARC. So they litigated. And so Phil went off and found a better algorithem for compression, and brought out PKZIP.Many people in the BBS community thought that SEA was a little heavyhanded (Perception, I don't know the reality), and moved to PKZIP. Others moved over for the speed and the better compression. The rest is history.
See also "arc wars"MIT Jargon File ver 299. This story seems to have been dropped from the current Jargon File for some reason.
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Farrell McGovern
Former Sysop, Data/SFnet (One of the first few hundred Fidonet BBSs!) and Solsbury Hill, founding member of PODSnet. -
Re:Consistency of the UILinux is not, and will never be, shareware.
You're completely wrong, of course. Like all other GPL'd software, Linux fully satisfies the ShareWare Foundation's "ShareWare Definition[SM]. It's a bit inexact, but not a falsehood, to refer to Linux as Shareware. Check the Jargon File if you don't believe me.
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Re:Forte is really good...
"Boxen". Plural of box (computer). Sort of like Vaxen (multiple VAX machines) or oxen. See the Jargon File.
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Re:yah, but who's heard of em before?Actually, that's a rather widely accepted abbreviation in the Linux/Open Source community. It's even in the Jargon File.
And who says hating Microsoft makes you ignorant? Most if not all Linux users started out on Dos/Windows. If it was adequate for them, why would they switch? We've all found one reason or another to dislike Windows, and after being a Linux user for some time, you grow to resent Windows being pushed on everyone like that. I think that's where a lot of the animosity towards MS comes from.
Here's my DeCSS mirror. Where's yours?
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Software or hardware?The assumption here is that the difference is in Linux math versus Solaris math. Considering that floating-point math is often (usually?) done in hardware, I wonder if the question is more Intel math versus Sparc math.
My suggestion is possible, but likely a bit of work. Try installing Solaris/x86 on your Linux box, or Linux/Sparc on your Solaris machine. See how the math goes there.
For more documentation, see "Cray instability" in the Jargon File.
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My mirror @homeI have a mirror of the above-mentioned file (specifically the one from http://www.snafu.priv.at/jargon/jargon. html). Again, it's not "official", but if you want to take a look at it while jargon.org is tanked, go ahead.
http://members.home.com/pnevares/jargo n.html
(for the record, it does show version 4.2.0)
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That poor serverI was going to ask why ESR moved it to jargon.org, but after going there the reason is obvious. The jargon.org server is suffering from a moderate case of the Slashdot Effect:
1. Also spelled "/. effect"; what is said to have happened when a website being virtually unreachable because too many people are hitting it after the site was mentioned in an interesting article on the popular Slashdot news service. The term is quite widely used by
/. readers, including variants like "That site has been slashdotted again!" 2. In a perhaps inevitable generation, the term is being used to describe any similar effect from being listed on a popular site.
So I went looking for mirrors. None of these are official. They are just what a search on Google turned up:
I found quite a few more, but all of them on older versions. I certainly don't want to kill either of these two sites, so please folks, if you are mirroring The Jargon File, update your mirrors and post the links. -
Re:It's all about bandwidth.
How would the server verify this? Rather than presenting links to the actual sites, would it present a list of CGI's that a browser could then click, causing the server to verify the page prior to passing it back to the client? That would be a major CPU killer.
It's not that far from what DirectHit does. DirectHit rates all their links on the number of times that the hits are accessed.Do a search for something on DirectHit and you'll see the little people icons. The more people icons, the more popular the page is.
The extension to this is that if you find one link that's bad, they should check all the other URLs for that site. There are a ton of bad links to old pages at jargon.org, for instance.
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Is make too difficult?
make has been used to manage dependencies between project components for almost a quarter of a century. While it was a major advance over the hand-written shell scripts that preceded it, make's semi-declarative syntax is clumsy, and even short make scripts can be very difficult to debug. In addition, its functionality is not accessible from other programs without heroic effort, and it provides little support for common operations such as recursion.
How can one expect to actually call himself a developer if he can't even manage to understand Makefiles? IMHO the standard make does wonderfully what it was designed for, and the GNU make is half-way to creeping featurism. The consistency and interoperability of each of the system utilities adds elegance to Unix, and learning how to use them helps to keep the brain working!
:) Stupidifying it is a mistake.This isn't elitism, but I believe that replacing make(1) to make it more accessible to dumb people doesn't make sense, except if you dumbify the programming languages as well.
(I actually like autoconf, and I have been using it in some of my projects, but the Makefiles generated by automake are just too bloated. I use my own nice very nice recursive Makefiles to build and package the system, and it works quite well!)
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RMS in Playboy
This is exactly what I was thinking.
If Verne "Mini-Me" Troyer can make it into a many-page pictoral for Christmas as "Mini-Hef" ...
...why can't we have "St IGNUcius' Happy Happy hacking run"?
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LART (was Re: You have it the wrong way around.)
Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool, something large, heavy, and painful. As a verb, it can be read as "grievously wound."
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Most intelligent hack of all timeCheck out the "back door" entry of the Jargon File to learn about one of the IMHO most creative hacks of all time:
[...] Ken Thompson's 1983 Turing Award lecture to the ACM admitted the existence of a back door in early Unix versions that may have qualified as the most fiendishly clever security hack of all time. In this scheme, the C compiler contained code that would recognize when the `login' command was being recompiled and insert some code recognizing a password chosen by Thompson, giving him entry to the system whether or not an account had been created for him.
Normally such a back door could be removed by removing it from the source code for the compiler and recompiling the compiler. But to recompile the compiler, you have to use the compiler -- so Thompson also arranged that the compiler would recognize when it was compiling a version of itself, and insert into the recompiled compiler the code to insert into the recompiled `login' the code to allow Thompson entry -- and, of course, the code to recognize itself and do the whole thing again the next time around! And having done this once, he was then able to recompile the compiler from the original sources; the hack perpetuated itself invisibly, leaving the back door in place and active but with no trace in the sources. [...]A detailed description of the hack by Ken Thompson himself can be found here.
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Most intelligent hack of all timeCheck out the "back door" entry of the Jargon File to learn about one of the IMHO most creative hacks of all time:
[...] Ken Thompson's 1983 Turing Award lecture to the ACM admitted the existence of a back door in early Unix versions that may have qualified as the most fiendishly clever security hack of all time. In this scheme, the C compiler contained code that would recognize when the `login' command was being recompiled and insert some code recognizing a password chosen by Thompson, giving him entry to the system whether or not an account had been created for him.
Normally such a back door could be removed by removing it from the source code for the compiler and recompiling the compiler. But to recompile the compiler, you have to use the compiler -- so Thompson also arranged that the compiler would recognize when it was compiling a version of itself, and insert into the recompiled compiler the code to insert into the recompiled `login' the code to allow Thompson entry -- and, of course, the code to recognize itself and do the whole thing again the next time around! And having done this once, he was then able to recompile the compiler from the original sources; the hack perpetuated itself invisibly, leaving the back door in place and active but with no trace in the sources. [...]A detailed description of the hack by Ken Thompson himself can be found here.
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CoreWars & Cultural References...
What a fabulous idea!
Reminds me of such things as the game Core Wars, and the movies
Tron and The Matrix (bots can kill rogue processes too...)
...I'm also reminded of the scene in National Lampoon's Vacation where the kids make Pacman eat the data off Chevy Chase's CoCo screen... That always annoyed me as another crummy example of computers in the movies - now it seems that life is imitating art ;>
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Who it is...
According to the Jargon File, Death Star is a nickname for the logo of a certain telecommunications company..
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Who it is...
According to the Jargon File, Death Star is a nickname for the logo of a certain telecommunications company..